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>people only TALKS about cacharodons and CSM
>Never was one army posted
>Patrician Imperial players post their glorious army everyday

>>54476391
I wonder how much the grenade launcher will cost. Hopefully not more than 5-7 points.

>Because it look like if you KNOW you are playing against marines there is NO reasons to ever field intercessor instead of Hellblasters for shooting.

Intercessors are the most efficient method of getting MEQ wounds onto the field now that they're 18 each with a pretty good all rounder gun.

Being troops is a big deal as far as detachments go and they're actually not shit as naked MSU tax since they'll still be pretty useful unlike 5 naked bolter marines.


This is honestly the same question as why you wouldn't just take devastator squads instead of tactical squads.


>Reiver also look like they btfo Intercessor in every other way.

Uh, trade AP-1 and 6" of range for deep strike? Reivers are also elite which limits them a bit.

>Le obsec meme
>The standard tacticals wont be here by turn 6. Especially if tbe oponent as hellblasters instead of Intercessors.

I really encourage you to try playing a game before committing yourself to meme builds based on just shooting effectiveness.

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>>54476391
202 points in bolter/Gatling mode + fist.
You could get 3 Redemptors for each 2 Leviathan

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Press F to pay respects.

>>54476431
F

>>54476431
Yooz oomie's will all become Nobz now. Gud fer yooz!

>>54476424
fuck that thing looks sexy, I am not going to be able to resist buying one for much longer

>>54476431
Fuck you. This is just pandering to the primaris fuckbois, from the point of view of a fucking PRIMARIS marine, which exist to sell kits to prepubescent boys. GW will never get rid of the classic marines, there's too much history behind them. They're too iconic. Kill them off and you kill the golden goose.

>Because it look like if you KNOW you are playing against marines there is NO reasons to ever field intercessor instead of Hellblasters for shooting.

5 hellblasters at 30" will do 2.22 MEQ wounds without overcharge, equal points of intercessors at the same range will do 1.67 with bolt rifles or 2.22 with stalker rifles.

Overcharged they'll do 2.78 D2 wounds.

So you get a pretty marginal increase in damage per point but you get big utility against enemy vehicles, which is a big deal.

>>54476367
God damn it how?

Im tempted to run the numbers to prove it.

Unless they are talking point for point, but thats a silly argument as following that reasoning conscripts and grots are the kings of the castle.

>>54476451

>denial-filled assmad manlet marine fagboy detected
Primaris are the future, get fucked faggot.

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>>54476451
>GW will never get rid of the classic marines, there's too much history behind them.
Of course they wont.
they'll be in what we call "SoB stasis" for 20 years.
In the next 2 books they will also probably be not cannon for first founding chapters somce all death are replaced by Primaris.

I bet in a couple years their will be a Codex : Primaris.

Sales Have already plummeted for all flgs around me. SM WAS the golden goose, now its the primaris.

>>54476466
I also remember that, let me check

How much disadvantage would I suffer if I prefer not to use Intercessors (or any other Primaris at all)? When stuck with regular Tactical for Troop I mean.

>>54476496
Not much.

>>54476496
Tacticals are still good mate, they can use special weapons and have a vast range of compatible models for synergy.

>>54476496
literally none, they swap tactical flexibility for +1W +1Atk as far as I can see.

Their Reivers and Interceptors do look like they can be very effective however, so I wouldnt disregard them.

However, im yet to play against either of those units so my take is purely book based.

>>54476451
>GW will never get rid of the classic marines, there's too much history behind them. They're too iconic. Kill them off and you kill the golden goose.
Is this what marinelet players look like in the first stage of grief?

Non-Primaris Marine sales are already plummeting.

I had a store manager tell me his sales of Space Marines went down 90% between the time the Primaris were announced and now.

They're not the golden goose anymore. Their days ARE numbered.

>>54476496

>using manlets

Will be literally useless once the codex hits.
Enjoy being the new laughing stock of 40k

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>>54476451

>>54476512
>they swap tactical flexibility for +1W +1Atk as far as I can see.
The "tactical flexibility" thing is a meme. You don't actually NEED to take special and heavy weapons in the same squad as your bolter dudes when you have stuff like Helblasters available to handle those roles now, and having weapons with -1 or -2 AP also helps make up the difference.

>>54476451
>This is just pandering to the primaris fuckbois
Of course? they've found a way to get people to re-buy their marine armies.

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>>54476424
nice try, but My sM snowflakes chapter is only composed of units with PRIMARIS in the name.

I'll wait for the PRIMARIS Leviathan

Just out of curiousity, can non-'easy to build' Primaris swap weapons and body parts like standard Marines?

>>54476540
I agree with what you're saying to a degree, but I think its useful to have things like Missile launchers and flamers in squads. Or Meltaguns and Multimeltas.

>>54476431
As someone who doesn't really play SM I do like this from a fluff perspective and hope this'll arouse some conflict later on.

>>54476553
Primaris terminators

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So I'm forcing myself to paint up 1000pts of my Storm Hawks Marines and Kabal Dark Eldar before buying any more damn plastic men.

Think I've more or less figured out my Marines list barring a few changes once I get my hands on the Codex, but could use some advice on the DEldar.

>Archon with Blaster
>Sslyth x 2 88
>Medusae x 2 56
>Reavers x 8 with 2 Blasters and 2 Grav Talons
>Venom with Splinter Cannon
>Raider with Dark Lance
>Trueborn x 5 with 2 Blasters and 2 Dark Lances
>Trueborn x 5 with 2 Blasters and 2 Splinter Cannons
>Scourges x 5 with Shardcarbines

The Archon and his buds hang out in the Raider with the Dark Lance Trueborn, and the other Trueborn Squad gets in close with the Venom.

I'm most unsure about the Reavers; they're pretty expensive but I like the models so I'd like to use them. Are they best used with Painbringer to eat up damage or the +1 Attack Drug to give me some melee punch?

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>>54476512
>says like tactical flexibility matters
>in motherfucking 8th edition

Primaris Sisters!

>>54476567
They'll probably reveal the PRIMARIS Terminators with the Deathwing and PRIMARIS bikers with Ravenwing with booklet like the Reiver/agressor one to use them in other chapters.

I could see PRIMARIS Assault Squad with BA, and A PRIMARIS flyer early next year

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>>54476601
I wouldn't mind this being a thing, have Cawl apply a modified treatment to the Sisters to give them some new elite cuties

>>54476557
Looks that way from the sprues, the reivers are just begging for magnets given their options

Anyone give this a speedread yet?

Any other Inq characters show up besides the cover boys?

>>54476424
the Anvilus Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, and Missile Deredeo is also only 232, 2 more wounds, a 5++ and BS2+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q52YY2rg9k

Chapter tactics really make a huge difference. Infinite rerolls make high-damage weapons that much stronger.

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>>54476514
>I had a store manager tell me his sales of Space Marines went down 90% between the time the Primaris were announced and now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9hagVL-__c

I refuse to buy into the chadmarine movement, but I also refuse to field my boys when they can't possibly win. Looks like my brothers are on the way to retirement...

>>54476643
>mwg
fuck off faggot

>>54476646
Wait, are Marinelets actually BAD on the table?

>>54476646
>but I also refuse to field my boys when they can't possibly win
Why can't they? Still plenty of good stuff in the manlet marine lists.

>>54476624
Wait for the Anvilus PRIMARIS :)

>>54476466
If you run the math, run the math for Agressors too.
They look cheap for what they do..

So how long before all the old SM named characters are OOP?
Calgary doesn't have a purpose at this point.

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>>54476646
Primaris rollout in bulk and replace the marines in every chapter, all the old marines are shunted to the bodybag unit collectively known as Deathwatch or fall to Chaos due to Gully's arrogance in disrespecting them.

I like the Primaris for reasons like this, they highlight just how fragile the Imperium is.

>>54476692
bahhhhhh.

God dang it, looks like im running the math.

So what units are vs what

>>54476646
>not fielding them anyways for a glorious last stand
Do you even Space Marine brah?

Those imgur previews aren't clear enough to read, unless I'm doing something wrong

>>54476720
He should challenge everyone he can, and roll for any casualties after using the table in Shadow War. Then, keep fighting, even as his army dwindles and some models are retired as actually dying in battle. Play until his force is completely tabled by a vastly superior force, then box them away forever.

>>54476557
yeah. in one of the first articles about them kitbashing with the devestators kit was mentioned.

I only wish that Redemptor prego-belly is not built-in to torso, and I can choose not to glue it on.

Fellow Marines players, if you MSU 5-men Tac squads, would you give them a special weapon or a heavy weapon?

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>>54476775
wish granted.

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>>54476719
Hellblaster/Agressor HB/Intercessor Shooting against :

Redemptors
Repulsors
Standard Marines
Terminators
Predators

>>54476790
depends if I plan to use them as front line or back field units.

stuff thats going to be moving up the field get special. stuff i want to sit back and camp an objective get a heavy weapon.

>>54476716

>Implying primaris are not a chaos ploy
>Implying Cawl has is not just another name for Fabius Bile

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>>54476719

>>54476736
They aren't. The ttgamingdiary faggot deliberately took bad pics.

>>54476822
Wait, they are not TEQ? I'm surprised.

>>54476840
no its devastators

>>54476840
Gravis armor gives +1 T. Same as the captain from Dark Imperium.

>>54476840
They are centurion/HB devastator

>>54476822

So Inceptors are superior?

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>>54476719

>>54476757
If he really doesn't see any more sense in playing his army, then yes.
Alternatively, he could man up and keep playing because he likes his models. Someone should post the image of this one Fantasy player who never changed his army.

>>54476840
we already knew gravis armour was +1T instead of 2+ save. it shouldnt be surprising.

>>54476852
Mmm depends.
If those guys remain stationary they can shoot TWICE, and they are cheaper than Inceptors.
Not the same use i guess

>>54476646
That's it. I'm naming my chapter Outer Heaven.

And its battle-barge Outer Haven.

I'm looking at a review of the space marine codex, and it seems to me that the primaris stuff is severaly lacking in ranged anti-tank. Almost all their weapons are D1 or D2.

>>54476875

True. But at 18", enemy units can just walk outside their range.

>>54476662
>m-mwg

kys

Also, Salamader reroll is actually really strong with reroll 1s aura.

>>54476892
If melee armies just walk outside my range im pretty happy desu.

>>54476892
park them on an objective and the enemy will come to you.

>>54476889

Hellblasters easily fill an AT role.

>>54476889
Repulsor can equip like 5 lascannon.
But yes right know, they lack AT.
They'll get them in 2018

Alright so what are the best oblivion mods

>>54476889
Repulsor, Hellblasters, and Redemptor Pregnought will be enough.

>>54476840
Not surprising, the Gravis Captain is also T5 3+. I'm more surprised at the W2.
Agressors are already kinda shit (though cheap), W2 isn't exactly helping them.

>>54476905
But they need a captain to babysit them and are still just damage 2. And the heavy plasma is only heavy 1. That means if they use that, and overcharge, a squad of 5 will at most do 10 wounds. That seems low, they can't bring anything heavier than a rhino down.

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>>54476892
I play on board where anything past range 20" is useless.
Agressor look perfect for City Fighting

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>Play Guard.
>Completely outgunned facing a Dark Angels player abusing Darkshroud and assassins.
>Strategically outplay my opponent. End up ~8 points ahead.
>Still lose because of 2 lucky rolls that destroy my last unit because the game went on for 2 turns longer than it should have.
I wish killing the opponent's army was only worth 3+D3 (or 3+d6). Getting a free win for ignoring objectives is fucking stupid.

>>54476898
>>54476902
You can pretty easily go straight past a 18" range with some melee units. The double overwatch helps, but I wouldn't bring them just for that.

>>54476902

Or a key piece of terrain to raise their save?

>>54476924
yeah but they cant release 15+ primaris unit at the same time.
Wait a year and they'll have flyers, AT, Terminators etc.

Does anyone have the pics from yesterday that showed from close the Primaris with the grenade launcher, the chaplain and the apothecary?

>>54476928
okay the melee unit chargemake a >18" charge to catch my Agressor without overwatch.
They killed 120 points of agressor and I can shoot at them.
Agressor are 120points/minsquad.
Its NOTHING in a 2k points list.

>>54476913
that and the dread basically has a heavy D6 lascanon

>>54476928
Yeah some can, not the majority tho

>>54476927
I sure hope you rerolled on your roll for the game to end. You do alternate.

Has anyone leaked all the relics/strategems?

where the fuck are the point cost leaks? I can't believe no one has leaked them yet.

>>54476935
I'd be fine with this, as long as Space Marines still get some updates, like an updated Terminator sprue and at least some love from FW.

>>54476975
Yes, days ago.

>>54476959
No, it doesn't. The plasma gun on the dread is D1/D2 with d6 shots.

>>54476913
It can take one (1) twin lascannon and a las talon, which a is a twin lascannon, but with 24" range. That's worse than a land raider.

>>54476944
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/codex-space-marines-has-landed/

>>54476955
I'd just rather use an intercessor squad to camp an objective.

>>54476998
to each their own I guess.

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>>54476981
>playing with points
More seriously, this is all we have right now.

>>54476965
Nope, random third person rolled a 5 both fucking times. "Because having a third person do it is only fair."

>>54477002
I already saw that one. I want to see the new point cost of intercessor, hellblaster and inceptors. A lot of people have been saying that they got their cost reduced by a 10%.

Does the Primaris Chaplain or Apothecary have new rules or only stat upgrades?

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>>54476646
Come now brother, there are other paths than the slow death, other gods than the emperor, there is still hope...

>>54476987
Has it been posted anywhere but the OP? That imgur preview was made for ants.

>>54477026
>falling to Chaos because daddy (or uncle, I guess?) doesn't love you anymore
You know, not everyone's a ninny like the Word Bearers

>>54477002
>Aggressor -25
>auto boltstorm gauntlets -14
>fragstorm grenade launcher -4
43

Did I have that right or do you pay 14 points per gauntlet? (57)?

>>54477026

Seriously though, how cool would it be if the majority of SM players went renegade to spite Guillimarines?

>>54477026
Aaaand it would be hilarious if GW releases larger and taller CSM.

>>54477036
"Space Marines codex" on youtube, forst video

>>54476798
Will post tomorrow or late tonight. Gonna play a game of aoe2 before doing it all.

>>54477045
you got that right

>>54477045
>gauntlet's'

>>54477037
Yes, some marines just fall to Chaos because they really, really like cocaine

>>54477045
No, you got that right, it's plural, after all.

>>54476472
8th Ed being quite good is a problem for GW, faggot. if I wanna play classic 40K, from now on I will be always able to do so via 8th Ed, meaning I don't need your Primaris marines, nor any future editions, unless you have something really worthwhile that can't be converted back into 8th Ed.

So, yeah, try to phase classic marines out. See if you can make us abandon them.

>>54476994
Thanks

>>54476515
the codex has hit, we know the stats and point costs via winter SEO review. classic marines are here to stay.

>>54477045
It's pretty much their saving grace. If they were 57 it still be kinda okay, but as is their low cost saves them from the garbage heap.

>>54476560
lascannons, buddy. you bring lascannons and combi-plas for your backfield objective holders

>>54477087
57 with double the shot would be more than OK

>>54477016
stats

>>54476588
>it's literally the name of a stratagem
>in """"motherfucking"""" 8th edition

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>>54477049

Have you not seen the size of the DG?

>>54476926
>I play on board where anything past range 20" is useless.

So it is Manticore Heaven?

>>54477107
wow manlets really look bad now

1.500 points of genestealers

Battalion
- Primus
- Iconward
- Iconward
- 10 Neophytes, 2 Granade Launchers, Mortar
- 10 Neophytes, 2 Granade Launchers, Mortar
- 10 Neophytes, 2 Granade Launchers, Mortar
- 5 Aberrants, 2 picks, 3 hammers
- 5 Aberrants, 2 picks, 3 hammers
- Rockgrinder with incinerator, demolition charges
- Rockgrinder with incinerator, demolition charges

Supreme Command
- Patriarch
- Magus, 1 Familiar
- Magus, 1 Familiar
- 15 Purestrains

The neophytes will be either sitting ducks on objectives, with the iconwards spread out between them or come in as ambushes depending on the situation.
The magi are deployed in the rockgrinders with the aberrants, rushing forward.
Patriarch and purestrains will ambush.
The primus may be used to either bring a neophyte unit where I want it to go, or appear as extra buff alone later on in the game, whereever I might need him (if the dice are on my side)


Thoughts?

>>54476643
watched it. Salamanders and IF chapter tactics are nowhere nearly venely matched. it's absurd.

>>54476671
Girlyman and Devastator spam is amazing

>>54477108
this and vultures.
And triflamers suits.
But it balances out since orks for example get freaking NUTS on city boards.

>>54477107
Weren't the Deathwatch marines also already a little taller?

>>54476704
again, people will never stop playing with some of their fave minis. if necessary they'll revert to 8th ed rules to play with them.

>>54477114
what are you doing against something that flies? not talking about spam, but just like 2 flyers in a standard army

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Hey guys, does anyone here play this?
Since it's on sale right now, I was thinking of getting it + season pass (which includes everything on the dlc list for a fraction of the cost), but it'd be better if I knew there were some bros I could play with.
I picked this over regular Talisman, which has more players, because the price difference between their season passes is huge. The price of this one is just a third of Talisman Fantasy's and I honestly find the 40k art and theme more interesting plus I'm not completely sure how much I'd like the gameplay to spend that much on it.

>>54477095
If only they included shoulder-mount Lascannons on BaC or BoP

I just don't like FW underslung lascannon.

>>54476757
>handrubbing intensifies

>>54477069
COCAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!

>>54476671
Not at all. Even fucking tacticals have a purpose now, what with split fire being a thing.

>>54477131
Good point.
Probably pray to the dice gods for now.
Though I don't usually encounter a lot of flyers in my local meta.

>>54477053
No straight up stills or pictures yet?

>>54476790
depends entirely on their purpose in overall army composition. i have 2 5 man squads with lascannons and combi-plasma in my backfield, softening up the approaching enemy before my deepstrikers land and wreck shit. but if you have forwardgoing assbacks, give them, say, combi-flamer and flamer for anti-horde duty.

>>54477122
>But it balances out since orks for example get freaking NUTS on city boards.

How so? Lobbas are shit, and forcing the boys to cover ~25% more distance due to impassable buildings and such (while indirect fire is raining down on them) sounds like a sub-optimal scenario. Then the enemy bottlenecks the horde and it is all ogre.

Ordered a bunch of guardsmen to bubblewrap my Marines, they havent even arrived yet but the Chapter Tacts thing i'm not sure its even worth it anymore. I could take 3x 5 man marinlet Tacs and get a 3x Guardsman unit Battalion for extra CP, though. Relic rule is also making me take more elites and heavies than i want, too!

>>54476349
How does an Alpha Legion Marine disguise as a Space Wolf?

>>54477175
I guess it's because anything shooty will have a harder time dealing with them, due to line of sight and cover bonuses.

>>54477181
Step #1 google furry cosplay
Step #2 ???
Step #3 profit!

>>54477175
you say this like lots of army have acces and field >1k of indirect fire.

>>54477046
When I was in primary school I would have thought it was pretty cool too

Does GW normally sell out of nearly every model with a new edition, or has this been a very successful launch?

>>54477193
>cover bonuses.
guess imperial fists arent entirely useless after all

Can a character be fired at when while he is not the closest unit to the firer distance-wise, but closest unit that can be fired at due to the actual closest unit is in melee, behind the wall, etc?

How to counter WAAC fags charging up hoards of genestealers?

>>54477208

It's actually largely because of production issues.
They lost a bunch of employees in that area right before the launch of 8th.
That, combined with the success of 8th, has caused global distribution problems.
We're only getting about 40% of the stuff we order from GW. Some things we've been waiting on for like 2 months.

>>54477193

Most of the shit that really hurts orks are either artillery (not bothered by LoS) or short-ranged. And +1 save from cover won't matter a lot for orks, especially if arty comes raining down.

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>>54477175
Simple, you dont set up the "city" diagonally.
I can guarentee most of your 120boys can easily footslog the whole thing. Unless triflamer suit and shit... and thats exactly where the game is interesting.

For example Pic related is really bad.
it just adds flavor but the buildings have little to no use in the game because of the fuckhuge streets

>>54477251
I meant to say that you need to set up the City Diagonally instead of like pic related

>>54477240
Motion seconded. My main opponent always uses huge globs of Genestealers with a Broodlord and the Swarmlord. No avoiding death by edibility and I need help.

>>54477266

Flyer spam

>>54477251
Is that a drop pod crashed on rooftop or something?

>>54477202

NPCs obviously don't count, and Chaos can stay cucked for all I care.

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>>54477175
depends on the boards

>>54477205
If all my minis were about to get squatted, I'd do it.

I don't really read the books but what do CSM's think of the new chadmarines?

Are their jimmies rustled?

>>54476927
>Guard
>Outgunned
>By Marines
What are you even doing?

>>54477277
Where do you see a drop pod anon? Admittedly though, it would be a nice way to get Space Marines in. Just drop them right through the roof.

In some stream they stated that normal Marines could be upgraded to Primaris, so the Characters and such wouldn't be replaced. Have they repeated that statement anywhere?

>>54477275
And if I dont own flyers/ dont want to build a flyerspam list?

Im also wanting to hear if other people are having these problems too, or if Nids are easy and Im an idiot

>>54477251
>Simple, you dont set up the "city" diagonally.

How does this help? If you set up a maze of buildings then the boys will only suck dino cock even more from retarded angles of approach as they have to dance around corners instead of funneling down straight on the street and get stuck in.

And, of course, it still doesn't address the artillery problem.

>>54477118
>watched it. Salamanders and IF chapter tactics are nowhere nearly venely matched. it's absurd.

Sallies should have one reroll for both hit and wound, or IF should get 5+++.

>>54477266
as someone else said, flyers, flamethrowers and lots of shots.

>>54477303
No, they like them as battlebrothers and are proud of having them

>>54477235
if the closest unit is vivible, he can't be fired at. so position your attackers correctly or block their line of sight.

>>54477315
How about you tell us what fucking army you are running?

Also, genestealers are countered by throwing lots of S5 AP- D1 their way.

>>54477287

That table is filled with bottlenecks and narrow corridors.

>>54477312
Building on the very center. Technically I see a bottom of the drop pod

>>54477303
>Chaos Lord Ulbak the merciless comes ever close to Lord Guiliman
>As he closes in, he lowers his weapons
>"Must be quite the strategy this traitor has planned out", thinks Guiliman to himself
>Lord Ulbak stands still before Guiliman..."Yo dude, I'm all for the whole "Death to the false Emperor" thing, but trying to one-up your father by trying to improve on his works? That's just disrespectful! Shame on you! Shame!"

>>54477334
Ive got orks and nurgle chaos, but not a lot of each. Were both starting out, and the first thing hes bought are genes, a broodlord and the swarmlord, and he runs them almost every game

>>54477314
GW mentioned marines could be upgraded to primaris more than a month ago but I don't remember if it was on a community entry or a twitch stream.

>>54477240
ironclads, flamer bikes, deepstrikers with enough dakka. most importantly:
>cheap screening units.

>>54476475
Is there a wargaming version of this meme?

When targeting a character where does it say that he needs to be the closest VISIBLE unit and not just the closest?

Is Bob worth 360pts? I'm not sure how many units I can cram in 6" of him.

Also, he can't seems help Deep Strikers or assault units, but making him sitting on the back with gunliners would be a waste of his melee ability too I think.

Can someone enlighten me?

>>54477381
he should cost closer to 450...

>>54477365

Pg 179 of the rulebook or Pg 4 of the free rules in the CHARACTERS infobox

>>54477354
>>54477275

Windriders it is. Thanks.

>>54477365
Right in the section where it explains that rule.

>>54477381
"Within 6"" means a 15"+ bubble given robout base.
Thats absolutely huge.
Also a songle bolter devastator in range would give the rerolls to all the other Lascannnon devastators in the unit, even out of the bubble.

Which would be the best heavy-weapon platform among these?
> Mortis/Contemtor Mortis
> Predator
> Devastators
> Centurions

>>54477350
feed him some cheap unit that is sure to die the turn he charges. then counter-charge with your real ork mob and take out the critters.

>>54477436
depend which heavy weapons you want and the rest of the list.

Is Magnus worth 410pts? I'm not sure how many units i can murder in six turns.

Also, he can't seem to tank entire army worth of shooting when i plop him in smack middle of enemy army, but not having him sit back to give other TSons aura would be waste of his buffing ability, i think.

Can someone enlighten me?

>wraithlord gets charged by a pack of genestealers, hormagaunts, and rippers
>overwatches them all to death

HOLD THE LINE

>>54477449
nice meme but magnus sucks.

>>54477448
4 Lascannons or Heavy Bolters equivalent.

>>54476557
>Just out of curiousity, can non-'easy to build' Primaris swap weapons and body parts like standard Marines?

We don't know yet because the kit hasn't been seen yet. It's a safe bet though.

>>54477461
>4 Lascannons
looks like you want a Dual Stormcannon Leviathan dread.

on those, probably the Autocannon pred with 2 lascannon sponsons.

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What factions are most balanced this edition so far?

>>54477486
AdMech.

>>54476329
Question.
Charging a unit from 9". Can they overwatch with flamers?

>>54477486
I feel like my Dark Eldar have really come to town this edition. Certainly better than they were in 7th, but not broken or stupid-combos that wreck anything; none that Ive used yet anyways

>>54477493
No, range still applies in overwatch.

>>54477351
Multiple times over multiple platforms I believe

>>54477493

Nope.
It's stupid, but if the charging unit is beyond the range of the overwatch weapon, the weapon is completely useless.

>>54477493
Nope.

>>54477493
So why do flamers exist when they can't either shoot when the unit 9" DStriked or overwatch when enemy unit (possibly DStrike and) charge from 9" away?

>>54477521
Please go away with your stupid questions.

>>54477471
Would spam those but Relic rule gimps your options a little

>>54477521

Because this is the most playtested edition ever.

>>54477521
To deter players from making easier charges.

Is the Dark Eldar codex out? Can't find anything on it.

Played a guy at LGS who insisted he'd seen it and was using it legally.

He pulled. Off some dodgy stratagems and had some OP relics so I'm worried that he was lying.

>>54477556
People cant be this dumb right?

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Why would anyone use a Chainsword and a Bolt Pistol, rather than a Chainsword and a Boltgun ?

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>>54477502
>>54477508
>>54477513
Thanks senpai

>>54477556
......What.

No. Literally no Codexes are out yet. Space Marines is the first one and just went on pre-order today.

How the hell did you fall for this. Have you been living under a rock, bro?

>>54477556
He was a filthy cheater, anon.
There hasn't been any info, let alone leaks, of the DE codex. The ones I know of are marines, grey knights, chaos marines, and death guard.

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>>54477563
You have to admit that its in character, its totally a Dark Eldar thing to do

>>54477569
Because boltguns cannot fire while you're locked in combat, pistols can.

And if you have a chainsword you obviously want to be in combat.

>>54477569
Considering bolt pistols are free you can take both.

>>54477569
To shoot in close combat?

>>54477589
Where's this pic from?

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>>54477603
No idea, just stuff I found searching for Dark Eldar pictures

>>54477603
>>54477623
It's from the Dark Eldar painting guides. They are in the general's link.

Making myself some rough riders, what size bases should I use?
Forge world use 40mm rounds, but then there are also biker bases which all the other cavalry-like units use in 40k.
Or the (new?) 60x35mm ovals would be a possibility, all the new cavalry units seem to use them.

>>54477521
Mostly for OW, if someone pulled charge from 9+ inches he deserve it buy the grace of dice Jesus.

Dont cry, we might see buff to templates in decembers Chapter Approved.

>>54477640
Which one are they in? I'm having trouble finding them.

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>>54477654
forgot pic. Very much in progress still. Held together with blutac

What's the best way to make an autarch with a reaper launcher? There used to be a metal kit, but I guess now I have to buy a box of reapers and an autarch and convert it.

Is the new stalker bolt rifle heavy 1 or rapid fire or what?

>>54477665
That horse seems very small.

>>54476624
Redemptor melee is very strong. He can shoot down a tac squad each turn and punch vehicles well. I think hes pretty much the best dread alongside mortis contemptor, leviathan, SW venerable melee dread, and SW normal dreads with the cheapest loadout.

>>54477679
Heavy 1, 36" range, S4, AP -2

>>54477679
>>54476391

>>54477683
An unfortunate problem of trying to find a horse that would much scale with a cadian.

A Redemptor dreadnought sees a Leviathan dreadnought across the battlefield and doesn't like his face. What wargear does he take and who wins?

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>>54477683
>>54477694
Yeah. Im using a perry horse, which isnt too much smaller, but more slim compared to GW horses.

>>54477696
He takes dual gatlings + icarus + fist + 2 stormbolter for 202 points.

Depends of the loadout on the 327 to 377 points leviathan, but he redemptor will probably loose as he is more of a horde /Meq killer

>>54477694
>>54477712

Just use chaos knights horse

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what the hell IS the primarch brain organ? see magnificat

>>54477741
twin cyclonic melta kills him in one turn :)

>>54477749
Isn't that called the God organ. Does it turn them into an actual Primarch.

>>54477449
i believe he is generally fielded with daemon princes and brimstone horrors for smite spam

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PDF of the new space marine codex when?

>>54477436
there is no one answer. if the enemy fields many lascannons, Devs with ablative wounds are best. if the enemy spams S4 AP-2, obviously the other choices are superior. try to bring a rock to his scissors.

>>54477751
Twin cyclonic melta even kill a landraider in 1 turn

>>54477754
it says god-maker. but i wonder what its powers are

>>54477654
buy any fantasy model on horses and replace the rider with guards men. why i have 30 RRs.

Do you think any Store Managers post on /tg/?

>>54477436
Twin grav flux Leviathan

>>54477785
I WONDER I DONT KNOW WHAT GOD AND MAKER COULD MEAN FOR A PRIMARCH ORGAN

>>54477822
how does it work? is this one organ the only thing that separates primarchs from men? is it a warp organ? where does its powers come from? could you replicate vulkan's perpetual powers for many people? could someone make use of these organs without the emperor's genes and powers?

>>54477803
Yep.

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>>54477839

>>54477787
Which models do you use? The Marauder Horsemen seem the best, others are too armoured or the riders legs dont like like they would match guard.

>>54477839
I figure that the god-maker elevates a Space Marine to a Primarch.

If you put it in a baseline human, they would die.

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I this cheese?
(The two unbound rosters form a vanguard detatchment)

Harkonian Assassins (Plain Text) -
++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [4 PL, 55pts] ++

+ HQ +

Lord Commissar [4 PL, 55pts]: Bolt pistol, Power sword

++ Patrol Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [8 PL, 120pts] ++

+ HQ +

Tempestor Prime [2 PL, 40pts]: Chainsword, Tempestus Command Rod

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [6 PL, 80pts]
. 7x Scion: 7x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Officio Assassinorum) [19 PL, 325pts] ++

+ Elites +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 80pts]

Culexus Assassin [5 PL, 85pts]

Eversor Assassin [4 PL, 70pts]

Vindicare Assassin [5 PL, 90pts]

++ Total: [31 PL, 500pts] ++

>>54477868
the emperor is such a fucking genius when it comes to science why couldn't he replicate STC tech reeeee

>>54476349
In-Inferno Cop, what has he done to you?

So only thing that differenciating Space Marines from the Primarchs is that one single organ?

I find that hard to believe.

>>54477887
it loose to a single stormraven or some conscripts, or your average deepstrike tausuit/sternguard/tyranid etc.
its hardly cheese.... quite the opposite

>>54477902
that we know of. space marines might be SCIENCE but primarchs are MAGIC

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>>54477902
You have 1% DNA difference with pic related.

>>54477902
there's also the warp mumbo jumbo that emps stole from the big 4

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>>54477903
Nice

>>54477908
So are you telling me a banana is one organ from a Primarch.

>>54477908
nah bro banana are only 60%Human DNA.

>>54477909
Carnac pls.

>>54477436
Contemptor Mortis with rr1 as a lascannon platform. The range and efficiency and defense is hard to beat with pretty much any marine anti tank.

>>54477919
oh fuck. cannibalism is heresy

>>54477902
How is it possible to be this dumb yet still breathe?

>>54476566
[Spoiler] in the Dark Imperium novel, it's also mentioned that Cawl uses xenos technology, has been experimenting with creating batches primaris marines from traitor legion geneseed against Rowboat's orders, and isn't too happy that Robbie won't make him head of the Admech [/spoiler]

>>54477902
>you are now aware Guiliman commissioned an army of Primarchs ten thousand years ago
Madman

>>54477936
no capital letter in spoiler tags

>>54477747
or get the Freeguild outriders, use the horses and sell me the heads

Post your Primaris

>>54478007
Lewd

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>>54478007

>>54477603
the new dark eldar codex, trust me mon-keigh.

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>>54478007

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>>54478007

>>54478011
>new primaris orks

>>54477304
-1 to hit everything because of Darkshroud.
Harder to wound because bike spam.
Insanely die because the prevailance of -1/-2 AP.

>>54478007
I don't have any yet but if I end up expanding my Marines instead of my Dark Eldar than either Aggressors or Intercessors are high on my list. Look like they're fun to paint too.

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>>54476431
Time to join the good guys and fight the power?

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Adrenalight (+1 Attack) or Painbringer (+1 T) on Reavers? I cannot make up my mind.

>>54477936
it's not mentioned that he has you ape
gully just says that he thinks he will despite his orders , it's left ambiguous

>>54478048
+1T
Staying power is more important than extra attacks in 8th, in my experience.

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>>54478011

>>54478018
>Your body, it has moldlines!

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>>54478060
I mean, they aren't on active duty, but he has made them.

>>54477870
10 are empire knights 10 are bretonnian and 10 are wood elf because i like the wild horse look. RRs are generally from feral worlds so having armored horses isn't strange but you could maybe use some admech bits to make them look robotic.

>>54478048
T5 bikes would be quite hard to kill. All your enemy's basic weapons just went from wounding on 4s to 5s.

>>54478018
Your gun has not barrel.

>>54476822
so they are huge n slow hence 5 inch move, but somehow they can run and shoot just fine


the fuck is the logic here

>>54476927
couldn't you have hid a few men to survive untill the end ?

Which units/weapons would be the best to infiltrate 9" with Lias Issodon?

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>>54478101
>All your enemy's basic weapons just went from wounding on 4s to 5s.

>>54478122
Not when his bikes can cross pretty much the whole map in turn, and he had deep striked terminators and an assassin behind them.

>>54478129
plasma guns seem like a good choice

>>54478067
Care to instruct me on how to fix them? I could start working to improve my future minis.

>>54478110
You mean it isn't drilled?

I know Kataphrons are some kind of a meme unit and fucking terrible, but if I did have some what loadouts are most usable?

I love the look of punchy ones but 4+/5+ WS depending on if you take the basic fist or the good fist seems underwhelming.

For the guns Plasma + Phosphor seems the best all-round bet, or grav + flamer for infantry killing. Is this about right?

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>>54478063
>>54478101
T5 2W +4Sv and the extra FnPesque save from Power from Pain would make them pretty sturdy I guess, as well as freeing up Adrenalight for Hellions

How do you guys convert Chaplain and/or Techmarine on bike model? It seems like it's a mandatory for fixing characters.

>>54477486
I'd say Crons.
Solid defense, somewhat mild offense. Got some good bits of mobility on their fast stuff.
Good hard-to-kill middle tier army.

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>>54478095
>Guilliman can't stand that the gene-seed of the third legion is better and purer than his one.

>>54478137
ah that sucks anon
I always try to have some kind of shield against deep strikers and chargers
these little guys have been working wonders for me on the edges of my line recently

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>>54478210
>>54478137
forgot the picture

>>54478148
You either take your knifes blunt backside or your Citadel Mouldline Remover™ and start scraping along any mouldline you come across. Scratch over it with your fingernail, if you can't feel it anymore it won't show on the painted miniature.
https://youtu.be/0gl3rtYWhP4?t=1m16s

>>54478206
meh the problem i have with crons is that , if you know you're facing them they are much easier to counter than if you bring a cookie cutter list thanks to their shielding
AA autocannon vehicles shred their vehicles

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In a few years I'll be that guy at my flgs that has all the rare oop models

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>>54478035
This.
Space Marines can very easily be converted to Chaos Space Marines.
Just slap some spiky bits on your dudes, alter the colour scheme slightly, or not at all, bring your devastator squads as Chosen, run your dreadnaughts as helbrutes.
Girlyman turned his back on Space Marines, well a campaign is coming up, a campaign for somewhere under Girlymans protection, rip Konor in half.
They deserve it really.

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>>54476410

>>54478131
Lasguns are a meme. No one actually fields them in big numbers except for WAAC conscript fags.

>>54478307
>fucking 2e models compared to 6e models
Are you mentally deficient or are you a mentally deficient liberal?

How rare are bird/angel wing icons/symbols used on non-X Angels chapters?

>>54476410
I can't take a picture worth a damn and I'm kind of worried I'd get bullied for it.

>>54478326
Without going through the list of Chapters, I'd say theres probably a decent number but most of them are going to be obscure Chapters you'll never really see.

When you say Angels, do you mean Blood and Dark Angels specifically or anything with Angels in the name, like the Angels of Death or Angels Eradicant etc etc?

>>54478307
>Left side has a clear colour scheme, steadfast poses and they can keep their armour clean
>Right side decided to stick spikes everywhere, sport obvious mutations of the holy human form, can't even keep a better colour scheme than "just put black on them" and the guy with the Lightning Claws looks like he's about to trip
Why would I ever choose Chaos?

>>54478274
Most of us has honor and loyalty, unlike you scum. We will rip you another one, again, as always, you cartoon villain.

>>54478329
>can't take professional pictures

Are you sure the wargaming hobby is right for you?

>>54478339
BA or DA - I was thinking of Ravening bikes, Sanguinary Guards, etc feathered wings.

>>54478329
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/13/the-model-photo-how-to-photograph-models-for-display/

>tfw loyalist will never have modal as cool as Rubricae

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>>54478342
>and the guy with the Lightning Claws looks like he's about to trip

I just went back to look at that picture and you're right, kek

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>>54478343
Suit yourself.
How's Cadia doing?

>>54478307
How old are Abby, troop CSM, and Berzerkers model again?

>>54478353
>silly hats trying to be relevant

it's ok, anon, you can sell them and buy some Primaris, too!

After all that, im pretty tired and might have fucked something up. Ill check tomorrow and add more range calcs.

So assuming 15" or less
> 6 man aggressor default loadout
- GEQ: 14.6 w
- MEQ 5.5 w
- TEQ 5.5 w
- Pred 3.67 w
- LR 0.92 w
- Repulsor 0.92 w

> 10 man intercessor (normal)
- GEQ 7.2
- MEQ 4.3
- TEQ 4.3
- Pred 2.2
- LR 0.7
- Repulsor 0.7

> 10 man intercessor (stalker)
GEQ 5.6
- MEQ 2.2
- TEQ 2.2
- Pred 1.5
- LR 0.5
- Repulsor 0.5

> 5 man hellblaster (assault)
- GEQ 5.6
- MEQ 4.5
- TEQ 3.7
- Pred 2.2
- LR 1.9
- Repulsor 1.9

> 5 man hellblaster (rf)
- GEQ 5.6
- MEQ 5.6
- TEQ 3.7
- Pred 2.2
- LR 1.9
- Repulsor 1.9

> 5 man hellblaster (heavy)
- GEQ 2.8
- MEQ 2.8
- TEQ 2.3
- Pred 2.2
- LR 1.4
- Repulsor 0.9

From here you can figure out the odds for rapid fire weapons outside of rapid fire range by just halving the result.

Its interesting to see that the heavy hellblasters consistently under perform (obviously they have several more turns of shooting though ideally).

Also all of this assumes no cover or other modifiers to hit/save.

If you see any errors let me know. Ill check back tomorrow.

>>54478269
Delusions

>>54478356
Planet broke before the guard did senpai

>>54478317
>tfw i play regular guardsmen squads as my troop choice
>tfw demolishing conscript lists

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>>54476601

Stop! I can only get so erect.

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>>54477764

>>54478361
>having to compensate for your height

That's why you're balding, faggot.

>>54478345
I enjoy the modelling and according to my LGS I'm adequate at painting.
I play the game and I have fun. I just can't take photos of the little dudes or daemonettes.
>>54478349
It's the focus bit I have trouble on, even if I do everything else my camera refuses to focus on the model.

>>54478375
Considering it's not even released, you'll probably have to wait until saturday or sunday.

>>54478011
HOLY FUCK YOU CAN PAINT WITH GREENSTUFF?

>>54478307
What are those models on the left? They look like space marines but really short and with silly stubby guns.

>>54478307
>In a parallel universe where Chaos actually gets new models

>>54478356
Pretty good, the planet broke before the guard did. Some pansy got buttblasted so much that while retreating he had to drop a blackstone on it to archive anything worthwile, and now claims he's a master of dark crusades or some shit.

>>54478019
PRO PAINTED!

>>54478379
Stop living in a cave and let some sunlight in. Even 5 years old cameras will focus.

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What should I buy next to expand my nids?

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>>54478368
I'm aware, kudos to them for that.
Enjoy loyalty to a Primarch who cares more about his personal toys and ambitions than his spiritual sons or his brother legions. I guess he really is just like his father.

>>54478401
Tbh, if their metal and cheap, there's nothing wrong with buying, stripping and repainting them properly.

>>54478378
Stop projecting, everyone knows chaos players are the ones balding thanks to not removing their fedoras ever.

>>54478409
3 malanthropes on miranda irene

>>54478413
>said Fulgrim between bouts of being anally violated by his men.

>>54478414
I Had these back in the day.. those are cheap space hulk plastic. ;_;