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Blue everywhere edition.

>FAQ
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/02/warhammer-40000-faq-now-available-july2gw-homepage-post-1/

>FW FAQ (Part 1 and Part 2)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/09/forge-world-faq-july9gw-homepage-post-4/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Designer's Commentary (FAQ 0.1)
https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Warhammer_40000_Designers_Commentary-ENG.pdf

>Latest news :
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>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:

>Everything 8th edition in pdf(and epub), SW:A, WIP and BB are here too, no novels.
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>WIP Math-hammer doc (Doing the Emperor's work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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What color should I do the staff of the weapon? Should I go with the same blue ive used on other parts or go with a green similar to what will be in the rib grooves?
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Second for someone posting a link to the agressor and Reiver boxes
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>>54343882
green
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>>54343882
Legitimately thin your paints. And green.
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How are forgefiends in this edition? I need some high strength weapons to help take down T7 and 8 vehicles, but that 4+ BS with heavy is kind of awful... Would it be better to just slap a lascannon on a helbrute?
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>>54345269
Send in a Maulerfiend instead. Forgefiends are okay at best because of that 4+.
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So, how much hate will I generate from you guys if I use Cypher to bridge the Imperium/Chaos border?

I want to take Magnus/Sekhmet Termis for my preheresy TS.
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This month WE DINE IN KONOR!!!!!!!
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>>54345269
>twin-lascannons damage=d6
>ectoplasma damage=d3
>hades autocannon damage=2
Helbrute is more effective tankbuster.
They all have the Heretic Astartes keyword so you can cast Prescience on them both for a 2+ to hit from the Helbrute and a 3+ from the Forgefiend.
>>54345295
Cypher is the only thing that can run in both, putting Cypher in your list doesn't mean you can run Imperium and Chaos in the same list they still need to share at least one faction keyword.
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>>54345344

Dark Eldar and the rest of the NPCs are sitting that out of course
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>>54345362
Nah, they fuck over both like the perfidious Xenos that they are.
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>>54345295
It'd probably be easier to just invent your own Thousand Sons warband and say they kept an armor scheme similar to their 30k variant though. Magnus did bring all the exiled and scattered warbands back into the fold in Wrath of Magnus after all.
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>>54345344
Is every faction going to be able to take part in this?
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>>54345357
Fuck

Well, good to know.
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>>54345362
Xenos can play in Fate of Konor, they just need to decide which side they're fighting for each game.
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>>54345344
GOD DAMN IT, JUST GIVE ME PLASTIC INCUBI, THAT'S ALL I'M FUCKING ASKING FOR
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>>54345375
They can, they just have to choose either to help chaos or the imperium.
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>>54345375
Yes. It's Imperium vs Chaos, but Xenos players can choose to help whichever they wish.
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So, can I use Issodon to infiltrate a Land Speeder Storm full of Scoots?
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So which side are Xeno players fighting for? I'm Orks, and I'm going to do my best to bring down Imperial Numbers.
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Are the Aggressors and Reivers boxes the only leaks today for the SM release?

Hoping to see the rumored Primaris flyer or at least some rules.
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Rememba, Safe-t first in dis waagh. Always wear yer helmet to keep da umie boolits and bits o' metal from given yer noggin a zoggin. Rememba, you aint no good'un if yous a dead'un, a livin boy'z a fightin boy
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>>54345379
XENOS UNITE!! The imperium has grown complacent with the return of their once downed primarch! Let them know that the corpse god nor his son can save them!
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WHEN IS MORTARION!?!?
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>For every ten models in the unit, one rubric Marines may replace his inferno boltgun with a soul reaper cannon.
Does this mean I need to have 10 models in the unit to take a soulreaper? Or just say at 11 guys I can have two soulreapers?

I just want lots of BRRRRRRT
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>>54345430
NEXT MONTH PROBABLY
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>>54345424
yeah, but wheres the best fightin at?
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>>54345344
Do we know what the army composition is supposed to be? I saw the Warhammer World event page says 1750pts, but that's a special subevent.
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>>54345424
As a Tzeentch daemon player I'm throwing every game in that campaign.

Fuck Nurgle.
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>>54345432
The 1st.
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>>54345432
how is 11 guys 2 sets of 10 models?
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>>54345449
Likewise brother! Hail the architect of fate!
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>>54345424
>Not wanting to fuck over Chaos just to hear Carnac's autistic screeching
Shit taste anon.
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>>54345443
Everything on the way to and on Konor proper green friend.
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>>54345441
THEY CAN'T START THE KONNOR CAMPAIGN WITHOUT BIG MORT! THIS IS BULLSHIT!
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>>54345449

SCHEMES
C
H
E
M
E
S

>>54345424

Carnac please, don't pretend to be Xenos or friends with xenos
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Konor leaks

https://spikeybits.com/2017/07/fate-of-konor-campaign-box-revealed.html

CONSCRIPT SPAM BTFO
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>>54345449
This, my daemons and 1k sons aren't helping nurgle one bit.

Though in all honesty, I'll probably just field my Blood Ravens instead, since it's not sporting to sabotage your own side. Fluffy sure, but not anymore fun than spamming fake batreps. Actually, how will GW get the results?
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>>54345424
As a Slaanesh player, I for one welcome our Xenos allies against the Imperium.
I may hate Nurgle but unlike these two chuckleheads >>54345449 >>54345457 I'm not an idiot. Also smurfs are more likely to scream loudly than Death Guard.
>>54345430
Probably after the campaign.
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>>54345449
>Tzeentch Daemon army in 8th
>"Intentionally" losing games
I'd be laughing if I wasn't already crying.
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>>54345456
Its not but it doesnt say I need 10 it just say 'for every ten units in the unit'. Ergo with 11 models in the unit I can have 2.

>>54345454
Are you sure?
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>>54345441
This is a conspiracy! Gw wants to hold off morty until the campaign starts to keep the chaos man down! RIOT.

>>54345449
You stick to your magic guns. I can respect that.
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>>54345424
>>54345404
>helping chaos
I shiggy diggy. It's like you want the end times all over again. Do you really want chaos shitposters and Carnac spamming threads for months about how they won?
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>>54345497
>"Intentionally" losing games
Sadly all that it takes to do that in not take the changeling, but yeah tfw.
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>>54345477
>campaign
LITERALLY
WHO

CARES
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>>54345503
Who is Carnac?
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>>54345503
As a Black Legion player, even I want Carnac to shut the hell up, so I'll be bringing my small force of Tyranids to fight for Imperium instead.
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Ultramarines are all wtf I respect Tau
Blood Angels play coop with Necrons
Eldar are primarch waifus
Tyranids are a faceless faction so you ignore them

Why should xenos not ally with the IoM, what has chaos done for them?
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>>54345524
I do. Sounds fun as fuck and there's a chance GW won't just retcon the result because they don't like it like they did with the 13th Black Crusade because Konnor doesn't really fucking matter.
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>>54345525
Annoying autist who loves to shit up threads with his ADB-tier "Chaos is unbeatable and has already won forever XD" brand of wankery. The Imperium needs to crush the Death Guard just so it can rubbed in his face every time he pops up.
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>>54345524
You seen upset Anon. How are things?
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>>54345503

C'mon, anon. You should know by now that even if it's a crushing defeat for Chaos there'll still be endless threads about how it actually wasn't.
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>>54345525

A scapegoat to retort to anything or anyone you don't want to argue with

>>54345557

I am remind of that thread about... Octarius?
Chaos was driven from the planet and that was a "draw"
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>>54345525
Oh sweet innocent Newfriend.
>>54345527
Yeah, chaos getting completely BTFO like in Storm of Chaos would take him down a peg. If only we could some how make it so it ends with abby getting the snot kicked out of him by ghazzy. An impossibility (at least for this campaign) but anything to make him shut up. Xenos BTFOing chaos would be especially hurtful to him I think
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>>54345531
Dark Eldar have a weird deal with Slaanesh, they cause suffering to extend their lifespans in an attempt to stay out of Slaanesh, plus they fuck up Imperium all the time.
Necron hate everything.
Tau are stupid and easily manipulated.
Orks want to fight everything.
Nids want to eat everything.
There's plenty of fluff reason for both sides.
Except Craftworld Eldar but fuck those nerds.
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If I'm running two 30-bug units of Hormagaunts; how do I want to kit out my eight-or-so Warriors in relation to them? Should I keep them cheap and go for "me too" melee? Or count on the gribblies getting into combat first and have a shooting option ready?
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>>54345557
To be fair, 90% of every plot written about Chaos is how they win by losing.

>Oh, you may have killed the Chaos Lord and retaken the planet but turns out I did this weird Khorne ritual so you actually helped Chaos by killing us! HA!
>Aww man, well I guess the Imperium loses then.
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>>54345583
I haven't decided if I like these or hate them.
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>>54345583
Those look slightly less retarded than the Centurions, but that isn't much of a complement. Them abs though.
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>>54345577

Great motivations there, truly inspired now
>This one is stoopid, the other one wants to help the thing it hates the most, and anything Eldar helping Chaos
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>>54345477
>elites
Oh shit, quick rules question, I can run Noise Marines as Elite even though everything in my army is Emperor's Children by just saying I'm not running them as an Emperor's Children Data Sheet right?
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>>54345583
I think they would look great with lightning claws.
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>>54345611
Honestly Tau don't really have much reason to be at Konor for either side.
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>>54345612
noise marines with emperors children as their legion are troops, and elites with any other legion. it will only matter for buffs that depend on being in the same legion to work

you can have different legions in the same detachment, so yes you could do that
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>>54345432
Apparently, some guy on YT BR claimed that GWs support on FB said that second is true. While that would be truly awesome

>YT
>facebook

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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>>54345646
Oh wait so I'm not the only one. Hmmm.
Its just that the way the rules are written is different then most other entries for wargear options.
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>>54345577
>Dark Eldar have a weird deal with Slaanesh
No, they're terrified of Slaanesh and appeasing it with torture.
Chaos spreading any further isn't good for them; if nothing else its less good raiding targets for them.
So my Dark Eldar are throwing in with the Imperium for this one.
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>>54345635
I don't have any other Legions.
I guess I could bring my Terminators, Chosen and both my Helbrutes that week.
I wonder if I'll be allowed to use the Sonic Dreadnought rules from the FW FAQ for the campaign.
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>>54345525
Carnac is Alpharius.
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On the topic of konor, who do you all think is going to win?
Not who you want to, but what you expect the result to be.
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2k 5CP
Supreme Command Detachment
Yvraine
Warlock Skyrunner, singing spear
Warlock

Vanguard Detachment: Ynnari
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Autarch Skyrunner, x2 avenger shuriken catapults
Yncarne
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x5 Wyches, agonizer, hydra gauntlet
Venom
x5 Wyches, agonizer, hydra gauntlet
Venom
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x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
_
x10 Scourges
x10 Scourges

What should I change about this list?
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>>54345735
the size of your tiny dick
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>>54345686
It's sad you won't be helping chaos, but the idea of Dark Eldar flying to the defence of Konor because "we can't steal their shit if they get killed!" is hilarious to me.
>>54345726
I have no idea.
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>>54345500
>Ergo with 11 models in the unit I can have 2.
I hope English isn't your first language, because that's absolutely not how you read that in any way.
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>>54345726

IoM+Xenos>>Chaos

>>54345631

Neither do a lot of factions, but that is besides the point.
At the very least, they aren't that far from Ultramar
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>>54345583
>Make Primaris Centurions
>Not make them as adorably stupid as the Centurions

You don't have to take ALL the silly out you know...
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>>54345757
>I hope English isn't your first language
I'm Australian so no.

>For every ten models in the unit, one rubric Marines may replace his inferno boltgun with a soul reaper cannon.
Min squad is 5. From 5-10 one soulreaper. 11-20 2 reapers.
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>>54345583

They probably have the same missile launchers as the Redemptor now that I think about it
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>>54345726
Imperium 100%
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>>54345456
Because people who play this game are fucking stupid, that's how.
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>>54345792

Do you not understand what 10 is or something? Hint 5=/=10
No wonder the FAQs are full of dumb questions
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>>54345726
All Xenos will help out the Imperium because they see Chaos as a false rival faction.
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>>54345631
What? Ultramar is next door to the T'au Empire. If anything, the Tau would be there to safeguard their borders. Having Chaos make a stronghold for it so close to the T'au Empire would be a detriment to it, conversely allowing the Imperium to consolidate their power by defeating the traitors would mean more Imperial forces standing between the Tau and fresh conquests.
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>>54345823
It doesnt say you have to have ten models for the rubrics. It just specifies that a unit of ten may take 1 reaper.

Heres the scarab occult Termis entry for example.
>One Scarab Occult Terminator may take a hellfyre rack. If the unit contains ten models, a second Scarab Occult Terminator may also do this.
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>>54345829
>All Xenos will help out the Imperium
At my LGS it's the opposite. We don't like Smurfs and none of us want to see them win at something again. We got sick of that a while ago.
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>>54345792
>ten models
Is five equal to ten in kangaroo land? Is eleven composed of ten and ten, or ten and one?
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Is this referring to the end of Imperium Secundus, or the beginning of the Siege of Terra?
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>>54345612
Just change the legion name to emporers kiddies.
Now you get to use elite noise marines in your coherent faction.
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>>54345863
Imperium Secundus ended in the previous novel of that storyline. This novel is about the Primarchs trying to reach Terra. Navigating the Ruinstorm.

The Lion will be forced to go to his homeworld.
Girlyman will be stalled by something.
Angel boy will be the only one who will make it by the end of the book.

There I spoiled it for you.
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>>54345853
How are five rubrics a unit of ten?
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>>54345896
No shit Sherlock. I'm more concerned about the potential ramifications of the Siege of Terra being novelized.
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>>54345905
Why do you keep repeating the same thing without answer to my posts?
It doesnt say they have to be a unit of ten. It just says that for every ten models one may take a reaper.
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>>54345921
Sangy will arrive as the siege is underway. Other than a few paragraphs, you won't get much more.
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>>54345743
I'm sorry you feel as if you need to lash out for your insecurities
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>>54343882
Thin your fucking paints. I almost died of cancer just clicking that image.
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>>54345862
Scarab Occult Terminator entry
>If the unit contains ten models

Rubric entry
>For every ten models in the unit
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Are 10 horrors really worth 220 points? I love the concept of the splitting, but it's more than twice the cost of any other daemon infantry. And where in the instructions do I find what smite does?
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>>54345835

Tau popping up something like this when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMBEuAJgZUE

Where Hogan is the conflict of Konor
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>>54345931
GW has said you don't need 10 already, its amazing people get so arrogant over something they know shit about
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>>54345792
No mate.
Squad comes as 5 dudes.
If you go out of your way to pay for a 10 man squad, your reward is you can get the heavy weapon.
If you go out your way to have a 20 man squad, you get a second heavy weapon.

That's how it always worked.

Space wolves grey hunters use the same wording.
We get a special weapon for 5 models and if we take a squad of 10 we get a second special weapon.
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>>54345968
Ok thanks. Could I see where they say that tho because it seems people disagree with me.
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>>54345735
you forgot the shining spears
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>>54345962
I dunno maybe on the ONE page about the psychic phase.
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>>54345500
Yes I'm sure.
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>>54345986
if only they weren't stupid expensive
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>>54345968
Source on that?
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>>54345955
Yes, different wording can and does exist. The fact that you need ten models, to have the requirement of having ten models, doesnt change
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Let's try to make up game modes.

Thinking of something like having a character deliver a payload to an objective that your opponent places. Kinda like the Relic but backwards.
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>>54345424
No, just stop.
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>>54345990
I dunno, sounds like it might need a FAQ to me, anon.

>>54346013
Grifball
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>>54346001
They're worth every point.

3+/4++ 2W T4 Eldar models with 16" moves, 4 shuriken cat shots each + 1 lance at 6" + charge. Lances doing 2 damage per wound, the exarch rerolling on monsters and vehicles.

I won't leave home without 9.


you already have a warlock, imagine adding -1 to hit to that.
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>>54345404
>Necrons

I will help the Imperium because Pylons.
We are gonna build a wall and make chaos pay for it!
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>>54345931
Not the same guy. How are the two statements you keep using different? What makes you think that "for every ten models" allows you to take two reapers with 11 models?

I don't get how you make that interpretation. It's very clear what ten means.
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>>54346013
So, like delivering a bomb? Some sort of objective that needs a specially made explosive delivered to it, and can't just be shot to shit from the ground? So one unit or character would have the bomb, and if they get killed other models have to pick it up.
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>>54345404
Orkz here, my store has got a bunch of chaos gitz.
Gotta knock 'em down a peg!
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>>54346045
I wrote all this and then >>54346025 captures the idea a lot better. Yeah, straight up Grifball. Allow units to throw the ball to eachother.
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>>54345931
Yes, for every 10 models you get 1 reaper. At 10 you get 1 reaper, at 10 more you get another reaper. It says "for every 10" not, every model after 10.
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>>54346028
none of that is impressive

you want to wrap your warlock in shadow spectres using conceal to give the 30 of them -2 to hit
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>>54346070
I personally thought mowing my way through a squad of terminators, a c'tan shard, a triarch stalker, and a cryptek in one game was pretty good.
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>>54346025
>random model becomes imperial fist and everyone gets to kill it.

Perturabo approves
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I really hate what GW has done to Skitarii Vanguards. I roll 4 6s to wound and it means fuck all because the target squad only has 1 wound each anyways. Doing 2 damage means fuck all on a S3 AP0 weapon.
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>>54346045
>>54346054

Just play Bloodbowl already.
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>>54345583
...I think I really hate that crotch relic.
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>>54346117
I will when they make Bloodbowl 40K.

...seriously, I probably would play it then.
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Ok I think I can clear up the Rubric debate but we need someone who is subscribed to GWs Twitch.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5RUUSlmUQ
According to this guy GW played with only 9 rubrics and that included a soulreaper.
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>>54346128
Isn't that Dreadball?
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>>54346135
Doesn't the unit also include a sorcerer, making the unit ten models strong?

Also GW get their own rules wrong all the time on stream.
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>>54346090

Perty pls
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>>54346127
You gotta protect your dick from unholy Slaanesh demons
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>>54346082
welp i'm sold on shining spears then, now to get around to a conversion i've idea i've had for a while. windriders + dragon princes
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>>54346156
No they don't. Name 3 times.
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So I'm confused. How do blue and brimstone horrors attack if they have bs:(-)? And do horrors have any melee?
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>>54346117
That game is proof they even Europeans secretly think Soccer is gay as fuck.

Maybe if you and the rest of the world had some fucking money the most popular sport wouldn't be about kicking a inflated goat bladder past a stick in the blown out crater left from a Nazi warhead.
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>>54346135
So I'm guessing everyones a poorfag then?
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>>54346177
There were more than three in the game between Duncans knights and the dark eldar alone.
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>>54346201
kek
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>>54346193
read this. psychic powers aren't based off BS and every model attacks at base strength ap- damage 1 if they lack a weapon
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>>54346193
Blues and BRimstones attack in melee. The profile makes it clear that only Pink Horrors have a shooting attack.
And yes they all have melee attacks. Why wouldn't they?
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>>54346193
If a unit has a WS, it can attack in melee.
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>>54346224
But they lose that shooting they had while pink? Are they even worth fielding in a single unit of 10 then?
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>>54346258
>>54346240
>>54346224
Thanks. Just seems a little silly since even the online description of the blues says they shoot fire
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>>54346210
Cite them.
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Anyone else think Slaanesh Daemons are very one dimensional?

>hurr we go fast!

Why not incorporate some of the ideals of the chaos god? Like something to do with temptation?
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If these guys get bolters as alternate weapons they would make the perfect basis for a Raptors army.
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>It will be finished... As long as it takes. Ten years, ten thousand years. That is the true virtue of discovery, you never know how long it will take you. The journey is the joy, as once was said, long, long ago. My brothers in the priesthood forget this. They do not like to innovate,' he said, stressing the word... 'They copy. They look for other things to copy. They make mistakes while they are copying. They rarely understand what they replicate, and «never make anything new. I do,' he said proudly. 'Anything can be improved upon, and if it cannot, then you should make something better. This was once the prime driver of human technology. My colleagues think we have forgotten much and expend all their efforts in rediscovering it, but actually the most precious thing we lost as a species was not standard templates or ancient techniques, but the spirit of inquiry. Without it, there is no science. They do not see this, and would kill me for saying so. But the Emperor knew..

What's the Mary Sue rating of Cawl? This guy just won't stop raping the lore. An Admech that embracing innovation and true science. WTF, dude?
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>>54346201
Which is why we invented Rugby.

It's like American Football but without all that armour and stopping every 20 seconds.
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>>54345853
Thank you for pointing out why you are wrong. The wording for the rubrics is not equivalent to that but you are trying to convince yourself that it is.
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>>54346299
The AdMech hate Cawl. He's a radical Magos and the only reason he's not dead is Bobby G told everyone to fuck off.
Stay mad cause Cawl best character.
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>>54345756
>It's sad you won't be helping chaos, but the idea of Dark Eldar flying to the defence of Konor because "we can't steal their shit if they get killed!" is hilarious to me.
A Nurglite victory would be terrible for the Dark Eldar, because what will they torture if everyone is too bloated by disease to feel pain?
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>>54346299
>All Ad Mech should think the same way and none of them should stand out as different
Boring
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>>54346299
AdMech innovating technically isn't new, the Cult Mechanicus Codex talked about Ryza being forced to start innovating to combat the Orks invading them. The AdMech have invented new things on occasion in the lore.
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>>54346290
>moving the terrain when charging with the Knights (multiple times)
>a knight charging a unit on top of a ruin
>the dark eldars leaving their transport after it had moved (multiple times)

It was still a fun game to watch but the broke a few rules.
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>>54346265
...you know i've read that page at least 10 times now and i've never noticed they had a regular shooting attack. i think 6th/7th has brainwashed me hard.

>>54346299
i feel like he's been given some answers by changeling and fateweaver about how the universe works

>>54346295
because it's easier to marke- i mean because 8th is stripped down. there's a few stories about excess in the 6th daemon book that aren't just sex. like hellflayers or the masque
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>>54346296
they will

the scrawny legs and doofy skull heads are kind of rubbing me the wrong way though
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>>54346321
No, the Admech codex says that the Admech have long ago lost the ability to truly innovate. Ryza are not innovating. They are just copying old stuff and mixing it up.
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>>54346325
I bet those will be rules soon-ish.

It's why they charged out of transports in that one game last year. Forgot they weren't playing 8th.
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>>54346312
For every 10 models 1 can take a soulreaper. It doesnt say that you are required you to have 10 models. 11 models means 2 reapers.
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>>54346352
Yes it does. That is exactly what that means.
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>>54346329
I had the same problem with the "Easy-To-Build" Reivers, but for some reason I'm fine with these. Maybe it's the poses.

Although I'll probably buy alternate heads so they aren't all the same.
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>>54346299
Where is this from?
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>>54346360
>Yes it does.
No it doesnt. I've stated my reasoning all you do is yell no back.
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>>54343882
Pls thin.
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r8 h8 appreci8
also, suggestions on a name for the lads? they're going to be used in conjunction with some Iron Hands and Mechanicum/Titan Guard in the future.
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>>54346360
No it doesnt. It would say
>If this unit contains ten models it can replace one inferno bolter with a soulreaper cannon.
Thats not the case.
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>>54346314
Fair point, I'm still helping Nurgle take Konor though, as much as I hate the fat bastard and don't want anything to do with the diseased rotbags, I hate the Smurfs even more.
Besides, I may be Slaaneshi, but even I know Chaos should work together in these campaigns. And a Nurgle victory would really stick in the Imperiums craw.
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>>54346391
"In the Grim Darkness" by Guy Haley. An exclusive story that's in the limited edition version of "Dark Imperium".
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>>54346430
Two main things stick out to me:
Finish the plama
Lack of highlights

Other than those, I dig it.
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>>54346352
>for every 10 models
>you can get 1(one) soulreapepr

Ain't rocket science bud.
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>>54346394
For every 10 models means when you have 10, you can take 1. With zero ambiguity.
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>chaosfags WAACfagging AGAIN
Oh wow this was an entirely unprecedented turn of events
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>>54346445
he ain't done yet, still need to bring the rest of the armour up to the same tone as the helmet and a myriad of other details, then I'll get on highlights
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>>54346455
>NPCfag being salty about Chaos AGAIN

Who would've guessed it?
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I dunno guys, he on to something.
My marines save is 3+
Sure your dumb elf gun has the minus trait but I'm pretty sure I can just use 3+. If I couldn't use 3+ it'd say it
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>>54346339
>The Tech-Priests of Ryza have turned to more inventive measures: virus bombs rain down across the Obduras continent, laying low lessergreen skins by the million as hermetically sealed Kastelan Robot Maniples thump phosphor rounds in to those Orks tough enough to survive. Above the polar metropolises, Ork fighter craft are harried by Onagers modified to crawl up the sheer hive walls. Upon Ryza it is not attrition that will carry the day, but invention – a quality the Adeptus Mechanicus considers al l but heretical.

Innovation doesn't necessarily mean you invented something brand spanking new.
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>>54346459
>YFW I play Ultramarines
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>>54346352
So do the check.
>I have 11 models.
>Do I have ten? Yes, I get a rotor cannon.
>Do I have another ten? No.
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I guess in 40k the only real use for blue and brimstone horrors is to tarpit, and even then that only helps with melee.
Am I better off running two units of just pink horrors rather than a unit of 10 pinks that split into two blues each which split into brimstones? They're similar in points.
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>>54346459

remind me again why my xenos shouldn't scrub every victory from you that they can
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>>54345962
The only semi useful thing about split is the cost comes from the points you set aside for reinforcements. You can still draw from that pool to summon other things if your horrors aren't being killed.

Smite is a warp charge 5 spell. It does D3 mortal wounds to the closest enemy unit within 18". If you roll a 10+ it does D6 mortal wounds instead. Keep in mind that all 3 variants of horrors can only roll 1d6 for the psychic test, meaning it only has 1/3rd chance of being successful and can never proc the D6 mortal wounds.

Pink Horrors and split both badly needed a nerf, but they are now worse in every way from 7e and cost more for their trouble. I don't see much use for split in 8e unless you just want to use up points already set aside from summoning, which is also a bad mechanic now.
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>>54346450
>For every 10 models means when you have 10, you can take 1.
No it doesnt.

>For every ten models in the unit, one rubric Marines may replace his inferno boltgun with a soul reaper cannon.
The maximum amount of soulreapers in a unit of 10 is 1. The unit doesnt not have to contain ten models.
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Hey 40kg, help a noob out.
I can run regular CSM as Chosen, right?
My LGS doesn't enforce WYSIWYG but CSM with special weapons can make a squad of Chosen?
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So I've been looking forward to the Start Collecting Slaanesh box, but I've already got 30 daemonettes. Would it be a better deal to just buy the other models individually?

And do you think there's any plans to make a new Keeper of Secrets model? The Forgeworld one is decent but if an awesome plastic one is coming then I'll wait.
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>>54346436
>If this unit contains ten models it can replace one inferno bolter with a soulreaper cannon.
>For every ten models in this unit one model (etc.)

How do you make less than ten count as ten? A unit of 11 makes for a ten and a one. For every ten you can buy a reaper. The first ten are ten so you get a reaper, the one guy is not ten so no extra reaper.
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>using this model
>storing this model in a case
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>>54346459
I literally just bought a Ravenwing Darkshroud yesterday bud. Anything but an NPC.
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>>54346500
Yeah, Keeper of Secrets is coming, we know that much, no idea about when though.
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>>54346499
Chosen models aren't any different than regular CSM, that's correct. Unless you get the ones from the Dark Vengeance set, but you can't customize those.
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>>54346508

Wouldn't be an issue if you used the official Citadel carrying cases, which sells for insane prices at retail.
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These look lamer than I thought they would
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>>54346508
What the fuck is he aiming at?
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>>54346500
Shame Daemonettes have such shitty looking models. There's some pretty good alternate models out there that look a lot better.
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>>54346499
Just paint them fancier, stick more accessories on them, that kind of thing
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>>54346488
Shit. Two units of 10 pinks it is then. At least I get more dakka out of it. Pinks are still good as themselves though, right?
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>>54346531
At JUSTICE, my good chum.
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>>54346503
It doesnt have to BE ten. Read the thread retard.
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>>54346528
Meant to link
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>>54346531
Hive tyrant
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>>54346555
Why does the guy in the middle have an emoji on his kneepad
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>>54346524
>which sells for insane prices at retail.

It's not even the most expensive miniature foam case on the market.
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>>54346536
I've got 30 of the juan diaz casts. Much superior to the new ones but gluing the arms on is a right bitch.
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>>54346561
Shoulda bought 60 MM instead
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>>54346554
I have read the thread and I disagree with your interpretation of the phrase "for every ten" because it makes no sense.
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>>54346524
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>>54346521
Thanks, I do have the ones from the Dark Vengeance set but I don't like how they look.
>>54346540
I have some Special Weapons and Heavy Weapons guys already having extra stuff on them. Thanks.
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>>54346567

If you're only looking at the miniature foam case market, sure.
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If 5 dudes could take a special it wouldn't have mentioned the every 10 caveat at all.
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>>54346565
It's a red skull and Ultramarines symbol, it denotes he is the sergeant.
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Hows this "IG" list sound?
It was a vraks renegades army until the fucking forgeworld index made that into an unplayably bad army
(Using power cause the listbuilder website is gone and finding point values for every little thing is too much of a pain at this point in planning, I'm also not gonna note the special weapons)

Platoon 1 (+3 command points)
>Company Commander
>Primaris Psyker (x2)
>Platoon Commander
>Command Squad (standard)
>Veteran squad
>Infantry Squad (x4)
>20-man Conscript blob (x2)

Platoon 2 (+3 command points)
>Company Commander
>Primaris Psyker
>Platoon Commander
>Command Squad (mortar team+standard)
>Veteran squad
>Infantry Squad (x3)
>20-man Conscript blob (x2)
>Heavy wep squad (3 lascannons)

Vanguard 1 (+1 command point)
>Uriah Jacobus
>Ministorum Priest (x4)

Vanguard 2 (+1 command point)
>Lord commissar
>Commissar (x4)

Total Power: 99
Total Command Points: 8
Total # of dudes: 191
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>>54346598
Without a close up looks more like something sticking a tongue out
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>>54346555

Wow. They're just Gravis Centurions. I might as well just take the spare Gravis Captains that I have and slap on some spare cyclone missile launchers and power fists with heavy bolters.
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>>54346586
Look at the differences.
Rubrics
>For every ten models in the unit, one rubric Marines may replace his inferno boltgun with a soulreaper cannon.
SoT
>>One Scarab Occult Terminator may take a hellfyre rack. If the unit contains ten models, a second Scarab Occult Terminator may also do this.
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>>54346595

No miniature foam case producer has non-insane prices compared to regular foam cases. Calling the GW one insanely priced is redundant when it is in line or cheaper than most other foam cases. ALL miniature foam is "insanely priced" if we use this basis of measurement.

Not even shilling GW, just pointing out how dumb it is to call GW "insanely" priced in this situation when they actually priced their foam competitively.

Don't buy the GW foam cases, BTW, they're shit.
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>>54346628
for those 10 Rubes
obviously the first 4, second 4, and next 2 marines each constitute 10ths so you get 5 special weapons
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>>54346567
>>54346524
Speaking of foam cases, any suggestions? I want to store my forces better from now on. Considering how many I have, I might just buy a bin and a lot of cheap foam to cut spaces for them, but I'm not against spending a bit more on a good case if someone can recommend one.
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Are we still on this Rubric thing?
Jfc
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>>54346554
Yes it does.

Ten is a threshold that you reach to qualify, not any portion of 10.
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>>54346621
Gravis Devastators really, or missile termies. No idea why people call them Centurions, they look nothing like them.
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>>54346651
Cause they're clearly competing for a similar role, dumbass.
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>>54346650
>Ten is a threshold that you reach to qualify, not any portion of 10.
It does not say that.
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>>54346628
Those two wordings means the same thing. Sure, it would have been nice with some consistency but what makes you think that less than ten would count as ten?
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Tbh, i think that it would be nice if Rubrics could have a Soulreaper in 5man squad, or two in 11man squad.

But that's just clearly not what the rules say.
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>>54346660
>that less than ten would count as ten
It doesnt counts as ten. I never said it did counts as ten.
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10 models, not 10 Rubrics.
9 Rubrics+1 Aspiring Sorcerer nets you the BFG.
20 models nets you another.
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>>54346651
>>54346658

This. Termies fill the elite slot and are designed to take abuse firstly, These things fill the heavy support slot and are designed for heavy fire support firstly.
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>>54346644
I just bought a GW Foam Case because I'm lazy but I can tell you what someone at my LGS did that I plan on doing next time.
He got a tool chest from a hardware store, then he magnetised the bases of all his models.
It's a big tool chest too, with wheels on the bottom and lots of drawers for all his models. He also stores his painting supplies, dice, and spare bits in the thing.
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>>54346658

Aggressors are for the Primaris only players who want Centurions.
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>>54346670
How else do you make the eleventh guy fulfill the requirement: for every ten?
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>>54346658
Ooooh I thought they were saying they looked like them.
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>>54346681
that shit sounds way too heavy to take around desu
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>>54346545
Their biggest strength is their durability. A 4++ is really solid for sitting on objectives in large numbers and they can overwatch now, but they've lost fearless, have low leadership, and their points cost can really start to add up. Tzeentch heralds also do jack shit for them in 8e (+1 strength for Tzeentch daemons? Seriously GW?), but hide the Changeling behind them and they can be a right pain in the ass to remove.

>>54346673
Another 1ksons player here. This anon is correct. You definitely can't use the Soulreaper Canon in a squad of less than 10. Good luck to the anon trying to rules lawyer his way around that restriction at his local game store.
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>>54346616
Did you look the new FAQ? i am pretty curious if they fixed something.
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>>54346685
What strawman are you trying to erect here? YOU DO NOT NEED TEN RUBRICS.

>For every ten models in the unit one can take a soulreaper
So 11 models allows 2 soulreapers
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>>54346628
Lets make this very simple for you.

rubrics:
5-9 - 0 cannon
10-19 - 1 cannon
20 - 2 cannon

scarab:
5-9 - 1 hellfyre
10 - 2 hellfyre

The wording if different only because rubrics can go to 20 and qualify twice. If the scarabs said "For every 10" it would be functionally identical (but you'd have dumb people like yourself asking if they an have more than 10 models)
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>>54346555

According to the DI novel, aggressors get missile racks and heavy flamers. But those weapons look like some weird combination of flamer or melta with heavy bolter drum feeds and barrels. Maybe they're melta bolters or something?
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>>54346681
It's certainly an idea, I may consider it. I just don't want to have to magnetize all my boyz. I guess it wouldn't be too big of a problem, but kinda like the security of foam, in case it gets bumped.
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>>54346704
>YOU DO NOT NEED TEN RUBRICS.
Wrong.
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>>54346710
Maybe it's a weapon option?
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>>54346710
Maybe they'll have different wargear options.
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>>54346716
Not an argument.
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>>54346531
grapnels are used to climb on buildings, so probably one of those
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>>54346704
>Straw-man
Says the guy calling people retarded.

Still, you haven't explained how the eleventh guy is ten guys.
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This whole thing can be solved if someone has a twitch subscription.
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>>54346703
I havent checked the faq out fully yet why, what should i be on the lookout for?
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>>54346170
That's an awesome idea.

Also just to prove I'm not nuts; here's their shooting against Terminators and Assault vs Termies. (obviously watch out for things with big invuln saves)

I always round down because my dice hate me.

Shuripults
4x9 shots = 36
36 x .66 = 23.76
23 x .5 = 11.5 wounds,
23 x .166 = 3.8 bladestorm.

so 8 wounds 3 with -3 AP

3 x .333 = 0.999 saves = 2 wounds, one dead terminator up front
8 x .166 = 1.3 wounds failed = 1 wound.

So shuripults do 3 wounds up front. 1.5 dead termies.

Assuming half the squad got within 6", 4 lances, one is the Exarch because you don't suck. But its all wounding on 3+ anyway.
You probably get 1 wound through, dealing 2 wounds. Killing a second termie.

Ok so 2 termies down. Now you charge.
19 attacks x 0.666 = 12.65
12 x 0.666 = 8 wounds x 0.333 = 2.6 saves
So assuming 3 saves that's 5 wounds punching through the invulns at 2 damage each which is 5 dead termies.

So you can reliably kill 7 termies between shooting and assault without any characters helping out.

Hmm..I wonder how these fair against a storm raven...brb.
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>>54345629
Seconded
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>>54346722
Yeah, but at that angle?
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>>54346719
It would seem to be all of the argument you can understand.

11 contains only one set of 10 therefore only one cannon.
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>>54346723
Wow. How did you take a question as a statement? Fucking hell anon.

Address the argument before responding again.
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>>54346698
He wheels it around. Also he got a fancy one that comes apart into multiple tool boxes but can be stacked as a tower of them with wheels at the bottom.
You could always just grab a smaller toolbox with the same idea.
>>54346714
From what I've seen if it gets bumped they don't move much at all, they very rarely slide when they do.
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>>54346702
Im doing a khorne-Tzeentch mix list. I personally really like the look of horrors, heralds and lords of change. Was originally planning on using horrors and bloodletters, with blood crushers for shop and a loc in command,m. What would a better choice be?
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>>54345629
>>54346733

instead of missile launchers and flamers, hurricane bolters and chainfists?
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>>54346723
>Still, you haven't explained how the eleventh guy is ten guys.

10 dudes of dust in 1 suit

>>54346737
spiderman yo
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>>54346737
Probably about right for one of the one-story city ruins. Those are shorter than you'd think.

maybe even the shadow war walkways, but that's a bit of a stretch
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>>54346747
What argument? All you do is repeat "11 guys get two cannons" without addressing any argument against your interpretation.
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>>54346761
only possible solution for that guy
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>>54346738
See >>54346704
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>>54346704
how many tens are in 11, man
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>>54346777
This guy
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>>54346761
>10 dudes of dust in 1 suit
Finally some sense in the matter.
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>>54346750
I mean, definitely sounds useful, but I just imagine me smashing shit trying to get something like that into my car. I need to get one of those for my house though.
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>>54346777
Not an argument.
>>
STOP
TAKING
THE
BAIT
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>>54346782

11. Every primaris space marine is a 10/10.
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>>54346786
>Unlimited Bait Works
>Gate of Babylon animation

Every time
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>>54346790
It is included in the linked post.

Tray addressing it next time.

>>54346782
There is not need to take 10 models. 1 soulreaper is restricted to 10 models. 2 to above 10 models.
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>>54346750
I will consider it. I do want to avoid having to repair any of my minis between games, and need something sturdy to store all of them between games.
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>>54346732
I calculate close to 7 wounds in shooting, assuming all models participate.

6 wounds flat out from assault.

2 for sure from the Exarch, may get lucky and get 4.
So with good positioning and mediocre rolls you can drop a flier in one turn with these suckers. At full strength, which is unlikely to happen in any real game but they're flexible enough to put the hurt on for sure.

Ok so they might be a touch over costed, but even still they are damned good relative to other eldar things
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>>54346809
>There is not need to take 10 models.
there is explicitly a need to take ten models
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>>54346809
see
>>54346786
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>>54346498
Are people really this stupid? Please tell me this is a joke, /tg/.
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>>54346794
Everyone likes a train wreck.

We just want to see which brand of stupid he is.
Will it be stick to his guns guns and start accusing everyone else of being stupid (we've already had incorrectly used accusations of fallacies thrown at his opponents so it's looking good) or will it be realize he's wrong and claim to just be trolling?
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>>54346789
Well, I've never seen him have trouble with it.
>>54346810
It's sturdy all right. I think the magnets help them not move but he also stacks them next to each other a lot so they can't slide as much.
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>>54346819
No it doesnt see >>54346498
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>>54346822

GIve me the FAQ which makes this clear. Oh wait, there isn't one. Fucking retard.
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Are sisters super cheap this edition?

>10x 3+ save 3+BS bodies
>Storm bolter
>Storm bolter
>Heavy bolter

Only 108 points holy fuck.
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>>54346799
lel

>>54346794
Pretty sure it is just 5 people trolling themselves at this point
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>>54346838

Sisters of Silence bolter bitchsquad cost 3 power.
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>>54346824
>we've already had incorrectly used accusations
It wasnt an accusation it was a question. That fact that you cannot tell this difference between these two things is telling.
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>>54346838
Yes, they're great to supplement Imperial Guard lists.
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>>54346824
I bet in hindsight he was only pretending to be retarded
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>>54346809
>It is included in the linked post
There is no argument in the linked post, just you making a patently incorrect statement.

9 does not qualify for a cannon
11 only qualifies for 1 cannon
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>constantly play a CSM list with a lot of predators and helbrutes
>Friends start getting used to it and always pack as many lascannons as they can against me
>Play horde daemons one game out of the blue, decimate

I feel dirty
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>>54346830
youre the kind of autist that wouldn't play my white scars with your ultramarines cause there isn't a book out yet with them fighting in it, arent you
>>
How to tell powerlevel is stupidly unbalanced 101

>Make 2k point list
>132PL
>Make a similar but different list
>112PL

BALANCED
A
L
A
N
C
E
D
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>>54346838
Too bad they're not cheap in real life.
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>>54346729
Used my prime sub, what am I looking for? I've got the video up but there is no closeup of the board as far as I can tell
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>>54346847
Wrong.

You made the assertion that his question was a strawman. Doing so within a question about the nature of his strawman does not make the assertion into a question.

Learn to grammar.
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>>54346854
>9 does not qualify for a cannon
Yes it does. It does not state that the unit must contain 10 models to take a soulreaper.
Units of 10 may take up to 1. Units of 11 or more may take two.
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>>54346868
>Comparing fighting over rules with fighting over lore
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>>54346871

How to tell points costs is stupidly unbalanced 101

>Make 100 power list
>2100 points
>Make a similar but different list
>1986 points

BALANCED
A
L
A
N
C
E
D
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>>54346851
I think we're building up to "you're all dumb and I'm the only one smart enough to understand it".
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>>54346871

I don't get it. The points limit for PL games is 100. 100 power level is supposed to represent 2000 points. You're basically saying PL is more balanced than points, because 100 PL is less than 2000 points.
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>>54346889
Riddle me this:
For every 10 apples you buy you get 1 free. How many apples do I have to buy to get 1 free?
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>>54346826
>he also stacks them next to each other a lot so they can't slide as much.
I'll keep that in mind if I go that route. I also realize nothing stops me from using magnets and some foam on my old metal guys, so maybe a combination will be the solution.
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>>54346891
>comparing
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Is it just me, or is the LoC underwhelming compared to the bloodthirsters?
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>>54346881
The guy in this vid >>54346135
said it was a game from 7th. Just find a TSons game and check the list.
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>>54346756
Heralds of Tzeentch can be good supporting the LoC, Screamers, or other melee-oriented Tzeentch models with the +1S aura. They can be used in melee if you're very careful about who they are fighting as their statline is not all that impressive, but their daggers have -1ap and they can heal themselves from killing enemies. If you have the spare points, putting them in a chariot is also not a bad idea to greatly improve their durability. They just aren't the psychic dakka killing and support machines they used to be. If you don't mind having a named herald, the Changeling is almost mandatory for Tzeentch daemons. His aura is too damn good to ignore and he can be a great character assassin as long as he's the one that gets the charge.

Khorne is a good choice to help offset the horrors' weaknesses (melee) while supporting the bigger daemons like the Lord of Change. The main issue of bloodcrushers/bloodletters has always been their fragility, but they are down right killy if they can survive the trek to melee. You may consider taking a khorne herald on a juggernaught to help support them with his aura, to attempt to summon the bloodletters so they don't have to foot slog (since the Tzeentch herald can only summon other Tzeentch daemons) or even a Bloodthirster if you like the LoC model (they are similar in size).

Daemons biggest weakness in general is our limited long-range options, with only the Skull Canon and Soul Grinder, both of which are somewhat lackluster for what they cost points wise. Still, it's all we have so it's better than nothing. I haven't played with my old Khorne Daemons this edition yet, but they are supposedly greatly improved over 7th.
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>>54346902
How is one army having less points at 100pl than another saying pl is more balanced? 100 pl is not supposed to represent 2k points. It is not and never has been intended to be a 1:1 match with any point value.
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The problem with all the new primaris stuff is the shitty ultramarines paintjob GW showcases them in

Its an awful flat blue that makes everything look like a mcdonalds toy
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>>54346904

5 cause that is the minimum squad size apples come in
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>>54346907
Glad I could help I guess.
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>>54346885
>Learn to grammar.
Ironic.

>>54346904
Just address the topic at hand not hypotheticals.
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>>54346889
Please explain how one model qualifies under the condition of "for every ten".

Also, if you believe that this is how it works, why aren't you taking squads of 5 and one squad of 1 each with a single cannon?
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>>54346830
I can't give you an FAQ to simple fucking English. I'm sorry.
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>>54346939
>why aren't you taking squads of 5 and one squad of 1 each with a single cannon?
You can do that? I've said that very thing several times now.
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>>54346911
I think both models are great. I'd buy the LoC, but they've been turned into melee units now and their bonus range to smite doesn't really help all that much when smite can only target the closest unit. If I want a giant melee machine, I have Bloodthirsters who can do it better for less points.
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>>54346904
>
According to the idiot, one.
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>>54346919
Yeah, that's my mail dilemma right now. I love the LoC model, but compared to the thirster (i.e. "The can opener"), they don't seem to measure up
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Is this the same idiot that keeps coming into threads just to assert that an obviously incorrect interpretation of the rules is correct?

Is this the new "command dice can re-roll your opponents dice"?
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>>54346938
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>>54346938
>>Learn to grammar.
>Ironic.
Yes, that was the point.

Tell me, whereabouts in the spectrum are you?
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>>54346932
Thanks a lot, it gave me more options to take into account.
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>>54346951
No, you can't. But if you believe that eleven models lets you take two cannons (it doesn't) then five man squads is maximum brrrt.
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>>54346965
>Complains someone uses a fallacy even when they didn't
>Reverts to using Ad Hominens
You're a weird one.
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>>54346962

the average of a d6 is 3
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>>54346999
3.5 actually.
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>>54346881
Check may 3-5 for a Tsons game Anon.
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>GW is literally going to have to FAQ something as simple as how many rubrics you need for each cannon.

Christ all mighty, whoever can't get this simple fucking rule right should seriously just stop playing the fucking game and do everyone a favor.
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How do the Konor Campaign's weekly themes work?
Do I just need to bring the models found in a Start Collecting! and have them in my list?
Because I did get the Start Collecting! Chaos Space Marines but that isn't on the store page anymore, replaced by a Starter Collection thing that comes with an Index now. But I also have the models from Start Collecting! Daemons of Slaanesh but I got them before the Start Collecting! box itself came out as individual models.
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>>54347015

whoosh

>>54347027

tsons confirmed for blubbering morons, magnus wasn't as smart as he thought apparently
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If I take three penitent engines, charge in, roll 4+ desperate for redemption, can I then use the compassion act of faith so they can hit three fucking times in a row?

>36 fucking attacks at 3+WS RE FUCKING ROLLING
>S10 AP-3, 3 flat damage
>Tfw you smite a T10 3+ heretic for an average of something like 42 damage

Hnnnnnnng time to purge.
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>>54347021
this game?
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>>54347042
not like anyone needed further confirmation of that
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>>54347027
GW tried to make the rules as simple as possible, instead of making them as specific as possible to prevent autists from trying to intentionally misinterpret them for an advantage.
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I had a dream I was painting Ad Mech rangers cloaks yellow and being disappointed with how it looked.

I don't collect ad Mech nor paint anything yellow. What did the dream mean?
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>>54346914
7th edition game on twitch? Guy is full of shit. There's an 8th edition pre-release game but none of his rubric squads have cannons.
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>>54346999

The average of D3 is 1.5
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>>54347047
Wow looks like it. Ah what now....
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>>54347043
Read how acts of faith work again. They happen at the start of your turn. However if you were in combat then, you could compassion, desperate for redemption, kill, charge something else and desperate for redemption then as well.
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>>54347047
Cant you just get the lists at the start of the game anon?
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>>54347068
Ah I thought they were like guard orders and you popped them whenever. Oh well, it's still pretty awesome.
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>>54347027
Because waacfag retards like him will bend words to their own forced interpretation and try to get away with it whenever they can. Even if it was FAQ'd, he'd just pretend he didn't know.
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>>54347078
No. List is on the community site for the prerelease game. List isn't up for the most recent game yet.
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>>54347063

>>54347078
I'll try. My internet is 3rd world slow on twitch so it takes a minute to load and the preview thumbnail doesn't show
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How Rubric Marines Work 101: A Guide for Morons
5-9: 0 Soul Reaper Canons
10-19: 1 Soul Reaper Canon
20: 2 Soul Reaper Canons

The Aspiring Sorcerer counts towards the squad size for the purposes of determining if you can field a heavy weapon or not, as a normal sergeant would.

Congratulations, you now know how Rubric Marines work. Please stop trying to incorrectly interpret the rules to give yourself an unfair advantage. At a certain point you need to begin reconsider your belief that everyone is wrong but you.
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>>54347047
That unit is ten models strong as the aspiring sorcerer is part of the unit.
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Less frustrating topic.
100+ years passed for T'au, what new shit will we get cause that is their shtick.

Rail rifles for everyone when?!
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>>54347107
Are you sure that one anon shouldn't just argue against this basic understanding of words for another two or three threads?
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>>54346998
No ad hominems (I was not suggesting that your point was less valid because you are autistic, please study the fallacies in more detail before employing them).

You refuse to address any arguments or even to make any while demanding everyone else addresses yours and you are apparently oblivious to even the most simple types of humor.

Clearly you are on the spectrum, I'm just wondering where exactly as it may help me to explain this to you.
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I actually watched a batrep where the Tsons player used a cannon when he only had 9 rubrics.
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>>54347107
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>>54347144
So what? Batrep players are ticking stupid a lot of the time.
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>>54347102
Army list for that game is on the community site, no cannons.
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>>54347144
It's not per ten rubrics, its per ten models. The sorc is part of the unit.
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>>54347043
>>54347068
>>54347088
Penitent Engine does not have the Act of Faith rule and as such can't use it.
None of the other vehicles have it either,
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>>54347144
And a sorceror.
Either that or he cheated, assuming it was 8th
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>>54347060
That you should start collecting Ad Mech as well as Iyanden Craftworld Eldar
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>>54347144
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5RUUSlmUQ

That's the vid. Not saying he was wrong, but he claims to have spoken to a GW rep about it.
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>>54347138
>No ad hominems
>Clearly you are on the spectrum
Doubling down I see. Go on write another paragraph about how you didnt do a thing that you did.
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>>54347182
wasn't wrong*
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>>54347060

yellow and admech will disappoint you
avoid them both
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>>54347181
Hasn't the Ynnead shit annexed pretty much all wraith construct armies into themselves?
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>>54347182
Well my uncle know the janitor at GW HQ and he says that Crudace says you can have as many rotor cannons as you want as long as your rubrics are really well painted.
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>>54347182
>I spoke to my LGS about it and he said it was ok.

For real?
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>>54347102
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/02/warhammer-live-this-week-may-3rd-5th/
Check this rematch against the wolves.
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10 models:1 BFG
Not 10 Rubrics, 10 models.

I hate you illiterate third worlder/fellow burgermen so godsdamned much.
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>>54347195
>admech will disappoint you
Where did the servitor touch you anon?
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>>54347185
Let's be clear here.

If I call you a retarded faggot that is not an ad hominem fallacy.

If I say your argument is bad because you're a retarded faggot that is an ad
hominem fallacy.

Ad I said, please study the logical fallacies more closely before employing them.
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>>54347207
That isn't what's this is about, you infinite nigger. That faggot is claiming that 5-9 allows you 1 Soulreaper and 11-20 allow you two.
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Did FW indexes leak yet? Can chaos use a sicaran punidher?
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>>54347034
>Do I just need to bring the models found in a Start Collecting! and have them in my list?
Not necessarily.

The Start Collecting is the first weekly painting goal (but even there, you can paint anything, it's just that an SC is worth more "points").
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>>54347215
I presented a ratio. The ratio that puts the ducking kibosh on this discussion.
It is ex-fucking-zactly what this is about, you peabrained ESL shitheel.
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>>54347214
>Attempting to justify your hypocritical behaviour this hard
The fact that you dont see the irony in me doing to you what you did to me, and then you spazzing out about it is hilarious.
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>>54347230
>I wasn't actually wrong, I was just doing what you were doing.
Prepare for "I'm not actually an idiot, I was just trolling" in 10...9...
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>>54347204
I'm not seeing it uploaded in may on their twitch page. I'll keep searching
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>>54347217
Ah shit, I didn't paint my Terminator Lord, I commissioned someone at my LGS who is better than me because I wanted him to look cool, he even has a greenstuffed spiked tentacle-whip for his left arm.
I guess my Daemons of Slaanesh are fully painted, or do I need to get the actual box and paint them up?
How does this weekly theme thing work? It's not explained very well. I don't even want the prizes, I figured if I somehow won I'd just give the dice bag away.
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>>54347241
When are you going to admit it Anon?
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>>54347182
The 1ksons player is wrong or whoever told him that was okay is wrong. All needs to fix this is stick one more rubric.
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>>54347215
>infinite nigger
please anon, my sides have entered the warp
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>>54347209
I'm translating his dreams for him

>>54347216
Long ago
Got FAQs too now
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>>54345290
When a maulerfiend replaces both magma cutters with Lasher Tendrils, do you get 2 sets of Lasher Tendrils (12 points x2)? Following the wording for the forgefiend weapon replacement being almost identical, I would believe that you would get 2 sets of lasher tendrils. I think it's worded strangely because tendrils is already plural, making it sound like you only get one.
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Why
E V E R
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take
>Basilisk
If pic related
E X I S T
X
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>>54346866
It's their fault for tailoring. Fuck 'em.
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9 Rubrics and 1 Aspiring Sorcerer is a total of 10 models. In other words it's perfectly valid to take the Soulreaper.
Want a second one? Take 10 additional Rubrics for a total of 20 models.
Boom valid.
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>>54347290
See >>54346704
From there you should be able to follow the thread and catch up.
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What will be the next plot event after Konor?
The first codex batch all pertain to Konor
Will we go to Armageddon next or check up on a struggle with a new hive fleet?
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>>54347204
They have a clip uploaded from it but not the full bat rep? I'm not seeing it
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>>54347307
This is not how you do basic math, dude.
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>>54347307
This has to be a troll.
Nobody can be this thick, can they?
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Alright anons, list a single of each

>Warlord Trait
>Faction Bonus
>Relic
>Psychic Power

you want your chapter/legion to get.
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>>54347307
And here I was thinking I wouldn't have to resort to drawing a fucking picture to end this.
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>>54346866
It is everyone's duty to periodically do this just to fuck with people that insist on list tailoring.
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>>54347334
There's no math involved. Try reading the linked post more slowly. The rest of the arguments can be found in the previous responses.
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>>54347362
There is no argument in your posts, just you going "You don't need ten - lalala" despite the rules clearly stating something to the contrary.
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I heard First Strike comes with some lore
Anyone know a thing about it?
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I'm going to start a GI list, could you guys give me some advice about which minis should I buy for a new army and then constructing a good list?

Also my GF wants to start an army too but she don't like the options, only sororitas, so do you know if GW are going to redesign their miniatures in the 8ed?
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>>54347399
If you click the red numbers it will take you down the reply train.
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>>54347405
>Also my GF wants to start an army too but she don't like the options, only sororitas, so do you know if GW are going to redesign their miniatures in the 8ed?

You can't convince her to go one of the Eldar factions to get her chick fix?
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>8th comes out
>Guard player suddenly proxies all his leman russes to have 3 heavy flamers each
>runs 6 russes and 3 wyverns parked in the back board every game

Fuck this shit man

Ive had to scratch build 40 tankbustas just to try to keep up
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>>54347352
>Warlord Trait
GRAND STRATEGY
>Faction Bonus
PSYBOLTS
>Relic
I wouldn't mind the Relic Halberd or FnP Termie armor
>Psychic Power
Holocaust
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>>54347405
Suggest SoS. They're cheaper and better models.
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>>54347362
>There's no math involved
Idiocy.
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What good is the thresher scythe? Like, it's just a waste of points.
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>>54347257
Good questions. I have the box at the shop but I only glance at the rules. Busy week.

>or do I need to get the actual box and paint them up?
>How does this weekly theme thing work?
You can't show something you already painted. It's a painting "competition". You need to paint it that week, but if you have to buy it too I'm not sure, I'll check.
But if you have that warscroll already, play with it and you'll get extra points.
In the week with Elites, for example, if you win a game with an army that contain Elite, you'll get 2 points.

If I have time tomorrow I'm gonna study the rules and post them here.
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>>54347408
There is no argument, just repetition of the same baseless assumption.

>YOU DO NOT NEED TEN RUBRICS.
>It doesnt have to BE ten.
>It doesnt say that you are required you to have 10 models
>It doesnt say you have to have ten models for the rubrics.
>Its not but it doesnt say I need 10 it just say 'for every ten units in the unit'.
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>>54347352
>Legion; Emperor's Children
>Warlord Trait; +1 to hit in fight phase, -1 to hit for enemies targeting you in the fight phase
>Faction Bonus; Combat Drugs
>Relic; Soulstealer Lash
>Psychic Power; Lash of Slaanesh
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>>54347422
>proxies
tell him to stop being a fag

If you're going to fag it up, at least have the balls to physically retrofit your shit.
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>>54347446
Don't you have to take it?
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>>54347405
I've waited 20 years, I'm sure she can wait one to see if plastics come out whenever their codex does. If she's made of fucking money, I'm sure she can invest in them now, but it'll feel like a lot of money wasted if they do get new minis.

Maybe discuss more current armies that you'd both be interested in, and work toward 1000 pts of each. Then, if Sisters do come out, won't be in TOO deep, and you'd still have interest in the other army if she abandons it entirely.
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>>54347144
This is bait. Cheeky!

Anyone who didn't get it, see >>54345432
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>>54347352
I'm actually fairly curious as to what bonuses they're going to give different <Forge World> options. Maybe Ryza will somehow get it's plasma proficiency back.
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>>54347450
Can I use my Start Collecting CSM in the first month for the extra points then? Because I don't have the Daemons of Slaanesh warscroll.
>an army that contains elite
So the number of Elites in the army doesn't matter for extra points?
I guess I should grab a Lord of War for week 6.
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>>54347453
I compared the difference in wording between two different units and showed why that is the case. You'd see that if you'd actually read the replies.
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>>54347419
She hates elfs.

>>54347427
Idk what SoS os.

>>54347460
20 years waiting? Fuck, I think that she should look for other army.
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>years 4 day 123
>Still no Dominus Siege Bombard model to go with ghe rule

WHY DO FW HATE GUARD
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>>54347491
Sisters of Slience.
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>>54347352
Night Lords
>Warlord Trait
Shadow Master - Your warlord and up to d3 infantry units can be set up in the shadows

>Faction Bonus
We come for you! - Units within 6" of at least one Night Lords unit lose an additional model to failed moral tests.

>Relic
The Night Talon - Ancient Nostroman chainglaive: +1S -3AP D2 wound rolls of 6 cause an additional mortal wound.

>Psychic Power
Visions of Death - Target enemy unit within x" must reroll successful armor saves
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>>54347352
-Tau
I dunno
Command node thing
Fusion Blades

-grey knights
Kill daemons harder
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>>54346049
Spiky Boyz
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>>54346037
Huh. Trump Dynasty. Orange heads on gold bodies.
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>>54347491
Maybe she can just run orks, and make nothing but Burnas. With enough looted rhinos as trukks, it's basically the same.
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>>54347479
>Can I use my Start Collecting CSM in the first month for the extra points then?
First week you mean. But sure, use it.

>Because I don't have the Daemons of Slaanesh warscroll.
I don't have the Exalted Chariot. Never liked it. I wonder if the seeker chariot + 2 Heralds on steed combo is valid since it's made from that kit.
But then again, I'm the owner, I can do whatever I want.

>So the number of Elites in the army doesn't matter for extra points?
No, just having/painting at least one
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>>54347494
>release NPC faction model so all 12 NPC players can go buy a recast of it

Why the fuck would they even bother
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>>54346344
>Advancing with a raider, assualt squad jumps out on turn one.

I can only be so erect
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>>54347485
They are different precisely because they do function differently. If you're interpretation were correct they could have used the exact same format as the scarabs:

"One rubric may take a cannon. If the unit contain 11 or more models then a second may do this."

Instead they used the "For every ten" format precisely to make it clear that there is a qualifying minimum.
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>>54347352
>Warlord Trait
Perfect Specimen - The warlord can shoot each of his weapon 2 times in each Shooting phase.

>Faction Bonus
Master of Mont'ka : <Battlesuits> in the army have +1T

>Relic
Emergency Protocol - Savior protocol has a range of 24" for this model

>Psychic Power
dont need that shit
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>>54347352
>Warlord Trait
Warlord ignores wounds on a 5+
>Faction Bonus
Goff infantry gain +1 strength on a turn that they charge
>Relic
Lukky Stikk: command point rerolls regarding your warlord dont cost points (attacks, saves, charging, etc)
>Psychic Power
Foot of Gork
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>>54345583
I want the flyers to get those guns/fists.
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>>54347352
Let's see for Carcharodons

>>Warlord Trait
Blood Frenzy
Each wound roll of a 6 generates an additional attack for warlord

>>Faction Bonus
All Marines may take a Chainsword

>>Relic
Maw of the Void Hunter
Pair of lightning claws with +1S

>>Psychic Power
From the Depths
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>>54347577
>octmannder

Anyway, not a melee relic? Weak
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>>54347553
I have all the models found in the Start Collecting for Daemons of Slaanesh. But I got them before the new box was even announced.
I mean I customised/kitbashed the Daemonettes to make them resemble 2nd gen Daemonettes but still
Can I use them or would I need the scroll from the box?
Also, say I have a Helbrute with only the base coat, would that be acceptable for the painting part of the competition?
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>>54345983
I like how you took the one person saying you're rigjt with no proof.
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>>54347550
At least she likes blood axes (she said they are cute), but she wants girls too... And this is a fucked up combination..
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>>54347584
Why would you take +1S claws when Tyberos gives everything within 6" +1S? Personally for Carcharodons I'd like the army to get the 1pt for chainswords on all marines, and be able to fall back and charge (since the Badab War books describe their hit and run tactics as exactly that). As for warlord traits, probably extra attacks on 6's to hit like Death to the False Emperor, or +1 to wound Infantry.
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>>54347654
>and be able to fall back and charge

That's simply ASF.
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>>54347625
I've been an ork player the entire 20 some years since the 2nd edition Sisters of Battle codex came out. Actually focus a lot of Blood Axe. I would still buy Sisters the INSTANT they got plastic troops, so I don't think it's that odd a combo. Sometimes you want to WAAAGH!, sometimes you want to BURN THE HERETIC!.
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>>54347625
So take blood axes but tell people that they identify as girls.

If that's not good enough for her then tell the CIS bitch to check her privilege. I'm told that's how it works now.
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>>54347605
>I mean I customised/kitbashed the Daemonettes to make them resemble 2nd gen Daemonettes but still
pic related

>Can I use them or would I need the scroll from the box?
As far as I know yes. I'll know for sure tomorrow.
>Also, say I have a Helbrute with only the base coat, would that be acceptable for the painting part of the competition?
I'm guessing yes. There is plenty of stuff that seems to be at the judgement of the shop owner. Ask yours to be sure, but really, I don't think anyone would have something to say.
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I liked the old Carcharodon rules. They were shit but they were fluffy.

Walrord aura of Preferred Enemy (Infantry), after getting in combat get +1A and have berserker movement like World Eaters or Leviathan Dreadnought, can't ally anyone except Imperials as Desperate, chainswords on bolter models.
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>>54347571
>>54347485
>>54347453
>>54347399
>>54347362
>>54347307
>>54346704
>>54346670
>>54346554
This argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ypaXNVPkSg
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>>54347617
~Not a surprise at all. It's not often that we get a genuine autist rather than the much more common idiot with no social skills.
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>>54347625
Lies, you made her up! Everyone knows girls only play Tyranids
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>>54347605

Different anon, but I'm running it at my store. The painting points are given to newly painted stuff during the campaign. A vet with 20000pts of space Marines can show up with his army and start claiming units. However, if you finish something during the campaign, that's a point, or double on theme.

However, playing games is totally different. Each victory is worth 1 point, or if you army includes a PAINTED theme unit, then you get double. In week 1 if your army has Space Marines or the models in a start collecting, then you get double.
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>>54347683

Female players tend to play monstrous and evil races. Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Orks, Chaos Daemons, sometimes Craftworld Eldar and SoB.
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>>54347285
Out of production for years. Good luck ever finding that model. Good luck bringing your counts-as to a tournament.
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>>54347654

Because I'm tired. That's a bit better, yea. However, I don't think hit and charge makes much sense because as the other anon pointed out, that's basically always strikes first. Maybe let them assault a different unit OR double move on the fallback?

>>54347679

I agree. Shit but fluffy. I just really want to have the Bolter, Pistol, and Chainsword again. However, even CSM lost that option, so I doubt we'll be getting it back.
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>>54347625
Well, what factions have girl models?

Sisters, Eldar... IG have them in the fluff but I don't think they have actual models.

Am I missing anyone?
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>>54347671
Thanks, I'll ask the Store Owner personally about my Helbrute and Daemons.
>>54347686
>finish something during the campaign
By that wording my Helbrute could be okay.
I don't really want to get more Start Collecting boxes for week 1 though.
Sounds like I can still use my CSM in week 1 though.
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>>54347425
i want it as well
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>>54347706
1) Its literraly on forgeworld looking at it right now
2) Chinaman has them for $30 and thays without his sale until the 16th where everything is -40%
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Fuck TSons shitposting, here's my Carcharodon list that I used to BTFO a Chaos player today. Don't know how I'd go against horde armies, and my mate's Dark Eldar can basically erase this list with his 40+ dark lances and blasters, but it crushes everyone. I'm pretty confident in using this as an all-comers list for a while yet.
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>>54347743
Good list
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>>54347706
Derp. You're talking about the earthshaker platform (on legs) not the earthshaker battery (on wheels)
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>>54347743
Might help if I attached the list
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>>54347694
They relate to ravenous devourers of resources.
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>>54347737
You're looking at Carriages. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Heavy-Artillery-Carriage-with-Earth-Shaker-Cannon

That shit is different rules. They have guardsman crew that die and remove it and can't shoot in combat.
Pic related is what you need. Pro-tip: It doesn't exist.
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>>54347706
Bro i ordered 2 last week
The fuck you're on about
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DK/Heavy-Artillery-Carriage-with-Earth-Shaker-Cannon
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>>54347767
See >>54347763
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>>54345735

Swap the wyches for corsair skyreavers and have a full army of winged devils
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>>54347723
Well, you can always see what entering "female 40K" into ebay will get you. But you're right as for actual GW models, only forgetting Tau, really. I guess Necrons can be girls, because... it's not like they have their junk anyway.
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>>54347706
Considering it's OOP I doubt any reasonable tournament would have any issue with a kitbash or counts as. It wouldn't be hard to make something recognizable.
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>>54347758
Now I'm confused anon, the rules in your picture are the ones on legs.
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I want Psybolt and psychotroke grenades back
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>>54347779
that doesn't look THAT bad
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>>54347760
>STILL no Red Brethren/10
Improved, however.
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>>54347760
Am a fan of your list
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>>54347285
>>54347706

That's why you build them yourself.
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>>54347683
Well, she don't play anything yet... But she lunes orks dressed as uniformes humans.
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>>54347779
I remember seeing some of those on ebay when I was scrounging for stuff the other day, what was that about? These ones too.
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>>54347798
Yeah, seems to be one company that makes a few minis.

I'm not posting the ones with their tits out though, you'll have to check those out on your own
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People at my store are telling me dark eldar are OP this edition, what do you think anons?
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>>54347723
40K factions with female minis:
Inquistion/Assasins/SoB
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tau (not that you can tell the difference but there are female bare heads in both of the infantry kits)
Daemons (kinda, they're technically genderless but there are some female-ish models)

IG should have female minis but don't (besides a few terrible ones). There are plenty of third party options.
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>>54347352
Thousand Sons
>Warlord Trait
Master of Deception
>Faction Bonus
A lot of good psychic powers, so that the sorcerers can be used for something other than spamming smite
>Relic
Give me my Seer's Bane back
>Psychic Power
DOOMBOLT
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>>54347818
Dark eldar are hoot garbage.
Ynnari are kinda good.
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>>54347352
Faction: Thousand Sons
>Warlord Trait
Master of the Arcane, may ignore the first Perils of the Warp result rolled each round.
>Faction Bonus
Tutelary Familiars: All Sorcerers may reroll failed psychic tests
Vengeance for Prospero: All Thousand Sons units may reroll failed to hit rolls against any model with the Space Wolves keyword
>Relic
Book of Magnus
The wielder now rolls 1d6 to determine smite damage and 2d6 if the roll was a 10+. The bearer is immediately slain, with no saves allowed and regardless of remaining wounds, on any roll of double 1s or 6s.
>Psychic Power
Doombolt. It's too iconic to the sorcerer to remain gone.
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>>54347788
You're correct - I'm wrong.

Carriage = wheels
not-carriage = legs
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>>54347813
You know, I wouldn't mind having some bits from these. I kinda like the legs.
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>>54347825
once you play against a list with nine units and over 40 anti-tank weapons, you'll reconsider that opinion.
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>>54347485
>Catalogs your stupidity through this thread
>"But you didn't read the replies"
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>>54347352
>Warlord Trait
Iron Without: Warlord ignores any wounds or mortal wounds on a 5+
>Faction Bonus
Iron Within: Legion units with this rule can never lose more than a single model to a failed morale check.
>Relic
Flesh and metal: The bearer gains +2 to its invulnerable save, and gains a 4+ invulnerable if does not already have one.
>Psychic Power
Machine ex Machina: Casting value 8, Target a vehicle unit within 6" you may immediately complete a fight, move or shooting phase for that unit.
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>>54347846
>once you play against a list with nine units and over 40 anti-tank weapons, you'll reconsider that opinion.
I'm far more concerned by superheavy lists.
3 double gat knights supported by Guilliman will really fuck up your day.
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I don't get it. What was wrong the Iron Hands Dreadnought?
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>>54347817
I don't understand how they haven't been sued yet. But the wink wink nudge nudge names make me laugh hard.
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>>54346430
colors used?
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>>54347909
Maybe they're based in some country that doesn't care about copyrights, or maybe GW turns a blind eye because they don't really want to bother making more female models of their own. Hell, maybe the wink wink nudge nudge names are JUST ENOUGH to make it sorta legal if you squint.
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>>54347902
No pilot, so Keys of Hel last I checked. That or abominable intelligence, but I doubt the Iron Hands would try that. Anyway, basically a Zombie Dread.
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>>54347899

Not that guy, but I'm currently unbeaten in 8th with my deldar. Even beat a "nurgle" player who took 2 knights and was casting death guard spells on it (ILLEGAL) and taking disgustingly resilient saves on them (EEELEGAL!).

I killed the 1st night turn 2 and the second one turn 4 and tabled him. Typhus died to 10 bloodbrides pouring on the wounds.
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>>54347902
Fuck me.
Those made Medusans actually did it.
>What was wrong the Iron Hands Dreadnought?
Either its an AI, or the Medusans have found a way to download a conciousness.
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>>54347760
>razorbacks
>no drop pods
>no scouts
>carcharodons
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>>54347899
Consider this: In the list I used as an example, my mate ran this:
Two five-man squads of Scourges, both armed with 4 Dark Lances and 1 Blast Pistol
Three Raiders with 1 Dark Lance each
Three Ravagers, 3 Dark Lances each
1 Voidraven Bomber, 2 Dark (Void) Lances
Five squads of Kabalite Trueborn with two Dark Lances and two Blasters in each squad, shooting out of the three Raiders and two Venoms
And that's all I can remember. That's 32 dark lances and 12 blasters, at least. Then there's all the Splinter weaponry on top of that. Unless you're fielding only Boyz or Gaunts, you're going to get fucking murdered. Any list that has more than one vehicle is fucked. All high armour infantry are fucked. You can't even lock the fuckers in combat because until the Trueborn get out of the transports, everything can fly and has at least 14" movement. Dark Eldar are the shootiest army out there except for maybe Guard.
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>>54347760
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>>54347949
>clearly has never played or versed a marine army
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>>54347970
I might actually buy one because of this meme.
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>>54347969
>haha look this is op in my head
>never won a single tournament anywhere
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>>54347969
Compared to the knight list?
It goes first.
It deletes 2 units of scourges, your 3 ravagers and probably cripples the void raven too.
You return fire with whats left, potentially destroy one knight.
then the remaining knights continue to gun you down and then tramples you with 12 S8 -2 d2 attacks each.
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>>54347577
>battlesuits have +1 T
fat chance
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>>54347969
>Two five-man squads of Scourges, both armed with 4 Dark Lances and 1 Blast Pistol

160 points for 5 t3 4+ bodies.
Lol
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>>54348013
The scourges are in reserve, and you'd never catch the transports to trample them. There's also the chance that the DE seize initiative. I think those lists are probably evenly matched.
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Should i swap out the gargoyles and 1 warrior for some shrikes instead?

I'm not entirely convinced on Gargoyles in 8th, whats their purpose that shrikes cant do?
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>>54347949
There is absolutely no reason to bring drop pods in 8e, ever
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>>54347969
>>54348092
>32 dark lances and 12 blasters
Assuming you go first and fire all of these at that knight list this is what happens:
>32 dark lance and 12 blaster shots fired.
>21.3 dark lances and 8 blasters hit.
>10.67 lances and 4 blasters wound wound.
>7.11 lances and 2.67 blasters go through the invulnerable save.
With average wounds of 3.5 and 2 that gives us 24.885 wounds from the lances and 5.34 wounds from the blasters. So one dead and one lightly damaged knight.

Then >>54348013
happens.

You also seem to forget that knights move 12" and then charge.
And severely outgun you, those same knights will deal an average of 41 wounds to a knight list on alpha strike, even more if Girlyman is there to boost their accuracy.
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>>54347902
>What in the name of Russ
What in the fuck is the terrible writing? How did that shit get published? Do they not have an editor? Jesus...
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>>54347961
>>54347961
>>54347961
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>>54347352
Emperor's Children

>Warlord Traits
Sinuous and Beguiling: Enemies must reroll 6+ to hits against him

>Faction Bonus
Always attack first, same as the Daemonettes

>Relic
Lash of Endless Torments: SUser Ap-1 D1
Before attacking, roll a d3 for every 5 model in the targeted unit. This weapons does that many extra attacks.

>Psychic Power
Sensory Overload: Select an enemy unit within 18". Until the end of the turn, you may reroll any 1s to wound against that unit. You may reroll all failed to wounds roll when using Sonic Weapons.
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>>54347352
>Warlord Trait
Didn't Feel Like Coming Into Work Today - Replace the model with d6 orbital lance strikes a turn or better canticles I don't know.
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>>54345583
This is a shop right??
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/16/codex-space-marines-your-first-lookgw-homepage-post-1/
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Primaris Chaplain & Apothecary.
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>>54347197
>well painted
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>>54349191
I fucking hope you can customize that chap in some way or another, otherwise it looks pretty cool
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>>54349191
Those robes on the Chaplain look dope.
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>>54347352
TSons
>Warlord Trait
Warlord may know one extra psychic power
>Faction Bonus
May reroll one of the dice, when you fail a manifestation attempt
>Relic
Astral Grimoire
>Psychic Power
Doombolt

I would also like a stratagem that allows you to fire a magic orbital laser similar to the one the Exalted Sorcerers of 7th ed had.
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