MTG Commander/EDH General

>>54396609
Is it considered bad manors to go after one person until they die? I'm new to the format and even the game so I'm just curious.

>>54396609
After quite a bit of consideration, I've decided to try stripping my Eight and a Half-Tails deck and building Sigarda Enchantress. Suggestions for neat (ideally powerful) interactions? Or should it mainly be the legacy staples with Sigarda swinging to win and Sigil/Ascension as alternate win conditions?

I'm keeping 8.5+CoP because I like it as a flexible, midrangey strategy and because it can be tutored with the same cards that find the other two-card combos I enjoy: Melira+Unlife to eke out a few extra turns in a pinch (which can be a bit more durable in Enchantress), and Linvala+Living Plane.

>>54396666
nice quads

Depends on the boardstate. Most of the time though, its a bad idea, but that's the consequence of politics in the board. Even if you think its a bad idea, a player will go after a specific opponent just because of a grudge.

>>54396666
I don't think focusing on one target has anything to do with the quality of your house

>>54396666
Depends on the context.

If it's just some guy who happened to ding you first, it's considered really poor form and generally dumb. If it's because the player has the highest potential for a combo relative to their boardstate and commander, it's probably fine. If it's motherfucking Tim, and you hate his guts, it's either perfectly fine, or incredibly poor form. If you don't want to come in last, it's also fine.

>>54396692
Have you considered Uril instead?

Sigarda's good and all, but Uril is literally the best voltron commander in the game, with access to every half-decent aura ever printed.

>>54396666
i'm relatively new to the format and no matter what i do people seem to complain.

>turn 2 and i'm the only person with a creature
>attack player who i perceive as the biggest threat
>deals 2 damage
>"woah way to be aggro."

eventually i have to kill these people to win. i don't understand why i'm not supposed to attack defenseless players. many people play very few creatures and i kind of feel like they should have to deal with the ramifications of that.

>>54396749
Not so much a fan. I'd rather keep it two colors for one thing, and I'd rather not draw so much aggro from the table. It's not a problem everywhere I play, but I'd see it happening often enough to be annoying as hell.

Besides, I already have Breya as a "let's fucking go m8" deck.

>>54396785
There are a large number of people who play commander solely to build up pillowforts and do nothing for 30 turns while they set up a sick combo to kill everyone else in one turn. If you put those players on any sort of a clock they freak out

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/athreos-god-of-pissing-my-play-group-off-1/

Genuinely concerned about my land and apostle count. Thoughts? Any cool includes I missed?

>Remove all the Reanimator shit you fag
NEVER

>>54396609
>>Thread Question:
>How political are you? What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
Not very political, I tend to spend the entirety of games avoiding making enemies. I dislike how wrathful I am, if anyone shits on me even a little bit I will beat them into the dirt with a huge grudge. It's strange because outside of the game I do not have anger issues at all.

>>54396749
Except for Corrupted Conscience, but Sigarda doesn't help with that. For that you need Bruna.

>>54396803
To be fair, I have an Uril deck that does literally nothing but gather dust. It's powerful, it's consistent, it's pretty cheap to build, and it's boring as all fuck to play.

If you want to go enchantress, and two colour with white, you're pretty much stuck with Selenya because green's enchantment support is just too good. Hero of Iroas, Agathoian Enchantress, Herald of the Pantheon, Messa Enchantress and Ancestral Mark are pretty self-explanatory. I think Gaddok Teeg could be a fun voltron deck, or you could run Selvala, Explorer Returned and go for big enchantments instead of voltron things. Sigarda paints a pretty big target, particularly if someone plays black, and those dudes tend to be pretty edgy as it is. Choosing between Sigarda and Uril is easy, you pick Uril because he's better, despite being three colours, considering all the aggro you draw.

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>>54396666
Like most people are saying, it depends.
If you're focusing down someone who's new, or not a threat while the pillowfort/combo player goes off in the corner during their solitaire game, then yeah. You're kind of being a dick. However, if I see certain commanders, no matter how the player is doing/how well they're ramping I'm going to kill them first. Examples of this are Skullbriar and Kaalia. I've had bad times with Skullbriar not being put in check.

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>>54396609
>(((Politics)))

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>>54396929
I want to build a really political, Godfather themed deck with him.
>"Yeah, I can pacify that Blightsteel swinging on you, but what can you do for me?"

>>54396609
>Thread Question
I like to think I don't play politics unless I am in imminent danger of death. Otherwise I just deal with threats as they come and focus on whoever seems like the biggest threat at the time.

Unfortunatly I have taken up the mantle of having to deal with the guy who can spend the most on cards, so every week its a new uphill battle of shit. It sucks considerably because I can't afford new shit constantly, and at this point I feel like I am not even playing magic, just trying to stop someone else from playing it. It's a catch 22 though cuz if I stop and just focus on my line of play hes always going to win quicker by virtue of having stronger/lower costed/better suited combo pieces than me. I know I will get lucky and occasionally have better draws/luck, but he always plays competitively so his decks are never 75% even when he claims they are. I've never seen him build a deck that wasnt the strongest edh staples all jumbled together plus whatever shit I can't afford on top. Hell I wouldnt be surprised if he showed up with a Gaea's Cradle soon and just off handedly say hes not going to get to use it, then proceed to tutor it up immediatly. I am pretty close to just calling it quits until I get a better job and can afford to build new decks instead of trying to piece out better things every so often for the 3 I already have.

>>54396958
Minds Aglow, Alliance of Arms, Tempt with Reflections, Split Decision, Custodi Squire, Council's Judgement.

>>54396899
Ya, but I can just run Grafted Exoskeleton and tutor it up.

Alternatively, triumph of the hordes is pretty nice.

>>54396995
in my playgroup people have foil gaea's cradles and fucking guru lands. meanwhile i'm playing budget.

i. feel. your. pain.

I don't like that I go easy on people but it goes against what I believe. i don't feel good absolutely annihilating someone unless is on retribution for them being asholes.

I like that I can have fun even playing against tax and stacks. I just start an interesting side conversation when eggs player goes off and make stasis players play out their decks.
I love to deny concessions on hard control guys.

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/tg/, I need your help.

I'm building Naya Hatebears. What good red hate cards do you know of?

I currently have:

Harsh Mentor
Vexing Shusher
Stigma Lasher
Tunnel Ignus
Viashino Heretic
Zo-zu the punisher
Urabrask the Hidden

>>54396609
>Thread Question
I'm the nonstupid warchief. I don't like playing smirky Johnny generals, but I'm building my big army and I negotiate to know who I'm swingin' at. Usually not someone with the potential the Wrath the fuck out of my army.

Angry Omnath is a cool Timmy commander that is surprisingly political. When you have a bunch of Elementals in your board, people think twice before clearing it and you might even strike some cool deals.

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>>54397235

>friend says I match the Dimir as a person

I've been playing magic for about a week, what does that mean

>>54397334
You're an edgy faggot

>>54397334
He thinks you're a beta cuck too afraid to say what you really feel. So you always hide behind secrets and lies.

>>54397334
He thinks you steal shit

>>54397235

>using the wrong link on purpose

https://discord.gg/4f4gs

>>54396609
>How political are you? What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
I'm not at all. I play everything at face value, evaluate the board objectively, and dispense justice indiscriminately.

I like that people respect and fear me. They know I'm going to do something crazy, and they also know I'm going to blow up your best thing, so people tend to play tactfully around it. Everyone saves removal for me, everyone waits until I've used my removal before playing something valuable, and everyone knows getting me extra lands, discard triggers, or extra cards is a death sentence.

That being said, I wish I was more political. I rarely win in a game of attrition because I draw too much hate. The best case scenario is finding someone else who draws more hate than I do, then letting them stall until I can win the game.

>>54397334

He wants to make you wear a pretty dress and lewd panties and double sleeve his thick tuned deck in your boipucci.

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>>54397468

>I like that people respect and fear me. They know I'm going to do something crazy, and they also know I'm going to blow up your best thing, so people tend to play tactfully around it. Everyone saves removal for me, everyone waits until I've used my removal before playing something valuable, and everyone knows getting me extra lands, discard triggers, or extra cards is a death sentence.

Is this copypasta? It's the most autistic thing I have read since re mach.

>>54397428
I stopped making the OPs just for these little moments here. A hundred generals later and it still gets under your skin.

>>54397334
This is as good a starting point as any
>Favorite color combo
>Color combo you think suits your personality best

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>>54397494
Nope, no copypasta, simply the unmitigated truth. I am the law, bringer of pain, judge of the table. If you want to succeed, you play fairly and equally, or you and your "politics" will feel the terrible power of justice.

For example, someone in my playgroup made the awesome decision to play Armageddon. The next game, Brago exiled every single thing they played, and I countered all of their spells until they simply gave up and learned their lesson.

>>54397238
>red hate bears
blood moon

>>54396785
I'm the guy you replied to and I've noticed people get really pissy when I have the ability to kill them, not even when I'm just focusing on taking one person out. If I have the ability to kill the person they always take it really fucking personally. This is why I haven't killed a single person yet in about 2 months of playing.

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>>54397348
>>54397349
>>54397356
>>54397474
I'm assuming that the dimir aren't very well liked then

>>54397566
imo if you can kill somebody you should always do it immediately. ending games quickly means you can play more games. if people get upset when they lose that is an issue with them and nobody else.

>>54397560
maybe that's why everyone tries to kill you mr. edgelord man

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>>54397560

You might have the 'tism m9

>>54397564
Yeah I was debating that and magus, but ill maybeboard them for now.

>>54397238

Ruric thar
Stoneshaker shaman

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>>54397560
>you unironically share a general with this person

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I've done it guys, I know exactly how to use Mannichi the Fevered Dream. The solution was so simple and obvious. Building the deck now.

>>54397590
No, they're awesome, it's just they aren't a good set of personality traits to have your friends associate with you.

Izzet players are the most hated, because every one of them is an autistic retard who thinks he's unique for using the exact same cards that every other one of them is also using.

>>54397627
No, they rarely try to kill me. They simply wait until they know I can't answer their threats, and act accordingly. It's no different than I would do, I just want things to be fair and equal for all. Most of my games are relatively simple: everyone builds a boardstate; someone gets something good; I blow everything up and; the table slowly resolves with one person being declared the winner. It's a solemn task to administer justice, it wasn't the path I chose, rather the path that chose me.

>>54397631
I believe it's m8, as in mate. Like a pirate, but with a number instead of the "ate" because it's a homophone.

>>54397542
I really like esper, and my friends identify me as esper, so I guess thats who I am.

>>54397638
blood moon instantly kills 50% of edh players from my experience. most people run almost exclusively non-basics. most people don't play red. and most people don't run enchantment removal.

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>>54397704

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>>54397704

>>54397704
run exclusively 0 power creatures and then kill them all to trigger an effect?

>>54397238
Vryn Wingmare
Thalia (both)
Duergar Hedge-Mage
Hushwing Gryff
Hokori
STRANGLEHOLD, NIGGA

>>54396609
> Thread question

Hell no, I'm usually too busy playing balls to the wall to bother with politics. It always comes back to bite me in the ass though. I play very aggressively so I'm almost always public enemy #1 at the table. I'll never stop with my big, dumb, flashy plays tho.

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>>54397560
Imagine being this desperate to sound cool and feel like people give a shit about you

>>54397542
I haven't really played enough white and green yet, but it's probably Grixis on both accords.

>>54396609
>How political are you?
Depends on the deck. My old Gwafa deck and my current Dralnu deck are generally pretty political/interactive, brokering is fun in those. Otherwise not really.
>What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
My group is VERY Timmy, and I am a Johnny to my core, so my "pull a win out of nowhere" type of decks make people nervous and lend to attacking me a lot. I understand why though.

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>>54397760
No, I do that to my opponents.

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>>54397474

>>54397542
>Favorite color combo
Grixis
I love casting the value and tempo spells, getting them back, casting them again and exiling them to pay for other spells. The way grixis can interact to well with all of the resources presented to them; hand, gy, life and board is just to fun.

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>buy fucking 4 commander decks
>can't even smash them into a viable deck without buying fucking singles

>>54397542
>Favorite color combo
RED
>Color combo you think suits your personality best
RED

I like being woefully inadequate at almost everything, but doing a few things extremely well

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>>54396609
>How political are you? What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
Not very. I usually just try to keep whoever is my biggest threat at the moment down myself if possible.

I tend to get pretty salty if I'm not representing any threat and people at the table still target me over those that are likely to win. Some of my friends regard me as "the best" amongst us, and I guess sometimes they have it in their head that they should take me out, even if it costs them the game.

Anyway, here's a card I feel is underused for Black. It really messes with a lot of decks.

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>Got Scarab god in a fatpack last weekend
>Threw that shit into Sultai Zombies right away
>Did a draft today
>Pack 1 Pick 1 Scarab God

That's cool and all but what do I do with a second one?

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Give me some hot suggestions on cards that synergize well with Alesha. I like the idea of babby reanimator and figure it wont put a big target on my back.

Ways to get things in the graveyard, fun dudes to pull out of it, and ways to protect alesha

Also, anybody who actually uses this commander have opinions on it?

Why is Ephara so underplayed? Is it because she's competing for that meme blink position with Brago, and Brago is silly OP as a commander?

The thing is that I want to build blink ETB value stuff, but Roon is too shitty and only used for the colors, while Brago is too good. I might build Ephara anyway because I can just hang back and play passively and reap value, whereas Brago just draws a shitload of aggro even when he's doing goofy stuff

>>54397707
Tell me on the doll where the dragon touched you.

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>thread question
I think people who use politics are just pussies who can't defend them selves

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>>54398198
Oh yeah, the dude next to me opened up an Invocation Consecrated Sphinx. Real fun there.

>>54398211
Hilarious Goblin tribal shite + enchantments and artifacts that strengthen things with one tribal affiliation.

>>54398211
I have one and I have not ever tried to build it, but I know master of cruelties is amazing with it

>>54396995
no one wins in an arms race. even if you do catch up, all that means is that his spike ass will look for new ways to break the format and will soon show up with a food chain deck or something similarly gay af, and at that point you're not playing EDH anymore.

all you can really do is give him a stern talking to

>>54396995
>>54397059
My old playgroup had a couple people old enough to have picked Gaea's Cradles out of actual booster packs. The level of card strength was retarded, so I ended up playing a wacky Izzet infinite damage combo deck so I could win once in a while.

Hey guys its gotten to the point where my collection of magic cards used for EDH has gotten too big to store just in fat pack boxes, I'm using like 5 of those right now and its getting annoying. How do you guys store your cards and can you recommend any storage devices that are good for 100 card sleeved decks?

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>realize group hates my guts when I play Dralnu Doomsday
>take out a bunch of tutors and ways to dig for Doomsday & the piles
>add in mega-jank wincons like making everyone draw a billion cards off a copied Blue Sun's Zenith
>deck is a hundred times more fun as a result

>>54398363
Get some trading card long boxes, they sell them on Amazon for like $1-2 apiece

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>>54398363
available at your game store for like 50 cents a piece

>>54398211
Avalanche Riders
Ravenous Baboons
Fulminator Mage
Goblin Settler
etc.

>>54398349
tell me about your deck anon

kinda go back and forth on deciding if i want galina in my sakashima deck. the best thing about her is she's a combat trick, but i don't want to intimidate people from playing their bombs. though the main issue is paying 5 for a card that does nothing for a whole round -- not even a blocker

>>54398413
>>54398399
What if I'm willing to spend money on something potentially wood-based? Any hard cases you guys know of?

>>54398211
>figure it wont put a big target on my back
If youre running a good Alesha deck people will realize youre the threat as your shit is cheap and quick
The professor did a great deck tech on her \/
https://youtu.be/7pbdXRfwcvk

>>54398474
look into magic suitcases. that dude professor tolarian or whatever made a video about them recently

>>54396609
>thread question
I normally suck at politics but understand that I do. I normally try to gun for pillow fort decks first because they just become a metric pain in the ass later on in the game, but as a consequence that means I have tunnel vision until somebody else's board gets too threatening. Someone can be constantly pinging me and I'll still do everything in my power to go after the pillowfort player.

Additionally, I normally would like to pull backstabs and just around dick moves in general, but I learned after family board games that people have memories that they will burn into their minds and do not forget so I'll just honor any alliance.

How are sliver's generally viewed?

>>54398241
Only if you share your "special tech" so I can laugh.

>>54398777
As a very big, very fragile threat. They can dish incredible amounts of whup-ass and will generally get laser-focused, but they fall apart if they eat enough removal

>>54398777
They're pretty much hated off the table everytime since they spiral out of control very the quickly.

>>54396609
>How political are you?
As political as you can get without heavy table-talk bargaining. I usually play more controlling decks and focus my early game on defense, hoping to redirect attention by being a hard target. I'll often play defensively when I could break out. Somebody does me a solid, I'll spare them at least at first. Somebody fucks with me, they'll get worse back -- then I'll stop. Basically, cooperate until betrayed, retaliate in greater measure to the offense, then resume cooperation.
>What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
I like managing threat analysis more accurate than the technically accurate "Everyone is my enemy and will be destroyed whenever the opportunity arises". I sometimes don't like the passivity, go stir crazy, and break out to become the table archenemy.

>>54398777
people immediately know to target you because one or two slivers with the right keywords and everyone else is fucked, the good thing is that most of the times with those right ones you wont be able to be stopped

Hey anons, anyone up for looking over my Meren list? I'm looking to keep it sub $200 and also not just be Hulk.dek, that's in there in case the game drags out too long.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-07-17-lEa-meren-of-clan-nel-toth/

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>>54397590
>>54397707
>tfw you are selesnya and nobody cares about your hippie guild

>>54398936
More like I can't fucking attack you until I hit you with a boardwipe first.

>>54398936
I'd build the fuck out of Selesnya if I wasn't already trying to diversify the colors I play he says as he has a Roon draft next to him at this very moment

please help, I should find playing black and red fun but I'm just not getting it to click

>>54396609
>How political are you? What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
I'm pretty bad at politics but when I play with less experienced players I like to present myself as an honest competitor any time they get confused by the board state
Ask me what the biggest threats are and I'll probably include my most dangerous bullshit while also arguing in my own defense, like "yeah ashen rider recursion is a bitch but johnny pillowfort/rube Goldberg has problem permanents I need to exile a few times before I'll consider it fair game for you to exile the cat lady, so probably don't think about it"

>>54399027
Lyzolda / Exava persist shenanigans

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Spicy tech for this guy?

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>>54399534
Sundial of the infinite to keep your tokens when they would be sacrificed at your EoT (you can use his ability during the end step of your opponents' turn before yours and still do this)

pic related helps you cycle through your deck and pitch more pieces for his ability

>>54396609
My rule is to reserve at least two slots for group hug cards. They're powerful effects that also improve the mood for everyone and make games faster. What I need to change about my play style is to be less political. I've been unfairly unfairly aggressive toward single players looking back. Even a sliver guy can be valuable as long as you keep him in check.

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>Just spent $30 on buying old-ass Cycling cards to make that budget Zur deck

Fuck Fluctuator though, not spending $10 on a card that only works in a single deck.

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Need some feedback for my Newzuri deck, I know its probably cookie cutter but I would like get an opinion on cards in it
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-sixth-praetor/

>>54396609
>How political are you?
Not very, I don't try to bullshit and let everyone know what will happen if they do something against me
>What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
Like that I can do interesting combinations on my own and dislike that I am unable to decide if I want to be like Timmy or Johnny

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>>54399728

I think Pauper has its own thread if you're looking for a NEET format.

>>54399779
>spending money on deck-specific cards before playtesting

>thread question
i like political bullshit when it involves actual incentives. example: someone has the ability to proliferate onto one of my planeswalkers and i have a benevolent offering in hand. i offer to give them both halves if they proliferate onto my walker. good politics.
if someone tries to make me feel sorry for them and get me to attack somewhere else i kill them.

>>54399779
why does this girl have a big block growing out the back of her head when her face is so round? and the ear should be a bit higher imo.

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>draws one card

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>Love Voltron
>Is easily one of the worst edh archetypes
>Cant stop building decks around it

Any must-takes for pic related? It's kind of an adorable card. Just adding a bunch of black cantrips so far.

>>54397711
You do realize this is not a normal or healthy way to interact with other human beings right? And by that I mean the manner in which you recant your exploits of slapping cardboard on a table and the fanfic level of self image you seem to hold that I hope isn't an example of how you behave at your lgs.

>>54397560
>let's what happened in an earlier game dictate what you do in a later one
Yeah, you're an actual cunt. As if the way you type isn't a good enough indicator.

>>54397560
you aren't and will never be rorschach. how does that make you feel?

>>54399999
Filth + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgamoth

>>54397704
I'll be waiting for a list, anon. My interest is piqued.

>>54399999
hm.

Contagion Clasp & some black walkers?

Shizo, Death's Storehouse

>>54397893
Favorite Grixis commander? I'm looking for something new and Grixis seems just about right.

>>54400113
Jeleva.

>>54400113
Lord of Tresserhorn

>>54397707
>hating glorious Izzet

>>54397590
He was most likely thinking "playstyle" and not "personality". An extremely important distinction.

Dimir goes for a more controlling type of play that often uses your opponents resources against them (stealing opponents creatures, copying spells from their graveyard, discarding cards, unblockable creatures etc).

Personality wise, it would mean you are a backstabbing rogue.

>>54400171
>as a person
Oh wait, just reread it again. Seems like you're just a lying and deceitful edgelord.

>>54400113
Lord of Tresserhorn is the coolest but he seems hard to make work. Tetsuo Umezawa is way easier to make use of and I think he's pretty sweet. OG Bolas is cool as well. I'm actually trying to pick a Grixis general as well right now, since I pulled a Bolas, God Pharoah.

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>>54399999
you might consider a different card, m8

>>54399999
Ravens Crime off the top of my head?

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>Today
>2nd game, it's 1v1 since other players are dead.
>Have hand full of answers but the field is 100% of my opponent and unless I do something i'm 100% dead next turn
>Opponent wheels my hand and I can't do anything about it
>Fuck
>Miraculously get combo pieces I need
>Lack 1 mana
>Opponent taps out, unless he pacts or FoW's it's over
>"THIS IS IT.jpg"
>So focused in landing a land on the last draw
>Don't realize I have Brainstorm in hand
>Forget to Brainstorm at the end of the turn of my opponent
>Don't land the land on the 1st draw
>I look at my hand and finally realize
>Brainstorm
>There it is, the last card of the 3 drawn, a basic forest, mocking me smugly

That's it. I'm too fucking dumb for this game. Every decision on that weird ass game led me to being alive for that moment and I fucking shit the bed on my last play

>>54400243
lord of tresserhorn is a pretty cool steal-and-sac commander in a casual meta. he's also cool because if someone's trying to do something cool you can give them cards

>>54400254
he said it's a cool card not that he wanted to fuck the cat

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>>54400254

If I wanted a general that worked and made sense I would just run skittles like a normal degenerate.

>>54399904
Her ears should absolutly be higher. Ears are usually right at the same height of your eyes. As for the head you could probably say its bunched up hair, but it does look pretty oddly defined for that. It looks just generic enough to be traced from something with a different pose. Almost like the love interest from Case Closed. Also who the fuck is that supposed to be, Janeway?

>>54400285

Sorry m8, you lost completely

Let's say the basic Forest is the 4th card in your deck from up to down. If you brainstorm on the end of your opponent's turn, you get to choose between the first three cards. 1,2 and 3. Forest is number 4, so you don't see it, you return the cards in your hand from which I assume none are lands, and you lose.

Since you brainstormed on your turn, you untap, upkeep, draw the 1st card, and now what's left are cards number 2,3 and 4. And that's what you brainstormed.

You couldn't have won that game, you got rekt

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>>54399980

Locust god is actually fucking terrifying. Wheels on wheels between blue and red, draw effects up the ass(Brainstorm, Remora, Rhystic Study, anything that cycles itself, etc), the bugs have haste and are inmediatly useful or a threat, and the god itself has tax evasion.

It seems underwhelming when all you see is the "Pay 4, cycle, summon 1 bug", but after playing against it I understand that this is the ultimate Izzet commander.

>>54400453
>the god itself has tax evasion

>>54400582

Doesn't he gets sent to the owner's hand from the command zone if he dies? And if you cast the commander from hand you don't have to pay the extra mana for the commander tax. Or am I fucking retarded and the effect doesn't applies if the god is in the command zone after dying?

I honestly don't know but I assumed it was the former

>>54396749
Not the same anon, but I have played both and I personally prefer sigarda mainly for the anti-sacrifice part. It prevents blowouts from what I consider being the main way to stop the deck. But others in this thread are very correct that the deck play is very linear and draws a lot of hate once people can see what it does. However, the turns where you make sigarda a 23/23 flier out of nowhere and kill someone are great.

>>54400113
Grixis, the best colors for storm, works surprisingly well in EDH, can ussually combo off turn 5, end up going for something like 40 storm count and killing the whole table. or perhaps doomsday, or other wacky antics.

>>54400619
he inky costs 6 each time i just thought accusing an insectile monstrosity of tax evasion was funny

>>54396609
"politics" is just a word that EDH players use to justify running bad cards that help their opponents.

If you have a group hug deck and you've unironically said "but mine is different, I use politics to control the table while I put together my combo" you should kill yourself

>>54400171
Found the autist.

>>54400748
Ok

>>54400619
Whenever a commander would be set to any zone other than the battlefield, you can choose instead to move it to the command zone. Whenever a commander is cast from the command zone, you add a 2 Generic cost to the casting cost for each time that commander has been cast before.

This means, when the Locust God would die, you can instead send it to the command zone. If you do so, it isn't considered to have died, and won't trigger abilities that require things to enter the graveyard, including its own. You keep it in the graveyard instead of moving it to the command zone. When it's return to hand ability activates, you get another choice. Instead of sending it to your hand, you can send it to the command zone. You decline, and it goes to your hand.

You then cast it. Because you're not casting from the command zone, you use the normal casting cost.

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>>54400453
But you know what makes papa roach real disgusting opposition and mind over matter. Papa roach is now my favorite and most competitive deck.

>>54399579
That art is so terrible

Can they bring back hand drawn pieces? The kind of stuff I wouldn't mind framed

>>54400888
I like he derpy grin and cute beard

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>>54400837

If I cast from hand, does that increase the tax too?

If I have a 4CMC commander, it dies once, it's now 6 mana. I send it to hand with, let's say, Command Beacon.
Cast for 4 from hand, dies.
The next time I cast it from the command zone does it cost 6 mana or 8?

>>54400748
(You)

>>54401008
every time it goes to the command zone it gets a bump

going to your hand, or your graveyard, or your deck does nothing.

>>54401018
This is wrong. It's every time it is cast from the command zone. The tax also only applies when casting from the command zone.

>>54401008
>>54401008
>>54401018
Only casts from the command zone increase the tax. Entering the command zone doesn't increase the tax.

Consider Derevi. Using her ability does not increase the command tax, because it isn't being cast. If you only ever used her ability to put derevi straight onto the battlefield, then your opponents could murder Derevi a thousand times in a row. She still costs her base cost to cast, and her ability will always cost the same as it ever did.

>>54399775

For infect I like Triumph of the Hordes. It's scummy but it fits the deck too much.

You need more draw. Cold-eyed Selkie, Edric, Mystic Remora, Rhystic Study, Skullclamp.

More dorks and less lands. They become big guys in that deck and are much more useful than in others. No reason to not run them

People underestimate counters. Patagia viper comes with the deck and it's preety cheap resourcewise for 3 +1/+1. Deranged hermit costs 10$ but it's 5 fucking exp counters the turn after Ezuri enters.

Run more tutors

I had a guy rage quit on me because I Mindslavered him, used his own kill spell on his general, sent it to the graveyard, then used my own Tormod's Crypt to exile his graveyard and let the general go to exile permanently. The game was almost over anyways, but this dude is always bitching about tiny things and is generally unpleasant to play with so I just enjoyed fucking him over.

is drawing smut of one or more of the corrupted gods socially acceptable

>>54401064
I had a guy rage lose on me because he was being attacked by a third player's commander for non lethal damage. He didn't block and I cast hatred on the commander to make it lethal command damage.

Another guy rage lost on me because I did something very similar with tainted pact one day.

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>>54400708

>turn 5

Oh sweetie, I have some bad news.

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>>54401096
Wizards was ahead of you, pal

>>54401099
>sweetie meme
>>>/tv/
>unrelated anime loli b8
>>>/a/
www.fbi.com/turnyourselfin

Also, turn 5 is reasonable in competitive metas, given the prevalence of highly competitive control cards and stax.

>>54400708
List or I call you out for being a casual.

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>>54401160
>it's another "anime is for /a/" post
You must be new here.

>>54401179
Anime is for /a/ /tg/ is for traditional games. How retarded do you have to be to not understand the board is broken into sections for a reason.

>4Chan started as an anime image board!

Yes, and then it changed. If you start a thread on /v/ about your favorite work out routine you it gets deleted and you might get banned because that shit is for /fit/

The guy you're responding to is an idiot though because you can use anime pictures to respond to anything

It still makes you a cancerous faggot though

>>54401097
Watching people who rage get mad about something you did to them is very satisfying. If they're going to try to ruin my game with their bad attitude, I'll just target them and make them even madder.

This same dude will literally clap his hands out of excitement if he gets his Scion dragon combo to one-shot someone but will tell you to go fuck yourself if you do anything at all that affects his boardstate. I avoid him at this shop unless playing with him is the only way I can get a game.

Thankfully he's shit at building decks and seems to sit through every game missing one of his colors and complaining about getting mana screwed.

>>54401153
The monument slays me every single time
>OwO

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>>54401179
>it's another "/a/ is the heritage of 4chan" post

go post on one of the containment boards you dumb idiot

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>>54401299

I only rage if I'm targeted for no reason.

For example if both Zur and Scion are out and I cast my fucking Daxos and it gets removed, I'm mad not because I can't play, but because the other guy either has a grudge or is a complete fucking idiot with no sense of threat assessment

And I don't even rage, I just stay calm and say like "u serious m8" while screaming internally

>>54401325
>blue/white humans
??? you mean taigam? he's in the dragon one you fool of the world and he's fucking ridiculously powerful

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>check mythic spoiler because I hear commander 2017 cards leaked
>not many but a few

Holeee shit they are fucking trash.
>rainbow power dragons
>green white cats
>blue white humans

Oh fucking wow WOTC really original. I could have sworn you faggots said you were going to put twists on popular tribals and I haven't seen jack shit from this. After that shit show last year I'm surprised you didn't gut out the EDH team entirely but if the rest of the sets are going to be like these shitty cards you might as well just stop doing yearly EDH packs and stick to making more legendary creatures with unique abilities in box sets.

FUCK ME.

>>54401339
>Azorius humans
>when Taigam explicitly works with Dragons and is strong in his own right

3/10 see me after class

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>>54401339
you really deleted your entire post and remade because of a few typos?

>>54401347
yep

>>54401339
The U/W human has to be in the dragon deck, because he makes it so instants, sorceries, and DRAGON spells can't be countered.

That being said, my hopes aren't high seeing as how we only get 4 this year and one of them is fucking cats.

>>54401350
i can respect that actually

>>54401354
phone posting is shit, man. I'm bed though and comfortable.

>>54401331
There's a dude who who will hold grudges from games that happened weeks ago but I think he's a little socially incompetent and is trying to make it come off as banter or some shit like that so I kind of feel a little bad for him.

And yeah "bad thread assessment" is a big meme now but it really is the most infuriating thing in this format. Animar is about to start his turn with 4 counters already and my fucking Combustible Gearhulk gets Pognified.

>>54396609

>Rakdos, Lord of Riots
Politics? Who needs politics when I've got demons, eldrazi, and a giant pile of enchantments that makes life suffering for everyone.

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>>54396666
>bad manors

>>54401363
playing with bad players is the worst
>neheb player resolves neheb
>green player beast withins my batterskull because "this is the last opportunity i'll have to kill it"
>we all die immediately afterwards

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Made a deck for Ramos. r8 m8s
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ramos-pseudo-abzan-1/

>>54401392
This made me laugh more than it should have.

>>54397542
I really like playing izzet and grixis, but my personality is more Temur

>>54401382
You do because I run Confusion in the Ranks and Tainted Aether :)

>>54397542
If we're basing it off of what the color pie is supposed to mean, I'm Boros easily. I try to do the right thing as often as possible, but I also don't think anything through and that fucks up my life more than it ever seems to help.

>>54397542
>Favorite color combo
Mardu will always have a place in my heart.
>Color combo you think suits your personality best.
Fuck, I dunno. Temur maybe.

>>54401444
You know you can just add the card instead of having placeholders, right?

>>54401539
Tried it. Didn't work.

>>54397542
Fav to play:Temur

Most similar to irl:Esper(gers)

>O-Kagachi
Can I finally do it, boys?
Can I finally play Iname?

>>54401346
Not him, but I agree: it's still a trashy meme card, just like cat tribal. What we seen so far is too self contained and parasitic.

>a human that cares about dragon spells
>second and third irrelevant creature types slapped on legendaries
>impossible manacosts
>only the main legend refers to the tyoe with ut's mechanic

When they announced tribal I expected cards with good interplay and decks packed with synergies, not ones that are all over the place.

>>54401444
>Whenever you cast a spell, put a +1/+1 counter on Ramos for each of that spell's colors
>Only about half your deck has more than 1 color
You're doing it wrong.
Dish out the dosh for a manabase and run Conflux for instant wins.

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I love the art on this card. Is it a viable commander?

>>54401723
just play mono-white ramp

>>54401723

No, but you could build it anyway if you want.

>>54401670
You're missing the point. In this feck, the aim isn't to put counters on it by playing spells. It's to get counters on it through stuff on the battlefield, so it can be pumped to absurd levels and you can just unload through exsanguinate/debt to the deathless,

>>54401734
Well I'm not a white player and don't know much about it, would I be dead in the water or would I be able to win every once in a while?

>>54401764
White's ramp cards are absurdly expensive since they're basically the color's Doubling Season.
You'll have access to tons of enchantments and board wipes in case things aren't going your way as well.
Getting the win is gonna be all about gritting your teeth and sticking to your guns though, token generators don't do so well when there's 3-4 other players who don't want you having 12 creatures on your board.

>>54401650
>not ones that are all over the place

That's the idea, anon. The point of the commander precons isn't just to make a single deck, they print multiple legendary creatures that encourage different strategies on purpose.

Even in the first series, look at what a deck like Ghave wants to do compared to Karador.

>>54401813
>6 cards spoiled
>everyone's throwing a bitch fit already
It's just run of the course.
We're going to hear a lot of "Magic is DEEEED" for the next month or two.

>>54401742
RTFC
You can only activate it once a turn

>>54401871
A lot of people are going to try to use him for combo but looks like a great janky ass 5-color Vorel deck with Darksteel Reactor, Helix Pinnacle, doubling cube, fist of suns, clearwater goblet

>>54396692
Umbras and indestructible in conjunction with her own anti-sac ability makes only mass bounce effects like cyclonic rift and evacuation and mass tuck effects like hallowed burial and mass exile from say ugin some of the only ways to remove her, run strip mine effects to deal with arcane lighthouses and then all you have to worry about is counterspells so there is cavern of souls and don't forget to run run homeward path in case of gather specimens, I can't think of any hoverbear combos in green white, don't worry about any other creatures things like avacyn or such as they don't do anything for the deck, just the draw trigger off of enchantment guys also pro-creature enchantments to make sure you get through infect is pointless as if you triumph of the hordes and they remove an enchantment or your grafted exoskeleton you just hit them for 9 imaginary damage and contributed nothing to the overall table just your commander damage and infect and you may be the only guy using infect

>>54401764
>>54401803
white's ramp cards are a shitload of mana rocks
the mono-white ramp deck i played for awhile had elesh in the command zone for a little while and the game plan is pretty simple: play elesh norn on turn 2 (sometimes 3) to lock out your opponents' early game then start playing eldrazi and kill them.

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>>54401153

>>54402331
you got a problem with beautiful love between two enormous, evil dieties?

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>>54402346

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>>54402354

Which Niv-Mizzet should I run? In general the tap draw duder looks better but I'm not sure. Dudes only cost a couple of bucks but I'm strapped.

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So I can cast this from my grave with goblin dark dwellers right?

>>54402469
dracogenius is a draw engine for a value deck, while firemind is an outlet for a deck with a lot of card draw. in general i think both are outclassed by El Dios Langosta, but the firemind is definitely the better niv in most situations.

>>54402469
Tap draw is Mizzet is best Mizzet

>>54402599
>>54402597
Thanks duders. A pal of mine got the locust god at a prerelease but it was one of those timestamped ones and he wants max cash.

>>54402576
Yes. CMC is 0, and you cast without paying its mana cost.

>>54402624
Invocation Heuschrecke Gott is only 20 eurodollars, grab one, even if you're in burgerland it's going to be 25 burger dollars tops and the art is amazing

Is there a W or U card that makes you flink all your permanents (not necessarily the lands) until the and of the turn, and not just the creatures like, for example, Ghostway

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>>54402934
Probably only one that exists so far

>>54402934
eerie interlude?

>>54402934
>>54403093
oh i didn't catch the noncreature requirement

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I need high power/low cost creatures for my Saskia deck. Any suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/act-of-agression-1/

>>54403140
If you have recursion of some kind, you might want to look into creatures with echo costs.

>>54403049
Definitely too costly for the tactic I had in mind, but thanks anyway

>>54403170
I don't have a lot of recursion.

>>54401764
I play it in my White-Black Tokens Deck, Elesh norn is only good when you or your opponent are going wide with small creatures, but not sure how she is as commander

>>54397542
Esper, followed by orzhov.

orzhov.

>building azorius blink & etbs
>go through magiccards.info and realize there are maybe 12 impactful ETBs in azorius total

i guess i'll just put in a bunch of clone creatures? might as well copy ETBs from other colors instead

>>54403641
It depends on what you mean by impactful
There are a ton of good ETB Azorius cards, to the point that there is a deck geared around them
What were you looking for?

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>>54397560
Holy shit, this fucking guy. Thank goodness I don't have to play with someone like you on a regular basis.

>>54403641
What? There are a lot more than twelve, depending on what you want to do.

What is it that you want to do?

>>54403641
How about impactful white or blue ETBs?

They don't have to be azorius.

>>54403678
Stuff like Reclamation Sage, Acidic Slime and Noxius Gearhulk, really. My deck has some issues dealing with threats since all the ETBs in Azorius are either 1) cards & value or 2) temporary removal, like bounce or o-ring effects

I managed to find some goofy ways of dealing with threats though, like Ixidron and Duplicant but I feel like the deck would be a thousand times better with green splashed for ETBs

>>54403711
Use Strionic Resonator and turn the temporary removal into a definitive one

What's an interesting take on Jeskai that's not Narset, Zedruu, or Shu Yun?

>>54396609
>How political are you? What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
Politics is a crutch for bad threat assessment
I like the decks I build, they are powerful and wonky compared to cookie cutter versions you find at LGSs
What I don't like is my inability to remember certain things like that I have a card with flashback in the yard or missing some non obvious infinite i have jonny'd my way into
Pretty much I can build decks but never pilot them

>>54403739
make Shu Yun but don't make him voltron/spellslinger. You're not going to find many answers when you cut out the 3 major commanders of the color spectrum.

>>54403739
That gaint whose name I forgot. Take some azorius slow-down fuckery and combine it with this giant who just fucks around.

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>>54398936
>nobody cares about your hippie guild
No
No
We are still relevant! I swear!
I never pick up wins just because nobody sees me as a threat, for serious!

>>54403739
Numot USA tribal.

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>>54403711
>2) temporary removal
Nevermore, Phyrexian Ingester, Exclusion Ritual and Duplicant, like you mentioned, can permanently exile most things with a flicker. Palace Jailer is fantastic in Brago because your creatures get vigilance, which means it's difficult for people to ding you with combat damage. Bounce is only temporary in the sense people can recast their stuff, but it requires additional investments each turn, which completely fucks over their curve. There's a reason people hate Cyclonic Rift, and why Capsize is so highly valued. Hoverguard Sweepers is multiple bounce on a body, which can be good depending on what you're looking for.

Really, you're playing UW, you have Swords, Path, Counterspells out the ass, Descend Upon the Sinful, Disk, Magus of the Disk, and Tragic Arrogance. You should never have a problem removing anything.

>>54403826
i'm not building flying cancer boy so flickering noncreatures is going to be difficult. i'm doing ephara and hoping to answer threats for free (since all my creature answers cantrip)

honestly my deck is turning out fairly good now that i'm optimizing it a bit, and it's actually probably for the best that it isn't too strong (i want to avoid that annoying UW blink stigma)

>>54403847
>flying cancer boy
Poor Brago, what has he ever done to you to deserve such an harsh treatment?

>>54403826
>>54403847
i forgot to say thanks for the advice though, so thanks. i'll probably do a mix of creature value and good UW instants. it's not like i'm always going to draw into vedalken orrery anyway

UW is such an aesthetic color combo yo (when you don't just use it to get your hands on brago)

>>54403870
funny you should mention that, i played against brago in a 1v1 at an LGS in like a sort of a pseudo tournament. i was playing a mega casual kokusho reanimator deck with very little interaction, and he was playing a 1000 dollar brago stax deck. i got rekt 2 times in a row super hard

however after those 2 games, i brought out my now defunct xenagos deck and ooga booga'd him with a ruric thar and soul fire, so it wasn't all bad

but i decided i never wanted to build brago anyway because i just don't like the commanders that are "if you let me attack once, i win" since they just either win or lose on turn 4

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>>54403847
Whatever floats your boat senpai. UW always gets a ton of aggro because it's always degenerate. Always.

Now, Daxos of Melitis is fantastic, and I suggest using it whenever you can. Ephra is pretty meh/10. I mean, you'll draw a couple cards, but Isperia is pretty much more fun, despite the higher casting cost.

>>54403907
>casting ruric thar before $1000 brago stax sets up a lock
I'll take things that never happened for $600, Alex? I have that deck, it's pretty much "tutor winter orb, tangle wire, deal combat damage once, then instantly win", or alternatively "tutor strionic resonator, any rock that makes 2 mana, and combo off like a motherfucker during combat".

>>54403821
>destroy other's lands
>USA
Checks out

>>54403931
>I'll take things that never happened for $600, Alex? I have that deck, it's pretty much "tutor winter orb, tangle wire, deal combat damage once, then instantly win", or alternatively "tutor strionic resonator, any rock that makes 2 mana, and combo off like a motherfucker during combat".

Not that guy, but it's not like it'd be impossible to cast Ruric Thar by turn 3 or even turn 2 if they got lucky with a Sol Ring or something.

>>54403931
>Ephra is pretty meh/10
she suits my needs perfectly. i love playing creatures, i love value plays, and i love answering threats. and no really, she doesn't seem to draw aggro like other UW commanders because she doesn't work well with counterspells or stax and so on. i do wish she cost like 5-6 mana and let you flash out spells with an activated ability, but alas

daxos seems kinda interesting and fun too because of the constant value from swings, but ephara works better with blink and is really resilient to board wipes and stuff.

i also honestly think ephara would win me more games in my meta because my meta loves to spot remove commanders at instant speed

>>I'll take things that never happened for $600, Alex?

it actually did happen, it was just huge luck on my part and shitty draws on his part. i think i ramped like

>turn 1 birds
>turn 2 cultivate
>turn 3 explosive vegetation/skyshroud claim
>turn 4 ruric thar and other bullshit

on his side, he draw no ramp and tapped himself out to cast brago on turn 4, and then realized he couldn't attack because lmao ruric has reach. then he had no removal on hand for ruric, and took tons of damage while trying to draw answers for it, and i just smashed him to death.

>>54401832
I don't think magic is dead I just think a portion of the developers, currently EDH developers, are incompetent.

>>54403773
Well, I was wondering what the characteristics of the wedge even are, since the three most popular commanders are build-arounds.

>>54403792
>>54403821
Ruhan and Numot both lend themself to a sort of control-beatdown strategy, so I'll probably go from there.

>>54396609
>How political are you? What do you like and what do you dislike about your playstyle?
im political but its not like my overall style of play. politics can be fun but i feel like people get way to up their own ass with politics sometimes

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Anyone have any spicy BUG mill tech? I plan on doing a wheels into wheels sort of deal with some support reanimator, but I'm a little stumped on how to be consistent. It seems the deck is either incredibly degenerate, or I get fucked by milling all my reanimator/recursion, and relying on Mimeoplasm to maybe do something.

>>54396958
you totally should, gwafa is super fun

>>54404040
Wedges philosophy is basically "enemy color combo + allied color to the main one"
So Sultai for example is Golgari+U, B is the main color and in fact you get graveyard shenanigans with some U effects added in
Jeskai is Izzet+W, U is the main color
Mardu is Boros+B, R is the main color
Abzan is Orzhov+G, W is the main color
Temur is Simic+R, G is the main color

>>54403999
Hopefully Return to Dominaria will be the next "good" set to hype people up with Richard Garfield helping out.
Commander precons need to start including more weird, build-around commanders. The partners and 4-color legends last year were all fairly generic (though Yidris was admittedly a bit interesting), and it would be nice to have some new archetypes appear.

>>54404040
America's aspect is always having a solution to any trouble permanent. White exile, red damage, and blue bounce, and ways to get around hexproof and protection. The problem is that's not very good in multiplayer, and it doesn't really synergize with any of the USA commanders.

>>54401099
It can go off sooner, just not as reliably. A draw engine consisting of wheels and Ad Nauseum, bunch of artifact ramp, lots of digging (ponder, preordain, impulse, the likes), tutors. GY recursion in the form of Yawgwin, and past in flames, minimal creatures (Labman, guttersnipe (he can kill a whole table while storming out/digging, and reduces the storm count by 1/2 effectively), Notion Thief), bunch of rituals, and Tendrils of Agony. It also includes a couple other combo engines, like Mind over Matter. This is backed up by a few counterspells, just those necessary.

>>54404198
Its still a work in progress, still need to work on the manabase a bit, which means i need like 5 more fetchlands, and the duals in my colors, but I'm a broke college student.

>>54404190
>year 2017
>still having faith in WOTC
They're just gonna make it extremely bland with a dumb gimmick like "if a player has cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, do x" or something retarded like timing matters gimmick.
And they do this while shitting on Time Spiral block

>>54404190
Hopefully it has callbacks to older cards, including the P9?

>>54404247
Do you know how Wizards can easily make the set good?

Print 10 cards worth over $20, 6 mythics, 3 rares, and an uncommon. Consistent, powerful nonsense costed aggressively with much more time invested into them to make sure they have good flavour and fantastic art.The rest of the set can be the normal garbage water, but if you go in thinking you're going to get $200 on a box, most people will be happy. If all the other cards have decent art and flavour, mechanically they can be dull as a post, and people will lap it up as the best set since Dragons.

>>54404272
All I want is mentions to the characters, what Teferi up to now that he lost his spark? Which Braids survived the mending, the blue or the black one? Stuff like that. I'd say I want cards too but my fear of another Ulrich or Ludevic is too big.

>>54404313
Ixalan looks promising though, at least from what i've seen

>>54404313
if they dont reprint a bunch of shit from urza block ill probably be dont with wizards forever and only ever buy from the secondary market

>>54396785
You seem to be playing with absolute babies who don't like losing life in a format where life is pretty much your most plentiful resource.

Ususally, the best way to get in some early creature damage is to spread the love. In my Hapatra deck, I'm likely going to attack each player in turn during the early game to generate -1/-1 counters, so one person doesn't feel like they're being given a huge disadvantage and I get some chip damage on everyone to help me set up a 1-hit ko later.

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>>54401650

>a human that cares about dragon spells
Oh man how disgusting. Let's not forget about all the Dragon-focused humans in the latter half of Tarkir block
>second and third irrelevant creature types slapped on legendaries
Wasitora and the Nekoru were always cat dragons (Neko Ryu) because they came from the same part of Dominaria Tetsuo Umezawa resided on.

If the Scion of the Ur-Dragon can be a Dragon Avatar, why can't The Ur-Dragon himself?

O-Kagachi was the strongest Kami on Kamigawa, being a spirit has him fit with the rest of them, and he'll work better as Spirit Tribal than Dragon tribal anyways.

>impossible manacosts
Yeah 4WUBRG for a 10/10 flyer is sooooooo hard to get out in a format that thrives on infinite mana combos.

>only the main legend refers to the type with it's mechanic
Going off the dragon set since all we know about cat tribal is the box legend, Ur-Dragon, Wasitora, and Taigam do something with Dragons. Ramos is more focused on playing multicolor spells (Which is kinda decent OoB since we know the Dragons box comes with all 5 FRF Dragonlords, Scion, Crosis, Intet, Bladewing, and a few other multicolor dragons). O-Kagatchi is admittedly just around as a cheaper 5-Color alternative for the deck if you don't want to use Ur-Dragon. There's only so many dragons WTC can reprint without raising the aftermarket of this set too high (I was hoping for a Karrthus reprint but I guess I have to wait another day for that) so you get shit like Spellbound Dragon and Hellkite's Familiar

tl;dr, don't be a little bitch because of 5 rares from 1/4th of the decks.

>>54404313
>load all the value into mythic and rare, with a single chump uncommon

No. If wizards wants to make a set that is good again, they need to do two things:

1. Print interesting and good uncommons and commons. No more of this NWO shit where "interesting and good" is reserved for mythics.

2. Print good removal at either common or uncommon again.

I would also like it if wizards would shift some of the power creep back to instants and sorceries, away from creatures, but that isn't strictly necessary.

>>54404482
You're missing the point. They CAN do that, and it'll be good, but why would they if they don't have to? My way was simple, to the point, and something Wizards could maybe get behind because it takes half-an-ass of effort.

>>54404526
You way won't work, because it will just continue the problem with recent standard sets being boring as shit.

>>54404539
Yes, but if they're mechanically geared to new players, who cares?

And standard won be boring, the set will be boring. Standard will be 10 playable cards times each set, which is more than we have now.

Are there actual ways to defeat the Sen Triplets once they have been cast?

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>have 115 cards that are perfect for my deck
>for some reason you can only have 99 cards in your deck
>have to cut out spicy powerhouses like forbid and skullwinder from a deck that loves to discard and recur to make room

fuck this format

Can I sacrifice Meren in response to her trigger and get her back with her own effect?

>>54404609
Literally any kill spell since they have no protection? Are you playing 1v1 or something?

>>54404609
instant speed removal. i know, no one likes playing that

>>54404642
It was just an hypothetical question, but yes, it was meant to be one on one

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>>54404142

Self-mill:
>Deadbridge Chant
>Sultai Ascendancy
>Forgotten Creation

Global mill:
>Undead Alchemist
>Dread Summons
>Extract from Darkness

As for your problem with being self-milled, I recommend pic related

>>54396666
Can't be as bad as the "that guy" from my playgroup
>disrupt his infinite combo before it goes off
>he spends the next 7 games targeting you

>>54404609
>>54404656
any removal spell with the word instant on it

>>54404142
if you want to get only creatures in your grave, you're probably better off using looter effects UNLESS you want to trigger BUG sidisi or waste not or whatever

if you want to mill but don't want to lose your noncreatures, you can run Eternal Witness, Skullwinder, Greenwarden and Archaeomancer to recur that stuff. maybe Tasigur too. there's a bunch of other similar effects that are not tied to creatures, but i prefer creature ETBs since they can be recurred & reanimated themselves

>>54404482
>No more of this NWO shit where "interesting and good" is reserved for mythics.

First, NWO only affects commons.
Second, NWO only affects complexity.
Third, some examples of commons printed under NWO include Cloudshift, Delver of Secrets, Gurmag Angler, Galvanic Blast, and Glistener Elf.

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>>54404726
You've forgotten the exact mechanics of Sen Triples, haven't you?

>>54404754
>3 toughness
>no hexproof

seems like bolt kills it just fine

you simply need the foresight to save 1 mana so you can kill it when it comes out

>>54397468
>>54397560

I love it when I witness the birth of a new copypasta.

>>54404766
I was saying Sorcery removal would work fine, because they don't stop you during your own turn.

>>54404732
>NWO only affects commons
This was stated, but clearly hasn't been the case.
>NWO only affects complexity
Again, stated, but not the case. You can see cards that would belong to common or uncommon based on complexity, but because those cards are expected to be good, they were shifted up to rare.
>examples
Yes, there are some very rare examples where wizards didn't fuck up completely. But the examples you listed aren't even a once per set or block thing. They're a once per every few years thing. Which is still intolerable design.

>>54404784
instant speed is still pretty necessary because of the way it often gets flashed in or greaves'd the instant it hits the battlefield

i don't think anyone who plays triplets expects it to survive to their untap step without protection

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Do you know that feel when you've built a storm deck with this guy, only to discover that even though EDH is a singleton format storm is still broken af and you can tendrils/ignite memories people for gorillion even before you even get to cast him?

>>54404819
Explain to me how you storm before casting a six drop

>>54404837
Rituals.

>>54404819
Please don't play storm. If you land an infinite combo and exsanguinate us all for Graham's Number life, that's fine. It took 30 seconds. You demonstrated the combo, asked for responses, demonstrated the spell, asked for responses, and won.

If you play storm, everyone else in your pod has to sit around for 10 minutes watching you masturbate. The most optimal point to counterspell you or stop you is at the end, after you've blown your load. All those cards go to waste. Secondly, there's a good chance you might fizzle.

People who play storm decks are the worst.

>>54404863
I don't fizzle, I'm too good.

>>54397542

Mono Black
Jund or Abzan

>>54404883
A lot of women fake being impressed by a high storm count. You can't tell the difference.

>>54404819
>only to discover that even though EDH is a singleton format storm is still broken af
I bet you thought "competitive" EDH was a thing before today.
The balancing for this format is a joke.

>>54404972
Good thing I'm gay.
>>54404973
It can definitely be a thing if you aren't playing multiplayer.

>>54405030
>>It can definitely be a thing if you aren't playing multiplayer.

>singleton vintage, except the banlist is tuned for casual kitchen table craw wurm gameplay

sign me the fuck up

>>54405050
That's exactly what makes it so fun.

>>54404793
>once per set or block thing

Alright, NWO officially began with Zendikar, so let's run through this. Here's 5 commons, one in each color, from the first three blocks of NWO.
>Zendikar
Journey to Nowhere
Spell Pierce
Bojuka Bog
Searing Blaze
Nature's Claim

>Scars
Apostle's Blessing
Gitaxian Probe
Vault Skirge
Galvanic Blast
Glistener Elf

>Innistrad
Cloudshift
Delver of Secrets
Tragic Slip
Faithless Looting
Gnaw to the Bone

>>54405030
Size queens are the worst.
Attenion whoring size queens are cancer.

>>54405112
You mad cuz yo dick small as hell.

>>54405112
I can fit at least 50 spells in my vagina. Don't bring anything less than 40.

>>54405098
Now stop cherry picking to the first 3 sets. Do the 3 most recent sets anon.

>>54405133
100 spells, double sleeved, Dragon Shields matte black.

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>>54405173
it's so big i can't even get my fingers around it oh my gosh how do you even shuffle this fucking thing

How to you even get enough storm to kill an entire table without the reservoir?

>>54405207
Casting Mind's Desire like, once.

>>54405169
That stops being about NWO and more about the shift in powerlevel preparing for Frontier, anon.

>>54405133
Gonna make you squeal when I cast my entire deck twice before passing the turn and doing it again on your upkeep.

>>54405207
Play Mizzix, build counters, then play mizzix mastery.

Usually this ends in mind's desire to victory.

>>54405214
This, also ywill, chaining wheels or mizzix's mastery with a big graveyard.

>>54405207
Or wizards failing to live up to their own stated policies in NWO, and perverting it into what it is now.

>>54405243
Plus you can always remand/regrow the storm spell.

>>54405207
Set up a timetwister loop with doomsday.

>>54405264
And Isochron Scepter actually casts the card Imprinted under it, so you can raise your storm count and get the Storm to activate off of it for Brainfreeze or Grapeshot.

>>54404624
You have to specify the target when you put her trigger on the stack so no because you can't target her

>>54405337
You can't imprint grapeshot and brainfreeze is terrible in edh.

>>54405216
Frontier is a meme format like Tiny Memes was, WotC will never officially support it.

>>54405360
You can imprint Dramatic reversal tho, that's infinite storm count with Sol Ring

>>54405360
Always forget that Scepter is just sorceries.

>>54405366
oh wow a four card infinite combo, amazing

>>54405197
>tfw all my decks are in Bad Dragon Shield matte black sleeves
>tfw wrapping my enormous hands around a deck but still being barely able to grip it

>>54405395
Sol Ring, Scepter and Reversal can be played as utility stuff, so they aren't that useless if you can't combo in that turn anyway.

>>54405424
It's still garbage, and a retarded thing to bring up, there are dozens of infinite combos that generate infinite storm.

Is it worth to include Curiosity and/or Ophidian Eyes in my Locust God? I have a Nigg Mizzle but no way to tutor the combo, it can potentially draw my whole deck and kill a couple players while the last one gets killed by locusts if i draw the combo though so:
Yay?
Nay?

>>54405408
>Bad Dragon Shield
Do the corners have barbed tips?

>>54398777
If it isn't being led by Sliver Queen then I assume it is fragile and a casual-stomping deck.

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>>54405459
Perhaps this?

>>54405460
They sprinkle fake sperm when you go off with your infinite combo

>>54405489
Already got it and doesn't go infinite with Niv Mizzet

>>54405510
Niv doesn't really go infinite either with curiosity unless you have an Eldrazi Titan in your deck or something similar.

>>54405459
Use Mind over Matter instead, it can combo with Arcanis and plenty of other options to draw out your deck.

>>54405550
Ddidn't meant infinite but you got i'm trying to say, also doesn't go infinite with an Eldrazi Titan either unless you have a free discard outlet

>>54405366
>Frontier is a meme format like Tiny Memes was, WotC will never officially support it.

You say that now, but MaRo has advocated a "New Magic" nonrotating format. It probably won't be called Frontier, but the format is coming eventually. Modern has become too expensive for it to be reliable in drawing in new players.

>>54403739
Akiri-Ludevic Jeskai artifacts ???

>>54405739
Why on earth would you play Ludevic over Kraum?

>>54405715
The problem is, we need rotation. Otherwise, every format is going to get too expensive.

What we're probably doing now is the absolute worst way to do it: rotating into a new format whenever some random asshole at WotC feels like it, instead of having the rotation be predictable.

If we do have a new post-modern format, we should define it so it rotates in a slow but predictable way.

>Start with every card printed with the new border.
>have a 6 year grace period, during which no rotations will happen
>after that, every 4 years, the oldest 4 years worth of cards rotate.

Or something like that. The point being, there's a shakeup ever now and then, but not nearly as often as standard.

>>54405715
>implying people want to play with shit cards
No thanks, Maro. Maro doesn't know shit about what players want. Frontier is very unpopular.

>>54405786
that's a good question. I'm pretty sure i'm retarded now.

>>54405807
So Extended? Or is that the joke?

>>54405887
Extended rotated every block, every year.
What I've proposed would only rotate every 4 years.

What would Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist deck look like? Edric but red? I tried looking at edhrec but since it is a partner commander it is a total clusterfuck. And the only decks I've seen have been Ludevic tribal with no focus on the man himself.

I'm actually tempted to build a deck around him but I don't know what to do.

>>54405972
Just play Jori En you fuck.