Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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2nd for the dark city

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2nd for Sisters a QT!

>>54471391
So... did they come out with a Gabriel Angelos model?

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>>54471391
third for 8 hellstrikes per turn

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3rd for ultramarines

>>54471415
there needs to be more 40k pixelart

>>54471438
Well its in the OP and it looks pretty terrible, think its not out yet.

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What did you all work on today, /tg/? I finished up a squad of heretics for my Not Guard and/or R&H.

So, will chapter tactics exist for generic non-first founding marines or do you have to pick the first founding dudes?

>>54471466
My PTSD has gotten the better of me lately so no model progress sadly.

Those are some pretty awesome dudes so far! Any story behind them?

>>54471483
They take their progenitor. If unknown, you just pick one you like.

>>54471466

where did you get the heads? I might like to use them for consccripts.

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Played a game with the special modifier of pic related.

Had a melee weapon only Knight carve its way through my Necrons and my opponents Ork Dred Mob. It waded through and killed a deff dread, 9 boyz, and took half the wounds off of a Gorkanaut and killed my entire squad of Triarch Praetorians, one of my lords, and stepped on my Triarch Stalker before it finally died to a combined volley from 2 Grotzookaz and melee rape from my Lychguard.

It was fun trying to decide if I needed to gun down the orkz or drive back the Knight that was threatening my Warrior formation.

It had its own unique phase, we rolled a scatter dice and 1d6 for its movement. If we rolled the direct hit it stayed but gained an extra attack for the next time it fought. And if it was in charging range we rolled 1d3 on a result of 1 it charged the nearest unit on a result of 2 it charged the nearest unit of the player that lost a roll off and on a result of 3 it charged the other players closest unit, not the closest one to its current position. Finally we let it move the highest number on the charge roll towards where it was going to charge anyway.

It was a great addition to an already fun game and I will definitely start suggesting it for games in the future

>my lord are we only allowed a limited number of Primaris
>Hmm very well its clear to me what we must do to get around this.
>Primaris Sisters!

>>54471483
Pick from the First Foundings.

>>54471440
IS THAT A

M I X E D F O R C E ?

>>54471466
Where'd you get the heads my dude?

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>>54471511

>>54471466
I've been thinking of converting my R&H into Salvor Chemdogs...

What's a good space marine ally for my guardsmen?

>>54471517

it was an armageddon themed game with 4 players. 1 IG player and 1 Black Templars player vs 2 Ork players

Are prisms worth firing in dispersed mode?

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>>54471466
I paint in the garden normally but rained like hell today so I bought some paints from local GW.

Ideas on what colours to do the cloth for this guy? Also the spell?

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>>54471466
All the Termis

>>54471483

Pick one or run without one. Almost all chapters by m42 abide by the updated Codex Astartes anwyay, so just run Ultramarines tactics to be the most generic.

>>54471483
>chapter tactics
Get with the times grandpa

>>54471564
wait, what are you playing them as? The weapon option and the kit itself is throwing me off.

>>54471504
>>54471518
Victoria Miniatures. She designed them as Not Chemdogs (there are backpacks too but I didn't use them).

>>54471501
Thanks! All I've got so far is they're converted guardsmen of a Tzeentch cult, called The Tattered Promise. Hope your PTSD improves, friendo.

>>54471539

Salamanders thematically protect and assist baseline humans.

Raptors forward units take command of local military assets for maximum utility.

Mentors are basically a chapter of Creeds, and amplify local forces combat effectiveness by providing STRATEGERY where needed.

Warbringers and Raptors both employ camoflauge and look cool with guard units

Ultramarines keep their own private armies and fleets of baseline humans to supplement their own forces.

Here's something concerning
I saw on the US Games-Workshop site a lot of the older models are out of stock or 'email me'. Is it just me, or are they going to get rid of a lot of models/characters? Hopefully make newer versions?

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>>54471425
>loli sister

>>54471511
SoS are essentially Primaris sisters already, they just won't get off their ass and make full kits.

>>54471578
They're terminators anon...

They're whatever needs terminating

>>54471391

Is that polnareff model out yet?

>>54471425
Are all SoB players also weebs?

Asking for a friend.

>>54471629
Thats just a normal sister the two either side are Primaris Sisters

>>54471616
They're just being incredibly shitty about restocking, but it is happening. My guess is they're monopolizing most of the production time for the new 8th Ed. Stuff that is selling in volume right now.

If something is actually going out of stock it will show up under "last chance to buy" with a red hourglass. That's when you know it's going away.

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How common is it to use recasts for most of a force? Just from a straight price point, it seems worth it despite the chinese resin, especially if you're like me and prefer HH models for chaos and want a nice contemptor for cheap.

>>54471664
>primaris sisters
>buff kink faction already
>gets super amazon upgrade
stop I can only get so erect

>>54471616

GW has been really behind on production.
They lost a lot of staff in that area a few months ago, and with increased demand from 8th, they've been very behind in getting product to distributors. We're only getting about 40% or so of the stuff we order.
It's a global problem afaik, and some products we haven't been able to get any stock of in over 2 months.

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>>54471466
Worked on my leman russ demolisher and created this abomination of a dwarf sniper. Oh and I finished basecoating my Bullgryns.

There any better pictures of the SM codex yet?

>>54471701
Just wait one fucking week and there will be an epub up.

>>54471673
Drown in two inches of old bath water.

Recast users should have to register with the state, plus tell all of their neighbors and opponents that they are using unethical recasting trash.

Man up and budget your money.

>>54471698
Lost?

Or fired to stock up on sheckles?

>>54471660
Well, the Sisters player in my meta is a Final fantasy lovin', DBZ quoting, legit gay dude.

>>54471741
... are you actually retarded? not having enough staff to keep production up to demand means they're losing a lot of money.

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I think Necrons are fun to play in 8th. The new reanimation is pretty cool, albeit worse than it's cancerous incarnation in 7th.

But are Necrons still good in 8th?
I ask because I have yet to play a 1500-2000 point match and people here keep saying that they suck now.

Given how wound allocations works now doesn't that mean it'd be best to give all the sweet as gear to a handful of dudes, keep a bunch of guys as cheap as possible to test on their armor value, and a couple guys with invul saves to eat big guns?

Or put another way, why would you take thunder hammer + storm shield on the same guy if you had a choice to put a thunder hammer on one guy and a storm shield on another

im confus

>>54471741

I don't work for GW, that's just what they told me when I asked why we haven't been able to get a single Imperial Knight since May.
Also have been almost totally unable to get any Orks at all recently.
Lots of them are showing up as in stock on their website when last I checked, so hopefully they'll be shipping some to distributors soon.

>>54471440
How is this remotely balanced or correct?

In other news, building my own custom Commissars because these command squad and vehicle accessory sprues cost damn well enough so I may as well use them. Tell me guardsmen, have you found it more useful to have a boltgun for long-range fire contribution, or would it be better to have a pistol so he can shoot into the melee? I'm leaning towards the former.

Any suggestions on how to convert Lias' Malice? Not sure about Raptorclaw either.

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>>54471466
I got painted my Slaaneshi Soul Grinder last night, all that's left is the washes and a final layer of gold trim.
Probably would have finished it but I got drunk, high, and watched cartoons instead.

>>54471724
>epub

No one wants that shit.

>>54471763
A lot of necron players seem to think they can still get away with not taking any specialised anti-tank stuff, and just rely on gauss like last edition. This doesn't work, but rather than adapt their lists/tactics they just bitch on the internet about what a bad place necrons are in now.

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>>54471800
This guy has most of what you need. Maybe lengthen the barrel on the boltgun.

>>54471510

MAN this reminds me of that one thing from the old 40k website that had a "generate your own alien monster" thing + gave a bunch of conversions and other monsters they had made. That was so so awesome.

>>54471830
I just noticed he only has a toe on the rock...

Do you guys know any Western language word that starts with L, and mean 'real' or 'genuine?'

Legit doesn't count sadly.

>>54471766
yup, time to keep your special weapon or heavy weapons guys alive till the end like 5th

>>54471511
How sad is it we're at a point where femarines are more likely than plastic sisters?

>>54471821
>no-one wants a file format where you can go to a specific page with a single click, and that remembers the last page you were looking at, rather than scrolling through the entire document every time you open it
Seriously though, what is the appeal of pdfs over epubs?

>>54471854
>genuine
Level?

As in "I'm going to level with you?

>>54471763
>people here keep saying that they suck now.

Why won't necron/admech players stop complaining about being the worst. I swear, it is weird. They aren't the worst

>>54471854

legitimatus lol

>>54471830
Too bad he is Primaris. Wouldn't his hand bigger than smaller marine arms? Like Terminator hands/weapons on PA marine looking weird thing.

>>54471466

I lovingly converted a Libraian on a Bike, only to find out they aren't in the new codex.

>:I

>>54471758
>getting this mad at someone who is not the enemy
Did I say that it was logical?
Take your meds.

>>54471884
All marines are going to be Primaris eventually, think of it as an investment for the future.

>>54471880
Who is considered the worst?

>>54471866
>scrolling

Fucking pleb, just type the number or use the search function.

>>54471854
>Do you guys know any Western language word that starts with L, and mean 'real' or 'genuine?
What?
Legitimate, legion, legal, law, hell fucking language.
Anon, are you legitimately retarded?

>>54471891
I'd let you play it, anon-kun.

>>54471556
Tyrannitar?

>>54471827

I don't think Necrons are bad now, I just think they're at an all time low for blandness, and almost no thought at all was put into their army list.
Though I have no idea why a monolith costs almost twice as much now.

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>>54471415
anyone have more?

>>54471902

There really isn't a clear shitter. Playtesting snark aside, GW actually vaguely had a semblance of balance among most factions for once, had because codices time now.
Factions bouncing around consideration for worst seems to alternate between Tau/orks/inquisition/some daemons among a few others too so far. But no decisive rock bottom

>>54471916
I'm not a native English/Latin-based language speaker and need help on vocab.

>>54471866
epub is basically the worst ereader format, desu.

>>54471726

>he thinks people buy recasts because they can't afford GW models
>rather then buying recasts soas to not support GW's business model

>>54471726
>cites ethics
>wishes others dead

Hey Guys I'm new to the hobby and recently bought and painted the Battle of Vedros starter set and found myself really drawn to the space marines as a faction.
Currently I own 1 Dreadnought
4 Space Marines
A Space Marine Seargent
A Captain
And a terminator
Currently I have just painted them the standard blue as I am not very aware of the lore apart from the set up to the universe with the Emperor and the Horus Heresy.
Anyway What I wanted to ask is there any recommendations as to what I should add to my army if I wish to play the game as of the latest edition?
Also what are some fun space marine chapters?

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>>54471952
>>54471415
Only one I got famalam.

>>54471975
>GW's business model
Then play something else, dicksneeze.

>>54471854
Lecherous

>>54471425
>loli sisters
I didn't even know i need that in my life

>>54471959
i wanna say it's too early to tell but there's probably been a few tournaments by now

>>54471975
If you didn't support their business model you'd quit playing altogether, as any models you have out will encourage others to buy from GW

>>54471975
There's that, and some companies are just plain better.

Hell, I buy legs from Anvil Industries just so I don't have to spend half an hour shaving flash off of Guardsmen Pants for each squad.

>>54471763
Two warrors next to a ghost ark with a cryptek nearby seems to be the core of your army. You can beam down lychguard from your night scythe and let destroyers plink away at any enemy they don't like. Keep your warriors up front and your characters protected and you're set.

>>54471952

Dawww the babys are cute!

>>54472011
Hey that's a new one!

Hot Dam!

>>54471960
Ok. I'm still confused as to how you used the word "language," which stars with L, in your post, yet couldn't think of any western words that start with L.
What language do you speak and what are ypu needing L words for?

>>54471866

Because you CAN'T go to a specific page with a click, and you can't even variable zoom with mouse wheel, not with Readium.

A PROPER PDF with table of contents and bookmarks has way more function and intuitive navigation than an epub.

Epubs = Windows 10
PDF = an actual Windows OS like 95, 2000, ME, XP, 7, even Vista

>>54472045
This. So many retarded recastfags don't realize they're still supporting GW by advertising and playing their games. If you really want to fuck GW go play Warmahordes or X-Wing.

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>>54472072
I'm gonna post some of my favorites, but rather than be a dick about sauce: Look up Steel Joe on Deviant Art.

>>54472089
he said he needed words that mean "real" or "true" and you gave him language.

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>>54472119
>>54472072

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>>54472049
i have considered the Deathbeam-laser flyer as dedicated anti-tank along with a Triarch Stalker.
but the fact that it only hits on a 4+ in its optimal condition is somewhat of a moodkiller.

Is it still worth the 45 point difference from a Nightscythe which can let you field Lychguards?

Is the Monolith actually any good what with the complete lack of defensive traits?
20 wounds isn't all that much in my opinion when the enemy has 3 different d6 weapons which ignores armor.

I'm genuinly curious.

Emperor minature when?

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>>54472072
>>54472141

>>54472089
Um, I'm asking for a word that
- Start with L
- Means (definition-wise) 'real' and/or 'genuine.'

I'm an Asian, and was trying to name something. My vocab is bit short.

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>>54472072

>>54472160
'Legitimate' is your best bet.

>>54471541
How did the Marauder Destroyer perform? Looks sexy, I was thinking of picking one up.

>>54471959
Orks are pretty bad right now. Special orks are almost always vastly overcosted and under performing compared to boys. Giving the special orks a 4+ armor save would probably fix the army and make them fairly competive in my opinion.

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>>54472038
That's just schola girls

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>>54472072
The Emperor's Finest is larger than 8 MB. Here is a still.

>>54471866
A pleb using pleb PDFs, no wonder you think it's shit.
I can go to any page, check any entry, view by page header and much more on my PDF which open easily on any device.
EPUB exists to validate stupid table purchases. EPUB 3 exists to fuck everyone over.

>>54472148

>Is it still worth the 45 point difference from a Nightscythe which can let you field Lychguards?
It can be.

>Is the Monolith actually any good what with the complete lack of defensive traits?
God no.
Its one of the most overcosted units in the game right now imo.
Twice as expensive as the 7e equivalent, not much tougher, weak shooting, eternity gate is much worse.
Under no circumstances will it be worth its points.

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>>54472180
I've been seriously trashed by a friend that simply fielded 90 boys and a warboss woth some lootas.
I mean jesus. I can't field enough firepower to put that down.

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>>54471629
>>54472038

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>>54472190
l-lewd

>>54471854
What counts as a western language?

>>54472148
i briefly played against necrons the other day, that flyer wiped out a squad of havocs rather easily but the warriors were wiped by seekers with a herald. though i gotta be honest i was expecting the havocs to die and he was expecting the warriors to die

>>54472190

>limp flamer
Emperor's "Finest"

>>54472041

Not very conclusive yet, unless you want to buy in hard into the cheeselists thrown together for fun

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>>54472218
Thanks!
>I was actually considering purchasing a monolith.
>I think it looked like an awsome center-piece for my collection.
>How do I win games Anon.

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>>54471391

>bring legit FW models to the shop
>instantly get accused by mouthbreathers that I'm using recasts

Don't do this /40kg/ and if you do fuck off and mind your own fucking business

>>54472229
European? Latin-based? Something that uses ABC alphabet.

>>54472255
So a Romance language.

>>54472247

That's why I keep the little rules slips that come on limited editions and clampacks so I can BTFO the poorfags when they start making false accusations.

>>54472243

Monoliths are neat, but hard to paint well.
Lots of completely flat very empty surfaces.

are agressors good for my salamander army?

12d6 flamer shots seems nice to have

You know... Support staff like apothecaries, librarians... Making them primaris is a waste of time. It doesn't make you a better medic, having +1 wound and attack, especially when as a character you're untargetable until you're screwed either way anyhow.

>>54472299
They were Primaris, then they were taught extra skills.

Suggestions for removing minis from their bases? I believe plastic glue was used.

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>>54472272
Yeah, I liked it's estethics. But it's hard to justify it's purchace if the model itself is terrible in it's mechanical in-game function.

>>54472309
Yah can't. Cut the base around the feet.

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What did he mean by this?

>>54472288
Do you have a means to deliver them? In other words, are you planning to buy the new primaris tank? If not, probably not worth bothering with them for salamanders.

>>54472340
how many points is that monster? it has even more guns than I thought it was going to, and I thought it was going to have a lot of fucking guns. it's downright silly how many shot it has and it gets to fire full bs while moving 14"

>>54472309
This is why you don't use plastic glue.

>>54472309
Do you want the bases intact?
Because when I converted my chaos marines from 25mm bases to 32mm bases I just ripped them off and carefully snipped what was left on them off their feet.

>>54471629
Start em young, anon!

I wonder what it must be like to be a little girl in the 42nd millenium.

>>54472347

2, 2, 2 many, so they went to 51st street, but Mr. X 8 them all up, that left them GUNLESS

>>54472347
About the same as a Land Raider. 300+

>>54471891
You can use Index version dummy.

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>>54471466
Getting some SoB and Guard ready for Konor

>>54472319
could replace it with a Gauss Pylon for another big necron unit but people might get triggered by it being 2strong

>>54472307

Yeah, but if Gulliman wanted to replace regular marines role in things, the ultramarines would be pure primaris by now, using a mix of old and new equipment but all genemodded up in rescaled armour.

He's pretty clearly delineated them into distinct groupings with different roles.

>>54471758
>not having enough staff to keep production up to demand means they're losing a lot of money.

No, it means they're making money hand over fist due to such a high demand. Not being able to meet such high demands means they're losing POTENTIAL money.

>>54472223
TWINS THEY WERE

How do you guys use Vanguard Vets/Assault squads?

Deep striking -> assaulting seems pretty nifty, but with a base 2d6 charge distance actually getting into close combat seems kind of doubtful and then you get shot off the board

Or am I missing something

>>54472407

CP reroll

>>54472247
How would they even know and why would people care? Seriously why do the autists who get upset about shit like this always have met WAAC lists, barely or unpainted armies and sub standard grasp of the rules

>>54472387
They are still losing potential vevenue by being sold out of so many thing, like 75% of the necron line for example.

>>54472429

Buy some Primaris, ya pinhead!

>>54471458
It's only the head that is awful. Swap it out for a helmet and it's awesome.

>>54472429
You act like this doesn't happen to every single company that has ever had something temporarily out of stock.

>>54472413

Even with a reroll that's less than a 50% chance though?

Not exactly great odds

>thinking about making an Ork tyranid hybrid army
What models should I use?

>>54472407
pray for good results. i've been seizing a lot lately, cause i guess 6s are pleasing to slaanesh

>>54472429
>They are still losing potential vevenue

No fucking shit what the fuck do you think
>Not being able to meet such high demands means they're losing POTENTIAL money
means

They clearly think the potential revenue lost is less than the long term costs of hiring more employees. If you don't even understand basic economics enough that you think "the demand is too high for them to meet means they're LOSING MONEY" maybe you should shut the fuck up and not talk again until you've taken a basic class on business

Does the Darkshroud benefit from it's own aura?

>>54472451
>Even with a reroll that's less than a 50% chance though?

9" charge goes from 28% success to 52% chance of success with a reroll, where did you learn to do math?

>>54472471
Yes.

>>54472447
Being out of stock of an item or two? Yeah sure.

But the level of stock that they are currently out of? Poor management. Every army has a number of items out of stock. Some of them being out of stock since the 2nd week of 8th ed dropping.

Are they still making money? You betcha. Could they be making vastly more and are currently missing out on the chance while 8thed is hot? Yep.

>>54472476

i am teh dum

But a 52% doesn't exactly scream reliable to me either though.

>>54472366
ah, so it's the primaris hover land raider then. that makes more sense than primaris razorback which is how I saw it originally

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>>54472463

>>54471902
Pure Primaris lists!

>>54472488
That's retarded.

>>54472471
Yes, auras effect the owner unless it specifically says otherwise in that rule. Read the "Auras" sidebar in the base rulebook.

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>>54472429
>like 75% of the necron line for example.
It's almost as if the army that's broken as fuck is selling like hotcakes. Gee, wonder why.

>>54472451
I gotta be honest man.
I play Chaos and I put a Sorcerer on a Bike, advance him 20 inches with towards an enemy I want dead, deep strike a unit of Warp Talons and cast Prescience then Warp Time on them.
Then I put my Warp Talons 2 inches from the thing I want dead.
2+ to hit on 16 attacks with rerolling wounds is nuts.
I don't have either of the Imperium indices so I have no idea what you can do to match this.

>>54471848
fuck

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Managed to get all 3 based and snowy details added, still not completely finished but here

also i swear if this image gets rotated..

>>54472533
>necron
>broken as fuck
Explain yourself. Most people consider them fairly weak in 8th ed, especially compared to the monsters they were in 7th.

>>54472533
Calling a mid teir at best army broken.

Necrons are performing pretty sub-par. Look at some tournament results.

>>54472555
I fucking hate the hoods on them and the gravis captain.

>>54472471
yes
unless specified otherwise units are considered in range of their own auras.

>>54472557
>Buy shit tons of immortals because they're cheaper than marines, with better stats.
>Sit their asses in cover/on an obj.
>Watch them never die.

>Bring a tank that has anti-anti-armor AND the ability to heal itself because reasons.

>>54472557
Reanimation is fucking nuts.
Its not tournament spamming but its a pretty solid army.

>>54472555
>Keyboard sector secured!
>Trips secured!
Set course for Konor system.

Are psychic powers rolled for or selected in matched play?

Rulebook says you can pick or roll, but why would you bother rolling if you could pick?

>>54472576
Closed hood ones look better.

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Post neat Iron Warriors related stuff.

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Opinion on Apothecaries this edition?

I want one on a bike for mobile healing/recovery, but I don't really play that much termis or any centurions.

>>54472232
>flamer
yes

>>54472597
Selected or rolled for, your choice.

And because someone might like the randomness, never met one, but you never know.

>>54472587
also only T6 and a likely 4+ armor save.

Yeah super broken.

>>54472605
I'd post their accomplishments, but...

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>>54472605

>>54472606
Annoying as fuck to play against, but they seem generally balanced.

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>>54472499
Considering the enemy doesn't get a single chance to reduce your numbers before the charge; I'd say a >50% chance of achieving the unit's job is somewhat acceptable.

If the charge were to be too reliable, you'd see armies literally only existing to be deepstriked into melee to the anguish of the Ranged player.

If the charge were too unreliable, nobody would play melee.
I suspect it might actually be fairly balanced right now compared to 6th and 7th edition.
>This is my opinion and I'm not an authority on this.

>>54472611
I would be rolling, but Nullzone is such a specific case power that I never do.

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>>54472617
>Six Million Geneseed

OY VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY

REMEMBER THE FISTS

>>54472587

>>Buy shit tons of immortals because they're cheaper than marines, with better stats.
No?
Do you mean warriors?
They're 1 point cheaper, but they don't have better stats.

>Up by 9 points.
>Still lose because the fucking game goes on for two extra turns.

Kind of feel like a point lead victory condition should be added. Super frustrating playing strategically when you can just herp-derp rush down the field and still win.

>>54472534

Yeah, uh, that seems super reliable because warp time is awesome and basically guarantees a charge

I don't think loyalists get anything like that aside from a reroll charge distance.

>>54472417
No clue, but I've had some people try to shame me for buying FW instead of getting recasts like them. Was the weirdest shit

>>54472594
it looks nuts on paper. you don't get as many bodies as you'd think with necrons so focusing down one unit at a time to defeat reanimation is hardly impossible. it's not as good as it looks

>>54472513
why is it retarded for a unit at the centre of a force field to benefit from it?

>>54472636
>>54472587
Correct me if I'm wrong here; but Immortals has the option of switching 1 weapon for another 1.
What option does the marine have in terms of wargear and suchlike?

>>54472180
>Orks are pretty bad right now
What happened to a the past few weeks when people were claiming Orks were way too strong?

>>54471549
Theyre not worth it in general really.

>>54472668
People weren't spamming flyers then.

Orks just don't have good answer to planes

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>>54472644
I'll admit I'm a bit salty over it, but it seems like most games don't come down to points, but wiping the enemy. Seems kind of poor design to have a strategy game that is really just running down the field hoping for luck.

>>54472626

Well, there is overwatch but I guess I understand your point.

I've been trying to figure out how my list deals with big scary vehicles/flyers and deep striking a bunch of thunder hammers on them seemed like a good way of dealing with them, until the realization that if my sub 150 point unit could consistently neutralize a scary thing without any response, yeah, I guess that makes a lot of sense.

Thanks anon.

>>54472650
Yeah.
Personally when I run melee I use Lightning Claw Chosen w/ Icon of Excess, put them in a Land Raider with Lucius and a Sorcerer, then they go to town on whatever I want while my Noise Marines shoot at any anti-tank units he doesn't have hidden behind line of sight while my Helbrute tries to kill his tanks.

>>54472698
I find it pretty rare to win on a complete wipe unless you get a big swing on kills really early.

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>>54472178
>(You)

Not that great, actually. The Ork players brought a ton of fightabommaz, and they all had a lot of big shootas that just chewed through its structure points. Back in 7th those missiles are one shot only, so I fired all 8 at a single battlewagon and failed to outright kill it.

Cool fluffy unit but not very effetive in 7th. In 8th according to present rules those missiles never run out, though, which completely changes everything. You can also fire all its turrets freely at anything now, so those twin-linked assault cannons actually do stuff.

tl;dr not very good in 7th, jury's out in 8th

>>54472680
Stormboyz and Deffkoptas

Also to be fair almost no one has good answers to Stormraven spam, it's one OP list that beats everyone right now, it doesn't make Orks trash

>>54472664

>Correct me if I'm wrong here; but Immortals has the option of switching 1 weapon for another 1.
Yes. Gauss Blaster or Tesla Carbine.

>What option does the marine have in terms of wargear and suchlike?
They can take a special and heavy weapon in a 10 man squad.
Marines also have frag and krak grenades, and bolt pistols, which make them better in close combat.
The sergeant can also get some different weapons.

>>54472668
>>54472680
Waaaait. So the there is an actual metagame in 8th edition? Factions fluctuate in powerlevel based on what is being used at the local scene?

>>54472718
Could be a local meta thing, but nearly every match in my LGS had been decided by one team wiping the other. Typically around turn 3.

>>54472720

Cause going first and alphastriking is a bit OP this edition

>>54472726

GW managed a semblance of balance this time

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>>54472709
You're welcome.
I'm surprised that a level-headed conversation is taking place without "reeee, stop fucking commenting on my hobby subhuman trash."
So thanks for that.

>>54472726
Well, it's the first impression meta game. The first major tourney was won by flyer spam.

>>54472720
Orks in particular suffer because they have to punch the plane while other factions get to shoot it down with minimal loss in efficiency

>>54471884
>Wouldn't his hand bigger than smaller marine arms?
nah, gw has mentioned the arms and such are compatible with older kits. They talked about mixing the intercessor and devestators kit in the first article on them.

that mini worksnas is for Lias. fancy scoped bolter for malice, power sword for raptor claw.

the armour works for Artificer armour paint the cloak as if its cameloline.

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>>54472680
SEND FOR DA DEFF SKWADRON!

>>54472680
I guess.

Non-FW all they really have is Traktor Kannons, but they're one of the few AA guns that doesn't get +1 to hit flyers so it's 1 shot that only hits on 5+

Then if we count FW the Flakka gunz don't have near enough shots or damage to do much, and they can't go on Trukks anymore, just the more expensive Big Trakk.

So I guess the best bet is massed Loota fire and pray?

>>54472718
Had a tournament yesterday, 1750pts, max 2 detachments, no forgeworld, 32 players.

Of the 64 games played 39 ended in table wipes.

This wasn't helped by players bringing triple knight lists and raven spam.

>>54472783
They really need a buff to traktor cannons.

>>54472810
Yeah those types of lists skew it a bit as they can only win by wipes. Around here 95% of games are won on objectives.

>>54472587
>>54472725
Just strike me as the Immortal/warrior/whatever we were talking about might be 1 point cheaper than the other due to lack in options, flexibility and buffs from auxiliary units. But I again I might be wrong.

>>54472810

More details please, what was the winning cheese for other factions and who was shit?

>>54472453
Maybe kitbashing Orks and Genestealers and making count as dredds from Carnifex

>>54472783
>The first major tourney was won by flyer spam.
Shit like that happens in games with more competitive rulesets too.

Someone brings a skew list and people don't have enough counters and get wiped. After a while people start bringing counters to those lists and the pendulum swings back.

First example that comes to mind is jank in MTG like Seismic Swans.

>>54472810

How fast did the knight lists get btfo?

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How does this list look? It's Grey Knights with some sisters thrown in to get me those delicious CP's & hold objectives.

Battalion
HQ
>Grand Master w/ hammer & psycannon.
>Canoness w/ eviscerator & combi-plasma

Troops
>Strike squad. Justicar w/ hammer. 7 falchions. 2 psycannons
>Terminator Squad. Justicar w/ hammer. 3 halberds. 1 stave w/ psycannon
>Battle Sisters. Superior has combi plasma & power maul. 2 bolters. 1 heavy bolter. 1 flamer

Elites
>Apothecary w/ stave
>Doomglaive Dreadnought w/ incinerator
>Imagifier
>Hopitaller

HS
>Dreadnight w/ greatsword, H psycannon, H incinerator & teleporter
>Purgation squad w/ 4 psycannons
>retributor squad w/ 4 heavy bolters.

Fly
>Stormraven Gunship w/ 2 hurricane bolters, twin assault cannons & twin multi-melta.

>>54472350
>using anything else
>ever

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that an enemy can charge you from outside flamer range and deny you overwatch shots from that weapon?

>>54472962
No, why?

>>54472962
Not really, they are fighting against the odds on the dice and are willing to burn a reroll for that shit if they are doing that.

>>54472974
>man starts running at you from 9m
>your gun has an effective range of 8m
>instead of waiting him to take a step, you wait for him to shank you

>>54472719
I always thought that the Marauder would have been bigger than that

>>54472269
germanic would suit him as well.


just play around in google translate.

>>54472962
Wait really? That's fucking stupid.

>>54472962

I do find it funny that a guy running at you from further away makes you less effective with a gun. If anything, I would've thought charging from up close would be worse, you don't get a chance to bring your gun up to bear in time to overwatch.

>>54472962
Yeah it's pretty retarded.

>>54472974
>>54472990
How does it make any sense to you?

>>54472962
I mean, I'm bothered that a solid wall blocks LOS but can still be charged through, but that's me. I understand realism vs game but those are both pretty retarded to me.

>>54472962
Yes

>>54473030
>How does it make any sense to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPG_wnsav6Q

gotta go fast

>>54473054
Walls can't be charge through.

They can be charged around though.

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>>54472990
But if they decide to charge from outside flamer range they'll only have to worry about a few shots from the rest of the squad's weapons.

>>54473064
Well then my GW manager and everyone in the store is lying to me.

>>54472719
I for a second though that the mortars in the top right were a Chaparral SAM system. Now I have ideas for conversions...

Do the Manticore from Forgeworld still do AA? Or does the GW one does it? I suddenly have a desire to make a Chaparral.

>>54473023
i figured there waa a bit ofnsurprise5 element to it. they start from far so you initially don't notice they're charging, when you do they're already at speed and close.

But really its a gameplay abstraction to encourage agressive play and going for longer charges.

>>54473064
If you begin your charge from around a corner, the overwatch firing squad is firing at a target they don't have line of sight on. Does this mean you can avoid overwatch through clever ambushes?

>>54473064
Infantry ignore them in 8th anon.

>>54473077
You can go over, but it counts against your movement.

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>>54472857
>>54472877
>>54472840
The better performing marine lists ran 2 Ravens with a chapter master and some foot troops to grab objectives. There was a few interesting lists like massed plasma prime marines and centurion spam, but these failed utterly. Tournament winner tabled everyone he played and ran 5 flyers and Robby G

The single ork list went very well, he even tabled 3 opponents, and out-played most people. He had 80 boys, a painboy, wierdboy and Big mek to support them, and tankbusters+skorcha nobz in morkanaut and battlewagon.

Eldar got BTFO, as people were trying all different things after realising bike spam wasnt great anymore. Surprisingly no one took hemlocks. Unsurprisingly no one managed to top 5 with them.

Nids did very well, scary assault hordes are great agin.

Necrons were so so, most lists focused on infantry spam supported by reanimating destroyers.

Guard were shit.
Most people fell for the conscript meme but you really cant deal with a good army, also 2.5 hour time limits made guard on guard fucking tedious.

Tau were shit.

Chaos daemon prince list went 2W/2L and ended in a table every game. Some bad luck being put against a grey knight player with massed smite though. Other chaos lists were decidedly meh.

>>54473019
Overwatch is resolved as shooting based on the position of the model when they declare their charge. Only exception is you can target characters who charge you even if they aren't the closest unit (per the faq).

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Weirdest game interruption you've had?
>pic unrelated

>>54473076
yes... and? That's what the rules say

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>>54473125
>and tankbusters+skorcha nobz in morkanaut
>skorcha nobz in morkanaut
>nobz in morkanaut

>>54473075
You get one for free. You give it to a character. Some need to replace a particular weapon for you to be able to choose it. You can buy a second or third with command points.

>>54473116
Still doesn't make much sense. Like not even ruins, a literal solid building. Manager said "just imagine the power armor guys are punching holes through the wall"

>>54473169
They are climbing over.

>>54473151
So it's not as much of a risk as your post implied.

>>54473077
you can charge over a short wall, so it may have been that.

>>54473182
A multiple story building? With a roof? To charge someone inside on the ground floor?

>>54473188
It's a risk for not working at all and getting pot shotted for it.

If charging outside of flamer range, the unit will need to roll above average on the charge distance to make it in.

>>54473111
yes.

Rule book states:

"It cannot be moved through other models
or through terrain features such as walls,
but can be moved vertically in order to
climb or traverse any scenery."

>>54473169
No he was right. Infantry can go right through. Its an abstraction that assume there are holes/doors/windows that infantry can make their way through.

>>54472874
The problem with Warhammer is not every army has counters to this particular issue and some people don't want to have to spam the counters they have because it's unfun.

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>>54473136
A crow flew into the store and made off with my opponent's hotdog. We stopped right in the middle of my charge phase for a solid ten minutes when we were watching it fly around the shop with its stolen lunch.

>>54473205
Yes.

>>54473136
1500 point game that turned into a stalemate by turn 3 due to bad-deployment between me (Guard) and my opponent (Tau).

A bored Necron Player had showed up but his buddy did not. He drove an hour to the FLGS to get a game in and could only stay for one. We weren't going to be done yet so....

>Tomb World awakens
>3,000 points of Necrons walk out of the middle of the map
>Suddenly becomes a 2v1 as we had to set aside our differences
>Keep trying to back stab each other by turn 8.

Weirdest interruption to a normal game... but we all had fun.

>>54473239
Oh if only it was a raven.

>>54473130
It's not an exception so much as the Shooting phase makes a particular exception that you CAN'T target Characters who aren't the closest unit, while the Charge phase has no such special rule.

But that's just me being pedantic, either way you're correct.

>>54473228
Check the Ruin rules.

>>54473205
If you have a cohesive multi-story building with solid walls you should be using it as a Fortification, not a Ruin.

The rules for Infantry charging through walls and stuff is for Ruins.

>>54473239
Shoud've bolted down your lunches in metal lunch bawkses

>>54473252
Nah, the ravens live at the nearby college. The crows seem to have more or less taken over the parking lot next to Target, which probably made them bold enough to do it in the first place.

>>54473246
>01000001 01110111 01100001 01101011 01100101 01101110 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01101101 01100001 01110011 01110100 01100101 01110010 01110011 00100001

>>54473136
Someone a couple of tables down from me suddenly doubled over in pain and screamed for a bucket because he couldn't make it to the bathroom. He was fat as fuck and his poor diet was likely catching up to him. A samaritan got him one and he was begging for help to get his pants down, but everyone (including, no especically the samaritan) was like "fuck that". He was trying to get his pants down while also clutching his gut. He got his pants down. He begged if someone could help support him while he squatted over the bucket. At this point people started abandoning ship, realising he was serious and it wasn't a prank. I grabbed my shit quick and as I approached the door I remember hearing the loudest, wettest, bubbliest fart ever, and his strained groan shall haunt me forever more.

The place was closed for a week for cleanup, and the guy was never seen again.

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>>54473246
You and your buddy are bro teir as fuck! And I love simple additions that end up narrative as well. Good on you m8

>>54472407
Guy at the local is building an ork horde army with bulk slugga boyz and a supreme command detachment of weird boyz using the teleport power to get turn 1 charges with each horde.

As an IG player im concerned on how to survive this build.

Also currently building a white scars army. Would i be better off with it against the orks?

>>54473350
>As an IG player im concerned on how to survive this build.
bubble wrap entire army with conscripts, duh

>>54473350
you can only cast jump once per turn dumbass

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>>54473342

>>54473350
>Guy at the local is building an ork horde army with bulk slugga boyz and a supreme command detachment of weird boyz using the teleport power to get turn 1 charges with each horde.
Psychic Focus says no.

>>54473350
Da jump is only going to effect one 30 ork blob per turn, don't worry too much.

A horde of Lootas and tankbustas in shielded deff rolla wagons seems scarier.

>>54472797
Good old Killboy.

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>>54473342
I want to say there's no way this story is true, but I've seen enough fat hobby store autists to believe you.

Was there not a fucking bathroom in this place??

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>>54473342

>>54473342
Stories like this are why I keep coming back to /tg/

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>>54473342
This is a true horror story.

>>54473417
>Was there not a fucking bathroom in this place??
Of course there was. He couldn't stand up, let alone walk anywhere.

Nobody really understood what was happening until he got his pants down, and then everyone was like NOPE and promply got the fuck out.

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>>54473350
Please don't be real. Ever time I played in that store again, it would always be in the back of my mind. I wouldn't be able to focus.

>>54473113
not true

>>54473417
Most GW stores ive been to dont have a bathroom. The only one ive actually seen with a bathroom is the one in Round Rock, but that store is like 3x the size of the average GW shop.

>>54473342
What the fuck?

>>54473280
Yeah if there are holes in the walls (portals, windows, doors) or scale them but they can't just phase through em.

>>54473342
i believe it

Do we have codex marine point costs yet

>>54471990
I highly suggest reading the lore about different chapters. You don't have to dive into novels or anything but there are a lot of 40k wikis you can use. Model wise buy whatever floats your boat but you could consider the Start Collecting: Space Marine box for a cheep boost in dudes

Celestine lost to Kharn like she was nothing but an ordinary sister in "Shroud of Night". He literally overran her and overpowered her until he cut off her head.

This is the second time Celestine was defeated by a CSM. First by Abaddon bitchslapping her to the ground and then this. Why is an avatar of the Emperor roo weak like this?

>>54473522
Maybe because Kharn and Abaddon are hard as fuck. They're canonically the two hardest motherfuckers in the galaxy in CC bar none.

>>54473522
Because the Emperor is a false god, you cur

>>54473522
In shroud, a sister got killed by a casual headbutt

>>54473522
This is why we need Primaris Sisters to stop these awkward occurances.

>>54473550
Nah sisters are jobbers

>>54473560
You won't be saying that when they get upgraded!

>>54473546
If it was a CSM headbutt I could totally understand.

>>54473571
Yeah I will because they won't get upgraded.

>>54473573
It was an average joe alpha legionare headbutt.

Where Primaris Sisters would sit in power levels.
Primaris marines>Primaris sisters>CSM>Sisters

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>>54473342
I really need to take a shit before go to my LGS to play now from now on.

Are tankbusters good?
Would 3 trucks with 2x6 tankbusters supported by a big mek with bike and KFF be good?

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>>54473522
Because Kharn is a faggot and so is Khorne, they both get jerked off endlessly by GW and always win EVERYTIME and it's fucking stupid. I say this as a Chaos fan, I fucking hate Khorne and Kharn, because they ALWAYS have to steal the spotlight and be the center of attention anytime there is something chaos related.

>>54473608
>i'm desperate for attention!!!!!
Go tell your therapist you whiny fuck

>>54473582
Your tears will be amazing when Sisters get Primaris upgraded.
Screencapping your post.

>>54473595
Nothing average about the Unsung. They are survivors/winners of the Bloodforge.

>>54473608
I'm guessing you play Iron Warriors

>>54473620
Spotted the Khornefag

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>>54473608
>WHY IS THE WAR GOD SO GOOD IN A WAR GAME

>>54473125
What did the tau players use?

>>54471990
>Anyway What I wanted to ask is there any recommendations as to what I should add to my army if I wish to play the game as of the latest edition?
I'd suggest getting enough to have full units for starters. Besides that, razorbacks are good, preadators are ungodly good as of the codex, land raiders are amazing centerpieces and really powerful, devs and ass marines are always a good choice. In general though I'd suggest getting whatever you think looks coolest or is the fluffiest, since most everything can do fine.
>Also what are some fun space marine chapters?
That depends a lot on you as a person, since there are so many options.
Blue romans who are sticklers for rules, green catholic monks who are a joke on gayness and love plasma, furry viking marines, red vampires who like jump packs, coal black skinned green friendly pyromaniacs, yellow autists who like to fortify positions, mongolians who like to go fast, sneekie beakies, robo-marines, red theiving wizards, camo tacticool reasonable-ish marines, deus vulting marines and so on.
It really depends a lot on what you like in terms of playstyle and what you like in terms of fluff.

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>>54473649

>>54471673
Roughly half of my Carcharodons force is recasted Mk V heresy armour and Contemptor Dreadnoughts. My mate buys from the same seller and a bunch of his CSM vehicles and infantry are also recasts. It's worth noting that we only buy Forgeworld recasts because the AUD to British Pound is shocking, and shipping is just not worth it for orders under $300. The recaster is half the price and does free shipping.

>>54473636
Nope, just someone laughing at your little tantrum

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>>54473649
and this

>that feel when you spend days painting 24 brimstones and then remember that you suck at painting and that its 48 points out of your entire unpainted army
not as planned

>>54473511

We know a bunch of stuff got price drops

>>54473522

Get rekt corpse lackeys

>>54473669
Post them sharks ma nigga!

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>>54473608
I started out as a chaos fan, and in many ways, I still am. In the beginning I was like you (though I was playing AOS, giving me all the more reason to hate), but now, just coming into 40k, I'm finding myself more and more attracted to world eaters and daemons of khorne.

>>54473663
>>54473676

>Using broadsides and crisis
>not spamming the cheese
No wonder they lost, the internal balance is screwed for tau

>>54472718

Have you played 8th? Most games are decided by T2 at the latest because one side wiped out 50%+ of the other side before they could retaliate.

>>54473736
>t. Buttblasted eldar fag

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finished my Ancient, table-top ready lads?

>>54473736
Hasn't really been my experience at all.

>>54473753
Look good

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>>54473753

>>54473676
>>54473663
>this is basically my tau stuff
>sucks shit
Fuck this game
Literally every army i have is shit tier
Fuck gw

>>54473736
Hey look it's the latest retarded meme

>>54473766
Looks good anon. The L looks a bit like an S, but besides that it's definitely table top ready

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>>54473608
Aww snookums. Maybe next time GW will let your waifu win. :')

>>54473762
>>54473782

thanks boys, I was trying to make an L like the Laplace transform latin letter

>>54473736
>I haven't played a game of 8th: the post

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>>54473755
>>54473801

Seriously? I can honestly say that having played 2 games every Sunday consistently since the 8th leaks, I have only played one game that has gone past T3. How are your games lasting that long?

>>54473805
perhaps there are different types of armies and some have weak offence but are hard to kill

>>54473805
Fuck off retard

>>54473789
Reminder that csm are not as strong as primaris and the inevitable primaris sisters

>>54473805
Playing with good terrain and positioning so you don't get alpha striked to death?

>>54473805
Then someone needs to git gud. Most of my games have lasted till at least turn 5 or 6.
What have you been bringing/fighting?

>>54473817
>Reminder that csm are not as strong as primaris

I disagree. The Unsung commentary about the primaris is they are a little harder to kill thn average marines. Other than that, not much has changed.