Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for the Drukhari!

Does anyone have scans of the Open War cards? I don't want to have to go buy them.

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>>54417348
Aren't they for open play only? If so they're worth less than a snotling. At least snotlings are puppies.

>tfw want to start a new army but know it's just an impulse buy
Anyone else ever had this feeling?

4th for Lelith Hesperax is a druggie.

Why do poor people play 40k and then bitch about GW's prices?

>>54417388
I feel like that's how GW get most of their sales.
People pick an army, organise the first half of it, and then go "Yeah, that'd be cool!" and impulse buy the rest of their stuff.

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>>54417324
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE STARS MEAN

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>>54417388
All the time, then I realize all I need is more dreadnoughts. Beer-guts Boxnought cant come soon enough.

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R8

>>54417383
Thanks for your opinion, I've had a lot of fun with large open play games though and I don't automatically hate everything new like a sperg so I still want them.

>>54417388
Of course we have. Resist. You'll thank yourself in the long run and be able to save the money and not hate yourself for being so easily duped.

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Do plague marines suck? 21 ppm seems pretty high for bog standard tacticals damage potential

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Tonight is the night!
At the very least I should be able to plop it down as a silo for tomorrow's game

Has the Land Raider been discontinued? People say the original space marines are being phased out in the next year.

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Captains are just patsies for overchargning plasma weapon squads now.

>>54417420
>plays open
>calls people spergs
You really want to have fun you get your friends together and get wasted as you play.

>>54417324
Daily reminder to post this image in every thread for newfags.

>>54417434
They are very hard to kill and have caused a lot of rage at the games I've played and watched

>>they do okay at their job, which is to be meatshields for everything else

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What should I do to achieve this magenta flame colour? I want to use it on the flames in my pink horror's hands.

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It's weird to me that they're doing two Imperial codexes in a row, instead of following up with Chaos so the Smurf Dex has a proper opponent.


How much of an overdone showpiece model do you figure they're going to make for the new plastic Abaddon?

>>54417450
>heh kid, you think you're having fun? think again.
>I know how to have real fun, not like you spergs

>>54417443
They are

>>54417443
no, that's bullshit.
It's all bullshit rumors.

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>>54417444

You mean their position of leadership and command is why you take them instead of trying to pretend they're good at melee for their points?

About fucking time

>>54417392
For love.

>>54417388
I have a lot of primaris now and only gonna get more despite not playing SM.

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>>54417410
Saradomin

>>54417462
>magenta

>>54417416
Nose with Arms is almost as disgraceful as Exposed Headnought.

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>>54417470
Anon you absolute fucking retard that is exactly what they're doing.

>>54417481
they do make good guards for countercharging/heroic intervention if someone charges the plasmas

>>54417480

Maybe but the Land Raider has sold out on the GW UK website.

What does the typical Tzeentch list look like? My local shop isn't playing AOS anymore, and are switching to 40k. I have SOME tzeentch daemons from AOS that I can use, but I'm also considering just grabbing a admech SC.

Primaris Grey Knights?

>>54417475
Yes, because all games need rules and boundaries. Otherwise it's nonsense.
>19 captchas

I wanna see what the thread thinks is the most annoying fanbase here.
I selected 8 faction options for what I see posted the most since I didn't want a 30-something options poll to try and include everyone.
Bearing in mind IG is the most plentiful, that may skew the polls towards or away from them.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13483986

Start Nurgle Demons, Primaris chapter, or another Marine Chapter?

>IH still mad about their chapter tactic
So what would you fags prefer? +1 to invulns? Inviolate armor? Move and fire heavy unrestricted?

Jesus fuck marines are too privileged, one of the best CT isn't enough because they don't get an army of special characters like all the other power armors

>>54417519
so are a whole lot of things.
They're doing a big repackaging and reset.
If everything that is sold out is being phased out, every army is being half phased out.

>>54417470
Yes, that classic Imperial Codex, Chaos Space Marines.

>>54417410
It's the symbol of Olympia I'd those are Iron Warriors helmets.
Otherwise, IDFK.

In other news apparently people in corrective facilities play Dark Heresy. Who knew they liked being on the other side of the law.

>>54417524
95% chance of nope. I'm expecting nothing of the GK codex and it will impress me if it still manages to disappoint, considering it's track record from 7th.

>>54417516

a fair point, in fact my might of heroes lieutenant and captain managed to really blunt a genestealer charge with just the two of them standing in front of my hellblasters.

>>54417557

What else has sold out? I still want a few SM things and I couldn't give a fuck about chadmarines.

Opinion on heldrakes for Chaos anti air?

There's no real anti air option for chaos from the look of things and it's kinda bothering me.

>>54417540
We don't even know their stratagem or WL trait yet, either. Their WL trait and/or Relic could be extra busted to make up for the fact that they have no named characters.

>>54417582

What the fuck is even going to be in the GK codex?

Unless they change some rules from the index, I'm expecting 1-3 relics, 1 strategem, 3 more sanctic powers and 1 warlord trait for $50.

>>54417602
It's just -1 to hit
Take a Prescience LasPred and shoot 'em down.

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What does a Tzeentch list look like in 40k? My local shop isn't playing AOS anymore, and are switching to 40k. I have SOME tzeentch daemons from AOS that I can use, but I'm also considering just grabbing an admech SC.

>>54417602

pretty good. Its a legit melee monster and it can fight airborne stuff in the fight phase.

>>54417614
The Space Marine Codex has 26 fucking Stratagems and you think Grey Knights will get 1?

>>54417621
Anything you want to that has the <Mark of Chaos>. You're most likely going MSU to capitalize of mortal wound output.

>>54417573
Is there a source anywhere at all showing that it's Olympia's symbol? I just wanna know some context of why FW put em on there when everything about Iron Warriors says "Plates on top of plates on top of rivets and more plates"

>>54417628

Prob 3 per codex. 8 chapters x 3 = 24. Dunno where the fuck those other 2 came from. 3 strategems seems like a good and typical amount right?

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>>54417628

did you *see* the 7th edition GK codex?

>>54417530
>that GSC breeder mention
Where is she, bros

I don't care what the spergs thought, she was great

>>54417530
>no Tau
You didn't even try did you?

>>54417651

The mystery of the IW star has never been revealed. When asked, FW just shrugged and said lol. It's been a mystery for several years already.

>>54417652
Each Chapter gets 1. The rest of them are all generic or unit-specific.

26 - 8 = 18. So probably 3-6 of those are Adeptus Astartes and the remaining 12-15 are for units.

>>54417654
Who gives a fuck, it's not the same writers anymore retard. Every army is getting support.

>>54417657
On >>>/soc/ probably, where you belong too.

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>>54417614
Disappointment.

Look at the chedar and laugh.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uk-E_KwlHU7xnM0_QhqPsPQ6zbvoP-yrSQBvZEnHc0A/edit

>>54417597
Temporary out of stock or sold out?
btw, land raiders aren't out of stock.

>>54417685

>Who gives a fuck, it's not the same writers anymore retard.

Do I have bad news for you...

>>54417644
MSU?

>>54417659

I thought for a while whether to include them. They aren't the most popular group here. Bear in mind it is the fan base here not whatever blogs you trawl.
Most of the time they get shitposted about so it seemed like a meme option if any so I decided to not include it.

>>54417405
You can bitch about prices and not be poor. It's bullshit how a box of ork boyz costs less then a box of space marines.

>>54417694
Jesus christ why is Tau such an autistic faction

>>54417719
I never bitch about the price of things I can easily afford. I don't even bitch about the price of things I can't afford. I guess that's just what being smart and having a good job gets you.

>>54417700
Spot the triggered /soc/fag.
>>>/soc/
>>>/s/
You have to go back

>>54417695

On the UK website the normal land raider is OOS but the land raider crusader is OOP.

>>54417741
>doesn't even deny he's a dark angels loving faggot who gets triggered by pretty girls
>shilling his gay hookup board
WEW

>>54417530
>Tau not being an option
Shit poll.

>>54417694
>mindless drones
Bullshit, tau drones are programmed with self preservation and aren't considered expendable.

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>>54417670
Whoever made it needs to be kicked in the dick repeatedly. Holy shit it frustrates me to know end, especially because if the stars weren't there, they'd look honestly more fitting, but the adding of an ornate star is just, I need some fucking context FW, god damn.

@54417753
If you want that (You) you'll need to bait a little harder my thirsty beta virgin friend.

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>>54417644
So like groups of 3 flamers or 10 horrors (initially pink)?

>>54417719
>It's bullshit how a box of ork boyz costs less then a box of space marines.
Fucking how? It takes a lot more Orks to make an army than it does Marines, and they're not as popular so they need help selling with price cuts, and they're much older lower quality models.

You sound like a butthurt poor marinefag.

>>54417442
noice m8

>>54417750
US both are in stock.
It's a distribution center thing.

>>54417763
Not FW fault you're an autistic idiot who feels warhammer must be HISTORICALLY ACCURATE FICTION

>>54417670
>>54417651
>>54417573
>>54417410
>>54417763
Original Terran Legion symbol?

>>54417719
Just use primaris.

>>54417791
Fuck you nigger, wouldn't you have some reservations if the Thousand Sons got a new release but they are were all of a sudden all dressed in Viking esque garb? It doesn't make sense why something would be established and then have a design that contradicts the actual fluff.

>>54417825
>having a single unintrusive four-pointed star icon on some of your models that are otherwise exactly like they've always been is the same as Thousand Sons in Viking garb
Take your fucking meds

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>>54417753
>>54417700
>>54417657


>being obsessed with some weird 4/10 daddy issues girl who just happens to whore herself on the internet with memes from your favorite plastic toy soldier franchise

why

>>54417644
So I could run a daemonic force with shit like scarab termies or rubric marines on the side?

>>54417859
Because that's the closest he'll ever get to talking to a girl.

>>54417324
>Fate of konor campaign has a lord of war bonus in one of the weeks
>Literally never seen anyone at my GW field a lord of war of any kind
>have a baneblade and a scythed heirodule

Will it be wrong to show up with and field both in the same game?

>>54417709
Your poll is bad and you should feel bad.

>>54417861
You can use anything as long as every unit shares a faction keyword. Chaos would allow both tsons and demons, but certain buffs and abilities will only affect certain units

>>54417530
why didn't you just list each actual army that exists you colossal faggot?

>>54417861
Sure can, it's all in the chaos index. Note that csm daemon princes buff both daemons and tzeentch csm while cd daemon princes only buff tzeentch daemons, which includes csm daemons like the fiends and such

>>54417861
Any units can be used in an army so long as they share at least one faction keyword.

>>54417324
Does anyone have a link to the wargaming discord?

>>54417963
No. Fuck off and take your shitty datamining honeypot with you.

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Why are Imperial Knights so shit now?
They cost 25% more than last edition, can't rape in close combat with stomp attacks, and the most dakka knight you can make is still useless against hordes.

>>54417859
>4/10
Are you a chubby chaser or something? Even if you think she's an annoying whore if you've seen the pics they are way better than 4/10

>>54417906
Dark eldar even have one of those?

>>54417906
Don't bring both unless it's worth extra points to bring more than one. Just one or the other is fine.

>>54417979
bruh
wut
they bretty gud survivability wise

>>54417993

You get to use one of the Eldar ones I presume

>>54417979

Now people will actually play against you without list-tailoring.
Otherwise you had the most one-sided matches ever

>>54418002

Not for their points cost they're not.

>>54417979
That's what you get for playing shit that doesn't belong on tabletop combat scale.

>>54417979
Having a save used and defense against the damage table were why they were good, and everything has that now.

also underuse of the "this attack X if targetting unit with 10+ models" effect in the rules.

>>54417979
You realize last edition they were horrendously OP and now they're merely borderline OP, right? Eat a dick

>waaaaa I cant singlehandedly beat hordes with 4 models
Play a real fucking army with one or two knights on the side faggot

>>54417912
>>54417928
Sweet. The TS terminators look awesome and sound pretty stronk. Will probably run changeling and horrors for objective cap and use TS for fuckery

>>54417963
hwjWfm
>>54417971
datamining honeypot?

>>54417993
the big transport and superheavy flier iirc.

>>54417979
>Why are Imperial Knights so shit now?
They aren't. They're actually very good, in particular VS air spam meta.

>>54417979
Knights have been underwhelming thus far. The melee one especially.

>>54418008

>Now people will actually play against you without list-tailoring.
>Otherwise you had the most one-sided matches ever

Bad player detected.

>>54418028
/pol/fags think everything is a datamining honeypot. If they weren't all pedophiles they wouldn't have to worry about whether something even was or not.

Should I build my Broadside with the Railgun or go through the task of magnetizing it and hoping I don't fuck up?

>>54418013
git gud nub

>>54418021
>horrendously OP

It wasn't that hard to kill them in a single turn. They were more damage sinks than anything. The only one that came close to OP was the Crusader just because it brought a fuckload of firepower.

>>54417324
is chart-anon around? his grey knights falchion numbers seem wrong to me.

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>>54418021

>last edition they were horrendously OP
HAHAHAHA

>>54418028
Discord datamines you just like any other centralized messaging service ever. In addition they're notorious for coincidentally releasing the doxes of people they don't like and giving it to news reporters and other questionable organizations.

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>>54417324
Is it rape if its done under the holy matrimony?

>>54418054
>Bad player detected.

???
>Person has lots of anti-armour
>knights btfo
>person doesn't have much anti-armour
>knights btfo out of their opponents

One-sided either way, doesn't make anyone a baddie

>>54418070
>It wasn't that hard to kill them in a single turn.
Yeah, if you were also running an OP army and spamming grav or D-weapons

God 7th was such fucking cancer, I actually forgot for a short time just how cancerous it was

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Japanese 40k players are freaking out about how the codexes are only being released in English in Japan.

Indexes, and the 8th edition rule book all were translated.

White Dwarf even gets translated into Jap.

>>54418038
The tantalus is a heavy support and the flyer is OOP with no rules. But because keywords you can just bring a wraithknight.

>>54418057
One of my friends got doxed by Buzzfeed via Discord because he said shit they didn't like. Grow the fuck up you cringeworthy faggot.

>>54418069

>costs more
>does less damage
>less durable
>>HURR GET GUD
k

>>54418098
>op army

I saw them die to lascannon Predators and vanquisher Russ'.

They could easily be focused down with lascannons and the like.

>>54418105
;^}

>>54418078
>they weren't OP against my Riptide Wing allied to grav-bikestar!
Of course not, anon. And it was all skill that made you good, and GW was specifically out to get you with the new edition.

>>54418104

>things that never happened

>>54418143

Yeah, tell me more about how your dogshit ork list couldn't deal with them because you had nothing but 5 tankbustas and a battlewagon or some shit you fucking retard

>>54418105
>less durable
they're better against anti-armor, they just can't be a skew against lists without dedicated anti-armor.

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>>54417530

Update
CSM leading followed by IG. I guess Carnac has left his mark here like Sanguinus on the BAs

>>54418099
Look at all that unsold 40k, small wonder they don't bother translating shit.
They're all playing echidna wars the tabletop game and unbirthing maidens with their lamias instead.

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>>54418099
Well, they should have learn some English.

>>54418165
Things that did
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/trump-supporters-have-built-a-document-with-the-addresses?utm_term=.tuvn2k3qB#.livMzNpOa

>>54417981

I have seen the pictures and I also see real people on a daily basis, so yeah she's completely unremarkable in anyway besides being mentally ill.

>>54418170

>lists without dedicated anti-armor.
If you make a list without this, you deserve to lose every single game against any army

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>>54418104
Holy shit I can't even begin to contain all this laughter

>ONE OF MY FRIENDS GOT DOXXED BY BUZZFEED
>BECAUSE OF DISCORD

Oh my fucking god

>>54417979

They poop all over vehicle, bike and MEQ lists, which is like 95% of all lists.

They're hard countered by conscript spam but nobody actually runs that. They can deal with 100 conscripts in a list pretty well.

>>54418174
are you retarded ?

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>>54418184
>aids in the doxxing of people
>whines about getting doxxed

pottery

>>54418105
it's not that they're tones worth, but what made them good isn't restricted to knights anymore.
before Knight vs Land Raider
>Knight save- LR no type of save
>Knight basically immune to damage chart- LR can blow up from one lucky hit.
Now the LR has a save, can't be one shot or crippled from one shot.

>>54418174
My LGS's stuffs selling like hot cakes but they still have a bunch of shit on shelves just so you know.

>>54418200
>pointy ears

>>54418225
>aids in the doxxing of domestic terrorists who are in the first place attempting to dox the other side anyways
>this is somehow a bad thing

>>54418196
and this is why people like 8th ed better. People can't make an army building choice that makes half or more of your army literally useless.
They can just make them less useful.

>>54418184
So your friend was some /pol/cuck doxxing other people and he got doxxed and now you're crying about it? Because he didn't cover his tracks and someone managed to track his illegal activity? This is fucking next level

>centipede central
Holy fuck you're reddit levels are off the chart, we need some lead shielding in here

>>54417443
Its a rumor based on nothing.
That being said in the very core of your being you know it to be true.

>>54418176
You don't understand - in Japan, pretty much exactly like in the US, the people living their think their country is the only country that exists.

>>54417979
Pay for as much firepower as humanly possible, go balls deep into battle. While vehicles (particularly blast weapons) have lost a lot of their long-range killing potential, their increased durability and improved movement make them vital as front-line damage sponges. Moreover, the weapon options are fairly priced, it's the chassis that breaks the bank. Put enough guns on it to justify having paid for 20+ wounds.

>>54418245
not quite
in eighth you NEED MULTIPLE weapons that do D6 or more damage reliably or else even a single big thing will fuck you over

>>54418209

>They poop all over vehicle, bike and MEQ lists, which is like 95% of all lists.
Not really. They're much worse at it than in 7e.
Go look at their 7e codex if you don't believe me.

>They're hard countered by conscript spam but nobody actually runs that. They can deal with 100 conscripts in a list pretty well.
Hard countered by any spam, because a dakka knight is almost 600 fucking points, and almost never makes those points back except against a few unit types.
They also can get bullied away from such targets, and if you ever charge one with cheap non-infantry models, its gg.

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>>54418099
>Not speaking English

Darn japs

>>54417530
Dumb fucking poll, didn't even include every faction, obviously changing results from anything remotely accurate.

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>>54418244
>trumpfag LARPers think that libfag LARPers on the other side of their childish game are actually domestic terrorists
I can't take any more, please release my sides

>>54418249
He wasn't doxxing other people, he was reposting a collected list of information about domestic terrorists who were in the first place doxxing everyone they thought was a nazi anyways.

And don't fucking ask me about Centipede Central, I know him through a completely different server.

>>54418272
that less useful not useless.
If the army skews to being all big things, my S3-5 D1 weapons are less useful, but they aren't sitting there with their thumbs up their ass.

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>>54417859
I just found her funny because she pissed of spergs like you.

>>54418273

I feel like you're missing something in your theoryhammer because the knight list at our tournament last weekend did very well.

>>54418286
>antifa aren't domestic terrorists
>literally cause riots, attack random people who look like nazis to them (ie. everyone who isn't them) and go around whacking people with bike locks over their "punch le nazis" fantasies
>not terrorists

>>54417417
I'm surprised at the lack of Assault Marines, why bring Tacticals in a Carchadons list?

>>54418259
Well that just wierd since I heard that they do teach English in middle school.
But anw, looks like GW gonna slap them in the face and tells them to go learn some Burgerland language this time.

>>54418104
>Grow the fuck up you cringeworthy faggot.
Wew, someone touched a nerve. Wanna take bets on how long until the FBI catches you for hoarding cheese pizza?

>>54418293

I guarantee this guy would give her patreon money if she had one.

>>54418229

>LR can blow up from one lucky hit.
How? Unless you're talking about D weapons, that's impossible.
And the Knight only got an invulnerable save against one facing, it was hardly as hard to damage as you claim.

>>54418313

>gets hit by AP1 weapon
>rolls a 6 for damage
>explode result

???

you didn't actually play 7th did you

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What is the most aesthetically pleasing army one can field?

>>54418308
It's funny because it's mostly leftists that defend "pedosexuals". Something about "love surpasses age boundaries" is what you retards are pushing now?

>>54418301
when is russia invading the US.

I think the american population has run its course, and they all just need to be gassed or something. liberals especially.

>>54418307
Apparently unless you go to some private high school then the English they teach isn't even enough to hold a simple conversation.

Either way it's an odd business decision on GW's part.

>>54418294

>my single piece of anecdotal evidence makes me suspect your statistical evidence is wrong

Please end your life without further delay.

>>54418301
You need to spend more time /outside/ and less time on /pol/ lad

Fuck.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/a-brain-implant-turns-loser-mice-into-aggressive-fighters/

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>>54418312
Well I wouldn't.
Don't get me wrong she was fuckable, but not an "I'll work for this" or "I'll pay money for this" kind of level.

>>54418333
its objectively eldar.

>>54418313
Any weapon with AP 2 or 1 (aka 50% of the weapons people fielded, the other 50% being grav, haywire and Str D) very much could. Don't you remember the damage chart, and the ever infamous one-meltagun-oneshot-my-LR scenario ?

>>54418302
Scouts and tacticals are usually the only ones on the ground. Then the termies teleport in for the kill then they leave.

>>54418293
Same here desu

>>54418359
One step closer to real life space marines.

>>54418329
try AP2.
AP 1 you only need to roll a 5+ for damage.
Twin Linked bright lances, roll a 5 then a 6, dead LR turn 1.

Also, any pen, most of your guns hit on 6s, immobilize basically makes you useless.

>>54418333
Squats.

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When do Iron Hands shine the most?

>>54418291
wounding with 5s and 6s is never going to be enough to kill vehicles/big things
at that point you just have to play objectives/pray you dont get tabled by everything blasting you

>>54418357
Fun fact: Antifa are known to attack their own people who lost their facemasks because they literally all cannot tell who's on who's side without said facemasks. That pretty much sums up their entire movement in general.

>>54418355
your statistical evidence is entirely based on bootstrapping, and should be doubted until consulted against real world observational evidence.

>>54418386
After polishing their armour, duh.

>>54418386
Under a lamp, dummy

>>54418089
>amputee, rape, cuntboy, impregnation, elf, guro, snuff, pig man, anal, yaoi, birth, body modification, pregnant, crossdressing, bbm, double penetration, bondage, x-ray, bride, gag, monster, orc, gender bender

>>54418329

Forgot about that. Haven't played 7ed in like 4 months.
Though the exact same thing could happen to a knight anyway, so I don't see your point.

>>54418335
>implying I'm a leftist
Ah yes, the old "i-if you make fun of me for taking polshit and trump way too seriously, y-you must be a liberal shill!"

Also there are literally raid threads on *chan /pol/ where they organize false flag "pedosexuality" pushing shit, don't try and act like you don't know this is your own people doing it for lulz

>>54418333
Assuming the painting skills are good enough, Eldar. Maybe thousand sons or a few of the more eye catching loyalist chapters like the howling griffons.

>>54418387
yes, but they contribute.
If 50% of my army is S4-5, 0-2 AP, 1D, they'll put out 5-10 damage over a couple of turns. So it's like they're another lascannon or two.

In 7e, they were nothing.

So I can have those points, knowing they still do something even against a skew. Where before you needed a direct way to counter a skew if you want to have a big section of S4-6 weapons.

>>54418406
The pedosexual shit is real. Unless you're no different from those idiotic /r/the_donald tards who think that everyone who finds them cringeworthy faggots is ShareBlue or something.

>>54418395

>your statistical evidence is entirely based on bootstrapping,
No?

>and should be doubted until consulted against real world observational evidence.
This here is why you need to end yourself.

>>54418388
Which is funny as fuck, but they're dumb college liberals, not domestic terrorists, let's not overstate the situation here lol

>>54417417
Needs moar drop pod.

>>54418395
But anon, these days people believe science is some sort of global conspiracy and only does bad things. Despite the fact that 95% of the things they do and items they use would not be there or be possible without science ...
Humanity can't go extinct soon enough. When are we finally starting the nuclear war that wipes out all humanity ?

>>54418403
no it couldn't
Knights were superheavies.

>>54418397
>>54418399
*punches you each in the nose*

>>54418432
someone should go gun them all down.

>>54418432
The fact that they're organizing attacks on the public over political ideology does technically make them terrorists. Not on the scale of ISIS or the Taliban but still terrorists.

>>54418401
yeah im gonna need a link

>>54418403
No, because a Imperial Knight was a Superheavy Vehicles, which meant the vehicle damage chart didn't do anything to it. Explodes just did D3 hullpoints and that was it.

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>>54418445

>>54418333
I would argue well painted Thousand Sons or Tzeentch daemons. AdMech are up there too IMO.

>>54418426

yeah its nice to be able to have the chance to do something but you need the right tools regardless, just like older editions
i lost all three rounds of a tournament cause i couldnt take out vehicles/monstrous creatures as i only had like one d6 damage weapon and some d2 weapons (which obviously is nowhere near enough AT)

So what are your favorite plastic army men

>>54418428
yes it is.
You're generating out attacks based on examples, and repeating them the number of times they could happen in a game.
You're not looking at examples of how movement, LoS, objectives, etc effect actual shooting over the course of a game.

That's bootstrapping. You're generating out statistical samples from population statistics, not doing actual sampling.

>>54418448
See that's exactly the kind of shit that gets you doxxed, and then your friends complain 4chan is a datamining honeypot and then we all laugh at them.

>>54418057
>pol/fags
>nobody was even discussing pol
What did he mean by this?

>>54418461
Wouldn't have to do this if you had just answered my question politely mister smarty pants

>>54418433
droppods are hot garbage didnt ya hear?
>>54418386
before that autistic retard perturabo

>>54418386
After just applying the sacred lubricants to their many glorious bionics ofcourse.

>>54418459

No, it was D3+1

>>54418444

D weapons

>>54418476
Bullgryns and Sisters of Silence are my favorite models.

>>54418441
ehh, lots of sides misuse science and statistics.
People really do not know how to evaluate statistics. The average means so much less than the distribution, and both mean less than the quality of the data the statistics come from.

>>54418496
M-muh fluffy lists

>>54418483
>implying you aren't fully aware that 90% of the time people complain about "datamining" and "honeypots" it's in the context of /pol/lacks being paranoid of DA JEWS
Oi vey

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>>54418483
>pol

>>54418476
Every dark eldar model.

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How does this ultramarines look?

Vanguard detatchment 1000 points

Sgt. Chronus
-Landraider Crusader + storm bolter

Terminators x5 one with assault cannon

Ven Dread
-assault cannon
-missile launcher

Ven Dread
-assault cannon
-missile launcher

Bike squad x4 with chain swords

Lgs is doing 1000 point tournaments for a few weeks before increasing points. I'm hardly waac for including a LR, as i was against a list with a knight the other day and most of my competition has been pretty fierce.

Please Advise.

>>54418454
https://exhentai.org/g/1085987/794c9e9b62/
I don't like any of those things and investigated for purely academic purposes. It's pretty horrifying.

>>54418477

>You're generating out attacks based on examples, and repeating them the number of times they could happen in a game.
No I'm not, and that's not the definition of bootstrapping anyway.

>That's bootstrapping. You're generating out statistical samples from population statistics, not doing actual sampling.
Actual sampling isn't possible without playing hundreds of different games out with many armies

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Newcomer to 40k. What's a good place to start with building a Tzeentch army? I have a few daemons from the other warhammer, but that's pretty limited.
Would admech be a better choice in terms of strength? I'm capable of painting well-ish? Dark pirate eldar are also tempting.

Basically: CONVINCE ME YOUR FACTION IS THE BEST, otherwise I Malay never choose

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whats the best 9 HeavyWeaponTeam that can shoot from the stormlord ?
Heavy bolters or Mortars ?

>>54418526
gosh darnit I dont know how to beat sadpanda

>>54418515
Because only rightwingers ever talk about datamining. That's why it wasn't a huge topic on 4chan when Hiroshimoot bought over the site, even on boards notorious for being leftwing.

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>>54418526
>investigated for purely academic purposes

I'm gonna steal this one for future use

>>54418476
You can check this poll to see the opposite
http://www.strawpoll.me/13483986

>>54417925
Well, lessons for when you make a poll

>>54418541

Mortars in reality, autocannons for awesome, heavy bolters for practicality.

>>54418472
that is a bit too little.
But I've done with well mostly S4-6, with having to run an actual full on dedicated melta-tank killer squad. A few anti-armor guns, and a half dozen D3 guns that work on elites/bikes/a whole bunch else well.

>>54418559
Did you not include Tau out of fear it would make the poll way too one-sided ? :^)

>>54418171

It's not just Carnac, Chaos has the most overall shitposters by far.

I mean Night Lords had fucking 3 of them alone.

And then there are the fucking Slaaneshfags who are the worst of all.

>>54418577
its already one sided because of cheetos csm

>>54418541
Mortars are awesome on paper, but they let me down every game. No AP hurts. Heavy Bolters are better and more consistent. Plus they hurt T8 vehicles on a 5+.

>>54418577
It'd be two sided because it'd be a competition between CSM and Tau.

>>54418534
Figure out what the fuck you actually want then come back. It's impossible for anyone other than you to dice what army you like most, the army you should play is the army you like.

Unless you're an insufferable WAACfag and you're only interested in armies based on how strong they are in game. In which case you need to play space marines and spam stormravens or something.

>>54418577
Not him but I'm kinda glad Tau weren't included because we all pretty much already agree Tau is the worst and it's interesting to see what people think if we don't let that skew our results.

Sidenote whoever is responsible for the captcha system tonight should kill themselves immediately.

>>54418527
okay, bootstrapping is generating out samples out of existing data sets.
What you're doing is worse, because you're not using a data set, you're using population statistics.

>hundreds of games.
For full reliability. But smaller samples looked at more in depth can let you check the assumptions of your generated data.

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Play any games today anons? Had a super close 1500 Pt game against Orks today. It was fun as shit too.

>>54418362
Fuck your fag army. Eldar are lame, bruh.

>got the middle tier new starter
>its a nice little box
This is so much better than the usually xbox huge box sets for each edition.

>>54418259

Hey faggot, Americans know other countries exist, how do you think we can complain about Mexicans all the time.

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>>54418132
Bullshit, no one runs vanquishers

>>54418604
Will do. Only reason I asked power wise was because I don't want to get sucked into the equivalent of the famous 7th ed nids

>>54418625
How are your tanks in this edition, how well did they hold up?

>>54418362
>objectively
No. Kill yourself. Eldar is like the meme race plebians pick for aesthetics.

>>54418626
1v1 me irl turd!

>>54418515
>implying it is.

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>>54418476
I prefer pewter army men

>>54418625
Give us the batrep son, we know you brought more pics.

Also seconding >>54418640 tell me how the Lemon Ruses did.

>>54418577

Ya, it is the meme option that if I included would defeat the point of the thread. That and they aren't a popular faction here anyway.
And bear in mind, it is the fan base here at hand, not whoever your LGS draws.

>>54418578

Oh ya, I forgot those guys. The Curzename dude never posts in these threads anymore so I forgot him.

>>54418655
NO ITEMS
FOX ONLY

>>54418638
http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ETC-2017-Complete-Team-Lists.pdf

take your pick.

don't listen to any of those "waac" spamming shitters. Pick and play a good army. Its not your fault if your opponent chooses to play a shitty army.

>>54418476
Scourges

>>54418662
Gorgeous.

>>54418679
Who are the 3 Curzefags again? I know about the "meal is for kids" guy and the one who fetishizes Konrad. What's the last one?

>>54418625
Not today, but tomorrow I'm playing my GW manager. I made a shitty list so that we could play a quick game since

>>54418662
I love your army. How did you do your hats? I have a squad of 10 I am about to paint.

>>54418618

>okay, bootstrapping is generating out samples out of existing data sets.
No, it's not.
You sample (resample) collected data, with replacement.
You don't generate anything.

>What you're doing is worse, because you're not using a data set, you're using population statistics.
First of all, you have no idea what method I'm using because I haven't even told you, so you're sounding pretty insane right now for even leveling such a specific accusation.
Second of all, no I'm not using population statistics, and i don't even understand how you think that would apply here.

>For full reliability. But smaller samples looked at more in depth can let you check the assumptions of your generated data.
No, that's fucking asinine.

Your entire post reads like an 85 iq brainlet just got hold of a wikipedia page and threw terms out to look smart.

>>54418655
I don't mean to be rude, anon. I just really hate eldar.

>>54418662
Post pics of your biceps after lugging that shit around all the time

>>54418062
Anyone?

>>54418638
Nothing is really like that at the moment. Overall functionality of armies is much more uniform at the moment. Some units in some armies are garbage, but no army is just a steaming shitheap. Additionally in this edition armies can contain units from any army list so long as all units share at least one faction keyword, meaning any Imperium faction army can contain units from any imperium army list, the same is true for chaos.

>>54418696
Who cares? I'm just glad nicedaemonette never posts here anymore.

>>54418696
The third Night Lords fag wasn't a Curzefag, he was the dubstep shitter who reposted a really obnoxious copypasta over and over about how Night Lords would totally listen to his cringey dubstep and it's their most fitting theme song. It was Adeptus Titanicus grade autism and he was completely serious.

>>54418333

Custodes with every model part swapped to have a bare chest.

>>54418720
>BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND

>>54418720
Yeah that was the "meal is for kids" fag wasn't it? The one who sperged the second anyone pointed out that Night Lords had an 80s hair metal aesthetic?

>>54418708

Check the Tau thread for actual feedback
But you should probably magnetize it anyway

>>54418704
>thinks thats heavy

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>>54418636
My local guard players run nothing but vanquishers and preds.

>>54418730
Oh yeah, that it was.

I'm assuming you mean "metal" and keep typo-ing it as meal for some reason.

>>54418491
You wouldn't have needed to do this if you didn't post the wrong Primarch like a headless chicken.

>>54418737
>thinks that wasn't a joke

Post pics of your face after having all that autism

>>54418062
Be the hobbyist Mr. Rogers knows you can be and convert it so it looks like it could be either. That's what I did and it looks bretty gud.

>>54418742
"meal is for kids" is an old /mu/ meme. Making fun of autistic faggots who sperg out everytime someone mentions even something slightly positive about metal.

>>54418741
Vanquishers are objectively worse at their job than regular russes with battlecannons.

>>54418761
Oh gotcha. I don't go to /mu/ I feel like I would just get angry like I do at /tv/. This is one of the only boards I can stomach regularly.

>>54418759
Talking about the Missile Rifle conversion or some other one?

>>54418775
I haven't browsed /mu/ in years. Last time I checked it became /r/indieheads lite which is incredibly ironic.

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>>54418625
Tell us more GGA, you're post have been a huge inspiration for me finishing my army. Almost done, just 20 more Firstborn and some HWTs
>>54418691
Thanks
>>54418697
Just working up to a clean white from a grey primer, making sure to leave some depth.

>>54418699
>resample with replacement
so you get a new sample from the old sample. That is generating a sample, from the old sample.

>no idea what method I'm using
You're mathhammering.
So your going "# of attacksX chance to hitXchance to woundX(1/chance to save)" with a damage calculation.

Those are population statistics. We know what they are because we know those numbers.

And know it's qualitiative analysis to determine accuracy in mapping prediction of high level quantitative studies. In this case, as many, the qualitiative includes a more detail quantitative element.

>>54418782
Yeah that's the one. It looks better than the hulk hands imo.

>>54418757
Post skeley arms

I used to hate the Ultramarines but now I'm building an army of Primaris Ultras.

It doesn't have anything to do with their rules, I just know GW will never neglect them compared to other armies.

The good rules are just icing on the cake.

Do you play an army now that you initially hated?

>>54418793
I'm trying to think about how I'd go about it...Possibly glue the sides of the missile arm onto the side of the railgun?

>>54418763
Most Guard players I spoke with during 7th were some of the people most dedicated to "I think it's cool and so I run it".

>>54418775
Well, that's because everyone on 4chan except (you) has terrible taste. And I'm convinced people on /mu/ don't actually listen to music, except whatever's currently playing the radio, and /tv/ don't even owns a TV, and just baneposts all day e'rryday. Just like /v/ never played a vidya.
We all know that faggots don't actually do the thing they discuss on their boards. Only at the rarest times you'll see a batrep here to actually showcase miniatures and their strengths/weaknesses, and it's always the same guys. But they often just drown under the sheer mass of shitposts and memes made by people who didn't bother reading the rulebook.

>>54418737
They are surprisingly heavy

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Do I need to pay extra points for the Spirit Stones in the Abilities section of the Hemlock? Or is it included in the base points?

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>>54417434

>>54418810
I play Tau on the side specifically to try and find a way to make them fun and not faggoty.

I have an urban combat themed list full of Breachers and Pathfinders with Drone support, very minimal suits.

>>54418810
I remember thinking Dark Eldar seemed dumb when they were first released, but they've grown on me, building a force of them now.

>>54418784
Kek
>Americuck RGG paints a giant terrain piece in secret and people tell him to fuck off
>Bingbong GGA posts one blurry overhead view of the same army he always does and has a line to suck his dick
Muh Freedum
Serves you Yanks right

>>54418789

>That is generating a sample
No, that implies you are creating new data.

>So your going "# of attacksX chance to hitXchance to woundX(1/chance to save)" with a damage calculation.
Actually that's not even what I did against hordes.
I tested it against conscripts by assuming every single attack would hit and wound, and ever single save would fail.
The knight took 6 turns to make up its points, assuming totally unmolested perfect shooting.
(That means it's pretty bad against that unit)

>Those are population statistics. We know what they are because we know those numbers.
What the fuck? Who told you that fucking nonsense?

>And know it's qualitiative analysis to determine accuracy in mapping prediction of high level quantitative studies. In this case, as many, the qualitiative includes a more detail quantitative element.

Aside from the multiple grammar and spelling errors, I can't find any actual content in these "sentences".

>>54418880

who are you quoting

>>54418062
It's two different sets of arms, just magnetize it, it won't even be hard.

>>54418848
/mu/ listens to music alright. The thing is, they listen to whatever their circlejerk tells them to listen to. The pitchfork cucks obviously listen to Pitchfork shit, the /metal/ fags always listen to obscure shitty Metal-archives metal and the /rym/ fags listen to whatever flavor of the month post-modernist marxist shit there is on RateYourMusic. And of course the rest of the board is just circlejerking over whatever TheNeedleDrop and Pitchfork gives good reviews to.

>>54418551
I was like "Gay elf porn, I can use that in my research." but then it was way too much.

>>54418880
All guardsfags are faggots.

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What dumb shit are you guys working on?

>>54417506
>>54417563
Huh. Why did I think they were doing Grey Knights second?

>>54418891
Well, that doesn't make it better.

>>54418818
I chopped off about a quarter of the front of the rail rifle. Then used the missile bits on the tip of the barrel after cleaning them up to fit better.

Guard codex when ? I can't wait for these stratagems

>>54418907
Agreed

>>54418905
This basically sums up DEldar in one sentence.

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>>54418675
In the morning my fine anons. And I went aggro with the Russes this game and it wasn't too bad.

So if Shas'ui have capt. color on the comm mic,
And Shas'vre has the capt. color on the helm

Where do commanders (Sho) and Fireblades (Schnel) put their colours? Everywhere? Shoulder?

I'm asking for a friend

>>54417791
I'd argue it kind of is, because they went full on HISTORICALS levels of granular accuracy whenever they felt like it (which was often because they were all treadheads)

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>>54418905
>Gay elf porn

The only acceptable gay elf porn is the one where the male elf looks like a female.

>>54418915
Trying to pick a chapter that gets a couple of appearances in the fluff but isn't a major player, that also has a reasonably easy paint scheme that isn't primarily black. Oh, and that has a chapter symbol I can either get transfers or custom pads for.

>>54418874
Kek

>>54418955
Red Hunters

>>54418890
It is, but the last one I magnetized has the missile arms droop down disappointingly because it's too much weight for the magnets. Only thing I can think of is gluing a small piece of plastic onto each part near the magnet connection points.

>>54418921
Mind posting it? I know I've seen one where they just chop off the front half of the rail rifle and slap on the missile pod that was cut off at the elbow.

>>54418940
Commanders go on head and Fireblades on the legplate, rifle, or Bonding Knife.

>>54418955
Celestial lions? You could use stormshat pauldrons.

>>54418307
>English
>Burger land language
>GW
>Company based in England
I'll let you put the pieces together.

>>54418955
Doom eagles

>>54418955
Omega Marines

>>54418955

Howling Griffons, maybe. Also, any Ultramarines successor like [Color] Consuls. Or maybe Hawk Lords; just get purple paint and Raven Guard transfers.

Any Chapter who uses a similar Chapter symbol to another Chapter will do, as you just borrow the transfers for them and change the colorscheme.

>>54419023
>Howling Griffons, maybe.

cruddace pls

>>54418964
They seem pretty cool, they're on the list
>>54418974
I always liked their fluff but not the color scheme
>>54419000
Already on the list, but I'm leaning towards a shooty army as opposed to an assault one, so probably not.

>>54418971
So commanders literally get no extra colour than their shitty Sergeant subordinates?
That's some communist horseshit right there

>>54418971
It's at my friends place. Our game took too long when we played the other day. We decided to leave the game on pause until he has time off.
I'm sorry, sempai.

>>54418929
new models for guard when? i just got a job where i can buy some new armys, but i really dont want cadian guys

>>54419070

Commanders get the right to have hands on their suits.

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>>54418880
As an American I could give a shit where someone is from I just like game pics. We're all wargamers here Anon.

>>54419049
Sounds like you want raptors then, my fellow.

>>54418885
>new samples
>not new data.
when what are those new samples?
>making back points
is not a sufficient analysis. Unless you're running mono-knights vs mono-conscripts, you don't need to do that.
You need the knight to be able to doing something meaningful while the conscripts are on the field.
Do the conscripts prevent the knight from contributing?

>can't find any actual content in these "sentences".
Because you have no idea how people work in fields that have limitation on their means for gathering direct sampling in controlled situations (ie very much like our situation here because we can't get people to play hundreds of battles in every pair with multiple repetitions), so need to make rely on qualitative observational samples which cannot be held to all the requirements for good statistical sampling to guarantee assumptions and future predictions.
Detailed qualitative analysis are used the check the assumptions and predictions.

If you actual use statistics in anything dealing with people, do yourself a favor a look into qualitative analysis, process tracing, and case study testing of quantitative analysis.

>>54419079
I would expect not before the codex comes out at least. As for when that codex comes out, who the fuck knows other than before the end of the year.

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>>54419070
Yeah, feels bad, but >>54419084 has a point.

>>54419075
Damn, alright. Here's the one I already built/painted almost 2 years ago. You can see how apathetic he is about his hulk hands. Even the missiles/plasma gun are magnetized.

>>54419020
Pretty good
>>54419023
White Consuls are actually the strongest contenders I've considered so far, good balance of fluff and your dudes potential. I wanted to consider Praetors of Orpheus especially as I'm going to run a pair of techmarines, but fuck that chapter symbol

>>54419086
None here are wargamers, that's /hwg/, we are just shitposters that don't even paint models.

>>54419115
>Projecting THIS hard

>>54419104
yeah its kind of a bummer, i havent played since 2000, and got into it last year, but with all the 8th rumors i waited and waited, and now that i can blow loads of cash on it, i find myself waiting again. ah well, my old as dirt dark eldar will suffice until guard codex is out

>>54419108

You could raid WHFB/AoS for transfers as well. That can give you some more to play with.

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>>54419086
That's the spirit!
Now imagine if that building your Ratlings are in had 30 wounds, 4 Heavy Bolters, D6 + D6 on hit mortal wound damage missiles and still blocked line of sight for your Basilisk.
Oh and I guess your Ratlings are still inside...
>>54419115
Then what have I been doing every night till 4AM? ;_;

>>54419115
I'd give you the hug you need if I could Anon.

>>54419106
I like your color scheme. It seems simple but it's pleasing.

>>54419162
Can you fondle my ballsack?

>>54418880
GGA is American you silly.

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>>54419140
There's a reason only the same guard pics of one guy get reposted as painted armies. That reason is shitposting which only reinforces my point.