EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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I was looking into cards that may have some relation to the unknown commander, and here's Disciple of Phenax, a black cleric depicted as a rogue with a discard effect.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=373520

I also found out that there are a surprisingly large number of blue/black clerics. Could it be that the commander is both a cleric and a rogue having the prebuilt as UB clerics + rogues, allowing players to build fully for UB clerics or UB rogues?

>>54479591
Clerics without white would feel too bizarre.

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>>54479668
What is the Cabal?

>>54479529
>Did Maro keep his promise by putting riggers in Unstable?
unequivocally yes

>>54479704
... From the same set as monowhite and W/B clerics?
Is this even a question?

>>54479704
>Onslaught block
>18 black clerics
>31 white clerics

>>54479704
>>54480009
>248 white clerics
>69 black clerics

Eat a dick.

>>54480009
>>54480078
> there are clerics that are black
> not all clerics are white or W/B
> you guys think you have disproven him
something something swans and shit.

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What are some fun timmy wincons in UG that aren't "I combined these 2 cards, now I instantly win" or extra turn chaining

I mostly want to durdle around and not incur hate with my Rashmi deck, but as it is, my deck doesn't really do much besides bore people to death with constant instant speed fuckery

>>54480097
>clerics are primarily white so it would be weird to have Dimir clerics
>haHA here's a black cleric!
Esper would make some sense. Dimir doesn't.

>>54480097
My point is that clerics are an overwhelmingly white tribe, and a cleric edh deck without white would be like a zombie deck without black or a dragon deck without red. Possible, but not really worth it.

I currently have my new mono white deck filled with ice age snow plains. Most of my decks already have all snow basics so what is the spiciest plains art? I prefer old stuff so please suggest me good plains

>>54480143
Different poster, but that would imply that all the decks are at least part white. I know they said they were ignoring the colour wheel for what decks they chose, but I kinda feel they still wouldn't make all of them white. So in my mind the deck's probably not white so it's probably not clerics.

>>54480097
>going monoblack clerics makes sense because a few of them exist
Don't be so fucking retarded holy fucking shit.

>>54480165
Agreed. I think it's Dimir Rogues and Mardu vamps, so 3 white, 2 blue, 3 black, 2 red, 2 green.

>>54480124
Mind's Dilation is amazing in Rashmi

>>54480202
Yeah I got it and it's great, I just need more stuff like it

>>54480202
>Mind's Dilation, Hive Mind, Mind's Desire
This is my goal.

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>>54480196
>the only thing missing is Jund

>>54480180
Not who brought it up, but if it was a phenax cult, or a cabal themed cleric deck, then having white clerics would not make sense.

>>54480224
jund wizards

>>54480231
And if it was a vampire army then black wouldn't make sense. Boros Vampires.

>>54480242
Should be Jund Saprolings

>>54480261
Literally what are you talking about?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kawaii-vampire/

Is there much point in Songs of the Damned if I'm not running creatures in my deck? Or better put, what card can I use to stick monsters into my graveyard?

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What are some of your favourite non-legnadries you wanna have as a commander?

Help me /edhg/, you are my only hope.
I have a problem with building decks, and I want one that I can keep around for a while without getting bored of it like I usually do.
I'm currently playing either Naya 5 power tribal, Bant draw power, or Orzhov life shenanigans. None are very competitive (Karlov is probably the strongest deck but still).
With Hour of Devastation making so many cool commander cards, I've been thinking again about what to make. So far I have a few ideas:
1. Mono blue Sphinx tribal. Complete with draw hating shenanigans and hopefully the power house cards for mono color strategies
2. Mono red with the new Neheb, his lieutenant will be Heartless Hidetsugu for lots of mana to burn (again mono color good stuff)
3. Ghoulcaller Gisa. Half zombie tribal, half sacrifice shenanigans. I like her because she has a sac effect and creates things to sac.
4. Scarab God zombies. Like Gisa but blue and less sac.
5. Rakdos oppression with maybe stax-like effects but mostly discard to keep opponents kinda drained. Mix with light land destruction and good board state.
I can only afford to make one of these (probably not even) so which should I do? Or what are other suggestions to do?

>>54480365
you're aware that that is a valid commander, yes?

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>>54480365

>>54480391
it's not actually a legal commander since it becomes a legendary first when it flips
probably not too hard to house rule him though

>>54480391
No it's not. Flip cards are formally the default side, which is Budoka Gardener, and non Legendary. Westvale Abbey isn't a legal commander, nor is Elbrus the Binding Blade.

>>54480424
>>54480430
well shit

what dumbfuckery

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>>54480365
Any Boros dude that doesn't care about attacking is all I really want

>>54480531
Gisele burn? Run some spicy mass damage spells and shit like that?

>>54480390
Oh I'm also thinking of making either a Golgari or Jund token/sac commander using either Thelon of Havenwood or something like that. Again because I like sacrificing tokens but I need a way to make tokens easy.

>Did Maro keep his promise by putting riggers in Unstable?
no
should be black border

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>>54480531
Ever been drawn to death by a 'hug' deck and forced to discard your entire hand multiple times and draw 7?

>>54479529

nth for fuck the steamflogger meme

Blaxos player here. How much protection do I need for my commander? My deck is essentially focused on casting him asap and then blowing through all of my enchantments to make beefy tokens. Im having trouble picking protection for him, as I'm realizing that he is extremely vulnerable to removal. Lightning greaves playable here, or should I just stick with Shielded by Faith, indestructible and etc?

>>54480594
depending on how they turn out in unstable, they might be printed in black too

however it feels weird to reprint the rigger when there's not gonna be support for it outside of unset

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>>54480531
JUST

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>>54480531
If you don't mind adding one color, this could be good. Passively enable inter-opponent aggression. You can get away with having only white and red spells with not even a forest if you have commander's sphere, darksteel ingot, etc to generate one green mana.

>people complain about riggers being silver bordered
>people complain about wotc printing bad cards in black borded sets

yall never happy

>>54480721
>Make riggers good cards in black border

I must be some kind of genius, I solved the mystery of how to make people happy

>>54480721
the problem is that happy people aren't as vocal as unhappy people

>>54479591

I really hope it is rogues, Edric could use more cool rogues rather than non-tribal 1/1 evasive dudes. Tragically, Leovold got banned, which ruined my nice Sultai-colored elf+faerie rogue tribal.


>>54479529

Remember when people bought these out because of Kaladesh... lol muh investments.

How to angel tribal EDH guys?

>>54480876
Google it

>>54480886
They've got no synergy. Sigarda 1.0 Selesnya Good Stuff.

>>54480899
angels don't have much synergy with themselves, your best bet is to just pick one and try to play good stuff + angels.dec in whatever colors you pick. If you're just playing casually with friends you could talk them into letting you houserule Maelstrom Angel as a commander so you can run 5c angels and just go nuts

When are they going to print more enemy wedge commanders? The current options are so meager I end up using partners most of the time, I guess they could print more partners too.

>>54480876
Bruna, the Fading Light reanimator/ETB exploitation. Throw in tax effects and have Brisela as a wincon. That's what I do with mine, at least.

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>>54481046
>ywn be able to partner two of any mono commanders

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Planning on making a mono-red Neheb deck and I have a question about Aggravated Assault:

Neheb reads "At the beginning of your postcombat main phase, add R to your mana pool for each 1 life your opponents have lost THIS TURN." Let's say I have enough mana floating from when I attacked to pay for AA's ability, giving me another combat phase and thus another postcombat main phase. Because they had already lost life before my additional combat, would I gain R equal to the life lost before and after it, seeing as how the turn hasn't yet ended? Essentially, I'm wondering if these two go infinite with each other.

>>54481173
> If you somehow have more than two main phases in a turn, each main phase after your first one is a postcombat main phase, and Neheb’s last ability triggers at the beginning of each of them.

I guess if you deal at least 5 damage to an opponent during the turn, then they go infinite by this logic.

>>54481173

yes it works like you think it does

enjoy tutoring for essential pieces in mono red

A buddy of mine was brewing Neheb for a while, seemed like a lot of fun. Lots of earthquake and X spells. That would be my recommendation. Make red great again

>>54481266
Yeah, that's my one of my many issues, along with draw....

>>54481046
>Abzan is either +1/+1 counters shit or reanimator shit
>Jeskai is either spells n shit or politics n shit
>Sultai is graveyard shenanigans or Damia
>Mardu is aggro strats or Queen Marchesa
>Temur is creatures matter or Intet

What other strategies would you want to see in Wedges that you couldn't already do with the ones you have?

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>>54480224
>3 white, 2 blue, 3 black, 2 red, 2 green.
>2 blue, 2 red, 2 green
>blue, red, green
>Jund
>blue

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What do?

>>54481266
>>54481290
Personally, I just put Neheb in Zada. It's pretty easy to draw half your deck with Zada and something like Expedite.

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>>54481460

>>54481173
this isn't really as powerful as people make it out to be. you need a creature that can score without being blocked as damage is not removed. you also need an x spell to take care of the guy with taxes deck you can't attack the first few turns.

>>54481460
>>54481538
that is some straight up kung fu shit right there.
actually aikido? judo?

>>54481290
I'll just put Neheb in my Neheb. I never have to worry about card draw that way, in both senses.

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What's the best way to play "Fuck and fuck your hand", mono B or Rakdos?

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>>54481828
Rakdos, no question

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>>54481828
Golgari.

I'm pretty new to EDH and currently trying to build a Brago deck
Would 30 lands be enough, considering that I have 10 mana rocks that, thanks to Brago and other cards in my deck, I can flick and have them come back untapped after having used them?

>>54482022
Not unless the rocks are all Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, and Sol Ring. You should pack around 35 lands just to get consistent land drops until you can establish Brago.

>>54482022
number of lands depends on your mana curve, 30 is way too low regardless. 35-38 is a much safer starting point that you can adjust later based on testing.

Brago's effect also specifies NONLAND permanents

>>54482048
>>54482066
I was referring to the mana rocks, not the lands
Thanks, anyway, I'll try to add more lands

>>54482022
>>54482066
usually the lowest land count you want is 33-34, and that's only in specific circumstances and you know exactly what you're doing. any lower than that and you're going to face a lot of very risky 2-land hands that go nowhere.

my newest rashmi prototype is the only deck where i've gone as low as 33-34, and that's because the deck only needs to get 3 guaranteed land drops, after which it draws about 2-4 cards per turn rotation and will get crazy flooded without a lowish land count

>>54481538
>>54481581
Only problem is Deflecting Palm works on a single source, whereas Blood of the Martyrs can have any number of redirected sources.

>Mad Science set
>CON-FUCKING-TRAPTIONS
>it's an Un-set
Oh well bollocks. Hopefully it at least has some not too far-fetched legends like Frankie Peanuts that you could houserule in EDH

>>54481828
>>54481881
>>54481938
my assessment goes like this

Nath is good if you want to have a tryhard deck that either wrecks everyone's hands by turn 4 or loses. Also has the best answers in its colors

Mono-B has big black mana and other mono-B pecularities (Contamination, etc), and still have plenty of ways to discard people's stuff

Rakdos has the funnest flavor but probably isn't that strong

I'm looking for some help with this deck. I am thinking of getting Dark Depths or Asuza, but probably not both. Also just looking for general nombos I might've missed.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/smug-gitrog-frog/

>>54483007
if you can afford a gaeas cradle, get a crucible of worlds

>>54483111
That's a bit out of my price range. Is Crucible of Worlds better than Dark Depths?

>>54483167
How can you compare a land that does nothing with your strategy to an artifact that's basically vital to abuse your commander?

>>54483223
I suppose you're right. Plus all the Wastelands in the deck will get that much better.

How much of a target do I become with Strip mine and Crucible on the battle field?

>>54483277
I mean i can see why you would be running Dark Depths+Thespian Stage combo since you can tutor it with Hour of Promise but first i would get a Crucible in there. Strip Mine+Crucible even if it makes you destroy only a couple lands a turn get's hated pretty fast, i wouldn't personally run it, if you need LD use a Ghost Quarter to blow up Cradles and Coffers so you people don't think you're a douche.

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>>54480628
You commander is a 3CMC 2/2 ZOMBIE in BW. Getting him back shouldn't be too hard. Consider
Unholy Grotto
Relentless Dead
Sun Titan
Reveillark/Karmic Guide
Sheoldred
Debtor's Knell
Phyrexian Reclamation

>>54480489
Rules Committee dumbfuckery is what dumbfuckery.

>>54483397
I see. Thanks for the advice.

am i dumb or is there another card with sigarda's ability?

>>54483741
Melira

>>54483755
>>54483741
woops thought of solemnity and poison

its Tajuru Preserver

>>54481460
Solitary confinement.

>>54483777
Quick question about stuff like this

If I cast Torment of Hailfire while one of Sigarda or Tajuru is out, would they have to discard or lose 3 life as their only options or would they be able to choose sacrifice every time and not have to sacrifice anything at all?

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>>54483857
>5/1/2012: As a spell or ability an opponent controls resolves, if it would force you to sacrifice a permanent, you just don’t. That part of the effect does nothing. If that spell or ability gives you the option to sacrifice a permanent (as Brain Gorger’s ability does), you can’t take that option.
>5/1/2012: If a spell or ability an opponent controls instructs you to perform an action unless you sacrifice a permanent (as Ogre Marauder does), you can’t choose to sacrifice a permanent. You must perform the action. On the other hand, if a spell or ability an opponent controls instructs you to sacrifice a permanent unless you perform an action (as Killing Wave does), you can choose whether or not to perform the action. If you don’t perform the action, nothing happens, since you can’t sacrifice any permanents.

>>54480531
>I wanna play boros desu
>but the combat step is too main stream for me
maybe you should pick a different fucking color pair then

>>54483899
Thank you kindly, Anon

>>54480573
Shattergang bros goblin/land destruction tribal

>make tokens and sac
>make artifacts and sac
>targeted land destruction

So many options for Chucklefuck Brothers

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Do you guys like to play with Monarch rules?

>>54484670
Yes, it'd be neat if there were more playable cards (other than Queen) to put the monarch card on the table.

>>54484670
"monarch rules" is like saying "planeswalker rules" it's a part of the game where the cards that produce the Monarch Emblem are legal

that said, yes. Boros loves getting cards via combat

>>54484670
i love conspiracy mechanics, wanna build a queen deck one day

>>54484696
>>54484746
There's a playgroup at my FLGS that sometimes does a thing where the player who rolled the lowest at the start begins the game as the monarch.

>>54484670
Yeah, I also like to play with the rule where I get to draw a card after my upkeep.

>>54484826
I like that houserule.
>>54484802
I highly recommend it, I have a friend who plays Queen and she's both very powerful and fun to play against.

>>54484826

starting the game as the monarch is absurdly OP though, you can only lose it through combat damage

>>54484826
I'm gonna propose this houserule next time i play edh with my friends

>>54481460
>>54481538
Are there any other types of spells in Blue, White and/or Red that let me take whatever an opponent intends to do, and turn it against them? Counterspells, duplicating spells, taking control over creatures etc I am aware of - what else is there?

>>54484906
They usually only did it with lower power level decks.

>>54484906
>t. Johnny

>>54484955

do timmy and spikes play 1 drop attackers in edh?

>>54484937
mirror strike
reflect damage
comeuppance
wild ricochet
reins of power

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>>54484973

>>54484906
>you can only lose it through combat damage
>"only"
Oh god no! They can ONLY loose it with the most used and widely spread source of damage in the entire game what will we do now! It's impossible to stop!
seriously though kill yourself

>>54485008
>>54484942
>>54484955
>>54484906
>>54484826

well at the very least its a good way to encourage aggro in edh i suppose

>>54485031

in edh, combat damage doesnt often occur in the first 2 turns, so youre starting the game with an extra free 2-3 cards, with potentially more if you spend some removal on early attackers, seems ridiculous

>>54484973
There'll often be some mana dork or utility creature like Mother of Runes out in the first couple turns, it encourages swinging with that.

>>54479529
>Thread Question
Probably. The real question about Unstable is, will it lives up to the years of hype?

>>54485068
If you're gonna play monarchless monarch, just give it to the person who draws first blood

>>54482311
We could probably see contraptions in a future set. Plenty of Unset mechanics and cards have shown up in black border later down the line.

>>54485227

that seems way less broken but also encourages aggro, seems like a great solution

>>54485237
>5 year minimum to see contraptions in black border on the small chance that they actually decide to put it in black border

I DID MY WAITING
TEN YEARS OF IT

>>54485237

The cheese stands alone on this one

>>54485237
>>54485336
has anything other than cheese gotten a functional reprint from silver to black border?

>>54485384

Nope

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>>54484847
not the same anon, but I bought queen today, any idea how should I build it?

>>54484937
Bribery, search their library for their eldrazi titan and put it into play on your side

>>54485503
Pillowfort politics with a nice Sunforger package.

>>54485503
Superfriends/pillowfort

Fill it with walkers and prisons till you can ult nahiri and drop ulamog

>>54479591
I have a BW cleric deck using both the BW cleric commanders with Partner. A lot of the best clerics are in white, though there's some fun ones in black too. High Priest of Penance, Rotlung Reanimator, Skirsdag High Priest, Dark Supplicant.

But the white clerics are a powerhouse, some are very strong. Pack lots of board wipe, because you can have so many reanimation effects that you can bounce back over and over.

was steamflogger the only card shown today for unstable?

>>54485326
IN DOMINARIA!

>>54480145
The only monoblack clerics deck worth doing is spamming Shadowborn Apostle with Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker as commander

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>>54484973

Yes. Though I don't think my group would be very amused if I also insisted on using Monarch...

>>54485384
The cheese stands alone is the only direct functional reprint iirc, but lots of mechanics have made the jump.

>>54485949
like what? Nothing really comes to mind

>>54485956
Infernal spawn of evil (forecast), the fast snail card I forget the name of (the Pact cycle), BFM (Meld), and more. I saw a list on leddit.

>>54485956
Rocket-Powered Turbo Snail foreshadowed the Pacts

What are good one drop creatures for edh? I have a critical lack of them in most of my decks and they seem to be an easy way to bring down a curve.

>>54486112
mother of runes, serra ascendant, weathered wayfarer, goblin welder, crypbreaker, gravecrawler, spore frog

>>54486112
What color? Some colors kinda have a dearth of them.

>>54486112
In what colors?, utility or aggro? Aside from all the mana dorks there are a few nice utility 1 drops

>>54486112
tons of options for tribal goblin decks, viscera seer and carrion feeder are excellent sac outlets if you have a deck that utilizes that kind of strategy

>>54486145
Cryptbreaker is a really underrappreciated one since it reads as tribal. Glad you remembered him.

>>54486112

Green has tons of mana dorks

>Birds of Paradise
>Llanowar Elves
>Elvish Mystic
>Noble Hierarch
>Elves of Deep Shadow
>Avacyn's Pilgrim

>>54486112

Viscera Seer goes in every black deck.

>>54486145

these are some good ones but i wouldnt cast goblin welder or spore frog on turn 1, so they are slightly different

there are mana dorks, deathrite shaman who is a mana dork but sometimes not really and often much more, there's also dryad militant which is a decent hate effect that isnt bad to have in play turn 1, but you could also save it

>>54486112
Caustic caterpillar is a favorite especially to recour

1 drops that create tokens you get double value with

>>54486112
I love me some Scute Mob

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>>54485008
:^)

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>>54486287
Extra Townends

>>54484937
Desertion, it can permanently steal commanders too

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>>54486145
>>54486157
>>54486184
>>54486194
>>54486219
>>54486231
>>54486246
>>54486256

Thanks for the responses. I was looking for answers accross all colors. Sultai is next deck I'm going to build from scratch. I run queen marchesa but I feel like that list is pretty tight.

>>54485008
>pick related

>>54486112
Arbor Elf
Bloodlust Inciter
Carrion Feeder
Dragonmaster Outcast
Hex Parasite
Mother of Runes
Noble Hierarch
Serra Ascendant
Sylvan Safekeeper
Ulvenwald Tracker
Viscera Seer

>>54486439
There is also a cycle of leveling up 1 drops from RoE that can become more relevant as the game goes on, also warden of the first tree and figure of destiny if you want value

What's some spicy and obscure dragon tech?

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>finally find the comander for me
>no edhrec page

i want to build him copy fun with dragon sub theme

is that viable or is he just going to become a solitaire comander

i allready own the mana base and the key cards of the color

>>54486999
He's going to be Extra_Turns.dek.

>>54487077
:( but i want dragons and fun tec

>>54486999
It's pretty difficult to have an edhrec page when the card has not yet been released

>>54487095
There's a blue enchantment coming out in Ixalan that's the same thing as Conspiracy. Make all your creatures uncounterable dragon shapeshifters.

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>>54481538
>>54481581
>>54484937
Inspired by this discussion, I'd like to create a jeskai deck that is all about drawing strength from the plans and powers of others - if they cast something, I can redirect it or copy it. If they have a nice creature, I can take control of it. If they attack me or a creature I can control, I can either protect myself from that damage or throw that damage right back at them. I spent some time looking into this and have a list of a bunch of cards that may be useful. If you can think of anything else that would be good to look at, let me know. Eventually I will have to extract a deck out of this, and if you think something I have added doesn't go with the theme or is not worth, let me know:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeskai-judo-janks/

>>54485503
Aristocrats

Either you draw extra cards and build up, or you get it back and then feed the token to an altar.

>>54486704
frontier siege
warstorm surge
worldgorger dragon/zirilan mass blink combo

>>54481460
Trigger Brago's ability and flicker some shit

Do you think the Command Zone guys realize they only make samey good stuff decks with little synergy? Or do they think they are actually good deck builders?

>>54487077
>not cantrip.dec where every single cantrip is now a delayed Divination and you get all the buffs two turns in a row for Tron goodness, never running out of gas and drawing 40 cards in one game
>not stax where you make him indestructible and then wipe the board twice with one wrath, making everyone else not play anything because every single turn it gets blasted to bits

>>54486999
I've already built an entire deck and have been proxying him for about a month. I'm still split between spellslinger and Tron.

>>54487271
Considering they build the deck one time, they're likely aware. They need it to get off the ground one time for the cameras, so they stick to what they know works lest their shows become an hour of land screw and draw-go.

GIve me you best Doran decklist guys
please ;_;

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>>54487402
:^)

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I am looking for a new fun and different deck to build. So far I have sheoldred demons+goodies and jarad self mill/1 hit sacs with his ability. I am open to suggestions as long as they are at a decent power level, not very strong or my friends will complain. Thank you all

>>54487315
This is a factor, but an unfortunate truth is most decks are probably "better" with fewer synergies as most are not powerful enough for commander.

>>54487503
Creepy Uncle Karl lifegain.

>>54487503
Shu Yun is fun as fuck and cheap to build since all the Modern cantrips are in green. Make sure to slap Git Probe in there so you can scout players before you swing.

>>54487503
What you consider "fun" and what your friends consider "too strong" are both entirely unknown to us so it's hard to make real suggestions

>>54487594
they think creatures are fun and control is not fun

>>54487612
Yisan. Teach them how wrong they are.

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>>54487503
Derplala dwarf vehicles with mdl

Nothing like wiping the board every few turns before hitting a nigga with a train full of midgets

>>54487642
>hitting a nigga with a train full of midgets
I watched that video.

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Just starting out; well, not really, just getting back into it. Have a big tin of stuff and a few good cards, but only five possible commanders;
Jedit Ojanen of Efrava
Braids, Conjurer Adept
Mirri the Cursed
Raksha Golden Cub
Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer

And a few flip-legendaries, but I am not sure those are kosher, so I'm not throwing them in yet. I'm prolly not going to be shopping around too hard, which might be the most fun to build around in my case?

>>54487712
Wait for the GW cat precon

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>>54487712
hmm out of these maybe Raksha.
Cats have gotten a lot of new cards in the last set

>>54487758
I was considering that as well; I had an artifact deck that I had taken apart and a lot of cards (Like Spinal Tap and Luxidon Hammer) that are laying around, it wouldn't hurt to have a W/U themed deck, but I was also staring at Braids out of sheer morbid curiosity.

>>54487712
Of those probably Braids. If you really want to get into commander without shopping around for singles the Pre constructed decks are really good quality, especially for an official wizards product

>>54487789
How could I use braids to the best of her abilities do you feel?

>>54487712
I'd definitely pick up a precon deck. They usually have a lot of staples and can be easily modified with cards in your collection.

Whenever people JUST use cards from their old collections, they tend to include lots of unplayable jank and don't have a fun time playing against more tuned decks.

>>54487712
Depends which flip legendaries. From Kamigawa, Kuon, Homura, Rune-Tail, and Sasaya are legal. All five Origins Flip Walkers are legal, Ulrich and Avacyn are legal, and Bruna/Gisela are legal.

>>54487802
have scarier things in your hand to drop than your opponents

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>>54487802
Eon hub and a way to bounce it to your hand before your turn each turn like capsize

>>54487802
Big-ass creatures and control magic effects. Also paradox haze. Some good monoblue creatures also have control aspects such as blocking all non-flyers or islandwalkers from attacking, or just straight bounces

>>54487582
Can second Shu Yun. My friend is super cash strapped most days and he has a deadly Shu Yun. You can build the deck with mostly draft chaff combat tricks and prowess critters. The curve/devotion is so low a mostly basic land base will work. Only thing is it can be confusing to resolve triggers sometimes.

>>54487850
Fairnuff.

>>54487836
They are KAmigawa; Ichiga, who topples oaks, and Tobita; master of winds

And apparently four simian spirit guides, even though I've never had a red focused deck in my life.

>>54487802
Phasing

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Just started EDH a few weeks ago, these are what I built. Animar based on Morph creatures, Braids goodstuff, Tribal slivers, and token group hug. Any reccomendations on what to build next? My meta is pretty casual, I want the most interesting/novel concepts I can get

>>54488109
Unfortunately since Budoka Pupil and Student of Elements are non-legendary, Ichiga and Tobita aren't valid commanders, though it's not out of the realm of possibility to houserule it differently. Ask your friends.

>>54488129
what boxes are those and do they hold double sleeved decks?

Never built a commander deck before so I decided I'm gonna re-purpose my current rat deck into a commander deck, since it's probably not that good and would work better in commander.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marrow-gnawer-and-his-army-of-rats/

So what should I change around?

>want to build a deck
>no ABU duals

yeah no thanks

>>54488326

>>54488326
(You)

>>54488326
Mono colored.

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>>54488326

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>>54488304
maybe add some shapeshifter like cards for more tribal support

>>54487437
>kamigawa block
"so what do you want for the art on this card??"
"i dunno just globs of random stuff is fine"

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Does Rafiq need more mana ramp or artifacts ramp or is it okay. Things like mox diamond etc, than dynamo, etc.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rafiq-shall-find-his-seames-and-dreams-v11

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>>54479529
hit me up with some spicy wall tribal tech /tg/

>>54488574
A car to hit one with

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>>54488326
>ABU
>not using alternate 8th edition test prints
Fucking scrub shut your whore mouth, cunt

>>54488574
doran the siege tower, defender tribal instead of treefolk.

>>54488574
Use an effect like Alesha to cheat Wall of Blood into play already attacking and if it gets through pay life until you have lethal

>>54488574
Phenax wall mill

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>>54488622

>we could have had a border like this instead of the ugly ass shit we have now

>>54487712
Jedit has some pretty good jank options for fun. There are actually quite a few cards that will enable you to forest walk against most opponents. Yavimaya dryad, Nyleas presence, lush growth.

Throw in Nature's Cloak if you want all your other green fatties to be unblockable.

>>54488622
I just recently saw two of these in person for the first time. They really are beautiful but they're a pain in the ass to buy and are very expensive. I feel like it is unjustifiable until I own the power 9. 8th edition test is the pimpest set to me though, right up there with Summer.

>>54488722
Considering it currently; worst case scenerio it means I have a second legendary in my deck.

>>54488622
Man that feels so 90s in style. I love it.

>>54488700
The Future Sight border definitely looks like the culmination of the 8th Edition test border.

Instead of the shitty Magic Origins border I would have rather seen them actually update the borders to the Futureshifted ones or something very similar. They're very functional, show some more art, and let you see the mana symbols easier while holding them.

The problem is that wotc has never (except for these tests or "jokes") made border decisions based on things like aesethics or functionality; it's just about saving money on ink.

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>>54488574
Just make sure your walls have at least 1 base power from some kind of effect

>>54488836
A lot of people apparently disliked the special future sight borders. I make an effort to grab any cards with it because it looks great. Same withe the special planar chaos cards.

>>54488416
any you can rec?

>>54488971
search for creature type: Shapeshifter
any creature that has the Changeling ability will count as a rat creature for all tribal effects

see what fits best for you

>>54488928
I don't deny that but people will dislike any chance. I think the futureshifted border at least has functionality to justify it. People would adjust eventually and it's better than the Origins border which people also complain about and it offers nothing except the holograph on rares. The old border will probably always be the best. It feels the most authentic while modern borders are sterile and generic.

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What'd you end up buying/getting in the mail today?

>Locust God
>Darigaaz the Igniter
>Dragonmaster Outcast
>Slumbering Dragon
>Scourge of Valkas
>Dragon Throne of Tarkir
>Wrath
>Scute Mob

>>54489162
Gas bill and a flyer for a local pizza joint

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We could have had this ;_;

>>54489278
What would you do /edh/ if the guy across the table from you starts dropping these lands.

>>54489447
"Hey, those are some cool lands. How much did you pay to get those?" and proceed playing.

Now I know that we're getting a bunch of errata'd Dinosaurs with Ixalan and I'm absolutely gonna build Dino Tribal with them, but do we know anything about Pirates yet?

The few Ixalan Pirates and both of their legendaries look pretty cool so far, especially having a flicker creature in Grixis colors, but do we know if there's also going to be Pirate erratas?

>>54489498
what would there be to errata? im not really thinking about any obvious ones.
plus a lot of pirates are being released in ixalan, weve only seen the rares so far

>>54489534
Allosaurus rider I think is it's name.

It's literally a guy riding an allosaurus, I thinks it's an elf type. Idk about any others, viashino maybe?

>>54489498
>Now I know that we're getting a bunch of errata'd Dinosaurs with Ixalan
[citation needed]

>>54489573
im talking about pirates

>>54489588
an MTG R&D person said so on twitter forgot his name

>>54489498
Pirates probably wont have a special subtype just their race, old lizards will need to be errata'd as dinos

>>54489577
Not him, but go look at the Ixalan announcement.

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>>54489573
the creature in Allosaurus Rider is the rider. The rider is an elf. Armored Wolf-Rider isn't a wolf, why would that one be a dinosaur?

>>54479668
That's the main reason I want to believe it's Rogues or Wizards, not Clerics. Whiteless Clerics is weird and White in every single deck is equally weird (assuming, of course, Mardu vampires).

>>54489577
https://twitter.com/kellydigges/status/875016198789804032

>>54489534
There's probably some rogues and ocean related stuff out there that could be qualified as Pirates.

>>54488836
Imagine trying to fit the ultimatums on the future borders. It was mainly a design limitation.

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Does pic related have a home in GBx decks that go wide, like Sidisi, Hapatra, Mazirek, Nath, etc?

>>54489788
Absolutely. Probably my favourite green card in HOU.

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>>54489447
The same thing I do when someone drops any other kind of land.

>>54489788
I'm trying it out in my Anafenza hatebears list, seems weak but playable, and I needed to replace an underperforming Ob Nixilis planeswalker. I've yet to draw it though.

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>>54489278
I'm so glad we don't. The frame reminds me of the shitty E-Reader pokemon cards.

>5 Naya commanders
>only 1 of them is a giant creature
>it's a mediocre dragon
I can't wait for Gishark.

>>54490373
at least Mayael exists to enable giant creatures

>>54490373
>Gahiji
>Uril
>not giant creatures

>>54488212
Ultra Pro 2-Piece 150 Count Clear Card Storage Box
And yes, it does. They're perfect for edh, the commander can clearly show through, no fucking with labels or remembering box art

>>54490395
>5 mana 4/4 go wide
>5 mana 5/5 Auras
>giant
Those guys are cheap as fuck and have tiny asses.

>>54490439
wow dude 6 mana 6/6 go wide, that's fucking hugest

>>54488358
>>54488395
>>54488622

>having to completely abandon a format because I don't want pay $250 for a land

>>54487122
locust god was on there since it's leak
think before you talk stupid nigger

>>54490395
Voltron is garbage and 4/4 is not giant

>>54490458
That's exactly why I'm upset about the lack of stuff.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-07-17-kalemne-voltron/

Mind taking a look at this and pointing out what seems out of place?

>>54490501
You said that Rith is huge, while Uril is somehow not.

>>54490498
No shit it's garbage, you settled for that when you picked RWx.

Is a Leviathan tribal possible?

>>54490584
Forgot to add: And if so, who's your Commander

>>54490083
>The same thing I do when someone drops any other kind of land.
My good gentleman of African descent.

>>54490584
>>54490599
Too few leviathans for straight tribal, but sea monsters in general can work. Walker Teferi can do big mana, or just stitch them together with Geralf.

>>54490584
It's about as "possible" as Angel or Demon tribal, in that there is no real tribal theme other than "creature of that type in the same deck".
You'd basically need to somehow either ramp into your big stuff (which is pretty hard in mono-U as you'll have to play a ton of rocks and ramp artifacts) or play a control game to just slow everyone down to your speed.

As for Commanders, some good ones include:
>Animar
Gives you Blue for Leviathan, Green for Ramp and Red for removal and combat bullshittery. Also makes your stuff way cheaper
>Kefnet
Would fit with the control build, easily refills your hand and is in worst-case a good defender to buy you time.
>Sun Quan
SUPER Janky BUT making all your gigantic Leviathans unblockable is fucking great.
Also, nobody expects him.
>Surrak
Pretty obvious. Same color reasons as Animar, but protects your shit and makes you hit harder.
>Jhoira
She cheats shit in. That's all.
>Jalira
Can build a Polymorph Tribal deck with her and just keep saccing tokens to cheat Leviathans in
>Braids
Also cheating into play (pretty obvious that those are all good)
>Tromokratis
Great creature and would benefit from tribal cards. Also fluffy.
>Wrexial
Also fluffy and lets you run a milling sub-theme
>Zegana
Gives you ramp access and draws you a million cards. Great shit.
>Lorthos
You plan to go big with blue and he's amazing in that.
>Thassa
You'll have plenty of devotion all the time and Scry helps avoiding to draw small stuff you don't want later on. Also, unblockable.

I'd personally go for Zegana or Thassa. As >>54490780 said, Teferi is also good for it but you should go sea monsters instead of just Leviathan.

>>54489447
scream internally

>>54490856
What about Sidisi?
Mill and reanimator sub-theme.

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>go to FLGS
>ask about commander decks
>"they're on preorder for $28, want the dragon one?"
>request the mostly unknown 4th tribe

Am I an absolute madman for preordering this?

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thank god for tcgplayer's 'cart optimization' feature for allowing me to get the best deals possible

the extra ~68 dollars is really worth it to reduce the number of packages and get 100% verified products

>>54491058
I'm sure you'll be very pleased when it turns out to be Homosexuals tribal

>>54491000
True, Sidisi Reanimator could also work, though at that point you'd probably just want to play a Reanimator Goodstuff deck that would probably be severely weakened by having the sea monsters in there instead of toolbox things.

>>54491058
The precons have always been pretty solid, even if the themes are weak this year. 28 bucks isn't bad at all. It's clerics.

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>>54491084
I doubt that, Kynaios, Tiro, and Alesha were printed in last year's commander decks. Too soon to reprint imo

>>54491115
i want to say you're wrong but murphy's law says you're right

>>54491109
Fair point.
One last things, which subtypes besides leviathan and kraken should i look for sea giants on magiccards.info?
Any other octopi besides Lorthos?
I'll report with a decklist as soon as I'm done.

>>54491115
I doubt it. It doesn't seem like it will have white in its identity, and having clerics tribal without white doesn't make any sense, like having dragons without red

>>54491174
Kraken
Leviathan
Serpent
Whale
Fish
Octopus
Maybe Elemental
Those are pretty much all Ocean related creature types in blue.

>>54491313
Again, Thanks.
Have an exceptional day, Anon!

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>>54491193
It's entirely possible, but

-they specifically stated the colors won't be balanced

-it wouldn't be the first time the art colors didn't match the mana colors

-that pose totally looks like a group of cultists performing a ritual

-many black ritual-related card arts feature a purple glow - see the new versions of pic related or Beacon of Unrest

>>54490856
Are you the guy that did the guild commanders analysis? Do you have an Izzet one?

>>54491356
You're welcome, glad to help.
Good luck brewing.

>>54491441
Sorry to disappoint but I'm not that anon and didn't even see any of that. Would've liked to see those analysis myself. Best I could probably do would be what everyone else could and just go through a list of Izzet options and list how each of them can be used for that guild combination.

>>54490856
Here's my list, using Ikra and Thrasios partners. I'm meaning to add ramp into it, the commander used to be Wrexial.

>>54490856

im an idiot heres the list
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/f-i-s-h-b-o-y-s/

>>54486999
Use dovescape and try and work in some strong sphinxes. Dragons are okay but I'm unsure what exists for them in uw

>>54491115
I think it's going to be wizards. They only have azami as an option, and they have no traditional Lords. I want a general that makes all my wizards into muscle wizards, shit would be so cash.

Is Xenagos an acceptable commander? The more I look for new deck ideas the better I like him.

>>54491759
Why wouldn't he be acceptable? Are you talking about the planeswalker? Read the links in the OP if you are new to the format

>>54491759
play whatever you want, who cares?

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What are good R/B Group slug artifact ramp cards
I have
Sold ring
Crypt
Talisman
Mind stone
Mox Opal
Thran Dynamo
Signet
Ever flowing chalice
Grim monolith

Still feels slow though and some mana rocks aren't as efficient than as others. Tbh my curve is quite high.

>>54491805
>>54491815
I meant is he going to be trash or not.
I'm pretty casual but a new edh deck is still at the minimum like $50 and im pretty hesitant on building them until im sure.

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>>54491928
>Sold ring

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>>54491984
Very insightful

>>54491981
whether or not he's trash depends on your meta and the power level of your play group. He's not exactly a mysterious commander, he does exactly what you think he does: lets you ramp and swing in with big dumb monsters. If that sounds appealing to you then there is no reason you can't make it work

>>54491565
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/f-i-s-h-b-o-y-s/
Thanks, I'll take some hints.
Whelming wave is all I ever wanted.

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>>54480261

>if it was a vampire army then black wouldn't make sense.

What are you smoking?

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>>54491984

>>54492200
Why just return creatures to their hands when you can mycosynth lattice + hurkyls recall their entire boad, better yet pop recall on an isocron sceptre and return EVERYONES board to there hand, wash away the trash

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Anyone built a Scorpion God deck they feel is working well?

I traded for one for my collection and am interested in trying to put it together. Seems a fair bit slower than the other two recent gods.

>>54492200
harbinger of the tides has been putting in great work versus voltron decks, and spreading seas is fantastic at shutting down good value lands like cabal coffers. Also, sometimes quicksilver fountain just wins you the game, or at least buys you quite a few turns.

>>54491928
Mandatory mana rocks for a good deck:
Mana crypt
Mana vault
Sol ring
Fellwar stone
all signets in colors
all talismans in colors
mox opal
chrome mox
mox diamond
grim monolith
mind stone or thought vessel (potentially both)
gilded lotus (unless ad nauseam deck)
helm of awakening (if storm deck)
paradox engine

>>54492745
thats not a bad idea, I do have an extra lattice lying around. Thanks mate!

>>54492745
>hurkyls recall
This is my secret tech.
So many people forget about it when building blue, but it's basically an autoinclude for me.
It's only ever weak against golgari decks.

what are the best changelings?

What is some tech against flicker decks in Boros and/or Gruul? I wish to turn every Brago player's ass inside out for eternity. Torpor Orb and Gryff are a thing, but they only neuter creatures and not the more annoying Spine of Ish Sah and similar.

>>54493507
AEther Flash

>>54493507
In Boros you have Containment Priest. Doesn't just neuter flicker decks, it castrates them.

>>54493507
Hallowed moonlight will fuck people the same way containment priest does.

The best part about these cards is just knowing that you have them in the deck. They won't overcommit to blinking everything, whether or not you have them in your hand

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>>54493507
In green there is always this guy, easily searchable and low cmc and makes suspend/flicker players eat their own dicks for breakfast

>>54494071
You do realize that does nothing to brago, right?

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Underrated red cards for EDH?

>>54480365
Moggcatcher/Skyshroud Poacher.
Either would enable a Linn Sivvi styled tutor commander, but with a much wider pool of creatures and tribal permanent options.

>>54493353
Mirror Entity if you're running a weenie/token deck.

>>54491441

I'm not that anon but maybe I can help? I've played a few different Izzet decks in my day, what are you interested in playing?

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>>54491688

I want one that can untap wizards you control to abuse effects like pic related. If it is a wizard deck (definitely seems likely, wizards are popular and don't have a whole slew of options) then I want it to win through activated abilities and spells, just so it's not a "push into the red zone" deck like the cats, dragons, and probably vampires will be.

>>54491425

If it is clerics, it's going to have blue in it. I know colors won't be balanced, but if blue's not in the deck it's going to only be in the 5 color dragons deck, and I have a hard time believing that's what's going on.

while it does look religious, it's worth noting that all of the arts are members of the central tribe sucking up or showing respect to the commander of the tribe, so it's not NECESSARILY clerics, although I think UWB clerics is possible. I'd rather see Rogues or Wizards though.

the deck box also CLEARLY has blue on it. For card art I don't think it's as important, but for the box art, which is one of the first things somebody shopping at a casual store is bound to notice, I think it's possibly more important.

>>54480666
meh.

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Goddamn it! Why does tappedout always decide to take a shit when I'm building decks at unreasonable hours?

>>54494273
if you play blood moon at least two people instantly lose the game.

but the remaining players will kill you...

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>>54494729
I know them feels.

>>54494273
Blood Moon

>>54493627
>AEther Flash
Would be nice if Brago wasn't 4 toughness.
>>54493645
>>54493760
>Containment Priest
Only neuters creatures. They flicker Spine once and Containment Priest is dead.

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>>54494273
My favorite secret tech. Combine with Thieves' Auction for maximum NaCl

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>>54494273
It's too bad damage doesn't use the stack anymore, but this is still hilarious to blitz someone with. Chain Reaction is pretty underused as well.

>>54491625
>dovescape
holy shit thats spicy

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What do you say to someone that wants her as their commander?

>>54495302
Gotta love the look on Karn's face.

>hey guys what's hap-
>oh shit it's that time of day again
>man i gotta stay out of this fucking bar

>>54495365
I'm sorry.

>>54495398
W-why? I'm new to magic.

>>54489447
"Accidentally" spill my diet coke on the table

>>54495365
stop being such a waifufag

>>54481084
>5 color zada
no
you don't know what you are doing

>>54495407
Because Boros as a whole is probably the worst color combo in EDH.

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>>54495433
>2 mono colored partners = 5 colors

>>54495433
Anon stop drinking so much, it's not good for your liver

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>>54495391

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i don't get why riggers are such a meme
somone explain

I wanted to make use of the new White Zombies from Amonkhet, so I decided to make a Esper Zombie deck. Unfortunately, there are no good Zombie Esper commanders. Only 2 that actually benefit the deck are Zen Triplets (Which benefits any deck) and Oloro (Because of the lifegain) But neither actually works with the deck.

Is it worth splashing into Red so I can use Kraum, Ludevic's Opus and Ravos, Soultender as the commanders? I like the idea of those two as one fuels the deck, the other is fueled by the deck. On paper, all of the Zombie love buffs Kraum up to be horrifying, meaning that Commander damage is a viable wincon.

On the other hand, there is fuck all in the way of Red zombies (A few exceptions like Neheb and Grixis Grimblade) and almost nothing in the way of other red cards I want to use in the deck.

What would you guys recommend?

>>54495365
Go big or go home.

Does anyone else find it really difficult to resist the most degenerate versions of their decks?

I built a Captain Sisay deck and really enjoyed being able to tutor for so many different things each turn. Then I added Paradox Engine and I just slowly morphed the deck around Engine. Now it's just a combo deck that wins the first turn you untap with Sisay out.

I just don't like the feeling that I'm not playing the best version of a deck but I don't really have a place to play competitive EDH in my town.

>>54496016
I don't think I will ever find anything more fun then winning, no matter how intense the game. I'd rather win a quick forgettable 30 minute game then barely lose an epic 2 hour match.

>>54484670
the grammar on that card

jesus fuck wizards get it together

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How can I use this? She's /fa/ af

>>54496232
She's pretty open-ended. One popular thing is to lock down the table with Stax effects and use her to make mana.

>>54496439
Let's pretend I'm new to magic and don't know what that means and google isn't helping.