Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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What's your least favorite faction to fight?

SM July 29th
CSM+GK August 19th
DG September 23rd

>>54395372
tau
just a boring ranged slugfest

>>54395372
No faction specifically but anything that spams units.

Just finished re-doing the T'au sheet, now with all of their index units, and with a much larger section for Crisis and Commander: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

I added a little extra something to the bottom, where I fiddled around with different costs of the crisis and commander models themselves, to see what values were necessary to get the two to be equally efficient, using mono- Burst Cannon and Fusion Blaster suits to test.

Fun fact: If you wanted to boost the point cost of the Commander model until it had equal efficiency to 42ppm Crisis suits, where everybody is wielding max fusion blasters, you'd need to make the Commander cost a whopping 149ppm. For equal efficiency, you'd need to DOUBLE its cost.

Of course, such extremes are less necessary for the significantly cheaper Burst Cannon, as in that case smaller changes are necessary for the same % deviation. Increasing the Commander to 120ppm would do the trick.

Man, this is messed up.

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>>54395372
>>54395372

>>54395385
Are these confirmed?

Also why is Death Guard releasing so bloody late? Unless there's some sort of Age of Sigmar release early September which would make sense I guess.

They're supposed to have 10 Codexes by Christmas though, only four out by late September will make for a pretty weird release schedule after that.

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>>54395372
Mine would be Necrons.

"Hey, let's give a faction with strong units the ability to revive every fucking turn! Don't forget to give their vehicles the ability to ignore damage AND heal!"

>>54395408
120ppm Commander base cost sounds like a good start.

Is Bob good enough to offset their mediocre Chapter Tactics?

>>54395420
it's a shitty forced meme

>>54395372
Tau

What was the short story with canon Necron lesbians called again?

Daily reminder to deny playing WAAC tourney fags in games and avoid playing spammy lists in order to not be cancer on the 40k community

WAAC tourney fags go and stay go

>>54395372
any horde ever

I'm new and by far the armies that absolutely crush my tits are any blobs of am, tyranids, or whatever. I just don't have enough shots to kill all those dudes and I haven't mastered any way to win *without* killing them. I really don't know what to do, I fight my friends blobs and he just shoots my marines from a distance then when I get there I don't even have enough guys to kill all the stuff. and I didn't when the game started either.

>>54395420
it'd just be 2 per month for 3 months. Doesn't seem too farfetched

Are Lascannon Havoc squads better than Autocannons for iron warriors?

>>54395465
Ultramarines are super solid even without Guilliman. Falling Back and shooting is not mediocre, even with the -1 penalty.

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>>54395420
>some sort of Age of Sigmar release
one can only hope... their general has been on life support for at least 2 months since their last release...

content drought edition >>>54385966

>>54395517
They're the inferior game and 40k just got the biggest update in its 30 year history. They can chill for a couple months while we get things sorted.

>>54395504
depends what else you're fielding really and who your fighting

>>54395372

Anything with Bobby G. Seriously, FUCK that piece of shit and his reroll everything aura. Also, 3 free command points for including him? Fuck me in the ass! Why not!

>>54395483
Honestly who enjoys fielding 7 riptides, ravenwings or fusion commanders?

>>54395551
>Bobby G.
Who? I'm a noob.

>>54395399
This

What's worse is that the shooting phase is never exciting for me because the shitty ballistic skill of most Tau units means the amount of models I lose per SP is about the same as most other shooty armies.

>>54395538
If I'm fighting marines what is the best? And how tf are wulfen supposed to be killed?

>>54395551

Honestly fielding a Primarch seems a bigger dick move than fielding a superheavy. A knight is pretty fair priced for what it brings, but with a Primarch the narrative dick sucking means they'll always err on the side of broken or at least unfair to fight against.

>>54395575
Row Boat

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>>54395372
Fuck guard. Those assholes are the new Tau. Every single fucking game with them is just "let me just soak up all your damage and then wipe out half of your army with my orders on turn 1" without exception. Fuck that noise. I've had more balanced fights against Girlyman and the Ultrasmurfs.

>>54395586
Protip-shoot them until they die

>>54395575
Robotic Guillesuit

>>54395598
Hah ok now I get it.
Not really...

>>54395372
Nurgle. So fucking lame.

>>54395611
Oh fuck I like this one

>>54395575
Roe-Bootay Girlyman

>>54395622
Robot Girlyman

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What generic troop aesthetic would be a good replacement for Cadians?

>>54395642
>>54395630
>>54395611
Ohhh

>>54395622
Rancor Greenmana (+2/+0 Trample)

>>54395339
so what's the preffered loadout for a knight?

dakka cannons x2?
dakka cannon + rapid fire battlecannon?
chain weapon + one of the 2 above?

also top mounted weapon worth it? if so wich one?

>>54395594
Once the others come back it's going to be fucking gay.

Though I am looking forward to seeing what they do with DP Angron. He's going to be a fucking BEAST.

>>54395622
Roland Gilamonster

>>54395600
>Started getting blob guard in 7 even though it was shit because it was fun and fluffy
>paint heaps of guys carefully and do a bunch of conversions
>now I'm just a WAAC faggot

Feelsbadman. The local eldar player threw a tantrum midgame because I was riping his wraithshit army a new one. Fuck that guy so much. Turns out hes collecting guard now.

Fuck.

>>54395665
Bring dakka and BC plus on top cannon for maximum cool

>>54395536
>They're the inferior game
well since AOS was the beta test for 8th I have to agree with you there.

>>54395372
Space wolves.

As a grey knight player it irks me to no end these cocks get to shit on us in the fluff and they get fucking storm shields on everything.

The guy would fucking ask for AP just so he could say 3++ invuln. It stopped being fun at that point. Thank fuck for mortal wounds eat a dick furfag

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Alpha legion

>>54395665
My Renegade Knight with double rapid battle cannons, stubber in chest and stormspear missiles and been my MVP since launch, so far.

>>54395622
Reginald Gooberman

>>54395656
Old cadians

Is there a diffence in size between a Space Marine head and a Primaris Space Marine head?
That fucker in the Hellblasters without a helmet is pissing me off.

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>>54395564
>Carcharodons are a Raven Guard Successor
>They use Raven Guard chapter tactics
>mfw

>>54395372
Eldar, but thats just because the only 2 eldar players in my area are WAAC tier all bikes all dark reapers all soulburst all the time anti-fun

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>>54395656
WW2 British. Plucky, sometimes outgunned. But never outdone in spirit or humour.

>>54395677
It wouldn't be so bad if a lot of guardfaggots weren't so gay about it.
>hurr durr I deserve this now

>>54395656
STEEEEEEEEL LEEEEEGIIIIIIIIOOOOOON

>>54395695
No, the helmets and pauldrons specifically were designed to be fully compatible between Primaris and oldmarines. Just slap a Mk IV head on him.

>>54395719
Bitching, cheers.

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>>54395656
Probably something like this. More 40k than generic sci-fi, but bland enough to suit various different styles.

>>54395551
Creed costs 1PL more than a regular CC and gives 2CP on top of an extra order. Justify that

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>>54395677
why are waacfags so fucking gay
>spam waac armies every edition
>lose with prev edition waac against your prev ed shit
>call you and your shit waac because you won
>start collecting your shit to be waac

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>>54395695
>>54395719
Good example here.

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I know this isn't WIP general but I appreciate you guys giving me an outlet to bitch about this magnificent motherfucker while I build it in secret. It'll definitely be a multi day project trying to do it under my roommates nose but it'll look rad as hell when it's done.

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>>54395339

>Some of the tempestus scions are wearing earrings

Fucking why?

>>54395777
Oh shit, that looks awesome.

>>54395777
Oh fuck that looks sweet
I can't wait until normarines get phased out

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>>54395656
Something along the lines of the Solar Auxilia. They fit the 40K theme better than boring Cadians.

However, I wouldn't mind going back to the old style Cadians. They actually had a charm and their models weren't boring as fuck.

If neither of those two is allowed I want something along the lines of the Militarum Tempestus. As much as people love to hate their chest armor, they fit into the setting 1000x better than a lot of models. The baroque style of 40K works greatly with them.

>>54395777
Mk3 helmets look way better with Primaris proportions.

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>>54395748
>power level

>>54395656
Man, I forgot how dope old cadian art was.

Emperor forgive me.

>>54395791
pic

>>54395791
Cuz they're high-class.

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>>54395812
>anon doesn't funhammer
>anon plays to win

>>54395748
Typhus being cheaper and better than LoC as well

Is 700 a good deal for this?

Dante
Mephiston
Astorath
Sanguinar
Jump Chaplain
Terminator Captain
~20 Tactical marines (10 are magnetized arms/packs for jump assault)
30 Jump pack assault marines
15 Assault terminators (5 claw, 10 th/ss)
15 Death company
4 Grav Cannon devastators
4 devastators with unglued missile launcher/lascannons/heavy bolters to change them in and out
10 Sanguinary Guard (a few are converted)
3 Drop Pods
5 Dreadnoughts (Two AOBR, one furioso, one death company, one librarian)
Stormraven
Land raider
3 Baal Predators
3 Rhino/razorbacks (weapons aren't glued on)
3 Land Speeders (weapons are magnetized and in small bag on left side of photos)
6 Command Squad marines
~3 Dark Vengeance bikes
8 normal bikers

>>54395493
What units are you running with?

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>>54395746
Transplant the Helghast into 40k as the new IG regiment standard.

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>>54395836
>bitches about Creed being too strong for his power level compared to a normal commander
>claims he only plays "funhammer" and doesn't care about winning

>>54395855
try to get it for 600.

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>>54395656
>>54395814
Back when Cadians actually had personality.

>>54395746
This goes along with >>54395805

However, I don't think they could go much worse than trying to make Catachans the main force.

>>54395665
Gatling cannons seem overall like the best choice, but you might want something a bit more capable of dealing with tough targets.

Thermal cannon isn't terrible, RFBC is also good. Basically all the guns are OK.

Melee weapons seem pointless, since you get the feet anyway and they are great.

All the back weapons have some value, but I'd say the ironstorm pod is what I would choose simply because it's cheap and can hit things out of LoS.

I was given Testor Enamel Paint and I just got my first box o' Nobz. I've read that enamel is a big no-no, so should I buy a Vedros paint set or use the Testor?

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>>54395790
Looks nice you are the best sort of roommate. Bet you make/provide snacks on game night too.

>>54395870
>implying I bitched

>>54395702
YES!! Any plans on more melee or chad termies?

>>54395790
What is it?

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>>54395777
WELP
IMPULSE BUY TIME

>>54395884
Don't do it, I learned enamel is bad the hard way.

>>54395372
Tau, but that's largely because in my meta all the Tau players spam suits, don't paint their models, want as minimal cover as possible, and have no grasp of combat tactics whatsoever.

>>54395871
Its painted as well. 7/10 paint job. Pretty good looking but not masterclass. Maybe I can use that as a talking point to bargain him down to 600?

>>54395932
Alright, thanks for the heads up.

>>54395686
More like Beta legion, amirite?

>>54395704
Mr.Monolith what is you 8th necron wish list codex wise?

>>54395680
If GH2 releases and AOS gets the same rules as 8th, I will literally cream myself.

>>54395682
lol this seems fun
can you expand on it / storytime?

>>54395354

It's basically 1 extra guaranteed hit, pretty much isn't it?

Do you think we will get primaris lost legion marines?

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>>54395895
For his whole DnD group that's keeping him busy for a few hours : ^ )
I also got him some anti-building Stonecrusher Carnifex last week as a gift too.

>>54395704
Aww shit, are Eldar bikes unfun?

I'm getting back into the game with my Saim Hann, but I don't want to be that guy

>>54395940
Way too thick, ruined a couple Necrons with enamel paint.

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>>54395777
Anyone have a pic with Primaris using Beakie helmets? It's my favorite helmet but I haven't seen a single model with one yet.

Also, 40k needs more left-handed models. (Don't try to push that bullshit "space marines use both hands" thing. It doesn't explain all the non-marines or the fact that 99% of marines still use the right handed method.)

>>54395966
Hydras will solve jetbike problems really fast I've heard.

>>54395957
Are you trying to fuck him or something?

>>54395704
>Plays necrons.
>Calls other armies unfun.

>>54395923

Idk about Primaris termies, but I basically use HH stuff for my sharks. Tartaros, MKIV (plastic MKV when?), contemptors, and shotgun storm scouts.

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>>54395924
Lookup "Aquila Strongpoint"
He didn't want a Baneblade like all the other kids so we talked him into THAT

>>54395872
WANT.

>>54396027
You have any pictures handy? I'm trying to start up some sharks and any inspiration would be great.

>>54396027
Good taste anon. A Mantis Warriors player here and I do pretty much the same.

>>54396001
It was his birthday and it helped me justify SUPER FUCK DEATH FORTRESS in <2k games.

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>>54396029
Should have talked him into the Primus Redoubt. Melts fuckers and looks awesome.

Is Know No Fear a balanced set to keep around for first timers? My own army doesn't divide well for fair beginner games.

>>54396075
IIRC his store was giving him 20% off that, a Firestorm, or an Imperial Strongpoint

>>54395952
They already have them, we just don't know if Cawl released them into the wild yet, and Guilliman says he doesn't trust Cawl not to.

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Land Raider Crusader or Land Raider Redeemer?

I'm not really sold on flamers this edition, while 2d6 shots of strength 6, AP -2, damage 2 seems pretty scary, an 8" range really cripples the potential, the hurricane bolters pumping out 12 shots of strength 4, AP 0, 1 damage from 24" away or 24 shots if it's less than 12" seems more reliable and versatile, and good for making sure my Assault Terminators actually get to their destination without their land raider getting popped open.

Plus with a Redeemer I could fit a Chaplain Terminator in with an Assault Terminator squad, but with a Crusader I could fit a Chaplain Terminator and two other Terminator models in as well, such as a Librarian or simply two more Assault Terminators.

>>54395372
Necrons, mainly because i have a friend who plays them and he is the biggest powergamer ever and proxies and FW models and on and on.

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>>54395987
Couldn't find one, so I shooped it up.
>Imperial Primaris Marine custom soon

>>54395810
>>54395928
>>54395987
>tfw want to do some part swapping on Primaris but my super 100% lore accurate armor autism demands to know if the Mk X is compatible with older components in fluff

>>54395987
I don't think the beakie helmets fit on them properly because they have the gorget like the Mk VIII.

>>54396111
Flamers are assault so move + advance and still fire.
Plus dat sick flamer overwatch.

I just like flamers though.

>>54395952
It is inevitable. The real question is if they'll be a special unit, an event, or only a thing in Black Library for a while.

>>54396146
The Land Raider Redeemer's Flamestorm cannons are heavy though.

>>54396124

looks terrible

>>54396130
I think that's been confirmed

>>54396164
oh thats a shame

>>54396171
I like it.

>>54396171
Dunno, I kinda dig it.

>>54396124
what is this pose supposed to be?
it looks like he just got shot in the back and is about to fall over and die

>>54396130
Marinelets can be upgraded to Primaris, it's been said that many veterans prefer to keep their old helmets as they are still fully compatible with the new armor.

>>54395855
How painted are they?

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>>54395987

>>54396049
Unfortunately, no. My models are currently in my disabled car, which is at the shop.

>>54396066
>Mantis
>silently REEEEs through closed vox network

Anyway, they're fun. Even if drop pods are worthless, especially Dreadpods, its fluffy.

>>54396190
Starting to jog? idfk

>>54396190
He put it on like an idiot, the helmet should be pointing the other way.

>>54396213

That's not a primaris that just a truescale beaky

>>54396248
Are you an idiot? He literally says in the post it's a photoshopped image.

>>54396190
Moving against the wind.

Does anyone know what Primaris look like with a chainsword on their hip?

>>54396216
>silently REEEEs through closed vox network
You know it.

>>54396261
>Primaris bolter
>Primaris armor
Anon are you blind?

>>54396213
Man, literally any other helmet looks better on the new guys than the default flatfaces.

>>54396261
>That's not a primaris

It is. He has MkX armour besides the head, and a bolt rifle.

All right people, I have planned an AdMech list, and I need comments.
Techpriest Dominus with eradication ray and phosphor serpentia
10X rangers, 3 arquebus, omnispex
10X Vanguards, 3 plasma caliver, omnispex, power sword
10X vanguards, 3 arc rifles, omnispex, arc maul, arc pistol
3X sydonian dragoons, 3 taser lances
Onager, neutron laser, extra stubber
Onager, neutron laser, extra stubber
2X kastellan robots, 2 incandestine combustor, kastellan fists
Cybernetica datasmith
3X Kataphron destroyers,3 plasma culverin, 3 flamers
3X Kataphron breachers, 3 Torsion cannons, 3 Hydraulic claws
Aegis defence line, quad gun

>>54396213
Looks kinda bad with the gorget imo

What I really want to see are the classic Mk VII hemets

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>>54396261
>being this wrong

>>54396190
Rearing back to land a blow with a power fist.

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>>54396310
There's quite a few but they all seem to be painted shitty.

Can you re-roll a re-roll now?

Thoughts on a list?

Autarch Windrider - Laser Lance, Fusion Gun - 138

Farseer Windrider - Doom & Guide - 171

6 Windriders - 6 Twin Shuriken Catapults - 180

6 Windriders - 6 Shuriken Cannons - 192

4 Shining Spears - Exarch with Star Lance - 175

War Walker - 2 EML - 111

5 Fire Dragons - 120
Wave Serpent - Twin Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon - 159


10 Guardians - 80
Wave Serpent - Twin EML, Shuriken Cannon, CTM - 174

>>54396130
Seeing how Mk X power armour is way bigger, only the helmets are compatible. The rest is not.

>>54396333
>Painted the black first

Rookie mistake.

>>54396373
Oh wow I take it back, that looks bad.

>>54396333
spoiler that shit anon, we share this hobby with kids

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Do custom and successor chapters still use the tactics of their parent chapter?

Honestly the deathwatch and thousand sons models hit the perfect balance?

Primaris look way too human in proportion, older marine models look too toy-like. Deathwatch and 1ksons are perfect.

>>54396384
>I have not read the rulebook
>Or the FAQ
>Plz halp me I can't understand this 40k edition for dummies and downers

>>54396386
The pauldrons fit too.

>>54396279
Like Primaris but with a chainsword on the hip.

>>54396384
No.

>>54396386
Pauldrons too.

>>54396404
your choice

>>54396404
Yes.

Yes hello I have question. Before the Eldar fucked up they were able to reincarnate in the warp. If there was an Alpha Psyker who didn't necessarily care about joining with the Emperor and didn't stray too close to a ruinous power, could they pull it off?

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>>54396414

>>54396404
No, if you play a successor or homebrew chapter you don't get any Chapter Tactics.

>>54396408
Agreed. Primaris are way too large, they look like minatures from a different tabletop game that uses a different scale models.

>>54396404
No, you can choose whatever you like. See the recent Warhammer Community article for example. However, keep in mind that you won't have access to any of their special characters if you do this.

>>54396404
Yes, there's literally an entire GW article about this, an official facebook post about this, and a whole thread up discussing this. Did you just wake up or something?

>>54396408
Disagree, Primaris look better proportionally than Deathwatch and 1ksons. The problem is they don't look as good design-wise. It's a style thing. You could make differently stylized models with Primaris proportions that would be god-tier.

>>54396312
I was only pretending to be retarded.

>>54396404

Usually, but if your chapter is wildly divergent of their parent there's no harm picking the one that simulates their style best.

Plus remember: You don't need to play a sucessor in the same playstyle as their parent chapter. You could play white scars chapter tactics without a single bike, for example. Or Raven Guard tactics gunline with terminator disruption units striking into enemy lines. The tactics can back a broad range of playstyles!

>>54396440
Nope. Successors use the Chapter Tactics of their founding Chapter (assuming it was a First Founding Chapter). Confirmed in today's WC article.

>>54395948
I want Phylactery buyable on my HQ's again. I want more in depth information about my favorite army. I want cool artifacts such as Voidreaper and Tachyon Arrow back, and I want a big pinup of Trazyn the Infinite posing sexily in front of the stasis cage of Creed.

>>54396445

>Primaris look better proportionally

No, they look more human in proportion. Astartes aren't baseline humans, they have wider bodies.

So has anyone got any nice custom Primaris poses yet?

>>54396463
What chapter tactic would crimson fists use then?

>>54395656
Great Coats. Valhallan could be default, although it would be even better if they kinda split the difference between them and steel legion and included heads for both.

>>54396504
Ultramarines

>>54396483
What new units would you like to see once the new codex drops?

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>>54395966
Its not that Eldar bikes are unfun, but its that the guy im talking about uses NOTHING but bikes. No wraithbone constructs, no walkers, no infantry, nothing but bikes and Yvraine so he can soulburst and be un-fun.

>>54396009
Melee focus Necron army is super fun to play against because as much as I love shitting out dice with my 60 warriors, it lacks the strategic depth I like to employ with Praetorians, Royal Court, and my Lychguard.

>>54395372
I stopped regularly playing 40k tabletop years ago, but judging from your responses, it seems that nothing really changed. The Tau, Necrons, and SMs are still a pain to play against and OP as hell compared to the other factions.

>>54396489
And Primaris aren't baseline Astartes, they have new proportions, so that argument is meaningless.

>>54396494

Wait for the fucking multipart kit you animals.

Do you have any idea how many morons I've seen buying up dark vengeance kits to "convert a truescale army" when they're clearly borderline snapfit monopose models?

And I mean Christ, it can't even be easy to convert Mark X armour into an earlier pattern, it has all kinds of little unique features.

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>mfw i found canoness veridyan and a savage warboss at a local gamestore

today was a good day

>>54396529
who the fuck plays with that little terrain? what a boring fucking board

>>54396518
As an Eldar player, I want Nuadhu Fireheart to come back

>>54396537
From what I've seen Necrons are far from OP. They only have one viable playstyle now and that's spamming warriors. If you guys have vids that show off how op Necrons supposedly are I'd love to see them.

>>54396545
Not really. I just kind of wiggle the arms about. I'm waiting for the proper boxes.

>>54396433
>Didn't stray too close to a ruinous power
Nay

>>54396504
Crimson Fists are a unique case that explicitly have to use the Imperial Fists tactics because they have their own special rules in the book which tell you this, including a Warlord trait, Chapter Stratagem, and Relic.

>>54396544

Then deathwatch or thousand sons with primaris proportions would be wrong, wouldn't they?

The legs weird me out, frankly. And the waist. There's something mildly unsettling about primaris proportions.

>>54396292
>>54396304
>>54396312

Look at these autists. Do you honestly believe someone would unironically think that wasn't a Primaris?

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>>54396569
Woops, forgot this.

>>54396581
>Merely pretending

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>>54396518
I would like more variants of Flayed Ones. (and in plastic mind you, I still havent built my resin ones)

Also more Canoptek things. Wraiths and scarabs are fun but I would like more variety or shooty stuff.

Definitely more types of Obelisks and Monoliths. Maybe smaller ones that work kind of like how Russ tanks work for IG. A small Monolith bigger than the Anny Barge that is a dedicated Anti-Armor vehicle. Because other than Tomb Blades most Necron vehicles use Tesla.

Other than that I dont really know. Maybe Tomb World specific units like how Anrykyr has the Phyrrian Immortals, I would like to see things like those as their own unique model while also keeping the ability to just designate a regular Immortal group as those units.

>According to the novel, Robby G has established a 11th company of Super Space Marines solely for the Ultramarines
>Not only that, but he plans to rule over the 500 worlds of Ultramar under his chapter
Okay, seriously, what's going on? Is Rob going to modify the Codex Astrates? Because having an extra company violates the 1000 marine rule and a SM chapter ruling over more than one world is also a clear violation of what Space Marines are able to have.

>>54396555
Muhmathammer ppl do
With dice roll odds apps
>super fun

>>54396562
>vids that show off how op Necrons
Actual gameplay experience > Videos. Go out and play against a Necrons player. You'll TOTALLY enjoy it.

>>54396578
>Then deathwatch or thousand sons with primaris proportions would be wrong, wouldn't they?
Deathwatch wouldn't since they're getting the Primaris upgrade just like all other space marines.

Thousand Sons you can technically do however you want since they don't even have bodies, they're just dust in a suit of armour. The sorcerers could just steal some Mk X armour, pour the dust in them and rubric it.

Whats the best third party 'whirlwind'-esque turrent?

Cant find to many.

>>54396555
That game was played as a 10 player open alliance match using the stores terrain. It was a 6 hour long bloodbath and it was really fun. But the terrain was just the bits that the stores usually have on the table.

>>54396433
No, because the Emperor doesn't reincarnate people. It was the Eldar god's who did it for them. This ended when Slaanesh nom'd them.

>>54396610
Codex Imperialis, apparently. The novel regularly points this out and basically comes down to 'nobody would argue with him and those that do are eventually swung around by his words'. There is a reason he wanted Mathaieu to be a buddy because for shit he couldn't do, he'd have the Ecclesiarchy say it was fine which would get it done.

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>>54395372
Imperial. I think it was a poor choice to let literally half of the units in the entire game share a faction keyword, and therefore be put not only in the same army, but the same DETATCHMENT!

>>54396610
>Is Rob going to modify the Codex Astrates?
Of course, it was never supposed to be cast in stone. It's not working for the current situation as well as it could, so he's making changes. After 10k years went by he's realized some of the decisions he made in the past are mistakes and now he's fixing them.

>>54396613
Warrior spam sounds like the only thing a Necron player like myself has to have a chance of winning. Long range guns will wreck most Necron units. Melee can effectively cancel reanimation protocols.

>>54396552
Should have left that shitster smeared on the bathroom floor where you found it

>>54396613
I think reanimation protocols should be changed so the army isn't pigeon holed to spam blobs of warriors and other units can have some price cuts.

Like check out Tomb Blades, absolute garbage for how expensive they are and they're only that expensive because of reanimation.

Still fuming over the latest Lion and Sanguinius art. Fucking hell.

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>>54396111
2d6 autohits with str 6. Ap -2, dmg 2 is quite good and don't forget that you measure from the front of the landraider, not the flamers anymore, so 8" isn't that bad considered your cargo wants to get close. I also would not stuff too much into it unless you are playing like a 3000+ game or otherwise you have almost your whole army in there. 5 Assault Terminators with a Chaplain in Terminator armor is nothing to sneize at.

>>54396674
>Melee can effectively cancel reanimation protocols.
Wow god forbid your factions super strong army wide special rule has some counterplay.

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>Waa why will GW never advance the 40k plot?!
Gw advances the 40k plot (doesn't even end times it)
>Waaa waaa! GW is ruining my setting!

>>54396615

I'm pretty sure pouring a rubric into a suit of Mark X wouldn't give it an extra wound and attack.

>>54396693
Out of curiosity what army do you play?

>>54396702
>trying to start a shitpost argument no one was even having
>while strawmanning this hard

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Has anyone used the FW Nids that aren't the Malanthrope and Stonecrusher or at least fought against them? I've only encountered the other xeno stuff and Guard shit so far and wish to know how they fare on the table.

>>54396716
Space Marines

>>54396610
Reading the novel is hilarious, especially once you get to Calgar's perspective. Poor guy just feels like a failure, he's even blaming Ultramar citizens for the changes his Primarch is proposing, thinks Cato Sicarius is out to replace him, and it seems Robby G isn't the heroic figure he thought he was, especially given that Calgar still thinks the Codex is some kind of holy writ that needs to be adhered to at all times.

>>54396679
It should be changed so that it's a one-off thing. Not a bullshit "every turn I get 'x' amount back". Every other army with spawning/respawning has a restriction except them. Get a pack of Immortals and sit them on an obj with cover. That unit will never fucking die because of their retarded saves on top of reanimation.

>>54396716
AdMech.

>>54396702

>Treating a massive setting as a single plot

>>54396702
Are you sure the exact same people complaining both ways? Are you positive about that hombre?

>>54396718
One of the resident shitposters is in the thread, why you surprised?

>>54396723
Forgot to take your name off.

>>54396737
Nids don't have an issue with it.

>>54396722
I have a scythed heirodule with me in case I see a knight to help balance it out. Other than that the other options are lacklustre (except the aforementioned SCC and Mal)

>>54396709
That's true but the discussion was just about aesthetics.

>>54396722
Outside of Titans nids don't have any FW models that aren't malanthrope and stonecrusher, and Titans are cancer.

Oh, except the Dimachaeron I guess, who looks really strong now.

>>54396610
He's Lord Commander of the Imperium, he can literally do whatever he wants.

>>54396767

Hierodules aren't even knight level.

>>54396732
Jesus christ why is modern 40k writing so bad.

>>54396702
>cafeteria gives you chicken every week
>"wtf can i have something else"
>drops a ladle of liquid shit on your plate
>"wow thanks for advancing the lunch buffet!"

>a food analogy

>>54396723
Reanimation Protocols are strong, but that's my only real advantage compared to the diverse playstyles the other factions have access to. Tbh I picked Necrons for 7th Edition competitiveness, not because I liked the fluff or models. My mistake was not going for Orks or IG that I do like fluff and model wise.

>>54396762
Even the Hierophant?

>>54396767
Cancer in the "no one will play with me because I'm a WAACfag" or "these models blow and I wasted money on my order from FW/Chinaman"?

>>54396796
>a food analogy
>Falling for the food analogies are bad meme

>>54396758
They have a restriction on their spawning. Necrons don't.

>>54396782

I dunno, "What use is a chapter master in a chapter with a Primarch" is a pretty damn legit question.

>>54396606
Is that a fucking yugioh card painted over there?

>>54396824
What exactly do you mean by restriction?

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>>54396848

>>54396823
>falling for the idea that I fell for a meme being bad when my post didn't even imply that I fell for such a thing while also falling for the post-ironic posting style as serious

zozzle

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>>54396848

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>>54396782
Seems like a natural reaction when the guy you literally revere as the son of God tells you "You're fucking everything up, let me fix it."

I went to warhammer world, and I fell in love with the Harridan model. I don't even play Nids though,what do I do?

So if Guilliman has to be in his suit 24/7, how does he shower?

>>54396818
Hierophant is a nice display piece. Sure it deals lots of damage but its value is a centrepiece for your army because you'll actually use it what, maybe twice a year at a big event?

>>54396385
gay

>>54396887
Retconed already. He walks around Willy nilly in DI.

>>54396850
A single type of 4ppm lightly armoured model with mediocre guns, and only ten of them can be spawned per turn per unit. Oh, and you need a 250-point monster with each unit to do it. Whereas every single necron unit has the ability, need no giant monster to respawn, and have no limit to amount spawned. Also, your elite stuff like lychguard also have it, whereas termagants are anything but elite

>>54396887
Why would you think he has to be in his suit 24/7?

>>54396888
So is the issue with the other Nid models just not having enough impact for their costs?

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++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (T'au Empire) [45 PL, 753pts] ++

+ HQ [3 PL, 51pts] +

Ethereal [3 PL, 51pts]: Equalizers [1pts], Hover Drone [1 PL, 5pts]

+ Elites [42 PL, 702pts] +

3 * XV9 Hazard Support Team [14 PL, 234pts]: 4x MV1 Gun Drone [32pts]
2 * XV9 Hazard Battlesuit: Advanced targeting system 2x Double-barelled burst cannon

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (T'au Empire) [31 PL, 609pts] ++

+ HQ [11 PL, 218pts] +

Aun'Shi [4 PL, 68pts]

Commander in XV86 Coldstar Battlesuit [7 PL, 150pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], High-output burst cannon [20pts], Missile pod [24pts], Shield generator [8pts]

+ Troops [18 PL, 360pts] +

3 * Kroot Carnivores [6 PL, 120pts]: 20x Kroot

+ Elites [2 PL, 31pts] +

Kroot Shaper [2 PL, 31pts]: Kroot rifle

++ Vanguard Detachment (T'au Empire) [30 PL, 638pts] ++

+ HQ [3 PL, 50pts] +

Ethereal [3 PL, 50pts]: Honour blade, Hover Drone [1 PL, 5pts]

+ Elites [27 PL, 588pts] +

3 * XV9 Hazard Support Team [7 PL, 149pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone, 2x Fusion cascade, Multi-tracker
XV9 Hazard Support Team [6 PL, 141pts]: MV1 Gun Drone
XV9 Hazard Battlesuit [5 PL, 133pts]: 2x Fusion cascade, Multi-tracker

++ Total: [106 PL, 2000pts] ++

>>54396757
I was insulting them.

>>54396848
What??

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>>54393501
>>54395097
Is there really no other way to make R&H playable? I'm not looking to compete in any tournies, just have some fun games.

>>54396552
Very cool. I was able to get some boyz cheap at a local story yesterday, so good luck is going around.

>>54396674
How the fuck does melee counter reanimation protocols?

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>>54396909
Mr.Monolith you may need to do this guy up as a crypt herald. Post results!

>>54396685
Yeah
Chaplain in Terminator Armor with Crozius and Storm Bolter
115 + 0 + 2 = 117
5x Assault Terminator with thunder hammer and storm shield
5x(31+20+5) = 280
Land Raider Crusader with twin assault cannon, 2x hurricane bolter, storm bolter, multi-melta
244 + 35 + 2x4 + 2 + 27 = 316

So that's 713 points tied up in what amounts to a single unit, would that really be worth the trouble? I mean it sounds cool, but I hear a lot of stuff in 8e is pretty good at fucking over elite infantry and maybe I'd get more use out of those 700 points somewhere else, but I dunno, I haven't played a real game yet.

I was really wanting to use my Venerable Chaplain Dreadnought, my two Ironclads and my Venerable Dread in this army as well, but those guys all together are another 801 points, which would leave me only 486 points to finish an army out with.

>>54396904
Gathering Storm Book 3 has Cawl and Yvarine go he should never leave his suit or he'll die. Well guess it was a lie as Girlyman does it.

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>>54396909
It's a joke familia, the monolith is dope.

>>54396552
>canoness veridyan
She doesn't have a special profile, does she?

>>54396945
for 7th yes, for 8th no

>>54396529
just fyi bikespam is kind of shit atm.

find something else to be buttmad about.

>>54396915
They're basically worse than Guard in every way with the exception of their Ogryns. FW did quite a number on them.

>>54396937
That's because that nigga is alphraius desu senpai.

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>>54396610
I read some shit somewhere that he was revising it.

>Screw the Codex Astartes anyway, imma crusadin

>>54396953
>for 8th no
Fack

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>>54396925
Will find napoleonic models to steal a trumpet from. I will see what I can do.

>>54396943
Shit sailed way over my head.

>>54396902
Good thing too, because it was even more retarded than usual for GW writers.

Isolated southern Vermonter here - is the western Masshole I talked with a few weeks back around? Want to have a game in like 3 or so weeks?

>>54396979
Well her main draw in 7th was her bonuses re-rolls for SoB units around her. That's now default anyway for Canoness (and all leaders) so in a way? Still a cool model.

>>54396979
8th is stripped down, more then a few characters were wiped for generic profiles. to say nothing of smashfucker

>>54396924
Reanimation fails if a reanimated model is an inch or less away from an enemy model. Orks or nids could wrap around the warriors denying them RP.

>>54395791
I cut them off or didn't use the heads. Not in my Guard.

>>54397009
Who in gods name is smashfucker

>>54396903
You can spawn more than ten in a unit, you just need the appropriate amount of Tervigons for it. Although everything else you said is pretty fair criticism.

>>54396782
>Lionize a guy to almost godlike levels
>To the point that you religiously follow his writings as if it was the holy word itself that should applied to all aspects of life, even political governance
>The guy returns, but he just looks at everything with disappointment, even his own star system isn't spared. and believes it needs a lot of improvement
>Turns out he doesn't believe his book was all that great, even admitting it has its flaws and should be changed
>He pretty took the position of the current Chapter Master of the Ultramarines
Fuck I would be hella depressed too. Calgar is redundant now that his Primarch is back. Either Calgar goes traitor or he dies a heroic death, because there can't be two Ultramarine Chapter Masters.

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grey knight heads look pretty good on numarines in my opinion

>>54396997

You say that, but his armour basically being a miniaturised dreadnought explains it's bizzare proportions.

Plus it -does- have all kinds of life support shit in it even represented in the rules by an ability that uncomfortably wrenches him back to life.

Would it be unreasonable to ask my opponent to allow my Blood Angels to use a Chapter Tactic since our book won't even be out this year and is likely to have a Chapter Tactics-like special rule like Red Thirst or something? Lightning Assault (think overcharged engines) and Righteous Zeal (for Death Company armies) both seem like reasonable temporary solutions.

>>54396613
>>54396737

Yeah, Crons don't seem broken. Just really grindy to play against. If you like matches that stretch on with endless attrition then might enjoy it.
I wonder what warrior+rez buff blob mirror matches might be like though? Must be a special sort of hell.

>>54397022
An army that centers around a space marine abusing the crap out of all sorts of buffs to get a character that will not die and kills everything.

>>54397008
Every model is going to have a rules!
*wink*

>>54396610
Roboute forced all the other chapters to split up, but while Ultramarines have successor chapters they all still reported directly to him anyway so for the "Ultimate Codex Chapter" it was all a farce anyway from the beginning. Roboute is as much of a fucking twat in the lore as his rules are in game. Fuck that guy...

>>54396977
I'm with him

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What do you guys use for tape measures?

I'm looking for a nice /fa/ tape measure.

Currently looking at pic related, but looking for other nice options as well.

>>54397056
Re-rolling charges feels the most suitable for BAngels, ultramarines works for DAngels, not sure about yiffs but rerolling charges is close enough unless you're playing longfang heavy

>>54397037
Why did you prime them blue on the sprues beforehand?

> >.>

>>54397087
Joking, right?

Can Imperial Fist hellblasters just obliterate shit without allowing the 3+ units to save when they are in cover?

>>54397056
Maybe from the SM codex. You making up your own BA CTs might not go over well.

>>54397037
cuz GK's look nice regardless

>>54397097
I assume so

>>54397022
a character you created using relic weapons, notorious for being hard to kill

>>54397099
What are the hellblaster rules?

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>>54397075
Nobody minds when you pocket one of three.
Just don't take the whole pack, that's bad manners.

>>54397022
A 2+/2++ with 2+ Feel no Pain Space Marine Chapter Master with The Blazing Sword or Thunder Hammer.

>>54397099
Yup

>>54397067

The only things interesting about Gulliman are his flaws, and the writers want to downplay those so he ends up boring.

Honestly if he wasn't a Primarch with all the GODLY SUPER BETTER THAN ALL baggage that comes with it, his empire building, assured he knows what's best for everyone attitude could be fairly intetesting.

He's kinda analogous to Ceasar stealing power from the senate.

>>54397075
>What do you guys use for tape measures?
A 4 dollar tape measure from Home Depot because specialty tape measures look tacky as fuck.

>>54397061
>>54397108
>>54397142
Oh right, got it now. We call them "primarch-in-my-pocket" characters.

>>54397062
They'd argue she is a collectors edition model and she got rules as she is just a Canoness.

>>54397149
Dark Imperium had him have flaws and self-doubt. Plus the whole "I made Sanguinius Emperor" thing.

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>>54397022
Some dead man.

>>54397016
That's it? You realize you only have to rez them in coherency right? The enemy would need a 360 degree surround to even weaken that absolutely bonkers rule.

If you want a rule that's actually counterable try Tau's Supporting Fire, literally useless without enemies that want to charge you.

Or Ynnari's SFD. Since vehicles can't use it you just have to weaken their squads to the point of uselessness. 1 guardian isn't going to do shit to you on a soulburst.

>>54397159
>primarch-in-my-pocket

Sounds about right, probably might even spank the primarchs

>>54397105
>>54397097
>>54397087

In case not.
Easy fit newmarines come colourized for ease of identification
blue=protagonist
green=icky cartoon villain

>>54396583

I like your purpmaris anon

>>54396635
I don't think it gives them a huge advantage because they don't share aura keywords

>>54397164

It's not really intetesting if only he doubts himself, dwelling privately on his inner turmoil. That's just navel gazing.

If I wanted to see that I could go down to a mall and watch the teenagers moping about.

>>54396737
Current re animation protocol gives me a fucking rager. Love my necrons right now.

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>>54397099
WAIT FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING CODEX YOU GOD DAMN LOYALIST PIECE OF SHIT IDIOT FUCK

>>54397067
>Roboute forced all the other chapters to split up, but while Ultramarines have successor chapters they all still reported directly to him anyway so for the "Ultimate Codex Chapter"

Everyone answers to Guilliman, he Lord Commander.

>>54397022
a nigh unkillable iron hands character that personified everything wrong with 40k and how abusable the rules were before 8th wiped the slate clean

the unholy fusion of psychic bullshit and full-on herohammer

>>54397177
I haven't actually came up against anything that's Primarch levels of tough yet.

>>54397179
Thanks buddy!

>>54397193
Well he was called out on his shit by Mathieu and a few of the Lords at the meeting.

>>54397195
Then maybe you can help me. I own 2C ryps, 2 Lords/Overlords, 30 Immortals, 15 warriors, 6 wraiths, 6 destroyers, 9 blades, 1 night scythe, 2 annihilation barges and I can't make a list to save my life.

new guy here. I want an imperial inquisition army but i heard its best to have a few of those guys mixed in with a regular army. So i was wondering, lorewise ( i know im a fag), which space marine chapter would the inquisition get along well with.

>>54397173
>You realize you only have to rez them in coherency right? The enemy would need a 360 degree surround to even weaken that absolutely bonkers rule.
You haven't played against nids yet, have you?

>>54397195
Shoot them with Lascannons or just a retarded amount of shots. My biggest problems in recent memory were actually Wulfen getting into melee with one of my warrior squads then krumping them down to 2 units before I backed them off and ran over the remaining Wulfen with 10 Praetorians.

>>54397230
Grey Knights, followed by Black Templars.

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>>54397226
For visual purposes this is where I was at.

>>54396529

Who is the qt3.14 in the back

>>54397230
Black Templars for maximum
SLAY HERITICS
WITCHES AND WHORES
etc.etc.

>>54397230
Red Hunters.

>>54397226
My core lists general revolve around a block of 20 warriors backed up by a cryptech, and two squads of ten immortals with an overlord buffing one of them. Take gauss or tesla on them depending on opponent, I fill the rest of the list with whatever seems fine.

Going either all infantry, or going heavy on vehicles seems like the smart way to go as well.

>>54397252
That's a cardboard cutout of a Primaris Intercessor in Mk X Tacticus Armour, my friend. You have a good eye.

>>54397252
My wife's daughter.

>>54397252
Please get some standards.

>>54397230
Red Hunters

>>54397252
I think her name is Janice, she is married to the guy with the book and plays Khorne Daemons alongside her husbands Black Legion.

>>54397266
That is literally my collection. I need to build a list with that because it is all I have right now. I also have BA and Eldar and I can't afford to buy new shit for all three right. Something has to give. What would /tg/ build with that collection?

I also have a Lord/Overlord with Orb and Staff, a Lord/overlord with just a Scythe, and an unfinished Destoyer Lord.

>>54396610
No one follows the 1000 limit in its entirety, Not even the First Founding Chapters who choose to follow the Codex. Just look at the DA: They have over 20 squads of First Company Terminators, over a 100 Neophytes outside the 10 squads, and almost every company has it's own veteran squads that should be made up of the First Company, but aren't. So the DA have over 300+ more than the typical 1000 limit.

>>54397230
Red Hunters. Fire Angels if they're Ordo Hereticus. Death Watch. Grey Knights.

>>54397319
Not to mention the 1000 Marine limit would be pretty much impossible to enforce strictly

>>54396529
>Praetorian Guard
Fucking GW.

>>54397318
If money is tight, definitely focus one one army at a time, also buy from discount sellers if need be, tho I also promote supporting you FLGS.>>54397318

>>54397177
>Sounds about right, probably might even spank the primarchs
He could indeed beat some of the 30k primarches.

>>54397347
Why do Praetorians trigger me so goddamn hard

>>54397336
Not to mention complete insanity in practice. You could never take a planet with just 1000 soldiers, even if they were strong, fast, and clad in ceramite.

>>54397205
Wasn't the whole point of splinting up the Chapters was to avoid another Horus Heresy, where one person couldn't have control over a large number of Space Marines? What's the difference between Lord Commander Roboute Guilliman and Warmaster Horus Lupercal? Because they seem to both have the same role of ruling over numerous marines, only with different titles for it.

>>54396961
Agreed, but I'd still like to play as them rather than counts-as IG

>>54396529
The Eldar player has a very punchable face senpai.

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>>54397230
Red Hunters are the official Inquisition army, mostly doing bodyguard detail for important inquisitors.

Grey Knights and the Deathwatch are related to the Ordo Malleus/Xenos and work alongside Inquisitors of those chambers.

Black Templars have fought plenty of times alongside the Inquisition even receiving relics from them as reward for their service. You could also have a particularly religious chapter work alongside an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor.

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>>54397394
W-what do you mean?

>one imperial guardsman mentions a rumor he heard about chaos
>inquisitor hears it
>this entire planet must be purged

the inquisition

Did Forge World add the stationary Supa-Kannon rules yet?

>>54397429
see
>>54395704
in response to
>>54395372
He is one of the people that have given me this opinion.

>>54397405
Roboute isnt Warmaster, his position is more like de facto leader of the Imperium not too different from Malcador's position.

>>54397449
That's why I defected soon after. Me and the boys go to ONE donkey show on that back water!!

>>54397438

typical gw lel

>>54397403
Space Marines are never used to take planets, they're elite shock troops that drop in, kill important shit hard and fast, and then bug out immediately, leaving behind the Guard to actually take and hold ground.

>>54397473
>Army in picture isn't jetbikes at all.
>Jetbikes in 8th ed are shit-tier.
>still bitchign about 7th ed when 8th ed has been out for such a long time.

get with the times nigga.

>>54397405
Gman was part of a council.
He's basically defacto Emperor now though, but only because the situation is so fucked up.