Warhammer Fantasy General - /wfg/

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First for Phoenix King.

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For those of you who play TWW, you may take interest in this. It's a prospective army list for the Kurgan, similar to how Norsca is about to be added. Mostly made for fun.

I'd post this on /twg/ but I feel like this place is better for stuff like this, and I know Total War is at least tolerated here.

I don't remember what version this is so it may be riddled with typos.

>>54460111
>It's not a phase, MOM.

>dwarf thunderers/quarrelers removed from the online store

Well shit

Just so i know, are there any retailers i your area that still sell the now out of production warhammer stuff?

I don't have any retailer nor lgs in my area, so i really don't have any way of knowing, but i'm intetested on how the miniature trading scene is holding up

What are some paints i could use instead of the GW ones?
Their price is too damn high and the quantity is too damn low, isn't there a good alternative quality-wise that also costs less?

>>54460307
Army Painter, Vallejo.

>>54460207
Wow, makes me wonder if GW actually does intend to phase out real dwarfs for their *tips coghat* m'dawi ebin meme dorfs.

So i found an old gang of 16 6th edition dwarfs n my closet, and this made me think back about making a dwarf army. Thing is 16 warriors are not enough for a unit, so i was wondering, how do they mix with more recent dwarf warriors?

Should I make them quarrelers instead? 16 quarrelers sound like a good number

>>54460318
thanks

>>54460345
I hope not, because i want to buy some warriors, ironbreakers and hammerers in the near future

>>54460419
You should make a Mordheim warband instead, muh dawi. Less minis, more personalisation, cheaper on the budget, more fun on the tabletop.

As far as mixing goes, you can kind of tell but it's not agonizing.

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FRANZED

>>54460774
WTF is this mod.

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>>54460774
YES INDEED

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>Fimir are going to be playable in Total Warhammer before Lizardmen, Skaven or either flavour of Elf.

What a crazy world we live in.

>>54460795
Probably some waifufaggot shit to degrade elves.

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>>54460795
Its a mod that adds mini heroes like elf adventurers and dwarfs to be recruitable from the tavern.
>>54460813
being this buttblasted that the elf fell for the BIG HUMAN COCK.

>>54460837
Half-elves barely exist in this world, please masturbate about your fanfiction somewhere else.

>>54460583
Nobody in my area plays mordheim. I myself never played mordheim except the videogame (which is fun)

But i want to amass some dwarf army and order as much shit i can from the closest GW shop i can just to spite them when they ask if i'm getting into AoS and tell them i'm planning to play 6th ed

>>54460583
>>54460982
But i've always been willig to play Mordheim, so maybe i'll set some models apart and try to build a warband. Problem is i barely know anything about mordheim and have no idea if and how dwarfs play in it

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Honestly, I think the market is ripe for a revival of Mordheim with games like X-Wing bringing lots of fresh blood into the hobby. This is HERESY, but I wonder if such a game would do better if pre-painted assembled minis were the norm, or at least an option opposed to the proper assemble-customoze-paint method of us grogs.

>>54460116
I've been thinking what a Albion army would comprise of in Total Warhammer.

Basic troops are differently-armed barbarians; axes, spears then of course the alternate versions of those equipped with shields. Would bowmen fit too for the army to have missile units or are they too primitive?
Now to give them something a little more special when it comes to foot soldiers they would also get a unit type of fast low-defence berserkers, clad in only loincloths & woad while wielding big fuckoff two-hander spiked-shillelaghs/axes, would get extra bonuses on the charge to make them more devastating on the offence but are not so good for extended scrums.

Now a pictish/celtic army needs to have chariots to help flavor it so basically copy those from the Norscans for another unit.

Then you've got your giants of course, one of the primary draws of Albion, who are big melee monsters that can also throw boulders at range. Was thinking maybe should split it up into "young giants" that come in groups of something like three then just your full giant on its own.

Heroes and lords are pretty easy.
You have your chieftiens who are melee heroes than your Druids who are your caster hero.
Above them for the lord choice is your Truthsayer who is a caster that can also decently handle getting into melee.

Also if Truthsayers are in then that opens Fenbeasts, either as another unit type for the army or maybe something the Truthsayer can summon in battle.

Have another unit choice on the back of my mind, something not quite together yet.
Units of mobile skirmishers with the special deployment rules, basically sneaky primitive dudes covered in mud and little else like Arnie from Predator, armed with javelins and able to harass the enemy giving the Albion forces more options.

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>>54460837
>Its a mod that adds mini heroes like elf adventurers and dwarfs to be recruitable from the tavern.
That sounds like a really cool mod.

Honestly being able to get units from other civs in your force is a neat gimmick as well.
Makes me desperate for the ACTUAL Regiment of Renown and the Dogs of War to make an appearance.

I want to be able to fight against the greenskins while having a unit of armored crossbow-wielding Orcs at my side.
Or crush the disgusting undead while the Cursed Company's hatred absorbs all their skeletons into itself.

Total war warhammerfag, out of curiosity were are any of the Bretonnia DLC units (2h foot squires, grail guardians, and whatnot) added into the 8th or 9th fan supplement thing?

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>>54460111
Wrong pic anon, you got the edgelord instead

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>>54461304
Outside of Truthsayer/Dark Emissary/Fenbeast,the Norscan army seems to have everything an Albion army might: different kinds of lightly armoured barbarians, chariots, giants and Fimir (Kinda. We don't really know what kind of relationship the Albion natives have with the Fimir.)

You could almost mod them in at this point. It's just a shame there's no settlement on Albion and you can't really mod the world map.

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Post your favorite artpiece depicting your favorite faction.

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>>54461468

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>>54461468
You maybe already posted it, so I will post this one which I also like.

>>54461464
Well apart from the fact Albions aren't lameass chaos-faggots.

There could be some sort of crossover or alliance between an Albion force and the Lizardmen.
Since the Slann and the Truthsayers both specifically serve the cause of the Old Ones.

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>>54461304
scots are known for pikes and english are known for archers so give them both

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>>54460074
Hey. Do any of you know where I can buy movement trays that are appropriately sized for WHFB? Especially movement trays from before horde-formation doubled the average footprint of infantry blocks?

Just figured this would be the best place to ask.

>>54461005
Dwarfs dominate in a long range shooting range. The extra 6" firing makes a difference, and their unique skills makes them very hardy and hard to put down - an amazing asset in the meta game.

Skaven with slings is still the king though.

Question: Does anyone else feel shooting is undervalued in Warhammer + subsidiaries because combat happens in both yours and the opponents phases?

>>54461420
IIRC, both 8th fan edition and 9th have some instance of "foot knights" which fill literally the same niche of Squires

the fanmade 8th edition also has Hippo Knights

None of them have Grail Guardians nor Royal Pegasus Knights last I checked

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>>54461831
>Question: Does anyone else feel shooting is undervalued in Warhammer + subsidiaries
This is because of the legacy of 6th and 7th edition. In those editions, you didn't destroy your enemy by killing them, but instead by breaking them. The static bonuses to combat res from a rank-and-file unit being in CC in its front rank outweighed the raw killing power of everything save some VERY expensive and difficult-to-use rare-choices. This was an intentional design choice meant to simulate ancient warfare, and is sort of hard to really wrap your brain around if you've only played horde-formation-editions or skirmish-variants (mordheim included.) However, in the era of 6th, this was common knowledge, and sort of carried over into the skirmish-variants where it wasn't necessarily true. So yes, outside of the editions that generated that meme, shooting is indeed undervalued.

>>54461963
There's nothing quite as satisfying as killing a 1/4 of a unit with long range fire and watching it cause a panic cascade in the heart of their formation.

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sup /tg/

Me and my amigos ar going to play a little tournament tomorrow.

1250P, no Commanders, unique Heros, no ranged and nothing above toughness 4.

I`ll be playing WoC and the other 3 will be Welves, O&G and Counts.

Anyone have an idea for a fun-list? I`ll have to face all 3 after eachother with the same one.

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>>54461984
This is true, though before horde-formations and volley-fire changed (and I'd argue simplified) the tactics of the game, only VERY specialized Empire and Dwarf armies could accomplish this, and it was a one trick pony, where if it didn't happen, and the enemy actually DID reach you with their rank-bonuses intact, you were VERY scared.

Again, I think this was kind of cool, like simulating Oda Nobunaga's gunline tactics against angry samurai who are charging your peasants-with-guns, knowing full well that they will slaughter your gunline if they reach it.

However, volley fire and horde formation made this tactic much more reliable, and open to a lot more armies than it was before. The latter, I like, but the former I don't. Everyone should be able to try the tactic, but gunlines are supposed to be a balls-to-the-wall one-trick-pony gambit, because this isn't 40k.

>>54462041
What edition?

>>54462041
>no Commanders
What?

>>54462123
no Lords, I guess

>>54462073
good `ole 8th

>>54462123
only heroes

>>54462041
Why no ranged? You just all hate the guy that plays wood elves?

>>54462131
yeah Lords

>>54462150
It was his idea. Dunno.

That just might make a Chimera too unfun and OP to use.

>>54460800
I'm still wrapping around the idea of Fimir being in a video game in 2017. Aren't they GW's old shame?

>>54462041
Oh and it`s not above toughness 4. It`s nothing above 4 wounds.

>>54462041
Try this:

++Hero++
Exalted Hero: w/ Disc of Tzeentch, Halberd, MoN, Dragonhelm, Dawnstone - 191
Exalted Hero: w/ Disc of Tzeentch, Halberd, MoN, Dragonhelm, Dawnstone - 191

++Troops++
Chaos Warriors: w/ (x17), FC - Gleaming Pendant, Shields, Mon - 290
Chaos Chariot - 110
Chaos Chariot - 110
Chaos Warhounds - 30
Chaos Warhounds - 30
Chaos Warhounds - 30
Chaos Warhounds - 30

++Special++
Chaos Knights - MoN, Ensorcelled Weapons

+++1231+++

>>54462330
Needs more Chariots and Marauder Horsemen for a force worthy of Surtha Ek.

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>>54462212
I don't know about old shame. I just don't think they were that popular at the time.
Which is weird, because I think the celtic aspects are fairly unique.

They're a bit of an odd inclusion for Norsca, really, considering they are explicitly not Norse-themed, but I can't really complain.

>>54462435
Needs more bitches for Thulsa Doom, too.

But it's a starting point.

>>54462452
I've still got my fingers crossed that we'll see a 'Dark Beneath the World' campaign mechanic.

>>54461464
The Albion natives would not be allies of the Fimir.

The only source of womenfolk for the Fimir to rape on the misty island would be their wives, sister and daughters unlike the ones working with the chaos second-string wannabes who are getting women from participating in the marauders raids.

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>>54462510
DID SOMEONE SAY BITCHES FOR THULSA DOOM?

>>54462614
>look, I posted it again!

>>54462624
Whats wrong with it? Just posting a wood elf in a warhammer thread isn't an issue.

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>>54462601
I was imagining a 'Shadows Over Innsmouth' type relationship rather than any explicit alliance.

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>>54462624
>>54462614
Now with extra B I T C C H

I have question about Estalia. It's a region with multiple kingdoms right? Do we have info on their people and armies?Or any notable characters

>>54462684
>End Times
Please get this out of here.

>>54461304
Skip bows, go javelins.

>>54462675
Fimir are creatures of Chaos even if they predate polar gates same as Dragon Ogres.

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>>54462684
Also comes in Khaine flavor.

>>54462709
That pic is from Age of Reckoning. It has been reused in the End Times book.

>>54462735
No, they are not. Chaos abandoned them for mankind. Chaos doesn't want anything to do with them. At best they can deal with low grade daemonic entities but the Gods have no use for them.

>>54462735
They weren't always. From what I remember the Fimir sold themselves to Chaos, who lost interest and started neglecting them once the entire race was under their sway. I seem to recall dragon ogres are also a case of old creatures that later entered the service of Chaos.

Will Master Engineers be added to the Empire for Total War?

>>54462800
Maybe as a FLC

>>54462212
I don't old shame as much as "not that important in the grand scheme of things".

>>54462734
So just a unit armed with Javelins and shields? Little bit shorter ranged than other armies archers but better defended from missile fire?

>>54462778
The Dragon Ogres were a declining race of ancients that sold themselves in servitude to Chaos in exchange of immortality. Their servitude would end when the world gets destroyed, according to the deal they struck.

Spoilers : The Chaos Gods did not keep their end of the bargain. Despite the world being destroyed, the Dragon Ogres remains slaves to the Chaos Gods

>>54462452
From what I understand, much like the Zoats, they were originally designed to be something totally unique - that might have made them a bit offputting. More than likely, it was due to the fuckup: for some reason they were given the models of a troll-size monster, when they were supposed to be human sized. This made them absolutely horrible on the tabletop.

>>54462212
They aren't a shame. Rick has some interview about them. They tried to make them work but the end result wasn't pleasing for the devs so they shelved them. It's the same with the squats except the squatting.

>>54462851
>they also still had stats for a human-sized unit despite their larger size

Didn't make that clear.

>>54462778
I remember reading in the Van Horstmann book how a reason why the Chaos Gods (or at least Tzeentch) have such an interest in humans is because of how they need to consent on their free to sell their souls to the gods. The Fimir gave up everything, and so the gods lost interest in them and started seeking out new toys. Like how a pickup artist will move heaven and earth to claim a hard-to-get woman, but then moves on to the next hard-to-get once he conquers her.

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>>54462851
Zoats for TWW when?

>>54460425
>>54460345
>>54460207
"Temporarily out of stock online"

FYI, this is what Irondrakes and Ironbreakers said two/three weeks back. And the Glade Guard and Wild Riders a few weeks before that.

>>54462755
I would fuck Hellebron in her young form. Goddamn she has a perfect body, no wonder Morathi was jealous and kept her out of the best cauldrons.

>>54463179
what did her face look like?

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>>54463214
Dunno, never been shown as far as I know - at least not while she's in her youthful form. Which is weird, since she's apparently embarrassed to be seen as an old hag and likes to show off more when she's young, but maybe someone at GW developed a mask fetish towards the end - or just wanted to give her a more iconic design for an actual model.

Just for you I'm going to post her grandma form, but it's disgusting to look at an 80ish woman in witch gear so I'mma spoiler it.

>>54463313
I thought pic was morathi without blood.

>>54463313
aww yeaaaaaaaaaah

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>>54462755
Or vampire flavor.

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>>54463542
or just plain fertile flavor.

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>>54463542
Vampires a SHIT

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>>54462684

>>54463542
>wise immortal ruler
>it feels good when they succ you
Why do we oppose the lhamians again?

>>54463684
Guttertrash!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH9cNAOe34M

>>54463542
Imagine some poor vampiress trying to be scary and dominate the world in eternal night, but everyone thinks that she's a slut who'll stop leading her undead armies and fall on all fours if someone waves a cock in front of her.

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>>54463214
From 7th ed DElf book.

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>hey Hans, there's a bunch of killer goatmonsters innawoods
>here's a halberd, go kill them

>>54464026
It wouldn't be too hard considering huntsmen deal with most of them.

>>54462839
This didn't happen in Warhammer Fantasy though.

/aosg/ is thattaway.

>>54464026
It's probably a good way to make use of State Troops even when there's no active conflict with the undead or greenskins or something - making sure the woods are as clear as they can be so people can travel with a modicum of safety.

>>54464082
Its just kinda amusing that people have to fight creepypasta monsters in melee.

>>54464340
People beat Greater Daemons in melee.

>>54464434
And then Khorne turns them into bloodthirsters because that's amusing to him.

>>54464459
Aenarion, Sigmar and Gotrek didn't.

>>54464474
Felix helped!

>>54464459
>Wow, you are an angry little guy, huh?
>GRAAAH BY THE LADY I WILL KILL THEM AND RIP THEIR GUTS OUT AND BURN EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF THEM INTO-
>I think I'm going to call you 'Angry!'

>>54464459
>>54464474
Even Khorne was pretty scared of Aenarion if "the gods trembled" isn't excluding him. His Elf Not-Bro's sword was one of the only things that could kill him.

>>54462452

If I remember right there were creatures in a similar vein where Norse and Celtic peoples met.

While the main roots of the Fimir are Celtic the were places where the Norse Troll myths kinda merged with them I think.

So with lack of a full "Celtic" faction or having Fimir as a tiny independent faction (which would actually be kinda cool from a game perspective just having them non-aggressive and confined to their swamps but heavily defensive), I guess Norsca is the next best place to put them.

Just a shame I presume they are using the "Norse = Full Chaos" character, didn't older Norse fluff have them as mixed with some non-chaotic barbarians and some chaotic ones?

>>54464763
Chaos is calling up all its forces, of course the Norse Marauders are going to be in full wax in this era.

>>54463754
You mean she won't?

>>54463684
They got an ego the size of Morrslieb.

>>54464763

Albion was technically the 'Celtic' faction, wasn't it? (Along with many wood Elf influences) But one Albion Wizard guy hardly makes a model range.

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>>54465255
Actually they have a regiment of Renown too

>>54465272
I thought they were a bit more intelligent than giants from Old World but i was mistaken.

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>>54464991
>Seriously, why does everyone think this? I'm not going to all this work building siege towers and conjuring up armies of undead as some sort of foreplay!
>This is legitimate plate armor! It's not some sort of lingerie to show off my curves, what's wrong with you?
>Seriously, I'm not even a Lahmian, and I have a little more dignity than to lay with human cattle - I'm not some Strigoi who'd do anything to get an actual human neck for once.

>>54465255
Two! Two Albion guys!

>>54465358
I mean, they're wearing pants which is better than a lot of old world giants.

>>54465456
>This is legitimate plate armor! It's not some sort of lingerie to show off my curves, what's wrong with you?

Shut up and take the dick you dead slut.

>>54466203
>What dick? All I see is a pinprick that makes a stiletto look like a zweihander.
>Fuck it. I'm just going to stab you in the throat and turn you into a zombie now.

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>>54461468
I love Queek and Reddit Rats

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Hey guys, anyone want to give me some pointers, tips and (constructive) review of these grail knights I just finished? I'm thinking of spraying them with matte varnish to take the shine off the barding...

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>>54466569

Whoops sorry for the blurry pic...here's a better one..

>>54466283
Shut up and take the dick you dead slut.

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>>54466585
I'll most just a few, I don't want to spam the thread. Let me know what you think though! (don't be too harsh!)

>>54466585
>>54466697
They look real good to me - the checkering isn't perfect on the red and white one, but you tried, and it helps them stand out. They're colorful, armor looks alright, horses are different colors...Definitely tabletop quality, though I'm not a good judge of more than that.

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>>54466759
Thank you! This is my 2nd attempt actually at painting this. The poor guys, I bought them prepainted on Ebay. I gave them a bath in "Simple Green" tried my hand at them..really mucked it up.. Another Simple Green application, then finally gotten them to this point!

Actually instead of spamming here, I"ll post these in the WIP thread... Thanks for your input though! Hope the WIP are as kind

>>54461726

>>54462851
>>54462870
>>54462888
What happened was one of the previous CEOs wanted Warhammer to have a unique monster and he proposed Zoats which were lizardmencentaur things that NOBODY on the creative team liked. They made a bet they could make a more popular beasty which the end result was the Fimir. Technically they won the bet because the Fimir actually got a range that is remembered by people while the Zoats got a small range that is all but forgotten.

Who does /tg/ think the WFB world's best couple is?

>>54467005
Vlad and Isabella, no contest.

>>54467005
Karl Franz and Glady.

>>54467005
Agree with >>54467030.
Issue is "icky girl sex stuff" is pretty much untouched in Warhammer due to it's obstensibly "all-ages" approach and emphasis towards young adults, so serious romances and partnerships aren't a major feature of the setting.

>>54467005
Leon Leoncour and Karl Franz Totally a Ken and Ryu bro tier relationship.

Such mystery...

>>54467030
Yup.

Is a there a Tzeentchian warband for Mordheim?

>>54467005
Gotrek and Felix

>>54466999
I like Zoats.

Especially since the oppose the likes of chaos, pretty cool big monster things fighting for order, like Lizardmen.

>>54467166
Dubs for truth

>>54467005
Malekith and Morathi.

>>54467185
They could have been cool, but they were mostly frowned upon by the creative team because the guy who proposed them was an absolute cunt

>>54467276
Who was the guy?

>>54466999
>>54467185
Didn't Lizardmen hate Zoats for some reason?

>>54467030
Momma and dadda von Carstein are strong contenders

>>54467005
Karl Franz and genderswapped Aenarion

>>54467276
I recall hearing that the Zoat was basically part of some dumb marketing project to give Warhammer a distinct beastery like DnD.

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As a someone who's wanting to get into somehow playing any tabletop in the Fantasy universe in this day in age, should I look into investing in Mordheim if there are people in my area who play?

I don't wanna be just stuck in the TWW pit forever I wanna roll some dice and paint some dudes.

>>54467323
It was their owner Bryan Ansell who at the time was rubbing Gerame Davis and Jess Goodwin the wrong way. When he proposed the Zoats, those two basically booed it down and said they could do better.

>>54467467
I don't recall much of Zoat lore or any lore referring to them

>>54467622
You are exactly correct. Bryan Ansell wanted Warhammer to have a distinct monster that when people saw it they would instantly know what it was from. As has been stated he proposed the Zoats to be this monster while the rest of the creative team made the fimir out of spite

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Zoats

It says Zoats have contact with Human druids.

You know who has lots of druids? Albion.

Albion army with Zoat allies confirmed for Brawl.

>>54467622
Ironically in some ways it sorta does and many other fantasy franchises have been copying them without knowing it.
Their characterization of orcs alone has really influenced fantasy pop culture.

My memory is hazy, do any of the factions in Warhammer have the ability to give people prosthetic limbs beyond peg legs and hook hands? Obviously they are all over the place in 40k.

Even if only like the iron hand you see on Guts from Berserk that was based on a similar thing in real life on a knight.

>>54468087
Chaos probably do.

Otherwise you're looking at hooks and peglegs

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>>54468087
Pretty sure dwarves can manage it, if anyone. There was a Chaos Dwarf sorcerer who made himself essentially an exo-suit in order to move around.

And a long, loooong time ago, there was a priest of Taal that basically made himself a mechanical arm of sorts.

>>54468130
You'd think the dwarfs would have something like a special character that's an engineer/runesmith whos gimmick was a couple of Gromril limbs, with the addition of runes to actually make them work.

>>54463313
filename: ive_been_looking_all_over_the_place_for_this_fucking_thing

>>54463542
filename:WTFdidthatbitchjustsaytome\?

>>54467692
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>>54466478
that is the most badass ratling i have ever seen. Fuck, i wouldn't even call him a ratling, i'd address him as a plague lord.

You think Ratlings just take random stabs at each other livers for fun? Like just to test each others reflexes? Like they consider casual or half assed attempts at killing each other as jokes between friends?

Like some ratling gets stabbed while hes not paying attention and he starts laughing and says, "Ahahahah, good one!" because hes just so used to getting randomly shanked and backstabbed.

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>>54468198
>>54468222
>>54468253
What is this new meme?

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>>54467030

Archaon & victory, of course!

>>54468179
That'd be fucking cool

>>54468341
I like to imagine that the Dark Elves and Skaven are a little less backstabby than what's written - at least to the point that they could actually have friends, without friendship being a weakness used to backstab them. The idea of backstabbing being a part of life to the point where it's not even something to be afraid of is kind of funny though.

>>54468341
In skaven society the one that got stabbed would immediately be set upon upon by his various rivals due to his weakened state rendering him vulnerable, and it would be justified since he lacked awareness enough to get stabbed in the first place.

>>54467005
Teclis and whores

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>>54467692
Mordheim is fun and not a huge investment in terms of models.
The thing you have to watch out for is that the game plays much better when you have a full table of terrain. And a fully-stocked mordheim table is a daunting prospect for a veteran wargamer, let alone a beginner (it also requires a whole lot of storage space).

I'd recommend some printable cardstock terrain to get you started at least.

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>>54468413
And here's what I actually intended to post.

>>54467697
Ironically it's Warhammer's take on 'generic' races like mummies, rat men, and orcs that are the most iconic, identifiable, influential, and long-lasting.

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>>54468413
Making a styrofoam building is not even that hard. Having ruins with good looking interiors is when it gets a bit more time consuming.

Total War Morathi is the best she's ever looked.

>>54468485
Probably because they're long-lasting for a reason - people will always like things that are both easily recognizable and classic, but kind of unique in their own right. You can't wow people on an entirely original design if it's not something people will really like or get.

And nowadays, so many people are moving away from the 'classic' formula, Warhammer feels almost like a well-made bit of the good ol' days when things made sense.

>>54468485
It is ironic. But with the coming Norsca DLC for Total War Warhammer the Fimir may finally get the recognition the creators had hoped for. And who knows, by now the disdain for Ansell and his ideas should have faded enough that even the Zoats may be brought into the limelight.

I mean I doubt it, but one can hope.

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>>54460074
>pick up mordheim on the steam sale
>enjoy xcom and tactical turnbased games
>love warhammer fantasy and happy to see no end times mentions in sight with mordheim
>play it
>it has rough edges
>but it's pretty damn fun

>>54468629
Zoats could work like this mod>>54460837 that was mentioned.
A melee/wizard hero that can be recruited by certain factions that accomplish the correct prerequisites.

They need to add something like that in general, units that can be recruited by multiple factions, would be important for proper Dogs of War.

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>>54468618
I think that "classic" winning formula will return, but like with everything, things come and go in popularity. unfortunately the switch in gameplay and most importantly, the change in theme of the warhammer world, seems to be what's in vogue currently. I mean look at 40k... the entire game post 8th now is of the same thematic and aesthic look of AOS.

Made for a much younger, crowd who don't get the appeal of the more gothic, grim dark universe of Warhammer O.W and 40k

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>>54468613
see >>54462684

>>54468618
People always gets sick of something when the market get oversaturated. The general moviegoers audience is even getting bored of the Marvel movies despite the movie property being well managed and avoiding making a lot of duds.

With the global communications of today the buzz also never ends, so people get sick of things even faster.

>>54468629
Zoats resemble centigors and dragon ogres too closely for that, I think.

>>54468694
That would be pretty cool, having some units recruitable for any army. Thing is in multiplayer it would get tedious always seeing the same unit no matter what the other player is playing.
Unless of course you just mean for singleplayer

>>54468786
so? Bretonnia resembles Empire too closely, but it got fucking implement for some fucking reason

>>54468695
I'm gonna say I *like* 40k having some positive progress rather than the usual tedious, annoying 'every victory is a phyrric victory we're all circling the drain' shit, even if I know it's a gimmick.

That was part of what made Fantasy better as a setting. You could win meaningful victories against the big bads and people could go on to live happy, peaceful, fairly free lives as a result.

>>54461877
Ah, thanks.

>>54468810
I didn't mind that in 40k because I always viewed it as the balls to the walls satirical setting where there was never any chance of victory for humanity anyway.

That being said, I always found WHFB to be the better and more interesting setting.

what are pros and cons of Mordheim and Frostgrave?

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>>54468752
I stand by my statement

Give me big hair and crazy head gear over generic slut any day

Can a Possessed warband in mordheim take a Chaos Spawn? I don't see an option in the Mordheim rulebook, but I'm pretty sure I've seen conversions with chaos spawns.

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Any idea if they're putting Norscans or something to the north of the Dark Elves?

I just realized I hadn't heard any mention of it, and that sort of worries me. It'd be bad enough if we couldn't get the Hung or Kurgan up there, but it'd be even worse if for some reason CA skipped that part.

>>54469127
I doubt they'll not put chaos up there, but ding dongs and conans are probably not ready for deployment.

>>54469127
Those are the hung I believe

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>>54466283
My lady, is this filthy and INSOLENT peasant causing you any anxiety. It's look like his disgusting and unchilvalrous language have cause you to grow pale. Must I dispatch the dogs to chase this insolent ?

>>54469094
I know they can in the PC game, and it's apparently accurate to the tabletop ruleset. I don't see why they couldn't.

>>54469127
Odds are Norsca will have a settlement in Lustria.

>>54468899
You need a lot of terrain for both of them to be good.

Frostgrave is a lot more light on the rules and getting miniatures for it is not an issue. Besides your leaders; everyone in the warband is a redshirt without any progression.

Mordheim has much more complex and specific rules, but it also has a lot more character to it than Frostgrave. Most members of the warband can advance with experience. Some of them can even grow into distinct and useful characters with specific quirks.

>>54469162
Fun fact, one of Neferata's hobbies is to trick Bretonnian knights into coming to Silver Pinnacle, where she plays with them until she's bored and then (usually) kills them.

Apparently she turns some but tends to be very bitchy about her boytoys and if they contract a case of the wandering eye, onto the spikes they go.

>>54469127
>altar of ultimate darkness

We laugh at AoS names, but this will never cease to make me lol

>>54468800
Bretonnia Resembles Empire... Someone doesn't know their medieval history me thinks...

>>54469251
Isn't that also the dumbass location that Archaon travels to at some point?

>>54469261
its a vaguely medieval pseudo-european human faction
one is more that enough for any setting

>>54469303
Knave, please.

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>>54469218
THAT'S A GRUDGI...Wait, I'm no dwarf. I can't have gruge...Haaa maudite soyez vous sombre sorcière ! En vérité, justice seras faite !

But yeah, I suppose it's wouldn't be so hard to lure Bretonnian knight here.

>>54469360
Neferata also likes doing the same to witch hunters and Imperial knights, apparently. Guess she has a corruption kink.

The things we do when we're bored.

>>54469360
Bretonnian knights, especially the Questing kind, tend to go after anything dangerous, and the latter by vow cannot ignore a request for help (the 'no plea for help shall find me wanting' bit) so it's pretty easy to send them on a deadly quest of some sort.

>>54469516
Still, St. George wasn't a fucking idiot. I'm guessing he went in there with at least 20 or 30 men.

>>54469661
Knight: Sir George, we've found you another squire!
Sir George: Lottery this time?
Knight: No, sir, caught pilfering an apple!
Sir George: Ah, excellent. Alright boy, I want you to go in that cave, and find out if there is a dragon in there.
(Screaming)
Sir George: Yup, looks like a dragon alright!
Knight: Send for another squire!

>>54465255
>>54465272
>>54465456
and there was the swamp monster thingie.

>>54470094
The fenn beast.

>>54470094
Fen beasts. Weirdly, Mousillon has a naturally occurring cousin.

>>54469303
Not if your setting is vaguely medieval pseudo-Europe it isn't.

>>54469168
yeah, but the stats/rules/point costs? where do I find them? they ain't in Hired Swords lists, nor in core Mordheim rulebook

>>54470144
Was the totally-not-the-Green-Man creature a Fennbeast?
I thought it might have been some kind of different sort or horribly killy and plant monster.

>>54470144
>>54470244
They're just regional variations of elementals like the forest spirits of athel loren aren't they? One plant daemon is much the same as another but what they look like is going to be dictated by the local foliage.

What are Fimirs?

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>>54460074

Damn lads, these threads are moving too quick for my usual Fantasy comfort zone.

> TFW I used to enjoy reading every post.

>>54461696

If you go on eBay and search for movement trays you'll find a company that laser cuts them for cheap to any size you want in 20mm increments.

>>54462684
I want this as an alternate costume for Morathi in TWW2

>>54467030
Detlef and Genevieve.

>>54470357

Rape monsters that were the chosen race of Chaos before the ascendance of mankind. They live in swamps.

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Someone last thread asked how to start Fantasy but I can't find the post.

Anyway, I would just say get Spire of Dawn, it's the old starter set, it comes with squares and everything you need. Then download the rules for 8th edition and the High Elf and Skaven army book for this thread and you're away.

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>tfw when trying to interest someone in WHFB

>>54468179
Google Burlok Damminson.

>>54469094
No. They do pop up as monsters, but not recruitableones. Mind you, your Possessed can fill the role of a Spawn quite nicely.

>>54470357
One of the first Chaos warrior races that got dumped by the gods when humanity wiggled it's pretty ass in front of them.

>>54470550

Vermintide is a hell of a recruiter.

>>54470357
An ancient race of troglodytes who predate humans and may predate the coming of the Old Ones. They sold themselves to the Ruinous Powers, and when the conquest of their souls was complete, the Four cast them aside as too boring to bother with. Now, like the Beastmen, they're un-favorites.

>>54470581
damn, I had other plans for Possessed, and idea for a big-gish Spawn. Oh well, change o'plans.

>>54470606
I'm actually gonna try Mordheim (tabletop) and maybe RPGs instead.

>>54470144
You mean the Grey Men? That thing was weird.

I figured it was something along the lines of a nature spirit or some other such creature that had been corrupted by whatever is going in Mousilion. My money is on some necromancer having busted a Waystone and letting the place get flooded with Dhar.

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>>54470678

Yeah Mordheim is good, or try Regiments of Renown which is a cross between Mord and 8th edition. Great for introducing people.

>>54469303
I would gladly have gotten rid of the dwarves and elves if it meant we could have had more human factions.

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Anyone have more of this kind of sketch art?

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>>54471363
Someone'll remember where the Imgur albums of the things are.

>>54460074
Anyone has whole pasta from OP?

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>>54471645
The Tzarina's Kossars to the Everchosen!

O Never-Chosen, ruinous daemon and damned daemon's kith and kin, scribe to Tzeentch himself. What kind of champion are thou, that canst not slay a snotling with your naked arse? Nurgle shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Kislev's sons; we have no fear of your horde, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

Thou Norscan scullion, Kurgan wheelwright, brewer of Bretonnia, goat-fucker of the Eastern Steppe, swineherd of man-beasts, pig of the North, Strigany thief, catamite of Slaanesh, hangman of Sylvania, and fool of all the Old World and New, an idiot before Dazh, grandson of the Ruinous Powers, and the crick in our dick. Goblin's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, mutated brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Kossars declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for Kislev. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; Mannslieb's in the sky, the year with the Tzarina, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

>>54460307
Reaper.

Best quality, selection, bottles.

>>54462452
Fimir failed because their stats sucked, and the models were too expensive.

The exact same reason that the Forgeworld era of WFB failed and we never got Blackfire Pass.

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>>54473267
> Blackfire Pass
When are we going to organize a heist to get it? There's a phsyical copy locked away somewhere.

>>54463584
Reminder that his grandaughter has a kid with Alucard.

Or whatever Sonia was. Great grandaughter?

>>54463684
They kill you when you aren't useful or sacrifice you as a pawn to Witch Hunters to get away, being under Lahmia thumb makes you a target for Von Carsteins and Strigoi. Lahmians also dislike non-humans, so they'll piss off Dwarfs and Elves.

On the other hand they fuck up Chaos, Skaven, other Vampire Bloodlines, and greenskins, so its not entirely bad.

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>>54464026
Ja.

>>54465358
Those Giants are as civilized as their human counterparts.

>>54473295
>break into GW
>find the Blackfire Pass book
>open it
>it's just full of notes for AoS

>>54473336
To be fair, you'd probably get the same treatment under the Von Carsteins or Strigoi, at least as far as killing and sacrificing. And probably Necrarchs. Maybe not Abhorash, since they'd enjoy a fight either way, but they won't ever save your ass.

>>54467005
Arkhan and Neferata.

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>>54473382
Gods damnit
I just want to see if there are actual new Orc characters and the Thunderbarge.

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>>54468087
Dwarfs can do it.
High Elves could probably magic one up, although I recall a crippled old general from one of the novels lamenting that he couldn't ride a chariot anymore.
Wood Elves could tree one up.

Skaven could do magitek or replacement limbs. They're like Adeptus Mechanus mixed with Orks.

Chaos mutated shit.

>>54470357
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Fimir

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>>54473403

>>54473382
Strigoi tolerate Strigany only, but treat them like family.
Von Carsteins see all humans as inferior. You'd be like Underbeit's men from Venture Brothers. With Lahmians they want to act living and keep up the disguise forever, so they behave like a normal wife.

>>54473295
Next time GW asks for what we want MTO, let's spam Blackfire Pass.

>>54462684
She looks like she's *lost* weight in that one! Doesn't have the evil MILF look at all.

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>>54473459

>>54468651
How's the singleplayer? My internet is shit, and I really need a good singleplayer component to feel like I got my money's worth.

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>>54473602

>>54471363
https://mega.nz/#!7YRQAIYK!i0pApWmmBHchBbjksi08koQ9BzdVC2mpzPBmNStY4AY

>>54473681
AI zergling rushes and mostly ignores objectives. Depending on the faction, that's either to your benefit or detriment.

>>54473890
>Someone'll remember where the Imgur albums of the things are.

Not that guy but I came here to ask for these. Thanks.

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>>54462684
Its not Morathi but generic sorceress here is Morathi from AoR.

>>54474039
Ech, butter face.

>>54473890
Thanks anon, this is fantastic.

>>54460111
>tfw I'm the only person who likes the idea that Mal bitched out from his destiny as the king in the end

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>>54474334
Because it makes no sense, since his entire motivation after that point is that he feels cheated of kingship. It also devalues every other Phoenix King by basically saying 'they cheated and didn't do it right.' Why didn't anyone tell them they were doing it wrong? How was Malekith supposed to know he was doing it right? As far as I know, all the elves know is that the rightful kings won't be harmed by the flames, while false kings will. Malekith was obviously burned by the fire.

It feels like it was just included for the sudden twist more than anything else, and pulls the rug out from under decades of lore. Imagine if Archaon, instead of getting beat up by Grimgor at the end of the Storm of Chaos campaign, had Be'lakor appear in front of him all smug with the Crown of Domination on his head going 'Sorry Archie, you could've been the REAL Everchosen if you'd just tried to believe in Sigmar a little longer.'

>>54474499
Tyrion and Malekith cucked each other, that's all that matters.

>>54473298
Not canon.

>>54468913
I'm just miffed at how small her boobs are.

Yeah, I know how that sounds, but I'd prefer it if they went full on with the "Evil MILF" vibe.

Worked for Ragyo.

>>54474860
I'm sure that'll be one of the first mods put out. Big ol' Morathi titties

>>54468087
>iron hand you see on Guts from Berserk that was based on a similar thing in real life on a knight.
Who was nicknamed Götz.

>>54474931
It better be.

It's a crying shame there's so little good art of her, as well. You'd think that an evil elf matriarch with her top out would have people crawling over each other to draw stuff of her, but nooo.

>glancing through thread trying to figure out why the fuck this shit sucks so bad
>warhammer fantasy
ah

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Alright, someone's bound to have asked this question at some point or another, and I'm aware it sounds about as lame an idea as you can get, but whatever.

How can I justify someone who is, for all intends and purposes, a commoner, being knighted in Brettonia, *without* having to do something that'd make any kind of Quest for the Grail seem lacklustre by comparison?

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>>54475195
Keep your eyes open.

>>54475195
It's like how a bunch of hardcore ecchi series don't get a lot of porn doujinshi. But in that case it's because people already get what they want with the main material.

>>54475233
>being knighted in Brettonia, *without* having to do something that'd make any kind of Quest for the Grail seem lacklustre by comparison?

Depends on how you want to play it, but here's some ideas.

>A grateful lord knighting a commoner for saving his life.
>A snarky politic lord's daughter gets caught with a commoner, to save face the lord states 'No, I knighted him for - INSERT DEED HERE'.
>Commoner and Squire traveling together, Squire dies and Commoner gets confused for him and is knighted in his stead.
>To raise moral on the verge of a peasant riot, the local lord holds a tourney and promises knighthood for the victor - but it comes with a compulsory quest somewhere far, far away where he won't serve as a beacon for the local peasants as someone to unite behind.

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>>54474860
As far as I know, she's never been depicted as particularly curvy. Probably because elfness and setting them apart from humans in how they're all 'perfect' and thin as sticks, but even then, if you had a couple thousand years and several hundred cauldrons of blood to work off the baby fat, you would. No real excuse for it at that point, even if she wasn't actively seducing everyone she needed for her schemes.

Also, petty point, but it's kind of unfair to compare a character that's been around for decades, and one that's not even five years old yet. I know you could probably find fifteen other evil MILF characters with a google search that are far older, but that just makes me feel more firmly that I'm glad that's not the first thing GW sprung for. Not every female character needs HUGE TITS or THICC THIGHS. Variety is spice of life.

As for the lack of porn, I can't explain that. It seems like these days you only get a lot of porn with a boom in internet popularity. It's been hard enough getting decent work for 40k, let alone fantasy.

It's 1 in the morning and I'm arguing about fictional women and their tits on a Mongolian rug-weaving forum like it's something legitimate, fuck me

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>>54475233
TWW has story about peasant who became knighted by Lady after he slew chaos tainted lord.

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>>54475296
>she's never been depicted as particularly curvy.
Nay.

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>>54475296

>>54475350
>>54475323
Sheesh, that's a drag act look right there

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>>54475233
Could have the Fay Enchantress just knight him, no one can argue with that. Depending on how you do it, it'd be fun and interesting - poor peasant gets knighted out of nowhere and has to scramble to prove himself, when he never asked for it and the nobles hate him for it. There was also a story that came out with the Bretonnia update for Total Warhammer where a peasant gets guided by the Lady to take down a corrupted lord, and earns knighthood in a sense as he has to protect his village after.

There's a bit of fluff about a peasant called Huebald who was briefly knighted, purportedly due to his friendship with the daughter of the Duke of Gisoreux (it's told in-character, and part of the story is debated by another character, so I can't be sure how true it is).

Could probably pull together a scenario where a peasant is declared to have been of a secret/lost line of nobility only recently uncovered in the records of heraldry, or poses as a knight until he's actually knighted by someone higher up who recognizes how cool he is.

Just remember that it's super rare for a peasant to ever be knighted, since it's one of the many ways that the nobles of Bretonnia consider themselves special. It's to the point that I seriously worry about including it in a game or story at all - it's like 'a drow that is good and hates the persecution of the surface world' sort of rare.

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>>54474499
Wasn't Aenarion the first and only Phoenix King to successfully go through the flames? Nobody ever contested that because he went through in desperation, without thinking, 100% legit.
It feels like there were always hints that the other Phoenix Kings cheated.
Even in the earlier lore, all we had was Bel-Shannars word that he did go through flames. He just showed up at the council and said "Yeah, I walked through the flames, no biggie. I'm king now" and everyone, including Malekith, believed him.
One of the kings if I remember correctly committed suicide by walking into the fires a second time (only this time without magical protection). Why would the fires kill him if he was the rightful king?
Then there's the Phoenix Guard. Instead of guarding the King, they guarded the Flames. That never made any sense to me. They could've guarded both. It makes sense if they knew the Kings were impostors.
But then, why didn't Aenarion tell Malekith that he was melted first and then rebuilt like a phoenix to prepare him for the eventuality? Maybe he was just a shitty dad.

tl;dr Malekith panicked, world eventually died. Elven gods are insane.

>>54474089
I kind of like her having black eyes.

But then again Morathi needs the batshit insane crazy eyes that black eyes couldn't give.

>>54475260
>When you nut so hard you make Mannfredface

>>54475296
>Also, petty point, but it's kind of unfair to compare a character that's been around for decades, and one that's not even five years old yet.
Bleh, I was thinking in terms of actual looks. Don't really see how that's unfair, but whatever.

I just feel like you don't get a lot of characters in her position who have her kind of history. So, something in her appearance should reflect that, even if it's just her hips being wider than most of the other elves.

As for arguing into the wee small hours of the morning, I don't think you've got anything to worry about just yet. Far worse wastes of time have been committed on this site, and at worse times as well.

>>54475393
>Just remember that it's super rare for a peasant to ever be knighted, since it's one of the many ways that the nobles of Bretonnia consider themselves special. It's to the point that I seriously worry about including it in a game or story at all - it's like 'a drow that is good and hates the persecution of the surface world' sort of rare.
Oh, of course. I can see a lot of the other nobles seeing this as a mistake and/or grave slight against the very notion of knighthood. And whilst they won't go so far as to say the king is in the wrong, they'll be dismissive at best of the new knightling, and hostile at worst.

>>54475446
>One of the kings if I remember correctly committed suicide by walking into the fires a second time (only this time without magical protection). Why would the fires kill him if he was the rightful king?
Took him like two days to die, though, and he burned silently the entire time.

You'd think that, if it was rejecting him, it'd have been a bit quicker about it.

>>54475446
>Wasn't Aenarion the first and only Phoenix King to successfully go through the flames? Nobody ever contested that because he went through in desperation, without thinking, 100% legit.
Aenarion was in original lore supposed to be the ONLY Phoenix King. Everyone saw him as Asuryan's Doomguy chosen and followed him. After he died, they all shrugged and figured they kept needing a single military leader to unite all ten kingdoms.

The 8e/End Times retcon is the Flames being something other than ceremonial.

>One of the kings if I remember correctly committed suicide by walking into the fires a second time (only this time without magical protection). Why would the fires kill him if he was the rightful king?
The lore outright stated "No being could survive the flames a second time" suggesting he did go through once.
>Then there's the Phoenix Guard. Instead of guarding the King, they guarded the Flames. That never made any sense to me. They could've guarded both. It makes sense if they knew the Kings were impostors.
They don't guard kings, but do appear to give them ceremonial burial. Why would so much importance be placed on honorable burial for traitors?
>But then, why didn't Aenarion tell Malekith that he was melted first and then rebuilt like a phoenix to prepare him for the eventuality? Maybe he was just a shitty dad.
There was never meant to be a second king, Malekith was not his heir. Also yeah, Aenarion post-Widowmaker was shit.

>>54475585
Go full sperg on it.

The local lord is legitimately suffering from Dementia and has just knighted a commoner in the midst of his madness.

It just hasn't been outright discounted because no-one is admitting that the lord is losing his marbles, so they're forced to play along OR go against him and risk war.

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>>54475585
It would actually be fun to see the Bretonnian ideas of chivalry strained like that - they want to make sure this guy doesn't succeed, but don't want to outright break their own codes in order to do so (they'd be happy if he was dead, but can't stab him in the back, for instance). So they have to be crafty about getting him stuck in bad situations, causing him to accidentally insult others or shame himself and lose station, draw him into duels and make sure he's the weaker party by getting him drunk or tampering with his gear...maybe as a final bit of dickery they give him a bow and tell him they're going out hunting, and strand him among a group of beastmen without any other weapons - either he dies or he fights using a bow and dishonors himself.

And then you can have a moment where the king or duke is mad near the end because he's found out about what these nobles are doing, and the nobles try to go 'but we didn't have to treat him fairly, he's a peasant.' And you can get a real clear look about how biased the Bretonnian system is, which is all the more fun when it's obvious the nobles are legitimately in the wrong but are refusing to admit it. And there's also the slightly interesting idea of there being contrasts between the nobles themselves, like the duke/king and the treacherous nobles - something I'd appreciate, with how the lore seems to generally portray them as all being essentially good.

It actually makes me a little sad that the lore goes so far to say 'peasants being knighted is near-impossible,' with all you could do with it.

>>54475617
Burning up for two days seems a far greater punishment than burning up quickly though.
What if the fires were so painful he couldn't even scream?

>>54475630
>The lore outright stated "No being could survive the flames a second time" suggesting he did go through once.
He was the only being to ever walk into the fires a second time. I think that saying stems from that fact, not that it was established like a rule before that. Why would he be certain that the flames would kill him? It was never done before. It makes some sense if he cheated the first time and knew the flames would reject him the second time and burn him like they did with Malekith.

>They don't guard kings, but do appear to give them ceremonial burial. Why would so much importance be placed on honorable burial for traitors?
Because they are going along with the charade for the good of Ulthuan? Perhaps Asuryan told them to. If they declined to bury their kings it would definitely raise a few eyebrows.

>>54475755
>Because they are going along with the charade for the good of Ulthuan?
Maybe they all were. If the guy who god wants to be king is an incestuous, villainous fuckhead who's made it his life's work to destroy your entire civilisation, who cares what god wants?

>>54475867
To be fair, hen Malekith was young he was a pretty decent chap. The only elf to ever earn the title 'dwarf-friend'.

>>54475755
>He was the only being to ever walk into the fires a second time. I think that saying stems from that fact, not that it was established like a rule before that. Why would he be certain that the flames would kill him? It was never done before. It makes some sense if he cheated the first time and knew the flames would reject him the second time and burn him like they did with Malekith.

Again, the original lore is the High Elves just decided they'd have Phoenix Kings from then on, and the Flames were ceremonial.
Again, the text on his suicide implies he made it once, it was merely the second time he couldn't take.
>Because they are going along with the charade for the good of Ulthuan? Perhaps Asuryan told them to. If they declined to bury their kings it would definitely raise a few eyebrows.

According to ET lore, that's fucking bullshit. They were traitors that Asuryan made insane because its all that was in his power to do.

The Phoenix Guard appear to bury the king because he is prophesied to die at that time and they are instructed by Asuryan to give him honorable burial.

Literally the only way it makes sense that he sabatoges them and make ones like Caledor II go full-retard and fuck the entire race but also wants to maintain order is if Asyruan is as crazy and arbitrary as Tzeentch.

>>54475880
And look what he turned into. You think that wouldn't have happened if he had become king anyway?

>>54475880
No, he was the first.

Malekith was doomed by the Curse Of Aenarion to be a garbage person. All of Aenarion's male descendants do.

>>54475900
go to and don't come back>>>>54450221

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>>54475867
If he made civilization filled with hot murder babes i am on board with his politics.

>>54475937
This guy gets it.

>>54475937
It's only fun when you're not the one being sacrificed.

Those murder babes won't seem as hot when they've ripped out your heart so they can shlick themselves with your still-warm blood.

>>54475973
Hot.

>>54475919
Why? Because your Malekith fanboyism is contradicted by both non-ET AND ET lore?

Fuck you. Your husbando is shit. He's intended to be shit, because he's avillain and he's not Chaos.

>>54475747
I feel as though there should be one or two knights on the side of this new guy, to prevent him being bumped off straight away if nothing else.

The hard part would be figuring out why. What kind of stake these guys have in supporting the new knight.

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>>54475984
No, i've only began.

>>54475984
No, "Curse of Khaine" has him as a misunderstood good guym (Think Illidan), The ET final book says that there is good in him conflicting with the darkness. Malekith sacrificed himself to save the Everqueen from getting crushed and begged her and Tyrion to run. He is a good guy.

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>>54475937
>I will fill this civilization with hot murder babes! Except in a thousand-meter radius around anon.

>>54476047

Illidan is pretty objectively a bad guy, despite working against the demons.

>>54476024
Upholding their own sense of chivalry that wouldn't allow them to disrespect even a 'false' knight so, a sense of duty and obligation to the duke or whoever knighted the peasant...maybe they actually like the peasant - he could be a low-brow but legitimately nice guy, and they don't want to see him killed for reasons that more and more begin to feel rather petty. Maybe the peasant is the only one that can stand the bastard seething about how he'll never inherit anything from his father, or the mournful Brionnian who's always writing poetry about his lost waifu.

>>54475900
>According to ET lore, that's fucking bullshit.

All the more reason to ignore ET lore.

This isn't /aosg/ and ET lore is definitely part of AoS.

>>54476047
>there is good in him conflicting with the darkness

Same shit as Archaon.

Its fucking revisionist trash. Not every villain is Anakin fucking Skywalker and GW has yet to pull one of those archtypes off.

They should stick to the only thing they're good at. Elric expies.

>>54476090
Exactly.

If he's shit in original lore, and he's shit in ET lore, then in no way is he not shit.

>>54476168
>Same shit as Archaon.

No, Archaon's goodness was never smothered by his corruption and darkness.

Malekith's goodness that was rekindled by the dying flame of Asuryan started to fade as the Winds of Shadow clung to his soul and began crushing the nobility from his soul.

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Don't mind me, I'm busy being the fabulous true Emperor in a last-minute plot twist. It turns out I had good inside me all along, even if I destroyed pretty much the entire Empire north of Altdorf and am going to keep doing the same shit I've always done.

>>54476203
Quick question?

Is anyone actually still evil in Warhammer in ET? If deep down everyone has a spark of good, why the fuck do Chaos Gods exist as they do when the explanation for why they are evil is that deep down all mortals are shit and it outweighs any good?

I mean serously. At this point they may as well say Horned Rat was just a neglected child who needs a father figure for the Skaven to suddenly turn good.

>>54476246
Thanqoul. All Chaos dudes except Archaon because they didn't have a background of being a decent guy.

>>54476224
The Empire is weak, those who are weak fall to Chaos, there is nothing wrong with this. He is objectively correct, only those strong enough to fight against the forces of evil and prevail are worthy enough to inherit prosperity.

>>54476266
Glottkin are poor woobies who dindu nuffin. Wulfrik, but that's not new lore.

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>>54476268
>Sigvald
>Strong

>>54476246
Mannfred, Drachenfels, Kemmler, Arbaal, Valkia, Sigvald, Vilitch.

>>54476276
>Glottkin are poor woobies

Glottkin come from a tragic background but they are total assholes who enjoy their work. Archaon hates what he does.

>Wulfrik, but that's not new lore.

Wulfrik is neither tragic or have any decency in him. Read his novel, anon. He is a straight up cunt. A likable cunt but a cunt nonetheless.

Gonna be running my first WHFRP session in a few days. Starting with Pretty Things from the GM Pack book, thinking about segueing into Paths of the Damned if all goes well.

Most of my players are totally green to the Warhammer fantasy world but have gotten a little bit of exposure to 40k through Dark Heresy. Any advice?

>>54476284
He is but the pinky finger of the well oiled and muscular arm of Chaos. He is strong, in a bell curve sort of way.

>>54476284
Makes it even worse fool, the fact that Sigvald, one of the biggest losers in Chaos, was able to fuck over the Empire in the north to the extent he did. The fact that the Empire was curbstomped by such a poofter should never be forgotten. If the same thing had happened to the Dwarves on that level, there wouldn't be anymore Dwarves left because they would have all killed themselves rather then exist in the shame of collectively knowing the precise flavoring of Sigvald's pencil dick.

All the heroic villain bullshits they were doing in the ET has also been polluting 40k for years now.

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>>54470581
>Burlok Damminson
Kickass

>>54476304

Also Nagash, Krell, all the daemons really.

>>54476751
Gonna be real funny for you when Krull is the one that offs Nagash, not anyone from the Empire.

>>54476246
The end times was such absolute rubbish

>>54475309
Sir Geg of Wainfleet as a Grail Knight that fights on foot with a lance would be an extremely cool hero.

He'd have a full suit of armor patched together from those of the knights sent to slay him.
Would come with traits that make peasants and pilgrims more badass and harder to break

>>54476856

That would be like Schwarzhelm killing Karl Franz.

>>54477056
>"You know, Schwarz', what Leitdorf said about your moustache is actually pretty funny..."

we have mini manufacturers list in the OP, but has anyone got a list of scenery/decorations manufacturers? I need some shit to make Mordgrave scenery

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Anybody have a copy of this character sheet that doesn't fuck up the layering on the headers when you try to view or print it with anything but adobe reader? This is one of the only 2e sheets I've seen that doesn't look like shit and the fact that I can't print two sided from reader and if I print it using any other viewer it looks all fucked up is activating my autism hard.

>>54476246
The End Times was shit because it was a special character driven narrative and most of the special characters were never more interesting than being archetypes or plot points.

The factions themselves were always the real star of WHFB.

>>54477454
The end time was shit because it destroyed a much beloved fantasy setting and replaced with something that traded its soul for spess mehreens

>>54477719
Just wait, one day they will replace the Storm-mahreens with taller Storm-mahreens

>>54476024
If he got his title from the Fay enchantress, you can be sure most knight will not LIKE it, but will respect this; that's the Fay Enchantress, if she say so, then it is.

>>54478240
How do you fact check something like that?

>>54478240
How often does she do stuff like that, though?

>>54478291
>>54478280
I don't think they are any actual example; I suppose it would be really fucking rare; like a "Kill a Chaos Champion with a stick and stay alive" probability of happening. But would it happen, you can be pretty sure everyone would know of this; and no one would bother trying anything against him, because it would be insulting the fay.

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>>54478291
Three times.

>>54462330
You can't have a Tzeentch mount on a nurgle character and you can't have a magic item more than once.

>>54462041
As a Nurglite I'd probably take something along the line of this setup:


++ Standard (Warriors of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [1246pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Heroes +

Chaos Sorcerer [246pts]: Barded Chaos Steed, Lore of Death, Mark of Nurgle, Wizard Level 2
. Chaos Mutations & Powers: Chaos Familiar
. Magic Items: BRB - Charmed Shield, BRB - Talisman of Preservation

+ Core +

Chaos Chariot [125pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Chaos Chariot [125pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Chaos Chariot [125pts]: Mark of Nurgle

Chaos Chariot [125pts]: Mark of Nurgle

+ Special +

Chaos Knights [255pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer
. 5x Chaos Knight: 5x Ensorcelled weapons, 5x Mark of Nurgle

Chimera [245pts]: Regenerating Flesh

++ Total: [1246pts] ++

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It's fast, hard-hitting and with alot of staying power.

>>54478930
>whole lot of chariots
Ok Surtha we get it.

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>>54478930
>the chariot spam is on the tabletop as well

>>54478930

That would be an interesting list to play, not sure how it would preform though.

>>54479035
this. I would add 2 more chariots instead of chaos knights

>>54462041
>>54478930

This one might also be a fun one:


++ Standard (Warriors of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [1238pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Heroes +

Chaos Sorcerer [180pts]: Chaos Mutations & Powers, Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 2
. Magic Items: BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Talisman of Endurance

Exalted Hero [226pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, Halberd, Mark of Nurgle
. Chaos Mutations & Powers: Hideous Visage, Scaled Skin
. Magic Items: AB - Helm of Many Eyes, BRB - Dawnstone

+ Core +

Chaos Warhounds [30pts]: 5x Chaos Warhound

Chaos Warhounds [30pts]: 5x Chaos Warhound

Forsaken [105pts]
. 5x Forsaken: 5x Forsaken of Slaanesh

Chaos Warriors [317pts]
. Champion
. 16x Chaos Warrior: 16x Mark of Nurgle, 16x Shields
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness

+ Special +

Chaos Trolls [210pts]: 6x Chaos Troll

Gorebeast Chariot [140pts]: Mark of Nurgle

++ Total: [1238pts] ++

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