Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

>>54400644
>>54400644
If I see two people play half-elves, does that count as one elf? What if four people play half-elves in my group? Are we collectively playing as two elves?

>>54400644
That's a nice elf. I think I'll keep her.

>>54400644
A guy played any elf and wanted to be Legolas. He ended up falling out of a tree and getting mauled by a tiger.

So the main villains of the campaign right now are:
>A Winter hag, a Nosferatu, and a Phrenic Scourge reenacting World War I (except this time Franz Ferdinand is a dwarf)
>An arch demon who just wants to corrupt souls in peace without all this political bullshit
>Orc Napoleon
>And Gaston

>>54400657
Yes. Two elves having sex with two humans.

>>54400644
If they didn't have that fucking Con penalty people might play them more.
I would gladly give up some racial stuff to negates the penalty

>>54400644
I'm playing an Elf Arcanist in a mythic campaign.
It's exactly as broken as you would think.

>>54400731
...that might be my fetish.

>>54400756
You keep that talk up and we'll have another "mythic isn't broken" argument on our hands.

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>>54400756
>not a samsaran
>not a wyrwood
>not a peri-blooded aasimar

Please, anon.

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>>54400644

>Limit Player race choice to core rulebook only.
>Player makes elf character.

>>54400644
It occurs to me now that I've made dozens of half-elves but I've never once made an elf.

>>54400826
To be fair, it was Mythic 10. I was an ageless flying shithead with 36 Int and boosted spell DCs at level 4

>>54400831
I wanted to be a Tolkien elf lord on mage steroids

Man the Adhara app to intrigue does things to my dick. I want to see her bully the halfling.

>>54400958
The what?

>>54400970
The wrong game name.

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Anything new about Starfinder?

>>54400644
I played an ancient elf Rogue-Witch in a gestalt game. She was a monster - able to heal, curse, sneak attack, and claw people to death. She owned a mountain where she mined diamonds and kept a tribe of gnolls that amused her safe and protected. they thought she was a goddess.

>>54400978
>Still can't romance the Krogan

>>54400870
Degenerate.

>>54401035
You get the Vesk right in the box. Closest you are going to get

>Tuvarkz apped for Intrigue
>Lawful Neutral
>Member of a noble family
Could we get a triple threat here?

>>54401090
Does he also worship Asmodeus?

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Shalelu is cute. Cute!

>>54401104
Lewd the elf anon!
Do it!

>>54401104
That's really old paizo art. LIKE REALLY OLD. Like before artists understood what they wanted their elves to look like, note the eyes not being completely covered by an iris and the night elf ears.

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>>54400644
Hey /pfg/ I'm a new DM and I was wondering if you could help me out with a homebrew idea.

I was going to have my party enter the plane of earth and fight some shaitans and have the boss chuck large magnetic boulders that would stick to and hold in place the players wearing heavy metal armor and some larger magnetic areas might rip metal weapons out of the player's hands if they don't pass a check. On the players turn they'd be able to roll a check to shove the boulders away or move with reduced speed.

How would I go about writing the mechanics for these stones?

>>54401144
And back when the artist they'd hired was actively trying to undercut the writers.

>>54401171

have a look at this

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/magnetic-field/

To the Godlayer guy from last thread: you didn't actually post any contact info

Betrothed question

>Whenever a betrothed or her companion would gain a bonus to or deal further additional damage with their aether pulses, the extra damage is halved after totaling it.

Does this include damage that is attribute-based, such as from Aether Rampage or Aether Channel?

>>54401217
Yes.

>>54401207
It's just a premise idea at this stage, not running it any time soon.

What do you need so survive in the steppe?

>>54401739
Love.

>>54401739
A writ of passage from Kublai Khan, long may he reign.

>>54401739
A fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, the wind in your hair.

How do make a Dhampir character interesting without making him/her Blade?

>>54401769
Victorian noble.

>>54401769
I once played a wistful Dhampir in a Carrion Crown game who grew up in a normal human community and only realized what he was until everyone he grew up with aged to death. Envious of humanity but having long accepted the difference between himself and people around him, sociable and friendly but solitary due to his differences. That was a fun character.

>>54401739
A giant dick to appease the barbarian girls

>>54401756
Is that all I need?

>>54401961
According to a group of awakened insect bards, yes.

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Howdy /pfg/, I'm building a character that takes Fighter as a chassis, and guts all of its features in place of the Myrmidon (PoW), War Hero and Spirit-Wielder archetypes (SoP). Spirit-Wielder allows Fighter to turn any one weapon into an intelligent "awakened weapon" with highly limited sphere casting.

The awakened weapon gets only a few spell points and has low caster level progression. It gains the Enhancement sphere by default, and gains only three other talents, but it can take drawbacks and boons, may target the wielder with personal-range effects, and uses its own actions.

With that said, how would you make the most out of an awakened weapon for an initiator, especially considering the added action economy? Constant personal Improved Haste, various Enhancement buffs, at-will Teleport, Crystal Blast/CC abilities, Fount of Life and Resuscitate, Encompassing Light stacking with Primal Warrior Stance; there's a lot of possibilities, but limited choices.

Shitpost game idea:
>every quest is some NPC having a "rat problem"
>once you inquire further, it's always something different
>>the "rats" are an invading skaven horde
>>you actually have to protect rats rather than kill them
>>the rats are actually ratfolk competitors whom you have to put out of business
>>a portal to the elemental plane of rats opened and you have to shut it down
>etc.

>>54400644
look at those nips

>>54402154
Oh and: metaphors such as "rat = traitor" or "rats = lowlives" also work.

>>54402154
>Turns out the rat problem is a mole
I mean that in every sense

>>54400644

The worst thing is, I know what was the character reference for that one.

Great taste, at least.

Hi people, I want to make Bravery less of a joke. Would you be okay with it giving +1 per 2 levels on saves vs fear and combat stamina pools, and players being able to use an immediate action to apply the bonus on any other save? I want it to represent a fighter "soldiering on" or just having a last-second burst of adrenaline. For feats, class features etc that upgrade it, it would count at its current rate.

My idea is to give it at half rate to archetypes that lose it now, so they are not entirely out in the cold.

>>54402398
Literally see Armoured Bravery.
Bravery is effectively "you have a good will save nao" with it and literally every fighter takes it.

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>>54400644

What stat is most closely related to thighs and their general thickness?

>>54402439
CON. It's also the reason most elves are flat.

>>54402439

Wis. Hear me out.


> wis
> heal skill stat
> cleric casting stat.
>"Thick thighs save lives"

What races have darkvision?

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>>54402511

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>>54402439
What stat is most closely related to breasts and their productivity and size?

Do you need skills in swimming in order to swim?

Unsell me on Gaseous Form for a Qinggong monk. I get wizard levels of bullshittery during exploration. The only downside I can see is that yeah the wizard could cast this instead, and later on it gets overshadowed by abundant step.

>>54402511
Tiefling, half-orc, dwarf, aasimar.

>>54402714
Treading calm water is dc10

if not stressed, a person with no bonuses or penalties can take 10 and be fine.

>>54402721
Gaseous Form is dreadful. It reduces your speed to nothing. It reduces your AC to nothing. It gives you DR, but it doesn't apply against magic weapons- so, virtually everything.

>>54402421

Yes, and that's my problem. Bravery is one of the fighter's very few features and it is complete shit on its own. I want to make it not shit without just giving them a good will save.

I used the 1 per 2 levels progression, as it is fairly common - trapfinding, stern gaze, bardic knowledge, etc. Since combat stamina is another typical fighter thing, I wanted "bravery" (I call it "indomitable") to apply to saves vs fear and it as well.

The ability to use it for other stuff with an immediate action was a bit of a freebie, but I expect that fighters should be extremely used to combat. I was thinking about gating it by not making it available while the fighter is flat-footed, since it is a conscious effort.

>>54402852
I mentioned exploration. I'm not using it in combat, I'm using it to move the story forward and walk through walls.

>>54402958
I'm aware. I'm just saying that if you get caught out in that form, it could seriously suck. Remember, 10ft movespeed.

>>54402858
Here's the thing about making bravery a +1/2 levels bonus: in addition to adding to saves vs fear, and all Will saves with Armored Bravery (and 2x against fear), you can also add it to your initiative, the DC to checks to feint/demoralize you, on saves vs all mind-affecting effects, bluff and intimidate, escape artist checks and CMB checks to escape a grapple, and you can also grant the mind-affecting/feint/demoralize/escape artist bonuses to allies within 30 feet. Also, that would mean that at level 8 (or possibly level 4) the character could fairly reliably get fear immunity.

>>54402706
Constitution.

In theory, kineticists make the greatest baby-bearers.

>>54402439
>>54402706
STR and CON in the sense of "no fat here" and "healthy" rather than "thicc" memes. CHA could also, but that's character to character basis on both sides.

If you fail your CON, you die during childbirth.

>>54403128
Circle of Protection from Childbirth Complications go!

>>54402858

You can, if you invest in it. Without investment, Bravery is a joke.

I want to keep the investment options, but I want it to be useful on its own. Fighters get a total of 3 class abilities prior to level 19, they should not require extra feats put in them to be good.

>>54403305
Try Everyman Unchained:Fighters by Rogue Genius Gaming

>>54403333
Literally worse than DHB!Fighter.

>>54401035
KROGAN COCK

SO GOOD

>>54401104
Isn't Shalelu a hate-Elf that gets off to killing goblins?

Can you use a longsword with two hands?

>>54403128
Having a midwife allows you to reroll!

>>54403413
You can! Every one-handed weapon can be two-handed.

Is it better to write the backstory in objective, omniscient narration, or describe it as limited third person?

Also, should I start with a small event before I describe the backstory?

>>54403338

Explain how.

>>54403466
Whichever perspective you are better at writing. If you think the omniscient see-it-all narrator is more your forte or the character's personal account being right up your butt.

>>54403466
Personally, I like doing omniscient because it fits in with my writing style. You do you- maybe write two first paragraphs in either style then pick which one suits you.

>>54400423
Why do you guys think my apps are joke apps
First you thought Takashi was a joke app, he was 100% serious and I 100% intend to take Ensoulment to the space jam when it comes time.
Now you think Cynn is a joke app, she's not. She's 100% serious
What the fuck.

I'm going back to bed.

>>54403466
I write it in first person because fuck the police

The quickest way to a man's heart is between his fourth and fifth rib, if you understand me.

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>>54402810
>tfw your shitty wizard arms keep you from even treading water
>tfw the party goes swimming for a fun beach episode

>>54403712
It's actually via Heart Clutch.

>>54403338

DHB?

How much pain is a regular human in for if they swallow an iron arrowhead or two?

>>54403712

No, no, no, no. The stupid ribs can get in the way. The fastest way is through vena cava in the stomach. It's messy, but it works.

>>54403466
Starting with a small 1-2 sentence blurb about the character goes a long way to getting you in the zone while setting the backstory tone.

>>54403783
Lacerated larynx, perforated stomach, and god help you if it enters the small intestine.

Basically the worst pain you can imagine, short of flaying or vivisection.

>the newest intrigue app

CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

>>54403783
Swallow some nightshade with it and hope it acts fast

>>54403922
He's still a WIP.

>>54404149
Look at his sheet boyim
>EWP for Elven Curve Blade as a Helf
>Medium Armor proficiency
>+1 Keen Elven Curve Blade for 2000

>>54403813

Could you give an example?

>>54404179
>taking ewp

why

>>54404246
BUTCHER'S AXE

>>54404260
but he's taking EWP for something he can get as a race feature

>>54404209
I sure can, just need to get to a computer!

Can dirty trick give you options to enable sneak attack? my knowledge in PF is limited so I dunno, but dirty trick looks like something very rogueish.

>>54404320
I'm pretty sure, yeah. Blinded denies dex to AC, iirc.

>>54404320
yeah, blind and stuff.

>>54404269
but BUTCHER'S AXE

>>54404209
It doesn't have to be anything particularly advanced, just an establishing blurb that embodies the character's core values and the backstory tone. An example from way back that stuck with me was for a huntsman in a dark fantasy campaign who became a monster hunter after tragedy killed his family. The blurb went something like this,

>People do not simply come into the business of monster slaying. For some it's the pursuit of gold, others fame. Some seek vendetta against the beasts that tore a normal life from them, While others see it as the only chance for a normal life they've got. For Sigmund Caine, it's a bit of them all.

That's all the blurb is, something that goes from the starting line to, "okay, this guy is an XXX and and here's a couple hints as to why."

>>54403843
>>54403923
So do you get around most of the problems of swallowing metal bits if they are blunted first?

>>54404422

Is it better to first come up with it and then write the rest or first write the backstory and then refined it?

>>54403612
I'd like to take you to bed~

>>54403732
>implying Fighter-san won't offer to stay on the beach with you
>implying Fighter-san doesn't have a serious crush on your cute little wizardly self
Now what?

Is 5 electricity resistence enough to feel nothing from a natural lightning strike.

>>54404664
A natural lightning strike is probably in the range of 5d8 to 10d8.

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>>54404422
_______F_______

>>54404420
Is not relevant.

>>54404626
One should follow the other, start with the idea of your backstory and then write the blurb to get the fingers (and brain) going.

>>54404664
>thunderstorms are accompanied by lightning that can pose a hazard to characters without proper shelter (especially those in metal armor). As a rule of thumb, assume one bolt per minute for a 1-hour period at the center of the storm. Each bolt causes between 4d8 and 10d8 points of electricity damage
As per the rules.

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High-level godslayers campaign WHEN?

>>54404996
High level godlayers campaign confirmed soon.
Unfortunately, the lack of s is intentional, though, but still close enough.

>>54405043
...can I marry Shelyn?

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Is Magus the best way to replicate a Red Mage?

>>54405119
Why would you want to marry the god of pedophiles and beastiality enthusiasts?

>>54405119
Of course you can! If Desna and Sarenrae can bone her, so can you!

>>54405119

Only if you're really good at wooing girls, otherwise she'll just think your clumsy come-ons mean you want to be friends.

>>54405043
Isn't a pair of level 20 / Mythic 10 characters fucking PRETTY MUCH godlaying? That's a level where you can actually court a god or EL.

>>54405192
>>54405181
Lies and slander! Shelyn is pure!

>>54405193
Shelyn is the goddess of stuttering, love-sick doofuses though, she'd understand EXACTLY what you're trying to say.

>>54405228

Please, she'd just give you a hug and set you up with someone nice. You've got to sweep her off her feet if you want to get anywhere.

>>54405227
Jimmy Jake over at Paizuri productions says NO! She bones the goddesses!

>>54405227
I mean it's canon that Desna and Sarenrae fuck Shelyn all the time.

Or at least go platonic because JJ can't say naughty words, only implications.

>wanting to bang any of the Pathfinder gods

How low can your standards go?

>>54405371
I want to fug Zon-Kuthon. He desperately needs love.

>>54404630
You don't understand how fucking annoying it is for people to call your characters 'jokes'

>>54402439
Does anyone have that colored image of this same character? I can't find it anywhere.

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>Considering dropping a game to play starfinder instead
Am I making a mistake?

>>54405439
You just posted this in that other thread.

>>54405371
Cayden Chilean became a god in his pursuit of Calistria's booty.

Though I agree, if I was an end-game demigod I'd want a dragon or Fae as my wife.

>>54405439
cute pasta.

>>54405456
Congrats, you responded to a robot.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/%22There%20is%20no%20conspiracy%20to%20make%22/

>>54405439
Did you mean to post a bait thread or something.
I don't even disagree, but this is out of left field so I assume this is just trying to bait people.

>>54405456
Don't drop a campaign until you have the replacement, unless you can see yourself enjoying the no-game time!

>>54405480
Its a pasta

>>54405474
>Over 15 pages
I knew it was pasta, but wow.

>trying to make a kineticist that can do damage worth a shit
Fuck this. Even with Jolly stuff this class is garbage.

>>54405043
Was there any word on starting level or PB?

>>54405641
Level 9, 27 PB, gestalt, players don't start as mythic but possible mythic down the line.

>>54405176
Seems like it.
There's a Red Mage Magus archetype near the top of the homebrew list, and you can make an Unchained Magus (around the bottom of the homebrew list) and get divine spells from greater spell access if you're so inclined.

>>54405650
>27 PB
>27

Nani?

>>54405726
That's what the pitch said.

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>>54405456
What are you looking forward to Starfinder about?

So I've been invited to a group formed by a Cleric (supposedly buffer), a Ranger (DPR and Face though bad at both), Fighter (DPR only) and Alchemist (Skillmonkey and Face). What should I roll? I was thinking Rogue or Ninja. In case of Ninja, is going unarmed (1 level in shohei) and sap master a good idea?

>>54405650
Wtf is 27 PB? 18/16/14/12/8/7, I guess?

>>54405650
>27pb

what is this, 5e?

>>54405836
>>54405880
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlMRAqqdAesZNHwsljjpNWerLBOuOphg09TS2AwNI0Q/edit?usp=sharing
>Level: 9. Gestalt. No Variant Multiclassing. Mythic Tiers might be included, later.
>Point Buy: 27

>>54400858
>limit players to core phb only
>everyone makes gnomes, half-elves, and dragonborns

>>54405897
We're not questioning it being in the pitch doc

we're questioning it why its in the pitch doc

>>54405934
Dunno, I'm not the author.

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>>54405779
Your death. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>Devolutionist archetype.
>uses a devolved savage as an animal companion.
>can replace the savage at any time with a 24-hour ritual to permanently cavemanize a restrained person.
>caveman can only deal claw attacks and a bite at 1d4 each.
>caveman cannot chuck spears oh dears.
>caveman doesn't grow large at level four.

So wasting two feats to increase the natural attacks, and permanently enlarging him, your going to get 1d8 three times.

Come on Paizo, you could have done better with this. Give us scaling natural attacks. You did it for the Feral Gnasher.

>>54405779
I typically like science fiction settings more than fantasy, but I love shadowrun for it's science/magic mix. Starfinder is Science Fantasyish, so I have to at least check it out.

>>54405960
>can replace the savage at any time with a 24-hour ritual to permanently cavemanize a restrained person.
p. terrifying desu

How many half-monster and mongrel races exist?

>>54405897
>Maptools for game
>random 27 PB
Aaaand it's shit.

>>54406135
I don't really like the premise either but you can't please everyone.

Someone run a game in a custom setting! Golarion sucks. Tailor it to the tone of the campaign!

>>54405364
>>54405342
JJ needs to be punished! How can he so brazenly misunderstand Purity?

>>54405394
I think I'd prefer joke over what I've got.

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>13 Carnal Crown Apps
>11 are Female

>>54406269
Being a straight woman is suffering.

>>54406268
it just fucking triggers me.
If I wasn't interested in playing, I wouldn't app

>>54405897
I like the level, the Gestalt and the classes allowed, buuuut the PB feels a bit wonky and I thought we were starting with Mythic, not "growing into it?"

That said, I've got numerous potential builds which are exciting me!

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>tfw all your build ideas are PoW
>tfw the thread attitude towards PoW is getting worse

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Another Starfinder Faction released

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljyy?Faction-Overview-Second-Seekers


Can't wait for the inevitable /pol/ memes

>>54405463
>dragon
Fucking horrible
>fae
Nearly as bad

Those are both terrible choices. Goodly goddesses are so far above capricious and spiteful monsters like dragons and far that it isn't funny.

>>54406018
Half-Elves and Half-Orcs are the only real notable ones, there's also Ogrekin but you can't play those.

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>>54405980
Yeah, but you can't have more than one caveman. If it let you convert an entire city of goblins, hey, sure, suddenly the low natural attacks would have been forgivable. But I don't think you can even equip them with magic gear, outside of threatening the alchemist to strap a bunch of bombs to him. Can't even use spears or clubs, or even improvised weapons. So much potential lost.

>>54406310
>The thread attitude matters

>>54406320
The GMs come from the thread. GMs might be less and less willing to take PoW.

>Once a human is violated by an Ogre, their bloodline is forever tainted by the encounter

ONCE YOU GO OGRE
IT WILL BE ALL OVER

>>54406284
Then maybe you should stop apping with cutesy trash, and bring in a remotely serious character.

>>54406345
Seriousness is fucking lame to be honest.

>>54406316
Are you suggesting your character is going to marry Iomedae?

I'm sorry, what's this about apping? I come here like once every two weeks.

>>54406335
Then ask the GMs if they're okay with players using path of war? If not, find something else that interests you, class or game wise.

>>54406358
>>54406284
Fuck off Broodie.

>>54406358
>seriousness is lame
>WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I'M A JOKE

:thonking:

>>54406367
People are running games on roll20 is all, and they're open for applications.

>>54406313
WE
WUZ
SEEKUHS N' SHEEEIIIIIT

Why is it that basically no game starts at 5th level or higher?

>>54406345
What does 'serious' mean? Am I making a joke app unless I'm making a fucking edgelord with a nodachi whose family is deaaadd? Oh man, maybe I should make a fucking LN OD/ZS warder, holy fuck those are -serious- apps guys.

I'm seriously fucking baffled here, what is a 'serious' app.

>>54406370
>>54406375
fuck off that person isn't me.

>Rougarou
>Syrinx
>Strix
>Human

What race should I go for with my Deities character?

>>54406389
The answer to this is twofold; for one, many DMs can't handle high-level play and many think they need to play the "rise to power."

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>>54406376
Ooh, colour me interested. How can I apply?

>>54406438
>play the "rise to power."
Why not just rise EVEN HIGHER?

>>54406448
>>54398415

On a scale of 1-10, what would be the interest/hype level if someone ran a level 3 start RoW game with 3pp and feat tax stuff?

>>54406509
8.5, I'd say!

>>54406458
Because DMs are dumbies and don't see it that way?

>>54406509
>level 3
Probably not much.

>>54406509
probably decent

>>54406549
How would starting any higher work for an AP? It seems like people would steamroll the first book. Is that a good thing?

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>Want a game more complex than 5e, but not sure about dipping into pathfinder
Is it worth it?

>>54406509
Mm, quite a bit.

>>54406568
No, these people don't know what they want.

>>54406392
Your apps are considered jokes because they focus solely on invoking a specific feeling, to the point to the detriment of everything else.

Edgelords do the same thing, but the difference is people are (usually) self-aware enough to work with that. The problem is, if you strip away the "kawaii uguu~" from your characters, they're left with nothing.

>>54406581
Hey, at least is single facet characters get into games. The major reason his recent ones haven't is that his schedule is full other than mondays. Full because he's in a ton of games.

>>54406570
>strip away the 'kawaii uguu' from cynn
>Still a crazy inventor mad scientist that wants to take revenge on the technic league

Really makes you think.

>>54406570
Check out some YouTube videos, see if you like it or not.

However, Starfinder is coming out in August and may get leaked sooner. Wait for that to drop

>>54406601
this was meant as a response to >>54406581

>>54406568
I'm under the impression people just want higher levelled games, but I could be wrong.

>>54406570
Pathfinder is a pretty broken system, but what is has to offer are options. There's options for almost any build you want (whether or not they're mechanically optimal or good), and there's support for a load of shit that 5e simply doesn't offer. If you're looking for a balanced system, Pathfinder is probably not it, look for GURPS or something instead.
Starfinder is supposed to be coming in less than a month, so you could also stick around for that.

>>54406464
Thank you. I'll try to apply when I get home from work.

>>54406601
>NUH UH
>remove the kawaii and you've got a bland stereotype

:thurnking:

>>54406615
I've never really ran a game, so I wanted to start out with something pre-written and heard RoW was a good time. I don't know if it'd be fun if everything is two+ levels under you for the first book and a half.

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>Done nothing but run games for the past year, but not play them
>Used to playing tons of NPC'S, so being one character is weird
>Have the feeling that I might not be able to stay interested long enough to play a PC
How do I fix this?

>>54406661
Have you tried alcohol?

That always helps me get into character.

>>54406359
...Yes, they are!

>>54406661
Play something that is multiple characters at once: IE spiritualist, caster+familiar, pc+animal companion, a construct builder, the one meme alchemist? Alternatively, try to find a short game instead of a full campaign. Or both?

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugtb?RGG-Announces-the-Starfarers-Companion


3aboos IN SPACE. This book will be banned at my table...

>>54406642
>I've never really ran a game

Then run. Run far away from this place.

The kind of uber-min-maxed 3pp THIRTEEN PAGE monstrosities /pfg/ makes is going to break you.

>>54406642
Oh I see, hmmm. RoW is fairly easy to run at least, so you could give it a shot.

>>54406700
It's 3pp, who gives a shit?

Can Wolf Savage be used as an attack of opportunity?

>>54406700
K, nice to know, now fuck off

>>54406716
>Literally the worst special snowflake races
>Furry races

>>54406400
Human, and try to marry Abadar. Make the ultimate gold digger

>>54406633
Cool. You have no argument

>>54406730
So?

RGG has always been a shit publisher.

>>54406633
Not Broodie, but all my characters are super bland.

>>54406746
It just annoys me that the first supplement for Starfinder is going to be the worst of PF that I wanted to get away from.

>>54405810
Bumpo?

>>54406730
So they've got an average pfg character?

>>54406756
It's 3pp you can literally just ignore it

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>>54406743

>>54406824
I mean until you can explain what a 'serious' character is and why mine are not serious, yeah, you look to be wrong

>>54406707
I don't super care if they destroy the first books combat, I'm more worried that the party might sequence break or something. Is that a thing that could happen?

>>54406713
How much work would it be to match the "minmax" of the thread?

>>54406848
I did.

All your characters a made to be cute, to the detriment of every other aspect of their character.

>>54406869
>How much work would it be to match the "minmax" of the thread?
It would depend on what applications you choose, honestly. I think it's a safe bet to assume that /pfg/ characters at a minimum are more than a match for normal encounter CR+1 / +2.

>>54406869
>I don't super care if they destroy the first books combat

It's not just the first book. Despite /pfg/'s insistence that it's balanced, PoW majorly fucks over anyone who doesn't know how to play with it. Same thing with all the other books people are going to ask you for.

>>54406883
But they're not? So you're wrong. Cynn is not designed to be cute first and foremost, she's designed to be a mad scientist with a cool robot dog first and foremost, and to have a motivation that fits in with iron gods, to discover how robots are made so she can make her own.
Her cuteness is an afterthought to me.

And you still have yet to describe what a 'serious' character is. If you have, describe it again, please. I'm fucking waiting.

>>54406720
Like with Vicious Stomp, I mean.

>>54406950
Nah, PoW is by far the worst offender in what it does to game balance.
Spheres and Psionics are still strong, but they only ever become alternatives to Vancian. PoW however makes it so EVERY martial also HAS to be an initiator - non-initiators fall hopelessly behind, forcing both players and GM to make every fightman an an initiator once you have a single one in the game.

>>54406950
So how do you GM for PoW and SoP? And just saying don't allow them seems like a quick way to be a unpopular game filled with Roll20 randos.

>>54406995

This seriously. I'm playing a non-initiator, non-smiter in a game. I feel like I'm completely outstripped by other characters.

>>54406995
>>54407030
its possible to make a 1pp only martial that keeps up with initiators, but its hugely optimized builds to do it and its honestly not much fun.

Okay.

How about we just port over the Tome of Battle, should be dead simple, right?

>>54406642
>>54406869
>How much work would it be to match the "minmax" of the thread?

By talking to the players you want to pick and not picking the people who are clearly trying to break your chargen over their knees. The guy who wants to be a pre-errata Steelfist Warlord||Body Pact Avowed with Broken Blade+Shattered Mirror, for example, should just get a PM with a 10 minute laugh track and a rejection notice. The guy who wants to play an Unchained (MoMS/Scaled Fist) Monk||Bard who's focused on tripping? Probably far less likely to be breaking shit.

There's also the fact that, if you're starting at level 3, you'll want to adjust and scale encounters, especially if you have something like PoW available. "One big boss" is going to melt even in 1pp-only, but a big boss and a bunch of mooks turns into a pretty interesting fight.

>>54406996
PoW's big problem is autists who don't know how it works, and the fact that the errata to tune down known damage bloat is taking too fucking long to come out. It has lots of cool ideas but people screech because the overtuned big numbers crowd out the actual cool shit in their mind. People also end up narrowing in on the big numbers when building, which makes an un-fun arms race to get big numbers.

SoP has corner cases in which it's "better" than Vancian, but overall is less powerful. The only big issues it has are the designers have retarded notions of "balance" in particular areas, like insisting that Divination Sphere spend a fuckload of talents in order to get equal functionality to the Detect Magic cantrip, and making cantrips themselves an optional rule that you either beg your GM for or are forced to spend a feat on.

>>54406996
Mostly by feel, and by leveraging half a decade of encounter design experience.

I've played most initiators, and played alongside a cadre of Spherecasters, so I have a general picture of what those classes are capable of. Then I study the fuck out of my players' sheets, and figure out exactly what they can do.

There's no one size fits all approach to GMing base PF, but you at least have the CR to provide a guideline. With PoW in the mix, CR is no longer useful in any way, shape, or form.

>>54407030
>playing a non-initiator, non-smiter
Not to sound condescending, but what do you /do/ in combat? Just full attack and charge? Is that ever fun even without PoW?

>>54406996

From what I've seen?

Tack on maneuvers to existing enemies and call it a day.

>>54407030
Hi Kyras!

Excited for tonight?

>>54407124

You came -close- to hitting the target board this time. but you've got the wrong player and game.

>>54406986
Guess I didn't directly spell it out, so here it is:

Serious apps don't focus solely on invoking a specific feeling. They are interesting regardless of gender, race, and the reader's sexual preference; except when dealing with issues directly related to one of those things. In short, serious apps are just good characters. Joke apps are stereotypes, fapbait, edgelords, etc.

I 110% guarantee no one would pay your character any mind if they were a male dwarf or something other than a girl in skintight clothing. Cyna may be closer to a serious app than most (I dunno the reviewers motivations for that, since I didn't write it), but when taken in the context of your body of work, she just blends in.

Rinka was a decent character for 1 specific game, with 1 specific GM. You need to move on.

What makes an interesting character to begin with?

>>54407279

Serious characters don't get into games, and they don't get lewds even if they get into them.

People on /pfg/ want their fetishdimensional sexpots and jokes wrapped up in lewd packages.

Trust me, I know. I'm the dull rock in my game's pile of lewd jewelry.

>>54407363
Sad, but true.

Would you rather your character been seen as a joke or an NPC?

>>54407279
But Cynn is nothing like Rinka you fucking mongoloid. They are entirely different characters in a lot of fucking ways, holy shit.

Cynn would probably be thought of as a good app as a male dwarf, or elf or whatever, because the core of the app is still that of a character who fits in with the themes of iron gods, a character who wants to learn more about everything there in order to build their badass robot. It literally doesn't matter to the character, they are interesting enough for the campaign regardless of their race and gender.

Also, I'm not sure how focusing on invoking a specific feeling is bad? Surely if an app invokes a feeling rather than not, the app that invokes a feeling is better. Isn't it a sign of good writing to invoke a feeling? Holy fuck. What are you on about

This is the whole problem with /pfg/ on apps, you guys are trying to write 13 page fucking stories that frankly, nobody gives a shit about or cares about. RPG characters are not meant to be finished hunks of iron, they aren't supposed to have an epic backstory, they're supposed to be looking FORWARD, they should be a basis upon which the full character is built over the course of their adventures

Like ya'll niggas need to think, you don't look at a character at the start of a book as their entire character, and if you skip to the end of the book to see what they've become, thats fucking boring and dumb. Your idea of a 'serious' character IS a fucking NPC.

>>54407354
Dude fucked if I know, /pfg/ makes no goddamn fucking sense when it comes to what it likes.

>>54407363
Thats because 'serious' characters are dull as dirt garbage like Tuvarkz nodachi-fag-of-the-week

>>54407440
shut up darn

>>54407354
I'd say either a weird gimmick or a memorable personality. I remember a game where someone rolled a Trox wizard obsessed with being as punch as possible, to the point where all of his spells were buffs to his strength, constitution and grapple. He dressed like a circus strongman, and until he unfortunately met his end by being dogpiled in the bear exhibit after getting plastered, we used to joke that "sure, he's not a great wizard, but do you want to say that to his face?"

>>54407440
>But Cynn is nothing like Rinka you fucking mongoloi
You're delusional if you think this is true.

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>>54407440
>broodie right now

this is why we bully you, nerd

Different people like different things. So, different people like to play different things. Some have fun with "serious" characters, some have fun with "joke" characters. You could say that each makes the other stand out. Is that so hard to understand?

>>54407440
Broodie you're a faggot, kys

>>54407471
But its true anon. They're extremely different characters.
>>54407486
i have never taken the bait this hard but fuck
>>54407499
when and where my dude.

>>54407440
>RPG characters are not meant to be finished hunks of iron, they aren't supposed to have an epic backstory,
A page long story isn't a hung of iron or an "epic" unless you have severe ADD.

>>54407363
>Serious characters don't get into games
Bull-fucking-shit

>>54407354
Depends on the audience

Disk, people write differently from you. Just because you review apps (including your own) doesn't mean you are the godking of writing. Fuck off.

>>54407522
No they aren't.

>>54407526
>13 pages

>>54407546

Moreover, Disk is the king of "Ten pages of retarded bullshit that could have been condensed into a paragraph and is utterly boring."

>>54407354
On /pfg/? Give it tits and go for a very specific fetish.

>>54407546
But they are. Anyone who doesn't has only the most shallow of looks at the characters.

They see 'short, cute girl, loud, magic shit'

>>54407463
>>54407354
Another one I remember was when a friend of mine came out of the hospital after her appendix exploded. She wrote up an entire archetype for the gunslinger when she was high on pain meds and fighting an infection.

Long and short, it was an orc archetype specializing in pistol whipping people and throwing guns at them. The pistol whip deed gains scaling damage, so a pistol deals 1d8, then 1d10, and so on until reaching 2d8 damage per swing, and eventually being free and being able to do attacks of opportunity, and the archetype can throw their weapons at a range of twenty feet, and instead of gaining dex to damage, you increase the throw range of a gun, and if it's a critical hit, the gun goes off and shoots the guy you plinked for critical damage.

She called it the Gun-shy.

>>54407440
>But Cynn is nothing like Rinka you fucking mongoloid

An inquisitive and determined, but overconfident chunni shortstack animal person, with a penchant for mechanics. Yes, very different.

>I'm not sure how focusing on invoking a specific feeling is bad?

Friendo, are you illiterate? What I wrote is not what you think I wrote.

>MUH THIRTEEN PAGES

When was that *ever* brought up? Please, show me where in my statement I said anything critical of brevity. You've got nothing of substance to say, so swinging at easy targets.

Why do you even ask for an explanation if you're gonna throw a shit fit the second someone answers your question?

>>54407585

A horse/dog/dragon dick will also suffice.

>>54407564
That's a clear exaggeration.

>>54407576
Yeah, I'd actually say he's just straight up shit at writing. Brevity is the soul of wit and all that. Apps are not novels, less is more as long as it still gets the character across within reason.

>>54407591
fuck this was meant to reply to>>54407550
god i'm triggered.

>>54407124
I can't wait to clear out the treehouse of horror!

>>54407591
t. Disk

>>54407602
no it actually happened.

>>54407616
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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The APPZ circus was a fucking mistake. Needing more than a bulletpoint backstory summary was a mistake. As soon as the IRC happened games should have just been a first-come-first-serve basis, doubly so with discord. IRC/Discord drama should have stayed out of the threads. I miss Jolly.

>>54407660
Agreed, I miss the days when someone would post a JOIN link rather than an Ad link.

>>54407660

Lewdgames were a mistake.

>>54407597
Cynn is much more confident, and moreso, is actually righteous in her confidence, in addition she has real problems with authority, to outright having an anarchist streak. Her megalomania is outright part of her. Her 'penchant for mechanics' isn't a penchant, its an obsession, to the point where she's willing to delve into the dangerous lands of numeria just to learn more about robots

Rinka's entire deal is that her overconfidence is a shield for her insecurities, she hides her race, she hides her fears, she hides everything behind the shield of her false identity. ITS A FARCE. Also can in no way can be described as a 'shortstack'. Rinka's penchant for mechanics is a very small part of her character, she's mostly about magic and explosions.

You're equating a character who at her heart is a shrinking violet hiding everything about herself from the world by creating a character based on books she read, to a character who is actually a megalomaniac anarchist who wants to build robots and smash all that oppose her, and outright thinks of stupid people as 'lesser'

Holy fucking shit.

>>54407124
Wrong guy, but yes. And there's a treasure with our names on it, I can smell it!
I also hope the little bastards we're fighting have a kitchen I can raid, running low on ingredients and I want to make something special soon.

>>54407660
Fcfs would be count succula, tuvarkz, kawase in every game though

>>54407719
>Not filtering your players
There are people who do that?

>>54407747
GMs are free to tell people they don't want to fuck off, though?

>>54407774
So "fcfs, but fuck people I don't like"

>>54407740
>who at her heart is a shrinking violet hiding everything about herself from the world by creating a character based on books she read
Not the anon you're speaking with, but holy fuck how purple can your prose get.
Verbosity is only good in moderation.

>>54407861
Oh its bad when i'm in the heat of the moment, my self editing is brutal outside of that

>>54407861
Novelfags need to leave.

>>54407851
Yes!

>>54407851
It's almost like forming a group for a game is more complex than buying muffins at a bakery and requires the GM to find a group of people that would all enjoy playing together.

>>54407861
The only purple part of that is shrinking violet.

>>54407930
And even that's a common figure of speech.

>>54404657
If only she had invested in Sense Motive! I guess she'll remain oblivious to Fighter-san's crush while they chat the day away. She does so love all his stories.

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Tell me about some of the characters you have lying around that you've never gotten to play, or that you wish you had gotten to play further, /pgg/.

>>54407771
They did, for a while.

>>54407930
It's still too much. The entire statement could have easily been cut down to a few words.

>>54407966
I have this ghetto wizard lying around that I really enjoyed playing. The campaign he was in ended up cancelled due to what my irl buds refer to as "werewolf nonsense".

>>54404320
Don't go dirty trick is a trap

>>54407996
Not really. I mean I guess you can just say "She's gathers confidence from a persona based off fictional characters", but it doesn't strike me as excessive. This is a backstory, not a Thog edit.

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>>54408005

What was he like? And how did werewolves preclude the game he was in?

>>54407966
I really liked playing a Sacred Fist/Master of Many Styles build as an oni-spawn girl, but by now I can't really play it anymore because nobody IRL wants to play anymore, and this community would just say "Pfft, you're just copying SwimmingEagle, fag."

>>54407966
I had a holy knight type that really wanted to find a place they belonged to and people to call a family of sorts.

>>54408033
From what I understood Dirty Trick was the best combat maneuver.

>>54408060
i'm not writing a backstory right now i'm yelling at people ree

>>54408075
>"Pfft, you're just copying SwimmingEagle, fag."
Onryou is so ridiculously unoriginal and generic as a concept, you pretty much couldn't make anything oni related without people saying this. Just do it anyway.

>>54408060
He's just saying who she is in response to criticism.
The issue here is that he's needlessly wordy, and it extends to his appwriting as well.

>>54408064
He was smug as all hell, knowledgeable about the arcane and beyond, and frequently got himself into bizarre situations with his teammates.

As for the werewolves, me and my irl buds have noticed that our campaigns tend to crash and burn after the werewolves have arrived. It's basically an in-joke at this point.

>>54408114
>Broodie's app writing
>needlessly wordy
Uh.

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>>54408075

Well, nothing says two people can't come up with similar ideas. Did she end up doing anything particularly fun or exciting?

>>54407861
That isn't purple at all, cretin. Unless you're a goddamn ten year old, that's fucking nothing.
Degenerate.

>>54408114
That doesn't strike me as needlessly wordy. I never read Rinka's shit, but if anything Cynn has TOO little detail.
>why is a kobold in Numeria
>how did a kobold learn
>why is kobold living in Torch
>why is a kobold aprenticed to a wizard
>how did a kobold go to starfall and ask about tech without being vaporized/enslaved.

>>54408085
CMDs stuff is high, he will never be able to surpass it by +5 to make the effect last more than 1 turn. If he doesn't make the effect (blinded) last more than 1 turn he won't be able to take advantage from it to sneak attack his next attack

He basically is stopping sneak attacking to dirty trick, is a trap for a rogue, he shouldn't be the one dirty tricking

>>54407966
Got an Ungermaw/Aberrant Aegis, a gingerbread witch, and a Vivisectionist/Chirugeon waiting in the wings. I was thinking of breaking one out for either Iron Gods or Carnal Crown, but they don't really fit the themes.

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>>54408083

What manner of knight were they? What circumstances made them long for a home and family?

How do you guys handle animal companions? It's my first campaign I'm GMing and one of my players had a heavily minmaxed half orc barbarian with the animal companion archetype and a warcat and now that he has got level 7 and the pet leveled up he's doing too much for my tastes.

Up till now I've been letting him use the warcat as another character without any checks or repercussions to make flanks, full round attacks and all of that all as a free action.

Should I keep doing that or make it harder for him to do dodgy stuff with it?

>>54408200
Well technically thats not how it works at all, you control the animal companion and he just commands it

that says for ease of use, it should be fine.

Just kill the cat.

>>54407966
Some kind of Ustalavic noble, a Slayer, who hunts after the people who killed his family and burned his house down when he was young.

>>54408190
>Ungermaw/Aberrant Aegis
> Vivisectionist/Chirugeon
Both of these seem like they'd work well in Both Iron Gods and Carrion Crown

>>54408131
The thing is she also had Onryou's basic personality, though with a much heavier accent on being a priestess rather than just a small-town girl. Generally speaking, she was more apt to serious the fuck up, and ended up as the party's diplomat on a few occasions simply because nobody else wanted to.

But seriously, fuck that group. Two mostly-silent randos and the abominable asshole they were basically babysitting, and he was the reason I left.

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>>54408190

That's quite a few. Can you share any details about them? Any you feel particularly strongly about?

Are there any good and fairly inexpensive ways to be immune to ability damage?

>>54408222
>The thing is she also had Onryou's basic personality,
See
>>54408111

>>54408195
They never really had close familial relationships growing up, so the prospects of knighthood and helping those around them seemed like a decent idea. The thought process being something like "if I help my community, maybe I find a place I belong to". My plan was to have them try and be a dependable person, but have a few insecurities to overcome.

>>54407966
A lot of my more entertaining character concepts have been gestalt, just because it's easier to slap something decent together, but someday I hope to play a good ol' Vivesectionist alchemist. Not even a natural attack alchemist, just a Rogue knockoff that was a shitty doctor trying to get by in his backstory. He hopes adventuring will help him unlock the secrets of better methods of healing people. There's also the Occultist, who just wants to be a good warrior to make his ancestors proud, and is a generic adventurer type. Both are half-elves,
because I'm an uncreative hack, and in a gestalt, they would be mashed together and he'd be conflicted between his family's lineage of warriors and his desire to be a good doctor

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>>54408213

What sort of people were his family, that someone would go so far as to kill them and burn down their home?

>>54406318
>>54405960
You know what, fuck it. I'm gonna try and build one of these later.

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As promised, a rather sadly done sketch of a foxtits bathing the party witch taken with a stupidphone from brushpen on standard 50 lb press whitre paper in a dark room.

She doesn't seem to be happy about something.

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>>54408364

Vivisectionist is always fun, though I don't have much experience with Occultist. It sounds like a solid concept, though-are there many other gestalts you're keen on?

Vanishing trick is pretty much the ninja stable, but seems like 6 ki points won't do much

>>54408448
Nice.

>>54408526
Unchained rogue taking minor and major magic is far more effective - minor magic is at will, major magic is 1/point of int bonus per day, min 1/d. Take the vanish spell and it works at the rogues level.

>>54408266
Sure. The Ungermaw/Aberrant is an old idea I had for a character raised by a cult to be host to an eldritch horror. I considered applying for ROTJR with an older non-Ungermaw version of the character but I pussied out.

The Gingerbread Witch is a generally good person whos tiefling impulses mixed with her Gluttony patron makes her think of others in terms of food at inappropriate times. I imagine her as a spherecaster who uses Creation to create rock candy barriers and molasses traps.

The Vivisectionist/Chirugeon mostly came about because I think it's hilarious that the good doctor archetype and Dr. Moreau archetype are completely compatible. He's a traveling doctor who wanders around and heals people to try and make up for her past as a mad scientist.

>>54408215
The Iron Gods game doesn't allow Gonzo stuff and Carnal Crown doesn't allow DSP for whatever reason. Might go with the alchemist though.

>>54407966
Urgathoan cleric who carries his beloved sister's skull around with him everywhere.

>>54408448
>you will never be bathed by foxtits and feel her amazing chest and fluffy tails pressed against you while she scrubs you clean.

Why live

>>54408448
>She doesn't seem to be happy about something.
The boner?

>>54407966
Octopusgirl bookworm. I really enjoyed her. It was a campaign with a bunch of custom monstergirl races, and I tried exploring the "race designed as a weapon" angle, but everybody just wanted to fuck. It broke down pretty quickly.

Ungermaw member of the antimagic division sent out with a team to take down illegal casters.

Zatoichi iaijutsu practitioner.

>>54408448
Cute

>>54408448
That's really damn cute, anon.

Next, do the witch taking revenge on the foxtits by brushing her fluffy tail with zero restraint.

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>want to play a natural attack build
>want to play Iron Gods
>don't want to break teeth on robot faces

Is a nat attack build even viable in Iron Gods?

>>54408799
Use Broken Blade to ignore hardness.

>>54408799
Of course! Just play a shark girl.

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>>54408643

How did his sister lose her head?

>>54408799
Feral Gnasher could get the job done.

>>54408799
yeah you just need to get around DR somehow.

>>54408161
To defend this, this is all by choice

I don't consider the answer to any of those 5 questions something that will be relevant to the future of the campaign, honestly they're not very important things to ask. Does knowing why Cynn is in numeria really add anything? Not really.

>>54408799
Monks get adamantine fist....at highewr levels. Although the Unchained Monk can take Breaking Punch and fuck shit up with their flurry attack by 5th level. I did a bvery good job dismantling a tank in personaal combat in Rasputin Must Die using an unchained monk.

Also shocked the hell out of myself by one-rounding a boogyman, which a monk couldn't do, but unchained monk with minimal optimization can apparently do with lots of damage to spare.

ok so Its not explicitly stated on the pfsrd page but do android spellcasters have to sleep or not?

>>54408911
Yes.

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>>54408823
gods
>shark-type merfolk
>natural attack biter
>loses her teeth every combat and whines a little about it
>grows them back in the span of seconds
>nibbles playfully on party members as a sign of affection

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>>54408823
>tfw no mask to transform into a busty shoanti barbarian sharkgirl
>tfw can't bully the party alchemist this way
>tfw going to riddleport
>tfw begging GM to include Majora's Mask-style masks because they're SO COOL