Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

After 40k rules were "Sigmarized", will the two systems have a unified ruleset? Some key differences still exist such as shooting in close combat and ranges for melee weapons. And 40k is lacking Rules of One. Will Generals Handbook 2017 sort this out?

>>54386493
We will see a new rules of one in GHB2 so everything is possible but I'm sure we will never see a shared ruleset for both games - there will always be differences

>>54386493
>And 40k is lacking Rules of One
No it isnt

And the two systems are still far too different. As long as AOS uses flat To Wound rolls while 40k uses a S/T comparison they can never be played together

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Could someone post the formula to calculate skirmish points for units with no official renown tables? I want to give my greenskinz a try

>>54387322
>implying 8th isn't the beta test for AOS 2.0
>doesn't realize AOS was the beta test for 8th

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If I want to run 1000 points of Tzeentch daemons, how many units of how many horrors should I run since each pink splits to two blues and each blue to a pair of brimstones? The whole splitting thing along with the great colours and greater daemon and heralds are what attracts me to this army as my first.

Helblaster Volleygun vs Organ Gun

Which is the superior artillery piece?

>>54387414
>each pink splits to two blues and each blue to a pair of brimstones

I think you just answered your own question

>>54387414
Doesn't the splitting end up costing points out of your summoning pool?

>>54387792
There's no points cost listed for brimstones and blues that I can find..

Must be covered under pinks cost.

>>54387928
its in the tzeentch book, it came out after the GHB

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In the Age of Sigmar fluff, can Lords or Champions of Chaos mortals still be summoned by their gods to momentarily fight in the Great Game in the Realm of Chaos or traverse the Realm of Chaos by themselves to partake in a challenge?

>>54387347
X/unit size/25

>>54387792
>>54388150
But then isn't the multitude host formation shit?

>>54388368
>25
You mean 5, right?

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>>54388631
Yes

>>54388631
Seems more like 6 from what I've tried rounding up, with an extra point added if they are spellcasters, another point if they are heroes...etc

>>54388451
Adding models to existing units doesnt cost points

>>54388794
20 renown for a warboss seems to be reasonable I think

>>54388839
It's not uniform, some heroes get 3 points added, some none.. There seem to be other factors for unusual units.

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>>54388227
Anyone?

>>54388796
Does that include the blue horrors they split into then?

>>54389086
>>54388227
Yes, yes. The Nurglite dudes in "Plague Garden" make pilgrimages to Realm of Nurfle and know how to navigate that realm.

>>54389366
did you add a new unit to the table? pay points

did you add models to an existing unit? do not pay paints

>>54389366
Sometimes
If there's no existing blue horror group to add to then pay up, but otherwise they're free

Skirmish starting renown for campaigns, 25 is too low, some armies like sigmarines can't take anything different from the shittiest hero with 2 of the shittiest dudes.
35
40
50
Wich one?

>>54389944
35 I say. It gives you the starting variety but still leave some space for expand

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Much improved.

>>54389395
Thanks anon.

>>54390154
square bases are disgusting

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>>54389777
>>54389454
But then what's "the starting amount if they're being added two at a time as the pinks die?

>>54389944
40 was what I was planning to do when I run mine. Enough for a hero and a few guys, on average.

I don't know why they suggested 25 renown to start with, considering that quite a few heroes are 24 renown.

>>54390828
GW game-testing™ I think. They didn't even give a fuck to look at the tables before release and try to build two or three lists for each faction

>>54390826
don't be a gonard, when you split add them to existing units or don't bother. The idea is you charge in with brims and retreat before they get wiped out, then charge in with blues and as they die they refill the brims, then retreat the blues before they are wiped out, then charge with the pinks and refill the blues then retreat before they're wiped out then repeat. If you want to summon a full unit during the hero phase then pay points otherwise just use the method I just described.

>>54390994
Oh, ok. I was thinking of just using them as an annoyance with point holding, but that sounds like a good offensive strategy. Why charge with them though if they have shit melee?

>>54391170
>Why charge with them
to keep the target unit locked in perpetual pointless unwinnable combat while you maintain board control.

>>54391233
Good idea. So I'm guessing run the pinkies in 10s, and the blues and brimstones in 20s?

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What's a better way (in appearance) to do pink horrors?

Duncan:
-white primer
-carroburg crimson wash
-pink horror
-emp children

Duncan blue horror method on pinks:
-white primer
-pink horror
-Druchii violet wash
-pink horror drybrush
-emp children drybrush
-emp children highlight

The first method would look similar to the silver tower horrors in being dark, and might fit more to the model's shape. The latter I'd expect would be brighter. What do you like better?

>>54391853
Maybe use the same method as the nurgle anon from wip threads? White primer, white base and bath your shit in shades

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>>54390955
>GW game-testing™
like how the re-balance team for GHB2 was like five guys eating pizza one evening for a couple hours pulling shit out of their asses before doing their exhaustive play-testing of all the changes the following afternoon...

par for the course

also daughters of khaine are neat

>>54392429
Thats pretty much what I do for all my nurgle stuff, just without the white base. But I find other gods more deserving of painting.

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Don't suppose anyone in the UK has one of these for sale?

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Orruk Great Shaman for 18 renown (Ironjawz Warchanter is 16 and Weirdnob Shaman is 24) and Oruuk Warboss for 24 (Savage Big Boss is 24 and Megaboss is 28). Is it balanced?

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Does anyone have know how to go about building a castle/tower thing like pic related?
I'm starting to think about building an Armies on Parade board.

>>54395396
Foam board and card stock /wip/ will be of more help.

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What is a nice starting 500 point Moon Grot army?

I was thinking a Warbos with Squig and Prodder with a core of 40 Night Goblins.

Wasn't too sure as I don't have the General's Handbook handy but from the army builder I gather you need at least two "batallion" units?

>>54396382
Fistly, AoS functions poorly at 500 pts, the minimum the book has requirements for is 1000. Second, it's 2+ battleline, 1-4 leaders, 0-2 artillery, 0-2 behemoths, and any number of other units

>>54396449
Right, I was just going by the Army builder in the OP so didn't know 1k was the minimum recommended.

Sounds good then I will try to see what I can get together with 1k.

Would you know a source of the magic items? I saw some listed in the army builder but I don't have the GHB.

Is it better to run gryphon hounds in units of 3 so one per unit can get extra attacks, or should they all be in units of 1?

>>54396568
For your army you can choose between six.
1. Meteoritic hammerblade. Pick one melee weapon the bearer can use (Not a mount's weapon) instead of attacking normally with that weapon they can smash the hammer into the ground. If they do roll a dice for each model (Friend or foe) within 3", on a 5+ the unit that model is from suffers a mortal wound
2. Talisman of protection. Roll a dice each time this model suffers a mortal wound, on a 4+ that wound is ignored
3. Gem of seeing. In your hero phase, pick an enemy unit within a foot of this model, add 1 to all ht rolls made by this model against the chosen unit until your next hero phase
4. Blade of vituperation. reroll one failed wound roll for this model, per enemy hero within a foot
5.Collar of Domination. At the start of the enemy movement phase, pick a monster within 3" of this model, then roll two dice and add them together, if the totals higher than the target monster's bravery, then it MUST make a retreat move instead of any other movement.
6. Battle Brew. In any hero phases, the holder can take 0, 1, or 2 swigs of the brew. If they take 0, nothing happens, if they take 1, add 1 to all hit and wound rolls for the drinker until your next hero phase, if they take two, add 2 to all hit and wound rolls for the model till your next hero phase, but for every future hero phase, the model takes 1 mortal wound. The brew does not run out

Magic items are one per hero and you only get 1, plus an extra for each battalion you have in play

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>>54390183

KYS

So anyone know where I might find Throgg's rules? I've checked the WoC scroll and he's not there.

>>54396764
Thanks man. Seem super situational.

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>>54397591


I'm thinking of building a force of waywatchers, hounds and warhawk riders... thoughts?

>>54398776
The hammerblade is meh but mite be okay for an army with low mortal wound output.
Talisman is purely defensive but not that bad
Gem is very situational
Blade is good for hero hunting
Collar is SUPER situational
Battle brew is the one everyone takes cause it's REALLY FUCKING GOOD

Is there any real reason to take halberds on chaos warriors?

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>>54385966

If I'm running a multitudenous host at 2k (should I even do that?), how many blue and brimstone horrors should I run in a unit?

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>>54399895
In my headcanon, Settra survived End Times & is currently killing Daemons like some sort of Egyptian Skull Knight.

>>54390183
You're not wrong. Round bases frame a model much better. If you're playing AoS, you should recognize round bases as the standard and the norm and base your models accordingly.

>>54399895
Shoo mr bones. You're dead and never coming back.

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>>54400142
Does this mean that Archaon is Griffith?

wanna start playing sigmar but torn on what army,
http://www.strawpoll.me/13474416
help me out

>>54400718
Well Archeon is a faggot so that makes sense

>>54400718
Does archaon enjoy pleasing old men for money?

>>54401142

i thought that was a given

So MengelMiniatures posted a review for Path of Glory.

>Still uses the same recruitment system
>Elites can now cost double (2 units basically)
>Subfaction+Grand Alliance specific recruitment and upgrade tables
>Seems like the support is really wide and that you can play whatever your collection is.
>Start Collecting boxes get a special starting roster with either benefits or drawback dependoing on the power in the box.


>http://www.mengelminiatures.com/2017/07/review-path-to-glory.html

>>54401814
From it looks like in Path to Glory I cannot use my beastmen, unless they are in the Beasts of Chaos section. Can anyone confirm that?

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can anyone give me a quick rundown on what this path of glory is?

>>54402167
Campaign supplement. You choose a Hero, who then gives you a certain allotment of units.

Bigger/more expensive characters get fewer starting units. After playing a game you can buy a new unit, or upgrade a hero or unit.

By winning games you win Glory points. First player to reach a certain preset amount wins the campaign. Glory point can also be used to buy units, upgrades, etc.

>>54385966
Age of Cucks!

>>54403097
Nice original meme friendo :^)

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I'm gonna make a 1000 point gitmob list. Should I go war machine, or wolf? Personally, I like snotlings, so pump wagons are going in no matter what.

>>54403785
Why not both? Get some war machines and some wolves? They serve different purposes after all.

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We're 2-6 weeks away from the new GHB, what are you hoping to see?

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>>54404150
>nerfing stormfiends
>skaven allegiance
>not pestilens
I feel like I just got cucked harder than before. This might mean tho that pestilens will get something in the nurgle battletome... hopefully.

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>>54404150
>changed frost wreathed ice such that it has a hit roll of what it used to have, but the same damage and range (which was what we all hated)
>extensive playtesting
This is just one big fucking joke, right?

>>54404150
I'm hoping magic will be made a bit more interesting. Modify the Rule of One for magic so that you can attempt to cast a spell more than once per Hero phase, but it can only be used to buff once per unit. I'm also hoping for a small pool of spells per grand alliance.

I'd also like to see some point drops for some elf units, since a few of them seem to be a little overpriced.

>>54404505
>infinite arcane bolt spam
no thanks

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>>54404505
I like this guy

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>>54404150
>Changing rampaging destroyers
Why though? That shit was great.

>>54393391
bump

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>>54404319
Honestly a Skaven allegiance is one of the things I've been wanting the most. Hopefully this means we're also going to be getting a Battletome: Skaven at some point as well, which would be great.

However since Verminlords don't have the 'Skaven' keyword I wonder how they're going to get around that.

>>54404640
its tedious as fuck, slows games down

>>54404821
You squeak-speak the truth. I think they'll tackle the verminlord deal in the tome with clan allegiances. For now, we'll have to use warlords, bells, and THANQUOL

>>54404150
Wait, is this a wish list or confirmed info so far?

Just getting I to AoS and got a tomb kings lot for dirt on ebay, I have a game tomorrow and want to know of this list will hold out

++ Pitched Battle (2,000) (Grand Alliance: Death) [1960pts] ++

+ Leader +
Liche Priest [120pts]

Liche Priest [120pts]

Necrotect [100pts]

Settra the Imperishable [360pts]

Tomb King in Royal Chariot [160pts]

+ Artillery +
Screaming Skull Catapult [120pts]

+ Battleline +
4x Skeleton Chariots [560pts]

+ Other +
2x5 Skeleton Horse Archers [280pts]

+ Battalion +
Royal Legion of Chariots [140pts]

++ Total: [1960pts] ++

>>54405284
>0 necropolis knights

why even play tomb kings if youre not going to bring at least 6 of those

>>54405284
TK are getting tgeir points costs raised

>>54405299
Working on either finding some for cheap or doing some kitbashing, but as it stands I don't have any

>>54404833
why? it's just like running all the units

>>54405336
no it isnt, run rolls are added to move value

an extra d6" move in the hero phase bogs the game down

>>54403848
Maybe... I wanted to theme them as either tinkerers or autistic huns. But doing both does sound more competitive

>>54405307
Maybe, nothing is final yet

All the competitive feedback has been that the TK nerfs were unnecessary... except for necro knights, those absolutely needed to be nerfed

>>54404150
>a unit can only be affected by one instance of a names ability at a time

Rip my skeleman archers causing extra hits on a 2+

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I bought "Skirmish" some days ago and I'm pretty hyped to build a mini-army with a Wight King with Black Axe, 5 Black Knights and 20 old ass skeleton warriors I bought 11 years ago, my very first miniatures. (pick related)

I'm not even re-painting them better, just adding some rust effects and verdigri

Really hoping to have some fun and get back into the game, I still have some ruins and a tower I made myself for the scenarios.

¿Any tips for Skirmish matches and Deathrattle itself?

>>54405420
From a competitive standpoint I can see them not being great unless you bring some cheesy bullshit, but from a friendly standpoint they can be kinda anti-fun

>>54405378
autistic huns can be done with warmachines and wolves, since the warmachines are really simple in their making.

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DEATH SOON

>>54405744
Looks like mordheim

Fuck i hope

>>54405642
no necro knights are definitely overpowered even in comp play

theyre strictly better than any other model in the game at 160 points, and thats BEFORE you account for any buffs

and the SKELETON and DEATHRATTLE keywords are the best keywords in the game, so they get monstrously powerful with buffs

>>54405788
>unless you bring some cheesy bullshit

Are you trying to say the buffmeistering necropolis knights isn't cheesy bullshit?

>>54399611
2" range

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If I'm running a pure tzeentch daemons list (I'm not going to use skyfire cheese even though they have the keyword), what are the must have formations for 1k and 2k games?
The multitudinous host looks like some annoying fun, but the changehost does too, alongside the host duplicitous.

>>54405788
>>54405956
>implying the points increases to TK wasn't because GW doesn't want products they don't sell to win tournaments

don't forget fyreslayers got across the board points decreases

>>54406715
That could be part of it

But if TK are winning tournaments it would incentive GW to bring them back into production

>>54407541
>Implying GW will ever bring my fantastic skelebois back from the dead

>>54407541
>if TK are winning tournaments it would incentive GW to bring them back into production

option 1): resurrect an entire product line and integrate it into the current production operation

option 2): change the numbers in a book so people will buy stuff GW is currently producing

not saying they wouldn't but it doesn't seem like that's the logical choice.

>>54408232
which one generates more money?

thats the only logical choice

>>54405744
Sike it's the new necromancy themed stormcast chamber

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>>54409673
>Sike it's the new necromancy themed stormcast chamber

mfw

>>54409673
I can actually imagine GW doing this. The lion face preview is likely SCE. That we know. So it wouldn't surprise me if he added more.

>>54410168
lord relictors arent new nigga

>>54410412
Man, as a Stormcast player, I really hope that lion isn't a new Stormcast unit. We have pretty much every type of unit covered, short of wizards, which Priests do just fine replicating.

Sure, there are some four strike chambers that have yet to be revealed, but Stormcast already got a pretty sizable release this year.

Old player out of the hobby since the end times with some questions here if anyone is willing to answer.
It seemed like some of the factions released came as a surprise(sky dorfs) so does that mean there is little to no lore/information on what could be released in the future? I mean except for the obvious like shadow elfs or whatever. I'm just wondering if there is something new to look forward to.
Are the "vintage" armies underpowered in comparison to the new armies, and would you say there is power creep even among the newer armies?
Are people actively playing this, and the related systems at your local club/store?
>>54387322
>>54387365
AoS getting a second edition using improved rules and a S/T system will likely make me pick this game up. That and more armies.

>>54411019
yes
yes
yes, yes
yes
rules will probably get updated to an improved version of 8th after they get enough public testing out of in in 40k. More armies are inevitable.

>>54411019
Ive actually been working on a S/T system for AOS for about two weeks

I started with the AOS starter box, eventually moved on to the start collecting boxes, and now I'm fleshing out the rest of the updated armies. Eventually I'll try applying it to compendium stuff as well.

One of the conclusions I've drawn is that a S/T system will be inherently broken and impossible to balance unless AOS moves to a system where damage does not spill over. However, this means rebalancing every facet of the game. The entire game would need to be rebalanced, starting with an overhaul to every single warscroll. It is a monumental effort - basically like creating a new game.

It's a fun side project, but I'm a video game designer so I guess I've got a weird brain

>>54411122
>yes, there is stuff to look forward to in the future and yes we do not know what it is.
Well that is optimistic, I mean I just wish I knew something.
>yes they are underpowered and yes there is powercreep even among the newer armies
Fug
>>54411146
I wouldn't say that is anything unusual to do for half the people on this board. I'd have fun doing that.
> It is a monumental effort - basically like creating a new game.
I really hope they do go this far if/when it happens. I need them to. I want to like this game/franchise. It can still have a system like that while maintaining a low page number of rules. 40K is 12 pages now.

>>54411146
I thought everyone said its impossible to balance AOS because of dice being random and the existence of buffing abilities?

>>54410412
>the lion is a SCE unit
>the lion
>new AoS stuff while GW is currently jacking themselves off to primarchs

As much as I want new age of sugar stuff, it's probably not gonna happen

>>54411474
>age of sugar
Fug

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Does anyone have scans of the Hammerhal books?

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>>54411474
This Lion.
It's super Stormcast.

>>54411551
I see only vampire.

>>54411639
What do Vampires have to do with Sigmar style lions?

>>54411678
Not that guy but it does look like it could be some type of monstrous bat-thing.
It could also be a lion biting an anvil which reminds me of high elves. White lions and Vaul to be specific.

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>>54411551
>>54411734
>>54411639

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>>54411734
It's too similar to Stormcast motifs.
I suppose it could just be a general Azyr thing, but I don't think it'll be vampires.

>>54406715
To be fair, they were overpriced from the start, and tomb kings were hilariously underpriced.

>>54411678
Shit he's right. Might be bat

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If I'm running a pure tzeentch daemons list (I'm not going to use skyfire cheese even though they have the keyword), what are the must have formations for 1k and 2k games?

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Hows this look? I love the idea of drowning the enemy force in horrors while still keeping some to guard the general.

>>54411551
>>54411639
>>54411678

They're Blood Angel Stormcasts.

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>>54413300
I'd kek so hard if they did this

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HELP

What can chaos do against big ghoul armies? Losing streak of 6+ games using lots of different shit for different strategies and getting 10/10 mad. What works for chaos in sigmar in general too? Promised myself if I lose the next 10 games in a row I'm ditching the hobby.

Do I just say fuck it and buy Archaon?

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>>54413600
>HELP
you're welcome

>>54413757
Kek

>>54413600
Use plagueclaws for hoards. Use the above for huge monsters. Use shit like skyfires and warp lightning cannons for elite units

>>54413757
neat, but
>buying 3-8 bloodthirsters
fug, I'll proxy it for now.
>>54413908
I appreciate it.

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>>54413908
holy fuck, I just looked up skyfire warscrolls. I have no idea how I missed a model this far after their release. I apologize for my retarded question.

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Would you say this was an improvement in the writing?

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>>54414006
It's also funny as hell to use this to tarpit someone for an entire game as you surround them.

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Related with this...>>54413600

Wich are better right now, Deathrattle or Ghouls?

>>54414125
Easily death rattle. One of the best keywords in the game.

>>54414016
Not bad but stormcast killing that many, they really are space marines. Just wish they looked less like them.

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>>54414125
And, related to this, anyone knows of they are going to make a Deathrattle Battletome or something?

>>54414016
Gibbous, my dewdrop.

I have decided to get back into miniatures wargaming but can't decide between AoS or 40k?

Are sigmar players younger than 40k players?

>>54405744
Looks like it could be a codpiece or ornament for a Primaris Codexarian in Gravis Ultramarine Terminarrator Armor.

The real question is when they'll reveal what that little dragon on an arm was hopefully Shadow Aelves

>>54415401
Watever it is, it's not gonna be soon, because look like this month, next month and the (two?) month after are marine and then Death Guard release.

Probably early 2018.

>>54415866
I don't think it'll be that long. AoS will probably start getting a little spotlight after Konor ends.

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>>54415401
>codpiece

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>>54415401
>Shadow Aelves
4 months ago... wtf

>>54416084
Didn't one of the Kharadon teasers come out some 8+ months before the actual release? The trident or whatever?

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>>54416173
4 months and 10 days... So shadow elves next week?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/04/rumour-engine-january-4th/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/15/the-kharadron-overlords-are-heregw-homepage-post-1/

>>54415091
I can't say for every store, but the vast majority of the players in mine are old fantasy players who never had time to really play before this streamlined rule set. We have one AoS player who is under 20.

Again, this is just the store I play at.

>>54415934
And I reckon it would be shadespire, which would be fun for about 1 or 2 months I guess.

>>54416330
No they were revealed a month before release. And only because It was Warhammer Fest. Which also tease Shadespire and Death Guard. I don't think they would release new faction before Shadespire. The only hope here is that Shadespire will get an Aelves warband. (probably not, it will be an Orruk warband)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/15/a-new-race-descends-on-the-mortal-realms/

>>54415091
At my store, most of the players are 20-somethings, and it's a pretty even distribution between AoS and 40k. The youngest players we have only play 40k, but that may just be because they can't afford two armies.

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>>54405613
>Any tips for Skirmish matches and Deathrattle itself?

Just play and have fun, and try to get a friend or something to do a shadespire campaign with you as well. Also can you tell us about your little warband? Who leads it, what have they done so far, why are they here?

Pic related is my own warband, it is lead by the lord of Plagues Lucnir the Infectious and his two Blightking comrades Skadol (right), and Egnalax (left). They also have a pair of Ungor brothers and their warhounds who accompanied them in order to track in shadespire in exchange for a piece of the treasure in the end.

>>54401142
He must have advanced through the ranks somehow.

>>54411523
It's in the resources.

How the fuck do I fight against Kharadron shits in skirmish with my Ogre warband?

Unless I throw my theme completely out the window and go for maximum cheese then they have a superior and cheaper solution to everything and even if I did that I don't think it'd be enough, is it just a case of "Kharadron are new, your ogres aren't, get fucked"?

>>54421520
Just call them nriggers and take the moral victory

In Honor of Norsca in Total War Warhammer, here is my Viking themed List.

Allegiance: Khorne
Bloodstoker (80)
Slaughterpriest (100)
Bloodsecrator (120)
- Banner of Khorne: Banner of Rage
Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear (80)
- Artefact: Mark of the Destroyer
Chaos Lord On Manticore (300)
- General
- Blade & Runeshield
- Trait: Violent Urgency
- Mark of Chaos: Khorne
20 x Bloodreavers (140)
- Meatripper Axes
20 x Bloodreavers (140)
- Meatripper Axes
20 x Bloodreavers (140)
- Meatripper Axes
5 x Chaos Marauder Horsemen (100)
- Javelin & Shield
- Mark of Chaos: Khorne
5 x Chaos Marauder Horsemen (100)
- Javelin & Shield
- Mark of Chaos: Khorne
1 x Chaos Gorebeast Chariots (100)
- Greatblade
- Mark of Chaos: Khorne
1 x Chaos Gorebeast Chariots (100)
- Greatblade
- Mark of Chaos: Khorne
1 x Chaos Warshrine (200)
- Mark of Chaos: Khorne
Slaughterbrute (200)
Dark Feast (100)

Total: 2000/2000

>>54422606
Fuck me, the Shorthand version from the sit is fucking ass when copied.

How good are Fyreslayers? Thinking of picking up 2 SC! boxes. They're a total steal

>>54422770
If you want to start a collection then by all means go ahead

If you want to start an ARMY then I would wait until GHB 2 comes out

>>54422770
Idk how good they are since I've never played against them, but those boxes are basically Magmadroths with all the other guys thrown in for free, so they're a really good deal.
Plus they have a battletome so they're inherently better than some legacy armies.

>>54422778
Fuuuuuck, how long to GHB2? I need more sigmar dammit, I'm burned out on 40k

>>54422806
>how long to GHB2?
No idea

It could be 2 weeks, it could be 2 months

All signs point to an August release, but nothing is confirmed

>I'm burned out on 40k
Me too

Competitive 40k is complete aids. I'm so sick of people spamming brimstones, stormravens, hemlocks, razorwings, imperial knights, etc.

Nobody does shit like that in AOS. Even the top tier lists like TK and Aetherstrike bring a good variety of units.

>>54422833
They haven't released any AoS in ages.

>>54422899
Last new model release was in May for Kharadrons. Then in June there was Skirmish. It's not high-pace, but it's hardly Spartan level of support.

>>54422930
Skirmish was hella fun I've give them that, but we haven't gotten anything really big in a while. I want a good global campaign

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>>54422972
Tomb Kings campaign when?

>>54423058
About when squats get a re-release. Oh wait . . .

>>54422806
Ditto. My friends and I are hopping back to AoS at least for a couple of weeks because we're just so tired of the 40k hype train that GW has been pushing for the last three months or so.

>>54422770
>>54422778
They leaked the new points for them ages ago

>>54423346
No, they didn't.

It wasn't a leak, it was a preview. Previews are not final.

New point values are not enough to determine if an army will be good or not. GHB2 also adds Allegiance bonuses for 20 factions and will likely change the entire meta game.

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>>54423245
Fug

>>54423376
WELL FUCK ME THEN

>>54423376
so you're a tomb kings guy who really, really wants the points changes they released to be reverted right?

Is the setting good yet?

>>54423878
Brilliant.

>>54423476
Other tomb kings anon, and those point increases all seem reasonable enough, most of their stuff was horrendously undercosted for the fuckery you could pull off

>>54423476
>>54424184
settra and necro knights need to be nerfed

royal warsphinx was overnerfed

>>54423878

No.

The models and the rules leave a lot to be desired still as well.

>>54423878
its getting better

stormcast are developing into something besides mary sues

rest of the mortal realms are being fleshed out

>>54413300
If you scope the force-org illustration in the new stormcast battletome, it appears to be the symbol for the sigmarine chapter master guys

>>54423878
When they finally release mordheim again after fleshing out some new models it'll be the tits.

The skelly warband for their upcoming board game and the bloodbowl teams and the warhammer quest foray raise my hopes for the golden age of mordheim 2

>>54423245
When you love squats enough, you make your own releases. I.e. heavily converting a guard army.

>>54425258
Lame and pointless. You can't rock up at your local GW with your totally-not-kharadrons-in-space army with your shitty homebrew codex.

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Interesting. So seraphon summoned by slann can exist autonomously in some situations, even persist beyond their summoner. And slann are not undead, or dreamed up themselves.

>>54425376
>lizardmen not coming from spawning pools

this still seems all kinds of wrong to me.

>>54425797
all the lizardmen are dead

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>>54425907
yeah I know they all got off the planet in their flying pyramid spaceships just before the warp-stone moon impacted. I just figured they would set up new spawning pools instead of being ghost magic holograms or whatever they are now.

>>54426168
all the lizardmen are dead. you cant set up a spawning pool if youre dead

seraphon are daemons conjured by slann. they take the shape of the lizardmen because thats what the slann remember

>>54405744
Devoted of Sigmar flagellants pls

>>54426200
But if they made it onto the magic spaceships and flew to safety, why are they all dead?

>>54425376
I wonder if they'd respond if I wrote like a night gobbo warboss and asked about how the dwarves and other gobbos deal with skaven

>>54426704
10,000+ years in space

lizardmen werent immortal like the slann were

>>54426788
Why not just set up spawning pools in the spaceships? I'm pretty sure the Slann and the Lizardmen came from space in the first instance, so wouldn't the ships be able to support all of the necessary infrastructure to maintain the Lizardman population?

>>54426862
the old ones created the spawning pools, and theyre all dead

except dracothion

meeting dracothion is what gave slann the power to create the seraphon

dracothion is sotek

>>54426862
The ships were the Old Ones, not the Slaans or the Lizardmen. Why would they have anything that would be suitable for the Lizardmen that were created on the world from genetic material already present on the world?

>>54425376
We already knew this when the Slann let a horde of Bastiladons(I think it was bastiladons) go free to roam the realms after he was done using them.

Through it's nice to get a clarification like this. Means people can make more of their dudes without the Slann being there.

>>54426704
Because they all died. Slann lived because they were so ANGERERY AND EMO. Seraphon are just Grey Knights. Which is cool; but they're back to being jobbers and non-protags.

But you want the real reason? Writers weren't given anything other than 'they have to survive somehow'. They're never told what to write exactly. They get given a checklist of shit to cover and then write everything in between. So when Josh Reynolds made Lizardmen escape; chances are he never knew they'd be killed off and then replaced by Daemons of Order.

Ultimately the only reason I'm upset with the change is that Slann have no reason to build Temple Cities. In WHFB, Temple Cities were on Geomantric Webs, meaning they could do shit better in a Temple City. Now? Now they're literally the most powerful wizards in existence (until GW brings Elves back), though not in crunch, sadly. Nagash is the only wizard more powerful and that's cause he's a God. So no need for a temple city, no way for me to justify building my Temple City again.

>>54426937
That's bollocks. Total bollocks. Why? Because Slann can literally make Dracothion dance in their crunch. When Dracothion tells a Slann to do something the Slann tells him to fuck off and let him decide when to do it. Dracothion is not Sotek. Otherwise Sotek gives more of a shit about humans than Seraphon.

>>54426968
No, Seraphon are mary sues. Name a battle where they jobbed hard. You can't.

When are Games Workshop going to let this meme game die?

>>54426994
The Slaan doesn't tell him to fuck off. When Dragonbro sends his warning, the Slaan mentally notes that he already knows this (and then gets killed by Khul).

The Seraphon honour Dragonbro by waving around his totem and drawing upon his star alignment. Also in one of the novels, the Seras are referred to as the servants of the Cosmic Serpent. Which I believe is one of the names if Dragonbro.

>>54427006
Call of Chaos: Godless.
Skaven: Pestiliens. Sigmarines won it basically.

>>54427070
He doesn't. He says that he'll attack when he decides it and doesn't need Dracothion telling him when to do it. As for the other bit, crunch literally says that the Slann control the alignments and can make Dracothion writhe in the cosmos.

It's total bollocks. People liked the Old Ones. and suddenly making it this fucking star dragon is just going to piss them off. Seraphon are the only faction without a mythical God that's actually walking about. Dracothion would be fucking shit if he was suddenly Sotek. Especially when people thought he was a giant snake deity, not a dragon.

But finally, if he IS Sotek, then he doesn't give a shit about Seraphon. He saved Sigmar and friends, he allowed quick production of Sigmarines, he sped up the production of the Extremis Chambers, he gave them his sons and daughters (Stardrakes and Dracoths) and so on. What has he given Seraphon? Furthermore, why didn't he go "Oh yeah, I'm Sotek guys!" to Seraphon? Especially when he could read their minds and talk telepathically.

Just my opinion, but there we go.

>>54427167
Who is Kroak?

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>>54427167
>Seraphon are the only faction without a mythical God that's actually walking about
Beastclaw are just mercenaries and pillagers, they dont care about gods
Flesheaters dont give a shit about Nagash
Fyreslayer god is dead

>What has he given Seraphon?
He guided them to the mortal realms during the age of myth

We have only seen the very beginning of the Seraphon story in AOS, nothing more than a simple prologue. They have a close relationship with Dracothion, and we have seen what it can do for the Stormcast, so let's wait and see how it develops for the Seraphon.

>>54426168
Thing is, the Mortal realms are so absurdly huge, it's not impossible that the remnants of natural Lizardmen still exist.

Some lore autist is probably going to angrily jizz all over me for saying that, though.

>>54427355
Not a God. Nowhere near the level of Nagash. He might not be killable, but he's not a God. Sylvaneth and Undead are the other factions with their God's actually with rules. The rest have God's somewhere. Kroak is more equiv to Gordrakk or Archaon. Powerful; but not a God.

>>54427438
Beastclaw specifically worship Gorkamorka. It literally says so in their fluff. While I agree Seraphon have had next to no fluff (which sucks fucking ass), I hope they don't go down that route. I liked the idea of Old Ones coming back. Dracothion being Sotek I can just about accept if he isn't an Old One, but a near-god level creature that heard all the worshipping that Lizardmen did and sent some help. If it was Sotek, surely the Skaven would be trying to kill him? We know God Beasts can die, so why aren't they making a super ultra plague to kill him?

>>54427439
For all intents and purposes they are the same thing. They 'live' once summoned and so on. Like the Slann created thousands of Stegadons and then just left them to live as normal. So it's possible, I guess. I mean it could just be Lizardmen, as in a race of Lizardmen. Josh Reynolds said that Kroak sent huge chunks of Lustria into space, so it's possible they were still on there and survived and then merged with the Mortal Realms.

>lore autist

What's wrong with sticking to lore?

>>54427438
Corrections....

>Beastclaw are just mercenaries and pillagers, they dont care about gods

These guys are loyal to Gorkamorka.

>Flesheaters dont give a shit about Nagash

Some not all. The are divided between revering Nagash and fearing/hating him.

>>54427453
>Nowhere near the level of Nagash.

Says who? Nagash was defeated numerous times by Archaon who him isn't a god.

>>54427616
If we go purely on crunch, Kroak can do 4 spells per turn and Nagash can do 9. In terms of fluff? Nagash was able to solo an entire Stormhost Chamber. Him getting defeated by Archaon is not strange because Archaon is the main villain and is buffed by 4 Gods. Kroak literally only appears once in any fluff piece where he kills some Nurgle forces, despite the Seraphon he summoned getting ripped to shreds before he appears and nukes the site from orbit.

I dunno lad. I seriously doubt if Kroak fought Nagash that Kroak would win. Nagash is Lord of Death. Kroak is just some Slann. If he was alive? Sure. I guess. Maybe. Just my opinion lad.

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>>54427546
>Beastclaw specifically worship Gorkamorka.
Some do, but not all of them.

Some tribes are mercenaries that worship chaos gods, or at least fight for them and slowly turn to chaos worship. There are known beastclaw tribes that fight under archaons banner.

Beastclaw are primarily concerned with looting and pillaging so they don't get caught by the everwinter. They are far less concerned with gods than their next meal.

>Dracothion being Sotek I can just about accept if he isn't an Old One, but a near-god level creature that heard all the worshipping that Lizardmen did and sent some help. If it was Sotek, surely the Skaven would be trying to kill him? We know God Beasts can die, so why aren't they making a super ultra plague to kill him?
Dracothion isnt a God Beast. He is something beyond mortal understanding. His body is formed of constellations. He rivals the gods themselves in terms of power.

>>54427546
>What's wrong with sticking to lore?

Nothing at all, lore is the primary reason I play these games. I just disapprove of the attitude that lore wizard anon was giving spawning pool anon.

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>>54427453
>>54427616
so what are we calling "gods" in this context? the dudes who got bound to winds of magic are gods? And the big 4 in the warp, and the horned rat, and gork/mork, and who else? is sigmar's pet Falcore a god too now?

>>54427710
kroak was the first slann, he was ancient before the khemrians even existed

in terms of fluff its hard to say where kroak lies in terms of power because seraphon get very little exposure

>>54427727
Another correction.....

>Some tribes are mercenaries that worship chaos gods, or at least fight for them and slowly turn to chaos worship. There are known beastclaw tribes that fight under archaons banner.

The Vintrbad (Winterbad, really) do not worship Chaos and are not loyal to Archaon. The timeline section says they wear Chaos symbols and looted Chaos armour to disguise their true allegiance to Gorkamorka.

>>54427727
He isn't? Pretty sure it was stated he was the greatest of the God Beasts. I honestly can't remember and the usual places online are basically devoid of information sadly. I wouldn't say that he is a rival for Gods because he got his ass kicked by the Chaos God Beast Drake thing.

>>54427766
Ah. That's fine.

>>54427790
Gods are shit like Gorkamorka, Malerion, Sigmar, Nagash. Plus the Chaos Gods. I wouldn't say Kroak is a God.

>>54427807
Yeah. Which sucks fucking ass. But if we go on WHFB; Kroak was reduced in power upon his death. Now? It's a bit confusing since he can't 'die' he's just knocked out of alignment with his body.

>>54427727
>He rivals the gods themselves in terms of power.

IIRC, Archaon survived Dracothion's Azyr breath relatively unscathed.

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On the subject of lore, tell me about Your Dudes.

>>54427915
Cool illustration, but fucked up pose and anatomy. Still like seeing it though.

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>>54427710
>Nagash
weak sauce who couldn't solo Archaeon and needed the elves to get the job done
>Archaon
decent but not invulnerable
>Kroak
created planet wide force fields with his brain to deflect incoming meteorites while trying to push the moon backwards and commanding his entire race in their most epic battle.

Kroak is orders of magnitude more awesome than these others but you never see him flexing in the lore because its too broken.

>>54427915
my savage orruks once defeated an empire gunline army in what later became known in my gaming group as "Da Battle of Blud Riva"

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>>54427915
>not posting the good ones

>>54427960
When did Nagash need elves? I can't remember that shit. Kroak is super powerful sure, but it's never mentioned in crunch OR fluff. GW literally said they couldn't do Lizardmen stories because they wrote themselves into a corner by saying they couldn't talk or some shit and how nobody wanted them as protags. Now it's confirmed they CAN talk and aren't retarded... But they're still not the protags.

>>54427960
Black Pyramid + Nagash is basically unbeatable.

>>54428018
>When did Nagash need elves?

ET.

Skaven and Nurgle forces blew up his Black Pyramid and baited him to expending most of his power in rage which regressed him from his godhood and turned him into a mere Incarnate.

He went to the Elves to ask for an alliance.

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>>54428064
Ah right yeah. Sorry, I thought this was an event in AoS. I have all the CE's versions of the End Times stuff. Probably damaged now. So many books.

Posting other females.

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>>54428025
>Black Pyramid
yeah too bad the rats blew it to hell, or did it "magically" reappear in the new setting?

>When did Nagash need elves?
when the winds of magic wielding super team joined forces to stop Archaeon from breaking the left over Old Ones Web-way portal device

>>54428122
>did it "magically" reappear in the new setting?

He built a new one in AoS. Skaven blew that one too.

He is now building the Black Pyramid to end all Black Pyramids. He making it rat-proof this time.

>>54428174
>He built a new one in AoS. Skaven blew that one too.He is now building the Black Pyramid to end all Black Pyramids. He making it rat-proof this time.

holy shit the jokes write themselves with that one.

>>54427033
I think you meant to post that here >>54427370

>>54428174
>He making it rat-proof this time.
the madman

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>>54427915
I'm still working on mine, but the details I have are,

>Stormhost formed from the survivors of a Strike Chamber that was overwhelmed by an unexpected temporary alliance between Chaos and Destruction forces.
>Survivors were unable to return to Azyrheim for a considerable amount of time and made coalitions with the locals to establish a fighting force for Order (and some numbers to protect themselves with) in the region until they could re-establish contact.
>Managed to avenge their fallen brothers and sisters, whom they were unable to reclaim the souls of, by waging war on the now-split Chaos/Destruction alliance.
>Recognized for their stalwart heroism, they were granted the rights to form their own Stormhost with the local soldiers as their first wave of recruits.
>Due to their experience with guerilla-esque survival, a large portion of their Stormhost consists of Vanguard Auxiliary.

I'd like to link them to Lileath somehow. I know she ded, but maybe her spirit lives on in some way, or their now-Lord Commander obtained a sword created/blessed by her, aware of it or not.

May also toss in an alliance with Dracoths being partly what saves them, since I really like the lore behind Dracothion and his children.

Does anyone know where to download Grand Alliance Death?

>>54428594
>>54428096
>>54428018
>>54427915
Why are stormcuck players the most cringe?

>>54429091
Why are you so Eternally bootyblasted over Stormcast Eternals?

>>54390994

but then as soon as the pinkies die, that whole plan goes down the drain. It's not like brinstones bring back pinks or anything, but I suppose you could always use a destiny die to give your pinkies battleshock a 1 so you can bring back models

>>54429260
if by some miracle your horrors survive that plan for one full rotation i.e., brims charge/retreat, blues charge/retreat, then pinks charge/retreat then you have already won because that's three turns of tarpitting with your horrors all still alive

>>54427438
The beastclaw book has a frostlord yelling "Prey for Gork!" as he charges into battle. Also, they're not mercenaries (usually) they're nomads

>>54427438
Dracothion also showed the Slann how to create Seraphon from Azyr magic.

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>>54428025
>Black Pyramid + Nagash is basically unbeatable.
>needing a black pyramid to compete with frog-wizards

lol

>>54426168
They aren't magic ghost holograms, they are corporeal beings who bleed golden sun blood that purifies chaos taint and kills vampires.

Further they are independent creatures. One story involves a skink waking up his slann for the battle.

>>54427453
Sunbloods are pretty explicitly surviving lizardmen from the old world.

>>54430970
Sunbloods are stated to be Seraphon exposed to Azyr for so long they've absorbed it and are 'evolving'. That entire thing is stupid anyway because they're just resummoned if they die anyway. They're not surviving Lizardmen.

What's the Skink waking a guy up story? The one with Pestiliens?

>>54430604
I wish this lad had done all the art for Seraphon. Some of the art is so fucking dogshit in that book.

>>54431291
I would have to look it up anon, it's somewhere in the seraphon book.

I kinda want to do that regardless so I can put together the most accurate idea of what the fuck is going on. Will be back with results late tonight/tomorrow.

>>54431367
The art for seraphon in total war 2 is incredible.

I think I will headcanon that the memories/souls of every lizardman exist inside the slann, and the slann magic up new bodies for them as needed.

>>54431432
Seraphon rulebook was fucking awful. Like 4 were OK out of 20 odd. They're OK in Total War, their necks seem extra long. But it looks like Mazdamundi isn't getting Zlaqq as a mount.

>>54431560
There he is!

When does female stormcast come out?

>>54432120

aren't there female stormcast in the vanguard-hunters?

>>54431560

W E W
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>>54432707
Nope.

So does anyone else find that their battletome gets wear n' tear quickly?

I've used the book probably fewer than a dozen times, and the pages already look like they're starting to split from the spine. Are they held in with string or something to prevent pages from falling out?

when adding 1 to the damage characteristic of a weapon that does d3 damage, do you roll a d4, or do you do d3 +1

>>54434038
I believe it would be 1+d3

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so wtf ever happened with this? Spoilered last year and haven't heard anything about it since.

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>>54434118
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-CA/Mazarall-The-Butcher-Daemon-Prince

>>54434118
>>54434471
Looks like shit

>>54434581
>>54434581
I agree. Did we really need another bloodthirster but with a dog face this time?

Why are the rules for the wanderer prince not in the Wood Elves download?

I was looking for ages to find him for skirmish before I realised he was a separate download.

>>54436094
Because it used to be Araloth. Nomad Prince rules didn't exist until a bit after the initial release.

>>54427915
Here are my dudes, enjoy
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DleJ7guokNXxnsKZX7hu-vjRa0Hw4edANjkYRwm0PDY

Feel free to tell me what you think of it, and leave some constructive criticism for me so I can improve myself

>>54427915
Bunch of mercenary freeguild under the command of a merchant-lord of their home city. Sort of a pirate theme to them.

>>54438980
Are you using the old Empire free company models for your army?

>>54439308
A mix of old and new parts, but yes, I have a fair few of them. Just trying to model them like docksmen, sailors, captains etc like the illustrations from 'blood on the reik'. Needs more harpoons, nets and fish.

So I'm thinking of just sucking up that WHF is dead and trying out AoS. Are the legacy factions (dark elves, warriors of chaos etc) disadvantaged against the new AoS factions like Stormcast? Or is everything sort of balanced against each other?

>>54439495
Some factions are a little unbalanced, but it is alway important to talk to your opponent before the game, and maybe ask them if they can not take many OP units/formations, or if you get to re-roll a dice or something for a group of guys, etc. what I am trying to say is; Communication is important

>>54439707
Don't units have points now? Shouldn't the points system negate me having to negotiate with my opponent this sort of stuff?

>>54439732
Show me a game with points systems that is balanced, and I will show you an idiot.

All games have points, and all have a semblance of balance, but none are evenly balanced. For tournaments, the discussion with your opponent is irrelevant because likely the guy accross the table is going to try bringing the most unbalanced thing possible because he's trying to win. When playing casual games though, most of the time setting a precedence that it's a casual game is enough. You will both be bringing what seems fun and have a good time on the table.

Basically AoS is no different from ANY game with points, in that there are armies that perform poorly in optimized tournament scenes.

So yes, some of the old factions arent too hot, but some are also really good. But that will likely change with the GHB2 coming out and an update to points on everything based on TO feedback of prevalent metas.

The point I am trying to make: just play the game how you like, your armies' competitiveness is going to have its highs and lows throughout the life of the game.

>>54439495
right now the newer stuff is a safer bet competitively than the older stuff, but thats just because they are newer, and the trend generally is newer stuff gets better rules and points than old stuff

but we are getting a big points update for everything at once with the ghb2017, and we will see if gw will either listen to people and knock down the points effectiveness of newer stuff while boosting the older stuff in an attempt to make a semibalanced meta, or if gw will continue the rapetrain in hoping poeple will forget that old stuff ever was a thing and keep new stuff on the top of the meta

i.e. with option one, they will be listening to tournament organizers and player feedback
or with option two they will be listening to their markerting department

we shall see though

>>54439732
Old factions have been splintered into tiny ones, and as such, may not always synergize as well as new factions that were designed from ground up to work within the system together. It's just a fact of life. Do remember that the game is objective based, so you can just focus on that and negate the lack of killing power to a degree.

So who is picking up Path of Glory this weekend?

>>54440534
They do synergize well within each faction though. Very easy to run a powerful freeguild gunline with most of the buffs coming from within the faction (barring a hurricanum).

>>54427915
A small raiding party from a Barak-Mhornar based skyfleet.

While the fleet covers most bases of income - indulging in aether-mining, trading, transportation/smuggling, the raiding party is responsible for "obtaining" supplies needed to keep the fleet away from port.

They target small towns and travelling traders to fill their ships pantry, and liberate anything of value so they can finally be traded at a fair price.

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>>54395396
You can get large expanded polystyrene 'cheeses' in cake decorating shops for a few quid. its easy to turn one of them into a circular fort or tower.

I want to try and put together a Slaves to Darkness + Slaanesh list, I'm not really sure where to start besides the StD Start Collecting box and maybe the Slaanesh one. thoughts?

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>>54442955
You could buy the StD Start Collecting box, paint them with slaneeshy colours, and then buy a Slaanesh Chaos Lord (The old Sigvald model) and then maybe buy some daemonettes

That should work, I guess

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I'm thinking about making a Deathrattle army
I already have 25 old ass skeletons and just bought a Wigh King with Black Axe

I'll probably get the Start Colecting Deathrattle box, the goal is to make the Legion of Death (pic related)

My question is, what Mortarch should I make?

Arkhan looks like a really powerfull mage for a summoning based army, but mediocre in melee
(With him would be a pure skeletons army, but that's just a minor gimmick I don't really care for)

Neferatta has some cool spels, but she is heavily foccuseed on melee (and the hability to make vampires can be fun)

Mannfred looks like a nice in-between, dangerous in melee and has nice spells

>>54443597
Can I run him as Sigvald or did his rules get too Meme-y?

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apparently GW felt like giving us a tutorial on summoning

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/21/tactical-toolbox-summoning-july-20gw-homepage-post-4/

>>54441304
so your dwarfs are thieves... not very dwarf like if you ask me.

>>54443714
I don't even think Sigvald himself has rules anymore desu

You could make it as a homebread thing though

>want to buy into FEC
>generals playbook 2 is suppossed to be released this year

Are they UP or OP? Dont want to build an army that I can throw away because the rise the point values a fuckton on horrors or whatever.

>>54443681
Settra the Imperishable can form a strong backbone to a deathrattle army, since he not only uses his command ability to buff all skeleton and deathrattle units around him, but also allows any other mummy hero around him to use theirs as well

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>>54443926
I mean it's compendium but he does have rules . . .

>>54427970
>Orruks
>Empire

What kind of time-travelling nonsense is this?

My guess is that AOS won't get anything until 40k gets all 5 of their promised codexes, which from the rumormongering, sounds like December

>>54444838
Remember, 40k is supposed to get 10 codeces before the end of the year.

>>54444870
I should've worded that better. Codex RELEASES. They're doing 2 at a time

>>54444881
The space Marine one is coming out solo so far

>>54444978
It's just because they needed the SM to have as much of an advantage as possible for this campaign

>>54443732
Good article. Summoning is misunderstood, hence the bitching and whining you see in the Facebook comments linked to this article.

It's a flexible tool, not a force multiplier.

What’s the best way to put together the Start Collecting Tzeentch box?

If two skink priests successfully do their reroll prayer and a unit of skinks is wI think 8" of both priests, can the unit of skinks reroll failed saves twice?

Asking for a friend.

>>54445761
Within* 8"

Is Vandus Hammerhand overcosted?

I've found his +1 attacks to all melee weps within 6" to be amazing in my small 880 pts games.

>>54446011
my dark elves would love to have a tough beat-stick with his stats rocking such a great utility command ability at that price point. Sadly all the good toys are for the new armies.

>>54445389
With glue.

>>54446152
Nice m3m3

>>54444333
>>54444089
Actually same anon

And I always forget the compendium rules, my bad

Thanks and apologies I guess

So is Karl Franz like a stormcast eternal or is he permadead and I'm gonna have to cry myself to sleep tonight?

>>54446117
But 280 is a lot compared to a normal Celestant and Im sick of him just dying in 1 turn vs like a Frost Phoenix just going sick on him.

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Have these been posted already?

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I mean, no that it matters either way, I guess.

>>54447478
>dying in 1 turn vs like a Frost Phoenix just going sick on him
well, as with all heroes that have a powerful buff, you need to bubble wrap him properly. Obviously Vandus is not going to come out on top of every match up so its on you to be strategic. If properly utilized, his command ability can turn a game in your direction, and that is part of what is driving his points cost.

>>54447468
He's dead. Like, super-dead. Sigmar used to drive his reanimated corpse for a while, but ditched that when the world was remade.

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>>54448147
he and Caradryan, incarnate of fire, did not make it out the other side.

>>54446011
He's a sidegrade, mostly. His Command Ability is obviously aces and so is his bravery aura, but you pay for that with the lack of a shield, no access to relics, traits and mount skills. Plus the actually increased cost, I mean. Somewhat increased melee damage offsets that a little, but the loss of Staunch Defender and such hurts.
Plus, you're obviously locked into a sub-par stormhost with him.

>>54446749
To be fair, a lot of people forget about them, since they get exactly zero love. Settra is a good thing to look into for a death army centered around skelemans, him paired with kaldia and a tomb king or 2 can make for some meme'y bullshit

>>54447752
>>54447776
Where's the third one?

>>54448663
Yeah, just read them

Unfortunately I could find any od them in the online store, not even as generic characters

I'll have to Ebay them or something

>>54448105
How do you bubblewrap vs a 2" weapon though, have Liberators around him at all times with a 2.5" gap?

>>54448215
How come he has no relics/traits/mount skills exactly? Not sure on AoS rules entirely.

Also why are you locked into a stormhost?

>>54448900
>Yeah, just read themUnfortunately I could find any od them in the online store, not even as generic charactersI'll have to Ebay them or something

Tomb Kings is completely discontinued line. You will have to buy them used, if you can find them at all.

>>54449225
If I do find them, I'll think about it

But probably is just a better idea to pick the Star Collecting box for Dethrattle

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>>54449207
>How do you bubblewrap vs a 2" weapon though, have Liberators around him at all times with a 2.5" gap?

look, if you want to just retardedly run your units head long into your enemy you should have picked beastclaw raiders. Youre going to need to figure out how to use screening units and board control tactics if you want to be any good with SC

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>>54449207
Basically, named characters cannot take custom gear and abilities.
And you'd give away his Lord of the Hammerhands abilitiy if you don't run Hammers of Sigmar. It'd be a waste to not use that, considering that the regular Lord-Celestant on Dracoth only get's that as his Command Ability instead of a always-on aura.

>>54449305
A skeleton chariot, 2 extra horses, and a tomb king model are all you need for settra, I got him for pretty cheap myself, around 15 dollerydoos. As for a Normie tomb king, if you're decent enough with greenstuff then hes not hard at all to convert from a normal skeleman

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>>54449388
Honestly the idea of converting him didn't even cross my mind

I'm not used to it, but yeah as you said he is quite easy to make

Thanks for the idea!

>>54449384
>4 attacks 3+ 2+, -1r, 3D + the mount.
Damn he hits hard

>>54449504
>Lord-Celestant on Dracoth
>Relic Blade
>Staunch Defender
>Keen-Clawed
Similar damage output, 60pts cheaper and provides a massive buff to all nearby SCE.

>>54449343
Sorry I should have clarified.

How do I screen a 2" weapon, when it's 800 point games and his model can move 16" and fly over my units.

Ah right I didn't see that little cause in Lord of the Hammerhands

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>>54449704
how are you getting "similar" from this?

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>>54449704
I don't get very similar damage numbers out of this analysis

>>54444870
Doesn't mean there's going to be a wholly 40k focus. AoS got a few supplements over the past few months despite 40k getting the spotlight, and most of those codex releases likely won't be accompanied by any new models.

>>54450129
>AoS got a few supplements
and every single one of them was a joke waste of time/money

>>54449855
>>54449975
Heldensen and a Tempestos Hammer with Relic Blade has exactly the same average values.
Calanax has one more attack, but with Keen-Clawed the Intolerable Damage of the generic Dracoth is resolved at Rend-3.
Calanax does an average of 1.926 damage per turn against 4+ saves.
Generic does an average of 1.8333 damage per turn against 4+ saves.