EDH/Commander General /edhg/

Previously, Chaos.

>>54446448
>>54446479

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can a curse edh deck work? which commander?

also, GONTI! one of my favourites from kaladesh

>How would you have done the tribal layout of C17
-Drakes
-Mercenaries/rebels
-Thallids
-Hellions

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Hey guys, same fella that's trying to start MtG with his friends.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kawaii-vampire/

Any good? (Minus the vampire succ recommended in the last thread)

>>54463903
Are there any good Commander Podcasts that /edh/ recommends? Better yet, is there one that you'll argue about?

>>54464087
haven't really looked at your deck but for starters cut the expensive cards if you're new. Try and get a basic deck - upgrade it if it's fun. dont spend 30bucks on a tutor right away

anyway, what's your deck trying to achieve so i know what to look for?

>>54463903
>How would you have done the tribal layout of C17, /edhg/?


Dragons, spirits, elementals, werewolves/vampires. Cats are fucking stupid and only there to attract women and fags. Can't speak for the last one yet but it looks like clerics so meh. Honestly take cats out and put in a real tribe and c17 would be bretty good imo.

>>54464166
I like the uh, Rise of the Dark Realm + Life's Finale combo, as well as milling opponents out and casting a bunch of spells.

>>54464092
The Command Zone is pretty good (watch on youtube is the best way), I listen to them weekly and find them very helpful. Commanderin is also good but done very lazily if you watch on youtube.

The commanders Brew is also decent but it focuses on budget stuff (>$75) so is really meh a lot of the time if you are not poor.

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>>54464017
As an enchantress deck maybe. I'm thinking of throwing this into Atraxa.

>>54463903
5c Slivers, WBG Thallids, UW Merfolk, RUG Elementals. Cats are garbage, vamps are for edgelords, and dragons Ludevic'd THREE cool lore characters. At least Edgar Markov and the cat avatar have good art, I guess.

>>54464166
Also I'm using MagicCardMarket, so I'm getting 99% of the cards for $0.02 or something.

>>54464334
i was gonna get cheap cards as well until i realized getting 100 cards enither i nor my opponents can read was a bad idea, so i'm getting all english, which is more expensive

>>54464286
i have a daxos 2015 lying around, maybe i'll retool him for a curse deck.
most curses seem to be black which fits the flavour of the colour

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Is more hard to take out an enchantment than a creature, right?

>>54464389
Additional combat phase ain't shit unless you can generate enough mana to keep chaining it.

>>54464429
Neheb the eternal boi

>>54464372
White also has two of the strongest curses to slow your opponent as well.

Blue curses are mostly mill which is okay I guess

Red is actually good though since it has a curse of bloodletting and stalked prey which is are nice.

>>54464017
Curses are primarily Red/Black, so it's B/R/x. It's you choice to do either blue or white for your second color, but I personally feel White has the better curses since the blue ones are just milling stuff, an untap one, and one that clones spells they cast. Queen Marchesa might work best.

>>54464488
>>54464489
i'll have a look at red curses again. Queen Marchesa sounds like a solid choice, monarch adds a lot to the table

Blaxos player here. I don't have an alternate win condition for my list in case my commander is permanently exiled (someone takes my turn and exiles him etc) or taxed too hard. I can't think of anything.

>>54464028
>WB Cleric / Angel
>GB Elves / Treefolk
>UR Wizard / Goblin
>UG Mutant / Beast
>RW Dwarf / Artificer

I know last year was enemy pairs, but fuck balance

>>54464569
Death Cloud for 12 and ruin everyone's day.

>>54464028
BUG Ooze tribal

>>54464017
I was thinking about this as well but wouldn't a curse deck just have to focus a single player? Could be dangerous

>thread question
I am very happy with dragons/vampires but i would have liked b/r goblins or demons

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>>54464569
Play some Enchantments.

>>54464673
i'm thinking that depending on what curse(s) you have in hand, you talk with the other players and collectively curse the most important target at the time.
then rinse and repeat for each new curse.

however i imagine there is a chance that the already cursed players will be against you, even if you put an important curse on someone else.

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>>54464166
>>54464087
Removed Time Warp, and both Tutors. Replaced with Diabolic Tutor.

I'm wondering what lands I should stick in or if I should just use basic ones until I know how to play more?

>>54464722
I like opalescence but my issue is it conflicts with daxos, it kills all of his tokens immediately. That and more than half my deck is below 4 cmc

>>54464673
Just focus on the biggest tryhard infinite combo fag at the table. Every grouo has one.

>>54464722
Everyone recommends Opalescence in Daxos but his tokens die.

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>>54464017
>>54464017
>cheating out this and Overwhelming Splendor as fast as fucking possible

I want to make a Curse deck now

The tribes are okay. I think if anything cats should be replaced with angels. I think the last one is clerics which is close enough.

Any of you guys in the Sacramento area? I'm here for family business but am looking to check out a larger areas magic store. Recs would be nice.

>>54464783
>>54464861
I play it in Daxos as an enabler in case the actual Daxos strategy falters. It has a lot of interactions like >>54464722 or with Parallax Wave that make up for it killing your own tokens. Basically, just think of it like a board wipe, only play it when the advantage you gain from playing it is greater than what you'll lose.

>>54464539
If Marchesa doesn't work out there's always Zur. He can't cheat out all curses but he can slap the opponent with a few.

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I have seen Gonti thrown around here but never in a deck, what's his deal? Does he combo with something or is he just fun?

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Got this fucker from an HOU pack, wat do?

>>54464987
Tell your playgroup you are running him as your commander.

>>54464936
You could do a b/w blink deck. Jon Suarez from CommVS used him in his Zur deck and bounced him with astral slide and cycling

>>54464987
It's like $50.
If you're going to play it, play it.
If you have $50 worth of other shit you'd rather play, sell it.

>>54465092
Can't see shit, captain

>>54464759
lands that come into play tapped with no way around it are usually cheap, they come in both two and three colours. i'd recommend getting a few instead of just running basics.
evolving wilds and terramorphic expanse are cheap as well, and good for literally any deck

>>54465092
I think the bottom deck will be Esper Wizards personally, with a Sen Triplets reprint.

Would a Revolt ability activate if the creature flicked, thus that creature was itself the one that left the field?

>>54465092
Is the bottom the UB clerics? deck and the top the dragons?

>>54464911
I'm in davis but I've been to sac, big brother, great escape in sac seemto be good ones. Davis wise, we have bizzaro world and Davis comic and cards

>>54465110
I ended up choosing:

1x Command Tower
1x Crumbling Necropolis
1x Desolate Lighthouse
1x Dragonskull Summit
1x Drowned Catacomb
1x Flamekin Village
1x Homeward Path
9x Island
4x Mountain
5x Swamp
1x Temple of Deceit
1x Temple of Epiphany
1x Temple of Malice
1x Temple of the False God
1x Terramorphic Expanse

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>>54465134
Top seems to be Vampires, cats not in sight

>>54465120
Yes, because Revolt doesn't care what creature left the battlefield, just as long as one did in the turn.

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>>54465078
>>54465092
I don't know what I'm suppose to be looking at.

>>54465092
Mardu Vamps?

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Great Tribal lord, or greatest Tribal lord?

Built a budget deck with him for under 20$, though most of that is due to having almost all the Lorwyn and Ravnica sets already.
One problem, though, is that I find I'm lacking in early-game. Since I have access to all colors, I figure I should easily be able to splash whatever is needed. So far, though, my only early game is Hedron Scrambler, Moonglove Changeling, Chainbreaker, Lurebound Scarecrow, Avian Changeling, Woodland Changeling, and the dual ramp dorks of Farhaven Elf and Borderland Ranger. I'm having a pretty hard time getting pressured down early, since people have figured out that free Vindicates with somewhat decent creatures is a bit frightening, so can I get some recommendations for cheap (both in mana, and in $, preferably) creatures to help compete in the early game, or perhaps some spells that I'm missing?

>>54465165
Commander 2017 stuff

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>>54465152
It has wings so I thought dragons. Also the vampire art spoiled yesterday doesn't look similar. We'll find out soon enough.

>>54465152
Isn't that the WURBG symbols underneath the card picture too?

>>54465078
When's it out?

>>54465231
>>54465252
the one in the picture is dragons
Top left seems like vampires
bottom left is unknown

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>he doesn't know

>>54465092
The top one has what looks like the white symbol in the middle, and not more on the left or right like if it was a 2-colored deck, so it's probably 3-colored

>>54465260
No idea, been stalking the #MTGC17 on twitter

Source:
https://twitter.com/SilverSwag_TCG/status/888558741397753856

>>54465134
>UB clerics?
Clerics without white would be like Vampires without Black
Clerics with Blue would be like Vampires with Green.
If we get Clerics they won't be Dimir
If we get Dimir, it won't be Clerics.

>>54463903
>How would you have done the tribal layout of C17, /edhg/?
>ctrl+f ninja
>no results
Really? They are a pretty popular tribe that desperately needs more support (their best commander isn't even a ninja) and are pretty much unprintable in normal sets. They are also an all-around fun and unique tribe.

>Vamps are Mardu
>Selesnya Cats
>5c Dragons
>White is in 3/4 precons

>>54465292
I'd do it in a heartbeat if I thought there were enough useful old ninjas to make a deck with less than 15 new, unique cards. I'm not sure there are, though.

>>54465008
You know, one guy in my group had that suggestion too. If it's the kind of thing nobody is gonna really raise a fuss about, I might damn well do it

>>54465194
Can do some more rampy creatures, such as wood elves or a krosan tusker even. You should be running some ramp spells, like farseek(manafixing ramp) and K's reach.

You don't really want a strong early game to be creature centric. Someone is just going to ramp into board wipes. I'd focus more on ramping up or tutoring key pieces early game.

>>54465301
4th deck looks like U/B so black is also potentially in 3/4

>>54464241
"Only girls and fags like cats"
Wow dude your masculinity is paaaper thin. Cats are animals just like bears and snakes. You need to see a therapst and also kill yourself.

>>54465194
Dauntless Escort can keep your stuff alive for longer, and is pretty decent if you can recur it.

You could always run flicker effects to dodge removal, especially Eerie Interlude. Ghostway is similar also, but it's a bit pricey.

>>54465301
Assuming Dimir something, black is also in 3/4 of the precons. Really we've got

Dragons: .2 to everything
Cats: .5 to Green and White
Vamps: .3 to RWB
Last one we assume: .5 to Blue and Black

W: 1
U: .7
B: 1
R: .5
G: .7

So the weighting isn't terrible but red got a little hosed. If the third deck is Grixis (is it confirmed it's not? I can't make out shit in those images) the result would be instead

W: 1
U: .5
B: .7
R: .8
G: .7

So blue would be a little hosed.

>>54465092
The spacing of the pips under the art makes it look like there are three. Potentially Grixis Rogues.

How's this for starters? Curse deck with the Queen
https://deckstats.net/deck-13637280-ebf6dbc370457ac470e3184f0126b47d.html

>>54465078
More importantly: will they stop sucking and use actual removal during their episodes?

>>54465440
I can make out a bit of the pips on the top box, but on the bottom one they are completely indecipherable to me

>>54465466
oh and by the way, the green card isn't supposed to be there. Would be a good card to run, though!

>>54463957
I prefer to think of it as Partner Commander (threads)

>>54465478
>A Craw Wurm? That thing is huge! What are we supposed to do against this?
>We can't hold up long against 6 damage every single turn, I just hope someone finds a way stop it, and fast.

>>54465338
I already have a lot of ramp spells -- Farseek is one of them, along with Shard Convergence, Sylvan Scrying, Wanderer's Twig, 4 Obelisks of different kinds, and 38 lands already. That being said, Wood Elves might be a good idea. I could cut Chromatic Orb for it.
>>54465359
Dauntless Escort is a good idea. I'll have to see if I can find one for trade in my local groups.
As for flicker effects, is Conjurer's Closet too slow, do you think?

>>54465466
Bitterheart Witch.

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>finally get around to putting a locust god in my yidris wheels/GY abuse deck
>early on faithless looting locust god and dread return into the bin
>later around turn 9 or 10 animate dead locust with alhammaret's archive in play
>cast windfall, draw 12
>flashback faithless looting, draw 4 discard 2
>cast shattered perception, draw 28
>dread return mindwrack liege
>I have 44 3/3 flyers with haste
>lol turn that shit sidewayz
>the monogreen player had a fog and the boros player cast hour of revelation when he untapped

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>>54465569
nice

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MLD is love, MLD is life.

>>54465594
neat! thanks

>>54463903
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54465570
>Wow, De Tora's deck is insane! All enchantments and stuff!
>Whatever will we do to stop her?
>Wew, she gave us an opening by getting my shitty evacuation online!
>the crew continues to miss the obvious play that saves her board
>everyone else gets blown out

>>54465816
>the MLD player has a worse nonland board than you
>MLD's anyway
>ask him how he plans on winning
>"dont worry i have this in the bag for sure"
>doesn't

>>54466128
Maybe that was their only out, even if it had low odds of succeeding. It's ridiculous to expect people to win after casting MLD every time. Sometimes you just have to blow up all lands and hope you manage to answer what's left.

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>>54465816
I unironically run Obliterate in one of my decks. I have not had the opportunity to play it yet however.

>>54465816
>the wrath player has a worse noncreature board than you
>warths anyway
>ask him how he plans on winning
>"dont worry i have this in the bag for sure"
>doesn't
Why are these people allowed to live

>anon has apples and oranges
>compares them anyway
>ask him how he plans on making a rational argument
>"dont worry i have this in the bag for sure"
>doesnt

>>54465827
Derailing the thread is a bannable offense, anon.
Mind what you post, couldn't heart to see you go.

>>54464324
>dragons Ludevic'd THREE cool lore characters
Are you seriously complaining about arbitrary dragon avatar, Wasitora, and fucking Taigam? O-Kagachi, sure, complain there if you want, but otherwise I really don't follow.

>>54465092
bottom right is Aetherborn

>>54466281
They're two plays that can increase your odds of winning even if the immediate effect isn't ideal and puts you slightly behind. In both cases, it can be better than letting your opponents take advantage of what they already have in play.
>I'm probably dead to all this mana and the upcoming entwined tooth and nail, might as well MLD even if I end up losing anyway.
>I'm probably dead to this board of creatures and I'm still behind after a wrath, might as well wrath anyway and hope to draw to my outs.
They're the same thing.

>>54464987
>foil Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh
>$50
Literally why. Standard?

>>54466370
Standard legal foil mythic Planeswalker who's not total garbage.

>>54465440
I'm gonna laugh if it's Grixis rogues. I built basically just that a few months ago after thinking about it for half a year. Would be the second time something like this happens, the Ydris precon also felt tailor-made for me.

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>>54465816

>>54465478
Even if you run it, you don't always draw it. Dangers of a 100 card singleton format.

What are some spicy Yidris wincons that don't involve storming out?

I have a value machine that starts taking 10 minute turns as soon as Yidris hits, but then I have nothing to do except going to valuetown while another player combos out

>>54466516
Yidris is just MW with black, play big disruptive spells and time walks.

>>54466507
Something something tutors something card draw something.

Both things they also severely lack.

>>54466544
You'd be surprised how often you don't get any of those. Even with good card draw, you won't always get your answers, and tutors are only a couple cards in the 99. A lot falls to chance in Magic, even moreso in EDH. I run a lot of answers in my decks because most people in my grip group don't, but I can't tell you how many times I've simply just not gotten it. Unless you're in black, you don't have many tutors. Without black or blue, you lose a lot of card draw options. And even if you do get removal, there will often be other things that need answering.

>>54465570
>worry about shitty craw wurms and burn the whole game
>someone wins with infinite combo anyway

or

>the two hosts talk about how important it is to play spicy cards and avoid staples
>look up a random decklist by them
>it's just shitty inefficient jank coupled with a few tutors for craterhoof

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>>54466642
Us Borosfags have no excuse

>>54466642
A group of 4 people all not having almost a single answer throughout the course of a game is not normal

>>54466392
>who's not total garbage
but he is. He basically cannot take threats out of the battlefield unless they're creatures, and depending on the creature they may survive. And to do so he almost kills himself.

>>54466698
>Base Sunforger Package:
Mistveil Planes
Sun Titan
Puresteel Paladin
Stoneforge Mystic
Steelshaper’s Gift
Enlightened Tutor
Tithe
Oblation
Swords to Plowshares and/or Path to Exile
Return to Dust
Wear//Tear
Boros Charm
>Helpful Add-ons:
Recruiter of the Guard
Imperial Recruiter
Leonin Shikari
Goblin Welder
Lapse of Certainty
Patrician’s Scorn/Tempest of Light

>>54466810
Sigarda's Aid makes a nice add-on for sunforger
3 mana for an instant speed equip, 5 mana total to cast nearly any instant in your deck whenever you want

>>54465570
Why every edh related channel is so shit? Also the shilling of these guys is unbelievable, if you are watching your typical sponsored channel you skip the first 2 mins, here you skip 10 and they are still talking about their sponsors. Holy fuck.

>>54466875
It sure does. The only reason I didn't list it is b/c it has potential to be dead in the cases where the creature you want to attach w/ Sigarda's Aid trigger has Protection from White (War&Peace/Light&Shadow)

>>54466893
Each of their podcast the first 8 minutes is literally ads almost every time.

>>54465194
Just great Tribal lord. Greatest is still MIstform Ultimus.

How many board wipes should I play in a WU deck?

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spicy

>>54464017
I made a red/black curse deck back when I played constructed.

It was terrible.

>>54466988
oh fuck I didn't mean to sage this

>>54466988
too late im already brewing it

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>>54466985
heh fite me

>>54463903
>How would you have done the tribal layout of C17, /edhg/?

5c Elementals
RW Soldiers
UB Wizards
G Beasts

>>54466985
>red commander
>white spells

>>54467078
this is a nonbo

>>54466893
Shilling MTGMuddstah, sponsor is very short and he condenses a full game into 15 minutes and usually posts decklists.

>>54466893
Most of MTGOrzo's videos don't have ads. There's a pocket from a few months ago that have some, but he said they're from when he first got approved and he's too lazy to take them off

>>54467100
WB Clerics
WBG Spirits
RWB Knights
UBG Morph

>>54467078
dont you sac the flesh bag before you have a chance to attach the aura to it?

>>54467100
5c spirits
WBR Knights
UG Sea monster
B Demons

>>54467078
shit combo

try Yosei + Gift of Immortality with a sac outlet

>>54467199
you flash it in in response to the etb, you have a sigarda's aid right?

>>54467199
even if you could attatch it in time like with >>54467288 it will only come back once, so you cause them to sac 2 creatures for 6+ mana across two colors. It's not just nonbo without another card in the mix, it's bad.

>>54467288
Then the enchant resolves before the creature even enters the battlefield, which means there's nothing to enchant.

>>54467112
that's a 99, not a commander.

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>>54465278
?

>>54467396

what?? This seems like someone just pretending to be retarded, but I'll explain it just in case.

1) Fleshbag Marauder enters the battlefield. His ability triggers.
2) With his ability on the stack, flash in gift of immortality on the marauder.
3) ability resolves, you sacrifice fleshbag marauder.

Congratulations, your nonbo is now a combo.

You could also just sacrifice another creature and then kill off the marauder some other way.

>>54467440
just replace the fleshbag with Sidisi

For as much as people like to whine about Hour being a flop since cards are worth nothing, it sure as shit introduced some fucking broken-ass cards to this format.

>>54467008
anon pls no

I may have only been playing MTG for a year about the time I built it but it but goddamn did it never work

>>54467470
Shit yeah, Solemnity's gonna be fun as fuck.

>>54467494
well constructed and edh are different formats

>>54467637
i'd reckon curses would suck even more in singleton

>>54467637
true, but
>>54467652
what I'm thinking. It was a cool idea, but much like a constructed Hydra tribal deck I once built, never really worked.

It's your money though desu

>>54467652
Probably true. It's probably worse in multiplayer as well.
But i'm already 66 cards deep in the brewing

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*blocks your path*

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>>54467704
Go away.

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>>54467737
>split second
nice try

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Can I still play Fact or Fiction after I play and resolve Doomsday?

>>54467771
is morph not an activated ability?

>>54467828
Morphs rules are funky

>>54466289
Making a second general in an attempt to split the community to appease your autism is a bannable offense as well.

>>54466291
O-Kagachi is obvious, Wasitora is boring and flavorless, and Ramos has godawful art and is yet another LEL 5C WACKY XDDDD card

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>>54467771
If you're allowed to have a morph card on the field before I cast, so am I.

>>54467828
unmorphing doesn't use the stack so the unmorph trigger goes on the stack after split second. Willbender was good split second tech during TSP standard,

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>>54467955
hmm now i'm confused
do the "turned face up" triggers still use the stack? would this card make it fizzle? because the only two morph cards i found was pic related and one that gives a creature +2+2 or -2-2

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Just got this in a pack. Pretty excited.

>>54468110
yes. Turning a card face up is like tapping a land for mana: it is a special ability that doesn't use the stack and can only be used when you have priority. The ability that triggers once the card is turned face up is just a normal triggered ability that does use the stack.

>>54468110
The triggers still go on the stack, but the act of flipping them face up is treated as a Special Action (like playing a land is) rather than an Activated Ability.

>>54464028
Fuck dude, are you me? I think I'd rather see rouges then mercs but fuck man, right on.

>>54468153
>>54468160
alright. so they can morph without using the stack but hen they work kinda like etb triggers

>>54468123
Scarab God is cool. Build zombie tribal, value mill everyone (plus yourself) and start reanimating cool shit.

>>54464028
>rebels

Dude if we got more good rebel cards I would unironically brew Lin Sivvi

Where's the speculation with colors and tribes coming from for C17? I knew dragons and cats but how are we getting mardu vamps and dimir x?

>>54468246
edgar markov's picture is out for c17

>>54468246
leaks showing artwork

>>54468246
They are completely ignoring color balance for this release and focusing on the tribes themselves. This means some colors may be more represented than others.

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>tfw just realised how spicy is Solemnity+Dark Depths

>>54468246
http://magic.wizards.com/sites/mtg/files/C17_Header_2.mp4

Given that they explicitly stated they're not going for color balance, I'm guessing (W?)BR Vamps and WB Clerics.

>>54468262
Oh shit, was that him? I didn't even realize that.

>>54468246
I'm hoping this "Dimir X" shit is false, because it would mean Angels are cucked out of having a tribal commander once again despite being a popular tribe.

>inb4 Kaalia

Not even an angel, and I don't need dragons and demons tainting my shit.

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>>54468308
The card is broken.

>>54468308
>>54468348
Too bad it doesn't do much on its own other than hosing the dickbag playing infect.

>>54468339
no matter what color it is, the art we've got for the 4th deck basically takes Angels out of the running. Based on the picture of the box posted above it almost certainly contains blue

>>54468373
Well it's a really good combo piece, look at Ashnod's Altar, on it's own it's shit but it can enable so many degenerate combos it's not even funny

>>54468389
There are blue angels, but they are few and far between. A proper angel precon would be 5c so you could run the Innistrad legendaries.

>>54468373
Yeah, only that and the single most popular commander on EDHREC by about a 50% margin over 2nd place.

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>>54468412
>look at Ashnod's Altar, on it's own it's shit

>>54468430
Don't most people play Atraxa Superfriends? Solemnity doesn't hit walkers.

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>>54468373
Allows some seriously stupid shit.

>>54468442
Tell me what advantage gives you playing an altar on an empty board

>>54468483
lands are pretty shit if you don't tap them for mana

>>54468489
And so it's Solemnity if you don't play any other combo piece, are you following the reply chain or just arguing for the sake of arguing?

So I'm thinking of building a zombie tribal deck. I know U/B is the go-to, but would mono black Gisa combo work out? And does black have enough artifact recursion for it to work?

>>54468546
She's fine but spamming zombo tokens gets old fast

>>54468483
It allows me to play Prossh next turn and deal infinite damage

>>54468262
Why is everyone saying mardu though?

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>>54468123
>Have opened 3 Scarab Gods this week (Threw one into Zombie tribal, traded one, and am gonna sell the other), two Magestic Myriarchs, Unesh, a foil Scorpion God, and Nicol Bolas
>Still no Locust god

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>>54467269
>tfw Yosei exiled with my Mimic Vat in my Brion deck
My dick couldn't be harder. I also did that to my fiancee. She wasn't as amused as I was

>>54468708
You can see what looks like a white mana symbol on the box for the deck, and until Ixalan drops there aren't enough white vampires to make the deck Orzhov

>>54467773
Yes, nothing wrong with that.

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i'm starting to see the appeal of the blue playstyle now

>be rashmi vs uril and purphoros
>uril and purphoros start smashing each other because they see each other as the bigger threat
>don't do anything myself besides sculpt my hand and prevent them hurting me too much with fogs and spot removal
>uril finally kills purphoros with my help and attacks me with his 24/22 uril
>block him with all my shitty creatures and get them killed
>next turn cast Reins of Power and one-shot him with his own commander
>tfw planned exactly that to happen 4 turns earlier

>>54468738
>asked a week ago at the shop if they opened a Locust God by any chance
>no luck
>asked again today
>still no sign of Locusts
Being a Locustfag is suffering

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>>54468308
If we're talking about Solemnity memes.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kawaii-vampire/

I think I've finalized it. What do you guys think?

>>54469048
Hall of the Bandit Lord gives her haste, Scroll Rack is expensive but a staple.

>>54469032
Wouldn't that do nothing though? You can't put the counters on it so the damage wouldn't be negated.

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>wall tribal
>everybody ignores me the entire game, taking each other down
>it's just me and two others who are at around 20
>player 1 takes out player 2 expecting to kill me with his 30/3 during his next turn, passing it to me
>I sac all my walls and deal 77 direct damage to him

If you can guess what I did you can have my decklist

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Useful or useless?

>>54469071
It replaces the event (taking damage) with literally nothing. Being unable to put counters on it doesn't stop it from trying.

>>54469048
Whoopsie, left my trip on.

>>54469070
That Scroll Rack looks interesting. Does it combo with much?

>>54469091
Useful, not broken or anything, the most obvious use I can see is deleting their combat tricks and making sure your casts in second main aren't countered.

>>54469032
>>54468466
>>54468348
>>54468308
This makes me want to build a Hanna enchantress deck

>>54469088
Does it use Vent Sentinel?

>>54469071
>negated

Are you a Yugioh player? I'm asking because I'm pretty sure that entire question is how this sort of thing would be handled in Yugioh.

>>54468465
People build her a ton of different ways, though Superfriends is admittedly one of them. In my experience they're only a large-ish minority.

>>54469091
Worth it for the salty Omnath players.

>>54469133
Vent Sentinel was on my field but I never once used its ability.

>>54469091
It's useful. Even if they tap out in response, they have to have spells/abilities to spend that mana on in order to prevent you from getting it.

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Post your face when you Notion Thief in response to your opponent's Wheel effect

>>54466479
You know the rules.

>>54469088
you sacced your thing with vicious shadows in play, easy

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>>54469294

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>>54469259
>tfw the last time I played notion thief the UG player slammed chord of calling for consecrated sphinx and killed me

the word "may" is very important, and notion thief lacks it.

>>54468195
It's still a way to get a triggered ability on the stack in response to the Split Second spell. The turned face up trigger would go on the stack and very likely resolve first because Split Second is still on the stack and no one can cast spells or activate non-mana abilities.

>>54468708
Because MTG's art direction for the past few years has for the most part demanded that the card colors are represented in the artwork.

>>54469307
nope

>>54469321
I get triggered whenever I hear about a UG player having more than 5 mana to do things.

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>>54469259
>playing notion thief in C Sphinx: The Format

>>54466767
Except that the best boardwipe in Standard conveniently misses hitting the foil $50 mythic. Therefore they go into the same deck.

>Captcha: click on the panels with vehicles
Nobodies been using vehicles in standard since the RW version got BTFOd.

>>54468868
I mean let's I placed Fact or Fiction on the top of the Doomsday pile, and the card FoF draws 5 cards, will it still be legal with just 4 cards remaining on the library or is that an instant loss for me?

>>54469377
>the best boardwipe in Standard conveniently misses hitting
And then the guy puts creatures on the battlefield and hits your bolas to death. He is useless in and out of standard.

>>54469389
FoF doesn't Draw. It reveals. Pay attention to specific wording.

>>54469438
so it doesn't require 5 cards to reveal for it to be legally casted then?

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>>54469361
I mean, it's Chord of Calling. He could've done it off 0 mana.

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>mfw opponent casts Rise of the Dark Realms and I have Phage the Untouchable in my graveyard.

>>54469475
No you would use the remain cards in your library to do the card then you'd lose next time you draw a card.

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>>54469532
>hearing about UG players having that much of a board presence
Everyone should play Jokulhaups tribal whenever a UG player shows up.

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>mfw sheldor keeps banning cards from newer sets
>mfw they are almost all UG or UGx
>mfw its not really an eternal format
At least im getting my dick sucked

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>>54469551
>Hey man, let me go back on that last play, i didn't know that. You know it's a bullshit ability anyway.

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>>54469591
Sheldor is a tool and an incompetent twat. He only cares about playing the cards he likes and banning those he hates and will use any justification, no matter how flimsy, to go through with his plans. See, his refusal to ban Hermit Druid because "it's only degenerate if you put it in a degenerate deck", even going so far as to up his basic land count in his graveyard decks to make Hermit Druid seem more fair than it really is. See also, pic related about his pet card.

>>54469614
Honest question.. do you guys actually allow this?

>>54469634
I do if the player is new to the game and doesn't know everything. If you're an experienced MTG player though, no excuses.

>>54469652
Here we have a "until combat phase" house rule. No excuses during and after combat.

>>54469551
>mfw I tap my Containment Priest to Chord of Calling for something
My opponent offered to let me go back on my play but no, I'm the idiot who runs Chord in my hatebears deck and did a fucking retarded play, I dealt with the consequences.

>>54469590
>Players constantly complain about UG
>shit 4c for 2016
>shit tribal for 2017
>shit mono color 2018
>commander discontinued as a format 2019 due to poor sales
>people complain and blame anyone but themseves
"Need a tampon for your bleeding vagina princess? Only take 1 a turn though" -Leovold

>>54469634
if it's a friendly game and he genuinely had no clue the card even existed in that kind of situation I would allow it just because having a fun match is more important than winning by accident. No matter what happens I can still say I technically won anyway

>>54469634
No, we would all lol say gg and the guy will remember for next time, its a casual format

>>54469700
Is there any excuse for that in the competitive scenario? because i really don't see the problem in just going back a few steps. I heard some stories regarding pithing needle of people refusing to accept names that were "close" to a card. Always sounds like nonsense because you don't lose anything in-game from that; you didn't reveal your hand or changed your strategy.

>>54469683
>precons meaning anything
The fuck are you on about mate? Do you play in a precons-only meta?

>>54469700
If he played the spell and you countered it would you be ok with him taking it back?

Sometimes the cards you play end up biting you in the ass. It's part of the game.

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Is it viable to make an Atraxa stax deck that wins with infect? All I find on tappedout are dumb planeswalker builds.

>>54469825
>implying if precons didnt sell well the format would still be supported
Boi

>>54469834
getting a spell countered and instantly losing the game because of an incredibly niche effect is very different. I play the game to have fun and if I didn't enjoy winning in that fashion I would just opt to continue the game instead of ending it on a lame note

>>54469867
The format existed long before it got official WotC support. Also, it's still unclear what this has to do with people hating UG. It feels like you're trying to make a point, but you're not quite getting there. Try starting over.

>>54469633
Nth for the Prophet ban was legitimate and necessary

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>>54469911
You're right, one of the very small amount of good decisions to come out of Sheldor's group of retards. Now, if only they could ban Sol Ring and Mana Crypt.

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>>54469294
>>54469313

>>54469929
You can always houserule it.

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>>54466810
You might like:
>Brass Squire

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>>54469867
As long as Standard pumps out 4-5 sets a year the format will still be alive. The only thing that'll happen is Command Towers and Sol Rings going up in price.

>>54469951
My group plays with modo 1v1 rules. It's a huge improvement. I do miss my strip mines though. And my survival of the fittest.

>>54469959
>Sol Rings going up in price
They'll never climb back to the price point they were at before WOTC started printing them like crazy.

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>>54468965
Nice get

>>54469761
They changed the rules so close to it counts as long as both players know what's being referred it or something.

>>54469633
>I need Sheldon to tell how to have fun and not be degenerate

>>54469633
Friendly reminder that Hulk was unbanned because creature strategies are weak and Leo was banned because creatures are strong.

t. Sheldon

>>54470043
Who are you quoting?

>>54470107
I hate Leovold as much as the next guy but he's not that degenerate. I've yet to lose to him 1v1 with my Daretti.

>>54470111
Oh are you not familiar with how this site functions? To reply to posts, you click on the post number and then the red link in your posts leads back to the post you replied to. Click the link on my post to follow the conversation.

>>54469091
Why not mana drain tho

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I'm starting to build a Jori-En deck and I'm going U/R artifacts, but I need some recommendations from you all, /tg/. I was thinking of going eggs/salvaging station, but the combo potential seems a little bare bones in a highlander format. What are some good vintage/legacy egg style artifacts. Preferably CMC 1 or less, but I guess it isn't mandatory.

That failing, I'll probably go for an artifcact reanimator build like Slobad or Daretti, both of whom will likely be included in the 99 anyway. I just really liked the idea of a trinket and bauble focused deck for Jor-En being that she is a relic hunter and all that. This concern of flavor brings me to my last plea for guidance. I'm struggling to select good islands for this deck! I already settled on the mountain I want, and I was really hoping for a nice looking island. I love the art in Academy Ruins and something like that, an underwater island, would fit very nicely with the deck aesthetic. I've looked through big galleries of basics and I can't really find what I'm looking for.

tl;dr I'm building Jori-En. I need recommendations on some useful eggs and cheap artifacts to include and good looking islands that look like underwater ruins.

>>54470198
Because mana drain is expensive.

>>54470194
That's clearly not what the linked post said. I think you are confused.

>>54470131
Bring back Banned as Commander. Leo, and Braids Banned as Commander. Griselbrand, Emmy, Roffellos and Erayo banned.

>>54469761
>>54470024
>201.3. If an effect instructs a player to name a card, the player must choose the name of a card that exists in the Oracle card reference (see rule 108.1) and is legal in the format of the game the player is playing. (See rule 100.6.) If the player wants to name a split card, the player must name both halves of the split card. (See rule 708.) If the player wants to name a flip card’s alternative name, the player may do so. (See rule 709.) If the player wants to name the back face of a double-faced card, the player may do so. (See rule 711.) A player may not choose the name of a token unless it’s also the name of a card.

If you played Nevermore and said "Brago", your opponents can do one of two things:
>Accept that everyone understands you meant Brago, King Eternal
>Request that you clarify

What they can't do:
>Cast Brago, King Eternal and then say "Well, you named 'Brago', and I didn't cast a card named 'Brago'."

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>>54470198

>>54469091
Why not mana drain tho

>>54470215
I lied, I meant mana short sorry

>>54470216
Oh sorry I didn't better explain chan culture. Whenever you "green text" something in reply to a post it's summarizing a part of the argument in a manner designed to be mocked. In short, green text purports the implication outlined in the replied post. Does that clear things up?

>>54470275
That's clearly not what the linked post was implying. Try harder.

>>54470254
Damn I'm on mobile, sorry for the fuckery.

>>54470286
Then english must not be your first language. I'm not literate enough in other languages to try to translate so sorry I can't be of further help. Hope you learned some things though.

>>54465816
>MLD
Mild land destruction?

>>54464028
>How would you have done the tribal layout of C17
>Angels
>whatever, I don't care about anything else really

>>54470327
Moderate Land Deterrent

>>54470310
What is this polite retard routine and do you expect it to work?

>>54470362
I'm sorry. I don't really follow your broken english. Could you try to reword it maybe?

>>54470236
Serious question tho, whats the ruling on foreign cards, I dont have a "karn liberated" in my deck I have "Kān ga kaihō sa reta" if they name karn and I play kan ga is it allowed because its technically not the "named" card

>>54470398
Technically it is the named card. Kan ga kaiho sa reta is Karn Liberated.

>>54470398
You don't just have a "Kān ga kaihō sa reta" in your deck, it's a Karn Liberated. It's also a Karn Liberado, Karn der Befreite, and Кapн Ocвoбoждeнный.

What's physically printed on the card is irrelevant. A card is a representation of its oracle text.

>>54470398
It's the same card. It does the same thing but in a different language. It's the same if you have a misprint, the name of the card is tied to the function of the card.

>>54464028
Oozes BUG
Bears G
Horrors UB
Aven UW
Riggers R

>>54470327
Makes limp dicks

>>54470254
>I lied, I meant mana short sorry
With Drain Power you get the mana they could produce. So if they don't have a way to counter it, its a nice little mana boost in blue, plus ensuring your opponent is tapped out.

>>54470566
In EDH, do you get mana they generate if it is outside of your colors? I would think yes because you are not the one generating it, but I have never explored this rule very much.

>>54470452
If the card doesnt have a printed language, say karn in arabic and I named كارن المحررة does it still count? Technically if my opponent or judge didnt speak arabic I could really say it was any card I named as they played it or

Say I did a Tolkien and created my own language but the card wasnt printed in that language and I named "gærgĺəflărp", would a judge need clarification on what card it was gærgĺəflărp is totally different to ğærģĺəflărp

>>54470592
They reversed that rule a while ago. You can generate mana of any color now. It's pretty important for Sen Triplets.

>>54470398
Literally reread the post you quoted. The card itself is irrelevant, it's the oracle text. If you have a miscut Karn that's now "Arn, Liberated" you can't stick your tongue out and scream "nananana", it still works.

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What's a fun mono-blue deck? No wizard tribal/infinite combo/counterspell bullshit, something different that you wouldn't see show up at the table every week. I was thinking Sun Quan Lord of Wu unblockables with small dudes that do shit when they deal combat damage

>>54470609
I feel like you might have brain damage

no

people HAVE to understand what card you're naming when you name it

>>54470613
Oh shit, thanks, never would have known.

>>54470609
If requested, a Judge can require you to use a name as written in the Oracle text.

If you and the other player both understand what you're referring to when you say gærgĺəflărp, it's fine, but an opponent can get arbitration on it.

Basically, if you're looking for a loophole, no. There is no way you can be ambiguous about it in a way that can get around your opponent just saying "JUDGE".

>>54470620
Mistform ultimatus lord tribal voltron.

>>54470620
Braids, maybe. She basically turns the game into Planechase.

>>54470661
Ahh ok fair enough

In the case my opponent was deaf and I was a deaf mute who lost both hands in a boating accident so I had to use a helper monkey to write for me would "ook ook" from the helper monkey count as naming a card? When my opponent plays the named card my helper monkey can fling poo at him to indicate thats the chosen card

>>54470620
Literally the most popular mono blue commander isn't wizard tribal, counterspell, or combo, but "Cantrips for Drakes" Play Talrand. Or play Sakashima, or Blue Braids, or Padeem, or Thada Adel, or Jinny.

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>>54470620
literally a different game every time. also the only probable chance of copying a commander twice

>>54470702
This is the worst bait I've ever seen. Here's your (You), kill yourself.

>>54470702
Here's the article about disabled players:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/dealing-disabled-players-2009-04-27

That should have some relevant information about what your representative is able to do. Note that a representative is up to approval from the head judge of the event, so before you ask any questions about what your helper monkey is able to do, you first have to ask if you'll be allowed to have your helper monkey as your representative at all, which is very unlikely.

>>54469551
I'm pretty tired of takebacks in my meta. The only way to get good is learn from mistakes

>>54470747
This article was very informative, I understand that having assistance could hamper the enjoyment of others

What is the helper monkey eas just replaced with a regular black person? the judge really couldnt say no in the current political climate to that regardless, I know the monkey would be able to play and communicate better but for the tournament I can make a change fir the benifit of others, what is wizards take on transveg people? If I were to be tattoed green and covered in hpv and identify as a pickle do they need to provide a vool bath of a water/vinegar mix with some dill and garlic in the bottom so I can play comfortably? It seems they deem some vegetables higher than others (look at the pro tour)

>>54470609
>>54470702
>>54470932
Im so sorry and I really know I shouldnt but I fucking lol'd, have 3 more (you)s

>>54470932
>>54470962
(You) should not samefag

>>54470932
>do they need to provide a vool bath of a water/vinegar mix with some dill and garlic in the bottom so I can play comfortably?

No. I don't believe they provided a wheelchair for Brandon Burton during Grand Prix Indianapolis. You're required to furnish your own accommodations. If those accommodations would severely impact gameplay, it's again up to the discretion of the head judge as to whether or not to allow them at all.

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Should I use Samut (with loads of value untappers like Mother of Runes, Captain Sisay and Both Selvalas) or Marath will of the Wild as my commander, with Samut tuterable in the 99?
Marath seems like a better mana-sink, but Samut has flash and is an excellent enabler.

>>54471077
Is your meta fast or battlecruiser?

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>>54471077

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>>54471077

>>54471098
No deck besides my Scarab God deck has faster mana than sol ring, infinite combos and >1 extra turns are looked down upon, but there's no craw wurms in sight if that gives you an idea of the powerlevel
>>54471120
>No Heartless Hidegutsu
Get that shit out of here

>>54471169
>>54471169
>>54471169

New thread. Come on over whenever.

>>54469933
how nu r u?

>>54470398
Are you underage, or retarded, or both?

>>54470609
Fucking kill yourself

>>54471120
Nigga, tappedout.

>>54469933
Do you just not know the movie or do you just not know the rule?

insect or wurm tribal when?

>>54470203
http://basiclandart.tumblr.com/tagged/island

Far as I know there's no underwater ruin basic, but Mirage islands+mountains are always great.

>>54466767
He can also kill planeswalkers, and players, not to mention which creature in standard is strong enough to take a bolas hit? Not only that has a + that really fucks controls game. You're honestly just real bad at evaluating cards, a deck running nicolbolas got first in the first big standard tourney for hou standard last weekend.

>>54465278
worst commander in the game, one of the worst legends of all time

prove me wrong (this is coming from someone who mains Slobad)

>>54470684
seconded

surprisingly large number of options, with easy unblockability from slivers / merfolk, and the added fun of inheriting tribal effects from your friend's decks occasionally

>>54471150
this card is so fucking good

flash in and block with doublestrike
flash in and untap
flash in on the end of your opponent's turn, then dump your hand and go wide

>>54465330
The only people who object to custom commanders that don't technically fit the criteria are giant tools. It's a casual, made up format for fuck's sake. The amount of people I've met that think Wizards invented it and don't know what EDH means or stands for is unsettlingly large.

>>54471372
He sounds more like a dickass wannabe Spike to me.

Alright fa/tg/uys, I hit hard times and had to sell a lot of commander Staples to pay bills, rip doubling season, cavern of souls, wasteland, etc.
But I still want to upgrade a few decks on the cheap cheap, any cool tech for things like slivers, marchesa(grixis), or lovisa?