Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>Popular myth states that the Orkish printing press was developed by a mad Mek trying to produce a mega-gatler that ran on paper and used ink as a coolant. Indeed, many are primarily employed in this manner, but occasionally enterprising grots are known to borrow them to try and make a few teef on the side.

The better question is why did all the FAQs basically amount of typo corrections when there was apparently so much "playtesting" done by the tourney crowd?

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I want a plane to give my Admech some glorious medium fire support.

I had the idea of using greenstuff, the Sector Mechanicus parts and a whole bunch of misc. spares to make a Marauder Destroyer counts-as based on the Guns of Icarus Mobula, with all the turrets and such and probably a couple weapon servitors.

Thoughts and/or ideas? I'm new to kitbashing on this scale, honestly.

>>54286012
Beside marines, tau and Eldar, there was zero play testing

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So I made a kinda Fluffy list for my Custom Inquisitor I made. rate?

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dubs picks what chapter I paint my mega-Manlet Deathwatch Chaplain as.

>>54286012
>write down ruleset
>tourneyfags bitch and moan
>change whole game
>tourneyfags keep bitching and moaning
>change whole game again, deadline coming close
>tourneyfags bitch AGAIN
>throw out one last edit days before the stuff needs to be printed
>fuck it keep the typos in

>>54286051
A C O L Y T E S

>>54286021
Start with the stand. Make sure it's balanced around the anchoring point.

I play Ultrasmurfs and Tau.

Do you know any better armies?

>>54286058
Legion of the Damned

>>54286072
Why even bother if it's 1 wound models?

>>54286075

You got the good guy protagonist armies down

>>54286058

Angry Marines

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>>54286075
low tier bait

>>54286084
>tau
>protagonists

>>54286074
Ah, yeah. It was going to be based around some of those semicircular Sector Mech walkways, so I can balance the stand with relation to that. Problem is how to get a proper airship balloon going on, I was thinking greenstuff but that would be easily damaged unless it was literally solid.

>>54286039
Considering the shield drone changes, I say otherwise.
It's a knee jerk reaction when you can just shoot the drone instead with literally anything.

>>54286071
Well, that's what GW gets for working with insufferable faggots

>>54286082
>muh storm bolter
10 points or 1 PL for single Guardsmen leader with a storm bolter and maybe a re-roll is a shit

>>54286058
The Hanged

>>54286058
T'au sept. By which I mean Salamanders.

>>54286058

Farsight Enclaves

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Im enjoying he tacticool taped mags on the Death Guard, but I feel it's more of a Primaris or Sternguard thing.

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My thoughts for this list were simple, I would like some feedback/suggestions.

>Grand Master Voldus
Time to dominate the Psychic phase and reroll those hits.

>Interceptor Squad
Their one off teleport to get where I need to be and to distract people from the real threat.

>Venerable Dreadnought
Mobile weapons platform that when parked next to my Grand Master Voldus dish out some serious firepower. They also become Psykers for even more fun.

>Paladin Squad
The big boys waiting in the chamber to slam down on the right target.

You can now have Commissar Fuklaw hang out with the Angry Marines. Just make an Imperium list with a Commissar as your hq choice.

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>>54286141
>Implying loyalist marines would ever lower themselves to such barbaric practices
>Rather than bitch-slapping the techmarine and telling him to give them one of those fuckhueg magazine drums

>>54286058
DA

>>54286058
Auric Patricians

>>54286113
>Well, that's what GW gets for working with insufferable faggots
I actually liked their approach.
>Hello, dear tourneyfags. Take a look at these rules. Now break it as hard as you can.
And then they decided what to toss out.

>>54286012
The best question is why idiots think just because 8E isn't 100% flawless that there was no playtesting or less playtesting done than the other editions, when we've seen copious amounts of evidence that the game actually WAS playtested, and extensively, going so far as to bring in unpaid third party playtesters, compared to previous editions which weren't even playtested at all besides some faggot at GW smashing 5 Riptides against 6 Carnifexes.

>>54286058
rainbow marines

( Dressed up as an Aztec)

>>54286058
Pretty Marines

>>54286146
Looks fun. Would play with and against.

>>54286189
That still doesn't explain the amount of third grade typos on a supposedly luxury product.

>>54286141

They're not even tactical, they're doing it because they're too ghetto to have drum mags. They also have a phobos bolter that is literally so broken they had to take a block of wood and tie it to the bolter casing because they couldn't repair the actual grip.

>>54286207
All printed products are luxury products. You don't need books to survive.

And no, the FAQs aren't "all typo fixes" you hyperbolic faglord, there's stupid ass FAQs for morons like you, like "does within 1" count 1" too?" "yes."

>>54286012
I don't actually believe that any of the tourneyfags that claim they were deeply involved in the design process of 8th edition actually did anything at all.

I think the extent of their "playtesting" was them getting to play early versions of the dark imperium boxed set with exactly the rules and units provided in that box and nothing else.

>>54286237
Probably because you don't know shit. They even said they brought up "less models always go first" and "flamers can hit flyers" to the GW devs and GW just ignored them. People still treat niggers like shit, I guess according to your logic the civil rights movement never happened then?

>>54286207
Proofreading =/= playtesting.

Also, you aren't forced to do anything with the feedback you get from playtesters. It is usually a good idea to take it into consideration yes, but you should never follow it to the letter.

>>54286058
Home brew symbol, but you have to use pink and purple as colours.

>>54286224
Index 2 the one I bought was basically typos and missing stuff fixing.

So yes it is shit

>>54286115
>>54286115
I assume you meant to respond to the guy who suggested acolytes? Because I think they are shit garbage.

>>54286237
>playtesters talk about orks, MT, and other non-Dark Imperium armies before 8E's release
>THEY JUST PLAYED THE STARTER SET

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I need some criticism on my tau sept, the kai'jun.
It's a world on the north of the Empire, planet is one mega continent and a world ocean with most of the landmass being desert. A big chunk is swamp though.
Think of it kind of like late permian earth.
It has a sizeable human population and it has a standing garrison to protect the mines that excavate the materials needed to make those lovely batttlesuits.
Most reliable crop is ork, their population is kept in special pens and harvested before they can amass the numbers needed to start making trouble.
Colors are bright red shining lenses and metallic green armor, everyone in the planet is united in their love of booze.

>>54286207
Considering how fucking rushed this is, they're actually pretty decent with the amount of typos.

If you haven't read any self-published novels yet, they you haven't seen the true malice of typos yet.

>>54286256
>So yes it is shit

Did I ever say it wasn't? This is exactly what I'm talking about: you're all fucking morons who are just as shit as the shit you're complaining about. You DESERVE this level of shit.

>>54286273
>they you haven't

:^)

>>54286255
Fuck you very much buddy.

give me 24 hours.

>>54286271
Fine up to the ork bit. Why are they being "harvested"? If you can get them into pens, you can exterminate the gits.

>GW gives the fastest, and largest amount of FAQs in the history of the game
>"pffft most playtested edition ever look how many FAQs it needs"
>fails to realize the large amount of FAQs shows actual playtesting and giving a shit, instead of just not releasing any FAQs and telling people to "roll a D3" for glaring game issues

>>54286282
I was talking about typos in particular, let alone rules missing that need almost and entire FAQ to add them to the book

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>>54286271

>>54286237
GW is generally super restrictive about information and really strict with things like NDAs. So they probably gave out very limited playtesting materials and forced everyone involved to never say anything about what was involved in the playtest.

And of course every random blogging shit stain is going to massively overstate their involvement and they can do that because everyone is prohibited from disproving them because NDA.

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>>54286321
Not to mention that Ork spores will spread to outside the pen, and before you know it you're overrun by feral orks.
There's a good reason even the Eldar at the height of their power could not eradicate or control the Orks.

>>54286339
Look how typo-ridden and grammatically incorrect your own post is.

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I plan to make an Apothecary on bike. Any suggestions on how to kit him out?
His job will be to heal and revive comrades, so I think no weapons to keep cost low? Or is there reason to give better weapons?
He will be near a chaplain and a captain with a Thunderhammer.

>>54286259
To both actually.
W3 good choice even rather broken for just 8 points
W1, why bother? Just grab Scion like you did

It is like Shadow war, have multiple wounding weapons. Almost everyone is 1w even special and leaders.

>>54286328
Leave it be. They'll never be satisfied with anything at all and don't even play, as anyone who plays will tell you that 90% of the """fixes""" in the FAQ were just retard-proofing perfectly valid rules.

>>54286374
>Medic on a bike
>Operate on the move

repostan from last ded thread
>people actually discussing daemons
pls r8 and h8
planning on making a changeling chaos swastika in the middle of the table to prevent character shooting till they can get into combat. Room for more screamers or flamers if there is a lot of vehicles/infantry/flyers as needed, otherwise just replacing horrors

Chaos Daemons of Tzeentch - 1500 pts (1232 pts + 268 reserved)
--
HQ
378 -- 2x Daemon Prince of Tzeentch w/ wings, talons, bolter
355 -- Lord of Change w/ sword
100 -- The Changeling
--
Troop
87 -- 3x (7 brimstone + 3 blue horrors)
135 -- 1x (10 pink horrors w/ instrument, icon)
--
Fast Attack
93 -- 3 Screamers
--
Elite
84 -- 3 Flamers
--
Total 1232 pts

thoughts?

>>54284960
This is official pic, right? If Blood Ravens have access to primaris marines, it means this faggot Belisarius KNOWS who the fuck their primarch is. And if he knows, why the hell wouldn't he tell them? Holy Terra, just ask them or dreadnought Thule, since he knows from Kronus. No more mystery. Discuss.

>>54286366
Not paid for writing badly in china image board.

>>54286211
I love the chunks of wood. It's a callback to the 2nd edition Plague Marines.

>>54286255
>>54286300
This is going to be fantastic.

>>54286293
You must be a real joy to have around at parties.

Oh wait, never mind.

>>54286012
guy from my LGS did some playtesting at the big tournament. so I can tell you for sure it happened.
he says they got a sort of bare bones datasheet per unit (they played army lists made by GW), not what was printed in the indexes. So probably the playtesters never saw any typos to complain about.

>>54286395

I think its implied that the chapter master and his very close retinue always knew who their primarch was after Kronus, they just sealed it away and swore never to reveal that its Magnus

>>54286321
For food anon. It's not much that can grow in that planet and fish is also an export.
And the spores aren't getting out, filtered domes and everything.
Granted there are still some feral orks here and there, but they're savages with no guns that serve as practice for the fire warriors and local militias.

>>54286396
And thank the stars for it, because if you were paid for writing like that, you would need to be fired along with the guy who hired you.

>>54286112
Make actual balloons. Insert into the frame. Then wrap them in paper mache.

Resulting shape is both canvas textured, rigid, and balloon like. Pop the balloon once it's dry, and paint away.

>>54286395
It's not an official pic, it's a damn photoshop.

Also everyone who gives a fuck already knows who the Blood Ravens' Primarch was.

>>54286250
Right, proof that they actually brought up issues like this, or is it merely from after the fact shitty podcasts and clickbait articles for that ad revenue?

>>54286266
The FF articles? Those tourney wank infested BOLS tier shit prints?
Anyone could write that after a cursory glance at the rules. And half the time the notes were just plain wrong.

>Guys, striking scorpions are better in 8th!
>Update removed an attack, one point of strength and made other rules worse
Tourney fags confirmed for not actually playing the game, only their lists and most of the time, poorly.

>>54286407
>a sort of bare bones datasheet
Yea no, not buying that shit. GW isn't going to create a special, playtester only, handout and then make it from stratch for the real book, it's copy paste.
All errors were there, the play-testers didn't read everything. They were too busy selling nerfed units and buying new OP ones. Saw this first hand, tourney fags selling parts of their armies left and right.

>>54286430
>English is like my 4th language
Anon can you stop being a shill and defending a bad product. (By product I mean the index themself)

>>54286451
>Faint sound of ADB and Goulding REEEEEEE-ing in the distance

>>54286384
>He's never heard of Ork Painboy drive by repairs

>>54286384
Tiny scalpel with little force -> tiny healing
Ceramit-breaking Narethicum with 200 kmh -> big heal

>>54286463
>index (singular) themself (plural, not even a fucking word)

Someone with grammar as poor as yours really has no place criticizing anyone elses' grammar.

>>54286463
What the fuck kind of excuse is that? It ain't my first language either, mate.

Also, I'm very much not defending it. I'll openly admit the Index books were a damn rush job. They read and feel precisely like the Age of Sigmar Warscroll Compendiums. Difference being, the Warscroll Compendiums were free pdf downloads and the Index books were an outrageous 20 bucks a pop. But for being a rushed hack job, the number of typos was actually pretty harmless.

>>54286021
Wait, is the Marauder actually any good now? I always thought it was cool but discarded it because the rules were a bit shit and I could get Autocannons anywhere. What did they do to it?

>>54286501
>Now imagining a Apothecary slapping a plaster on a captain as he zooms past
>Yells "Walk it off, pussy" as he drives away
Man if I wasn't shit at drawing ...

>>54286456
>playtester under NDA says they mentioned it to GW

Are you retarded? You know there's an NDA. You know the playtester claims they brought it up. If you don't believe them, too bad, because THERE'S LITERALLY NO WAY TO PROVE IT DUE TO THE NDA

You either a) don't know who Reece/FLG is, or b) do know and think he's lying for some dumb reason. Both options prove that you're a retard.

>>54286449
Now I think about it, I remember that trick from primary school. Guess that would work, yeah. Now just to decide what size and shape to make the balloons.

>>54286514
For how much they costed, kind of expected a better thing

>>54286513
>themself (plural, not even a fucking word)
Oh anon. In this case, ignorance is bliss. "Themself" is used by tumblrites for a single person of a gender that doesn't conform to male/female, as in "The author themself said...". Yes, that is retarded. As I said, ignorance is bliss sometimes.

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>>54286521

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>>54286514
>Outrageous 20 bucks each
>For books containing the rules for armies that used to be spread over multiple codexes

>>54286513
(you)

>>54286517
Marauder Destroyer is good because 1) no blasts so it's 30 shots per turn before missiles are REALLY useful, 2) it doesn't consume it's hellstrike missiles when they're fired so it can fire 8 of them each turn.

And it's 430 points fully loaded. AND it gets a bombing run. *AND* it's T7 with 20 wounds and ignores heavy penalties.

>>54286456
>Yea no, not buying that shit. GW isn't going to create a special, playtester only, handout and then make it from stratch for the real book, it's copy paste.

It doesn't matter "what you buy" dipshit, your shitty retard perception doesn't dictate reality. Notice how First Strike datasheets are going to be different from Reiver's multi-part/codex datasheet? Ever notice how Primaris Marines have completely different point costs in Dark Imperium and the Index?

No, you didn't notice, because you don't know JACK SHIT but talk big anyways as if you knew anything, which you don't. I don't mind complaining about GW or making claims that GW is full of shit, but not when you're even more full of shit than they are.

>>54286170
>anyone saying anything about a techmarine's machines
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TvN5lCVkRk

If I use Warp Speed can the target unit shoot heavy weapons normally?

>>54286382
>7E FAQ
>Q: Can I take Commissar Yarrick as an HQ choice for my Militarum Tempestus army?
>A: No, as Commissar Yarrick is not an HQ choice for Codex: Militarum Tempestus

MOST PLAYTESTED EDITION EVER?!?!?!?!

>>54286561
Yes, outrageous, compared to their equivalent in AoS which is free of fucking charge.
Compare a theoretical 100 bucks for all unit rules to fucking zilch and, yeah, outrageous.

>>54286610
>implying you're going to buy every index
>implying I paid a single cent for my index rules

Slow down there cowboy

>>54286610

The compendiums didn't include points values

I think everyone complains about 8th edition just because they want to complain about GW 24/7 no matter what. Either that or they legitimately preferred 7th edition, in which case you already know they're either retarded or terrible at the game.

>>54286395
All the primaris are from Girlyman's gene seed.

Cawl knows how to make them using other gene seed, but Bobby G won't let him.

>>54286597
You'll never hear me say a good word about 7th and this is part of the proof of why it was shit.

>>54286597
Just take him in the Imperium force org

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>>54286610
Anon, the reason of the pricing in AoS is that GW asked exactly as much for those rules as what AoS is worth.

Absolutely nothing.

>>54286610
>implying AoS rules are free
Well technically if you bought anything from GW (or anyone that sold their stuff), you pay part of the rules.

The only way you didn't pay for it would be by buying third parties, second hand or recast.

>>54286456
>Yea no, not buying that shit. GW isn't going to create a special, playtester only, handout and then make it from stratch for the real book, it's copy paste.

I know right, if only games workshop had the resources to make a quick word template they could type work in progress rules into.

It's such a shame they don't have the same sort of resources that fandex authors have access too.

>>54286646
All the Primaris are from LOYALIST geneseed.

Cawl knows how to make them using traitor and even missing legion geneseed, but Guilliman won't """let""" him, but knows he's probably going to do it anyway because Cawl isn't trustworthy.

>>54286625
Ass of Syphilis are too stupid for points anyways.

>>54286456
>Yea no, not buying that shit. GW isn't going to create a special, playtester only, handout and then make it from stratch for the real book, it's copy paste.
F- Apply yourself.

Seriously, think about that for a second. At the time when you need to test something the finished version inherently cannot exist yet, if the datasheets were copy pasted from anywhere it would have been some rough, plain text working document. In all likelihood the typographical errors were introduced during data entry between the plain text version of the indexes and the final version intended for print.

I'm all for criticism of how GW produced this shit, but if you actually think like this you're a fucking dipshit. Maybe take a course on project management or something.

>>54286655
Nvm I can't read.

>>54286646
But that's wrong retard

>>54286660
Kek'd

>>54286568
Well, that sounds like exactly what the Genetor ordered. BS4+, though? So you'll get what, 19 hits from a full volley? Still pretty decent, especially if like me you fight MEQ and their vehicles all the time. Will work well as a 3k Lord of War pick I think, I don't like to take them lower than around 2.5k and it fits in well with my 2.5k plus a couple tasty upgrades.

>>54286427
That's a stoopid idea, and not even tau are silly enough to leave orks alive on their planet when they don't have to. They've leaned that lesson the hard way.

Seriously, they can import crops or livestock that'll be FAR easier to handle than orks. Remember, a lot of the core tau septs (including the planet t'au itself) are desert worlds, they're good at creating enough food to eat in this sort of environment.

>>54286645
>just because they want to complain about GW 24/7 no matter what.
Or may be because 8th isn't all great.

>>54286623
Well I did say "theoretical 100 bucks".

>>54286625
But at least you had the unit rules. Also it was actually possible to play without points, but please don't blow this up into an argument. It worked for me, it wouldn't work for you, there, done.

>>54286646
But that's wrong you fucking idiot. Cawl used geneseed from ALL Primarchs and Girlyman told him to stop using *traitor primarch geneseed*.

Which do you prefer? Vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/13419108

>>54286729
So you're the "prefers 7th" breed of retard, got it.

>>54286729
I enjoy 8th, but the amount of shills grabbing to anything in order to defend it is rather amusing.

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>>54286729
So why dont you play a better edition

>>54286729
If you didn't prefer 7E over 8E, then QED 8E is an improvement. If you complain about improvements, you're just a whiny faggot, end of story. You'd have to be one stupid motherfucker to continue playing/visiting 40k threads for 5+ years if you never thought it was good.

>>54286673
You uh, you do know AoS has an official point system, right? Or are you just talking out of your ass and wondering why your butt's cold?

>>54286744
>not loving 8th means you must love 7th
Are you a retard?

>>54286734

You had unit rules because that was the last place you would ever see written material for your squatted stuff and even those ended up being replaced in a few months with the grand alliance books.

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>>54286706
If the model wasn't an overpriced ugly as fuq flying brick if snap one up in a heartbeat.

As it is I really want to find a suit a my sized model that I can concert so it looks like a 40k version of the A-10 Thunderbolt II. Pic related.

>>54286764
>constantly moaning about the current edition because he misses a an edition from several years/decades ago that's never going to come back

Are you? RT was a joke. 2E was a mess. 3E was inferior to 8E. 3.5 was retarded. 4E is overrated as fuck. So which is it that you preferred, jackass?

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So what will GW give as new SUITS given that Tau are now the main protagonist heroes of 40k ?

>>54286787

>2E was a mess

yeah

but it was *our* mess

>>54286760
>QED
take a logic course my man, what if he hates them both equally

>>54286645

I really like the new core rules. 7th Edition was a fucking mess.

I like the buff for some armies like Orks, Nids, Dark Eldar. I think they deserved it.

I like that they nerved some armies.

I don't like what they did to some armies playstyle wise. But I guess it is really hard to balance all armies and still keep them fluffy or make every unit of each codex worth it's costs.

How good are Grey Knights? Thinking of doing them as an allied force.

>>54286771
Yes, just like the Index books. Which was my point. They are precisely as made-to-be-replaced as the Warscroll Compendiums are, but they were free.

Also, unlike the Index books, you are allowed to take a legacy warscroll instead of the updated version, it's just that most of the updated scrolls happen to be better (but only most of them, the old Ghoul King scroll is far better than the new one for example).

>>54286799
Ninja suits.

>>54286610
The equivalent in age of sigmar is the grand alliance books, which are not free.

>>54286787
Do you actually think 8th is like the second coming of God or some shit?

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>>54286830
>turns out this was all a set up to shill AoS all along

>>54286535
NDA is over now that the content is released, or were you not aware of how basic legal rules work?

>>54286569
And you talk big about this shit as if you know everything.
Have you ever done playtesting?
Worked with a product before it was released to the public?
Seen pre-published material?
No?
That's what I thought kiddo.
Keep being an autistic defender shit you don't know shit about, it's humorous to watch your mental gymnastics.

>>54286665
You really shouldn't be giving GW that much credit. Regardless I stated the rules were copy-pasted, not from where. Typos on the work in progress rules, which end up being the final rules, were never noticed.
See the FAQ change to Celestine if you need proof.

>>54286676
I actually have handled three different playtest materials for other games produced by public companies. Not everyone does it the same way, but it's always done the easiest way, copy paste, when possible.

It's far easier to check for errors during the "plain text version" you claim existed. That's when proofreading is done. After the product is finalized, it may get another pass, but tends not to.

And I'm not giving shit on typos like "where" and "were", I'm talking about core fucking rules not hidden in blocks of text.

Also (as a general request, not to you anon) tourney fag defenders go back to your goddamn containment board

>>54286823
Don't. They're the third faction to get a Codex, ergo you are almost guaranteed some Primaris Grey Knights in the future, so why settle for Grey Knightlets now.

>>54286787
You must be retarded.
Things are not black or white.

There are something I like and dislike of each edition. You can't be this mad about people not drooling over 8th like you

>>54286374

After reading the entry for Apo on Bike I can't choose anything else. Problem solved.

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>>54286823
>>54286857
Depending, but I wouldn't expect any Primaris Greyknights for a while.

We already have had a couple of the big tourney's

So why is there such a fuggin lack of netlists? I've been building and I can't decide if footslog or really fast is the better option for muh orkz

>>54286847
You fucking retard, I don't shill. In fact I don't want trash like you to even glance at AoS much less play it. We've weeded out most of the WAAC faggots by now, so why shill AoS in a 40k thread and risk getting them all back?

>>54286058
Howling Griffons

>>54286891
>So why is there such a fuggin lack of netlists?

4 Stormravens, 2 Stormhawks, 5 Tacticals, 1 Captain.

There is your net list.

>>54286724
Okay, I'll certainly change that then. Rearing large herds of synapsidlike creatures as livestock also seems more in line with the rest of the world.

>>54286890
>Girlyman didn't know of their existence
>Yet had enough power to start his own secret marine project

Please, GW, no...

>>54286891
>So why is there such a fuggin lack of netlists?
Are you blind?

>>54286890
>who knows
Soo Primaris grey knight confirmed
Marines are getting slowly squated after all.

>>54286912
They were hidden at that point in time. Stop REEEing when you clearly dont know their fluff.

>>54286891
Because shockingly there is no one army that can trample every other one. Fliers seem good and powerful, but they have their counters. Hordes seem good and poweful but they have their counters. Synergize your army, keep some units that can deal with both hordes and vehicles (flying or otherwise) and odds are you won't get stomped into the dirt.

>>54286761
Just because it has a points system doesn't mean anything. The lack of brains needed to willingly play AoS make them utterly superficial.

>>54286925
no, we only got the list for 1 fucking tournament.
Stop shitposting

>>54286760
>improvements
Such as..?
Flamers are best anti-air? Unification of monsters and tanks? The said tanks who cannot pass through few grots?
This shit was supposed to be spotted and fixed durring the playtest, but instead of this they turned simplification into primitivisation.
>b-b-b-but muh balance
It always happened when new edition released, 'till the new codexes.

>>54286799
Jaegers, melee suits, sniper suits.

>>54286972
Go check any place that actually discusses 40k and you'll find your netlists. Seriously not hard.

>>54286950
Rock Paper Scissors does not a balanced game make. "My stormraven list counters hordes." "Oh yeah, my Onagerspam counters your stormravens". "Oh yeah, my hordespam counters your onagers?"

"Why not take a mix of units?"

"Because then you die to a spam jank spoiler."

I just can't wait to see two Ynnari flocks go head-to-head, just to tally how many dice get rolled, and how long the game actually takes to resolve.

>>54286954
Having fun with 9th Age I see.

>>54286978
By his logic 3rd edition basic rulebook is the most balanced edition ever.

It was unbalanced as fuck when codex show up

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>>54285980
Why is the Malanthrope 90 points but 10 PL and it can't buy upgrades

Also what hive fleet is this?

>>54286898
>AoSfag calling anyone trash
You know why there's no waacfags? No one can take your sorry excuse of an ip seriously enough to do try and win at it.

>>54286978
So you preferred 7E over 8E, thanks for admitting your retardation.

>>54287006
>Rock Paper Scissors does not a balanced game make
No, but it's infinitely better than three lists that dominate all tournaments and when someone dares to win with a different list he has to justify himself because the netlisters clearly couldn't have missed something that powerful.

>>54287021
>point stupid and silly things means he wants broken 7th back
Yep, you are totally retarded.

>>54286912
>Guilliman what are you and Cawl doing with all those Statis Chambers, Geneseeds, and Marines?
>N-nothing. Malacador, what are you doing with all those Psykers and Deimos?
>N-nothing.

>>54287021
>So you preferred 7E over 8E
Where I said anything like that?
>thanks for admitting your retardation.
>says GWshill

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we need to home brew some 8th ed rules for these.

>>54286853
>It's far easier to check for errors during the "plain text version" you claim existed. That's when proofreading is done. After the product is finalized, it may get another pass, but tends not to.

That's exactly what he said, moron. Typos were created in data entry transferring plaintext to printed format.

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>>54287060

>>54286857
>>54286857
Or it's a way to just put them aside as done. It looks like voldus is of similar scale and appearance as regular SM so I'm guessing they should not get new boxes anytime soon - maybe some replacement HQ

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>>54287017

>>54286949
Girlyman was wounded and put in stasis in 121.M31. Grey Knight emerged during the secound founding (7 years after the Horus Heresy, so 021.M31).

So you're telling me that for 100 years, Guilliman, Lord Commander of the Imperium, was not aware of a Marine chapter that came out of nowhere, was oddly placed on the roster of the 2nd founding he himself devised, and were based on a moon in the Sol system, a moon that had been hidden for some time?

Nobody thought to tell him that the moon we thought lost during the Heresy is back now and there's a marine chapter not of any of the loyalist legions that's placed beyond the chapters we've made from the loyalist legions?

What's the word on Razorbacks? I'm thinking of getting one of those and a Rhino for some flexibility. Would probably stick a flamer+combi-flamer squad in the Razorback if I got one, but I dunno.

>>54286853
>unreleased codexes and rules are released

Hue.

>kiddo

HUE

>still doesn't acknowledge the fact that he didn't know Primaris Dark Imperium rules and Primaris Index Imperium rules were different

HUE

HEUHEHUEHUEUEHUUE- shut the fuck up nigger you don't know shit

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>>54287074

>AoS
>anti-WAAAC
>laughingSylvaaneths.jpg

>>54287046
What are those "3" lists you speak of, btw?

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>>54287060
>catachan mantrap

So... a Catachan woman?

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>>54287096

>>54287047
>can't get over his autistic flamer meme
>>54287054
>can't stop calling everyone who points out his idiocy a shill

Wew cream of the crop right here, so glad you lads were intelligent enough to not respond

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>>54287079
Truth hurts don't it?

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>>54287122

>>54287084
For 32 points more than a rhino, you get better dakka than a whole 5 man Tac squad on a durable chassis that keeps your dudes mobile and safe.

>>54287125
>talking about others idiocy while providing zero arguments

>>54287014
>Why is the Malanthrope 90 points but 10 PL and it can't buy upgrades
Because, dear anon, FW are retards who can't write rules for shit.

>Also what hive fleet is this?
The Forgeworld all-purpose Hive Fleet colour scheme.

Also anyone else getting real tired of captchs's shit right now?

>>54287119
Eheehee

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>>54287139

>>54287014
>Why is the Malanthrope 90 points but 10 PL and it can't buy upgrades

For the same reason 3 shadow spectres are 6 PL but 69 points

>>54287107
Gladius, Tzeentch Daemons and TauDar.

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>>54287156

>>54286799
Tau need some 4-legged weapon support platforms.

The stormsurge wouldn't look retarded if it had 4 legs.

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>>54287174

>>54287130
It would, if you started typing truth instead of ugly and frankly pretty sad bile that is currently making your keyword all dirty, mate.

>>54287151
>screeching "GWshill" is an argument

Lol what did I say about this idiot and his (you)'s

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>>54286978
My personal favorite example of 8e simplification is how they changed fliers.

Flyers in 7e were dangerous, perhaps too good in casual play but they weren't popular for tournaments, since objective capping was so important, and their reserves/fire angles/etc were limiting as fuck.

In 8e, hoo boy. Let's ignore the flamer meme, and look at how Airborne flyers work. The enemy is at -1 to hit them, but they have full 360* movement. However, they exist in two points in space at once:
-Enemies cannot move within 1" of them without assaulting them.
-Enemies without fly cannot assault them

Airborne flyers are basically a mobile forcefield if you don't fly.

On the other hand, if you run a horde and space out so the flyers have nowhere to end their move, they *die* outright.

>mfw infantry telefrag flyers and flyers are mobile forcefields.

>>54286012
Good playtesters and good editors are two very different things, that GW doesn't have.

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>>54287187

>>54287198
Flyers have always been shit
Both models and rules

>>54287198
Did you not play in early 6E, newfag?

>>54287230

Croissant spam!

>>54287171
Barkstar, thunderbubble, War Convo, and Canoptek Orikanstar have all been dangerous. Hell, even Reaverspam pulled off an ITC win once. Eldar did not even make the top 4 this year at LVO, but the winner was running an Ordnance Tyrant gunline (Chaos Guard, yo). Truth be told though, I feel that build could easily have been replicated/done better with an Imperial Guard build though.

>>54287238

I like how Necrons are legit game ruining but always slide under the radar. They should be hated at least as much as Tau

>>54287192
Now you're in denial.

>>54287264
Eldar are 75% of the field in circuits that don't nerf the shit out of them, like NOVA. Go look at those results, top 16 was literally just Eldar almost the whole way down.

>>54287198
I played 3rd, some 4th, but mostly 5th. I skipped on 6th, and got back into it mid-7th. I'm aware of the 5e codex being really good in 6e/7e.

Why do I constantly feel the warhammer community let's games workshop use their arseholes as a cunt and nobody seems to care ?

>>54287266
Tau have the trinity.
Broken rules
Anime protagonist lore
Magnet for annoying players

>>54287145
Sounds like a good deal to have at least one then. I looked up exactly what the sprue has and it's a shame it only comes with the twin heavy bolters or twin lasscanons. I think I'd go with the lasscanons for the extra anti-armor if I had to chose.

>>54287264
That build as ig wouldn't have had fearless zombies with a 4+ fnp for 3p a model and a screamer star and 20p twin linked lascannons...

>>54287266

The difference is Cron players are not even remotely annoying as taufags

>>54287308
Lascans or AssCans are the way to go imo.
LasPlas isn't worth it.

>>54287266
During 5th I had a necron army with lots of warriors, ghost arks, a doomsday ark, annihilation barges ... it was meant to be a real fluffy army. But it never lost a game, and even BTFO 5th edition Paladin wing with Draigo. It basically won through attrition, the necron warrior squads kept on getting replenished but the enemy models don't come back. Ended quite a few games with just as many necron warrriors as I started with.

Sold it all because nobody wanted to play against it any longer after 10 games.

>>54287327

Not SM, but yesterday I witnessed Pask taking 12 mortal wounds to overcharged plasma in a shooting phase

>>54287344
Incredible

>>54287224

Am I a fag for liking some of the models?

e.g. Valkyries, Stormtalon, Crimson Hunter, Voidraven and the Necron flyers look great without even talking abount the FW stuff.

Some (Tau flyers for example) looked like shit though

>>54287344
That's just sad considering he can order himself to re-roll 1s.

>>54287350
Nephilim and Xiphon are rad

>>54287341

Like my 3e crons

Destroyers, warriors, monoliths, lords

Sometimes wraiths with destroyer lord if i felt fancy

warrior conga line FTW

>>54287361

He did

got 5 plasma shots, rolled 4 1s, rerolled into 2 more 1s

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>>54286799
The give guard Zakus in response to the tau's gundams

>>54287350
Storm talons are ugly but the rest are cool looking

>>54287344
>>54287377

>me irl

>>54287377
Man that's rough. I was going to equip him and a Tank Commander with Battle Cannon, Lascannon and 2 Plasma Cannons. That sounds like an unlikely risk, but still, it happened.

I really like Plasma this edition. So much risk and so much reward.

>>54287316
It would have near-fearless (or fearless) conscripts, with the ability to double-stack shooting/Dakka, obsec, or the option to run. FNP meant shit w/ T3, because S6 intensifies.

The Screamerstar is difficult to destroy, but its damage output is relatively minor. The real danger with it was mandatory pile-in, combined with being able to shoot earthshakers/quad mortars into melee.

The Rapiers are amazing though. Not just TL, but AP 1 and Ordnance. They're more like discount Railguns.

>>54287184
I feel like some sort of spider tank would work really well for Tau.

>>54287198
Think supersonic fliers are the only ones that can be assaulted by flyers.

So hovering stormtalons can get swarmed.

>>54287350
You're not a fag but in my opinion flyers are typically too different in style from the other stuff and make few sense tabletop wise since you have to imagine all these supersonic jets jumping around and bolter guys shooting at them. it just isn't suited for tabletop and they all look awkward

>>54287006
Yeah, that's my main problem with 8e, aside from Admech being nerfed to fuck and praying their IA comes out soon.

I make a balanced list with a little of everything and get stomped by any spam list, since I'm not specialized enough. Command Points don't QUITE do enough.

I was thinking, once IA14 comes out, of getting a Warhound and using the Myrmidon models to make an Old Skitarii list - hulking tribal warriors who are extremely durable and fierce, with heavy artillery in the form of Onagers. Maybe that would pack some more punch.

>>54287156
That is actually pretty over powered.

>>54287411
>Has no imagination.

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>>54287407
Our schtick, you blue twats. You already get to cop-out any of your possible fluff downsides and rival us at tech, get your own fuckawesome aesthetic ;)

>>54287411
How you do it in Battlefield, shoot at the planes trying to dive bomb you.

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>>54287184
>>54287407
>even more anti-infantry

>>54287441
Your shtick is walking through lava and dying.

>>54286456
fine, don't believe me. if you want to keep simultaneously crying about GW being retards and giving them your money that's your business.

>>54287051
I actually pictured them passing in a corridor with with a bunch of those bundled in their arms having that conversation and blushing.

>>54287437
Enjoy your action man helicopter, faggot

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>Tfw dropping ten stormbolter armed sternguard behind Taufags
>Tfw putting out enough dakka to make them turn green with envy.

>>54287494
>He doesn't enjoy action man helicopter
Why are you here?

>>54287515
Everything but action man helicopters

>>54287515
And faggots like you

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>>54286997
>haha it totally exist just look

>haha mrs the judge I totally didnt do that I mean come one do I really need proof ?

>>54287510
What's better for Sternguard? Stormbolters or special issue bolters?

>>54287510
>dropping 12 overpriced Acolytes with Storm Bolter that re-roll 1s
Tau didn't even know what hit them

>>54287291
When you say nerf, go on. The main diffs between ITC vs Nova were: Nova restricted you to one FW item, and ITC used modded Invisibility and D. The only thing I could really think of is ITC flamers only hitting one floor of Ruins.

Of course, the D-knight wasn't anywhere as popular as the Skatach, simply because Eldar didn't have innate Ignore Cover otherwise, and Ravenwing armies were also fairly popular (even though they didn't make the top tables unless part of a Space Wolf mashup).

>>54287510
>burst cannon equivalents
Eh, they're so ubiquitous that's there's not much reason to actually take the damn things.
Also EWO.

>>54287557
>one FW model
>two Repressor in a SoB are too OP

Why?

>>54287550
It's the only anti-horde SM have since thunderfire cannons are shit now.

>>54287510
On another note:

>Can't drop behind a Tau player if they hang 9" away from the table edge.

>Can't drop into an 18" clearing between two units of Tau.

>Why bother Deep Striking if you can only land in front?

>>54287572
Are you telling me your basic 5 men squad can't run 3 flamers/storm bolter?

>>54287060
>At the end of any Movement Phase, the closest unit within 5" of this model suffer D3 S4 hits

>>54287096
At the start of every movement phase, both players roll off. The one who rolls highest may move the Canak Floater D6". If the Canak Floater ends its move within 2" of any model, it explodes. Any unit within 6" of it suffers D3 Mortal Wounds. After it explodes, remove the Canak Floater from the game.

>>54287122
Like Citadel Woods.

>>54287139
At the end of any movement phase, roll a D6 if any model is within 6" of the Spore Tree. On a 5+, the model's unit suffers D3 Mortal Wounds.

>>54287156
At the end of any movement phase, the closest unit within 6" of a Spitting Cactus suffers D6 Wounds with AP0,

>>54287174
Pretty much a copy-paste of those rules, they still work.

>>54287187
Also still works perfectly fine.

>>54287202
At the end of any movement phase, the player whose turn it is must roll 2D6. The closest unit within this range must immediately make a Battleshock test.

>>54287404
Conscripts in 7th would have required a 130 point Platoon tax in form of a command squad and 2 infantry squads, and even further points in form of a commissar. Not worth it for shit flashlights. Not all shooting was scatbikes, either. Zombies were also obsec.

Rapiers are actually only ap2, because there's a difference between Laser Destroyers and Laser Destroyer Arrays, but because FW are idiots this difference wasn't made until Siege of Vraks (IA:13 only lists the ap1 variant)

IG also paid 20 points more each earthshaker, and as you point out, can't shoot them into combat.

So no, it could not have been done better by loyalist guard, there's a reason for why Renegades were top-tier and IG were absolute bottom-tier in 7th.

>>54287598
Flamers are now only 8"range. Deepstriking and drop podding units have to be at least 9" away from enemy models.

>>54287594
inquisition and SoB player here.
I just run a Valk full of Acolytes. The rest of the army can spam 12" twin Heavy Flamer and storm bolter so easily that by dakka alone I can solve most of my problems.

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>>54287280
Yes, as were the dozens of people I had fun and enjoyable games with.
>inb4 fun is a buzzword

>>54287384
FUCKING THIS would kick the Tau GM/Gundam asses with superior Zeonic imperial tech, newtypes are psykers so funnels for the imperium.

How Tau would ever compete?

>>54287571
Tournaments get stuffy about FW being balanced or not, or part of 40k or not.

To be fair, they may have a point at times. The last 2 LVOs were won by Forgeworld lists (2017: Ordnance Tyrants, 2016: An Eldar Pale Court, which made it way too easy to spam Warp Spiders: Think 9 units of 5 or so).

>>54287613
That is why I said flamer/storm Bolter

>>54287641
Flamers are shit now though.

>>54287621
How much beer were you guys inhaling to find that non-game fun?

>>54287384
Imperial Knights as Big Zam

>>54287544
>haha if its not right in front of me it doesnt exist
>haha 40k is serious business guys and the answers to my retarded questions must stand up in court
kys

I'm assembling a Helbrute; Any input on loadout? I was leaning towards either plasma cannon or lascannon, and power scourge or thunder hammer.

>>54286830
>Also, unlike the Index books, you are allowed to take a legacy warscroll instead of the updated version, it's just that most of the updated scrolls happen to be better (but only most of them, the old Ghoul King scroll is far better than the new one for example).

I wouldnt expect that to still be the case in Generals handbook 2017.

>>54287651
Yep. Rather sad for me since I have 4 squads with 3 each. Never needed anything beside flamers and meltas for a decade.

Running flamers as SB till I can get a replacement

>>54287659
Lascannon and a thunderhammer my dude

>>54287300
Because the site is written and maintained by Games Workshop and the "community" part of the name is just an artefact?

>>54287301
Do please point out the broken rules, because all I see are meme-builds and nerfs. Or is this whole smug Tau-shtick just shit-stirring to get people to hate Tau? Because if so, it's starting to work.

>>54287659
Lascannon and scourge is my go to.

>>54287666
Yeah, i gotta snap them off my sternguard and replace with SB's.

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>>54287051

>just realized Deimos pattern vehicles are so rare now because Deimos was moved from Mars to Saturn and makes only Grey Knight stuff.

>>54287673
>fall back and still shoot
>can manta strike within 1" away
>base infantry pumps out 3 strength 5 shots at 18" range
Granted though, this requires a lot of synergy.

>>54287673
It was mostly referring to previous edition in case your butthurt didn't let you read.

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>>54287658
>Being this eternally btfo with no possible recovery you straight up lie and back off when ask for proof

>>54287653
You do realize that the 40k all of us but you are discussing is basically AoS but with Strength and Toughness values tacked on, right?

>>54287693
>snapping of
>all metal models
I envy how much love GW gives you

>>54287673
>shit-stirring to get people to hate Tau?
people hate T'au since 2005

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>>54287712
>wheres thing?
>Go look for it
>WAH GIB PROOF NOW

>>54287462
Tachikomas are more mechanicus looking than Tau.

>>54287719
It has unit interaction so it's not as vapid.
If you're this upset at your pathetic game getting shat on you should maybe just go back to the thread dedicated to it instead of the 40k thread.

>mfw all these simultaneous arguments started by random fags who probably aren't even here anymore

>>54287665
If the GH17 actually adds an Allegiance Ability and a Spell Lore for Rotbringers, I will stop caring about that.

>>54287726
People hate Tau since fish of fury. Was that in 3rd or 4th?
It was 5th that people hated tau as a whole

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>>54287744
But they're anime, as are tau.

>>54287485
>sheesh Malcador how come you get TWO moons

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How do I best get more detail from the armour?

If you look closely you can see where I've drybrushed on trims and so on, but its just not very clear.

If I put on too much paint I fear I'll just splatter everywhere.

For the first time I'm looking at the Assasins's profiles, is it just me or the Culexus is terribly OP?

>>54287777
>Tau
>Anime
Tau is as anime as RWBY

>>54287798
Damn

>>54287754
>spewing swear words
>claims other people are upset
Whatever you say, bucko.

Also you do know that the unit interaction currently in 40k comes from AoS, right?
As does Movement, Shooting, Charging, Melee, Morale and the keyword system. But do keep telling me how shit AoS is, because it's incredibly amusing to read your uninformed nonsense.

>>54287765

You're in luck because all the filler factions getting allegiance abilities is the main draw of the new book, besides assumed point changes.

>>54287807
Different guy, but AoS and 8th are both shit.

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What do you drink while painting?
Underage fags need not comment
>pic related

>>54287777
Ok someone needs to stat the Scarab now.

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>>54287798
Can you please have some chill? I didn't think I'd see a death today

>>54287833
Usually Macragge Blue with a dash of orange bitters

>>54287825
At least 8th didn't murder a game in the making.

If 40k was made into Age of the Ultramarines because 6th sucked balls people would be piss

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>>54287833
Water. All I drink is water. Always.

>>54287833
I can't believe it's this post again

>>54287833
Bud Light, I am not a fancy man

>>54287845
Doesn't matter because a couple grenades thrown in the very exposed engine kills it

>>54287833
Dirty paint water

>>54287856
Are you me ?!

>>54287784
The gold looks better if you VERY lightly dry-brush it with a silvery color. A similarly light dry-brush of Zandri Dust (no, really) will also bring out the detail on the green well.
Then paint those slime splatters first with green then with Nurgle's Rot. Then do the base and done. Also clean up the mess around the visor.

>>54287856
Lmao relatable
I wish I could upvoted something twice

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>>54287807
>upset people use swear words in an 18+ website for anime pornography
The mental state needed to enjoy AoS.
Also no, that is just a bastardization of earlier editions. Did you not just roll to run in 5th instead of doing it in the shoot phase like you were supposed to?
Charging is also the same as earlier editions of 40k, but you declare the charges like it were Fantasy instead.
So no, retreading old ideas does not make it like Age of Six year olds, only thing like it is the retardation of making everything crumble like we were all playing undead.

Anyone else super excited about Warmaster coming out this year? I sure am.

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Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

Digging around I happened upon nine of my old pewter plague zombies from Necromunda. Figured they could join the ranks of my Poxwalkers, even if they are a bit tiny.

>>54287845
On it
Size/Type:
Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice:
5d10+25 (52 hp)
Initiative:
+1
Speed:
30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class:
15 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 14
Base Attack/Grapple:
+5/+14
Attack:
Claw +9 melee (1d6+5)
Full Attack:
2 claws +9 melee (1d6+5) and bite +4 melee (1d8+2)
Space/Reach:
10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks:
Improved grab
Special Qualities:
Scent
Saves:
Fort +9, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities:
Str 21, Dex 12, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills:
Listen +8, Spot +8
Feats:
Alertness, Track
Environment:
Temperate forests
Organization:
Solitary, pair, or pack (3-8)
Challenge Rating:
4
Treasure:
None
Alignment:
Always neutral
Advancement:
6-8 HD (Large); 9-15 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment:
—

>>54287865
You could use the H2 or Reach stats.
>tfw boarding the scarab in Reach
So satisfying.

>>54287886
Regarding zandri dust, you mean on the green armour or on the recesses and edges etc?

>>54287859
I'm glad someone remembers :^)

>>54287856
>gamer_fuel_thread.web
How many of your fuckers are from /v/?

>>54287824
Yeah, they said it would, but I still fear they'll find a reason not to give Nurgle some lovin'.

Allow invuls against mortal wounds!

>>54287198
I'm even more perplexed by how inconsistent flyers are now. Some are "flyers" some occupy other role slots, some are hard to hit some are not, some have minimum moves some do not, some have restricted turning, some do not. There are all kinds of variations of flyers are no consistency at all.

>>54287946
>make mortal wounds the same as AP2 from last edition
If you'd have played seventh you'd have known how bad that would be

>>54287946
That defeats the whole purpose of mortal wounds.

>>54287784
Your drybrushing is very conservative, so it doesn't accomplish a lot. Washes or inks will add depth by darkening recesses. Or you could do a somewhat heavier drybrush followed by a more controlled edge highlight. Pick out some if the icky goo parts with a brighter green or even some other colors entirely.

Learn by doing. I always got more out of just diving in than reading/watching tutorials.

>>54287911
The edges of the green, The beige gives a very nice effect that highlights the edges and it doesn't look out of place.
If you want to see how the colours interact, watch based Duncan's tutorial on the Maggoth Lord (yeah, it's fantasy, whatever, the colours are the same).

>>54287946
That's a terrible terrible idea

>>54287974
>this kills the mortal wounds

>>54287905
Source me you little shit, my erection needs release.

>>54287970
I did, though.
>>54287974
Mortal wounds defeat the purpose of invuls.
>>54287989
>defending Strength D

So, are y'all the fangs that missed 7th or what?

>>54287946
>REEEEEEEEEEE my Hammernators aren't fucking invincible anymore, 8th sucks!!!!

How are bullgrins doing this edition? Has anyone played with them? I was gonna try two squads of 6 each with 3 of each type of shield and a priest behind them footslogging up the board
With how good rough riders and conscripts are I'm thinking some melee guard might be fun to try with ol iron arm leading the way

>>54288004
I bet you think you perfectly countered each one of those arguments

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INFINITELY TRIGGERED

>>54288008
Why shouldn't they be?
I don't have any Assault Terminators.

>>54288004
In what way are Mortal Wounds equivalent to Strength D you drooling retard? They don't kill the model. They do 1 damage per Mortal Wound. How is D3 auto-wounds with no saves comparable to
>point at Monstrous Creature
>take Monstrous Creature off the board

>>54288043
>Heavy bolt pistol
>Exact same stats as a regular bolt pistol

My sides !

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Bad time to start an eC/slaanny army?

>>54286271
>North
Your first mistake: ascribing geographic directions to a galactic map.

Better terminology would be "clockwise", "counterclockwise", "Inward", "Rimward", "Superplane", and "Subplane"

>>54288004
>Mortal wounds defeat the purpose of invuls.
Invulns are there to save against high AP weapons. You're just wrong.

And why did you even bring up Strength D? No real argument to make so we're busting out the strawmen early?

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>>54288043
This is not okay.

>>54288080
You just use the galactic north

:^)

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>>54288009
They're good enough that I've started my kitbash project using AoS minotaurs.

Ignore the ripper gun, I'm making both ogryns and Bullgryns.

>>54288043

I think its clearly a typo but Ill take -1 AP on their melee any day over the pistol.

>>54288043
Why?
Because the dumbed down starter rules made them Ultramarines? Guess what, the points pdf says any chapter can take them.
Because they don't have Deep Strike or Infiltrate? We were already promised Grav Chute deployment when their full rules come out.
Because of the squad size? The same pdf says that for Matched, their squad size is 5-10.

>>54288044
Obviously. Because if you did, you'd know why Invul Saves against Mortal Wounds is a retarded idea.

>>54288043
>Combat blade is AP1
>Heavy bolt pistol is not.
Cunting fuck? Typo?

>>54288043
>T-they'll t-t-totally g-get infiltrate i-in their f-f-full unit e-entry !
>J-just you wait !

BWHAHAHAHA

>>54287833
Bourbon, normally. Add ice and sip and it lasts all evening.

>>54288004

The point of Mortals is to make sure there can never be some kind of retarded Smashfucker supercharacter, hence the access to them allowing Electro-Priests to beat Guilliman to death through his 3++ and such. I do think that tacking them onto every single minor interaction was a bit much, since even to simplify things it tends to make explosions and such a bit binary, but they're a good idea in theory.

I'm neutral on 8e vs. 7e, 7e was obviously unbalanced as hell, but I detest the spammy meta, sponginess of every model thanks to health bars and overall lack of depth from 8, turning most weapons into a flat DPT value and removing stuff like blasts and scatter and facings that made it a bit more risky and added more depth than "point weapons at optimal target and hope". Yeah, blasts were irritating en masse, but those could easily be turned into D3 shots while leaving the rest alone, and there was nothing wrong with Flamer templates. Maybe tack a Min Hits/ value on some templates to allow them to not whiff as much against single models, but they work as a mechanic.

8e could be made great, though. Time will tell, until then I have HH Mechanicum to work on anyway.

>>54288131

If they were troops I would take them over intercessors any day of the week

as elites they're just confusing.

>>54288131
You think they won't? You think their max squad size is 3? The starter box won't give them infiltrate because the play area is too fucking small, idiot