Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>54347961
>Roboute Guilliman
The thing is, in French, "guilis" is a custy word for tickles. So it sounds very silly.
As it does in English.

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>palms weak, knees are sweaty
>theres dark energy in his aura already
>warp spaghetti

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Hunhun wot da zoging zog iz dis boss ?

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>>54348038
looks like som bitz from a mek boss

>>54348026
>top left

oh baby

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>>54348069
iz just 30 skorchas for the Blu guyz boss.
Wot the zog we gonna do wiz dis..

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>>54348093
Oh look another npcfag doing an unboxing, here's what happened the last one.

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>HunHun muh squatlets will be better than Chads forever

>*GW release turbofucker dual wielding 2x Hellblaster pistol rapid fire 2*

>>54348112

But those look like Primaris bits

Alright anons, lets try this again. List a single of each

>Warlord Trait
>Strategem
>Faction Bonus
>Relic
>Psychic Power

you want your faction to get.

Thousand Sons:

>Vengeance of the Eons: Units within 6" of Warlord can use their All is Dust rule even against attacks with Damage characteristic other than 1
>Psychic Dominance: 2CP. Choose a Psyker. That Psyker can immediately try to manifest a Psychic power as if it was a Psychic phase.
>Thousand Sons: Each unit with Psyker keyword gets +1 to their Warp Charge roll. When Psyker suffers a Perils of The Warp, you can choose to remove a Thousand Sons unit within 3" instead.
>Key of the Silver Tower: One Use Heavy D6 S8 -3 3D 180" weapon. Number of shoots roll can be rerolled if users so desires.
>DOOMBOLT. WC7. 18" D3 Mortal Wounds, D6 if unit is Vehicle. If this spell slays a model, it rolls two dice and picks the highest for any Explodes or similar result.

>>54348155
what looks like primaris?
those flamers are tau, no primaris anywhere in sight

Can you guys rate my list?


[b]++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [100 PL, 1846pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Company Commander [3 PL, 39pts]:[/b] Plasma pistol, Power sword

[b]Tank Commander [13 PL, 249pts]:[/b] Lascannon, Multi-meltas
. Command Battle Tank: Battle Cannon

[b]+ Troops +[/b]

[b]Infantry Squad [3 PL, 52pts][/b]
. 7x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

[b]Infantry Squad [3 PL, 52pts][/b]
. 7x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

[b]Infantry Squad [3 PL, 52pts][/b]
. 7x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Guardsman w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

[b]+ Elites +[/b]

[b]Command Squad [3 PL, 51pts][/b]
. Veteran w/ Medi-pack: Medi-pack
. Veteran w/ Regimental Standard: Regimental Standard
. Veteran w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Veteran w/ Vox-caster: Vox-caster

[b]Commissar [2 PL, 31pts]:[/b] Bolt pistol

[b]Master of Ordnance [2 PL, 38pts][/b]

[b]Platoon Commander [2 PL, 20pts]:[/b] Chainsword, Laspistol

[b]+ Heavy Support +[/b]

[b]Basilisks [12 PL, 216pts][/b]
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

[b]Hydras [12 PL, 246pts][/b]
. Hydra: Heavy Bolter
. Hydra: Heavy Bolter

[b]Leman Russ Battle Tanks [22 PL, 428pts][/b]
. Leman Russ Battle Tank: Battle Cannon, Lascannon, Multi-meltas
. Leman Russ Battle Tank: Battle Cannon, Lascannon, Multi-meltas

[b]+ Dedicated Transport +[/b]

[b]Chimera [5 PL, 93pts]:[/b] Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser

[b]Chimera [5 PL, 93pts]:[/b] Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser

[b]Chimera [5 PL, 93pts]:[/b] Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser

[b]Chimera [5 PL, 93pts]:[/b] Heavy Bolter, Multi-laser

[b]++ Total: [100 PL, 1846pts] ++[/b]

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Repostan for feedback

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>>54348197

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How is this not posted yet?

We see Apothecary, Chaplain, multiparts models (love that Inceptors helmets), and more!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/16/codex-space-marines-your-first-lookgw-homepage-post-1/

>7 chapter tactics
>26 strategems
>14 warlord traits

wew

>>54348216
literraly just above

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So after several purchases here and there I'm going to have a dozen of these cool guys in my hands soon.

What are the best ways to use them? My force is looking pretty light on melee at the moment, so that would be an option; alternately I could split them into smaller groups and send them out as flankers to try catch out vehicles and stray characters with blaster and heat lance fire I guess?

If I go for the big 12 bike blob I'm assuming Painbringer is the drug of choice for T5, 2W, +4Sv dethbiking, but are there any other contenders?

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>>54348138
I honestly think they have gone too far with some of these designs.

>dual wielding plasma cannon iron chad with super jetpack

>>54348138
Holy fuck those helmets.

Love em.

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>>54348244
>they shall be my finest warriors
>like clay I shall mould them
>picture is entirely chadmarines and no marinelets

PREORDER THIS WEEKEND!

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Redemptors kill pilots as leviathans.

>>54348241
Super excited for this. Can't wait for CSM codex.

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Y'all niggas seeing this?

>Potentially over 220+ wounds per turn
>1 bio-cannon can kill a warlord

Less wounds that the big titans i guess though, and he's pricey at 1800 points

>>54348241
So I guess once this releases we move on to nothing but Chaos previews.

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>>54348138
The chaplain is a walking orgasm. Hot diddly damn he's sexy.

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>>54348262
I don't really mind it, but then I always view 40k as a vaguely silly place when you start checking into the details. This isn't a bad thing, mind you.

>>54348283
the only problem is that 48" is literraly nothing on a 200"+ apocalypse board.

>>54348275
Told so a few days ago after a chat with my store owner that talked to the writers at Warhammer fest.

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>>54348262
jetpack chads are the best thing.
Until we get the Overlord LoW Primaris Flyer of course

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>>54348270
>landspeeder pilots
>assault marines
>devastators

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>>54348182
Copypasting from previous thread.

Emperor's Children

>Warlord Traits
Sinuous and Beguiling: Enemies must reroll 6+ to hits against him

>Faction Bonus
Always attack first, same as the Daemonettes

>Relic
Lash of Endless Torments: SUser Ap-1 D1
Before attacking, roll a d3 for every 5 model in the targeted unit. This weapons does that many extra attacks.

>Psychic Power
Sensory Overload: Select an enemy unit within 18". Until the end of the turn, you may reroll any 1s to wound against that unit. You may reroll all failed to wounds roll when using Sonic Weapons.

>>54348315
I knew like a week or two ago? Saw it somewhere online, maybe here.

>>54348262

Or perhaps they have not gone far enough.

t. Nemesis Prime

>>54348283
>3.5 average shoots
>2.33 average hits

It sucks if there is not something with a lots of wounds to shoot down. Heck, i think that Magnus has good chance of dropping it down to 2/3s of its wounds before he gets squashed.

>>54348270
uhh except for all those assault marines, and land speeder pilots, and devastators, and the normal marine literally right in the foreground??? fuck dude at least look at the fucking picture before you bitch about it

Still fucking annoying that a Battalion detachment basically requires me to spunk 300 points on 3 squads of Intercessors

There's no way I'll be able to have enough flavour for every unit and still have points left for transports

>>54348335
I forgot to mention Strategems in the last thread. Which is weird, since that cast Psychic power Strategem is definitely my fav.

>niggas try to charge you
>spend 2CP to cast Warptime on yourself
>lmao just walk away from charge

>>54348352
Just get scouts, or regular tacts?

>>54348348
Macro 6, so 6 shots, so average 4 hits. It'll tear superheavies apart, but thats about it.

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>>54348352
why do you want to field troops ? its literraly the worst choice everytime unless its <5 points per model.
heck, even most guard player dont filed troop choice if its not conscript.

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>>54348182
>Warlord Trait
Didn't Feel Like Coming Into Work Today - Replace the model with d6 orbital lance strikes a turn or better canticles I don't know.

>>54348251

I would absolutely not blob them, personally. I'd rather a squad of four or five get overkilled then my one large squad being wiped out from chained wounds and morale.

As for weapons, I dunno. Heat lances seem decent because of their speed, but alot of people don't like HL this edition- they do seem a bit overpriced.

>>54348348
>>54348385


?? its 12 shots theres 2 of them

>>54348385
Oh yeah, i thought that it's D6. But yeah it's brutal against big models, but it does little against small duders.
>>54348400
Alright, i'm actually retarded.

>>54348283
warlord has invulns and will shoot you from 180" away.

>>54348352

Don't field battalion just field two of the other detachments. Same HQ tax, and only lose 1 CP.

>>54348388
A combination of CP/stratagems and fluff?

>>54348400
I was meaning per gun, he thought that it was another shitty d6 shot gun rather than six shot.

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>>54348283
Friendly reminder that shooty knights will still fuck it up.

>>54348273
The bend in this pic makes them look knock-kneed.

>>54348391
Just give me an Alpha Primus and let me kit them out as a literal walking blender.

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>>54348273
>Dark Imperium
>"Maybe I'll make a unit of bolter primarines for fun for my chapter?"
>Reivers
>"Maybe a small unit of 'scout' primarines?"
>Aggressors
>mfw

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>>54348418
>Shooting yourself in the foot so you can have CP and spend them on actually usefull unit
OR
>Only fielding awsome units and still have CP

hmmmm

>>54348298
When will we see the first Konrad Curze Batman conversion with that grappling hook?

>>54348275
That print is for ants anon.

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>>54348138
Does that Chappy have a leather jacket?

>>54348430

Nah m8 knights are shit

>>54348472
Nah, but he has black robes on black armor and it looks bloody glorioud. Of note is the absence of crozius in favour of a pimp cane. Shame, I like the crozius, but it seems very easy to change.

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Does anyone know of a good mini to use for a Sister Famulous? Don't really care if it's GW, just want one to add some visual variety.

>>54348455
Good point anon

>>54348430
tfw 1 lancer knight would btfo all those

>>54348482
>>Nah m8 knights are shit
Nah m8 Chaos knights with two Gatling guns are gold.

>>54348396
Think they're better used for melee or outriding shooty shooty?

>>54348275
Right, so Titan Princeps can handle a massive, far more destructive and powerful Machine Spirit in a Mars-pattern Titan while Marines can't handle a pissy little Dreadnought? Yet more proof of Mechanicus superiority.

>>54348509
You could get two preds and a Daemon Prince to buff them for same amount of points.

>>54348138
Plasma cannons are really powerful only makes sense to duel wield them.

>>54348182
Dark Angels

>The Hunt: All units within 6" of the Warlord or have the DEATHWING keyword may reroll all failled hit rolls against HERETIC ASTARTES
>For the Lion!: 2CP: For the rest of this turn up until the start of your next movement phase all units are treated as having the Unforgiven special rule
>All DARK ANGELS units get +1 leadership if the enemy has any models with the FALLEN keyword. In addition, all units with the DEATHWING keyword reroll all failed hit and wound rolls against FALLEN units and automatically pass all morale tests. All DARK ANGELS models carrying Plasma weapons of any sort may also negate any hit rolls of 1 when overcharging on a 4+
>Relic: Mace of Redemption: Sx3 AP-3 D3. Weapon upgrades to AP-4 D4 if the target has the FALLEN keyword. In addition, if an enemy unit takes any unsaved wounds from this weapon, they may only be activated in close combat after all other eligible units in the next Fight phase have been activated
>We already have Interromancy lol

>>54348521
Titans are piloted by a whole crew.

>>54348529
The knight is T8, has a 5+ inv, has 24 shots, and is more destructive in combat than the daemon prince.

>>54348521
The Princeps are literally slowly taken over and absorbed by their titan and some knights like the Acheron are extremely difficult to remain in control of because of how violent it's machine spirit is.

>>54348521
Marines are half-dead inside already.

>>54348521
Superiority in killing their own dudes

To all taufags in this thread, I got into an argument with the manager at my local gw about whether the riptide has a role it can perform that's worth taking it for during 8th. Was he right or is there no role a riptide can fill that nothing else can for cheaper and better

with the vengeance weapon batteries 'this unit may only target the closest visible enemy' rule, does that mean if the closest enemy is in melee, the gun is effectively inactive?

>>54348605
would that apply to characters too?

>>54348216
>Codex:Space Marines
>primaris marines as poster boys
top kek

>>54348138
That Chaplain is fucking perfect for DAngels. Please have an Interrogator variant please have an Interrogator variant PLEASE have an Interrogator variant...

>>54348605

Yes.

>>54348610

Yes.

Automatic targeting is hugely nerfed this edition. If the closest squad is in melee, and your automatic targeting weapon is not a pistol, he cannot shoot at all. If there is a character with them, not in combat, but half an inch behind the nearest guy in combat, you STILL cannot shoot, and cannot target the character.

It's really dumb how characters are immune to shooting so easily, but that's the way the rules are abstracted in 8E. He is "lost in the confusion".

>>54348619
Or just run it as one.

>>54348605
It implies the closest visible enemy you can shoot.

>>54348643
The rules don't work like that. Until it's FAQ'd, you can't shoot. You can't just say it implies something.

>>54348555
Yeah, that's the point. That's the other case where this kind of thing occurs, and it doesn't even always kill the Princeps. Titans are exponentially more angry than some random Dread and degeneration seems to be similar. Princeps>Marine.

>>54348548

Yeah, there are gun-servitors and Moderati and such, but the Princeps is the one marshalling the Machine Spirit - In Titanicus a a Titan is getting shot to hell and only the Princeps takes the link backlash severely.

>>54348573
True, but so are some Princeps. The Warlord Princeps in Forge of Mars is a distended head with atrophied limbs floating in a tank when outside the Titan, like a Dune Navigator.

>>54348584

How so? They certainly get more use out of having a massive damn Titan stomping around than just another anti-infantry Dreadnought, and unlike all the Marines they can often recover a Princeps from a downed Titan. Hence, superior mental prowess in our only dying because they were channelling a Warlord instead of some two-bit walking tank.

>>54348640
An Interrogator Primaris Chaplain? What would be the stats for that?

What was the name of that group of Historians Guilliman created?

I'm trying to update fluff on my Blood Ravens army.

>>54348660
No, just run it as a regular Interrogator Chaplain.

>>54348638
>If there is a character with them, not in combat, but half an inch behind the nearest guy in combat, you STILL cannot shoot, and cannot target the character.
Wait, if I had an army that was entirely characters and turn one I managed to charge one of them into combat, would everything that was closer to the character in combat only be able to shoot the character in combat?

>>54348138
I really like those alternate faceplates on the flying dudes.

>>54348656
My store plays RAI or RAW, I didn't think I was allowed to but my opponent let me shoot into combat with tarantulas anyway, so idk

>>54348702
They literally FAQ'd this already.

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>tfw Crimson Fists player
>Didn't expect to get anything
>Get a unique relic and warlord trait
ILL TAKE IT

>>54348241
>Previous Chapter Tactics generally focused around specific units and weapons like Salamanders with flamers or Imperial Fists with bolter-armed Tactical Squads, but this time around, they’ll be benefitting every unit and every army build; the strength of the Space Marines is diversity, after all.
Inderesting.

>>54348657
Its the way you said it. They make a dreadnaught that kills the marine inside it. Mechanicus superiority.

Anyway i think you are missing the point its the radiation that kills them. Reread it.

>>54348668
Did he give them a new name or just their old title of Remeberancers back?

>>54348724
>the strength of the Space Marines is diversity

And LGBTQ+ rights.

>>54348660
same as a regular interrogator with an extra wound and attack

or just run it as a regular interrogator. Guess we'll have to wait for Codex DA to ind out if primaris marines have been accepted into the death/raven wing and inner circle

>>54348724
>DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH
We /BLACKED/ now?

>>54348741
IIRC, someone mentioned a new name in a Dark Imperium summary.

>>54348724

> Play as Iron Hands
> Get army wide FNP for everything that isn't a vehicle
> Get army wide IWND for everything that is a vehicle

Shit was awesome. I hope it's the same or something very similar in 8th, because it was a great way to demonstrate the innate linking between man and machine that is a fundamental part of the Iron Hands chapter/successor chapters.

Also it was fun as hell.

>>54348766
We know the Librarians have the DEATHWING keyword and the Unforgiven rule so...
Not sure about anyone else though.

>>54348763
>>54348767
This is a situation where diversity actually IS a strength

>>54348707
which faq is it in?

>>54348715

10 bucks says they'll have Kantor and Sternguard troops

Or would they not give him back that ability since CF got "reinforced" by chads

>>54348771
>fundametal

har har har

>>54348702
I honestly have no idea what GW's RAI is, but I find the RAW stupid but not "there's no way they meant for it to work this way" stupid, so it's good your store has reasonable players.

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>>54348779
That's because Primaris marines are actually infused with superior BLACK SEED. Whiteboy marinelets BTFO

>>54348768
I'm trying to find it for him but I can't. It was something dumb that sounded like their job, like Ordo Historiator or some shit.

>>54348668

Logos Historica Verita

>>54348731
>Burned out by the intensity of the machine's destructive prowess". Sounds like being overwhelmed by the Machine Spirit to me.

Yeah, I guess they did build them that way, but I guess that's because they don't consider all their soldiers precious and irreplaceable snowflakes like the Marines do. The Dunecrawler kills the pilots with radiation, they just glue in another one. Also, the Marines KNOW THIS, and use the Redemptors ANYWAY, which seems like it's worth it then. No more idiotic than dropping single squads of Marines in suicidal precision strikes when you have 1000 tops, anyway. Marine tactics are inherently a tad idiotic sometimes.

>one of our favourites is combining Reivers with High Marshal Helbrecht and Chaplain Grimaldus
Absolutely disgusting.

>>54348815
>they just glue in another one

Probably with super glue, not plastic glue.

Checkmate, plastic gluefags

>>54348792
The most offensive thing in this picture is still the individually based Rippers

>>54348775
ah true, although it's probably quite hard to keep secrets from someone who can read your mind. I can se some of the primaris recruits turning up at The Rock

Primaris >da fuq happened to Caliban?
Azreal > NOTHING! Nothing happened to Caliban it's always been like this, we errrr we just fancied a change of scenery that's all

>>54348792
>black guy playing DARK angels

hueee

>>54348802
>>54348811
Thank you anons.

>>54348815
Marines must have learned from the US military and their idiotic tactics of sending highly skilled, valuable assets into very dangerous missions behind enemy lines.

>>54348783

Now that you can mix-match detachments at will I don't think we'll ever see "may take X as a troops choice" ever again. If you want SG spam they probably just want you to take the elites detachment.

>>54348781
It's in the developer commentary. Besides, you cannot shoot into a combat anyways unless you're shooting pistols or have some rule that specifically allows you to.

>>54348849

US Marine here, we're all idiots. Even the smart ones. You can tell because we signed up for the Marines instead of any other branch, and then signed up for infantry after that.

How do they even recruit titan Princeps, do they go up to the average imperial citizen and ask if they saw Pacific Rim?

>>54348849
Sending one person against many is a very smart move though.

>>54348870
Just find the guy who wants the least amount of trouble and give him a ladder.

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>>54348870
It is.

>>54348878
See the marine can kill many of them but the orks can only kill one of him.

>>54348878
Lore =/= gameplay

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>>54348876

>>54348878
Spot the blu tack

>>54348138
IIII AM IRONCHAAAD!!

>>54348823
Why?

>>54348849
Except the US doesn't have to cover a thousand planets with a thousand men and aren't often dropping said highly valuable assets directly into the middle of the enemy army. Then again, I should stop armchair tacticianing.

Why do the Admech not mass produce Dreadnought pilots. You could probably make a set of augments that turn a healthy Skitarii or something into a suitable Pilot without all the horrific injures. Why do only the Space Marines use them?

>>54348866

I'm actually not sure, but according to Priests of Mars they do some kind of scan for the proper neural architecture (literally one in a million, or rarer) and then... Send the prospective Titan pilot to climb a snowy mountain immediately without the proper gear and possibly die? Might need some work there.

>>54348283
Macro doubles vs titanic key-word so it's max is 440 with the dire bio-cannon, you're never going to roll 12 on 2d6 6 times in a row though, it does roughly 23 wounds to a Warhound on average.
4 hits
(2/3)*(1/2)*14=4.66... strips it's 4++ down to 5++ here, didn't know how esle to account for this, which is the same as its armour after ap-2 so the remaing 3 are going against a save of 5+
3*(2/3)*(2/3)*14=18.66...

>>54348543
its plasma pistol bro.
rapid fire 2 means 8 plama shot at half range AND 8 plasma shot while in close combat

>>54348920
>Why do the Admech not mass produce Dreadnought pilots. You could probably make a set of augments that turn a healthy Skitarii or something into a suitable Pilot without all the horrific injures. Why do only the Space Marines use them?

Probably some ancient treaty or agreement. The AdMech do apparently have some techpriests or skitarii that are augmented to the point that they're basically dreadnoughts, but GW hasn't really represented the military of the AdMech all that much in the grand scheme of things.

>>54348920
Ad Mech do make pilots, they use them for Dunecrawlers and those gimp walkers.

>>54348919
>>54348823
>stack auras
It's not like a secret combo they're letting you in on...

>>54348919
The most Blanche of marine chapters with Roboute's tacticool operators.

>>54348825
Nah, it's her shit-tier dice rolling technique.

Has anyone seen a Necron army do well this edition that doesn't just spam hordes of warriors with ghost arks and crypteks?

>>54348920
Admech and Marines don't see always see eye to eye, it better for the Marines to corpse pilots they can trust, and means the don't need to be dependent on the admech when it comes to replacements

I remember in the 2nd ed Wolves codex there being something about iron priests being in this weird limbo of not being fully trusted by the Swolves or the Admech

>>54348932
literraly any titan has the means to kill any other titan in 1 go

>>54348920
>Why do only the Space Marines use them?
AdMech have things much worse than dreadnoughts however they very rarely need to use them. AdMech in 40k uses only the safest of its technology in comparison to the Great Crusade ear technology.

If they ever actually needed to AdMech could shit on almost any single faction its just that the danger of unleashing these machines might mean the outcome of doing so is worse than just losing the fight.

>>54348920
>cover a thousand planets with a thousand men

They don't. Not all Imperial worlds are in constant danger.

>aren't often dropping said highly valuable assets directly into the middle of the enemy army.

There's special forces operations being carried out all over the world, on hostile ground and away from friendly forces.

>Why do the Admech not mass produce Dreadnought pilots.

Why should they, they got all the rowbutts they need.

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Are these dice useful for new player to mark combat statuses and shit? They look neat but on the other hand I can buy 5 more paints or save money for a box of boyz instead

It took all of my skill fellas, but I finally found a 40k batrep with an actual woman(female) playing the game.

>>54348985
The Galaxy is torn in two with a giant warp rift, a century ago would have been a pretty good time to let those machines loose.

>>54348878
I miss the old White Dwarf.

>>54348989
>They don't. Not all Imperial worlds are in constant danger.

Who's talking about imperial worlds ?

>>54349002
go on

>>54349004
The miss the old articles GW used to have on how to start each army.

>>54349009
So what are those thousand worlds a chapter needs to cover? Because sounds awfully lot like the million marines for the million worlds of the Imperium type of thing.

>>54348998
I use them to mark objective numbers, CP and VP.

>>54348766
death/raven wing members can always undergo the upgrades themselves.

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>>54348966
yes

immortals are good
scarabs are decent and actually block those fallback rules like the knight and bio titan had (they are not INFANTRY)
destroyers reanimating is hilarious
praets are really fun and team up well with a ctan shard (both are fast and FLY)
tomb sentinels are good
tesseract arks are good
gauss pylons instakill knights and cost like 100 less points

>>54348859
Is it the Recruiter that told you you'd get fucked all day and you believed him Devil Dog?

>>54349015

https://youtu.be/tZsBK9RDjpc

>>54349017
I miss GW telling people who to make their own terrain instead of trying to sell it to them

>>54348920
You're misunderstanding space marine technology like dreads and land raiders; they aren't just tanks mass produced in factories, they're literally religious vessels of the emperor's will, each one a temple and relic itself they aren't built on an assembly line anymore. That's why dreadnought sarcophagus armour is so sacred to marines and only near death veterans are allowed to pilot them so their spirit and will can meld with the machine and continue to serve the emperor until the bitter end.

They can't just throw fucking anyone in them, it doesn't work that way.

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Gargoyles or shrikes?

also critique plz

>>54349059
I tried watching this, as a GK player the rules butchering was just too much for me.

>>54349047
Sure but I'm specifically interested in how much the DA do or do not trust them. More a question of how they'll deal with grey shields rather than whether they'll have primaris inner circle members

>>54349068
I've always found it better to upgrade warrior spitters to venom cannons for the extra 1pt. I would also suggest a prime and two more warriors over the tyrant.

What models are in your collection?

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>>54348283
and the warhound can make 360 wounds at TWICE the range AND is cheaper

thats why looking at 100% perfect roll on your part and all failed invuls is stupid.

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So how do you deal with Necrons this edition?

The revive mechanic seems pretty insane, especially when their base units are strong already to begin with. Add in the tank that has the ability to ignore Anti-armor, and you've got a stew cookin'.

>>54348026
what's the mini on the left?

>>54349111
they botom tier.
Master of none is shit in 8th.
Go cheap horde or Killy stuff.
Not "Relatively expensive basic teooper that is good against a wode variety of things but OP against nothing"

>>54349098
I've got 6 warriors, so i could go 3 shrike, 3 warrior

I dont really want to do the prime since the idea was to pop the warriors up with the trygon behind the lines where they can cause some damage, having a prime seems a bit moot since he's unlikely to give the bonuses to the warriors

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How's my list ?

>>54348859
SFMF

>>54349111
Focus on one unit at a time. They can't reanimate if their unit is wiped off the board.

>>54348241

Reading this makes me really sad, because it sounds to me like they didn't do it like they did the new dwarves, with the ability to make your own chapter tactics from a table of options, and I was really hoping for that. Worst part is, is that if marines don't get that no one will. It looks like my dream of supercustomizable armies of my dudes may be down the toilet.

>>54348251
>>54348251

I honestly can't find a place for them in my army at the moment, which upsets me as I've got 15 of them fully painted and converted.

180 points gets you;
10 Hellions, 1 stun claw and phantasm launcher
Or
5 reavers, 1 heat Lance 1 grav talon

Melee
Hellions give you 20 × s4 attacks doing 2 damage each with 2 of the attacks potentially generating extra mortal wounds

Reavers give 11 × s3 attacks and 1 mortal wound on the charge on a 4+

Shooting
Hellions give 20 poison shots

Reavers give 4 (8) poison shots and a single heat lance shot.

Wounds
Both give 10 wounds, reavers are obviously tougher even without drugs.

There's 2" difference in movement, but Hellions can fall back after doing damage, shoot off more poison and charge again.

If someone can clue me up as to why you'd take reavers over them I'd be eternally greatful.

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>>54349113
scratchbuild. i dont know the original model.

>>54349188
cool minis anyway

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How viable is turtling this edition ? Getting bunkers, artillery, etc and just waiting for the opponent to come to you while bikes grab objectives and shit.

>>54348138
is that a CHADlain with a pimp cane?

femmaris confirmed

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>>54347961
>iFunny watermark

Can someone make a 'can I copy your homework, yeah but just change it a little' meme for this and the centurions

>tfw want to play Death Guard
>tfw they're flavour of the month

Looks like I just have to outlast the bandwagon hoppers.

>>54349175
depends.
each chapter tactic may be only a single ability. So the customization comes from which trait you pick.

>>54349111
Apart from just ignoring it till the end because they're are a lot of other things in the army that are easier to kill and do more damage I have no idea how to deal with the tanks. You want to be focusing down units of warriors so the advice of "just shoot it with d1 small arms" seems more theory than sonmething you can impliment. That said, ignoring the arks and just taking out squads and then racking up all the objectives you can seems to do alright.

>>54349204
I didn't realize. I literally just brought centurions. I hope they are at least slightly cheaper..

>>54348741
Remeberancers were faggy artists, not Historians/Archaeologists.

>>54349199
Kapitan Ivanka Kurganova.

>>54348216
its funny how quickly the dark imperium weapon loadouts become obsolete

just like the index

>>54348093
Heyy, what are you gonna use these for?

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What are the chances DG get new Deathshroud termies too?

>>54349204
my thoughts exactly
they're just Centurions 2: Beergut Boogaloo

>>54348093
You know just because you use ork speech doesn't make a post by post thing any less cringey
Also why the fuck are you appropriating my Tau culture, use IG flamers you mong

>>54349200

Personally I'd just sit away from something like that killing off bikes til last turn and then steal objectives if it were eternal war, but i play dark eldar.

>>54349235
Are you fucking retarded, Anon
have you not been paying attention to the threads or GW's outlets for the last couple of years?
Do you need instructions on how to breathe etc. as well?

>>54349235
Basically 100%

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>>54349188
>Literally a blight grenade for a head

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>>54349235
DG terminators are already confirmed. We'll see if they have the Scythe option.

>>54348216
>no new devastators
>masters of the chaplain as statues
Me gusta

>>54349232
probavly 3flamers suit spam

>>54349235
New Termis are confirmed, not Death Shroud though.

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>>54347961
is it worth creating an inquistion army to go along with my grey knights?

>>54349261
Different anon here, but when were they confirmed?

>>54348598
I fought against a Riptide yesterday and it did nothing. Killed like two Primaris Marines then my Onager ended it. The Tau player agrees, it's pure shit

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>>54348244
Not amazing but is workable

>>54349204
>>54349216
>>54349243

No they aren't. Similar role, but they look more like missile terminators.

>>54349260
looks like a severed head from some old fantasy/40k ork kits

But when will we see the Intercessor box?

>>54349280
Exept MPP gives them Melta and plasma on backpack.
2+ svg Primaris termies are already confirmed and comming

>>54349273
are you blind? do you see the pic he posted at all

>>54348598

I ignored my last tau opponents riptide, it killed a few kabalites and did 5 mortal wounds to itself

>>54349225
Thanks a lot

Quick question, what's the better shooting option for Orks, lootas or flash gits?

>>54349273
Goddammit dude, I posted the pic in that exact same post. It's from the Deathguard preview video from months ago.

>>54349061
I miss when GW told you how to make your own models, instead of trying to sell them to you

like the cardboard baneblade in white dwarf

IM SWITCHING TO PRIMARIS.
FITE ME.

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>>54349184
I think they're a bit overpriced pointswise, but they have a couple of things in their favour compared to Hellions:

Two inches extra movement and guaranteed 8inch advance they're going to have an edge in reach objectives and the like

2W 5T (assuming painbringer) +4 save is pretty good by DE standards, and they suffer from attrition less than the Hellions thanks to being multiwound units. They're definitely better able to shrug off small arms fire.

Heat lance/Blaster gives them a niche in putting some hurt onto wounded vehicles and characters

Also,
>Reavers give 11 × s3 attacks and 1 mortal wound on the charge on a 4+

Reavers would be using Bladevanes in close combat, so S4 -1Ap, which I think is a little better than Hellglaives overall, though they're pretty close and Hellglaives will definitely pull ahead in some scenarios.

I still think they could use with a price drop though.

>>54349273
Months ago.

>>54348205
a bit low on bodies but otherwise okay. I'd rather have a single Termie squad though which i can combat squad, for potentially one less drop during deployment. also plasmagun seems to be better than meltagun this edition.

>>54349280
When will the Gravis = Terminators meme die?

>>54349266
The DG starter booklet mentions Deathshroud explicitly and the community page said the new weapon, the Blight Launcher, is used by Plague Marines and Deathshroud, so what are the chances the new fuckers will not be Deathshroud?

>>54349322
Nothing wrong with that, I think they look nice.

>>54349319
That thing is a deathshroud terminator?

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>>54348275

Cawl had to cut a few corners to make it mass producible, but it was all worth it for a leviathan sized dread that can't outperform a Contemptor and doesn't so much have "life support" as "interface wires and a food tube".

>>54349346
Yes.

>>54348825
Can you do that?
What I find annoying is how they're squatting

>>54349349
You haven't seen the weapons yet, Anon.

>>54349341
Grave Wardens are the ones those are based off, not Deathshroud.

>>54349366

Yes I have, they were in the livestream on Friday.

>>54349346
It's a Deathguard terminator. As I said, we still have to see if they are going to have the scythe options, but DG terminators are confirmed.

Do all my chaos marines have to be marked or can I just run them as renegades, as my store doesn't let me play 30k
>>54349280
ITS A MEME and it's 40k noblebright, stop taking everything so seriously

>>54349328

I completely forgot the blade vanes, you're right! Still I don't see the need for the toughness as deldar. Last game my hellions charged a tau firing line of 3 fire warrior squads and 2 pathfinder squads and only took 2 casualties, flying over them to lock on 2 other squads and fighting with them/forcing 1 squad to fall back. Come the end of the game 1 man was still alive and flew off to grab an objective. I would tend to give my hellions +1 attack anyway so 30 attacks at full strength, if I didn't have bloodbrides I'd give them +1 strength so they strength 5 which is amazing.

I just feel the hellions are fast enough anyway to grab objectives and the way capturing them works (based on model numbers) the bigger hellion squad works better for that too if you have to contest.

>>54349380
Yay volkite and grav vs graviton again

>>54348244
in my headcanon they slow down by firing their bolters into the ground

>>54348825
> Single rippers
> the dice rolling
> why is the table so high
> forced diversity

>>54349360
>>54349380
My apologies, I didn't know that was a deathguard terminator.

>>54349412
>forced diversity
But anon all nid players are girls, or guys with badragons

>>54349315
Lootas for big shit
Flash Gitz for heavy infantry

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the new edition feels a bit like 1st ed bolt action and saga together any one understand what i mean?

>>54349277
do you know what loadout it had?
gatling gun or cannon and missiles or fusion or plasma and any/which support systems?
>>54349308
Same question as guy above me, what was it kitted out with?

>>54348657
>Yeah, there are gun-servitors and Moderati and such, but the Princeps is the one marshalling the Machine Spirit - In Titanicus a a Titan is getting shot to hell and only the Princeps takes the link backlash severely.

STOP PRINCEPS-KUN! YOUR SYNCHRONIZATION RATE IS TOO HIGH! YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BECOME HUMAN AGAIN!

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>DG Termies 4+ invul with disgustingly resilient

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>>54349383
>Still I don't see the need for the toughness as deldar

I'm going to experiment with using them as a tarpit of sorts, but I'm not convinced how well it'll work.

But yeah, I think the Hellions are overall better value for points. Perhaps the Codex will balance them out a little better. I'll still probably use them just because I like their look more than the Hellions.

>>54348298
Kind of pleased they're going with 10 in a box, had been expecting them to go with 5 for some silly price. Hopefully intercessors will be sold as a 10 as well.

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>>54348463
Paint the rope flesh coloured.
Unbilical chord grappling hook.

>>54349381
Nobledark, Anon.

>>54349450
I hope they get to use those grenade launchers, so I can mix my 30k Grave Wardens and regular Cataphractii in 40k.

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>>54349322
Buying marinelets after primaris announcement would literraly put you in the "Irrational Consumer" in any decent Finance Master.
Such a waste of Value

>>54349212

We'll see, but as far as i'm concerned any hopes i had for this edition being the edition of my dudes has just died.

So im trying to decide on an army to pick and ive been reading alot of the lore. So far these are my thoughts

>Imperial Guard are cool
>Magnus did nothing wrong
>Chaos are gaylords (thousand sons are cool tho)
>Blood Angels and Salamanders are cool
>T'au seem like cool guys
>orkz just want to have fun
>Necrons seem badass
>Tyranids are bugs that need to be squashed
>gaydar

So far for army choices im leaning towards

>Blood Angels
>Salamanders
>Thousand Sons
>T'au
>Necrons
>Orkz

Any personal thoughts on these factions that might change how i see them?

>>54349472
Plague marines have them, so I doubt DG temies won't.

>>54349499
Just play badass Tempestus Scion Sam Fisher already

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This is basically a Fabius bile model. You just need to swap the pistol, head and backpack out.

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>>54349499

>>54349371
Sure, but that didn't stop the community site to refer to Deathshrouds in that context. Make of that what you will.

>>54349499
Of the ones you've listed Tau are probably the most erratic in terms of fluff and portrayal depending on what era you're reading from. Thousand Sons to a degree as well.

>>54349484
its to soon to call that.

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>>54349499
Iron Warriors or Decimation.

>>54349499

Tau rules are kinda a mess right now. I don't mean they're low tier, I mean the internal balance within the faction is all over the place and it's really hard to build an army that does what you want it to.

I've just been playing my (not shitty primaris) marines for now, prolly gonna ignore tau until they get a codex.

>>54349530
>They were one of the nine legions which betrayed the Emp-

into the trash they go

>>54349511
>implying Fabius isn't that special character and is faking being a loyalist just to get at Cawland the primaris marine project

>>54349511
That weapon looks less like a Crozius and more like a pimp cane
>Honoured Chaplain, will you join us in battle?
>'Do I LOOK like the kind of man who gets his hands dirty? I got you bitches for that. Now get in there and reroll those hits.'

>>54349526

Based on what they've said it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that we will not be getting the variety and customization exhibited in the sky dwarves, which i was really hoping for. At this point it looks like it will end up basically the same as seventh. You'll have about 5 chapter tactics and then bit more than half a dozen warlord trait to choose from. Very limited options. Ultimately pigeonholed into a few set options. I know it was unreasonable of me to hope that gw would be better than that, but it still hurts to see my hopes dashed and since i just read i haven't had time to get over the disappointment of how shit it's probably gonna be yet.

>>54349558
kek

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Can someone please take the time to help me polish this turd

2k 5CP
Supreme Command Detachment
Yvraine
Warlock Skyrunner, singing spear
Warlock

Vanguard Detachment: Ynnari
_
Autarch Skyrunner, x2 avenger shuriken catapults
Yncarne
_
x5 Wyches, agonizer, hydra gauntlet
Venom
x5 Wyches, agonizer, hydra gauntlet
Venom
_
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
x10 Shadow Spectres, exarch
_
x10 Scourges
x10 Scourges

Scourges screen for the spectres that get -2 to hit with conceal who also get buffed to hell by yvraine and autarch

>>54348138
as with the captain/lib the Heroes look good, but nothing can really save the jumpers or heavy dudes for me.

>>54349572
Fuck off elf.

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>>54349499
>Necrons
>Badass

>>54349511
Primaris Apothecary's backpack should do the trick.

>>54349545
>And yet he likes Magnus

Hmmm.

>>54349572

Why the footslogging warlock?
Why the second autarch?
Why 10 strong scourges units instead of 5 strong ones?

>>54349583
There is literally nothing wrong with being an Elf.

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>>54349499
Dont disappoint him Anon.

Calling it now: Cawls extra enhancements can be done to a normal human too, though still not the base marine enhancements. That's how we'll get Primaris Sisters of Battle.

>>54349566
there's 7 chapter tactics, 14 warlord traits and 26 stratagems to pick from.

There's still potential for lots of customization.

>>54349603
>Magnus
>one who did betraying

Remind that if not for Janus, Imperium would have already fallen to Chaos.

>>54348138

Fucking trying to make me buy marines again with them sexy special characters. Damn them.

>>54349620
that actually sounds pretty cool.

>>54349627
Anon, he still betrayed the Emperor.

He disobeyed orders to quit it with the sorcery, he disobeyed the Emperor against fucking around with webways, he fought at the battle of Terra, he let most of his sons die and only once that happened he stopped sobbing long enough to get the survivors out.

>>54349624

Ain't stratagems essentially just things to spend a few cp on? You know, a reroll or letting a unit infiltrate or something?

Does anyone have that Chadmarine meme image with the big bud light logo on him and everything?
I need it in my life.

>>54349620
I'll take anything to get plastic Sisters.

>>54349620

Fuck no. We don't need new lore. We just need new models.

>>54349620
You won't be getting Primaris Sisters of Battle.

>>54349499
Anything but BA, if you really want to play them wait for their codex, or aquire marines that can be used for both BA and salamanders

>>54349542
Objectively false. WAAC fags selling riptides is not an indication of being low teir.
Building a tau force has never been easier, only downside is crisis suits have to come in teams of 3 and the shield drone nerf (again, blame WAAC fags who can't into basic tactics of SHOOTING THE DRONES FIRST)

>>54349652
some also change your army.
its already been revealed that you can upgrade a captain into a chapter master with CP before deployment (instead of having a seperate chapter master choice I think)

>>54349499
The 15th Legion calls to you.

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>>54349511

>8th looks good, maybe I should start 40k (again)
>still no plastic sisters
>well, no suprise, let's look at second choice Space Wolves
>primaris look cool, but I don't need them, right?
>new death guard are as tall as primaris
>wat

So I'm on the verge of splashing down enough money for a marine army, but this is really putting me off. What if future models are all larger than before? If I buy old models now it will look ridiculous and I would feel like I wasted money. If I buy new models only I don't get Björn and all the fun SW stuff (well, not really). If I wait I can't play now and I'm really getting the hobby urge.

Curse you, GW!

>>54349679
>already been revealed that you can upgrade a captain into a chapter master with CP before deployment (instead of having a seperate chapter master choice I think)
That's a pretty stupid way of doing things.

>>54349691
DEEEEEEATH COOOOOOMES

>>54349694
Consider it a good reason to start an NPC army, they're probably pretty safe from the scale issues Marines have ahead

>>54349572
You haven't told us what the scourges are equipped with, just carbines?

Why is everything footslogging?

>>54349670

>Objectively false. WAAC fags selling riptides is not an indication of being low teir.

Moron, I specifically called out that tier isn't a concern. I don't mind playing a low tier army if their internal balance is good and everthing has a clear role, the army and listbuilding slot together cleanly.

Tau are awkward as shit right now.

>>54349608
The warlock is there to fill the slot for supreme detachment honestly but a skyrunner Farseer would be the HQ I would swap him with
There's only one autarch as far as I know
I assumed as a screen you would want scourge a bit more survivable, also due to the fact that the're pretty cheap for having really good guns it wouldn't hurt to fill out the squads.
What would you change? I'm still not 100% sold on the wyches in venom

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>>54349188
>the sniper on the left

>>54349679

Well that sounds kinda promising. Not the chapter master thing persee, but if stratagems are kind of a way to shake things up almost like chapter tactics then that could be pretty good.

>>54349717
Sorry, yes they're equipped with carbines. The prism rifles mitigate the need for blasters for them right?
Just about everything is jump infantry with 12" move, those that aren't are either on bikes, on raiders or just there to fill a slot. Now that you mention it I don't have a transport for Yrvaine. Does she fit best in a raider? Waveserpent?

>>54349635

It does, right?

What we know of primaris augments so far is that it involves metal coiled through the muscles, an adrenaline enhancer and an unknown for now third augment... Probably something to do with their extra height over normal marines.

So if that were human compatible you could have 6 and a half foot sisters with metal muscles and pumped up adrenal glands.

>>54349743

Personally i'm just not into that. I like my girls as is. If it happens i'll probably just ignore it and head cannon mine as an order that doesn't have any of that shit.

>>54349743
>if that were human compatible
it's not, they work alongside the existing marine augmentations

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Thoughts on my WIP B E L L B O Y E?

Ideas for improving metal with a highlight or wash?

Ideas for tabard colour?

>>54349620

I'd honestly see them play up the faith stuff. Some SOB with more in the way of robes and much stronger faith powers. Calling down divine fire from the heavens, healing wounds with a touch etc.

>>54349763
The B E L L E looks good, may want another coat of nuln oil/agrax on the face tho. For highlighting liberator gold with sharp highlight of stormhost silver is pretty gud

>>54349763
Nihilakh Oxide is your friend. Also please highlight your shit. The Plague Marines you posted a couple of days ago looked flat as fuck.

>>54349204
Did they get feedback from the angry marines when designing these new suites?

>>54349763
Do it like leather.

>>54349772

Well the faith healing we already have now sort of what with the healing act of faith and all. It would be kind of interesting to get our own psycher equivalent units that worked on pure faith in the emperor though.

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>>54349782
I did some highlights, final product.

>>54349572

Drop the wyches and take 20 corsair skyreavers with shard carbines in 5 man squads at 70 points a squad.

Split the scourges into 5 man squads, try to get 2 of the squads with special weapons (you can never have too many)

Get the warlock a bike

Yvraine should go in the cheapest possible transport, shared with the autarch and warlock if you can't get him a bike.

Move the small 5 men squads around in pairs to trigger Soulbursts.

You could even give the scourges dark lances and sit them in a building as static ravagers with 3+ 6++ instead of ravagers

>>54349753
If they did add Primaris Sisters (and I would be surprised if they did to be honest) I'm assuming it'll be like the Marines and their non-Stacy equivalents will still be around.

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>>54349743

The text in this preview is terrible, but yeah the third new organ is a biggeriser.

Weirdly they've fluffed it as being half of an organ Primarchs have that makes them Primarchs instead of marines.

>>54349794
They look much better. Do you enjoy painting or do you prefer to put out battle-ready stuff?

>>54349798
Wow thanks alot, I'll get back to you with a list

>>54349721

Me and my mate sat down and I helped him build some tau lists, the best I could come up with was double ghost keel and stealth squads with shadowsun infiltrating and rushing homing beacons to drop in some big crisis squads and farsight charging off the bat turn 1 to shop something up. With aun'va at the back providing fnp and rerolls to the back line

>>54349817
I enjoy painting, not even had a full game yet.

I'm still a beginner though, started with DI box.

>>54349619
>>54349690

i think you are right

>>54349815
>Weirdly they've fluffed it as being half of an organ Primarchs have that makes them Primarchs instead of marines
What the actual fuck? This fluff is shit.

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>>54349835
Good choice.

>>54349062
Every single tank and plane and whatever is holy to the Mechanicus, they're all expressions of the Omnissiah's will and utterly expendable anyway. And Land Raiders explicitly ARE turned out on assembly line factories, there was a Forge World called Anvilus that made enough of them for every Marine, a good part of the Mechanicum and the elite of the Imperial Army. The quantity of ordnance one million Marines require is miniscule on a planetary scale, don't act like your Power Armour is made of solid gold-pressed antimatter or something.

Also, I know you're just talking lore and probably didn't mean it, but it's odd how much that paragraph reads like those massive weebs with their "Japanese philosophies are on a whole other level, you wouldn't understand" nonsense.

>>54349827

No worries man, thinking about it I'd leave yvraine at the back with 2 squads of dark Lance scourges, 4 shots each with her soulbursting one of them gives you 12 dark Lance shots a turn, equal to 4 ravagers.

What do you think of my WIP Primaris marine? Everything has been neatened up and inked but i dont have a pic.

>>54349870
10/10 anon. Paint recipe?

>>54349840
its the same as the old fluff about the regular implants being based on the primarchs enhancements.

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>>54349835
Now go murder some dogs

>>54349840

It's pretty dumb given how excessively strong they've made Primarchs. A Primarch is an order of magnitude above a Custodes, who is an order of magnitude above a marine, who is an order of magnitude above a human.

But apparently if you give someone half a Primarch gland then wolverine their muscles they end up still lower than a Custodes.

>>54348182
Saim Hann

>Units within 6" of the Warlord may fall back and charge in the same turn
>Idgaf
>Fucking Windriders as troops so I don't have to just run outrider detachments. I don't own any eldar troops choices as it stands
>I always though Mind War was pretty fluffy

>>54349870
Pretty good

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>>54349871
Be gentle i am retarded.

>>54349867
That sounds disgusting

>>54349879
>who is an order of magnitude above a marine
no.

>>54349840
>Takes anons poorly retold greentext as face value
I think you need to loosen the straps on your retard helmet buddy. Seems youre not getting enough blood flow through to your brain.

>>54349261
So, how will Death Guard termies work when they arent in the DG army list? Is this just one of those "wait for the codex" issues?

>>54349881
given that we have the outrider/spearhead/vanguard detatchments it seems a safe bet that moving units to troops is gone for good.

>>54349879
>Cuckstodes better than marines

Nice try faggot. he just looted better stuff.

>>54349188
>That un-even fap arms on the female commissar

What was wrong with the normal arms ?

>>54349879
Cuckstodes train not even half what maribes train.
8 Cuckstodes got btfo by 5 Harlequins