EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54446448
>Has your opinion of C17 changed at all with this latest announcement?

What announcement?

>>54446470
http://imgur.com/a/gOoRw

>>54446448
>Has your opinion of C17 changed at all with this latest announcement?
gib

>>54446470
We have the art for the remaining two commanders.

>>54446488
i aint clicking that shit nigga

Cancer-free edition (OK it was made by mistake but that's a reason to not delete it.)

>>54446479

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>>54446470
No so much an announcement as another potential mishap.

They, possibly inadvertently, revealed the artwork for the remaining two cover cards. One seems to be Edgar Markov, or perhaps Runo Stromkirk, which would obviously make the tribe Vampires. The other is a bit more ambiguous, but common guesses as Clerics, Wizards, or Rogues.

Gib URW tribal Wall commander

>Has your opinion of C17 changed at all with this latest announcement?

It pisses me off Wizards isn't releasing spoilers so everyone will be forced to scramble and preorder in hopes of getting anything at all before they cut production months before they should

>>54446522
Alright then stay uninformed.

>>54446570
>be on an image board
>post imgur link
yeah no

>>54446448
>Has your opinion of C17 changed at all with this latest announcement?
Since I have wanted to build a Vampire EDH deck for a while, definitely

>>54446606
Between the BW Vampires lately and the upcoming W Vampires in Ixalan, it's looking very likely Vampires are going to be Mardu.

>>54446488
literally the point of this website is posting images
what is this imgur shit?

>>54446632
Literally there's more than one picture and someone already made an album.

>>54446646
yeah I know I looked at them
but you are still a low agency faggot for not posting them to the thread
especially considering they are not long for this world on that link

id correct your mistakes but im at work

>>54446671
>they are not long for this world on that link

What nonsense are you on about?

It should have been rats, skeletons, or oozes.

>>54446680
it will be shoah'd before this thread hits bump limit

>>54446680
Leaks get culled from imgur pretty quickly.

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>>54446671

>>54446737
>Leaks get culled pretty quickly
>That Imgur's been up for 16 hours
>They're straight from Wizard's site for C17

>>54446770
>No birds to show us how big those dragons are

They're cat sized for all we know

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>>54446770
thank you!

>>54446805
In the picture there are tons of birds they are just so small you can't see them

>>54446780
wheres the link to wizard's?

>>54446848
Literally just the Commander 2017 page

http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/commander-2017

>>54446848
>Wizards of the Coast
>Magic: The Gathering
>Upcoming Products
>Commander 2017
Don't be an faggot. Takes 10 seconds.

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>>54446805

>>54446890
>>54446872
>>54446488
take note kids, this is exactly how NOT to give out information
note the disjointed style and assumption that everyone knows the information already

>>54446538

Rogues. Please please please Rogues. I need a Dimir counterpart to Edric.

>>54446929
>I'm too fucking lazy to click a link that takes me off the current page I'm on

>>54446929
>needing to be spoonfed information
>complaining that people don't assume that you're bumfuck retarded
Go whine more.

>>54446538
>giving up on the Ninja dream

You gotta believe, anon.

>>54446968
>Go whine more.
believe you me I will

>>54446968
>hey guys did you hear the new announcement
>no what is it
>pics
>hey these leaks might be removed
>URA DUMBFUK FOR NOT KNOWING THE SOURCE

>>54446971
I don't have to do anything. Let me die, like my dreams before me.

>>54447014
calm down you baboon

>>54446448
>Thread Question:
Nope. I was skeptic from the start, but if the vampire ends up being Edgar and being mardu, I'll gladly give in to the jew overlords.
On the other hand. I hope we get interesting reprints.

>>54446971
When nobody expects it, no decklist, nothing. A hidden, secret deck

A 5th deck will appear out of nowhere in game stores. Ninjas!

>>54446770
What's with Ahrabo's face? It's like someone's is taking his temperature at the vet.

>>54447091
I think the idea is the clerics image has ninja esque people behind her

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>>54446770
So, how many redditors will use this as their vampire alt?

>>54447185
>UB ninjas
I wish.

Why can't O-Kagachi be better?

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Is there any way to feasibly use Brisela in EDH? I debated tossing her into Athreos where Bruna has plenty of Human targets.

>>54447373
>Is there any way to feasibly use Brisela in EDH? I debated tossing her into Athreos where Bruna has plenty of Human targets.
yes use the smaller CMC among them in a mono white tax deck

>>54447373
Bruna in the command zone, they don't work great as a secret commander largely because they don't do enough to merit the tutors

>>54446538
i feel like i've seen this art or lady before but i cant put my finger on it

just me?

>>54447354
Because wizards hates kamigawa and they're going have have nuphyrexia clean up the multiverse of all these old planes they care nothing for, including lorwyn/shadowmoor.

>>54447460
She reminds me very vaguely of Karametra's Acolyte.

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>>54447354
Yeah compared to how grand he supposedly was in Kamigawa flavor he seems a bit...petty?
Anyways, it's an actual 5c spirit and also from Kamigawa so time to make casual spirit/arcane pile.

>>54447373
Looks feasible to assemble in Sisay maybe.

>>54446448
So.. why was Nahiri a dick here?

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>>54446448

I'll try this again. Is there any way to use Liliana, Heretical Healer and Mikaeus the Unhallowed in combination with one another?

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>>54447544

>>54447544
>>54447565
Use Lil as Commander and just run Mikey. Pretty basic.

>>54447540
Sorin locked her in the Helvault for thousands of years.

>>54447544
Have them both on the field at the same time

>>54447615
>thousands of years
It wasn't THAT long.

>>54447615
and why was Sorin a dick?

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>>54447460
The face markings are a little familiar.

>>54447691
>>54447522
hm. not what i had in mind. Might just be thinking of "black and purple liliana promo #924686"

>>54447544
>>54447565
Are you talking about the interaction of Lili's ult and Mikaeus' reanimation ability? You should be able to stack the triggers in whatever manner is favorable to you (i.e. if you want the counter then stack undying first and if you don't want the counter then Lili's ult first).

>>54447540
Nahiri, Ugin, and Sorin made a deal that they'd seal away the Eldrazi on Zendikar. Nahiri would watch over them, and if they ever threatened to break free she'd call the others and they'd do it again. She then went into hibernation for a few millennia to keep watch. The Eldrazi weakened their prisons, she woke up, called the other two, but they never showed up, because Ugin was dead and Sorin had blocked off all contact on Innistrad. She sealed the Eldrazi by herself then went to look for them. Found Sorin as he was finishing the Helvault, asked him to come back and help check the leylines and hedrons, he went full "nothing personnel" on her, saying that he didn't care about his promise, she attacked him, he and Avacyn locked her in the Helvault. Insult to injury, when Thalia broke the vault and she got out and returned to Zendikar, it was too late, and the Eldrazi had already gigafucked it. She figured she'd return the favor, killed his family, locked him in stone, and brought Emrakul to ruin his plane.
>>54447652
>>54447615
It was a bit under 1000 years, story is Stone and Blood from Eldritch Moon.

>>54447690
Because Nahiri wanted him to do shit on Zendikar. He had better shit to do and told her to fuck off. She got violent, Avacyn showed up, and Nahiri got locked up.

Then later when she got out Nahiri went back to Zendikar, saw the Eldrazi basically destroyed it, blamed Sorin, and led Emrakul to Innistrad as payback. Also she destroyed his home and servants for further revenge.

Oh also she trapped Sorin in stone and left. Then Olivia laughed at him and took his sword. Sorin is still there.

>>54447460
Disciple of Deceit?

>>54446538
The vampire is definitely Edgar. We haven't seen him obv but Runo would have to have a certain aethetic due to his thematic leanings. Also don't think they'd do gold eyes + silver hair unless they wanted relation to Sorin. Sweet art though. Not the slightest clue on the other character though, but Clerics seems the safest guess.

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>>54447460
Yes you have

>>54447744
That's so not cool.

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>>54447789
To be fair, and I say this as a fan of Sorin? He brought it on himself.

>>54447690
Nahiri tried to get Sorin to help because the seal on the Eldrazi was acting up. When Sorin didn't come help, she was afraid he was dead, so she went to Innistrad. Turns out Sorin just got done making the Helvault and Avacyn, and the Helvault was what blocked Nahiri's call for help.

Sorin didn't apologize or act particularly concerned about the accidental blindspot, so Nahiri got upset. Nahiri decided Sorin was being too dismissive of her because he didn't respect her as a planeswalker, so she attacked him to prove herself. Avacyn intervened to protect Sorin and Nahiri was going to attack her, so Sorin stuffed her in the Helvault to keep her from injuring or destroying Avacyn.

Both of them were huge twats and it upset a lot of people that the conflict that led to all this was altogether rather petty.

>>54447789
Oh, forgot that she also drove Avacyn mad before doing the rest.

>>54447945
I actually don't remember if she purposefully knew the cryptoliths would fuck up the angels or if it was a happy accident. I feel like she had to have known since Avacyn was the one keeping Emrakul from getting in, but I seem to recall it being said somewhere that it was specifically an unintended side effect.

>>54447837
I'd say she went a little overboard on her revenge. Does she have a right to fight Sorin? Sure. To fuck up his whole plane? No, that's just being petty. So typical Oldwalker stuff. She didn't even check the rest of Zendikar to see if it was intact. She saw one wasteland, thought the whole place was ruined, and went off to fuck shit up.

>>54447984
She fucked up his plane because he locked in a hellish emptiness where she was feeling demons and shit she couldn't even see, and she thought he left her plane to die. But the initial interaction was very petty yes.

>>54447922
I can see both sides of the story, but Nahiri's case is a LOT stronger than Sorin's. She's the one who starts the fight, but
>"Don't presume to own my actions, young one. I am obligated to nothing. I owe you nothing! When your Planeswalker spark first ignited, it was I who discovered you. I could have ended you there, but I spared you."
His defense is that he didn't kill her when they first met so he's all good.
>>54447984
No, she wakes up on Akoum which was rather wrecked but intact, and then goes to Bala Ged which had been erased.

>>54448027
Yeah, but that's not an actual justification. It's like if you were mad at your former friend Dan from Wyoming, so you destroyed all of Wyoming. It wasn't Wyoming's fault that Dan was such a cunt.

>>54448057
Well, you know what they say about millenia old vampires.

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Ok I played around with Rashmi on xmage a little bit and it was actually kinda fun. I don't like playing draw & go counterspell memery but it's pretty fun to spend your turns building up your board during other people's turns

Anyone know any really interesting spicy and interactive instants in simic colors that aren't boring staples? Stuff like Desertion and so on. I'll go spice mining on magiccards.info soon but if you guys got any killer suggestions throw them at me

>>54448062
Eh, no, it makes sense to me in a way that makes sense in a fantasy world anyway. It'd be like if you believes terrorists nuked your home in Arizona and Dan had the ability to prevent it but didn't give enough of a shit to, so then you fuck up Wyoming.

Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty flimsy plot device but I get what they were going for.

>>54448057
Neither of them have a case for being cunts and Nahiri doesn't have a leg to stand on for fucking up Innistrad. Zendikar can bounce back somewhat and actually had some natural defenses against the Eldrazi. Innistrad was already apocalyptic on the best of days and adding Eldrazi to the mix while removing its only defenses that Sorin had worked hard to build is totally unnecessary.

>>54448062
If you were the sole protector of Arizona and Dan locked you in jail while Satan made Arizona his bitch then you might feel more inclined to let Satan loose in Wyoming and see how Dan likes it.
>>54448072
They're dickheads?

>>54448112
It's still not Wyoming's fault that Dan didn't decide to help in that scenario. There's no way Wyoming deserves to be destroyed for Dan's actions.

>>54448114
One of them said "Hey, you said I could call you for help but you've didn't answer the phone?" and the other said "Oh, I had the phone set to silent, but it's okay, I don't have to help you, because I could have murdered you so you owe me."

>>54448120
No, I really wouldn't. I would see fit to fuck up Dan, but not all of Wyoming as per your example. Wyoming had nothing to do with it while Arizona was already knee-deep in shit. The reason Dan didn't come help in the first place was because he was busy fortifying Wyoming to deal with the problems it already had.

>>54448153
>because I could have murdered you so you owe me.
That was less of an excuse for Sorin and more of a "don't fuck with me because I never had to save you in the first place." I see it as more of a reminder that he's got shit going on and he can't always be assed to help out others, especially when he doesn't have to.

>>54448159
And then when Wyoming was safe and you asked him to help you back in Arizona he said no.

>>54448196
Yeah, and he's a dick for that, but I wouldn't see it fit to fuck up all of Wyoming just because one guy from there was an ass to me.

>>54448196
Again, that's all on Dan. There's no angle to this that makes it okay to attack Wyoming.

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Would you ever run Bob in any of your commander decks? I was thinking of throwing him into my Alesha deck mostly just to see how much I would regret it.

>>54448079
Hunting Pack can be pretty spicy as the first spell you cast on their turn. Let them durdle around, activate it, get 3 or 4 4/4s and cast something of up to 6 mana.

Counterlash is also pretty great in Rashmi.

>>54448230
No.

>>54448143
I feel like you're being intentionally dense. Ever heard of "eye for an eye"? It isn't always logically correct but it is what a lot of people feel, and it definitely makes sense for a White character.

>>54448230
yes
but only in very fast competitive metas otherwise its better to use a phyrexian arena

>>54448211
>>54448216
Aight, so you're seeing this with Dan as just some random guy, but Dan is an immensely powerful god wizard who can actually make things happen and who'd agreed to help you in Arizona. He blew you off, locked you up, and let Arizona go to shit explicitly to protect Wyoming. Turning it back on Wyoming is the revenge that makes sense, as it sets up his original actions towards you as the eventual catalyst for the opposite of his intentions. He locked you up because he thought it would protect Wyoming, but because he locked you up you ruined Wyoming.

>>54448265
Nahiri isn't white anymore, she's Boros. This wasn't justice, it was rage.

>>54448265
I feel like maybe you're the one being dense. Making sense from a narrative perspective has nothing to do with whether or not it's justified.

>>54448306
That makes you a cunt though.

>>54448312
Boros is red AND white. The red meant that she lost her cool and didn't care about the consequences of her actions. Taking vengeance, however, particularly in perceived equal measure, is white through and through

>>54448190
No, it's his response to "Don't dismiss this... All you had to do was come when I needed you," and it flows as one statement. It's not two disjointed things, that he saved her and that he has other things to do, it's "I don't owe you anything, remember how I saved you."
>>54448334
>>54448324
You're taking the position of "revenge is always wrong," but then saying "and this revenge is ESPECIALLY wrong." No shit, she's doing a bad thing, she's the villain. But the revenge fits the original transgression committed against her. If you take revenge, that's how you take revenge.

>>54448306
>and let Arizona go to shit explicitly to protect Wyoming
But that's not really why. Dan locked you up because he didn't want to listen to your complaints, you attack him, his creation shows up to help, and in interest of not getting his creation fucked up, he through you in prison. While that indirectly was done to help Wyoming because Dan's creation was meant as a bodyguard for Wyoming, he didn't do it solely for that reason.

In my mind, my beef would be with Dan and no one else. Not Wyoming, not the people of Wyoming, and not even really his creation either. Just Dan. Dan would be the guy who fucked everything up in this case. Anything beyond that is being spiteful.

>>54448230
I run him in Karlov. The average cmc is about 2.5 so the lifeloss is never bad, and Bob can swing a sword.

>>54448324
I wasn't aware you were drawing a distinction between the two, especially considering that I was very clear on my position that "it was a dumb thing to do but it made sense in universe" and you didn't comment on that.

>>54448393
It's not that revenge is always wrong, it's that revenge in excess against people who weren't related to the original transgression is wrong.

Of course she's the villain, and like I said, she doesn't have a leg to stand on for going to such lengths to get revenge. She got revenge when she locked Sorin in stone and had his insides ground to bits so that he can't escape. It could've ended there. Being the villain doesn't excuse what she did as being overkill, especially when Zendikar wasn't actually as worse off as she thought.

>>54448411
No, it actually is why.
>You made a promise. Come with me."

>"Not now," said Sorin, with infuriating calm. "Later, perhaps. This is a critical time—"
He's too busy protecting Innistrad to come help on Zendikar. I feel like you're not willing to see this from Nahiri's point of view, that she is responsible for something, and Sorin is responsible for something, and Sorin expects you to protect his work while giving nothing in return.

>>54448361
Also also i feel like it was implied somewhere, maybe in the Innistrad art book, that while she wasn't strictly insane during the SOI story arc that she had kind of gone nutso by the end of it. Something like a crazy smile as it was implied she went off to find Ugin.

>>54448471
I wasn't aware I had to draw a distinction. They're inherently distinct concepts.

>>54448411
>Anything beyond that is being spiteful.
uh, yeah, Nahiri was being super fucking spiteful.

Also I really don't follow. Lots of people were killed and hurt on Zendikar because of Sorin's negligence, however accidental. It's not like it was just the altercation they had before she gets tossed into Helvault.

>>54448508
He expected nothing from Nahiri and just wanted her to go away. He was busy at the time and had his own thing to deal with. He wouldn't have thrown her in the Helvault if she hadn't tried to attack him. The Eldrazi weren't even a major issue at the moment, but she got angry because he wasn't honoring his promise immediately. Instead of being calm and collected, she took it as him disrespecting her and attacked him. She attacked someone that was more than likely much stronger than her.

Sorin was an ass for what he did, but it wouldn't have escalated had Nahiri not gone overboard and taken it so personally. Sorin deserves to get his ass kicked, but the plane of Innistrad, full of unrelated people, did not.

>>54448230
Just pay the extra B for Arena. Much safer.

>>54448581
I know, hence why I made the distinction here
>>54448112
>Eh, no, it makes sense to me in a way that makes sense in a fantasy world anyway.
I made it clear from what position I was arguing. You continued to pretend like you'd never heard of the idea of retaliation afterwards.

>>54448584
>uh, yeah, Nahiri was being super fucking spiteful.
Exactly. Acting out of spite does not give you some kind of moral high ground to say they were equally responsible in the downfall of Innistrad. Sorin couldn't come help when Nahiri originally called because her transmission was blocked by the Helvault. This was an unintended side effect. Sorin couldn't help that and any deaths that occurred because he wasn't aware his phone was ringing is not strictly his fault.

Nahiri acted in character, but that does not mean she was right in what she did.

>>54448639
The problem is that you said "it" makes sense, not specifying you were meaning "it" as a narrative conceit rather than "it" as a moral viewpoint. You did not make it clear from what position you were arguing.

Is this the real thread?

But more on topic, what is your least favorite type of deck to pilot? Your most favorite?

>>54446488
>>54446488

Aetherborn confirmed

>>54448676
Playing as and against Voltron will always be the most mind numbingly boring experience Magic has to offer

>>54448672
I said "in universe" i.e. within the narrative. So yes, I was very clear.

>>54446770

maybe:

Dragons = WUBRG
Cats = WG
Vampires = BR
Rogue/Wizards = U


Either that or a color will have a higher representation. That last Commander looks like it could be any combination of WUB, probably with an emphasis on blue.

>>54448601
Sorin should have been more responsive to her request.


Sorin/Ugin promised they would show up to Zendikar, as part of turning Zendikar into a prison for extra dimensional plane eating monsters with Nahiri as the warden.


Naihir being stuck on Zendikar making sure the multiverse is safe, deserves a better response then "Fuck you, I've got mine"

>>54448720
Again, no you weren't.
Take the fact at least two people argued against you as though you were speaking from a moral viewpoint as evidence that your wording was not "very clear".

>>54448736
I honestly think they will go like
WUBRG
BWR
WG
B

>>54448753
Ugin was dead and Sorin couldn't answer because he didn't even know there was a connection issue until Nahiri showed up and asked why he wasn't returning his calls. There really wasn't any way he could be more responsive until after the fact.

>>54448736
no way it will not be 1c 2c 3c 5c

>>54448720
>"in universe" i.e. within the narrative

Saying "in universe" usually means from the perspective of someone in the universe, not from the perspective of the authors of the universe.

>>54448772
I can't help at least two people aren't good enough at reading comprehension to understand that by "her actions made sense in universe" were the position of "her actions made sense from a narrative perspective", so I take that evidence with a grain of salt.

>>54448802
Where the fuck is the universe but within the fucking narrative?

>>54448702
t. guy that plays infinite combo decks

>>54448778

But then there would be no blue cards on the whole set? That's crazy.

>>54448798

The vampire could be Mardu, but then White would be on 3 of the decks, which I think might be too much, especially considering it's one of the weakest/less useful colors in Commander.

>>54448822
You didn't even actually say "in universe", you said it "makes sense in a fantasy world". It's not a trouble of reading comprehension, your wording wasn't clear enough.

>>54448870
>But then there would be no blue cards on the whole set? That's crazy.
woops meant U not B
mono U rogues or wizards

>>54448837
"Within the fucking narrative" is exactly what I said. When people say "in universe" it means from the perspective of a character acting within the narrative. It means acting as though you're a character that doesn't know they're just a character in a story.

It's basically the opposite of a "meta" viewpoint.

>>54448870
>The vampire could be Mardu
could be grixis :3

>>54448914
>that color scheme
>grixis

>>54448913
>>54448837
>>54448802
>>54448720
>>etc.
holy shit this thread is cancer no wonder there are two

>>54448864
Voltron tends to be really boring to play against or with because it's literally the same game every time. To me, the appeal of EDH is that every game can be different since we're running 100 different cards (minus lands and the occasional Relentless Rats or ShadowbornApostle.dek), but voltron is all about going tall with one creature with a couple backup contingencies. If you see Uril or Rafiq, you'll know exactly what is going to happen 9 times out of 10.

>>54448872
What difference does "in a fantasy world" versus "in this universe" make in context that suddenly makes my intention unclear? Do you think it was possible I was ACTUALLY referring to the fantasy world of real fucking life?

>>54448927
>wizards
>internally consistent
they cant even keep standard consistent between rotations lets not give them the benefit of the doubt quite yet

>>54448870
Don't forget that there aren't exactly many good or even passable white dragons, so the dragon deck likely won't be using white extensively.

>>54448959
Saying "in a fantasy world" doesn't give any sort of indication you were speaking from a point of narrative conceit, is the point. It's an even looser argument than if you had said "in universe".

>>54448962
>between rotations
Remember that time they accidentally printed an infinite damage combo of 2 cards from the same set

>>54448959
>>54449046
Could you both just take a moment to step back, look at the discussion you're having, and fuck off entirely?

>>54448959
God you're a twat.

How many mana rock and the like should I run in an Azorius deck?

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>>54448736
I might be misremembering, but wasn't there a random WUB card in Legends or something that was simultaneously Human, Wizard and Cleric tribal? Could it be a remake of that?

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>>54449387
Yee

>>54449303
At the least:
Azorius Signet
Commander's Sphere
Mind Stone
Talisman of Progress
Thought Vessel

Consider also:
Eye of Ramos
Hedron Archive
Thran Dynamo
Tooth of Ramos
Unstable Obelisk
Worn Powerstone

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>>54449476
Wizard/Cleric combo would be cool but I'm not getting my hopes up.

>>54449498
I'm saying rogues. The new commander is probably >>54447788 the character except recruited by the Dimir.

>>54446770
And I just built mono black vampires god damnit.

>>54449545
That doesn't really look like them to me. Also the background seems to be a natural setting and there's no apparent guild symbol.

I really hope it's mardu vampires
Either way ill be buying the vampire and dragon decks

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>>54449545

compare pic related with
>>54446538

She even has a canon name, Senka.

>>54449592
Considering they're just about to print white Vampires as a whole thing in Ixalan, it better fucking be.

>>54449484
Well, what can I say, thank you very much
But, sorry for the noob question, having both the required and the "optional" wouldn't be a bit too much? Don't I run the risk of drawing mana rocks and lands and too few cards on which to use that same mana?

>>54446770
Id say the fourth tribe is either rogues or assassins.

Also, Vampire lord looks like its made by Volkan Baga. Someone try asking him how many colors the card is.

>>54449636
You can shave a few lands off the more rocks you have. Don't go too low, but the usual idea is you can afford to drop 1 land for every 2 rocks you use,

>>54449626
They look nothing alike. Their armor has an entirely different design, one of them doesn't have the face markings one has big distinct earrings and the other doesn't. Aside from both being women with blue cloaks I don't see how they are related in any way

>>54448837

You're being dense on purpose. Stop that.

>>54449735
It's almost like people change over time. If you saw the two different arts for Tesya without the name, would you know they're the same person?

>>54449846
Yes.

>>54449846
Both Teysa's share the Orzhov symbol boob window, and her facial features and hair style remained consistent

Besides female and blue cloak what is one thing the other two characters have in common. I'm not saying it ISN'T her, there just isn't any reason to think it IS her.

>>54449887
You mean despite having different clothing, a different hair style, and looking completely different due to age, you can tell they're the same person but you somehow can't comprehend this character being the same as the one on Stealer of Secrets? I find that hard to believe. I get that it being the same person is a long shot, but your reasoning for it not being them is shaky at best.

They would need to print very good red and white vampires for me to go mardu instead of mono black. As of right now theres zero reason to go outside of black for vampires other than og olivia.

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>>54449924
She's got the boob window, same facial features, and, very importantly, the cane.

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Alternatively she is some kind of UB Human Rogue Cleric with rogue synergy, a favored priestess of Phenax perhaps. Even so, it's probably rogues.

>>54448914
Grixis vampires a shit and we're getting mono-white vampires in Ixalan.
If the Vampire deck isn't WBR I'll shit at WotC's doorstep every morning for a year.

>>54449968
Eh, no existing vampire commander has very good tribal synergies. If this does something good you should play it just for that, and more colors generally doesnt hurt though it means less reliable or no Nocturnus but combat isnt a real thing anyway.

>>54449924
any time you're ready to point out all the details we missed that give a hint about why the art is of that particular character I'm all ears

>>54450051
Also I just remembered Edga4 shouos have Eminence which isbalresdy a pretty god damn powerful ability. Even the cat is decent in a meta where normal, fair combat damage is relevant, and thats like the worst tribal bonus you could get in commander, a fucking giant growth. So Edgar can almost certainly have better unless god forbid he just gives things the slith ability or something.

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Training the new generation of EDH players

So, what do you think the aetherborn general will have for abilities?

Scorpion God is pretty fun to play.

The amount of card draw you actually get with him is crazy.

>>54447373
I use her in kaalia in which i fill with reanimation.
Bruna pulls work pulling other beffy angels or even kaalia from the can and black tutors mean i have a chance to get out glisela at the same time.
Ive only ever merged them once but ive come close enough times. Just getting prople to use their answers is good.
But you have to put them in a deck with good tutoring and reanimation if you actually want to have a chance.
And have good targets for bruna for it to be worth it.

>>54450408
we already got yahenni and gonti

>>54450541
yeah, but i mean the ones we're getting for c17

>>54450558
i bet my nonexistant black lotus that's not gonna happen

>>54449918
>>54449984
Also the lip stud, don't forget the lip stud.

>>54450051
In fact, Olivia Voldaren has sort of non-synergies. If you have a Coat of Arms on the field, for example, you can't ping anything or else it'll buff itself off all of your vampire.

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>>54450872

Guess you'll owe me one nonexistant black lotus
Look at the art from this:
>>54446538

And tell me that that isn't an evolved aetherborn "Yahenni the perfect being"

>>54451020
That isn't an evolved aetherborn "Yahenni the perfect being"

>>54451020
why would aetherborn "evolve" into humans?

>>54451072
the hands in the image is consciously hidden, also look at the 4 ears

>the Aetherborn will never show up again

speaking of aetherborn. anyone tried Gonti? Looks like fun

>>54451234
Kinda a shame, they had a neat concept. Bit too plane specific, and over the 16 cards (only 15 that can go with either commander option) there's only one (and not one of the commanders) that cares about them being aetherborn. The rest have a vague theme of sacing stuff, but there's plenty that are just vanilla junk.

>>54451234
Not in a story set, given that they're the accidental byproduct of energy production on one specific plane.
>>54451186
They're earrings.

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everyone out of my way; perfect deck coming through

>>54451562
>Samut

>>54451562
you got me for a second there. had my scrutiny hat on and everything.

good one pal

>>54447734

Lili's emblem happens at the beginning of the next end step, so Undying will always work first. after it comes back from undying once, it'll stay in the graveyard until the end step, where lili's emblem will bring it back without a +1/+1 counter.

>>54451600
She fits the deck better than Mayael, my only real other choice

>>54451621
no tricks, just a consistent theme

>>54451638
no jokes?

where is your sol ring?

>>54451634
Hey hey, I should RTFC

>>54451020
Why does Yahenni look so feminine in this?

Just look at that cloak swinging and that leg positioning. Must have one hell of a hip swing it its walk.

>>54451675
Are you implying Yahenni isnt a a tough pussboi?

>>54451656
it's a ten ticket deck for modo, sol ring's a dollar, my friends and I have cut out sol ring for deck building considerations.

no jokes tho

>>54451675
i dont see why aetherborns can't look masculine or feminine. you don't need a gender to do those things.

>>54451713
>perfect deck
>price restrictions

jokes and trickery
TRICKERY AND JOKES

>>54451675
You are now realizing that things literally cant be genderless from a normal human perspective. They shoved the genderless thing down our throats hard but at the end of the day nearly every fucking person I play with refers to Yahenni as a she and Gonti as a he, because thats the way they look on the cards. Yahenni has a feminine appearance and talks like one too, Gonti feels very masculine and intimidating in his artworks on the other hand. Theres only ever been one turbo autist who bothered to correct the people at the table when they "misgendered" his cardboard character.

>>54451808
I mean, considering a bunch of languages assign genders to stuff like chairs, it's kind of an inevitability.

Karn is technically genderless, but fuck if I've ever heard anyone say anything other than "he".

>>54451758
If you want to think of it as a base that's fine, as it stands, it's the perfect deck, this is a fact

>>54446538
Let's bet it is Eldrazi.

>>54451875
>>54451808
Well not much use in talking about a tribe that will never be supported again.

Wizards pls gib more Cinders

>>54451675

Yahenni acted so feminine and fabulous that I refer to her as "she", despite being a member of an agendered species.

See, I just did it now without even meaning to.

>>54446448
Real thread:
>>54446479

Real thread:
>>54446479

Real thread:
>>54446479

>>54452242
>thread wars
This one was made first fuck wad.

>>54452281

Not to mention has almost a hundred more posts

>two EDH threads
WHICH ONE IS WHICH?

>>54451020
That's obviously the only white chick in Theros.
>INB4 it's an Artemisia of Caria expy and Thero II is the Persian invasion.

>>54449484
A Sol Ring is nice too

>>54451401
Couldn't a plane have different Aetherborn that come from something else?

>>54452498
>tfw there will never bee a set that takes place on the artificial plane that Kaladesh created to house all of their industrial waste and reject experiments ruled by the Aetherborn

>>54450386
adorable how has nobody commented on this

>>54449984
>chin and eyebrow piercings
Absolutely repulsive.

>>54452416
i post in both

>>54452498
It'd be neat if it turned out aetherborn, changelings and slivers come from the same primordial energies as angels and demons as the primordial representation of their color.
>Angels are born to care
>Changelings are born to know
>Demons are born to crave
>Aetherborn are born to feel
>Slivers are born to evolve

>>54452498
Eberron has Aetherborn, too, IIRC. And according to Plane Shift: Amonkhet, it's fully possible that people travel between D&D and MTG planes.

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apparently there's aetherborn on this plane as well

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What's the general consensus on MLD?

>>54453628
do people not lurk these threads? this topic has been covered to death

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>>54446805
>No birds to show us how big those vampires are either

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>>54453628
Mass land.. what?

>>54453699
I haven't seen it covered recently, I'd just like to know what people think.

>>54454034
Now that the dust has settled, we've all agreed that MLD is good for the format.

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>>54454127
>now that the dust has settled

Holy fuck my LGS has finally decided to allow proxies in legacy so that more than 3 people show up to legacy night. Good by plebs, no reason to play this format anymore.

Still love you guys <3

>>54449696
>>54448736
I think that 4 could possibly be monks/humans, because it seems like each commander deck will have a optional commander that can be used for another tribe (Dragon Monk dude, Cat Dragon).

UG or BG for snake tribal?

>>54454374
UG

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>>54454374
Should be obvious

>>54454374
BG and run Hapatra for maximum snake.

>>54454273
>legacy singleton anon gone
and nothing of value was lost

New to Magic question: If i copy one of the Commander with eminence, then sacrifice the original and keep the copy and send the sacrificed one back to the command zone, does eminence proc two times (being the commander both on the battlefield and in the command zone)?

>>54452242
How sad.

>>54454473
Yes.

>>54454561
>acknowledging a thread with a blatant self-promotion in OP
now that's sad. Unless you are a discord shill yourself

>>54454473
It should "proc" twice, yeah

>>54447984
Emrakul is GOING to fuck up "some place"

does it matter if its Innistrad or somewhere else?

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>BR vampires
>BR

>>54454589
>>54454597
Oh, nice.
Guess it isn't much discount dragons by 2, but giving 2 cats +3\+3 or one +6\+6 ( do you get to chose?) seems decent.
Maybe the other 2 Commander get something more exploitable.

>>54454701
+6/+6 and trample on a kitty seems good, but good luck having a reasonable # of ways to set that up in GW.

>>54454410
>being so triggered you give your boogyman a name

Hi /pol/.

>>54454731
>http://magiccards.info/
I'm looking for some general ones, I'll report back if i find something

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After playing four other Boros commanders, Avacyn is the only one that actually feels fun and interactive. Anybody have good hidden gems or combos with her?

>>54454805
Not exactly hidden, but Eldrazi Displacer

hello newfriends

i am new magic player (never even played a real game yet)

i wonder why /tg/ has only seems to have cuckmander

as new player who may go to FNMs, and wants to play semi competitively, I was assuming standard is the best place to start. am I wrong? Why no standard general on /tg/?

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>>54454775
Oh, that's easy.

>>54454913
there is usually a standard general. commander is just very popular and it's players are very dedicated.

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>>54454913

Mushi mushi baito desu

>>54454034
IT'S LITERALLY (FACTUALLY) COVERED EVERY THREAD

>>54454775
So, what I got:
-God's Paraoh's Gift
-Mimic Vat ( can I send Arahbo back after copying him?)
-Minion Reflector
-Seance
-Soul Foundry ( need to bounce Arahbo to my hand)
-Mirrorpool
-Soul Separator

Mirrorpool seems the best, since it's easier to set up and creates a token that sticks to the board.

>>54454936
Wouldn't the token leave play as soon as I sacrifice the Commander?

>>54454954

>there is usually a standard general

okay fair enough

>>54454960

nah i'm not baiting. I was talking like a retard (as I am new) but overall my question was genuine.

>>54455092
>>Wouldn't the token leave play as soon as I sacrifice the Commander?

Populate it.

>>54455112
But >>54454936 says remove all tokens with the same name, am I missing something?

>>54455092
Do Illusionist's bracer work too?
Can I actvate eminence three times (token, command zone, equiped creature)?

>>54455143
Bracers only copy activated abilities.

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>>54455283
>>54455416

>>54455283
Cause if this works it should apply to Rings of Brightearth and Strionic Resonator, which will give use 5 procs (Token, Command zone, Bracer, Ring, Resonator).
Assuming we are using Arahbo, that means +15/+15 and trample.
A +15/+15 and trample thatìs hard as as fuck to set up, but nevertheless.

>>54455095
>I was being a retard
Look for the moden thread you will fit right in

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>new to the game
>try to play on xmage a couple days ago
>set my shit to beginner
>people come in with infinite combos wanting to feel bad ass because they can't beat regular players

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>>54455547
Its like people can act like cunts on the internet with no repercussions knowing they would get their dicks punched in if they tried it at a store

>>54455416
>>54455460
>>54455470
Ok, to summarize:
-I can copy Eminence only three times (Token,Command Zone, Resonator) to get +9/+9 to a cat.
-I can use Bracer and Ring to copy Arahbo active ability ( 1GW: Give +X/+X where X is target power and trample).

Did I get this right?
I mean, I can see why this shit won't work, doesn't mean I'm not tempted to try it.
Got to see the other 2 precons, maybe they'll offer something better (either better Eminence or easier colors to work with, i.e. Blue).
Sorry if I infested the thread, I'm back to lurking.

>>54447945
No... That was Emrakul

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>play against goblin tribal
>it's fucking Yu-Gi-Oh tier shit with all the library searching and spamming the field
Seriously are these just the Yu-Gi-Oh rejects?

>>54455758
That seems right to me. Also it's not infesting to ask questions on topic, especially if you're not rude or snarky about it.

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>>54455547
Why else would you play?

What's a card that you won't run on principle?

>>54456192
Laboratory Maniac

>>54456192
any inf combo
sol ring

>>54456192
Blue mana producing lands

My playgroup started playing a variation we call Quickmander

If you havent played a card by turn 3 take 20 damage

If you havent attacked someone by turn 5 take 20 damage

If you havent attacked someone for 3 turns and you have creatures out take 20 damage

If you win by infinite combo you start the game at 20 life

No durdling chucklefucks allowed

>>54456250
>>54456206
What are your decks and does steering clear of these cards stymie the decks' potential?

>>54456329
>If you havent attacked someone by turn 5 take 20 damage
>draw no creatures or decide to try Doran out and get him countered so you can't go on offense with your silly wall beats deck
>take 20 to the dome from nowhere
Why don't you all just play a faster format, you butthurt little autists? Angry that people don't always play Creatures: the Sidewaysing?

>>54456329
what absolute retards you play with

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>>54456497
>>54456500
STOP DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY SHELDOR CREATED THIS FORMAT FOR A REASON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54456192
counterspells

>>54456567
It's not that you're doing things differently, it's that your custom rules are retarded as fuck.

>>54456567
>>54456329
Someone post the burning sands copy pasta, I haven't saved it yet.

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>>54456742
I don't like to overuse pasta but it's my favorite one from this general so here you go:

>we roll dice to see who goes first
>I go last
>first player goes "scorching desert, target anon, pass"
>I'm absolutely stunned
>I go down to 39 life before it's even my turn
>he doesn't even apologize
I haven't even had one turn, so it was impossible for me to interact with the trigger. If he let me just play one island I could have stifled the trigger and still been at 40 life. Instead he targets me out of pure spite. We all talked about it and it was pretty clear that he only wanted me to be at 39 life so that I wouldn't win. He was going all on about how he is perfectly allowed to scorch me, but he didn't even think for a second about how I felt about it. It would have been infinitely preferable if he gave me just one turn to get up stifle mana or find a way to gain some life. Instead he tries to act like just because the game lets him do something that its ok and my feelings don't matter. We all agreed that targeting me was unnecessarily spiteful considering he had another land in hand he could play, or he could have mulliganed to a hand that had less hateful cards. We all agreed to just play as if I was at 40.

What I don't get is how people like him think its a good idea to play like that with regular playgroups. You know that by hitting me with scorching desert, it's just going to make me bring out my five color stonerain.dek and completely remove his ability to play next game. Since then we have houseruled that you're not allowed to hurt others players if they don't have a way to interact with it. Our players that have some social awareness and aren't completely autistic have all agreed with this rule and it has done a great job of weeding out the players that have offensive personality traits, such as having skin any thicker than plastic food wrap.

>>54456389
A variety of pretty strong but not top tier decks. I don't think that it's fun to win through Laboratory Maniac. I don't like Felidar Sovereign either and these ways of winning usually feel cheap. I'd rather play an infinite combo.

>>54457076
What's the difference between infinites and those alt wincons?

>>54451808
How the hell does Yahenni sound feminine? It sounds flamboyantly gay if anything.

Got a question, can suspended cards be played when solemnity is out? What effect do they have? Are they cast instantly because they have no counters during your next upkeep or are they just in the exile zone forever because you cant remove he last counter?

>>54457483
Solemnity doesn't effect suspended cards. Even if it effected spells, suspend exiles the card and a suspended card isn't a spell yet.

>>54457545
Thanks for clearing it up, I figured as much

>>54457390
With an asexual race, who can tell?

>>54456015
>searching
Magic does that to, and with better cards
>field spamming
Yugioh allows five monsters on the board at a time
What shit are you smoking?

>>54446538
NIGGERS ITS ASSASSINS

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So is there a reason Magus of the wheel is like 10-20$ bucks now? I just picked one up for 3$ randomly on tcgplayer today..

>>54457849
People want their restart buttons and a real wheel costs like 40 dollars for medium condition.

>>54457868
True. I'm just surprised it took this long I guess. I might even sell one and keep the other if I can get a good deal out of it.

>>54457849
>>54457868
>>54457892
I think its just another buyout, probably because of the wizard reveal, or maybe it's just someone trying to do something like with grasp of Fate. 5 mana for a wheel with summoning sickness is pretty bad, even in red. There are a bunch of other better wheels. Expect it to fall in about 3 weeks, but some price memory to remain and keep it at about $8.

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>>54453952
>No dragons to put those birds into perspective

>>54457849

because speculators which are slowly killing magic

>>54457807
>A tribe with worse support than Cats
>A tribe nobody asked for

Fuck off.

>>54446538
I see Clerics personally, but knowing that W already has a precon color, it'll be wizards so U can get something.

>>54458607
Mono U Homarid tribal

Return to fallen empires when

>>54457750
You're telling me you've never fucking played against zoodiac about 4 months ago? If you have you know the exact shit I'm talking about. I know magic has library searching, but to the extent this goblin deck was doing it I felt like I was playing Yu-Gi-Oh.

>>54458916
To be completely fair I stopped playing after nelrpz were neutered, I hate penselums and the direction of the game

>>54453628
if you can't win with it fuck you

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Can it be a good commander?

>>54459664
>costs 9
>no indestructible
Good fucking luck doing all that ramp just to have it die to a boardwipe and now you need 2 more mana to bring it back.

>>54459664
I wonder if you could play dragonstorm with it

>>54452944
that's really fucking cool which is why wizards would never fucking do it.

also that would mean aetherborn in red.

>>54452944
>changelings are born to know
More like elementals. Changelings are literally mindless and passive creatures that just mimic whatever is near them.

>>54459676
Gee, it sure is a good thing thing that it never has to be cast or be vulnerable to get value out of it then, or it would be shit.

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>>54459664
His main use will probably be for hermit druid and combo shenanigans like his son.

>>54457316
Alternative wincons don't feel like really winning.

>>54451020
Isnt yahenni a guy in the story?

>>54459292
You can't always win off of just one card.

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>>54462214
No, the Aetherborn are explicitly genderless.
Yahenni is presented as feminine, Gonti is the one presented as masculine.

>>54463903
>>54463903
>>54463903
>>54463903

New Thread, seems both of these are ending at similar times.