Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>54421184
As far as I can tell they didn't even mention the Manticore once in the FAQ.

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Second for mighty Death Korps!

Regimental Doctrines when?

So I'm thinking this for a Space Marine Vanguard detachment

HQ - captain, stock
Elites - dreadnought x 3, stock

Comes out to 474pts. I'm bringing this just for funnies in a 500 game, but want to know if I can add anything to make it remotely better

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Made a nez roll table based on what a kind anon did some time ago. It's roughly logical, legion order with successors, and thematically sorta related chapters to fill in the blanks (notably with SW and Salamanders).

Get rolling lads.

>>54421204
I can't imagine it'll be too long after the chaos codex releases that we get the guard codex, hopefully it will at least be within the next two months or so.

SM: July 29th
CSM+GK: August 19th
DG: September 23rd

>>54421216
Alternatively, last two digits

>>54421216
CARCHARODONS GET

>>54421181
power klaws vs big choppas

in my mind big choppas are almost always better. am i wrong?

>>54421204
First 200 different flavours of marines dummy :DDD

>>54421216
roll

>>54421237
The context matters. Across an entire squad of nobs? Yeah you probably would choose the big choppas for their cost. Hidden inside a blob of 30 boyz? Take a can opener.

Rolled 23 (1d100)

>>54421216
Rollan for my Captain and his Tacs, lessee who's reinforcing Forge Nexus Delta.

>>54421216
gimme ultramarines

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Is there a point to Hydras and basilisk when you can take Manticores ?

Also new catachan sculpt when??

>>54421226
Where did this come from?

GK codex when?
Are new models coming?

>>54421261
I'm guessing he's one of our inside guys. The last one accurately predicted the new Start Collecting boxes and he posts in UK time, so

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I'm conflicted /tg/.
I hate marines because they steal all the resources that should be equally distributed between all the armies, so I don't buy them...
BUT buying the new Primaris would make the squatting of the old marines faster.
What shall I do?

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SM: July 29th
CSM+GK: August 19th
DG: September 23rd
T'AU+AM: October 7th
TYRANID+BA: November 11th
NECRONS+TS: December 9th

>>54421293
Primaris RavenGuard.

>>54421294
what about ORKS

WHY ARE YOU GUYS ALWAYS RAPING US

Eldar when

Whats better for a new army.
>Scion spam with Primes and a pair of each Thunderbolts and Manticores
or
>Tau Plasma Commander spam with bulk stealth suits and a squad or two of pathfinders
or
>Dual Plasma pistol vanguard spam with Jump Pack captains, and a token deployment of tacticals in razorbacks.

I just want to DS plasma and blow things out of the water.

>>54421251
but thats the thing. the power klaw hits on 4+, the big choppa on 3+ and it still does 2 wounds.

9 vs 25 pts is a huge difference too.

>>54421294
AM as in Astra Militarum or AdMech? I'm assuming Guard.

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>>54421314
>I just want to DS plasma and blow things out of the water.
pic related is the best then.
The orders are just too good.

>>54421320
guard obviously

>>54421320
it would make them out just before the Tau+IG FW books

>>54421304

Because horde is the new Meta and you must wait for your cheese to mature.

>>54421345
kek

>>54421314
>>Scion spam with Primes and a pair of each Thunderbolts and Manticores

Solid

>Tau Plasma Commander spam with bulk stealth suits and a squad or two of pathfinders

Don't fall for the meme

>Dual Plasma pistol vanguard spam with Jump Pack captains, and a token deployment of tacticals in razorbacks.

Maybe the least effective but sounds fun as hell to play

>>54421317
My take on it is that since boyz can kill anything now with the new wounding rules they are going to end up in combat against walkers and monsters more often and I like having that klaw there for some harder AP. The price difference is massive though, big selling point for the BC.
>>54421304
Orkz got the very first codex of 7th and look how that worked for us breh. I'm happy to have a late release this time.

>>54421237

Powa stabbas, Killsaws on boss nobz

>>54421314
first is the best because vultures and taurox take care of hordes and manticore take care of tabks

>>54421212
>Vanguard detachment

Don't you need at least 1 troop?

>>54421362
nope

>>54421362
No. That's the entire point of non-battalion/brigade detachments

>>54421294
gooby pls new modl when

>>54421294
>T'AU+AM: October 7th
just before the FW book would be perfect timing

>>54421216
I'll give it a go.

>>54421293

Same shit, different minis.

>>54421212
I guess with the 25 points you have to spare, give the Captain a jump pack and a plasma pistol.

>>54421336
>>54421389
What's this Tau + IG FW book? I can't find any mention of it even on rumor sites.

>>54421425
IA 14.
bu AM he prob meant AdMech

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After a numbe of trial games and such we're finally restarting our campaign at the flgs, so I'm trying to come up with stats for my Chapter Master. Opinions, recommendations, anything?

Aureliano Alatriste, Chapter Master of the Brazen Gryphons

Move 5"
WS 2+
BS 2+
S 4
T 4
W8
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2+

>Weapons
- Excellion, Warmth of Sunlight (Melee S+2 AP-3 Dd3)
- Sundering Hand (Melee Sx2 AP-4 D2 Subtract -1 from hit rolls with this weapon)

>Mount
- Thunderhammers (Melee Sx2 AP-3 D3 After this model has made its close combat attacks it can attack with this weapon. Make four additional attacks, but subtract -2 from hit rolls with this weapon)

>Special Rules
And They Shall Know No Fear, Chapter Tactics (Iron Hands), Chapter Master, Teleport Deep Strike

- Bastion Desafiante: The palaquin the chapter master rides on is equipped with a number of ancient protective devices. Aureliano Alatriste may reroll failed saves and The Flesh is Weak tests.

- Iron Halo: This model has a 4+ invulnerable save.

>>54421425
there's been rumours of a tau vs Ad mech book.

>>54421425
Fires of Cyraxus is not a secret and should have been released last year

>>54421437
I was going to be a little miffed if there was a Tau vs Guard book before Fires of Cyraxus.

>>54421442
I was confused because the first guy said Tau+IG

>>54421450
That's Tau vs AdMech though so I was confused by >>54421336

>>54421425
Its Pacific Rim : GW.
Basically Admech robots vs Tau SUITS

>>54421415

Or a storm bolter and relic blade to provide a couple more shot and countercharge anything closing on your dreads.

>>54421441
what did that terminator do to deserve special treatment

Somebody posted a "classic" theme space marine army from old editions, and gave me the idea to make a chaos army like this with the typical units in pictures from old rogue trader games. But I'm new and don't know what is good. Would this be a good army around 1500 points?

chaos lord with a jump pack and some good close combat weapons like a power fist or something

20 cultists with rifles
10 marines with 2 special weapons and a rhino. champion with a power sword and maybe plasma pistol, in a rhino
10 marines basically the same as ^ but with different loadouts, in a rhino

a helbrute with a lascannon arm and hammer or missile launcher

10 raptors with two flamers or meltaguns, power weapon champion

vindicator

This is a bit less than 1500 from what I can tell from the chaos index so I have points to work with on the gear.

>>54421482
oh I forgot, also 10 havocs, with 4 lascannons or maybe missile launchers?

>>54421459
That would be Titanicus Vs Tyranids. This is Mobile Knight Cerastus

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>>54421481
He was cursed with lethargy by a Slaaneshi sorcerer, but his marines love him so much that they resolved to bring him to the battles if he can't do so himself.
He looked like this before the curse became worse (and a chaos dread nearly killed him).

>>54421216
Roll

>>54421441
I want to see him and a Chaos Lord on a Palanquin of Nurgle have a sloth off

>>54421441
>>54421481
>>54421504

Thats pretty awesome, good job anon

>>54421501
>He doesn't know about Rogue Jaeger of PR:2

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>>54421149
>>54421327
"Primaris It"
I assumed you meant to give the Captain Gravis, not a Primaris Lieutenant kek

That's 907 pts tho; could do that for future Apoc games but I think I'll stick to two lascannon mortii and a Manticore Battery for now

>>54421481
Won the annual Segmentium Solar Air Guitar Championship, praise be to the Emperor!

>>54421482
2x plasma guns and power sword+plasma pistol on both tacs, flamers on raptor and lascannons on havocs.

>>54421482
>Get a scan of a white dwarf <#200
>Find chaos battle report
>use that army list

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>>54421216
>MFW no Angry Marines
What a lost opportunity anon

>>54421524
i think he meant just use the inceptor quadhellblasterdeepstrike insteas of strenguards

>>54421216
>Emperor's Shadows
Not canon, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54421314
I ran the numbers and if you spam scions command squads with 4x plasma youll be doing between 5.1 and 3.4 wounds (GEQ->TEQ) on the turn you come down. Compared to the Plasma vets who do 6.4->3.4.

The Tau Commander comes off the worst with 4.1 to 1.6

Im not sure how the Scions ended up as good as the vets against TEQs both having 3.4 though, as they have 4 less shots and both of them hit on 3+ and reroll 1s.

So my math maybe off abit.

>>54421216
Cmon Minotaurs

>>54421441

Move 4"
WS 2+
BS 2+
S 4
T 5
W 14
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2+

>Weapons
- Excellion, Warmth of Sunlight (Melee S+2 AP-3 Dd3)
- Sundering Hand (Melee Sx2 AP-4 D2 Subtract -1 from hit rolls with this weapon)
- Thunderhammers (Melee Sx2 AP-3 D3 After this model has made its close combat attacks it can attack with this weapon. Make four additional attacks, but subtract -2 from hit rolls with this weapon)

>Special Rules
And They Shall Know No Fear, Chapter Tactics (Iron Hands), Chapter Master, Teleport Strike

- Ponderous: Subtract 1 from all charge and advance rolls made by this model.

- Bastion Defiant: All Brazen Gryphon units within 6" can reroll The Flesh is Weak tests.

- Iron Halo: This model has a 4+ invulnerable save.

- Palanquin: This model loses 1 thunderhammer attack for every 2 missing wounds. If this model is missing 8 or more wounds it loses the Ponderous and Bastion defiant special rules but his Move characteristic increases by 1".

Is a Kytan big enough to be a reasonable counts as Renegade Knight?

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>>54421216

rolling to find a chapter to paint the primaris

>>54421544
Nah, we were discussing anti-armour and anti-air
Plus, Lias can't infiltrate Primaris thus counteracting the whole deal

>>54421572
Crimson Fists going by those boxes

>>54421533
I decided to do only official chapters. That, and the Angry Marines are an outdated meme now after all.

>>54421557
you sure you accounted orders for scions ?

Starting a IG army here, is 3 or so valkyries with scions in them at all viable? Still planning how I will form and I like the idea of filling up the sky with drop troopers, also I am torn between 2 super heavy tanks should I form over the money for a Baneblade or a Stormlord?

>>54421571
Its a bit big for that.

>>54421615
Don't know about the valkyries but you could just by a Baneblade and count it as the other variants.

Most people aren't spergy enough to make a big deal out of it.

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Xth for these fuckers need to come out already

>>54421615

Stormlord is great, moreso if filles up with HWTs

Valks with scions look good, but it has to be said that taurox primes are one of the best transports in the game.

Consider Elysians for cheaper (point-wise) drop troopers. I love their sniper teams in particular.

Does anyone have the new primaris pictures? Also do we have any idea on when we will get a multipart intercessors kit?

>>54421258
Hydras are great to counter Flyer spam. Basilisks are cheaper if you need the points. They also fire all game.

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>1750pts

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>>54421645
You mean this one?

>>54421594
Thats how they get the reroll 1 to hit.

my numbers and assumptions were:

4 Plasma guns, rapid fire range, Take aim!
Which amounted to.
>8 Shots
>hitting on 3+ (5.3) reroll 1's (6.2)
>wounding all (GEQ/MEQ/TEQ) on 2+ as Str8 is double T4 = 5.16
>TEQ reduces to 3.5
>MEQ reduces to 4.3
>GEQ doesn't get save and takes full 5.16

Compared to 12 Plasma pistols, and Captain for reroll 1s to hit.
>12 shots on 3+, reroll 1s = 9.3
>9.3 hits becomes 7.7 wounds
>TEQ = 5.18
>MEQ = 6.4
>GEQ = 9.3

Well look at that, I got different results. I knew I fucked something up the first time.

>>54421615
why take valkyries if you got an inbuilt option (that you pay for) for deepstriking ?

>>54421657
Paint so thick your guys have a 2+ save

>>54421639
Which HWT inside a stormlord ?

>>54421663

TEQ wounds whould be doubled if you are overcharging.

>>54421645
this are the new sets, want pics?

>>54421572

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>>54421300

Oi yes....

>>54421657
What is the central model. Looks like a badass unit

>>54421573
>Plus, Lias can't infiltrate Primaris thus counteracting the whole deal
Who cares, once the Codex is out Raven Guard Stratagem can infiltrate Primaris.

>>54421673
Kek

Why are manlet dreads so inferior?

Those guys who've been building 10 dreadnought armies are going to have to sell them now to afford their 10 Chad dreads.

>>54421682
I should have added that in brackets I guess, I left it out to keep it consistent, as some units dont fit the sterotypes such as nobs who have less saves but more wounds.

>>54421705
Even in death they will never learn

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>>54421691
scratchbuilt traitor knight.

>>54421678

Any, they are all good.

Personal preference is a mix of Lascannons, Autocannons and Heavy bolters (you can fit 6, 6 and 6, all shooting from the stormlord).

>>54421657
Is that 7 DPs and a knight with 2 gat cannons?

>>54421726

Looks more Ork than chaos

>>54421728
Yes.
One prince is Astartes so has warptime.

>>54421726
I meant the one in front of it. The guy with the hammer

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How are these guys as a shooty HQ?

Combi-Plasma, Plasma Cutter and a Flamer seem like they put out a lot of shots for one unit, maybe run it with Ultramarine Chapter Tactics to step back and unleash point blank?

>>54421727
>(you can fit 6, 6 and 6, all shooting from the stormlord).
how does that work ? arent each Hwt 2 models ?

>>54421705

I actually can't think of a single tactical use in my Dread army for the Redemptor stats we've seen so far: It mostly does anti-horde work, but most anti-horde options dreads carry are at the lower end of the price range. Redemptors are going to be pricier, and thus more inefficient.

I'd happily take it's top mount anti-air autocannon to stick on a better chassis though.

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>>54421742
Iron Circle Domitar.
Mediocre 30k unit, perfect base for iron warriors daemon prince conversions.

>>54421761

For transport capacity yes, but the fire point rule does not count "double models"

>>54421216
Rollin'

>>54421744
Purely in shooty terms? Actually very solid, but the lack of wounds makes them a poor primary HQ to get close to enemies

>>54421777
>777
T-Thanks s-sensei sama

>>54421777
Are you telling me I played it wrong and couldve shot 54 HB shots turn in any direction out of my Stormlord instead of 27 ?

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>>54421216
Rolling for something cause I'm indecisive.

Is there anything stopping me using my Skystrike missiles more than once? Also can someone point to me where it says you cant only cast multiple psychic powers that arent Smite each turn?

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>>54421790
One of us, one of us.

I need help with a Ravenguard list now that their tactics were spoiled. 1500 points, so far I've got:

Battalion
Kaayvan -150
Four 5 man Tactical Squads
*Two Lascannons and Two Missile Launchers for 360
5 TH/SS Terminators for 255
A Stormraven with the twin AssCan, two huricanes, typhoon and stormstrikes for 315
And 5 Sternguard with combi-plasmas for 155

I'm conflicted, the list had a GW contemptor with the AssCan for another 165 to ride in the Stormraven but now with the deepstrike strategem, I'm wondering if adding another 5 Sternguard to the squad and dropping them where I please might be stronger.

Don't mind me. Rolling for which Traitor Legion I start with:

1: Black Legion
2: Night Lords
3: Dark Angels
4: Iron Warriors
5: Word Bearers
6: Emperors Children
7: Death Guard
8: World Eaters
9: Thousand Sons
0: Alpha Legion

>>54421840
A lot of missiles that used to be limited uses had this limitation removed. If it doesn't say 'one use only' in the profile, it's unlimited.

>>54421840
See the Psychic Focus rule in Matched Play Mission Rules, page 215

>want to start collecting again after a long break

>8e
>fluff spiralled away from last time I was heavily involved (5-6e)
>rules apparently changed drastically
>continuing price increases

I-is it time to come back guys, or do I let my love for this game finally die?
I want to get into a small force of daemons, ideally forming a pleasure horde, but don't want to waste time if they are hot garbage in the meta and/or the game is in as much of a tailspin as shitposters would have me believe.
What are your thoughts bros?

>>54421890
>>54421878
Thankyou kindly.

>>54421894
It's a good time to bury it. This is not the game you were interested in, neither mechanically nor lore-wise.

>>54421798
Yeah, I can imagine. I guess putting one on a bike would help a bit, but I quite like the standard model.

>>54421528
that's what I'm leaning toward modelwise anyway, so I'm glad it's a good loadout

>>54421532
well the point was to try and make it somewhat work so that I don't lose all the time. and I was more trying to use specifically the units from old loyalist space marines, to have a more classic marine unit looking army even though it's chaos. by using tacticals, devastators, and assault marine analogous units, etc.

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>>54421777
Really ?
So for 808 points you could get :
All at BS 4+

84 S5 Ap-1 D1
20 S6 Ap-2 D2
9 S4 Ap0 D1
4 S9 Ap-3 D6

shots a turn on a titanic mobile platform ?

>>54421894
I used to collect in 4th and have come back for 8th. Seems pretty good.

>>54421894
So far 8th has been pretty damn good. New fluff is so-so, but the rules actually fucking work without a arguement every 5 minutes

>>54421894
For what its worth, I jumped ship back in 3rd ed and came back for this, no regrets so far.

Remember never to take /tg/ too seriously, its the people you'll actually play with in real life that will determine whether you're going to have fun or not for the most part. If 8th turns out to be hot garbage, but you have a great time on it with your mates, what have you lost?

>>54421914
Unfortunately it's not immune to the -1 to hit when it moves and fires heavy weapons. Still lots of Dakka.

>>54421658
Thank you. That's the one

Anyone here own a Deredere Dreadnought? How easy is it to swap out the weapons? Is the missile launcher easy to remove and put back? What's the best weapon to put on it?

>>54421216
roll

>>54421948
M A G N E T I Z E

How do I fit a Contemptor Mortis Dread with lascannons? MKIV and MKV arms?

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>>54421514
Nurgle's old shit, dices are the new fad

So I'm getting back into 40k with this new edition, and I'm grabbing Ad Mech since they seem pretty differnt and unique compared to my previous collection of Orks and Chaos.

On that I'm trying to write a 1000point list for a tournament I'm attending in September, I don't have any collection right now so I can start anywhere, the tournament uses a comp system to give each army a handicap score so I'm walking a fine line of effectiveness vs powergaming, but also 1000 pts is nothing and you hardly get any toys.

What do I even take? Do I leave the troops at home and take the heavy force org for robots and crawlers or try find a list that runs a bit of everything? HALP!

>>54421894
Give the new rules a read before you make a decision. Different doesn't always mean worse (though it doesn't mean better either).

Meta-wise slaanesh daemons aren't terrible, the chariots and cavalry are pretty great, daemonettes and keepers of secrets are just okay.

>>54421917
Play during 3rd
My army plays almost the same, but less fun.
Model wise, nothing has change except our special character is just a waacfag unit that every Imperial take for some reasom

>>54421952
...that doesn't really answer my question.

>>54421974
Robots with accompanying datasmith, crawlers with neutrons, and a couple of skitarii for screens is the meta. Also Cawl but I'm not sure how much you'll fit into 1,000.

>>54421981
Magnets make all gear swaps easy thou anon. As for best loadout, fuck if i know. Still waiting on chinaman

Rolled 79 (1d100)

>>54421216
rollan

>>54421482
A "classic" chaos army shouldn't contain cultists at all.

It should pretty much just be the basic marine units. Marines, terminators, bikers, dreadnoughts, sorcerers, chaos lords, rhinos, predators land raiders, the 4 god specific troop types and then pretty much any daemons you'd care to name.

No cultists, no raptors, no havocs.

If you want to get real crazy then you'd want to look at what epic units chaos had. Magnus is in for sure, so would the lord of skulls, blood slaughterer and brass scorpion and you could probably justify helldrakes.

>>54421948

The objectively best loadout for the Deredeo is autocannon, missiles, heavy bolters. As in, none of the swap out options even compete.

That said, the missile launcher lifts in and out without need for glue.

>>54421216
FISTS
OR
FIST SUCCERSSORS
GO

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Is anyone planning to get in on this?

Rolled 39 (1d100)

>>54421216
roll

>>54422007
I said fist not fister
fug

>>54421991
I know, I just want to know how easy it is without having to use magnets. Like the bog standard Castaferrum dreadnought is bitch easy to swap weapons out with.
>>54422002
I was thinking that the Hellfire Carronade was quite cool with the number of shots and high damage, is the autocannon better?
Also glad to hear that it's easy to swap the missile launcher out. That's useful if I don't have enough points to take it in some games.

>>54421775
>daemon prince conversions
too bad there was no converting done to >>54421657

>>54422009
I'm already starting an Iron Warriors army purely to kill imperial players

>>54422009
Willing in principle but my local GW shop is hella far

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>>54422009
I would but closest game's workshop store in quite away...
H-hydra d-dominatus....

>>54421999
>epic
Don't forget to mix thousand sons and world eaters in the same army led by daemon priamrchs!

>>54421914

Yep.

Add 4 random models (accolytes? understrenght conscripts?) to soak up wounds when the stormlord goes boom

>>54422026
You can do it at any participating flgs, it doesn't have to be a GW store.

>>54422017
I kind of want to slap a necrosphinx head and wings on it now though

>>54421841
fat

>>54421216
Rollin for dat 32

>>54422026
Can't you just cross the border!?

>>54422009

I'll be bringing my IG lads, but I want to go renegade purely to knock some primaris heads together.

>>54422037
or dunecrawler legs and a fat jetpack

>>54422026
My closest one is in Miami, need to cross the Andes Mountain and the Amazon to even get there.

Yours is close. Especially if you can get there in one tank.

>>54422043
>knock some primaris heads together

autocannon HWTs are your friends

>>54422016
As far as i can tell, it has contemptor style arms, so a few 1/8 magnets in the arms will probably do it for the dorito

>Love Warhammer
>love Sci-fi
>Want to get into 40k
>hate space marines
>20 flavors of those in 40k
>like 9 other races
What do guys, how do i enjoy

>>54422054
You become an NPC for the rest of us to shit on.

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I have a Valkyrie, a squad of Kasrkins and a squad of old Stormtroopers. I'm thinking about getting the Scions starter box to make it a little army on its own.

How do I explain fluff-wise all the armour variations?

>>54422024
>>54422026
You think they'd have some provision in place for people who live miles out. I'm guessing they want to stop dodgy internet results spoiling everything, but surely allowing people to phone in would be okay?

>>54422019
>>54422043
I'm playing Imperials myself, but hopefully Chaos will be out in force. A result of "status quo preserved" isn't very exciting, especially in this era of New 40k.

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>>54422026
Faggot

>>54422054
>40k
>sci fi
Play infinity.

No idea why we have so many marines. People just play their [colour marine] with the [broken rules of the month] anyway.

>>54422061

Slap an inquisitor HQ
He picked up elite troops where he had the chance to.

>>54422043
I'm bringing my harlies just to fuck up which ever side is winning, eldar fuckery and all that

>>54422009
Going to give it a shot, hope its a good way to get back into this hobby.

>>54422060
but that sounds shit
>>54422065
i like 40k theme and lore though, Infinity doesn't really convince me

>>54422072
It is shit. Get good or get out.

>>54422054
Pick one of the 9 other races, obviously. Do none of them appeal to you?

>>54422054
Guard
AdMech
Imperial Knights
4 flavors of Eldar
Necrons
Tau
Nids and/or GSC
Orks
Daemons

Granted shit like daemons and nids probably don't really do much for your sci-fi kicks but you've got plenty of options.

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Are Deff Dreads really worth anything in the Ork army?

I got the start collecting Orks set not too long ago and started playing a few games at my local gw. No matter what I do it always seems like it's getting destroyed on the first turn. It only seems to kill stuff when it blows up.
Also any advice on my 1000 points army please? Doing the Batttalion detachment.

HQ:
Warboss 1x
Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs
84pts 4PL
Boss Snikrot 1x
Mork's Teeth, Stikkbomb
69pts 4PL

Subtotal: 153pts 8PL

Elites:
Painboy 1x
'Urty Syringe, Power Klaw, Killsaw

93pts 4PL
Nobz 5x
Boss Nob 1x
Slugga, Power Klaw, Stikkbomb 42pts
Nob 2x
Big Choppa, Stikkbomb 52pts
Nob 2x
Slugga, Choppa, Stikkbomb 34pts

128pts 11PL

Runtherd 1x
Grot-Pod, Stikkbomb, Squig Hound
26pts 1PL

Subtotal: 258pts 26PL

Heavy Support:

Deff Dreads 1x
4 Dread Klaws
134pts 8PL

Subtotal: 134pts 8Pl

Troops:
Gretchin 30x
Grot Blasta
90pts 4PL
Boyz 20x
Boss Nob
slugga, Power Klaw, Stikkbomb 42pts
Boyz 18x
slugga, choppa, stikkbomb 108pts
Boyz 1x
Big shoota, stikkbomb 12pts
Boyz 1x
Rokkit Launcher, stikkbomb 18pts
180pts 9PL
Boyz 12x
Boss Nob
slugga, Power Klaw, Stikkbomb 42pts
Boyz 11x
slugga, choppa, Stikkbomb 66pts
108pts 5PL

Subtotal: 378pts 18PL

Transport:

Trukk 1x
Big Shoota, Wrecking Ball 85pts 5PL

Subtotal: 85pts 5PL

>>54422062
>buying models from GW(tm) stores scores points
>releasing the new Primaris Marine(tm) kits during the main campaign month
>one week you literally gain double points for including Space Marines in your army
>overwhelming majority of 40k players are Space Marines or Imperial players
>Most Xenos players play 'order' races (Eldar, Tau, Necrons) and will probably score point for the Imperium

Gee I wonder who'll win this one.

>>54421986

Neutrons that good huh? I guess with flyers not being complete dicks to hit the icarus array has kind of died off.

I was planning to run something like this.

Dominus

5 Vangaurd with 2 Plasma
5 Rangers with 2 Snipers
3 Destroyers with Grav and Phosphor

1 Data Smith

1 Dragoon

1 Dunecrawler with undecided weapon.

2 Robots with Phosphor.

But it feels so light on bodies that it'd easily give up First Blood just by concentrating a bit of firepower on any one unit. But the battleshock makes me second guess taking big units of skitarii.

>>54422081
>nids
>demons
>not sci fi
What?
Alien bug horde is a thing in sci fi.
Eldritch horrors from another dimension, not that common but it is a thing.

>>54422084
>t. chaosfag blues

>>54421705
You get more for points

Why do kids just look at stats as if points cost doesn't matter
>oh right, power kids

>>54422061
I remember that white dwarf !

>>54422063
>>54422041
Wouldn't I need to know German for that?
>>54422054
Senpai, what the fuck. Just pick some xenos if you want or join chaos.

>>54422070

It'd be fun to play Xenos and backstab either faction at your flgs.

>>54422084
Hey, maybe the new Death Guard stuff will be released mid-campaign.

>>54422016

Oh, you're using the evil version? It has slightly different weapons.

Anyhow, the Butcher Cannon has a higher range and rate of fire, so with a good vantage point you can sit and shoot at BS2+ all game long with good flexibility against a pretty wide range of targets.

The ectoplasma gets less shots, requires you to move and has a chance of chewing you apart... But hey, extra rend and damage. If you want to lean that way I won't stop you.

>>54422054

play eldar, faceroll marines all day the second your codex comes out and you become broken as shit.

>or

play tyranids, even if you lose you win becasuse everything in your army that isn't a hive tyrant is completely expendable but your opponents space marines are each 100 year old irreplaceable warriors

How do I Manticore Battery? Kitbash a Manticore with a Tarantula?

>>54422075
Space Marines are faggotry, GW needs to git original

>>54422085
As much as I love my dragoons they're meh solo, they shine when they pile on wounds. Destroyers are overcosted for what they do.

Icarus Arrays are really good and see usage but people only seem to take one or so in 2k point armies, Neutrons are the king atm.

Your list would be fine for casual play but unfortunately the comp meta for admech is limited to the units I mentioned and maybe electropriests atm.

>>54422095
He is right though, relasing chapter rules and all the new SM stuff during such time is biased as fuck. I don't agree about order xenos though.

>>54422096

>B-b-but my knight is super awesome! Look at it!

>Knight gets blown off the table before he had a chance to act by melta sisters

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54422107
No I'm using the good guy tax version. I was wondering if the Hellfire plasma carronade was better than the Anvillus autocannon battery.

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As a Chapter that lives by the Codex and says they're better at it than the Ultramarines, yet also idolise their Primarch Dorn, what chapter tactics do you think the Hammers of Dorn would use?

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>>54421216
rolling

>>54422101
You speak a perfect english, youbwikk be good.
2h is nothing. go on the morning, have a day full of games and leave berlin at 8pm

>>54422111
Said the NPC fag who doesn't even have an army lol

Also space marines are original as fuck. Shit like Starcraft and what not basically ripped them off. Remembed, 40k is 30 years old and the first space marine is older than that.

>>54421216
Whammu

>>54422122
Are you retarded?

>>54422099
It's in the 3rd Ed DH codex too.

>>54422095
I play Imperial Guard,

I just wish it felt like there was any 'suspense' or competition to this campaign. I know taking things like this 'serious' is a bit autistic even by wargaming standards, but knowing that my side is going to win no matter what just makes it a big fat "meh".

>>54422083
Honestly you could use another transport or two. The entire army looks like it suffers from lack of mobility, so maybe drop Snikrot for a Weirdboy with whatever the teleport power is called to get the nobz or boyz into charge range.

>>54421712
Kek

>>54422122
The IF ones. Even more so sonce the Hammers are meant to put an emphasis on slow moving firepower.

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>>54422122

Ultra fists?

Imperial Marines?

Run the heavy weapons with IF tactics and the close range ones in another detachment with ultrasmurf tactics?

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>>54422124
If english is enough then I shall score some points for my chaos bros soon.

>>54422135
shut up, i have old Vampire Counts army!
It s-stil c-counts!!

>>54422067
I would get an inquisitor if they actually had options for different armour.

I miss when I could take a psycannon and artificer armour. I'd really love to use a psilencer just because they look cool.

>>54422114

cheers for the feedback, is 3 units of skitarii overkill? I'm thinking 2 vanguard with plasma in 1 and arc in the other as well as 10 rangers with 3 snipers. That's little under 500 which leaves room for for robots with a datasmith, a neutron crawler and the dominus.

does that list have enough anti tank/elite infantry? I know anything can hurt anything now but it seems having some more focused big guns would be useful, drop 1 squad for another crawler maybe?

>>54422159
S Q U A T T E D

>>54422135
>GW invented super soldiers
>GW invented knights
>GW wrote Starship Troopers

SMfags everybody.

>>54421974
2x2/2x3 Robots, crawlers with lazor or Icarus Arrays, min rangers with sniper rifles, vanguards as screen. Cawl is fantastic though might not fit in. 2x5 Fulgurites if you want to charge something so hard it will die to death.

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>>54422079
Maybe Tyranids or Chaos stuff...
Chaos is still mostly just Space Marines with horns and skulls though, same for vehicles, instead of looking like pic related...
So i don't really know bro

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>>54421216
>>54422123
Fuck yiffs.
Rerolling.

>>54422149
Yeah, their specific battle style probably makes the IF tactics more fluffy.
>>54422156
I would feel dirty doing that.

>>54422105
Yeah, I was gonna fight for the Imperium because harlies are basically eldar daemonhunters, but I also dont want the imperium to win so...

>>54421216
Gimme 50

>>54422175
Starship Troopers are nothing like Space Marines. Good bait either way NPC fag.
Also
>if you base your work off something existing you're unoriginal whether or not you radically change it

>>54422181

haha fulgurites seem dope, do you just sue the vanguard to screen them on the approach?

>>54422175
its literraly true tho

>>54422168
Honestly either would probably work. 3 Skitarii squads gives you plenty of screen bodies but two neutrons will rightly fuck any hard target.

>>54422159
>Vampire counts
>It's still counts
>Counts
Oh you, anon

>>54422189
Roll again, I want to see how many gifs like that you have

>>54422186
You could certainly convert a lot of vehicles to be more outlandish, though that might be a lot of work for a first army.

Tyranids are a perfectly alien sci fi choice though, or if you still like Chaos you could just run demons and/mutants like the beastmen types.
.

>>54421841
god that helmet looks like shit

>>54422045
oh damn that sounds awesome.
I want to start an iron warriors army just for that.

Storm talon engines for the jetpack?

>>54422121

>Hellfire

You can see why I might have been confused.

>>54422186
chaos can be done without any actual marines.

>>54422222
Yeah, fucking weird naming choice for a loyalist weapon isn't it? Either way it seems rather cool, a 5 shot plasma gun on permanent overcharge with D of 3. Not sure how it compares to the Autocannon though.

company commander x2
Lord Commisar
50 Conscripts x4
Hydra x4
HWT Heavy Bolter x18 (in StormLord)
Stormlord /2 sponson and Heavy stubber

2k

What would be the penalty for slapping an SoB on the bum?

Anyone else surprised by how small the Dark Eldar models are? And they're newer sculps too.

Must be a nightmare to paint.

>>54422230
sure, if i go full Chaos Daemons

>>54422239

drop lord commissar, replace with 2x commissars
Add 1x priest if you can spare the points

Also going straken (with commissar isntead of a commander) + harker (with hydras) is an interesting option.

>>54422240
Strapped to a penitent engine

>>54421841
You know the funny thing?
im a Mantis Warriors player

>>54422254
...Is that a euphemism for sexual?

>>54422263
Slaanesh go home

>>54422210
How does Chaos even work without Marines though, let's say pure demons and mechs?

And yeah i consider nids

>>54422009

Yeah I'm looking forward to it! I'm letting a friend of mine us my Ork army so he can join in also, I'll be running Death Guard.

>>54422198
I thought that was the idea, but over time I've started using them as a reserve/deep strike counter. They stand a decent chance of living with their invulnerable saves and much larger targets with much larger guns being around, but they eat flanking forces and deep strikers. I have 1x10 in my 1500 list, and I'm going to buy two more boxes for 2k.

>>54422251
>>54422251
Priest and Straken buffs are +1 attack to models within 6 inches not units so they won't buff many things.

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I wasn't around during 7th edition, why was assault shit then?

>>54422186
Oh man you will love converting

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>>54422214
Hey don't be mean to mk5. I hope it's the next plastic HH box we get.

>>54422256
Your recruits are very well integrated into the Chapter I assure you.

>>54422273
>let's say pure demons and mechs?
Pretty much. I havent looked into Chaos this edition yet myself, but it should be perfectly doable to run daemons and daemon engines as a force. Whether its tactically sound I have no idea. You could also mix cultists and renegades into the army as well if you wanted to branch out but not add Marines.

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>>54422210
Sorry I'm out.
Have this instead.

>>54422143
I've been planning on getting another Trukk. Just haven't had the time to yet.

Thanks for the advice though

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>>54422239
post yfw you never taught about putting Harker in the middle of hydras

>>54422273
Cultists, chaos IG out the ASSSSSSSSS

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>>54422232

So the thread can see what we're talking about:

The lascannon is right out. Garbage on this platform, would need four shots to consider.

The autocannon is pretty self explanatory: Four Autocannons with +1 strength so they do more damage to toughness 4, 7 and 8.

Plasma is two and a half plasma cannons with +1 strength but can't turn off overcharge. With a 24 inch range, it may need to move and shoot which would double it's overheating risk.

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>assaults happen twice per turn
wait what?

>moving
>shooting
>assault
>rolling combat
>enemy turn
>repeat

it happens as many times as shooting, does it not?

Why Chaos has no start collecting Slaanesh army?
wtf

>>54422310
>it may need to move and shoot which would double it's overheating risk
care to explain ?

>>54422288
will i? i am total faggot in modelling that doesn't require simple put together and paint

>>54422323
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Daemons-of-Slaanesh

>>54422321
Well you fight both on your turn and their turn so it happens twice per turn for each person.

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>>54422297
I'll take it.

>>54422244
there's cultists and tonks as well.

>>54422321
You cant shoot in your enemies turn, but you can melee.

Game turn is my turn + your turn.

>>54422321

I mean, under -ideal- circumstances a melee unit fights in both your turn and the enemy turn, then is free to charge again.

Still bullshit that we don't have automatic +1 attack for charging or two weapons anymore though.

>>54422239
Hydras are shit, just shoot with lascannon HWTs from the storm lord

>>54422198
Pretty much, although I use a minimum squad of unupgraded Vanguard to run with the Electros and charge in first, which both tanks overwatch and debuffs enemy T to the point I wound T3 on 2+ or T5 on 2+. Fun fact, that means they'll kill statistically 1 Guardsman per hit scored, and against vehicles and elites they're pure rape. I really want to get a full block of 20 and smash assault armies to bits on the countercharge. Probably hilarious overkill, but fun.

>>54422321

You can only shoot on YOUR turn, whereas you fight in your turn then again when the enemy turn rolling combat happens. Disregards that melee relies on your opponent getting at least one chance to take chunks out of you before then, but it's not wrong.

>>54422054
Go for tyranids ... paint them a simple grey/black evil xenomorph-ish scheme. You'll be playing quickly and have some of the most interesting and non-marine kits at your disposal, and be very competitive too.

Explosing grubs or tiny beetles that bore in to the nervous system of your enemies is far cooler than bullets and flashlights.

>>54422310
The plasma does sound quite appealing for terminator killing and anti-air. But the autocannon's 8 shots give it a huge advantage. Quite a tough decision between the two.
>>54422331
Overheats on a 1, heavy weapon so -1 when rolling to hif. So you overheat on a 1 and a 2.

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>>54422272
I can't, Ynnead stole my house key and won't give it back. Now all the other chaos gods are laughing as she tosses all my stuff.

>>54422019
You mean their army, right anon?

>>54421181
So how would you feel about 4 core books to cover all or most codecs?

one for space marines and chaos space marines
one for guard, sisters, and adeptus
one for orks, tau, and tyranids
one for eldar, dark eldar, and necrons?

>>54422331

Heavy weapon, it suffers a -1 penalty to hit if it moves, so 2s count as 1s.

With a 24 inch range, it can't guarantee always being in range.

>>54422278

>all models IN <Keyword> UNITS WITHIN 6"

the unit has to be in range, not the model.

>>54422372
huehuehue

>>54422382
The indices are already barebones as fuck. Don't condense it even more.

>>54422339
>>54422350
>>54422360
>>54422367
ah shit, I though you only fought on your turn, if you ate a charge you wouldn't retialiate until it was your turn

then another question, with the new rules now the unit that charges attacks first
does this happen also in the turn of the person who was charged?

>tiranid turn
>Carnifex charge marine
>Carnifex resolve attacks, then marine
>marines turn
who would go first, marine or carnifex?

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>>54422380
No.

>>54422332
Me too, yet I converted guillyman into a chaos lord+

>>54422404
No it's units that charged that turn.

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>>54422372

>Slaneshi knight
>No giant strap-on gun

>>54422407
> that edge

>>54422334
not sure how i missed this

>>54422403
does the hivemind ever have anything positive to say?

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>>54422416
>who would go first?
>no

>>54422372
Slaanesh, I hate to break it to you but Ynnead is an elf(male). I know you probably think that makes it hotter, though, so no loss. Just go, crack open a craftworld with the gals, and wait it out.

Fucking tools, why are marine players so annoying and insecure?
They are like that kid back at school who would not shut up about DBZ and power levels.

>>54422414
u 2 pro 4 me anon

>>54422404

>Step 1
All high-priority units fight (units that charged or that have an "always first" special rule), alternating between players, starting with the active player.

>Step 2
All other units fight, alternating between players, starting with the active player.

>>54422427
Do you have any ideas that aren't terrible?

>>54422442
so the carnifex would go first in my example in every turn

>>54422404
It really depends on it there are multiple combats and the order of unit activations.

>>54422435
>why are players so annoying and insecure?
Just recap the 40k playerbase and think about asking that again.

>>54422425
GW website is a mess

>>54422404
The way it works is, all units that charged get to go first but existing combat is alternating with the controlling player going first.

So say I am tyranids and you are Marines. I charged in my carnifex and my squad of warriors and hormagaunts were already in combat from the previous turn. I attack first with my carnifex, after that I get to pick what unit I want to fight first since it's my turn, so I pick the warriors next. After that you pick a unit. Then I pick the hormagaunts, then you pick. Next turn is yours so you select the first unit to fight.

>>54422465
Ur moms a mess

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>>54422449

No

Are hellforged contemptors any good for Iron Warriors?

>>54422457
Nop just marine, either the ice-cream or horny version of them is annoying.

The rest are just bored of them.

>>54422449
no. charging only matters for the turn it happens in.

it could possibly go before the marines in the second turn, but only if the marine player picks a different unit of his to fight something else first.

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>>54422469

Wrong again

>>54422498
no, he's correct.

>>54421216
roll

>>54422492
I need a flow chart of melee for Marine and Nid players.
They simple do not understand it and it is getting supper annoying.
To the point of simply refusing game with them just to avoid the hazel.

>>54422287
Because it was too hard for most units to get into assault as there were too many restrictions, overwatch buffs and unreliable charge distance.

>>54422498

He's right.

>>54422108
Hive tyrants are quite replaceable anon

>>54422498
>>54422508
>>54422529

Yeah, i realized after posting that both warrior and gaunts were already in combat, I understood initially that warrior were charging with the fex

Shame on me.

>>54422061
Old metal bloodletters were fucking cool.
New ones are wank in my opinion.

>>54422524
So nothing change.
Well not really getting into melee is still annoying, but is less of gamble like it was in 7th.

Side note Arco Flagellants counter Balekor 27D3 attacks with re-roll to hit sure drain those 8 wounds fast.

land raiders getting repacked?

>>54422562
80% of the store is getting repacked

>>54422562
Lots of things are it seems.

>>54422543
Most of the new stuff lacks personality.
They are pretty and complex models, but something is missing with them.

Slaanesh stuff is the most clear example, even the butt ugly punk crab demons had more going than the newer plastic kits.

>>54422418
She can't do that all the time, it would get boring.

Are psilencers trash?

>>54422054
Space marines are literally what make the setting unique and you hate them?

>>54422084
You forgot to mention the brand new codex that will be out just in time for the campaign that will give Space Marine players lots of good abilities that will help win.


Fucking GW

>>54422054
Tau or Eldar to make SMfags cry endlessly for years because "m-m-muh unstoppable angels of death!" They're the easiest fanbase in existence to trigger so it shouldn't take much.

>>54422602

Best special weapon option for GK per point

outperforms psycannon on:
Aything with more less than T8 and more then 1w
Anything with less than T5 and less than 2+ save

>>54422609
>space marine
>unique
Nop, what makes the setting unique is over the top stuff like A MOTHER FUCKING TANK THAT SHOOTS MISSILE FROM AN ORGAN WHILE A CRAZY NUN PLAYS MUSIC ON TOP.
It is not just one thing. Is the sum of things.
FUCKING SPACE KNIGHTS DROP FROM THE SKY IN BULLETS RIGHT INTO THE THICK OF BATTLE WHILE WIELDING CHAINSWORDS

Fucking space elves shooting shurikens while gliding in hover tanks.
Etc etc Etc

>>54422640
>Aything with more less

*less

>>54422054
Imperial Guard
Strong humanity fuck yea who don't need no bioenhanced man

>>54422562

I just want to know where the deathwatch land raider went? I was going to buy one so I could magnetise everthing.

>>54422445
there is nothing wrong with my ideas, my only problem is trying to vet them with morons and seeking fans approval.

>>54422654
not enough cash for grandma gw

>>54422651
But guard players are cunty whiners when someone thinks about other races.

>>54422576
That's what happens with digital models. Detail is excellent but compared to hand sculpts they lack soul.

>>54422668
You misspell marine players.
Had you been here lately? The fuckers start screaming NPC as soon someone talks about anything else

>>54422673
Yes and no. You can still get excellent hand sculpts from FW, but I love the clean consistency that is only achieved through digital sculpts.

>>54422679
stfu NPC.

>>54422668
So don't be a cunty IG player instead be a baller one

>>54422682

digital for mechanical parts
Hand for organic

>>54422679
I couldn't tell the difference because they don't complain about IG players.

How good are Fyreslayers? Thinking of getting 2 SC! Fyreslayer boxes. They're a fucking steal.

>>54422714
You're 40,000 years too early kiddo

>>54422714
Wrong thread, friendo

>>54422714
They're okay in 5th, but not great in pathfinder, the requirement to untap them with mana really hurts their usefulness.

>>54422663
If everyone thinks your ideas are shit and you're having trouble getting to agree with them then maybe your ideas are actually shit.