Paizo Games General /pgg/

>>54492226
Fuck off, SwimmingEagle!

File: 1500857109332.png (241KB, 1271x887px) Image search: [Google]

241KB, 1271x887px

What would you do if you were a player here?

>>54492286

how do you figure?

>>54492337
Sizeplay is a well known fetish of the wetbirb.

>>54492363

Okay, but i thought Riverhawk's primary kink was absurdly large boobs/ass/fat, and not size difference.

>>54492393
Nope, later stage Onryou was supposed to be an exercise in his expansion fetish.

File: image.jpg (141KB, 900x1273px) Image search: [Google]

141KB, 900x1273px

How do I include a Nosferatu as a BBEG in my campaign? What do I do with him? How do I introduce him?

I'm bad at doing vampires but I really want to use one

>>54492226
The other, currently active thread:
>>54492191

>>54493308

thank you sir!

I'm playing a half orc barbarian with 7 in each mental stat. He is a chaotic evil rapist who worships rovagug. He shits on the floor and rubs it on himself as well as drinks his own piss and washes his dreads with piss. He is a cannibal as well as completely murderous. He peeps his dick cheese off and eats it. He doesn't care about his behavior in public and will murder and rape anyone he wants. His name is Gore Skullfucker.

>>54494205

are you having fun?

Anyone got that half dragon race that was in Dragon game?

How do I roleplay a lawful character who nevertheless comes from a culture that encourages bold, boastful and even chaotic behaviour?

>>54495153
Back up boasts and claims with hard factual evidence. Only make claims and boasts about things you have actually achieved, preferably with witnesses. Do amazing things and allow others to make the claims on your behalf.

>>54492317
Since clearly everyone's cool with it and enjoying themselves?
Share the cool fanart another player in the game made, and ignore the immature pissant trying to score 2huhate points on /pgg/

>>54493250
Bump

File: 61653319_p0_master1200.jpg (1MB, 1200x849px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1200x849px

When will someone start an orphanage game for bamboozled/rejected apps?

Is cancer positive or negative energy?

>>54498585
Positive. It's unregulated cell reproduction

Real answer: It's neither. Positive and negative energy don't exist

Starfinder is Pathfinder 2.0

>>54498528
How would that go?

"You all wake up in what looks like a dumpster, garbage as far as the eye can see. There is smoke ahead AND you notice that all the Kitsune have had their illusions fail. GO!"

File: 1500494783813.png (1MB, 861x1000px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 861x1000px

>>54498807
>kitsune
>using illusions

I wish there was a Bard archetype like Archaeologist that didn't trade away versatile performance. I wish I liked the vanilla Bard. I wish there was like, a fighter or rogue with versatile performance. I wish vmc let you choose to skip parts you didn't want.

File: IMG_3828.jpg (62KB, 650x880px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 650x880px

>>54498528
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxoEpVDGvPE

>>54498697
I think Owen Stephens, the Main Starfinder dev, is also publishing a 3PP book that carries over the classes, races, and SPELLS from Pathfinder, so you are right.

I'm willing to tolerate the races, but why the classes? You just had your chance to fix Starfinder, but it isn't even out and they're already blowing it?

Are people who will cry because it doesn't say Barbarian or Paladin on their sheet?

>>54498900
>Are people who will cry because it doesn't say Barbarian or Paladin on their sheet?
We've had this same conversation when Tome of Battle was a thing.

And again when the Advanced Class Guide came out.

File: IMG_0162.png (142KB, 300x185px) Image search: [Google]

142KB, 300x185px

>>54498817
>"You see them in their original form, noting that the plump breasts they possessed were just training bras filled with bags of sand."
>"However, with the weight removed, they now show considerable skill with hand crossbows."

>>54498844
>vmc
>trade away
but then we'd be getting people actually taking stuff like wizard or witch vmc, anon. next you will be asking for hybrid vmc's, or even an oracle vmc that doesn't suck absolute ass!
next you will

>>54499009
Wizard is one of the best VMC's in the game, m8.
As long as you pick diviner, that is.

>>54499009
>an oracle VMC that doesn't suck ass

I WOULD FUCKING GIVE A LEG TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE CHA TO AC REVELATIONS OVER VMC, BECAUSE GOD KNOWS THAT'S THE ONLY THING IT'D BE GOOD FOR

There are good vmcs, they're just hard to justify sometimes. The bad ones are fucking trash, though.

>>54498923
I really should make that guide when I come back and add all that to the BAN list. Imagine how many poor GMs are going to be tricked into allowing it.

Only thing is that the enemies will have way better weapons too. Fly isn't so useful when everyone has access to Jetpacks, all the Tuckers Kobolds have been upgraded to actual Vietcong with knockoff (which country in Golarion is closest to Soviet Union?) AKs and Gnolls have Rocket Lawnchers

>>54499007
What did he mean by this?

>>54492226
Half-Giant of max size under permanent Enlarge puts him at 16 feet. With an Effortless Lace on his Gargantuan Impact axe, he wields the biggest weapon most have ever seen.

By the way. Pirate drill anon here.
Tharkanos if that was you calling me out in the last thread, we've got a game starting up in a few days that might be up your street.
Drop us a line.

>Character names his sword black scimitar
Oh fuck n...
>Sword is a black scimitar
...ah, ok

>>54499302
Did you ever get mind controlled by 2hu like in >>54492317?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/81935/essentia-our-last-days (Ends in 3 days)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/82673/iron-gods (Ends in 1 week) (high chance of bamboozle)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83254/carnal-crown (Ends in 1 week)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83277/the-fiends-and-intrigues-of-house-karvane (Ends in 3 weeks)

File: maxresdefault.jpg (150KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 1280x720px

>>54499529
Nah, I was playing a bad ass pirate turned paladin.
With a giant manta as his mount.
Shit was totes awesome.

>>54499637
No, you were playing a merpirate.

Do EU people play pfg games?

>>54499710
Yes. I'm Euro and I'm currently in Chalice.

>>54499710
They try to, but a lot of /pgg/ stuff happens during American hours.

All those wars in Europe have them divided by national, ethnic, and which bonus feats to give out lines. Especially those Britainers, wanting to switch to some Wulin system

>>54499741
Damn teabongs and their Wulin.

>>54499710
>>54499788
Kek, disregard, I'm an idiot.

>>54499705
If I remember I was playing both.
He was a pirate that'd been redeemed and become a Paladin.
Or Warlord. One or the two. It was like, 2 years ago, fucked if I can remember.

Either way, for fuck sake Thark is that you?

>mfw our campaign is coming to its climax and our party just hit lvl 16
This is the first time I have had character survive from lvl 1 to lvl 16

Iblydos campaign WHEN???

>>54499917
Feels pretty good, don't it?

>>54499955
I feel insecure because I have no experience of building high level characters

>>54499978
That shouldn't be an issue since there are differences between building a level 16 character and building a level 1 character who gets to level 16.

>>54493250
Pls

>>54498116
>>54500026
But I did... Somewhere. I knew I hit that Post button, I had it all written up for you!

Point is, the Nosferatu is what happens when a Vampire gets so old and powerful they go feral. The Nosferatu lacks the charm, nobility and grace of a Bram Stoker vampire, they're hideous murderers that terrorize the villages and towns of the darker places in this world.

Do not treat the Nosferatu as a rumor-shadowed nobleman or a mysterious serial killer. The Nosferatu is a monster of the old world, and should be portrayed how you would portray a rampaging dragon.

What are the best wayfinder+ioun stone cheap combos?

>>54500310

Is there anyway to extend the range of an Aegis's ranged attack customization?

I have no fucking idea why people make "ranged" options in the average person's fucking MOVE range.

Are there any fun ways to combine Perform(Act) and Bluff? Was thinking of doing Sherlock like shenanigans. Disguising myself as various roles to sneak my way past people or into buildings.

File: Knight.Of.The.Harp.Tristan.full.1165843.jpg (444KB, 1024x733px) Image search: [Google]

444KB, 1024x733px

I'm going to be taking on the role of support for a bunch of newish players. I know enough about Dnd and PF classes to know that Cleric and Bard make good buffing choices but is there any better options in the system?


I'd prefer to have some melee options since we're playing at Level 1 and I don't want to sit out of the fights once my spells are burnt.

Back linking >>54498707

>>54500514

Well, Skald is more of a frontline support than a Bard. You might like that-though if your group is largely casters, your Raging Song won't be as useful to them.

File: Cleric of 4chan.jpg (264KB, 727x1000px) Image search: [Google]

264KB, 727x1000px

>>54500514
Find the Cleric Optimization Guide, and look for the Melee Cleric.

File: 1461497704491.jpg (53KB, 599x800px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 599x800px

>>54500741
Thanks oni-senpai~

>>54499930
Never. Fuck off with that meme.

>>54500741
>>54500768
ignore this man. dualcursed or spiritguide oracle are the only valid options for divine supports!

>>54500805
Fuck off Karvane.

>>54500108
I missed that post, thank you very much for your feedback

File: PoW_Mystic_(Fayelin).png (628KB, 980x989px) Image search: [Google]

628KB, 980x989px

>>54500768
It's also really old.

Is 3pp available in your game?

>>54500868
All material except Gun based classes and non core races

>>54500868
Why is she holding that sword backwards?

>>54500894
She thinks it's a falx.
Shh, nobody tell her.

Tell me about the characters you've made, or wish to make, for a Reign of Winter campaign!

>>54500894
because DSP cannot into good artists

see: Bloodforge

>>54500923

For a Reign of Winter campaign?

A pyrokineticist

>captcha
>stop bardsley

No, the bards will be slain

>>54500923
If I could play through RoW instead of running it? Barbarian. Smash witches erryday, become so angry you fly and cut through magic.

>>54500923
A poacher laying low in Helgren after killing the king's deer. He's an utter bastard and surprisingly clever asshole, but suffers from the minor issue of being a complete and utter coward.

>>54500894
Hiten Mitsurugi

>>54500332
It has a range increment, not a range, so you can shoot it further for a penalty, and shooting to your 2nd range increment isn't that bad.

>>54500923
Bodyguard for a cute Witch. I even have numerous different builds in case I ever get the chance to do so.

>>54501110
Is it an Ulfen guard?

>>54499539
What are we now all going to do now that Iron Gods is dead?
Which game accepts refugees of the bamboozling?

>>54501110
So it would be a dual app? Why does this witch need guarding?

>>54501148
Intrigue GM is actually active in the thread, so that game seems still alive. Essentia's ending apps soon, you can probably PM the GM to see if they're still active. Neither seems to have the same tone as IG, though.

Or did you just want to call IG a bamboozle to push that idea? It's not like any of these games are new.

>>54501161
Ulfen, yeah. Basically, it's the whole "Big martial being a bodyguard for a caster" trope that's as old as time. Best case scenario it's a duo app, otherwise, I'd just be bodyguarding an NPC.

>>54501221
Just to push it. That guy has a very distinct posting style, and is constantly stirring shit for the hell of it. I wish we could find out who he was, so we could ban or kill him.

>>54501128
Shouldn't an Ulfen Guard be the protector of a Taldan noblewoman, not a Witch?

>>54501341
Who'said to say a Taldan noblewoman also can't be a witch? Though at this rate, any caster would do.

>>54501277
Isn't he SSD@K?

>>54501221
calling me alive it pushing it, but i am indeed ITT

and apps are most welcome! but i dont really know shit about robot gods other than memes, so yeah, swing and hope for the best?

>>54501388
i am fairly certain i am not the IG GM desu

>>54501482
How exactly is Intrigue going to go? What kind of intrigue is it?

>>54501482
I misread the post and thought he was talking about Intrigue GM

>>54501517
THIS
H
I
S

Is it going to be thuggery to get dirt? Political maneuvering? Seduction?

>>54501380
>>54501341
Maybe she's a Witch (Seducer) who was sent away because her sleeping around was giving the family a bad reputation.

Maybe the Ulfen Guard is a eunuch and thus incapable of satisfying her urges the way she wants him to.

>>54501517
that depends. for one the various Stages have varying tone, and depending on how things turn out there may or may not be chaotic deviations from those due to player shenanigans.

at its heart the campaign isnt that complicated. Garavon is not the nicest tiefling around and he has a bit too much power than the House can appreciate. The problem is when so many parties has interests to guard when that conflict kicks off...well, think 1914. Things ate loaded and very much ready to blow up big at a moments notice.

>>54501602
>not breaking the witch before she breaks you

>>54501602
Once. Fucking ONCE. I want to see /pfg/ make a character concept they don't want to fuck or want to see fuck something.

>>54501542
depends on your preferred methods and allies! there are certainly a large variety of means available to you. all the ones you mentioned are fair game for the majority of the campaign's intrigue.

ofc not EVERYTHING is gonna be intrigue either. sometimes the offer of help is just that, nothing else. but this is not Cairhien and theres no easy way to tell who plays the Great Game and who doesnt... :^)

>>54501661
We had a few /pfg/-created characters. I seem to recall one that was a Tiefling and the 5th brother in the family or something?
The bigger problem is that everything is someone's fetish.

>>54501602
>Seducer witch memes
Well, there goes my interest.

>>54501707
>>54501661
But the Seducer archetype is literally built around sex and seduction! Why is that not good but Le Companion to Le Lonely good?

>>54501661
Pyrokineticist kinetic knight. Essentially: become Joshua Graham. That's a character I would play.

>>54501707
the sad part is i really like sedwitch because im a chafag4lyfe and i like witches
thus EE and whatnot
its a good archetype but the memes ate stale af

>>54501731
You labor under the false assumption that I'm a fan of either. Both are used as a basis for fuckmeat characters, and I am not a fan of fuckmeat characters.

>>54501781
This.

At least companion to the lonely can be kinda excused as just having some platonic 1 on 1 time playing cards or chatting.

File: 1500339119645.jpg (353KB, 1280x1029px) Image search: [Google]

353KB, 1280x1029px

How do you build a setting? I want to run some 5-7 session adventures, loosely linked, but I don't want to use Golarion.

>>54501542
that said the political angle is the one least considered so far. Karvanes are a big player internationally and in trade, but domestically they are mid tier at best. yes there might be ways to get the Thrunes attention onto garavon, but that will likely bring a lot of trouble for everyone involved - the hendersomething crisis hasnt happened yet in this timeline, and if similar things come to light about the Karvanes and reach Abby's ears...you do not want to be near THAT going off.

>>54501857
What vidya do you like?

How fantasy/anime you want?

What's the salary of a group of mercenaries/adventurers?

>>54501857
>How do you build a setting?

Start with a feeling and a vague sense of overall tone, then start on a single town in a single kingdom.

>>54501857

Geography determines the behaivours and politics of countries.

>>54501857

Get rid of spells that break the setting.

Have any of the cuteplayers/cuteposters considered just playing Golden Sky Stories instead of pathfinder?

It's weeb
It involves cute children
It it involves shape-shifting animals

>>54501957
Or fucking Ryutama.

File: waterfall city 2.jpg (294KB, 1361x657px) Image search: [Google]

294KB, 1361x657px

>>54501857

Steal. Steal like Lupin III at Big Dave's Fine Art and Precious Jewels Showcase and Emporium.

Like a thing from a book? It's in. Maybe change the names. One part of a setting is cool, other parts are lame? Butcher and flay, harvest what is good and cast aside what is ill. A van drove by with a painting on the side of a totally sick wizard riding a lightning dragon? That happened.

Now you've got some parts, and you can think about how they fit together. What would the consequences be of having a Mordor-type evil empire bordering a bunch of Lies of Locke Lamora-type amoral city states, willing to trade but difficult to conquer? The lightning dragon wizard, is the champion, or ruler, of a city-state?

Think about it when you're driving, or taking a shower. Eventually you'll have a cool setting that fits together and suits your tastes.

>>54502030
>steal
we call that 'get inspired', anon :^)

File: 12314232123.gif (1MB, 354x200px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 354x200px

Dragonslayers campaign WHEN?

>Newest Iron Gods app
>It's a "le special snowflake race"
>Despite everything written suggesting Chaotic Randumbass, the character is LN
>A healer and unarmed fighter in fucking IRON GODS

This is the trolliest thing I've seen all day.

>>54501750
I dump cha like a fucking monster because I'm the filthiest of strfags. I haven't built a cha character in a decent game since... my skald 2 years ago? He was fun, that being said.

>>54502075
>fighter archers and Enervation sorcerers: the game.

File: Fist.png (369KB, 483x640px) Image search: [Google]

369KB, 483x640px

>>54502084
>Thinking Iron Gods doesn't need a healer
Oh darling honeyboo, have you actually played that AP?

>>54502114
my idea is always
'build something really strong that youll enjoy playing'
'make a long backstory that gets you invested in the character and somewhat fits your mechanics'
'adjust with levers until appropriate'
'launch your meme app to the skies'

and SAD memes are strong so yeah

>>54502191
intrigue DM, have you forgotten to take your name off?

>>54501885
Xenoblade, and Monster Hunter are favorites.
High Fantasy, maybe medium anime

>>54501896
I think I've heard similar in the past.

>>54501920
I've also heard that a lot as well.

>>54501946
I have plans to remove/adjust a few things.

>>54502030
That's pretty fine advice. Danke.

>>54502158
Healing is garbage though, isn't that what everyone says?

>>54502198
yes but its a pain while phoneposting
and esp when phoneposting on rollerskates
gimme a break anonkun pls

>>54502191
I don't do this shit anymore Too much disappointment when you don't go in or the game goes belly up.
>>54502084
>le snowflake race
I don't like ethumions but as much as pfg salivates over "basically humans with big tiddy" tieflings/aasimer/kenomomi it's a fact of life.

>A healer and unarmed fighter in fucking IRON GODS
That's still pretty much a full initiator. Medics are pretty fucking legit.
>>54502250
No anon. Healing IN COMBAT is garbage and having "healer" as your primary role is garbage. Medics make competent tanks and strikers on top of being able to keep allies in the fight and help them mitigate damage. They're fun to play because they're more engaging to use than being a wand of CLW with an Int score.

>>54502250
Yes, under most circumstances, because usually the fight ends before or right after somebody goes down and everything can be healed with a few wands of CLW and during combat a potion suffices.

Unless it's IG which deals 15d6 damage to touch on a trap that's impossible to notice, or traps you into a room that attacks you with +20 to attack and 4d6+10 damage and trip each round, And all the enemies that explode you during the gameplay. A dedicated healer is a godsend when you realize that the robots do 4 attacks into touch that do 3d6+X damage and every door slamming open in every dungeon sending every enemy at you as the book 2 barbarian deals +90 damage a round.

Seriously if it wasn't the best written adventure Paizo has put out nobody would want to play it because it is murder.

>>54502250
It's less that it's garbage, and more that just spamming cure spells is the wrong way to do so. If you want to heal, there are three different ways off the top of my head to do so effectively. 1) Play a Medic 2) play a Vitalist 3) play a Spirit Guide Life Oracle channel bot. Though I'm wondering if a Zealot or a Raja focusing on Radiant Dawn and Silver Crane might work as a good heager as well.

>>54502329
never give up anon! the perfect app backstory is waiting for you! JUST DO IT

>>54502191
My technique varies. Sometimes the backstory comes first, or something in my art folder inspires me to do something mechanically. My current character was just me dicking around to make something with as many str boosters as I could think of to hit really hard. She's works really well, all things considered.

>>54502329
I'm not a fan of overly long backstories in apps. I'd rather write what likely matters to the campaign, then come up with more if I get in.

>>54495153

Worf from Star Trek: TNG

He comes from a culture that brags and boasts about glory and honor through personal victory in combat. He emphasizes the honor part of that, believing that exaggeration and hyperbole only lessen a warrior's honor, and that their actions should speak for themselves.

>>54501957
Need the right group for it AND you can't really bring your fetishes into it without it being real weird.

>>54501981
Gotta sell it differently. Instead of Weeb Oregon Trail by Miyazaki, change a few things and sell it as the Talespin RPG, with dieselpunk flying pirates and Ayn Rand cities standing against the tide.

It plays out the same way, but presentation matters.

>>54502208
>MH and Xenoblade
A Human colony ship crashes, damaging almost everything inside. PCs have to fight monsters that start breaking in and hampering progress. Once the robots are fixed, they find they aren't part of a space faring colony ship

File: 0035998424df927a96cf4b417d2970ea.jpg (78KB, 796x439px) Image search: [Google]

78KB, 796x439px

An idea I had for a starter setting for StarFinder is the PCs being whisked away to what is essentially a universal themepark.

One of them what I will tenatively called Celestial Macabe; Vampire Hunter D, Castlevania, and Dark souls thrown together into a blender and set on a giant castle planet (ring world actually) that the PCs can participate in with areas segmented by levels

File: 7.jpg (21KB, 227x327px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 227x327px

>>54502269
>phoneposting
>on rollerskates
who the hell is this meme creature?

>>54502355
Given the sheer number of constructs in Iron Gods playing a Cleric with a decent number of Channels per day works out fairly well as well since the classic problem of "channeling heals your enemies" doesn't work on constructs.

>>54502637
Tell me, what would constitute winning in the campaign?

>>54502660
They're probably a waitress at an American-style 50s drive-in diner.

>>54502355
SoP life casters aren't bad either.

File: PZO7101-Raia_360.jpg (33KB, 360x563px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 360x563px

last of the new Iconics went up

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljze?Meet-the-Iconics-Raia

>>54502734
>literal furfag who enjoys taking the knot

File: dragon failed a will save.jpg (195KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

195KB, 1280x720px

>>54502701
If the discord is anything to go by, SSDK is an IRL meme viking with bard levels.

Somethat makes it even more jarring.

File: tumblr_nfgr85vjd91st9asto9_1280.png (609KB, 1280x1216px) Image search: [Google]

609KB, 1280x1216px

>>54502699

It's not really a campaign so much as a testing ground for myself, I could allow whatever I want consequence free of an actual story and possibly have fun with it as well.

The win state would be completing the challenges and getting the world specific loot to use.

It's all meant to be sci-fantasy related so it'll just be comestically themed to the world. For instance, there is a jungle world based on Monster Hunter

>>54502776
So your average character as per written by /pgg/?

>>54502776
It is 100% less creep when the fur is sentient. It's not dogfucking then.

>>54502734
>When she reached puberty, Raia chose to develop into the tall, intellectual damaya subspecies, following the example of her parents, both of whom are damaya

>Chose

WHAT?

>>54502857
Paizo decided that sexual dimorphism is too sexist, so now it's a choice instead of being divided by sex.

>>54502854

I'm pretty sure people would debate that.

>>54502857
Iirc that particular race has a number of different adult forms which an individual can choose to become at puberty.

>>54502776
There is literally nothing wrong with taking the knot if it's attached to an intelligent creature whom you love, which she apparently does.

Holy shit, I'm genuinely surprised this woman is not only in love with a man, but from the last paragraphs she's actually staying faithful in a long-distance relationship. That doesn't strike me as something Paizo would write at all.

>>54502857
Basically the crazy sexual dimoprhisim that that species has is like the pig/hog thing that we have. It's a response to environmental effects.

Kinda neat desu, because with tech you could influence the change.

>>54502877
I mean sure, but then it's just "i don't like how your ayylamo wiafu looks" instead of "jesus christ you fucking creep you are raping animals pls kys".

>>54502874
>Paizo decided that sexual dimorphism is too sexist
I mean it sorta is when no other race in the game has to deal with that and it's kinda shitty to force players to optimize around gender.

File: LUKE.png (566KB, 970x545px) Image search: [Google]

566KB, 970x545px

I made a thing. Comments/Thoughts?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nvfjc2TwAz2exC3aXWnHKG5td23XZ_spBPSLX3rxZPo/edit?usp=sharing

>>54498848
Honestly a graveyard game of just DHB characters would be interesting.

>>54502892
Lashunta? That's not true at all. They're sexually dimorphic, as in the males are one thing and women are another. The only chose is on what reproductive organs you have.

>>54502913
It was the single interesting thing about the race.
>>54502903
>Kinda neat desu, because with tech you could influence the change.
It's explicitly not thanks to tech. Cultural change made them realise they only had sexual dimorphism because they were sexist and smashing the patriarchy was the only thing they needed to do to remove it.

>>54502932
Retcon happened. Now they choose whether to be dwarves or elves essentially. Mechanically better, but the reasons behind the decision are infuriating.

>>54502950
Lashunta were never a patriarchy, they were always controlled by women in a perfect utopia of peaceful city-states.

>>54502967
The patriarchy bit was a joke, but abolishing gender roles is explicitly what made them lose sexual dimorphism.

>>54502902
>That doesn't strike me as something Paizo would write at all.
Why?

Unless you are coming though their b-list material looking to get triggered they are mostly reasonable.

>>54502913
>Paizo decided that sexual dimorphism is too sexist
And here is an example of someone looking to get triggered.

>>54502932
They retconned that. The new one is that those changes happen based on the environment, and it a sex-defines-role society the change is 99% correlated with sex.

>>54502950
>I need to be upset about something.

>>54502967
>perfect utopia of peaceful city-states.
I didn't read that part.

>>54502959
Paizo has established an INCREDIBLY dangerous precedent by saying lore and fluff can be retconned. This shit is why the Unbearded were retconned (Jessica Price complained) and Erastil... Well, the changes there were actually alright.

>>54502967
THAT WAS NOT DUE TO SEXISM. IT IS LITERALLY SO THEY CAN MAKE LASHUNTA THE BLUE ALIEN SPACE BABES.

THAT BACKSTORY IS LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE ASARI.

>>54502959
>>54502988
Source

>>54503019
it's linked in the blog posts comments.

>>54502988
>Erastil... Well, the changes there were actually alright.
Yea that was needed. Jesus.

>>54503018
u don't understand. anon feels bad and pathetic and need something external to blame.

>>54502075
isn't legendary games doing that as an AP?

>>54503048
So what exactly have they changed on Erastil? A single sentence about something people equated to sandwich making?

>>54503064
I don't know what Legendary Games even is.

>>54503041
Oh that
That just seems something that they figured out as a race with space technology
On the Green planet where they still ride dinosaurs and are ooga booga they still work the same

>>54502874
Do they chose their sex, meaning all of each subspecies are still the same sex? Or are they born with their sex and choose their subspecies, meaning each subspecies can be either sex?

>>54503079
It was literally "strong women destroy communities".

The "community/family first" is much better, and one of the better conservative viewpoints.

>>54503116
born sex, choose subspecies. Think pig/boar.

>>54503116
They don't choose sex.
They just choose subspecies regardless of sex - a child of either sex gets to be either subspecies.

I WANT TO FORCEFULLY GENETICALLY MODIFY LASHUNTA TO HAVE BOTH CHARACTERISTICS AT ONCE

I WILL CREATE MY OWN LASHUNTA MONSTER

>>54503079
>So what exactly have they changed on Erastil?

Erastil was first introduced in Kingmaker, and his write-up has... Questionable views on women joining his clergy or their role in society. To be fair, his opinions are perfectly reasonable if he was in a more "realistic" or "grounded" setting, but Golarion is neither of those and they really didn't have a place.

>>54503126
>It was literally "strong women destroy communities".

That, and women were only allowed to be part of his clergy unless they agree to drop the vestments on their wedding night. Being a priestess was only a function of the virginal young women still looking for a good man.

>>54503165
that'll probably be in one of the Advanced Player Guides or in a campaign later, so just be patient.

>>54503176
Mad science doesn't need patience

>>54502987
>Why?

Paizo is not particularly keen on writing heterosexual characters in existing relationships. Throughout all the APs, you perhaps get as many of them as you do homosexual relationships.

>>54503085
It's that publisher, the one Jolly writes for.

>>54503190
>only half of the relationships are straight
>feeling salty about this

really? in 2017?

>>54503190
>Paizo is not particularly keen on writing heterosexual characters in existing relationships. Throughout all the APs, you perhaps get as many of them as you do homosexual relationships.
Beause Pazio knows who they sell to, and they are not keen on pre-cucking their playerbase.

If I'm a multiclass or gestalt Harbinger/Dread (Nightmare), do I recover maneuvers from both classes with either claim, or do I have to maintain two separate claims? Do the penalties from both claims stack?

File: 1497834078913.jpg (13KB, 540x489px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 540x489px

>>54503165
You mean... A Lashuntster?

File: 250px-Triaxian.jpg (17KB, 250x270px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 250x270px

>>54502776
>>54502734

This is a Triaxian, they have silky white fur.

>>54503190
So have you read any AP other than Wrath of the Righteous?

>>54503228
>multiclass or gestalt 3rd party
Stop.
Do not create this character.

>>54503246
n...no homo

>>54503250
u don't understand. logic or reality doesn't apply to someone looking to get TRIGGERED.

>>54503260
Beware summer triaxians though, anon. They are completely smooth save for their eyebrows.

>>54503250
>So have you read any AP other than Wrath of the Righteous?

There are two heterosexual goodly/neutral relationships in Rise of the Runelords, one in Kingmaker and technically two in Reign of Winter. Oh, and one in Shattered Star.

Meanwhile, there are homosexual relationships in Curse of the Crimson Throne, Reign of Winter, Wrath of the Righteous and Hell's Rebels.

>>54503224
I'm like 80% sure your average consumer won't be assblasted the cute blonde waitress is in a smooching relationship with the woodsman.

>>54503260
>multiclass or gestalt 3rd party
Why though?
They're by the same fucking company and Psionics and Path of War do go together given there are numerous things in both subsystems that directly interact with each other.

File: commander_kariam_by_katemaxpaint-d75v4nm.jpg (284KB, 825x878px) Image search: [Google]

284KB, 825x878px

>>54503286
This is a Summer Triaxian.

Also, the art is inconsistent. Sometimes they're shown as weird animal people, while others they're handsome hunks with fur.

Is anyone else really tired of prepared casters?

They are
>hard to play
>easy to break the rules with on accident
>range from incredibly OP to incredibly useless depending on player knowledge
>take frustrating ammounts of prep and/or in-game time to set up and use

>>54503343
>why are there no single hot ladies that I can romance?
>why are there no normal hetero relationships
pazio can't win.

>>54503387
>Is anyone else really tired of prepared casters?

Starfinder is throwing away prepared casters, so just hold out for a few more weeks and you'll be prepared caster free.

>>54503400
>Starfinder is throwing away prepared casters
WAIT FUCKING WHAT?

>>54503343
There's a goodl/neutral relationship in Hell's Vengeance too. Though I don't see why them being Good/Neutral matters are straight people not allowed to be evil?

>>54503380
That is typical
Anyone who has played APs knows Paizo's commissions are wild in variety
SS has that scene where 3 dark gnomes talk to each other and 2 look like gnomes but third's portrait (because it is a girl) turns out into a DROW looking dark gnome

>>54503413
>logic
>reality
>normal functional adult
>looking to get triggered
pick one.

>>54503410
Every single caster in Starfinder is a spontaneous caster.

>>54503410
Go read the blog posts. How are you this uninformed?

>>54503445
How do we know this? Are there any released informations yet?

>>54503462
I don't have much free time.

>>54503343
if you want more, in Giantslayer the female dwarf (with beard) is married to a female half-orc

>>54503343
Let me just go ahead and pull out my knowledge of Reign of Winter on how many lesbians I've come across reading it.

One in book two
One in book three

Let's count heterosexual relationships
One in book one
Two in book two
Technically one in book four
I am also pretty sure that none of the Russian soldiers were avid fans of Shoreleave.

Wrath is a lost cause.

But now let's count those in Curse
Queen and her lackey is one.
And that's about it,

I can remember only one guy couple in RotR but even that is something that probably never comes up because neither of the characters are important to the story.

Kingmaker has one married couple, yes, but no lesbians save for maybe that one calistrian cleric, but she is a throwaway character at best.

Any and all other characters in any of those are left very specifically ambiguous so they exist in a limbo of sexuality until GM decides what kind of genitals they prefer to suckle upon.

>>54503476
They are making a 3PP book and Starfinder has a chapter on bringing in Pathfinder stuff. Feel free to ban both

>>54503413
>Though I don't see why them being Good/Neutral matters are straight people not allowed to be evil?

Because then you simply can't carve through them like a cake? You have to bask in their heterosexuality? Same reason there's only like one evil homosexual relationship out of all the APs (Queen Illeosa and a Gray Maiden.)

Oh, I forgot. There's a lesbian couple in Kingmaker, Book 4.

>>54503499
>One in book one
>Two in book two

Should it really count as a relationship when the man has or is in the process of being viciously murdered by your encounter? Because if we're counting dead husbands/boyfriends than literally every AP includes at least 1-2 heterosexual relationships.

>>54503476
>How do we know this?
It has been officially said.
There are only two casters in core, both are spontaneous 6-casters.
Paizo has no plans to make any prepared casters or 9-casters for Starfinder.

>>54503547
uhh...wow. Thats quite a departure.

I'm actually really excited for that myself.

>>54503534
Anon there implied that there are no straight people in the APs so yeah we are counting dead ones.

Also you have to be pretty murderhobo or your GM doesn't like giving you common sense or perception rolls to recognize shit out of the ordinary to end that encounter with you killing the guy.

>>54503581
>I'm actually really excited for that myself.

Since it sounds like you're a precious cinnamon bun with eyes yet open, understand that Starfinder is also including a system of item upgrades distinct from simple enchantment, where a shitty home-built laser rifle might do 1d8 damage while a top-of-the-line Corporate private stock laser rifle (technically the same weapon) does 6d8.

Also, they have added a second health pool for characters called Stamina. Most weapons hit your Stamina before they hit your Health. In Starfinder, Stamina represents your "luck" and "narrow misses." While Health needs to be healed with items or magic, Stamina can be replenished with a simple 10 minute rest.

>>54503633
>>54503581
The biggest, baddest hammer in the game will have a 14d10 weapon damage die.

>>54503618
>Also you have to be pretty murderhobo or your GM doesn't like giving you common sense or perception rolls to recognize shit out of the ordinary to end that encounter with you killing the guy.

I was referring to the house under siege by the Quicklings, not the Huldra's husbando getting a close encounter with a Mindslaver mold.

Also, there's that husband that's getting his face chewed off in Rise of the Runelords by a Goblin commando.

>>54503670
Still that counts because alive or dead the,'s people liked the ole socket n plug combination rather than clam rubbing or skin flute duels. That don't suddenly become asexual or gay upon death.

File: Soldier1.jpg (90KB, 900x643px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 900x643px

>>54503633
I actually mathed it out a while ago.

A soldier with a 7d8 laser gun should be capable of doing about 125 damage per round as long as he has ammo, and he can reload. This is versus an optimized blaster sorcerer, who should be dealing about 108 damage per fireball at level 10. It's an AoE, admittedly, but he can only do it three times per day.

Before anybody jumps down my throat about "Casters aren't broken because they deal damage" no, that's true. But giving the casters fewer niches they dominate other players in is a good thing, and soldiers appear to have "lord of the battlefield" as their entire thing. With taking away levels 7-9 spells as well, the disparity is lower than ever.

>>54503716
Honestly...give that sorcerer teleport and then the balance issue is fine. The sorcerer might even just be better.

Teleportation into a room, murdering everyone in it, then leaving is a lot better than killing someone extra good all day.

>>54503499
Nadya as a romantic interest has always made me deeply uncomfortable - not due to her being a single mother, mind you, but because the circumstances of her being single aren't what I'd call "irreversible" by any stretch of the word.

Nadya joins the team because she wants to help you guys stop the Winter Witches, right? What if you... I don't know... Threw in the juicy bone of promising to resurrect her dead husband as well? He's only been dead for like two years, and she's probably still got lots of his effects laying around the house. Resurrection's a 7th level spell, which is high but not an impossible dream to any caster by the end of Book 2.

>>54503693
>Still that counts because alive or dead the,'s people liked the ole socket n plug combination rather than clam rubbing or skin flute duels.

Ameiko Kaijitsu and Tessa Fairwind had boyfriends, but I'm pretty sure you could date either of them as a woman in their respective APs.

>>54503763
Flying and teleporting is no longer as much of an issue due to the fact that everyone can just shoot in the air
It is harder to escape by flying and teleporting

>>54503763
Well here's the trick; that's a different niche than the martial's Schtick. In this instance, the sorcerer is providing utility more than anything, and since teleport affects groups, he's providing it to his entire team.

If that sorcerer with teleport is in a group, he can literally teleport the soldier into a mission, and then teleport him out when the job is done. that's way, way better for a party dynamic than the sorcerer doing everything himself

>>54503811
>If that sorcerer with teleport is in a group, he can literally teleport the soldier into a mission, and then teleport him out when the job is done. that's way, way better for a party dynamic than the sorcerer doing everything himself
Exactly. I like how this COULD work out.

File: 2323455158.png (28KB, 500x223px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 500x223px

>>54503633
>Since it sounds like you're a precious cinnamon bun with eyes yet open, understand that Starfinder is also including a system of item upgrades distinct from simple enchantment, where a shitty home-built laser rifle might do 1d8 damage while a top-of-the-line Corporate private stock laser rifle (technically the same weapon) does 6d8.

You forgot the best part about this! The best part!

If you really want to keep your original gun, you can pay the cost of upgrading it into a better model. So yes, between missions in the Drift (basically hyperspace) you can sit in your room, upgrading your shitty rifle into a less shitty rifle until you become like Jayne Cobb with Vera.

Is SwimmingEagle a cool guy?

File: 1e5a98ef8619adffe9a9f4175fade5264.jpg (36KB, 564x913px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 564x913px

>>54503828
Yeah, i like it. by giving the martials the best offense and defense options, even if you bring in casters from Pathfinder, the casters won't go for the offense and defense options; they'll go for other things, like buffs, illusions, enchantments, or summoning. Summoning of course is still a tricky issue, but the rest? That's all great stuff for party composition because it means the caster is handling what it should have been handling right from the get-go.

level 9 spells are still turbo-broken, of course, but they aren't as bad as they were before, and games rarely get to level 17 in the first place.

What's the verdict on the Lore Warden changes? Is it just strictly nerfed?

>>54503863
I'd say he's a cool guy, yes. Why?

>>54503766
Ya do realize that resurrecting somebody is about as far fetched for a lowly commoner as Nadya as is finding a party that doesn't try to game the system in Irrisen, saying that they can buy shit as they wish even when you point out that any time they do anything outside of walking down a street they have a rather big chance of being caught?

>>54503828
Excpet sorcerers using fireball was never the fucking problem with them "doing everything by tehemselves" if anything cutting them off from that option leads more to
>>54503913
This style of play, which contrary to what this retard think ACTUALLY LEADS TO CASTERS BASICALLY DOING EVERYTHING and pretty much reduces martials to "clean up crew".

>>54503863
Yeah, but I wish he and most of the other "cool guys" would stop antagonizing this general.

>>54503942
T-That's why I said by the end of Book 2, anon. When Nadya must decide if she'll stick around and help you, or go back home because she's done her job. This is also the point in the AP when the party acquires the Dancing Hut, an artifact of unfathomable magical power and a sign they are on the path to working miracles.

File: SE keeps doing it.png (13KB, 473x85px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 473x85px

>>54503968
You mean like how SwimmingEagle deliberately makes troll thread OPs on a regular basis?

>>54503986
Well, yes, but that's pretty small potatoes compared to most things celeb players do.

I mean more like how some people keep using the thread to start blogging about their campaigns. It only attracts the wrong kind of attention, and any campaign that gets these fucking blog posts about it in /pfg/ inevitably gets twisted into something absurd just to grab more attention.

>>54503962
Why do you think this is a problem? Yeah, the casters are still the ones with the biggest hand in the direction the game goes, but that was never going to change. The point is that allowing your allies to be effective is what defines a fun party member from an ubercaster, and that's the difference we're looking at. Yes, the wizard used black tentacles to lockdown the group of mooks so that the soldier can fight the big bad. Why is that a problem?

What kind of setup do you feel is better for use?

A vast, open region with a few city-states, plenty of "vast, untamed wilderness" except for where it isn't that's kinda points of light?

A smaller and better-charted kingdom/republic/whatever with a central government, but still a fair amount of land and plenty of room for adventure?

A+B. There's a huge continent with several smaller countries within.

A + B: A huge country with a lot of variance in climates and room for adventuring in, with it's own internal factions and the likes.

>GM is stingy as fuck with wpl to the point of not even allowing a 1/3rd on character creation
>Get the most broken cheap items
Am I that guy? he's been throwing us encounters above our level and we don't have the magic equipment required in the slightless, we're at 7th level and only one of us has a +1 weapon, and a different dude a +1 armor

>>54504127
A + B is by far my favorite. I love exploration and the open road as much as the next guy, but I deeply appreciate urban settings, engaging in a bit of courtly intrigue or even a bit of bar-room brawling. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but humans and other civilized races often make better enemies and antagonists than your typical evil Lich commanding unthinking monstrosities from some dank ruin.

Wait, what's the difference between A + B and A+B? Because the latter has qualities I'd like to see in the former; specifically, the huge continent with huge empires and smaller kingdoms within.

File: hmm.png (758KB, 1440x1080px) Image search: [Google]

758KB, 1440x1080px

>Follow crossboard link from /a/ expecting cute girls
>This thread
I'm disappoint, also kobolds aren't moe.

>>54504184
It's really just "One Country" vs. "Several.Countries squeezed in"

>>54504219
What thread was the link in?

>>54504051
You don't understand in the issue in the first place if you think that's the problem. There is literally no difference between that and pathfinder. Nothing has changed.

>>54504238
Yeah, why can't we have both? Like the Byzantine Empire shared the same region with Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria and Hungary.

>>54504219
Anime here is like the tides: They depend on the cycles of the moon. And by that I mean if somebody posts something about character cuteness or their reactions to hugs or whatever and it gains traction you might get cute girls. Other times the poster gets told to fuck off with his weeb shit back to /a/. Rest of the time it's complaining about Paizo's political views and crying about some mechanic in the game.

File: orcDrumWarrior.gif (694KB, 326x468px) Image search: [Google]

694KB, 326x468px

So Skald's Vigor states that you get Ithe Strength bonus your raging song provides as fast healing. If you're playing a Totemic Skald who picks the Bull focus, does that mean you get to apply the Strength bonus from that as well? I mean it's a Strength bonus, and it's applied via your raging song, so at least RAW I'd argue it works. In a similar vein, would you say that the Strength bonus from Amplified Rage works as well since it's increasing the bonus?

I was thinking of doing a Half-Orc Totemic Skald build that uses Battle Song of the People's Revolt with Amplified Rage and the Bull focus to boost Skald's Vigor (and later Greater), along with Warleader's Rage to allow a larger range for Amplified Rage but I'm not sure what to do with the build from there.

File: 1494797679721.png (477KB, 768x1087px) Image search: [Google]

477KB, 768x1087px

>>54504337
It also depends on the kitsune around.

>>54504253
At this point, you're failing to provide an argument. It's fine for you to have an opinion, but if you want to prove me wrong, at least describe the issue.

so what kind of penalty would you give to players who don't bathe and change clothes? Wouldn't other people not like them?

File: __fox_mccloud_and_princess_peach_mario_series_super_mario_bros_and_super_smash_bros_drawn_by_mecharm__5e5071a1b58c02b9fa98272172d8afbd.jpg (304KB, 700x1000px) Image search: [Google]

304KB, 700x1000px

>>54504433

Makes sense.

>>54504575
If a player is clearly reeking of BO and god knows what other stench, I'd tell them to go home and, next time there's a session, wash before it.

>>54504606
I think he meant in character.

>>54504606
I meant in character. I'm running a survival/exploration game and want my players to be aware of things like bathing and changing clothes to avoid infection/disease as well as meeting with other people when they find them.

>>54504616
I don't see why that should give mechanical penalties. Sure, have people comment on the stank and maybe refuse service or whatever, but quantifying it into a Charisma drain or whatever is silly.

>>54504652
Penalties to saves to effects that are caused by exposure, Allies having to throw minute will saves if the guy smells like a thousand tons of wet pig shit. Creatures with scent start attacking more because they can be smelled a mile way.

>>54504575
>>54504652
Okay, what do you actually mean to do with this? Because this, if I'm being uncharitable like I usually am, sounds like you're fishing for a way to penalize people.

Not washing your clothes shouldn't be a problem, because it can easily be assumed that the PCs are washing and keeping clean "offscreen" in whatever ways they can, using nearby streams, magic, or whatever else.

Sure, you think it's immersive, and reminding them of it might be, but just springing the idea that they stink on them is going to lose your players' trust if you keep making them track soap consumption and bath times. It's like having NPCs be attacked behind their backs, they'll get paranoid about ever leaving someone alone.

>>54499539
Ensoulment was a bamboozle. Hasn't met since the first session.

>>54504737
Any evidence?

>>54504737
Can confirm this is bullshit. There was even a greentext posted.

>>54504652
>Having a warm bath after a week in the wild country

You want to feel like a god? Take a bath. Cleanliness is indeed next to godliness.

File: 1489982023952.jpg (3MB, 4000x3144px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4000x3144px

>>54504251
https://boards.fireden.net/a/search/text/pfg%7Cpgg%7Cpaizo%7Cpathfinder/

https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/160234899/#160241387

>>54504731
yeah but the whole point of exploration in a sandbox game is seeking out things they want to do. I have a world map that I've created that has streams already mapped on the landscape. if they aren't near any they can't bathe and if they are wounded and running around in filthy clothes and covered in blood and grime they'd most likely get some sort of disease.

>>54504737
Where did you even get this from?

>>54504709
these are all good ideas, thank you.

>>54504792
You shouldn't be asking us about this. You should be asking your players. They're the ones who are going to be subject to this, and the key here is whether they think it's fun.

If they do, then great. If they don't, scrap the idea and don't force it on them.

>>54502913
It isn't impossible. And, if they really wanted to make something alien, a creature that could shift it's sex on it's own, like several species of Fish and frogs, it would be something to make them different. Some even change quite drastically when they do so.

I've not kept up with Starfinder, but it sounds like they've basically just made two races that grow up from a single child-form. Again, not impossible biologically, though most things with wildly different adult forms (like ants) tend to have only a single reproducing member, and the rest are neutered drones.

>>54503246
He looks like that guy from Cloud Meadow.

>>54504878
I thought frogs were only changing genders because they were getting stuffed full of estrogen by the Western world's obsession with hormones.

I'm surprised none of that has done anything averse to human males!

/pfg/, teach me how to aberrant aegis.

>>54504922
Gender swapping within a species to fill gaps is not unheard of, though frogs are probably the most boring ones, just gestating in their own shit while they pop out a penis when males are out of fashion.

Slugs, on the other hand, shoot spikes at each other. The first one hit becomes female.

>>54504957
get natural attacks and pounce, murder shit

>>54504975
>Slugs, on the other hand, shoot spikes at each other. The first one hit becomes female

Just like prison, eh?

>>54504999
Also pick up some initiating with your choice of Thrashing Dragon/Primal Fury/Chimera Soul.

>>54504922
>it's the waters fault women won't touch me!

>>54505004
More or less. Except in this prison everybody is a hermaphrodite.

>>54504975
I thought slugs just shot barbs into each other and they both got fertilized since they're all hermaphrodites?

>>54505069
I think that's snails, but I'm not sure.

>>54505039
God, you sound like such a woman.

>>54505087
No >>54505069 is right, it was snails. But they don't both become fertile.

>>54504999
>>54505026

That all there is to it?

>>54504922
No the whole chemical sex changing thing is simply a myth, frogs do change sexes though. They can't change genders however that we know of. That said considering there aren't exactly many gender constructs of frogs, I suppose it's theoretically possible to have a gender-fluid frog, but you really wouldn't know. It still acts exactly the same as every other frog, because it's a frog.

>>54505170
Pretty much.

Is it mean of me to have the final dungeon in my campaign allow the bad guy snipe the players with very little chance of being able to retaliate?

Specifically the main bad guy has access to a network of portals and magical security measures that lets him see and be almost anywhere in the dungeon and being an asshole he can just lob grenades through portals when players are near them, but they are one-way and have a really odd pattern on where they are so they can only hope they can avoid whatever the bad guy throws through them.

>>54505205
There were some issues with contraceptive pills causing fish to experience some changes, I think.

>>54505304
Well they were found to cause statistically more male fish to be born intersex (which is commonly confused with transgender), but that tends to happen when idiots flush their medication. If you're flushing your contraceptives, you're using it wrong.

>>54505377
I thought some of the stuff was still passed through piss.

>>54505377
Does any of this do things to human men?

>>54505430
If I'm being honest, the man claimed to be producing a study that I can't find anywhere. I'd take his "findings" with a grain of salt.

>>54505430
It is, and since hundreds of millions of women are using these pills and pissing every day, it's still going to cause a huge amount of the stuff to enter the water.

>>54505496
We can't keep letting all these women piss.

>>54505527
We must stop them!

Seriously though, it's something that's happening and we can't stop from happening.

>>54505457
Well large amount of estrogen men usually constitute to prostrate cancer, heart diseases and weakened physique as well as a chance of becoming increasingly feminine if you intake large amounts of it, though your dick's going to be still there after any length of time. Effectively estrogen is bad for male physique since they are more dependent on testosterone since it effectively gives males their masculine characteristics (stronger, broader and larger than females).

>>54505457
Well technically yes. There are some less desirable side effects of taking the pill as a man (you should never take any medication that isn't for you), but in terms of the severity proposed by "Widespread Sexual Disruption in
Wild Fish", no. It is physically impossible for a living human being to grow opposing sexual organs. You can have surgery, as some people who are transgender sometimes choose to do. But you can not inside a change of sex, or become intersex as a living human male or female.

>>54505459
Yeah, I'm not really finding more than reference to a study.

>>54505557
It would be unhealthy and may lead to an increase in what society generally views as femininity, but I should stress this is separate from one's gender.

>>54505457
Just get an Alex Jones water filter.

Any red blooded American has one!

>>54505557
>>54505593
>>54505608
Sounds like we've found the source of all our NuMales.

>>54505270
>Mean
Yes.

Give them a delay, some hint in the middle of a fight that it is coming. I did that to my PCs in a pirate campaign. Despite warning them and telling them the Assault Buffalo was putting on its cannons, no one attacked it and it was free to clear off the deck

So my game ended last week.
>Wanted to run skulls and shackles, or at least a game in the shackles
>Couldn't do that, so I wanted to run a series of short modules adapted to Golarion
>Now I'm tempted to build a setting
>Starfinder is coming out soon

>I want to do a ton of things, but couldn't possibly work with them all
Send help

>>54505599
I found the study. It doesn't do a great job to link the study specifically to estrogen concentration though. It's a bit weak to be honest.

>>54505658
No, that's upbringing and societal influences.

>>54505673
Starfinder will be leaked soon and has less issues, at least from this distance.

Build a Space faring campaign, include bird people and very large bug folk

>>54505681
The subtle changes in their brain chemistry and body from all that estrogen should contribute something.

>>54505727
Ya... I'm not transitioning. No estrogen for me. I'm happy with my moobs being the size they are now.

>>54505608
>I should stress this is separate from one's gender
Not entirely. The human brain is sexually dimorphic; moving yourself towards the other sex will affect your perception of those genders.

File: 1449344763252.png (361KB, 473x675px) Image search: [Google]

361KB, 473x675px

>>54505608
>but I should stress this is separate from one's gender.

>Pumping your brain full of a sex hormone is not going to change anything

>>54501110

Are you one of my players, or is this a more common desire than I've been aware of?

Zarca, is that you?

>>54505798
Yes being being more societally feminine or masculine may affect your perception of gender, but it won't affect your own gender, there are plenty of men that are more feminine who are still men. While one man may be viewed as societally feminine, he's still feels most comfortable as a male and treated as a male. They may perceive gender roles differently, but there's no question they are male.

>>54505834
As someone who's actually transitioning, I can testify estrogen significantly changed the way I think.

>>54505879
>more societally
No, being physically more feminine. It has nothing to do with society and everything to do with literally moving your body and body structure towards a female sex. This also affects your perception, because the female brain is not the same as the male brain. Because you aren't literally female, taking the pill will never actually make you act like a woman, but it will make you act in that direction.

>>54505727
For individual cases, maybe, but not on a grand scale. Again, it's their upbringing by baby boomers who, in their usual rebellion against their parent generation, started rejecting conservative views and lived through the time when equality movements got most wind under their wings because of it, including the generation that saw war wanting to change the world into a more tolerant place because of their bad or good experiences. And with that an emphasis on higher education became a thing and these people became teachers who also started influencing the youth and that was inherited by the next generation and the next generation, creating the nu-males. And even then that is mostly because over each generation the idea of equality became increasingly corrupted to the point that people took the "white males are evil" to heart despite that being fringe case ideas of what caused everything. And also the American media being dominated by people with left leaning ideals.

Even then the nu-males are still fringe cases and only gain popularity because, I am repeating myself but what the hoohaa, a good portion of the media is left leaning especially on the internet.

>>54505834
It will change a lot. But it shouldn't change your gender. Many people who take estrogen experience changes in personality, but not to the severity of changing one's gender. WIth that said, it is scientifically possible. Just unsubstantiated, and at best unlikely.

>>54505929
>But it shouldn't change your gender

Why not? I thought gender was fluid.

>>54505948
Well gender is since it's a term coined by a moron who ruined the lives of two boys for his own theory and thus is considered to be naught but a slang term for sex. Sex doesn't change.

>>54505948
Not exactly. That's a bit of an oversimplification. It's possible for a person to be gender-fluid sure, But to claim all people are gender fluid would be false. I'm a guy. I'd never feel comfortable in any other circumstance than being a guy.

>>54505927
>Baby boomers

Has there ever been a generation that has caused as much damage to their civilization as the baby boomers? Good times truly do breed weak men, though the irreversible shifts in climate and the changing demographics of our countries make me think we'll never get back around to strong men.

>>54505973
Sex does not change. Gender a neurological aspect of one's personal identity.

>>54505929
How much estrogen do we have to give to a heterosexual male to make them think and feel like something else?

>>54505987
"Baby Boomers" were only bad because of Washington Consensus desu.
>ruin latin america's development
>ruin south america's development
>"free trade" when Keynes was a globalist who saw first hand that it didn't work, and wrote in 1933 that it fucking didn't work
>start a War Aeternal across everything and cause massive displacement throughout the developing world in the name of Democracy, which funnily enough isn't being spread to Saudi Arabia, when the people on the plane were Saudis

File: 1499819737034.jpg (301KB, 1024x761px) Image search: [Google]

301KB, 1024x761px

This thread is about to go "wonderful" places. Let's change that!

What's the most brutal thing you did to an enemy in pathfinder?

File: Mirror Witch.jpg (81KB, 800x678px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 800x678px

Hey guys, can we get off the gender topic and talk about what this thread is actually meant for?

For instance, ever thought about why witches need covens? As it turns out, relearning your spells after your familiar dies is pretty fucking difficult... except they can learn from another familiar, meaning keeping a friendly familiar in the hands of a friend means you can come back from having your raven buddy shot in the head or something.

>>54506021
If you mean to specifically to change their gender, no one knows if that's even viable because no one would actually try something like that. To cause slight changes in personality such as those who are transitioning, it really depends on the person. I'm not knowledgeable enough in pharmaceuticals to give an accurate answer on that.

>>54498528
I've thought about doing exactly that, but I don't want to do it if all the game has going for it is "Use your old apps!" A game needs to stand on stronger legs than that, IMO, before it's worth running. Also, it's competing with other ideas in my head.

>>54498807
Funny that, a giant trash can is one of the afterlifes in my DM's custom setting. Probably the one most people go to, since it's the default afterlife people who haven't earned (or "earned" in the case of Hell) their way into a different one go to.

How interested would people be in a filthy degenerate breeding campaign?

>>54506053
That actually makes a ton of sense.

>>54505987
It's the same cycle any thriving civilization has gone through. Few generations before build a better world for their offsprings and those offsprings fall into decadence and selfish ideals and since excess is all around they gorge themselves with it to the detriment of the following generations. Right now the only thing is that the generation that effectively spent all the earlier generations built up to still live because of advancements in healthcare and hygiene so that they can be around to complain to the following generations.

>>54506053
Speaking of Witches, how many Changelings are transsexual? I thought I recall hearing Crystal Frasier state a greater than normal percentage of them viewed themselves as men trapped in feminine figures, which is an awfully intriguing thing to consider for a mono-gendered race.

And speaking of said mono-genderedness, don't most of them display intersex characteristics, up to and including penises? Knowing how frightening gender dysphoria can be, I'm sure the anguish of such a collection of sex organs is exactly what their Hag mothers want.

>>54506082
You have to be more specific than that, because doing punett squares doesn't sound fun

>>54506067
Post all your ideas

>Garbage Bin Afterlife
I admit, I giggled at that description of it. In fact, you could use that as the concept. Abandoned, game less PCs have to earn their way to a better campaign

>>54506047
Beheading someone after their defeat isn't brutal.

>>54506053
Don't Covens basically serve as Wizard Academies / Assassin/Theives' Guilds for Witches? As in, they provide partnership and expertise while you do mostly your own thing, as long as you stick to the rules.

>>54506093
>Few generations before build a better world for their offsprings and those offsprings fall into decadence and selfish ideals and since excess is all around they gorge themselves with it to the detriment of the following generations

Previous generations didn't have unlimited immigration and automation to fill in the patches that would otherwise be left bare by the decadence of the weak generation.

>>54506082
You'll need to be a bit more specific than that, anon. I can scratch my itch any number of places, but the only reason I'd come here for that is a plot attached to my smut. What're the details?

so is iron gods confirmed a bamboozle?

>>54506021
You won't change their gender, but combining antiandrogen therapy with something like 4mg estrogen a day should be enough to cause significant personality shifts. However, for someone who isn't trans in the first place this would likely be extremely unpleasant.

>>54506117
Maybe unbridled capitalism has finished its job and it's time to consider alternative forms of production. Automation at least isn't a problem under certain other forms of economy, including but not limited to socialism.

File: 1464484890602.jpg (261KB, 1500x2121px) Image search: [Google]

261KB, 1500x2121px

>>54506053
I mean there are obvious reasons for doing so. Protection, aid in magical matters, potential resources from other witches, the actual coven hex.

>>54506153
Yeah.

>>54506166
>However, for someone who isn't trans in the first place this would likely be extremely unpleasant.

How much estrogen would you have to give someone over the course of 18 years (assuming birth to adulthood) to turn them into a plaid-wearing, bespectacled NuMale?

>>54506117
Yes, but that automation and limitless immigration is partially a cause to the increasingly harder life the younger generation has to endure. They no longer have access to as many jobs as their parent generation and as well paid. And the parent generation still lives in decadence now at the cost of their own off-springs. Especially in America since the baby boomer generation still controls most of the industry and the truly money making professions and businesses and are unwilling to step down or live in the now instead of still fighting communism by hoarding all the money to build red-proof vests padded with Lincoln's and Jefferson's deflecting the projectile communism.

>>54506097
>>54506133
I had a couple ideas

The first idea was that the players would be members of a small sect of Lamashtans growing in power over the course of the campaign, breeding with man and monster to produce more horrifying creatures to grow the cult in power, probably while doing battle against an inquisition of Sarenrae chasing them down.

The next was that the players were emmisaries of a Drakaina seeking to become a demigoddess or at least attain some sort of divine power. The players would end up as foes of a nascent demon or daemon lord who they plan to kill so their master can absorb it's divine spark. Breeding would occur more as a byproduct of the kind of people who would align themselves with a Drakaina.

The third has the players as sort of average ordinary people who are told by the gods that while they aren't necessarily heroes themselves they will one day be the parents of Golarion's future champions. What follows is a small-scale kind of comfy campaign where the players go on local adventures, fight bandits, save noblewomen, etc. all the while building a home and family for themselves either with eachother or NPCs.

>>54506257

1 and 3 sound fantastic, anon.

>>54506222
It's hard to tell.
The effects of estrogen without antiandrogen therapy on males are very poorly known.
The short story is that testosterone is a far more potent hormone and will simply dominate over estrogen in competition for receptors if both are present in the bloodstream.
Basically, estrogen doesn't really do much in terms of observable effects in males as long as there is any testosterone.
And if you nuke testosterone and replace it with estrogen, you just end up with a girl (male) who would likely be horribly depressed due to being full of the wrong hormones.

>>54506283
I'm afraid to ask but... why would you want to know?

>>54506222
>Good times truly do breed weak men, though the irreversible shifts in climate and the changing demographics of our countries make me think we'll never get back around to strong men.
You really know nothing about biology do you?

>Long drawn out conversation on estrogen
>And people wonder why the devs no longer come here.

File: whatzefuck.jpg (372KB, 1280x1030px) Image search: [Google]

372KB, 1280x1030px

>>54506257
Why Sarenrae? I thought Desna had the hate boner for Lamashtu.

I vote for the first one anyway, just so I can make a Doctor Hojo expy.

>>54506283
>you just end up with a girl (male) who would likely be horribly depressed due to being full of the wrong hormones.

No wonder all the depressed channers want to become little girls, they're already suffering the drawbacks without, so why not go all the way?

>>54506094
Where is it said that most Changelings have penises?

>>54506319
>Insecure losers creating an imaginary group of "numales" to put down so they can show how much of a penis they have.
No one cares. It's not like anything but your hand will ever touch it.

>>54506319
I just really want to know if anon is planning to steal an infant...

>>54506307
I know the shit I wrote because I'm a tranny. Knowing how hormones work when taking them is useful.
As for the choice of topic - I was simply trying to answer anon's questions.

>>54506337
>I, er… I actually touched on this in the upcoming Inner Sea Races hardcover, but I don’t know what has or hasn’t survived the editing process (either at Paizo, or in my own office before final turnover). The basics are that male-appearing changelings can’t exist at birth, but changelings have a higher-than-normal-for-their-parent-race incidence of intersex conditions, basically playing into old superstitions and traditions about intersex and gender nonconforming people historically. And there’s certainly nothing stopping a changeling from being gender nonconforming or transgender, or being especially butch.

>>54506348
No I mean why would you want to know how much you need on someone who is cis-gender? I'm getting baby stealing vibes from anon.

>>54506257
The third one is the only one that really appeals to me, it sounds like an old-fashioned Greek-style Demigods campaign set around building up your legend and sowing your heroic seed across the land.

Set it in Iblydos and make it Mythic, and then you've got a proper Sword and Sandal campaign.

>>54506353
>>54506337
And since I failed to provide a source (sorry about that.)

http://amazonchique.tumblr.com/post/109643837437/are-male-changelings-possible

>>54506366
I wasn't the one asking those questions.
Some random anon asked them and I tried to answer them because I was bored.
I don't really understand why are you blaming me for this.

Anyone have the Worldscape one-shots? The ones that were exclusive to the Humble Bundle version of Worldscape.

>>54506387
No I wasn't blaming you at all. Sorry if that wasn't clear.