Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Which is the better air support: Nephilim Jetfighters or Dark Talons?

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Early thread is early; still on page 8

Anyway, removed a Vulture, changed to twin punishers and added a dread with autocannons.
Am I missing something?

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>>54391113
>animu shit
no codex/10

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>>54391141
I don't fucking know man but are we going to talk about how the new CTs made Stormravens even more fucking OP? Half my army is now going down the drain if they show up. Fuck Gw.

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So I am have been reading the 8th ed rulebook and found something interesting.

There is a new Eldar faction but it's censored by the Inquisition. Any idea what this faction is and why did the Imperials redacted it? Does this mean w can look forward a new Eldar faction in the future? Are you hyped?

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Imperial Guard is top tier. Winning all tourneys. Guard number 1 baby... I want to dedicate this to all the conscripts who sacrificed their worthless lives tarpitting 500pt+ units for 4 turns, this shit post is for you

SALAMANDERS WILL BE THE MELTA KINGS

>>54391178
Chaos Eldar was a small thing in the old fluff.

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What have you done today to protect this smile?

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NPC races a best.
When I win, I wipe out whole companies of special irreplaceable snowflakes and special characters who keep the enemy afloat.
When I lose, congratulations, you killed a Maniple of Skitarii and some lowranked techpriests. Send in another six.

Anyone else enjoy battles like that? There's a chap at my LGS that has this ungodly UM/GK/Custodes mix with Guilliman, a pack of Libbies and Voldus, wiping that would probably crack the imperium right through losing a Primarch and a bunch of their best. I teamed up with some no-name Nurgle Renegades and swarmed the bastard as my last 7e game. I'm now speedpainting my way through my 1.5k Admech army to go play some 8e, since I haven't got the chance yet.

>>54391157
Oh fuck off. The Horus Heresy novels barely pass as fanwank and the only reason people read them is because of Stockholm Syndrome.

>>54391178
it's not new.
Crone world eldar have always been in the fluff, with only small and vague comments.
IE exactly like what we're seeing here.

It's neat, but a neat continuing of what's old, not anything new.

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Turns out that the Dark Eldar fans lied to us all that time. The Dark Eldar are not the most numerous of the Eldar. The Craftworlders are the most numerous faction of the Eldar and THEY ARE DYING.

Fucking Drukharifags.

>>54391178

crone world eldar, should be fun.

>>54391157

>Primarch soap operas
>Space marines novels

>>54391223
>Oh fuck off.

No. Space Marines are here to stay, the most beloved by the fanbase, and you gotta deal with it fuckboi.

>>54391217
Yup, definitely fun.
>You win against my Kataphron? Great, now I'll cut the dead bodies out, sew some mind-wiped rapists back in and then I'm ready for round 2

Are Tech Priests the ultimate trolls?

>>54391229
Aeldari = craftworlders / corsairs/ exodites

How do I play the avatar of khaine? Do I just surround him with storm guardians as meatshield and throw him at the enemy?

>>54391211
I thinned all my paints

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>>54391159
Implications/5.

>>54391229
>Conflicting fluff means they lied
Sure thing retard. Go read the old DE codex.

>>54391271
Incorrect, dark eldar are part of the Aeldari

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Who is the Primarch of the Red Hunters? They seem to be Black templar levels of emperor worshipping fanaticism, could they be Dorns guys?

Then again, quite a few ultramarine successors became enormous assholes so Roboute isn't unreasonable

>>54391271
Nope, the Dark Eldar or Drukhari are included in the term Aledari.

>Pedro Kantor
>Thulsa Kane
>70 sternguard
>3 quad mortars

2000 points for 70 sternguard firing rapid fire 30" ap-2 bolters and rerolling all hits (including for their 3 attacks each in close combat) Backed up by 3 quad mortars and Thulsa Kane for obliterating deathstars and keeping them at ld9

>>54391141
A cancerous tournament list from a few days ago went with 7 dark talons and 0 nephilim jetfighters, so I guess the dark talon.

AQUILA FORTRESS GUY ARE YOU HERE

How's that thing coming along mate

>>54391284
It doesn't say they were more numerous. Merely that the Dark City is HUGE. I guess that means that most of it is empty.

>>54391159

Any year now, and you'll pay

>>54391255
Sure, and the faction is fine. But don't try to tell me Space Marines have personalities. The Primarchs all have the personalities of maladjusted children and their legions have between one and three distinguishing features each. The individual Marines have none.

Dead Sky Black Sun was a good book, for example, but you'll never hear me say that Uriel Ventris is anything but a generic honour-bound protagonist cutout.

>>54391229

the dark eldar where repeatedly stated as the most numerous race of eldar.

then the gate of khaine exploded and a significant portion of the dark city is now daemons.

then the decapitator got his final skull and broke through the webway into the wierdo dimension of wherethefuckistan and flooded the daemons with mandrakes and shadow monsters

so now its a gigantic mandrake/daemon fuckfest and vect is gonna TAKE THE DARK CITY.

AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

also a shit tonne of deldar defected to the ynnari including vects old flame lelith, so I'm honestly not surprised they no longer outnumber their shitty cousins.

still with the halfborn tech being as good as it is I doubt this state of affairs is going to be lasting very long.

>>54391326
Even for hunting other aircraft? My main opponent is fielding a Storm Eagle Gunship and I need a way to blow it out of the sky. Hard to Hit is what makes me particularly worried.

>>54391186
>Conscript Hordes
>Winning Tournaments
So what you're saying is that tournaments no longer have time limits on turns or games?

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Favorite chapter tactic?

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>>54391353

forgot my picture to make people actually pay attention to my post

>>54391334
Loosen your helmet buddy.

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>>54391353
>They literally ruined the lore of my favorite faction

great

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40K fanbase: Sisters of Battle sure are neat.
tumblr trash: OMG SEXISM
40K fanbase: *commissions this*

>>54391217
Giving stats to primarchs for a game this scale was a mistake.

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Reposting my meme, any aeldar/ynnar players?

2k Ynnari 7CP
Battalion Detachment
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Autarch Skyrunner, x2 avenger shuriken catapults
Yvraine
Yncarne
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x5 Corsair Skyreavers, shardcarbines
x5 Corsair Skyreavers, shardcarbines
x5 Corsair Skyreavers, shardcarbines
x5 Corsair Skyreavers, shardcarbines
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x5 Scourges, dark lances
x5 Scourges, dark lances

Vanguard Detachment

Farseer
Warlock Skyrunner, singing spear
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x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x6 Shadow Spectres, exarch

SS get -2 to hit with conceal, get two phases of shooting with soulburst from Corsair screen, farseer with 24" range casts fortune on a unit of 10 rerolling misses to hit on prism rifles that generate an extra attack per hit up to 3. Autarch gives rerolls of 1 to hit for the other units. Yvraine gives free soulburst in psyker phase allowing a unit of dark Lance scourges to attack again.

>>54391348
>But don't try to tell me Space Marines have personalities.

But they all do.

>Dead Sky Black Sun was a good book, for example, but you'll never hear me say that Uriel Ventris is anything but a generic honour-bound protagonist cutout.

It's still a personality you dumb nigger.
Personality != Outrageous or wacky.

>>54391348
>Primarchs all behave like maladjusted children

Dude that's literally everyone ever in real life. You don't suddenly become wise and all knowing when you are an adult. If anything, it makes the Primarchs that much more believable.

>>54391311
Do succesors GET Primarchs? I thought they were Founding only.

>>54391385
dont worry ork friend, when the ork codex comes out im sure it will be filled with cool and fluffy rules for all the klans like hammer of wrath if you charge 11 inches or more :^)

>>54391229
Craftworlders are more likely to commit bestiality to the point of conception and childbirth. Their rigid pressing down of all their lustful desires is barely keeping then from having so much interspecies sex with humans the mon'keighs are bred out altogether.

>>54391375
Dark Eldar are more DYING than the Craftworlders. That's just SAAAAD!

>>54391367
Ultras.
Useful but not entirely passive like the Raven Guard.

>>54391403
every successor chapter is made fromt he geneseed of a founding chapter, so they all have a primarch

>>54391270
Technically ironstriders are irreplaceable though. Because they were all made by one guy thousands of years ago who didn't share how to build them.

Does it still count when they're trolling themselves?

>>54391367
I'm a fan of the BT one. Simple, flavorful, effective.

>>54391172
No. We are not going to talk about it, because CTs do not apply to Stormravens.

Have a fantastic day.

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So for detatchments, could I take two Chaos Vanguard Detatchments for Renegade marauders and some tanks in one with CSM HQs and then another with CSM termies and a contemptor, or would it have to be a detatchment of Renegades and a Detatchment of Chaos seperately?
My idea was to have a warband that had marauders as their version of scouts, having the neonates provide heavy and special weapons support while the termies deep strike, with bikes and the contemptor to advance with the Renegades. Just curious how it works mechanically.

>>54391389
Want to purge, but that anatomy betrays her as some twisted chaos mutant.

>>54391403
Progenitors primarch == their primarch; same gene-seed

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>>54391411
I am ready for this inevitability.

>>54391367
>fists just ignore cover
Jesus fuck

SALAMANDER PLAYERS WHAT ARE YOUR LISTS LOOKING LIKE THESE DAYS

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>>54391357
moving conscript hordes is easier than ever now with the removal of templates and pie plates... although I'm pretty sure Astra Militarum supremacy won't last long

Was thinking of a snow planet based chapter when I finally get some Primaris. Will probably use the Raven Guard chapter tactics, say that they hook weather control they discovered on their base planet to cause snow storms over the battle field, explaining the enemy's -1 to hit them past 12".

I'd feel bad about going for obviously the strongest chapter tactic, but it fits with other parts of the lore I want for the group, and makes sure I actually play them a bit different than my Orks or GSCs.

Anyone else getting inspired by the chapter tactics so far?

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on a darker note, the novel jain zar confirms that the deldar think that vect is literally worse than daemons and jain zar herself considers him the most dangerous eldar alive.

of course this is the same novel which makes eldrad a generation from the fall so your mileage may vary, still they've been hyping him up for long enough and I'm impatient for a new model and rules

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How does one build a 3-model unit of crisis suits these days?
also if I have 10 pathfinders and 10 fire warriors which one should I buy more? Pathfinders for markers or Warriors for getting buffed by cadre fireblade?

>>54391390
But why? This game already has Superheavy walkers and tanks. Those are way more powerful than Primarchs.

>>54391367
Salamanders seems most potent to me.

>>54391353
>AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
You mean Make Commorragh Great Again?

>>54391474
>obviously the strongest chapter tactic
Calm down m8.

>>54391403
No, they don't. But the point of *successor* chapters is that they should be able to trace their lineage back to one of the Primarchs. Some Chapters can not trace their lineage back though, or actively hide the truth (Blood Ravens being of Magnus' geneseed for example). So if you don't know where the Red Hunters come from, you can speculate (or make shit up).

>>54391357
>the anti-conscript fag is scrambling to blame it on the tournaments because he got BTFO with his shit theorycrafting that conscript hordes would take too much time
They do have time limits, turns out that all the people who told you this wouldn't be a problem are right and you're a dumb faggot.

>>54391480
You may be interested in the Tau thread >>54361041

Currently, Commanders are strictly superior to crisis suits for basically all purposes, except for triflamer suits. Commanders have a number of solid loadouts, but 4*FB, 3*MP+ATS, and 4*PR tend to be the most popular.

You want more FW. Infantry is really good this edition.

>>54391480

mug a buddy for another two flamers

attach two flamers two one arm and a shield generator to the other

use them as anti hoard harrassment units

for everything else a commander is better

>>54391519
conshits/10

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>>54391113
Does the Mechanicus have cortical stack/mind-backup technology?

I like the idea of My Skitarii Dudes being centuries-old veterans who get stuffed into vat-grown replicae bodies whenever it's time for war, and of them ignoring casualties except to stop and rip some overly-invasive implant out of their comrades upper spinal column.

>>54391393
>It's still a personality you dumb nigger.
Wow, a million Space Marines and for 999.995 of them the only personality trait is that they're honour-bound. Wow, such staggering characterization. Shakespeare, get your shit together and write characters with such impressive and multi-dimensional personalities.

>>54391270
Probably. There's even a HH Mech special character called Inar Satarael. His thing is he buffs his army to the ends of the earth for his 375 pts, 3d6 drop highest Morale bubble, 4 independent drones with 3+ sv Jump Packs that provide a 3" interceptor bubble, spot for artillery and lower enemy cover in a 12" radius around them, which can be moved individually to fuck with enemies, has a teleport homer and spots for artillery, casts a range of buffs on your robots like double shots, healing, RAEG and such, gives all your vehicles IWND and boosts reserves to 2+.

He's got a pretty beastly statline with T6 W5 IWND 3+, too, but NO INVULN, WS3 and no EW. He'll shoot like a boss with his Assault 4 Grav-gun, though.

And the best bit? When your enemy finally kills the bastard that's making your army immortal gods of fearless Intercepting artillery damage, he explodes like a vehicle, teleports his casket away from his robot body and concedes no VPs, not even for Slay the Warlord or any secondary objectives. Trayzyn WISHES he could be this much of a dick on the battlefield.

>>54391459
Combimeltas for days.

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>>54391186
You're that guy who posted the game against Eldar right? Good shit.

I love Guard this edition and I also love the Ministorum units. So much fun melee and blob moving. This is an older picture, but I've painted more models since! I have 4 of the Bullgryns and the heavy weapons done now. It's hard to see, but the front guys are Crusaders, though I've since updated their model. And the other black models under the building are Death Cult Assassins. I've got 2 more Bullgryn and some special weapons to go before I get started on those models though.

>>54391473
I can't imagine it will either. We're going to be pushed down to midtier again like a proper NPC race.

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>>54391367

Nobody fucking cares about the vanilla shit, give me my Angels.

>>54391430
Yeah, the Ironstriders. Which is why I'd never use them, it destroys the expendable feel of the army.

And I guess it does count because if they were being smart and serious about it, they'd never take the Ironstriders off their treadmills.

>>54391537
>>54391537
Thanks guys. I will not build a commander from these suits - at least not now. I'm just starting so I want to play casual games with no waacfag attempts

>>54391542
considering 40k's main influences, genetic infantry would fit in seamlessly

>>54391367
Salamanders is probably the most powerful over the course of a full game against the widest variety of opponents.

Raven Guard is really powerful against gunline armies but will do shit all against, for example, Tyranids.

Ultras is fluffy and fun, I don't know how good it will be though.

White Scars is devastating with the right build but definitely has to be built around.

IH is solid if a bit boring.

BTs is probably the worst, although it's still not bad. If you build around it with deep striking melee units you could have something pretty powerful.

Imperial Fists is kind of garbage tier this edition where cover doesn't matter very often anyway and 90% of the time it will just be an additional -1 AP on weapons that were probably blowing through armour saves to begin with.

We really need to see the Stratagems for all of them now.

>>54391561
Paint your fucking models

>>54391458
Not as big as it used to be. Useful, though.

>>54391353
>dark Eldar willingly backing the "I <3 imperium crossbreeding for life" faction
So was human pleasure the drug lilith needs?

>>54391542
If they do, they wouldn't waste it on Skittles. More likely they would have stacks of combat knowledge to dump into faceless recruits. But hey, fluff Your Dudes how you like.

>>54391311
Pure statistics suggest Guilliman: two thirds of all chapters are Ultra successors.

It was also (pre-Primaris) the joint purest geneseed. Given the Red Hunters exist to serve the Inquisition, I reckon the Inquisition will have gone for the purest geneseed.

(Imperial Fists and successors can't hibernate or spit acid)

>>54391590
No, just the semen.

>>54391516
I don't exactly see how I'm wrong, in a general sense. My troops would go from being hard wound with good saves, to hard to hit, hard to wound with good saves. If I'm smart about things, most armies won't be with in 12" of me unless I want them there so I can assault. I can see the others being stronger for more specialized lists, but even Tyranids will want to take SOME shots at my buys, and they'll be more likely to miss.

But yeah, there are other chapter tactics that will be revealed later, this might not seem like anything special in a few months. Especially if other armies are going to get similar buffs, some of which might directly counter it.

>>54391420
I admit, I kinda like the two purely defensive ones best. RG can stay at range with impunity, especially in cover, while IH can shrug of a not insubstantial amount of incoming damage at all times. In AoS those secondary saves are very powerful, so I imagine they'll be just as good here.

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>>54391542

good news is they do have mind backup tech

bad news is that its usually only worth it on techpriests because its hard to do.

cloning tech is much harder, even if the admech did have enough mind copies for the skittari they'd probably mindjack random civies and plug the soldiers brains into their heads instead of cloning new bodies every time

I'd suggest running a ranger heavy list, vanguards are considered completely disposable.

>>54391542
http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0

Have a techpriest generator. Anything on here has shown up in canon, although some of it in the FFG books that are questionable at best. Also, that's the lore for my custom Archmagos to justify why he dies all the time. I don't think anyone would mind, just don't go too snowflake with the rest of it. I tried to make mine fairly grimdark, which also presents me the problem of having to write stories from the perspective of a man who can only internal monologue in SECOND PERSON. Here's the lore for my Divisio Genetor leader, since the whole army is converted to be biological-themed. Kastellans made of converted Skaven Stormfiends, Magos on a massive spider, etcetera.

Archmagos Xander Treides is largely a massive cogitator bank spread throughout his fleet, and sends out copies of himself in custom bodies to lead expeditions whenever required. If he "dies", he's obviously still fine, but he loses the data that body was carrying, and his mind gets steadily more corrupted by interference and such every time, so he slowly goes a bit mad. Eventually, late into the Scouring, he realises what's happening to him and locks the useful parts of his mind into the ship, losing his memories in the process. He takes over subordinate's minds and uses their memories and perspectives, which has led to strange command strategy as he commands with the biases of anything between a great Archimandrite and a Skitarii Alpha Primus, each taking prominence as required.

1/2

>>54391544
>Wow, a million Space Marines and for 999.995 of them the only personality trait is that they're honour-bound.

They have more expansive personalities than that. McNeil doesn't write great characters, Ventris is obviously a bit of a hot head, his buddy is more lighthearted and then sombre after getting his Necron arm. His childhood rival is more stuck up.
They're generally heroic, but it doesn't end there.

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>>54391561
>ou're that guy who posted the game against Eldar right
yea, thats me. I havent tried bullygrins this edition, but I will say that melee with guard is great this edition.

>>54391561
>I can't imagine it will either. We're going to be pushed down to midtier again like a proper NPC race.
yea, i give it a year or until of codex comes out. until then live it up brother

>>54391579
>smart and serious
We still talking about Admech?

I agree though. Kind of a shame, because I like the models. At least Dunecrawlers are disposable.

Is there a list of Chapters known to be destroyed by the formation of the Great Rift? I want to create a Primaris Chapter whose shtick is that they came across a Chapter-world whose Marines died in a last stand to protect the human inhabitants. In an effort to boost Imperial morale the Primaris marines adopted the heraldry and colors of the wiped out Chapter. Astartes never die, they just go missing in action.

>>54391631
>most armies won't be with in 12" of me unless I want them there
Yep, theorycrafter detected.

>>54391674
Halo/10
make up your own chapter faggot.

>>54391608

I'm very curious how Red Hunters are going to react to primaris.

On one hand they're the inquisitions goons, on the other they worship the emperor and his Primarchs as divine and thus should be happy about guilliman

>>54391631
>Tyranids will want to take SOME shots at my buys, and they'll be more likely to miss.
True, but some might not. Only armies I can see that will refuse to shoot you.

Tyranids, Orks, and Daemons (depending on their builds)

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>>54391542
>>54391642

His last body, abandoned with the torn memories of the ancient Archmagos, was rendered Damnatio ad Gladium by the last commands of the intact Xander, and led the majority of the fleets Cybernetica and their newer Genetus monstrosities against the Dark Mechanicum in an enraged vengeance crusade for the destroyed knowledge of Mars, finally being killed (some of his fellow Archmagi preferred to say "put down", there was hardly anything separating him from his creatures by the end) storming Cyclotrathe by Knights of House Atrax.

Seem grimdark enough, anons? I doubt the Mech would waste outright uploading on every one of a couple million Skitarii, but they could easily have a set of commanding imperatives that replace their personalities while active, essentially doing the same thing except possibly leaving the remnants of their original selves screaming soundlessly in the recesses of their minds as their bodies are torn from their control and thrown into an unending meatgrinder by Techpriests who may as well be playing TF2 for how much they give a fuck.

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Bumping from stale bread

Help me pick a Chapter Tactic for my Primaris Dusk Raiders
The basic idea behind them is that they do footslogging firepower, so lots of Hellblasters and Aggressors, since they're also massively distrusted by the imperium, no Manlet support

I'm caught between Raven Guard and Iron Hands, the FnP from IH would be fluffy and work, but I imagine their stratagems would be a bitnvehicle based, RG's cover bonus and stealth tactics also fit the fluff and would be useful

>>54391586
>Raven Guard is really powerful against gunline armies but will do shit all against, for example, Tyranids.
Eh, with how massively Exocrines and Tyrannofexes have been buffed, I think Raven Guard would be pretty unpleasant for them. The army that gives the fewest fucks are probably Death Guard, who want to be 6" away from the enemy

>Ultras is fluffy and fun, I don't know how good it will be though.
Great with Combi-Flamer Vets, horrible with Plasma weaponry

>Imperial Fists is kind of garbage tier this edition where cover doesn't matter very often anyway and 90% of the time it will just be an additional -1 AP on weapons that were probably blowing through armour saves to begin with.
I'm pretty sure it'll be pretty nice on Intercessors. And just imagine what it'll turn Flamers and grenades into.

>BTs is probably the worst, although it's still not bad. If you build around it with deep striking melee units you could have something pretty powerful.
Which, I think, makes it better than White Scars.

>>54391705

Could even have an archmagos brute force the memories and personality of his favorite dead skitari on all new recruits

>>54391674
Just make one up.
The only one I can think of is the Sky Sentinels and I think it was just Magnus shitting on them rather than the Great Rift.

>>54391661
It's a blast. Bullgryn are loads of fun. I'm definitely living it up. Every game is a blast and I've been doing tons of modeling. Finally getting back to painting so I'm happy to see less primed models. I love that your army is fully painted. How long did it take you?

>>54391430

the admech know how to build them

but they have no idea how they work so the second it takes its first step it has to keep moving

>>54391723
>horrible with Plasma weaponry
Don't overcharge when you fall back.

>>54391721

Guilliman very specifically did not create any Primaris with traitor geneseed

>>54391684
I don't see why you're so upset by this. If you even play, or plan to play Space Marines, I'm sure whatever chapter tactic you go with will work toward the tactics you prefer to use. Don't take it as a personal insult that I see a lot of potential here. And of course I'm "theorycrafting", if I can't imagine a fun way of playing the army I just won't bother getting it.

What do you even play?

>>54391674
Look up the Astral Knights

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- I'm really glad to have you there, Brother-Captain Chad. Now you and the other Primaris Marines will form the 11th Company of our chapter.
- Thanks, Chapter Master.
- We'll need you for our next crusade. Your men will embark in our Land Raider Crusaders and assault the enemy.
- Yeah, no. We're not gonna use these pieces of crap.
- Wait, what ? ... Anyway, this Rhino Primaris you brought with you are impressive. I'll use one as a transport for me and my Honour Guard.
- Lol nope. It's ours.
- B-but... we share everything in this Chapter, all Companies use standardized equipment to ease the logistics.
- Yeah, but not us. We're fucking Primaris Marines. Get rekt, manlet.


Why is this allowed ?

>>54391767
They got destroyed by Necrons long before the Great Rift.

>>54391631
>but even Tyranids will want to take SOME shots
Yeah, with auto-hitting smite, devourers that tunneled in 9" away, barbed strangler pods that dropped in 9" away, 16" moving flying hive tyrants, and biovores that still spawn spore mines if they miss.

The only weapons Tyranids generally want to be shooting with from more than 12" away are ones that will be fired at your big vehicles which don't benefit from CTs.

>>54391760
Guilliman didn't, but Cawl could've. He's a 10,000+ year old ArchDominus and probably isn't used to be told no.

>>54391488
Well, I was actually talking about when 30k did it first, setting the predecent, but giving stats to superheavies was also a mistake.

I remember when I was a kid playing 3rd ed, and I would joke about how "awesome" it would be to give stats for a Primarch or a Titan. Everyone at the LGS would explain to me why that's silly, and that any game reasonably played at 40k-scale wasn't worth the time of the titan legion or a Primarch, even if they existed, and that things like Primarchs were infinitely more narrative appropriate when they existed only as legends relying on heresy, and how my desire to have stats for them was as a result of me being a stupid 14-year-old who would grow out of such stupid ideas... over a decade later, and the game is run by a bunch of fucking idiots who never got that speech when they were 14 and never grew out of it.

>>54391760
Cawl did, Girlyman told him to stop it. Doesn't change the fact that a bunch of them are already made. I mean, making Primaris Marines is expensive. They wouldn't just blam some perfectly fine servants of the Emperor just for having the wrong daddy.

>>54391772
>rhino primaris
>primaris marines
>retards still think these are connected somehow

>>54391786
Cawl waited thousands of years for Guilliman's go ahead. He's actually a little cuck on a leash.

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So should i just repaint my Iron Hands as Ravenguard now?

>>54391772

fun fact, the primarines don't have any tech marines.

>>54391702
Yeah, I'd have to account for armies like that, which would be very interesting fights. I'm sure some like that would probably table a general list I could make, so I'll have to see what tricks come with any new Space Marine releases.

>>54391586
>Salamanders
Agreed, at least as far as offensive CTs are concerned. Useful and felxible.

>Raven Guard
Outside of pure melee brawler forces this will still help blunt shooting losses for a turn or two, which might give you the melee edge you need.

>Ultras
+1Ld is solid. Battleshock can be brutal, everything taking the edge of off that is aces. Falling back and shooting, even at a modifier, allows for some tricky shenanigans. Probably needs an advanced player to make the most of, I suspect.

>Iron Hands
A 1 in 6 chances to not die when killed is enormous, if Age of Sigmar is anything to go by. Especially for multiwound models. It *is* kinda boring though.

>Black Templars
Since they are all about melee, especially with their named characters around, having a more reliable way of getting there is a godsend. As you said, a DS list with this will be mean.

>Imperial Fists
I... I guess it's alright on dense terrain tables and city fights?

>>54391739

Yeah, more than likely I'll just have to invent one.

>>54391693

>T R I G G E R E D

>>54391741
Why would they give a shit if they can make more? If it stops and breaks, just make a new one. I know 40k isn't really supposed to make sense, but that just seems odd.

(Also why don't they have a minimum move and the ability to leave combat for free? Can't we at least pretend the fluff is related to the rules?)

>>54391786

Those are the set up for chaos primaris

Anyway I'd even accept a chapter that's totally "not" dusk raiders and are absolutely "guillimans" gene seed, they just happen to share the same colors and use the same pre heresy tactics.

Pure coincidence. Clearly.

Give them the Silver Skulls treatment

Looking to get into 40k as now I don;t have to read a damn bible of rules to get into expensive toys. SM are likely an army I'd need to start cause id be new to TT games. Lots of armies to select but with the new starters my friend said It'd be more cost effective to be either those two armies. How are chaos/SM to play?

What made you choose your army?
Whats your preferred play style?

>>54391723
>Eh, with how massively Exocrines and Tyrannofexes have been buffed, I think Raven Guard would be pretty unpleasant for them.
See >>54391779

>Ultras
You don't have to overcharge the plasma

>IF
Yeah I might be underestimating them it's hard to judge without playing against it

>BT
Same as above, we will see

The army stratagems are going to be really important, I mean RG basically get to buy infiltrate for anything and WS can buy Advance+shoot+charge midgame as needed.

>>54391824
Not yet.

>>54391819
If you want to play Ravenguard? RG's CT might be a bit stronger, but the IH one is solid for their theme.

>>54391798
>They wouldn't just blam some perfectly fine servants of the Emperor just for having the wrong daddy.
Pretty sure they would

>>54391674
I dont think theres a list but some of the chapters that were guarding the Eye of Terror were probably lost during its expansion, pick one of those.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astartes_Praeses

>>54391837
>Why would they give a shit if they can make more?

Machines are holy and it's probably hard to do,

>>54391852
I've never made a 6+ save in my 12 years of playing 40k. It's useless

>>54391571
get back in line and suck balls. understand your place in the natural pecking order.

>>54391779
I'll wait on that mortal wound/smite based Tyranid list battle report before I worry about that too much. I think the biggest problem is that I don't have a single local Nid player to play against, so I won't have to learn to counter that until I get one. If I meet one and get destroyed, I'll do my best to learn from it.

>>54391763
Raven guard, as it happens. I'm a lot less optimistic about the rule than many seem to be, from what I've experienced of 8th edition games so far armies close the gap really fast to get into rapid fire range (which, unfortunately for raven guard, is usually 12") or charge. And there's always the old "no plan survives contact with the enemy" problem.

I just think the idea that we'll be able to play keepaway and keep the enemy exactly where we want them is desperately naive, especially when playing objectives. Sorry.

>>54391840
>Give them the Silver Skulls treatment

Silver Skulls aren't like any traitors at all though.

>>54391674
Lamenters. Cause they can't seem to ever get a break.

>>54391889
Well get used to it, they're the most common form of FnP in 8th, and a 1 in 6 chance to ignore every shot is a very sizable survivability boost.

R8 B8 H8
Blind 60pl. All I know is I might be up against either Nids, Necrons, or Death Guard
Ratlings will live in the Bunker.

[++ Fortification Network (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [410pts, 20 PL] ++

+ Fortification +

Aquila Strongpoint [410pts, 20 PL]Aquila Macro-cannon

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [40 PL, 874pts] ++

+ HQ +

Company Commander [39pts, 3 PL]: Plasma pistol, Power maul

Tempestor Prime [50pts, 2 PL]:Power fist, Tempestus Command Rod

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [75pts, 3 PL]
. 5x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Heavy Weapon Team: Missile launcher
. Sergeant: Boltgun, Power sword

Infantry Squad [75pts, 3 PL]
. 5x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Heavy Weapon Team: Missile launcher
. Sergeant: Boltgun, Power sword

Infantry Squad [75pts, 3 PL]
. 5x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Heavy Weapon Team: Missile launcher
. Sergeant: Boltgun, Power sword

Militarum Tempestus Scions [80pts, 3 PL]
. 2x Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Plasma pistol, Power fist

Militarum Tempestus Scions [76pts, 3 PL]
. 2x Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Plasma pistol, Power fist
+ Elites +

Ratlings [4 PL, 70pts]
. 10x Ratling: 10x Sniper Rifle

+ Heavy Support +

Basilisks [6 PL, 114pts]
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter, Hunter-killer missile

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chimera [5 PL, 110pts]: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Stubber, Hunter-killer missile

Chimera [5 PL, 110pts]: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Stubber, Hunter-killer missile

++ Total: [60 PL, 1284pts] ++

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Fortunately, female Space Marines won't happen.

However, could it be possible that this SJW representation bullshit somehow ends up giving us plastic SoB and some female soldiers for the Imperial Guard ? That would be nice.

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Any Ironbros here? Picking up a Betrayal at Calth on Saturday to start an IW army. Is there anything I should expect? Also, what legion ability will IW get in the chaos codex? What unit should I pick up after the BoC box set? Sorry for all the questions

>>54391736
Or that, yeah. It's the Mechanicus and Archmagi are one step down from gods, pick a gimmick and add a dash of grimdark sauce, all is good.

>>54391837
>Can't we at least pretend the fluff is related to the rules?

Apparently not. I would have given the Ballistarii the ability to Snipe characters if they moved less than (minimum +1"), too since their ENTIRE FLUFF is that they slow down to a stalk and burn down enemy leaders through the press of men. This was the perfect chance to represent that in a suitably awesome way.

>>54391927
Terrible, start again.

>>54391411
I'm still mad

>>54391829
ruins, craters and walls seem kinda common, so it's not that bad. also it means that unless you can hide a vehicle completely, you might no bother to hide it at all anymore. for the enemy only LOS blockers matter any longer.

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>>54391113
Don't forget that Chapter Approved is still coming; any predictions or hopes?

Dubs are auto confirmed.

>>54391858
Might be, but this does provide an opportunity for making traitor-successors, since you can always use the excuse that people "forgot" to write down which Primarch that new chapter belongs to.
I mean sure, they're all prescient to some degree and have an unusually high number of Psykers in their chapter, but since the data has been purged, nobody can say for sure that they are made of Magnus' geneseed...

And that same excuse can be used for why excommunicated chapters like the Knights of Blood wound up with some Primaris Marines.

>>54391571
Are you this guy on Dakkadakka?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/732845.page

>>54391927
Not enough meme/10

>>54391934
>Picking up a Betrayal at Calth
Why? Get Prospero for MKIII.

>>54391913
Well, that explains why you're so defensive about it. Would you rather I think the army is total shit and not buy it though? Cause that's still an option for me. I'm currently excited to try a different army, with completely different tactics than I use with my two current armies. If I'm not excited about it, I certainly won't spend all the time buying and painting this stuff.

>>54391918
Some autist raging on the FB page said it best.
>Get bent! i was hoping for something different than the same old fnp we've had for the last 3 editions(Maybe a boost to hit rolls within a certain range because of cybernetics) but no, you just copy and pasted ours while the others had thought put into them. I'm done with this game and i'm done with you.

>>54391914

Skulls got adopted by the smurfs and took after their new step dad pretty well

>>54391970
>>54391970
The Terminators, that's why.

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Is the Vindicator worth its cost ?

>>54391930
As a raging woman hater I want to field nothing but female IG. As a bolter bitch lover I also want to buy a modern SOB army that use female IG. So I can act out my repressed issues.

>>54391958
>Don't forget that Chapter Approved is still coming; any predictions or hopes?
primaris marines are actually normally sized marines on stilts

>>54391889
>12 years of playing 40k
So that was, what four games?

Fucking christ you idiot I make 6+ saves every game I play. First time I ever deployed my Skitarii I was making the 6+ invulns on my onager dunecrawler for like half a tournament.

>>54391958
I still want more civilian vehicles for PDF, GSC, and Renegade armies. A mining skiff would be awesome.

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>Land Raider Excelsior is a character

Is it worth the points to take one of these and/or a Rhino Primaris? Both seem like they'd be fairly good.

I mean especially if you have the +1 to hit rolls the Excelsior gets from being within 24" of a Rhino Primaris, and then use the Rhino Primaris servo-skull hub ability to give the Excelsior +1 again and make it have an effective ballistic skill of 1+ with two twin lascannons, a grav-cannon, a storm bolter, a multi-melta, and a combi-plasma.

>>54391972
Nah, go for it if you're excited. I was just getting a bit fed up with all the posts saying raven guard are crazy OP and nobody will play them and all that, and lashed out unnecessarily. Sorry m8.

>>54392000
It looks cool, so yes.

>>54391981
I agree that it's boring, but that doesn't stop it from being effective. Same deal with things like the BT CT. It's not flashy, but directly operates around the core theme of the army.

>>54391981
I think they can all just thank their lucky stars that Iron Hands bionics don't work like Mechanicus bionics, which are just a 6++ Invuln

Perturabo book any good?

>>54391889
Only SM players could get a free 6++ and call it worthless.

>>54391981

Why are marines so whiny, I swear the Facebook pages are just full of it
You've also got the Meme Templars shitting up every GW post too

>>54391989
>Skulls got adopted by the smurfs

Where are the proofs?

>>54391934
>Also, what legion ability will IW get in the chaos codex?

How about units that are behind cultists receive a +1 cover save

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Thinking about an Orky camo scheme for my Tankbustas. Red on beige is out, that's my Nobz. Actual gray and black urban is my Kommandos. I'm thinking Alley Viper blue on orange, unless someone suggests something that really blows me away.

>>54392083
You know, that'd be fucking cool and fluffy

>>54392071
It's even better than that, it's a free 6+++.

These faggots are insufferable.

hopeful newbie here. Chaos or SM Primachs? Elite soldiers with bulky tanks speak to me. Swarm armies look cool too but I don't want to spend a lot of time on a hobby I'm getting into.

>>54392066
The book reads like Perturabo is basically Elliot Rogers and Dorn is women.

>>54392030
It happens, I know what it's like to be passionate about your army.

>>54391760
> My Dudes

> It's mentioned that it might have happened, so lore explanation is already better than 'lol because time travel'

> Get to paint my favourite colour scheme

> Don't have to paint manlets or vehicles

> Interesting narrative potential, decendants redeeming themselves by killing their corrupted predecessors

I don't see why Primaris Dusk Raiders are a bad thing

>>54391639
>vanguards are considered completely disposable
>Implying Genetic Infantrymen weren't

>>54392084
Lilac spots on purple, duh.

>>54392095
... I'm really having trouble figuring out what it is you're trying to ask.

Also you're a newfag, so I am homorbound by /tg law to tell you to kys

>>54392076

It's not even subtle, it's exactly what happens in the 30k black books

>>54392095
>Chaos or SM Primachs?
Whut? Primarchs are special centrepiece one-per-army models and there's only two at the moment, Primaris Marines are soldiers and can't be Chaos at all. I can't really figure out what you're asking.

>>54391391
why are people grudging this list? I'm kind of new so I'm just curious as to why I've only found 2 people to help me out half a week ago

>>54392103
kek
We need more meaningful literature about Pert. I believe deep down he isn't a traitor, just a horrendously broken man who has emotions but doesn't want anyone to see it.

>>54391367
still thinking about the IF CT:
this boost bolter fire indirectly actually. bolters are most useful against lightly armoured infantry. while hordes rarely get cover boni anyway, eldar, deldar, tau, stormtrooper, etc. infantry suffer from this.

on the downside, this will make enemy armies no longer stop 2'' short of max move distance to stay in crater but come at you full speed.

my biggest concern is that it will make for boring games playing IF. it removes tactics. and that is much worse than just getting a weak CT.

>>54392128
Because MUH LOYALIST TRAITORS snowflakes are the worst.

>>54392094

To be fair, it's -half- the benefit death guard get.

>>54392143
No it's not.

>>54392144
I think he meant primaris

>>54392157
I assume just because most other people don't play that army. I play orks, I can't help you. I have no idea what any of those guys do, because I've never even fought them.

>>54392000
nope, sorry. get LasPreds or Devastators.

>>54392157
>Forgeworld
>Spamming Shadow Spectres
Spam-lists are annoying to fight at the best of times, but if you spam a Forgeworld unit that is frankly a bit too good to be fair, then you approach ignore-and-refuse-to-play territory

>>54391994
There is no point then, Much better idea to buy Prospero, sell ahriman and the termis and get the Cataphractii box.

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>>54391391

Just buy and play your minmax shit that you wont paint and will sell as soon as it's no longer OPTIMal and fuck right off

>>54392203

Yeah clearly they just retired those loyalist iron warriors onto a farm and that UM successor with the iron warriors symbol is just a coincidence.

>>54392074
facebook users are cancer, that's why.

>>54392201
Death Guard are way more expensive. They pay for that ability on every model. Space Marines can just take whatever, pay its regular cheaper points, slap IH Tactics on and have a free 6+++.

>>54392201

I really hope one of the Necron dynasties gets a FNP equivalent so I can play fluffy but varied Necrons properly instead of this reanimation that mostly helps gigantic warrior blobs shite.

>>54392094
>marines get shield of faith
>bitch about it
>its free
>call it worthless
Why are marine player such faggots.

>>54392213
I never actually read lists here. Is that faggot really spamming those?

>>54391367
The Salamanders one has a chance to be a tank-general's orgasmi dream, but it depends on the applicable rule. because once again the wording is unintuitive as fuck.

Is it a single hit and wound reroll PER unit, or a single hit and wound role per phase? As in essentially they give you a free CP per shooting phase?

If it's the latter it'll be amazing if you spam tanks, if not them it's decently useful if you don't want to rely on detachments to have lots of CP for rerolls.

>>54391705
>I doubt the Mech would waste outright uploading on every one of a couple million Skitarii
How about a few dozen personal bodyguards of an eccentrc magos? It's not like we'd be using any more than that on the tabletop.

>>54392263
What? It's not ambiguous at all. It's per unit, it says it right in the fucking rules.

>>54392260
26 Shadow Spectres in 3 units. I'd say so

>>54392257
It's significantly better than SoF, actually.

>>54392207
I understand. I tried to put some basic information out there and what I intend to do if everything falls favorably into place but I haven't done any playtesting.
>>54392213
>implying shadow spectres are OP
They're good, I give you that but W1 T3 and 3+ is the balancing factor. Not to mention corsair allow them to work in ynnari because soulburst would be pointless when a unit is faster than the rest of the army

>>54392263
only infantry, bikers and dreadnoughtsbenefit from CT. the purpose of the salamanders one is cöearöy to make meltafire reliable.

>>54392273
>>54392273

Ork Thread, any Boyz in 'ere wanna chat?

>>54392237
>No proof beyond they both have skulls for symbols

Uh-huh.

>>54392263
>If it's the latter it'll be amazing if you spam tanks
It IS the latter, but it doesn't fucking work on tanks, jesus fuck, it's right there on the Warhammer Community page. Infantry, Bikes and Dreadnoughts. Period.

>>54392285
And he wonders why people begrudge his list? Jesus.

>>54392136
My bad. I'm asking which army would be better for someone starting.
>>54392144
The new unit of SM.

>>54392309
>Dreadnoughts
Take billions of dreadnoughts with lascannons and autocannons.

>>54392302
>cöearöy
Dir ist die Hand ausgerutscht, Hans.

>>54391927
I don't even know what a "Aquila Strongpoint" is.
Someone redpill me?

Question regarding magnets
Does anyone use them on their bases. So you can simply slap your models into metal surfaces for easy transport?

If so how thick do they need to be? 2mm seems to be the sweet spot.

>>54392286
Shield of Faith also gives you a D6 psychic power deny which is pretty nice.

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>>54391934
Get BoP for based Mark III armor. I'm doing pic related for my IW army. You can then flip the sisters, Yiff, TS Ahriman, and Custodes on eBay for maximum profit

>>54392265
Yeah, that would work fine, especially if you give a few "upgraded augments" with IA14 and toss some Thallax or Mymidons or something in there. I really want a Myrmidon Archmagos honour guard.

>>54392306

Yeah you might want to read all of Dantiochs adventures, it's about as confirmed as Blood Ravens being TS

>>54392328
Or, you know, Multimeltas.

>>54392263
>I can't read but feel the need to expound on tactics.

>>54392338
A big fortification with a fuck-off huge gun on it.

Use this song as you will. It is to the tune of "Marching Through Georgia." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMRLnSYWbQ)

Bring the good old bugle, boys, we'll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it, 50 million strong
While we were marching on Cadia.

Chorus:
Hurrah! Hurrah! We bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! Destroying heresy!
So we sang the chorus from the Kasrs to the sea
While we were marching on Cadia.

How the gangers shouted when they heard the joyful sound
How the trakis gobbled which our commissary found
How the apple-peaches even started from the ground
While we were marching on Cadia.

Chorus

Yes there were Imperium men who wept with joyful tears,
When they saw the honored flag they had not seen for years;
Hardly could they be restrained from breaking forth in cheers,
While we were marching on Cadia.

Chorus

"Gen’ral Creed’s Imperium boys will never stop our blight!"
So the saucy traitors said and 'twas a handsome sight
Had they not forgot the forces of the Emp’ror’s might
While we were marching on Cadia.

Chorus

So we made a thoroughfare for Imperium and her train,
Six hundred miles in latitude, three million to the main;
Treason fled before us, for resistance was in vain
While we were marching on Cadia.

Chorus

>>54392321
OH.
Loyalists don't have to deal with Chaos weirdness, if that helps.

>>54391178
I do appreciate how they used blanche art for everything in that pic. I noticed this rulebook really marked a return for hand-drawn pictures, or at least less obnoxious CG and digital art. It's a good feel for 40K's second big tonal shift edition.

>>54392247

Yeah last edition's reanimation was a bit too strong, but the concept: Extra chances to survive every single wound, was the most accurate and universally applicable representation of self repair yet. It helped chaffy warrior blobs, elite units like destroyers and characters equally.

A very simple approach compared to lying models on their side as counters or constantly trying to reanimate all game long, but honestly elegant for how straightforwards it was.

>>54392348
Except it's not.
Not at all.
All you have in conjecture.

>>54392242

Yeah, but when one legion has a 6+++ and the other has a 5+++ and improved toughness, I can see why the 6+++ one feels short changed.

>>54392395

You might as well say that Ianus isn't Janus because one letter is different and that it's absolutely not confirmed that the Grey Knights were created from a shard of Magnus, it's about on the same level

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>>54392390
New book, used 3rd edition art for Imperial worlds, but left civilized worlds out.

>>54392342
>D6 psychic power deny which is pretty nice.
no its not.
You'll only ever deny warp charge 5 powers, if your opponent rolls exactly 5, and you roll exactly 6.

>>54392234
Dude I have big plans for them. I want to either cast the rock in clear resin and make them in a glacial field or make necron crystals with LED in them in either the same snow or marshland, the light shining through murky water scenic

As soon as I saw spectres I didn't need to know their datasheet. I wanted to take as many as I could in an army while keeping a balance. Yvraine helping the scourge gives me the multiwound firepower the list needs. I'll play that army forever. How does it not look fun?
>>54392260
Better than spamming stormraven. Or vultures. Or malefic lords or exalted. Give me a break here, nobody else runs them at all

>>54392342
This comes into effect basically never ever.

First the psychic power needs to be Warp Charge 5 or lower, which off the top of my head is literally only Smite, then they need to actually roll EXACTLY a 5 to manifest it, and then you need to roll a 6 to counter it.

It's less than 2% chance to go off.

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>>54392420
While saying this retarded things are civilized worlds.

Nu lore is just retarded lore again, even if they are better looking

>>54391367

I'm tinkering with an all-dreadnought army right now, which chapter tactic is most useful for me do you think? My colour scheme is an OC chapter so I can use whichever.

>>54392409
Nope. Because the fluff lists the Silver Skulls as Ultramarine successors.

>the Grey Knights were created from a shard of Magnus

This isn't true either. He may go on to become their first supreme grand master, but their gene-seed is from the Emperor.

>>54392425
It is is there though.
Not sure if free considering how much SoB cost.

>>54392074
It's okay but we were expecting something new like every other chapter got. They literally just copy and pasted IH because they don't give a fuck.

>>54392444
Anon, those are kinds of civilised worlds now.

>>54392448
Salamanders or Iron Hands are your best all-around options. If you go heavy on shooty, Ultramarines, if you go heavy on RIP AND TEAR, White Scars.

>>54392345
But Catapractii...

>>54392469
1.85% chance to deny a single psychic power is such a waste of time they shouldn't have even bothered to print it.

>>54392461

>Lists silver skulls as ultramarine sucessors

Yes, that would be what Gulliman pulled strings to have their paperwork say.

>Emperor's gene seed

Yeah, sure buddy.

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Anyone know where I can find the Binaric Succession audiobook? It's the book with this scene in it.

>>54392478
Nop that is a civilized world >>54392420

You need to be not a shithole to be called civilized world.

>>54392488
Cataphractii looks too ornate for Iron warriors bro. Tartaros has a more hard edged "just have it work" look that Iron Warriors is famous for.

>>54392475
This! How come everyone else gets new rules and we're always the fucking same!?

>>54392497
>Ignores canon in favour of fanfiction

>>54392479

I think on average I tend to run 10 dread lists with about 4 purely shooty dreads, 2 purely punchy dreads and 4 mixed dreads which try to get into rip and tear range whilst supplementing my anti-horde fire on the way over.

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>>54391917

>>54392535
Fuck off, Carnac.

>>54392527
Meh, maybe. What's my best HQ option as IW?

>>54392392
>prefers old reanimation to new/classic reanimation
what is wrong with you?

>>54392407

Yeah except the one you're envious of has like 21 ppm cost.
Sorry you can't have your models cheaper and better than everything

>>54392572
>I'm Carnac because I don't hold his fanfiction over canon

>>54392555
Don't worry anon.

They were down to a single Dreadnought even before the Great Rift happened!

>>54392407
That's a ludicrous comparison though.

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Package came today!

Wonder what is inside?!

>>54392022
Read the rules dummy

>>54391186
Glorious. Wish I had the patience to make such an army

>>54392531
Because GW has SJW's working for them now and they don't like to think.

>>54392599
I hope it's an ISIS dwarf that kills you

>>54392574
>prefers old reanimation to new/classic reanimation
>what is wrong with you?

I have the common sense to like an elegantly simple rule that applies equally well to every unit that has it instead of having mixed results?

>But getting back up!

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of putting my painted models on their sides, honestly. It's a bit nostalgic for when I started in 3rd I guess, but not very practical.

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>>54392599
>>54392624
Close. I mean, buying from Bongistan is practically funding extremists right?

>>54392599
inb4 some reddit screencapfaggots try to meme your unboxing with LOL BTFO XD after the reveal

>>54392599

Felinids?

>>54392638
No one cares.
Either show it already or fuck off.
You don't get upvotes or likes by posting one image at the time.

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>>54392638
>>54392624
Though desu death is a better fate than assembling three of these. In time for Konor, no less.

>>54392646
I wish.

They couldn't think of something more interesting for the Iron Hands?

>>54391172
CT?

>>54391217
>Chaos Champions, 10 mellinia old, masters of combat, dreaded slayers of a thousand worlds

Killed 10 of them with a pair of space-Sherman manned by a bunch of 20-year olds with no combat experience. In round 1.

Why do both the Raven guard and white scars faction focus articles suggest it's an amazing idea to charge inceptors into close combat?

>>54392659
It's call tension unboxing and has been done on /tg/ since the birth of /tg/, no one does it for upboatz ;^)

>>54392668
Iron Hands aren't very interesting.

>>54392678
Because then they are immune to counter-fire while they can keep firing their pistols.

>>54392666

Ah, Imperial Killa Kans. Nice.

You got any already? How do they perform?

>>54392423
>Other faggotry is worse, so my faggotry is okay
You can just fuck right off.

>>54392596
I'd paint them instead of Blood Angels if I could do the chapter badge. I'm just hoping what was left, if any limps back to Baal. They could get their own rules separate from BA and Flesh Tearers.

>>54392334
is spät

>redpill me
kys

>>54392678
They want you to buy Inceptors.

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>>54392603
?

>>54392668
Literally who

>>54392702

Assault weapons actually, though they can fall back and shoot.

The thing is though, they absolutely aren't an assault unit. Charging them into something is a niche tactic of opportunity for when what they charge can't realistically hurt them with overwatch or assault, otherwise your expensive two wound dakka platform with 2 attacks per 50 points and no close combat weapon is giving the enemy more chances to kill one and lower their utility.

>>54392708
>I'd paint them instead of Blood Angels if I could do the chapter badge

You can't do a loveheart? Use some Biel Tan transfers or print your own.

>>54392666
Literally thought it was some old metal killa kan. Looks like I'm buying some for konversions.

>>54392736
a first founding chapter, you little maggot

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So following that article about successor chapters, which chapter tactics would you say best fit the no true scotmarines? I'm leaning toward salamanders, strangely enough, as those rerolls help with the whole "slay more with a claymore" thing. Black templars seem the other obvious choice, being another chapter all about hitting the enemy with swords.

>>54392668
They should've made shooting attacks against their infantry -1 strength like in 30k. Just a 6+ fnp is boring.

>>54392626
>literally puts his models on their side
Are you autistic? Just move them to the side. Is it that hard to keep track of a units original size without some sort of visual marker you can count?

>>54392668
They had that for a while now and it's useful and practical if not very fancy, just like the chapter itself. It's perfect for them.

>>54392812
BT, Sallies, or SW (not tactically, but unit-wise with Grey Hunters and such).

>>54392810
Wait they are? Don't actually play marines, I always thought they were some successor.

>>54391740
started guard back in '13, I'd buy a squad, then spend a week painting it. A squad a week, for 2 months. then I starting a tank a week, etc. so, about 6 months. Pro tip: dont buy new shit till your old shit is painted

>>54392812
Just take your progenitor tactics and don't fuck around. White Scars are plenty good.

>>54392732

1) rolls to hit of 1 always fail, so no point going for the 1+ unless there's an enemy with a hit modifier involved

2) you can buy a Spartan for the price of a rhino primaris and an excelsior and be dramatically better at transporting and shooting

>>54391211
I have to say, duncan is a goddamn treat. Even if I've come to not like some of his colour techniques, it was his guides that helped me get better at painting.

>>54392829

How do you adress that characters don't reanimate at all now?

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>>54392764
The damn white black checkers. I wouldn't be able to do it justice.

Anyone know how ordering from miranda irene works? do I just use the website? Is it a scam?

>>54392812

BTs, no question

>>54392849
Well, their Primarch died in the opening of the HH and they were always underplayed because

>they're unsympathetic assholes
>boring color scheme
>gotta convert cybernetics
>boring playstyle

>>54392883
They get living metal. That's their self repair.
If something hits a character so hard that it kills them outright, then they go "Fuck this shit I'm out" and phase back home.

>>54392895
>>54392895
Place an order on the site, but don't put any info in. It'll give you a confirmation email, reply to that and ask to use Paypal.

>>54392678
It's a perfectly fine idea if you're not up against a melee army. They go from only doing damage in the Shooting phase to doing damage in both the Shooting and Fight phase, they go from getting shot next turn at enemies full BS to getting shot on 6's from Overwatch and then their enemy is tied up next turn, and they don't lose out on any offensive output on their next Shooting phase thanks to Fly.

>>54391186
What heavy weapons team work the best other than lascannons? I want to get some new models for new ed and heavy weapons seem good.

>>54392706
I have yet to run them. I tend to play by 'does it look cool' - but everyone on 40kg have thus far told me they are really good -if- they get into melee... and they are decent at making it into melee.

>>54392776
At $35 it isn't to bad...getting them in stock is the difficult part.

GW has 45, make that now 43, on order that should go on sale in August. I got mine early as they charged me for stock they didn't have.

>>54392921

>Living metal

Gay, the line between an alive character and a dead one is really thin this edition.

>>54392889
>Yellow
>Checker pattern with symbol in middle of checkers
>Single red highlight

Are we sure this scheme wasn't used to haze new GW employees?

>>54392982
>the line between an alive character and a dead one is really thin this edition.
Fucking good, about time.

>>54392949

Okay now explain the Raven Guard page hyping using a stratagem to give them a first turn charge.

>>54392599
Anthrax? I hope it's anthrax.

>>54392990

Are you assing me? Characters were always fragile barring smashfucker style bullfuckery.

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>tfw this makes you want to start sisters to save a few from the rain

What are the best units for sisters right now? Only model I have for them atm is Celestine.

>>54392982
Protect your leaders then faggot.

So a cryptek phases out for 5 minutes after eating a meltagun to the face. Is that so hard to believe?

>>54392707
Sounds like you play an army that didn't get much love. I'm sorry to hear that. But please don't ruin it for people that are actually having fun

>>54393029
Then you have the best unit for sisters already.

>>54393011
>shoot
>charge with a tiny chance of dealing mortal wounds
>save from enemy fire next turn
>your next turn, fall back, shoot again
Is this really so hard?

>>54393066
>I can only have fun by spamming excessively powerful units
>Not just taking a few for utility and flavor because I really like the model and lore, but literally spamming an army of them

I play fucking Tyranids. Being top tier doesn't stop me from calling out faggots like you.

>>54391217
>When I win, I wipe out whole companies of special irreplaceable snowflakes and special characters who keep the enemy afloat.
>When I lose, congratulations, you killed a Maniple of Skitarii and some lowranked techpriests. Send in another six.
This is exactly why I love playing Nids and GSC.

Opponent wins? Congrats you killed a bunch of emotionless murder machines that were literally born last night and had no qualms about dying, they were going to suicide themselves into acid pools after they killed you anyways. Or, congrats you killed a bunch of fanatic civilians with jury-rigged mining gear, most of whom were originally part of your Faction. My Hive Fleet lost Genestealer #54674678345346 and didn't even remember he existed anyways.

But if I win? Holy fucking kek, my opponent's MOST SPECIAL MOST EPIC SUPER HEROIC LEGENDARY 1-IN-100BILLION ELITE OF THE ELITE SPECIAL FORCES ANCIENT 300 YEAR OLD SUPERWARRIORS just got fucking btfo by a bunch of mindless drones and/or dirty untrained rebels, welcome to reality cunt where raw numbers mean more than all the training and equipment you can even imagine, you aren't special in this cold unfeeling universe.

>>54392945
I-is this site to be trusted? How's the quality? I'm just looking for discontinued stuff, and I don't mind a little wait if the quality is good.

>>54393135
Yeah, she's the best quality of all the recasters. More expensive than most, though. I have Coteaz from her, it's 10/10 (less warping than some official versions I've seen).

Which Taurox option is best? I'm putting together an Inquisition force for Fate of Konor and decided to plug in some stormtroopers. Missile launcher seems good but way to fucking expensive, and both other cannons seem meh, albeit with good dakka. Which do I choose? Hell, what side guns do I take?

>>54393123
>nids
>top tier
I really like them and want to make an army around them, not make them around an army. Why are you being such an insufferable cunt?
You don't even know how the army performs on the table.

>>54393028
>Characters were always fragile
>could literally just join units to become untargetable
>even if the opponent had precision shots, he had to roll 6's to single out the character and then they could still Look Out Sir on a 2+
>all come with invulnerable save granting wargear
>all dogpile together into one big unit you could cast invisibility on, or any of the bullshit re-roll saves powers from Eldar, etc etc
Did you even play last edition??

>>54393133

You sound like you have issues that you project into the game

>>54393160
Punisher and HSVG. If you move at all you're hitting on 4+, you need the dice.

>>54393160
For killing MEQs prime with volleygun and gatling

>>54393029
I hate that pic

>Vortex Missile Silo
>D6 mortals wounds on hit and D6 more if they live.
T-thats a typo right? How is this not the most broken shit ever?

>>54393160
Gatling and two volley guns.

The strongest loadout would be missile launcher plus two autocannons, but as you said, it's fucking expensive, so only use it if for some reason you want to ruin everyone else's fun at a power level event.

>>54393195

It hits on a fucking 5+

>>54393159
>best quality of all the recasters
Alpharius' recasts, while limited, are the best there are. Miranda's a very close second, though.

>>54393195
hits on 5+, and the extra D6 is only for single models that survive (i.e. characters).

>>54393184
But anon, that is literally every /tg/ neckbeard ever. The best thing you can hope for is to know what your issues are.

Who is the most depressed/misunderstood Primarch?

>>54393220
He's pretty darn good. Had a lotta flash on my salamanders stuff though.