Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

So do you think we'll get reviewanons for Iron Gods? I know we didn't get them for ensoulment because of protag, but... Come on

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>>54278580
>What do you want to see in SoP's Death handbook?

legal LG necromancers that won't raise eyebrows from the locals or swords from the paladins

>>54278580
Options for kludging together undead to make even freakier undead, as well as options for combining with the Life Sphere for cancer magic. Also more options for controlling different kinds of undead, or possibly consolidating and sacrificing lesser undead to make even bigger/badder ones

Basically, I wanna be able to play like I'm using an MtG Zombie deck

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>>54278653
>LG necromancers
>posts Mercy

>>54278653
That is technically possible since nothing in Spheres has an [Evil] descriptor. In fact nothing in Spheres has a descriptor except for Blasts.

>>54278669

Isn't she, though? And isn't she implied to have something to do with why Reaper is an undying mutant? Seems like necromancer business to me.

>>54278605
Reviews are cancer. Fuck off with your APPZ APPZ APPZ bullshit

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>>54278653
By RaW, SoP undead don't have alignment in order to keep it fluff agnostic.

However, the SoP main campaign setting says otherwise, since they're allowed to do that, and they've left it to being setting specific how the undead is handled

Also, you can easily and more efficiently replicate having skelebros with the Enhancement Sphere instead, so there's that, and without any of the issues with desecrating the souls of the dead or other evil Necromancer things that you faggots try to deny. Plus with the goodies from the Enhancement book you can even get your animated bones to help you with casting, skills, and other stuff, and you aren't religated to just undead either.

I asked this towards the end of the last thread but School Savant Arcanist or Wizard?

>>54278655
Doesn't life have cancer magic now? And a thing to heal yourself while using Death?

>>54278580
Orin is cute!

>>54278742
desecrating the souls of the dead or other evil Necromancer things that you faggots try to deny
I mean it's objective fact. Necromancy doesn't do shit to someones soul unless you create an intelligent undead.

>>54278742
Wonderful. Just what we need "NECROMANCY IS GOOD" shit all over the threads.

>>54278779
oh boy, maybe next we'll get someone asking how to cast off of strength

>>54278758
Since you'll be fighting undead a lot, and your worried about losing exploits, then you may as well investment in a Wizard with Hallowed Necromancer, and some rifle-scrolls. Take Enchantment and Illusion as your forbidden schools

>>54278774
>Can't even quote properly
As expected of Necromancers, the edgy dropouts of the magical community.

>>54278779
Did you not read the image? It's explicitly saying the act of raising the dead is evil "no matter how many orphans you may rescue with your orphans to justify it"

>>54278804
yeah, but that's not the problem.

>By RaW, SoP undead don't have alignment in order to keep it fluff agnostic.

THAT'S the problem.

>>54278804
>durr hurr you made a typo so I'm not going to address your argument

>>54278837
Oh. he addressed it just fine.

>>54278774
Your still creating an entity who's primary function and animating force compelled it to torture and destroy all life and to spread entropy with no regard for the balance of life and the universe, and does so not out of a need for survival bit instead purely for the sake of the destruction of said life

Okay I'm starting to doze off but I finally got the Half-goblinoid page finished for the DSP SRD. That one happened to be THREE races compressed into one entry. I'll toss up Half-Sahaugin and I'll likely update when I'm 100% done with Bloodforge and Bloodforge Infusions: Esoteric Energies. Y'all have a good night now, stay safe.

>>54278837
If you weren't going to even bother reading the image because of your own illiteracy, then you retarded Necromancers shouldn't even date to call yourselves wizards.

Seriously, you guys are the Black Mesa of the magical community

>>54278804
>Did you not read the image? It's explicitly saying the act of raising the dead is evil "no matter how many orphans you may rescue with your orphans to justify it"
In the setting book they made for Spheres of Power which, if I recall, is literally "just an example" of something you can make using Spheres of Power. The entire point of Spheres is being fluff agnostic.
>>54278846
No he doesn't.
>>54278848
>who's primary function and animating force compelled it to torture and destroy all life and to spread entropy with no regard for the balance of life and the universe
Entropy IS balance and inevitable. The presence of life is neither good or bad. And mindless undead aren't "entities" they're tools.

Are necklaces of fireballs evil because they can kill things "needlessly" if mishandled?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83254/carnal-crown

>>54278864
>If you weren't going to even bother reading the image because of your own illiteracy
His image is irrelevant because it's a Third Party book about a non official setting to go with a magical subsystem, that is SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN TO BE FLUFF AGNOSTIC.

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How do I make him in Pathfinder?

Unfortunate caveat in that I can't have a mount, so if it's Cavalier it has to be an unmounted archetype

>>54278883
In PF, mindless undead have wis 10 and cha 10, meanign they have instincts and the self awareness to act on them. Just like mindless vermin, mindless oozes, and mindless plants.

WExcept unlike the others, the only motivating force they have is their alignment, which is invariable evil upon creation. That means, yes, they are self willed entities with only the desire to do evil, and the simplest form of evil is to kill everything alive that isn't itself.

That means they're entities and deadly. They also do not die unless destroyed. that is wjhy every single animate undead spell is "Evil". Because you are making malevolent entities whose first act when uncontrolled is to kill anything it can find.

>>54278945
>how do i make a character wit the power to summon a fucking army of soldiers

hmm

>>54278965
Obviously that part would be toned down.

>>54278976
congratulations, you made a big dude with a sword.

Its a fighter.

The soul weaver strikes me very much as being a necromancer, and they don't have to be evil at all. Plus, one of the archetypes even refluff their undead as servant spirits who willing obey them.

>>54278883
>In the setting book they made for Spheres of Power which, if I recall, is literally "just an example" of something you can make using Spheres of Power.
Wrong, that is World's of Power specifically. This book was the bestiary that accompanies the Magic Academy module that's for the DDS mainline Skyborne campaign setting

Also, Entropy may itself be part of the natural order, but the Undead are not Entropy itself. They are entropic forces ripped away from their origin and twisted and perverted for personal use. The undead are not impersonal balance robots, they are entities being powered by pure and raw malice and malintent, which has perverted the natural order and balance of Life and Death, and Energy and Entropy, attempting to wrench away one and force it into a false fascimile of the other.

While the bead of fireball can cause destruction, on its own it is incapable of harming anyone, as it is an inanimate object that requires a willing hand to activate. Undead though, no matter how "mindless" they are, do not rest on their own and need not a hand to guide them, for the malice of their own creation compels them to acts of evil and destruction, disturbing the balance of reality and forcing the unnatural and unholy reversal and regression of all that is meant to be in reality. While a bead of fireball is akin to making a gun, making undead is like creating a basic AI that feels malice and has a subroutine to kill and destroy all when not currently being currently tasked with running any other .exe file at the moment

>>54278945
>>54278965
Metacreativity Psion.
Spheres Conjuration Specialist.

>>54278945
A Fighter with Leadership.
Or Warlord with Leadership of PoW is allowed.

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>>54278901
What adventures can a level 3 gestalt Hidden Blade(Rogue)/Evoker and a Ranger/Druid of Lurue have in a fishing village in not!Greece?

They're stuck there for a week waiting for allergy medicine to distill.

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Does anyone have a map of Druma that looks like this?

>>54278853
Is there a link?

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>>54279035
I meant to reply to OP.

>>54279055
I'd prefer to keep the links private for now, until I have at least Bloodforge up and navigable. As it stands right now I'm filling out content and THEN getting it easier to navigate, which is gonna be a pain in my ass in the future. I'm gonna crash soon anyhow.

>>54278889
Fuck OFF Vult.

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>How to have a Skelebro without being a scumbag Necromancers
>Learn either Animate Object, or specialize in the Enhancement Sphere and take the animation options
>Take a Skeleton, either real or artificial, either separated or connected with wires/hinges
>It's an inanimate object, so animate that shit, either all as one thing or as multiple individual pieces
>Congratulations, you have a bonebro
>Dip some in Creation, and limit your abilities to "bone" or what have you, and now you can do all kinds of crazy shit with them like spontaneous skeleblades, or bonewheels, or turning them into self driving bone bikes or carriages, or anything else really
>Or maybe dip into Telekinesis or Alteration, and have flying death skellies
>None of which is actually Necromancy
>And because it's not undead, it won't be killed by healing spells and channels and shit.
Jeez, that wasn't so hard, now was it? The only other quibble to deal with is how your culture/society views using the remains of the dead, but even that can be circumvented using animal bones and skeletons instead, or making fake skeletons out of wood or metal or what have you.

>>54279101
Dude that's not even Vult.
Has "Vult" just become a byword for weird lewd bullshit? Like "Judas" for traitors?

>>54279175
>implying it's not a Vult sockpuppet so he can get off on more PC rape
It's clearly just PLD "lite" to sucker more lewdfags in so they can fucking shit up the thread more with their goddamn logs.

>>54279133
Animated objects aren't mobile skeletons like an undead. They're just bones ragdolling everywhere.

You ever think all these lewd games will just lead to people thinking using DSP stuff is a massive pervert.

>>54279229
But the primary rape game doesn't have any DSP

AWOO

>>54279246
>rape
Not just rape just Lewd in general. I guess that extends to third party stuff in general. You're first exposure to Legendary Games via a game where "monsters drag your adventurer body off to do very NSFW things" will leave a good impression on most people.

>>54279263
I mean, I don't apply to these games because honestly, while I don't mind lewd fuckery on the side, if it distracts from the game then wahts the point

>>54279263
All pathfinder players are already perverts.

But either way, being mindful of the reputation of 3pp companies isn't something that should stop players playing what they want among themselves.

So.
This spell: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/h/hypnotism/

>While the subject is fascinated by this spell, it reacts as though it were two steps more friendly in attitude. This allows you to make a single request of the affected creature (provided you can communicate with it). The request must be brief and reasonable. Even after the spell ends, the creature retains its new attitude toward you, but only with respect to that particular request.

How long does it take for the implanted request to actually wear off? Is the request something that has to be fulfilled within hours, minutes? Rounds, even? Because I'm a little confused as to whether that effect ends with the spell's actual duration, or whether it might persist for longer.

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>>54279193
>Implying it wouldn't be unsettling to fight a QWOP Skeleton
All holes aside, what makes you say that? Animate Object does not say how an object moves, only that it does as appropriate and controlled by its master. So if your concentrating on the effect or if you specify it when you spend the spell point, you can have it fight as a meat person would if your want.

Or, you.can take full advantage of having an animate collection of bones, and have them move around and fight like either a blender of bones and blades, or like Monsoon.

And don't you pretend that it wouldn't be rad as fuck to have a Monsoon Skelly, which is something you ain't getting with the normal Necromantic variety

Seriously, this way is superior in every way to the vanilla necro Skelly, synergizes better with other spheres and tactics, and has none of the usual baggage associated with it. Time to get with the times, and join the Enhancement Master Race.

Plus, if smelliest aren't your think, you can easily do the same with with stuff like puppets, mannequins that look creepily slot like your sister, suits of armor, vehicles, Taxidermy, Crosstitch, A giant paper machete and wood replica of some popular children's storybook character, the remains of that golem that I sto-borrowed from your friend before he died in that unfortunate alchemist fire incident which totally wasn't my fault quit asking about it okay before I turn you into a toad, or anything else really. Sky's the fucking limit, all you need are the cajones to try and fuck said sky

>>54279325
We already had a huge autistic argument about this months ago. Just look at the bestiary for examples of animated objects.

>>54279350
I wasn't here for that discussion, and considerimg this is being animated via Spheres than the usual means, I don't see how anything in the rules would imply an animated sack of bones would do nothing but ragdoll. If anything, it sounds like complete hogwash that a suit of armor can be animated and move properly, as can weapons and such, yet a cadaver cannot. So I must say that I think you are absolutely full of shit

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Tell me, /pgg/, have you ever started with a basic concept and had it develop into something more? An idea that was simple at first, but evolved into something crazy, and quite possibly awesome?

I just finished doing that. I was initially just going to have some basic werewolf huntress out in the middle of nowhere. But, with wanting to amp up my character's power, I went with OD Warder (for wisdom synergy), and the Greater Werewolf Prestige Class, and since I was going with a shapeshifter anyways, I figured I'd pick up Chimera Soul as one of my disciplines.

Originally, my character was just supposed to be a person out in the wilderness, minding their own business. Now I have a priestess of a flesh-shaping goddess who sees her shapeshifting as a way to join the ranks of divinity, who obsesses over adding more to herself, and will pursue any new creature she finds to drink its blood, eat its heart, and add its power to herself. I probably would have ended up going with an Ungermaw if Gonzo was available, but alas, I got this crazy shit instead.

>>54279490
Fear the Old Blood.

>>54279490
Isn't there an SoP Shifter Archetype that gets initiating? This seems like it would be perfect for this idea.

Also, Vicar Amelia is best girl

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>>54279526
If there is, I don't know it, and I'll admit I'm not too eager to take it; I don't know SoP, and it's a pretty robust subsystem that I just don't have the time to learn.

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So /pfg/
Lets say I have a robot dog
That I can give the martial training feats
What disciplines do you suggest

>>54279604
Fair enough, just to let you know though that everything you described for the character is basically the modus operandi for the Shifter class for SoP and most all of its archetypes

>>54279605
Primal Fury is an obvious choice. Though Fool's Errand would be kinda cool for it.

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>>54278889
Gonzo allowed?

Oh boy oh boy, can I be a Storyteller or is that shit too broken for you?

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/storyteller

Legend of Old (Su): At 3rd level, the storyteller can summon a legendary figure from the tales of old. The storyteller selects a particular figure that remains constant throughout his adventures. The legendary hero takes the form of a character of any class, whose level is equal to the storytellers level +2. The storyteller can only call upon the power of the legendary figure for so long. At 3rd level, he can use this ability for a number of rounds per day equal to 8 + his Charisma modifier. At each level after 3rd a storyteller can use legend of old for 2 additional rounds per day.

Summoning the legend of old is a standard action, but it can be maintained each round as a free action (as a storyteller must dramatically describe or otherwise narrate actions taken by his legendary figure after he has done them). The legend of old cannot be dispelled, but it ends immediately if the storyteller is killed, paralyzed, stunned, knocked unconscious, or otherwise prevented from taking a free action to maintain it each round. The legend of old is easily distinguishable as a fantastic being, appearing semi-translucent with striking and sometimes exaggerated features.

The legend of old always possesses average hit points per hit die, and his health and daily abilities remains constant between summonings. He regains hit points and uses of his abilities when the storyteller rests for 8 hours. When summoned, the legend appears with gear whose value cannot exceed the value shown for a character of his level on Table: 12-4 Character Wealth by Level in Chapter 12 of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook. These items have a fantastic look to them, and are melded with the legend of old; no other creature can wield or use equipment the legend of old brought with them.

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Let's say that I am either a gestalt or multiclass dread who is using broken dreams style with devastating touch. What's a good secondary class to pummel those streetfighters to dust with my psycho power?

>>54279658
Either Steelfist Commando Warlord or some kind of Zealot. If only MC and no Gestalt, then take the Awakened Blade PrC

>>54279627
I thought about Chimera soul too, but I'm fairly certain that would mix poorly with the chainsaw i plan to mount on it

>>54279682
If you wanna give him a chainsaw, then Black Seraph, Cursed Razor, Primal Fury, and maybe Eternal Guardian are what you want

>>54279713
Primal fury is looking like the most fitting choice.

Scarlet throne would be neat too, but is probably less applicable

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>>54279325
Why do I get the feeling a Wizard made this post?

>>54279673
A steelfist commando's fists count as manufactured and natural for the purposes of feats/spells. So they could get masterwork transformation cast on their fist. They could also then get it enchanted like a weapon. Then they could get the transformative quality put on for ten thousand gold and turn their fist into other weapons.

Though I think anyone can do the last one with an amulet of mighty fists and transformative.

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Sorry if this sounds silly but is there a guide or something that explains how Power Points work for DSPs psionics?

>>54279658
I should finish that soul-power PrC I was working on a while back.

>>54279888
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/psionic-powers/

scroll down to section on power points, read in entirety.

>>54279888
It's simple
You have a pool of points, as denoted by your class.
Each Power has a point cost that you need to spend to use the power
You can also spend more points than the normal cost to activate ways to improve said power, as listed in said power.
You cannot spend more points per power than your manifester level (only 1 point at lvl1, 5points at lvl 5, etc)

Power Points are regained when you rest.

>>54279971
>>54279962
This helps a little. I dont know if I am just tired or too dumb to get it right now.

>>54279229
No, but I came to the conclusion that all 4chan games are shit.

>>54278883
Undead naturally organize themselves into militaries to destroy all life. Even mindless ones. If that ain't evil I don't know what is.

New Pathfinder player here.

How important is rust protection for Martial classes and how can one obtain it?

>>54280161
There is an alchemical creation that protects it. It normally doesn't come up unless you're fighting a creature that induces rust. The alchemical item is cheap so keep a few vials around just in case.

>>54280161
Basically worthless. No sane GM ever uses rust monsters

I'm fairly sure Adamantine weapons are immune, and I'm certain silver ones are

>>54280177
Ah, Silversheen right? I'll get some of that!

Is there any other weapon material that is worth using? Adamantite doesn't seem worth compared to just upgrading your weapon to +4 instead

>>54280161
Most DM's concern themselves with rust so you're going to want to enchant your armor with corrosive resistance the first chance you have the gold to do so. You're pretty much boned if you don't have a way of protecting yourself from rust.

>>54280161

Depends mostly on the campaign. its always a nice back up, but generally a few wooden weapons won't do you any harm.

Clubs have no GP cost. take as many as you want.

>>54280184
Generally material matters more for armor than weapons. A 10 ring sword + weapon material master can be interesting.

Silver helps pass DR.

>>54280184
Adamantine weapons are amazing. Ignoring hardness 20 has a lot of uses

Thoughts on the Dominions applicants?

>>54280161
There's an item called a Rust Gauntlet. It lets you rust something away once a day I think, and also gives you immunity to rusting, if I recall.

>>54280242
>Trap
>Dude
>Dude
>Dude
>Dude
>Dude
>Slut

I have high hopes.

>>54280242

Self shilling time?

>>54280274
Go for it!

>>54280221
Is that really of any use to builds that don't use sunder that much?

>>54280296
You don't need to sunder in combat to make use of Adamantine.

Locked chest? Cut the hinges off.
Constructs with hardness? Enjoy dealing full damage,
Need to break any material with hardness less than 20? Adamantine cuts through it like butter. You can stab through stone with an adamantine sword

>>54280323
I thought Hardness was the same thing as DR when it came to constructs? So that a magic weapon would go through it

>>54280330
Nope.

Things that work on DR don't work on Hardness.

>>54278707
Reviews aren't cancer, they're generally a pretty positive way to find flaws and improve on writing. What's cancer is the fanboys who obsess over specific apps, and spam threads with toxic garbage about how x person is a shit.

>>54280330
No, hardness works the same way for constructs as it does for objects. A lot of constructs have DR in addition to their hardness as well.

What with all the fetish campaigns going on I've been kicking around the idea of putting out a campaign that isn't fetishy... Well okay it's probably somebody's fetish but I digress.

The basic premise would have the players being called on to act as the Dominion of the Black's earthly vassals/heralds and would follow them growing in power and incluence, stomping out heroes and adventuring parties and preparing the world for gross body horror alien invasion. Is this something anybody would be interested in?

>>54280397
Personally, not really, I like start of darkness style campaigns, but the body horror aspect is what loses me. Though I'm sure there are plenty of others looking for such a campaign, there was something conceptually similar on Roll20 a few months back with a somewhat similar idea, including body horror, that had a fair number of apps.

>>54280330
Magic weapon plusses or type-composition other than Adamantine only deal with DR of the non " X/- " variety.

Adamantine specifically ignores hardness BELOW 20: that is to say, it does not reduce hardness 20 or higher AT ALL. But what does that leave us?

... Anything.
Damn near anything.

Any material softer than adamantine is getting its hardness ignored unless it has +3 (hardness 15 types like mithral or some skymetals) enhancement bonus

Any material roughly equivalent to steel doesn't stand a chance unless it's been enchanted to +5

Any material SOFTER than steel or bronze is sliced into for full damage unless it's gotten the Impervious enhancement along with at least +3 (for stone) or more enhancement bonus.

That means a warrior with a big fat twohander made of adamantine can open doors almost anywhere, no matter whether or not there's actually supposed to even be a doorway there.

It's even worse if you get a nice big autofire or line-striker weapon like a Railgun or a Maxim with adamant bullets: as long as it's not stopped by DR/Hardness, by the rules (so if it deals at least 1hp) the weapon continues downrange... Which means you're now capable of digging *corridors* for the party.

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>>54280397
Tentacles

>>54278995
A magic lightning sword that summons a flying lightning chariot pulled by lightning oxen.

Links to current games that haven't started yet?

>>54278742
Someone should be euthanized for that choice of font.

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>>54280553
Even the undead guy is squinting at it and going "what the fuck"

>>54280581
At first I thought it was just descriptive text at the top, sort of "in-character", but then I realized that it extended to everything except the stat block. I'm kinda blown away that someone thought that was a good idea.

>>54280553
It's like one of the writers made a font out of his own handwriting, grotty.

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Have you done it yet, /pfg/?

>>54280611
Yes. I'm happy their new game is off to a good start!

>>54280431
Bullets would just create bullet-sized holes, though, through most materials, now wouldn't they? Useful to stop a robot or a truck, not so much to make your way through a bulkhead.

...is there any way to make Adamantium Grenades? Just rip things open with pinapple bombs.

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>>54280611
I do my games in person, and I was able to run the first session last weekend.

>>54280611
..killed someone I really love? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>54280611
I want to PM my discord crush and ask them to RP but I don't know how, what should I say? We're not in games together how would I even pitch the idea?

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>>54280623
Why aren't you joining them in the game?

>>54280650
Didn't get accepted, because I didn't apply. Honestly, I couldn't even think of a way to make an app, beyond just something that'd feel phoned in or silly and for the latter I think Broodie had me beat.

And on top of that it was conflicting with a game I'm already running.

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>>54280672
Are you an Ensoulment reject?

>>54280692
>didn't apply
I don't know, does that count as rejection?

>>54280601
Well technically the who bestiary is "in character", as in its supposed to be a guide book to all the monsters that could be found in the academy, written by a former student and proliferated through the school and student body

But yeah, putting it in the stat boxes is definitely too much

>>54280756
That doesn't make the decision any better, it's still ugly and makes it difficult to read, use side boxes and art to do that kind of stuff, including it in the main text just feels... Amateurish.

Using 1pp classes/archetypes what is the best skill monkey/jack of all trades class?

I want to try and build a character that is based around having the right skills and tools for any problem at the right time. I am thinking of having stuff like Well-Prepared or Brilliant Planner feat for the rare instances of mundane items and potions or whatever. And having Master Work tools, and other kits like artisan kit, climbers kit, or alchemist kit. Maybe a grappling hook idk. Be the guy with the utility belt with everything you need. I know Bards have the leg up on Rogues cause they have Bardic Knowledge. I am leaning towards bard but then again, Rogues have been called skill monkeys for a reason.

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>>54280832
I N V E S T I G A T O R
E M P I R I C I S T

>>54280832
Check out the Phantom Thief archetype for Rogue. It's my favorite archetype in the game.

>>54280832
I'm gonna second Empiricist Investigator. It's almost literally sherlock homes if he had access to magical potions and WBL far beyond even a british aristocrat.

>>54280838
>>54280884
This sounds very interesting And it helps consolidate skills into one ability, Int.

>>54280860
This takes it to the extreme in skill monkeyness. But do you believe that it is worth trading out sneak attack? A defining feature in a rogue? I mean delayed sneak attack progression maybe, but straight out removing it?

>>54280921
Losing sneak attack on Phantom Thief really fucks your already questionable combat capacity. Practically speaking, probably not worth it but I love the early access skill unlocks so much.

Your only really practical combat build is DEX 2h with intimimancy. I think it's the strongest at skills in 1pp though.

>>54278889
>This is the thread where you post your questions regarding this absolute travesty.

Are you the anon that was talking about running a lewd game to drain the lewdness out of other games or something?

Is there a list of drugs in the rules somewhere? I'd like to add some to my current campaign, especially anything with a big boost followed by a big crash. Something whose benefits would actually tempt your average PC, even knowing how it'll effect them afterwards.

>>54280984
Check Archives of Nethys. They've got a pretty extensive list.

>>54280802
I'm getting flashbacks to primary school.

'I just discovered word-art'

>>54280984
This has some useful rules and information http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/afflictions/drugs/

>>54280832
I also forgot to mention useful items like Traveler's Any-Tool to cover for most of the craft and prof checks. And piece-meal weapon to have a weapon be on my anytime I need it.

>>54280838
Questioner is better

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>>54280984
>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gameMasteryGuide/drugsAndAddiction.html

>>54281018
>>54281022
>>54281028
Oh man, this looks like a good start!

>>54281026
What does the Questioner have over the Empiricist in terms of being the ultimate skill monkey/jack of all trades?

>>54280644
Does she play any kind of real RPG already, and how is your contact with her? Provided you've already got some kind of casual contact with her, I suggest "Hey, how are you? Would you be interested in playing in an RP, bla bla bla, it's such and such, we play so and so, and we're looking for another player and I thought of you for reasons completely unrelated to me crushing on you hard" or something to that effect.

Like, no big deal or anything, just looking for another player and I think you're sorta cool or whatever.

>>54281075
Isn't that kind of disingenuous, though? How do you actually let them know you like them without making it seem like a joke or spilling your spaghetti?

>>54281053
The only way I can see that it's an improvement is that it doesn't make the capstone worse, which is kind of meaningless. Base inspiration is worse, spellcasting is debatably worse, Know-it-all is kind of nice, but it's debatable if it's any better than getting int on a bunch of skills.

>>54281082
"I like you".

That said, until you're ready for that, you invite them to shit and try to build a connection, see if they're interested or like you too, etc. Nothing disingenuous about it, you're not tricking anyone or lying. You're just inviting a person you happen to like to do something you happen to like doing, in the least spergtasric way there is to do it.

Can you fully use unarmed strikes with all attacks done using strikes that mix unarmed and weapons like windmill waltz flurry?

>>54281197
If the weapon has the Monk quality, or is a Blade of the Sword Saint, then yes. Otherwise, no.

>ywn be able to change the mindset that negative energy is evil

I wish someone competent would do something other than the status quo when it comes to undead. Why can't we have a good guy skelington who is trying to make the best of his situation or a lich that protects the realm.

>>54281281
>Why can't we have a good guy skelington who is trying to make the best of his situation or a lich that protects the realm.

>implying that shit isn't the same cliche as 'chaotic good drow ranger with 2 scimitars'

Is there a way for an Eastern character to use an Eastern weapon without paying for EWP?

>>54281324
Tell your DM that this shit is retarded and that there's literally no reason a Fighter from Tian-Xia wouldn't know how to use Tian-Xia weapons. Alternatively, Ancestral Weapon or racial proficiencies.

>>54281197
Yes. Read the stuff at the beginning more carefully.

You people are fucking obsessed with Vult, you know that?

>>54281324
A monk gains access to a fair number of them, but not nearly all. There's also the option of refluffing the western weapons since they're more to serve as generic templates. What weapons in particular are you looking at?.

>>54281360
wat

So /pfg/, how would I go about making a dhampir paladin? I'm reluctant to spend a feat on Life-Dominant Soul, will I just have to suck it up and deal with it? Or can I just grab a wand of Inflict Light Wounds? And if I don't grab the feat, will I be hurting myself every time I use Lay on Hands to heal someone else?

>>54281360
>Vult said to no one in particular, hoping to garner more attention

>>54281324
Eastern Weapons aren't automatically Exotic.

For instance a Monk's Spade is just Martial.

>>54281397
>monk's spade is Martial
>but a repeating crossbow, which is like a bolt-action but even simpler to learn to use, is Exotic
My brain is about to hit warpspeed

>>54281291
Maybe but it doesn't make it bad, no person is inherently evil. The status quo dictates all skelingtons are evil when it could be so much more than that. If a person is raised as an intelligent undead and is given control of their actions, status quo and everyone assumes said skelington goes apeshit and starts killing things just because. Theres a ton of stuff that can be done with undead as not just pure evil. If warhammer can do it I don't see why other settings couldn't.

>>54281408
And a Bo Staff is also exotic.

Literal STICK is exotic.

Don't try and think about it too hard.

But yeah, Eastern as a grouping may as well not exist. It's got simple martial exotic like everything else.

>>54281416
A Skellington is mindless. There are good liches and shit in 3.5e, and generally speaking "Always X" in alignment is an extreme form of "Usually X", with the added caveat that a Neutral Lich still gets smacked with Smite Evil because he's Undead, and Smite Evil also works on the undead.

>>54280611
>local immortal gives talk about mortality

>>54281433
Nah, Smite Evil only works on EVIL Undead.

Unless you have Oath Against Undeath, then it works on all Undead.

>>54281502
>Any Evil
>Always Neutral Evil
>Always Lawful Evil
>Always Chaotic Evil
There's no such thing as nonevil undead in PF, they might not always act evilly since surely there's at least one or two spectres somewhere that managed to keep their minds in control, but the actuality of their existence is inherently evil. It's the same reason necromancers will be Lawful Evil even if they're basically Neutral / Chaotic Good, because raising dead is inherently an evil action.

>>54281523
But only because Pharasma said so. Don't get how a TN deity became any sort of moral authority.
Besides I dsitincly remember a CN Attic Whisper in Undead Unleashed and good ghosts in some APs

Am now awake, so I will repost this because it got forgotten in the last thread.

FIENDISH INTRIGUE CHARGEN
>Lv3 start, 25pb, WBL plus campaign bonuses
>HP: Max 1, average or roll for subsequent levels
>Background Skills in effect
>Elephant in the Room Feat Tax in effect
>Emerging guns
>2 Traits +1 for drawback
>Bonus Campaign Traits in effect: 1 campaign trait, 1 faction-specific campaign trait (including unaffiliated options)
>Higher tier Faction bonuses can give you Limited Prestigestalt, free VMC with extra spice and similar things
>SPECIAL PRESTIGE CLASS RULES
>The first Prestige Class you take is considered to be your Favored Class for the purpose of gaining FCB and what FCBs you can take
>You gain the Prestigious Spellcaster feat ONCE for free upon entering any casting PRC with less than 10/10 casting, without prereqs
>You gain the Favored Prestige Class feat upon entering a non-casting PRC

BANLIST/3PP LIST:
3pp/Homebrew by case
Initiators (classes and archetypes) banned, PoW feats and Martial Training allowed
Legendary/N.Jolly allowed
Psionics ??? (possibly allowed)
Spheres ??? (probably allowed)
Avowed ??? (possibly allowed)

campaign pitch coming soon, listing too

>>54281502
Undead are always evil, save for the rare cases of templates. This is because of what animates them as noted with the spartolos.

"Although spartoi detect as being of evil alignment, this is merely because the necromantic magic animating them has a fundamentally evil nature"

>>54281547
Why chargen before story pitch?

>>54281547
What about Noble Scion?

>>54281523
Except the subject in question was a NEUTRAL Lich you shitwhistle.

There's no mechanical reason that Undead can't be nonevil, and nonevil undead have existed in official Pathfinder stuff multiple times.

>>54281553
Except it doesn't work like that for all undead. A nonevil undead won't ping as evil unlike something with the actual Evil subtype.

Spartoi are just weird I guess. That or the writing is inconsistent yaaaaay

>>54281554
Because I've already posted the "preliminary" pitch previously, now I'm just writing up the real one which needs a bit more work. Gimme a bit.
>>54281560
I take it this is not the "literally an npc" PRC you're talking about?

>>54281568
Well then give an example of an evil undead that isn't another creature with a template.

>>54281576
It's "Leadetship" the PRC

>>54281576
>I take it this is not the "literally an npc" PRC you're talking about?
No, this one gives you lots of money and some social skill bonuses. I guess it also gives you some kind of cohort/leadership thing, idk it is all very vague and not as important as the money.

>>54281582
Bruh.

You can have nonevil DEMONS.

Things physically and spiritually made of evil energy can be nonevil.

>>54281568
>Except the subject in question was a NEUTRAL Lich you shitwhistle.
Look at Hupia my nigger, from Beastiary VI. They are literally the very image of True Neutral, all they fucking want is peace and quiet in their little own undead village, and although it'd be nice if they had some living company, they don't need it and won't harm people to get it, they even try to get out of the way of adventurers who they know will try to kill them. Look at Attic Whisperers, who don't even harm you they just want you to talk with them. They're STILL NEUTRAL EVIL.

>>54281595
>very vague
Stop lying so you can abuse leadership and the full level cohort.

>>54281599
Not that anon, logically yes. But when has Paizo ever been logical?

>>54281553
But here's the thing, why is necromantic energy inherently evil? The sun can literally give you cancer but it's seen as a good thing by everyone.

>>54281605
But cohorts are made for abusing! They are there to serve you. In all things!

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>>54281582
Suck my dick

>>54281621
Cuz pharasma's a pissy bitch.

And paizo is dumb.

>>54278653
>Dat ass

>>54281583
>>54281595
I guess I never read the thing properly, because that was the one I was talking about. Oh well.
I mean, the fluff is interesting and there could definitely be a reason for a noble of actual clout involving himself in the campaign, and this will be reflected in Factions; I'm not too keen on the WBL/Leadershipmancy this PRC brings, though, but Leadership itself is probably going to be allowed...

Tell you what - I might disallow taking the PRC as a normal class, but give it as an option for factions prestigestalt. That ensures you actually have to earn influence to gain influence, rather than just kill stuff for xp.

>>54281624
Variants are unique creatures, don't count, same with>>54281599

>>54281637
Nice moving of goalposts

>>54281637
So variants just dont exist is what you're saying?

>>54281637
>variants don't count when I say so

Nice going fuccboi

>>54281655
Yes. There are no variants, they are naught but hot air, an illusion you can't disbelieve.

>>54281633
Could be fun. Obviously you make sure your players work with you whenever leadership is allowed.

>>54281627
Its a damn shame that every setting is practically like that. I think the one setting that did something with it is eberron and karnath.

>>54281637
If anything, variants count MORE. They're evidence that doing said thing is cool by the devs.

>>54281547
>>Elephant in the Room Feat Tax in effect
What?

>>54281683
Yes, but this is /pgg/, you are supposed to hate every choice Paizo makes and anything they say or approve is automatically evil in a grand display of irony.

>>54281699
http://michaeliantorno.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/
are you new?

>>54281705
RIP Erastil. You will always be welcomed at our hearths.

>>54280267
>Slut
>20 Cha, 18 Con
>7 Int 7 Wis
>Doesn't own a drop of Night Tea

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What's the best Tiefling variant for an Ungermaw?

SRD down?

>>54281794
Demodand. So that you can be a fatty.

>>54281814
I thought about that, but I don't like the fluff about personal hygiene. Maybe he could be an exception to the norm and actually take care of himself?

Where's the slut meta at nowadays?

>>54281811
Doesn't appear to be, my dude, are you getting an error or something?

>>54281851
Thicc is in a recession. Young, dumb and eager is seeing a surge in popularity.

>>54281857
so shits gone full circle then?

>>54281854
Was getting a 502 Bad Gateway, seems to be better now.

>>54281857
Yeah but what game do I app to as a stiletto boot dancing girl?

Someone link to all recruiting /pfg/ games pls

>>54281865
I wouldn't say full circle, we've always been down for thicc but as of late... Wait, my speculations were unfounded; Anka might count as slut meta, and she's got a solid rack. The meta seems to be focusing on an attractive young woman with one or two fatal flaws; Renpa is impressionable and dumb, Anka is addicted to Numerian Fluids and is kind of a bitch.

>>54281904
The upcoming Fiendish Intrigue?

>>54280242
Any app in particular?

Finished the pitch writeup. It's too long to post here, so I'll get the listing up and post it. But here's the TLDR:

>Big Chelish noble family run by a powerful and secretive patriarch
>Family has hands in a lot of cookie jars in both trade and internal politics
>Suddenly rumormongering intensifies, implies internal trouble in the house - rubbing of hands intensify among the family's rivals
>Ding-dong, secret message just for you
>"I totally just want you to deliver a secret package to my brother, honest, no trickery, also I was merely pretending to be dead" t. Elvargian
>Are you a bad enough guy to learn the secrets of Power Word: Intrigue?
>Also watch out for nobles, greedy merchants, weird cults and who knows what else, because everyone wants a piece of this tasty cake

Listing shortlyish.

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>>54282449
Say... There are a few powerful Chelish noble families that currently exist, are you using any of them? The Henderthane family in particular seems well-suited for political intrigue.

>>54282575
I have several factions in play, but I am working on increasing their number, particularly on the noble houses side. Are they on the wiki or do I need to dig deeper for info on them?

>>54280484
Magic items.

>>54282609
>Are they on the wiki or do I need to dig deeper for info on them?

They're on the wiki. House Henderthane is among the Great Houses in Cheliax, and the iron fist of House Thrune as they supply the vast majority of arms and armor to the Infernal Empire - alas, the family patriarch Einmarch Henderthane's reach extended his grasp, and he began a decades-long conspiracy with the devil Orxines that resulted in the immediate family being executed for treason in something now known as the Henderthane Affair. This understandably has created a power vacuum within the Great Houses that many are eager to fill.

>>54281922
I dunno man, I feel like the meta right now is kind of whatever.

>>54281392
Nice try, Vult

>>54281360
Vult, fuck off

>>54281922
>Renpa is impressionable and dumb

How impressionable? How dumb?

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What group of people in Golarion has the greatest smug potential?

>>54282758
As impressionable and dumb as a bright-eyed brown-girl fresh out of her tribe in the desert could be... With 7 Wisdom and 7 Intelligence.

>>54282763
elves

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>>54282763
Taldans, easily. Smug is all they've got.

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>>54282787
Are these two related? Both are apparently rakshasa tieflings who look like giraffes.

>>54282779
>7 WIS
>7 INT
Better hope there aren't any robot hounds out in the Numerian wastes!

>>54282813
>All the loser PFS Decemvirate were just members of the same inbred family of Rakshasa-spawned giraffe people

I could see it.

>>54282763
This can be broken up into categories.

>Smuggest non-human race
Elves, specifically those living in Kyonin.

>Smuggest human ethnicity
Keleshites, particularly Qadirans

>Smuggest (unwarranted) human ethnicity
Taldan, from Taldor

>Least smug race
Halflings

>Least smug Human ethnicity
Kellid

>>54281922
I'm feeling shortstack metal. Between Cynn and Fenny (And you know Fenny is probably packing behind that armor), we've already got two.

>>54282818
Renpa is in Dominions of Vice, silly! She's in Osirion!

Because I'm completely unoriginal I'm going to roll Trevor Belmont using Inquisitor class and probably 9 pieces whip as weapon, any recommended feat?

>1/2

>b-but much Neg En isn't evil!
And no where is it stated so, quit projecting you retarded trigglypuffs!
It's not the Neg En itself that makes undead evil, when confined to its plane or serving it's original purpose as a byproduct of reality it's not evil.

However, the creation of undead is not Neg En's original purpose, it is a corruption and horrendous misuse of it done for selfish reasons. It is forcing decay and entropy to function the opposite way it is meant to exist, and perverts the natural fucking order you retarded snowflakes. Because of this Undead are evil not because of the Neg En, nor was that ever the reason, but because the way they are made using said Neg En runs contradictory to the natural order of the universe, causing them to exist as malignant lesion that is antithetical to reality and thus unstable and overly destructive in nature.

Using Negative Energy to create undead is like using a singularity to create a crappy and poorly built rape-bot. It doesn't matter the intent, it's still a rape-bot, and your trying to force a power beyond your measure to function in a way counter intuitive to control to perform a function it's not meant to have, and then being indignant when someone points out that the containment is faulty and that it's vacuum is sucking out all the atmosphere on the planet.

Holy shit why are Necromancers so retarded, and why do you keep using the same retarded strawmen over and fucking over even when told they're fucking wrong?

You want a Skelebro? Fine, them fuck off to the Negative Energy plane, so that it can at least be contained and no dangerous, even though eventually their own corrupted existence will mean even they will eventually be destroyed by the power of the Plane once exposed to enough pure Negative Energy. Perhaps next time you won't try to make a fuckdamned pet by using that is essentially the fantasy version of the fucking Anti-Life Equation.

>>54282902
All of whip mastery if you want to do something more than tickle anything with a hide thicker than a paper towel.

>>54282911
>2/2

And if that can't go through your thick skulls, maybe a simpler metaphor is needed, one that can reference something your primitive mind might know. Here: Undead are to Negative Energy, what Crested Heartless are to Darkness. Hopefully using baby's first JRPG will actually get you to understand what the fuck it is you're doing, and why what you're doing is retarded.

>>54282852
>Osirion
JACKALED

>>54282911
Please learn to type like someone who isn't suffering from terminal retardation.

>>54282930
>>54282911
Pharasma still won't sleep with you, Anon, but nice try.

>>54282954
Fuck off, Kawase

>>54282930
>>54282911
I completely agree with you, anon, but if Necromancers don't get it now they never will!

>>54282939
>>54282852
Part of me feels like Rinpa shouldn't know Common, just Osirioni.

>>54282974
What?

>>54283010
Osirion is Cheliax owned, Cheliax speaks common and Cheliax is not going to learn your language if they conquer you.

>>54283034
>Osirion is owned by Cheliax

Nani? It's their own kingdom, and Osirioni is the most spoken language in Garund.

>>54283034
Yeah, it was Qadiran owned, but not Cheliax

>>54282961
And both Urgathoa and Vecna are bitchy assholes who will never show you any form of actual affection, so I guess that makes us even

>>54282954
I just woke up, fuck you. Unlike you ratting bastards I still need to sleep just as nature intended. Besides, at least this was my brain hasn't been corroded by constant unsafe exposure of to Negative Energy, meaning unlike you I can actually construct a proper argument based in planar theory that doesn't boil down to "but much dancing skellies though"

Seriously, Necromancers are like the rabid SJWs of the magical community. At least fucking druids don't make any bones about trying to justify the morality of their craft, just the epistemological justification therein.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Did I just use too many big words just now? I know I should dumb things down for a magic school dropout such as your ilk.

>>54283060
Welp, you are right, I must've had a stroke of autism when I read about not!Egypt.

>>54283077
I'm not involved in this argument, I just want you to spell correctly and use capitals / spacing as appropriate so I can read your post without wanting to choke someone.

>>54282223
What do you think of my app-trap, anon?

>>54283077
t. Dean of the Arcane Healing department
How's that arcane equivalent for Cure Light Wounds coming along?

>>54283112
We just can't figure out it, so instead we invented time travel to reverse time on the target's wounds until they've recovered. Unfortunately fine control is hard, so the best we can manage is reverting the target to an unfertilized egg/sperm combo.

>>54283124
Pretty great, infernal healing is even better than CLW for long term wand use.

>>54283077
>implying Urgathoa isn't blowing me right now

How can Pharasmins even compete?

>>54283182
...Wat?

>>54283214
It's rather simple: Pharasman aren't so hopped up on glue that they think the one dollar whore giving them a sad handjob with a sockpuppet is their goddess. And I am pretty sure that your mother won't approve of your necrophilia.

>>54283244
She didn't approve of my incest or cannibalistic murder either, but it's not like she can complain about it now!
Some people just can't appreciate a good time.

Anyone have a list of games that are currently recruiting?

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>>54283267
Son, this is a Christan board.

Is the additional traits feat ever worth taking at level 1?

Looking at swapping raging vitality for Reactionary & armor expert

>>54283301
Not anymore, spoilsport.
Life is dull without the blessing of sensation! Now, which app should I eat today?

>>54283124
Fuck off that isn't my department. Planar Energy Physics is my minor, while my major is Arcane and Planar Ecology. Though my buddy Frank in said department has been working on ways to make a viable alternative to Infernal Healing, and is part of the University's new research and application crew in using directed and controlled Negative Energy to create directed cellular death and destruction in order to cure cancer, ie what we should be using Negative Energy for, not for kludging together false life in barren bones in a blasphemy against the actual damned function of the Energy.

Seriously, you Necromancers are infuriating. You have the power of a whole plane at your fingertips, and all you use it for is to just fuck up yourself and the universe around. It's as retarded as using ambient Positive Energy to make electricity whilst simultaneously sucking the planet bone dry of it and depleting it's natural store. Sure, you'll power a lightbulb, but there are much better ways to do it, that are less destructive and won't fuck every one in the long run.

>>54283214
Affection and carnal pleasure is not the same you retarded hedonist. Your waifu doesn't love you, she loves only herself and just views you as a convenient tool for gratification

>>54282911
>>54282930
Obeying the natural order as shit fucking all to do with Good and Evil. By that definition civilization is evil because and we should all go back to shitting in woods and caves.

>>54283338
What is Love?

>>54280611
I don't have a crush, but I do my part to get people to PM their crushes.

>>54283338
So could you use a Contact Entity spell and tell me: Who is John Galt?

>>54283112
I think Aethia is one of the stronger apps. Her backstory could be consolidated to convey more information about her past. I feel it's long, but doesn't say much.

You ramble a bit about why they moved to Andoran. That can be shortened, I feel. You're fairly vague on what was making her sad and what got her into singing. Was it just a popular Andoran pasttime for teens? Was she classically educated?

I'd say more explanation of her moods throughout her youth and how she discovered her magic would be nice.

For personality, I'd advise cutting out anything that tells the reader how others react to her. Telling me people like her isn't telling me why people like her. Telling me she's pleasant to be around isn't telling me why she's pleasant to be around. Describing her as cheerful and joyous tells me she's fun to be around already.

The app language is very casual, but that's really up to preference, so it's whatever. A good app, just some spots that could use expanding or trimming. The trap thing is going to completely eclipse any conversation of her as a character, though.

>>54283352
>He thinks Cosmic Order is the same as the false order espoused by backwoods druids.
As expected of a shitty dropout who's never once picked up a book on Planar Theory and Physics

>>54283362
The emotional state of satisfaction and fulfillment that is born from the combination of empathy, respect, acceptance, understanding, altruism, longing, compassion, and joy. As in the thing which you excised from your soul in exchange for lichdom and coke, and as such will be the one sensation and emotion that will forever be out of your grasp.

>>54283418
Okay, I'll go ahead and make some changes to it now. I saw something last thread saying, essentially, 'improve on her personality', so I suppose that's one of the things I ought to try. It's not really something I'm good at.

Thank you!

>>54283417
Some dumb fuck petitioner who got turned into a Protean

>>54283424
>>He thinks Cosmic Orde
It's not, but guess what. It has nothing to do with morality. If ANYTHING, it's a Law Chaos issue.

Fuck, you're "muh natural planar order" shit breaks down because there are undead that occur naturally as well corporeal and incorporeal.

>>54283445
Okay, but tell me: Where is John Titor?

>>54283444
It can be hard to get across in apps, honestly. Still, it's a good app.

>>54283424
>not loving your vampire waifu
>not spending eternity locked in a dark embrace

What kind of Knight of Ozem pamphlets have you been reading, son?

>>54283424
Urgathoa is actually a big advocate of marriage and eternal love. It's why she likes to hang out with Naderi

>>54281857
>>54281922
>Young, dumb and eager is seeing a surge in popularity
>attractive young woman with one or two fatal flaws

What started this trend? Or is this just the Nature of the Beast known as Lust?

>>54283364
But I thought you were PMing me!

>>54283529
No, Anon, I'M PMing you. That other Anon is someone else.

>>54283529
I can if you want me to.

>>54283490
Well, I'm glad at least SOMEONE likes it!

>>54283471
>Fuck, you're "muh natural planar order" shit breaks down because there are undead that occur naturally
Considering Undead only occured after Urgathoa broke reality by being a selfish bitch afraid to go to hell, I'm pretty sure that's not very "natural". That shit is about as natural as a British Petroleum oil spill

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>GM has OCD level of need to put stupid amount of detail into the maps he makes
>we have to actually skip sessions because he sometimes cannot get it to work like he wants to
>still probably one of the best GMs to play with since he puts more effort than anyone else

Is it even possible to GM without being tiny bit autist

>>54283516
Young women with problems isn't even meta, it's practically a trope.

>>54283569
attention whore confirmed

>>54283600
I'd like to spill my oil all over those divine, undying tittays!

>>54283514
I'm pretty sure she hangs out with Naderi to corrupt her into becoming a suicide cult master, and to specifically piss off Shelyn since her espousal of true and proper love, both romantic and filial, is antithetical towards Urgathoa's doctrine of personal pleasure, carnal indulgence at the expense of others, and hard on for abortions

/pfg/, please advice: are there any cool magic items below 3180 gold that is not from Numeria?

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R8 my homebrew m8

https://pastebin.com/7akAA07L

>>54283644
It's implied (In Inner Sea Gods, iirc) that Shelyn somehow caused Urgathoa to have a more personal dispute with her.
And they're hardly that ideologically opposed when it comes to relationship dynamics. As usual, you're exaggerating. Shelyn won't sleep with you either.

>>54283630
>Wanting the cosmic bicycle
Dude, even Zyphus "high lord fedora" himself has laid with her. Fucking get some standards

>>54283611
No.

>>54283569
The game is getting less attention than Iron Gods, which is fine. I don't think the app process getting dragged here is great, since it becomes this weird popularity contest with shilling and memes. I like to give feedback, but I could definitely live without the polls and shit.

>>54283600
>I'm pretty sure that's not very "natural".
They are. Or did Urgotha suddenly spawn an entire species of Space Aliens that create undead through non magical means as part of their reproduction cycle?

anyone else fucking gay?

>>54283611
As long as everyone's having fun, I don't see a problem!

>>54283655
Why are the names all retarded
"chastity"
"maiden"

>>54283685
hey, thats pretty good.

>>54283664
Yeah, and you're dick rotted off and you smell like a midden, so you ain't getting laid either, despite the fact it seems to be the only thing that exists on your mind nearly 24/7

Necromancers confirmed the /r9k/ of the multiverse

>>54283651
>/pfg/, please advice: are there any cool magic items below 3180 gold that is not from Numeria?
Preferably some article of clothing, by the way, but not necessarily.

>>54283678
According to Pathfinder Lore, yes or at the very least she made their existence possible. She was the first undead, and all other undead are born from her wake

>>54283704
Not him but advanced Necromancers, considering they generally wind up as Lichs, mighty arcane spellcasters, can get laid whenever the hell they so please, since Liches also get a boost to Charisma, and being undead, lack a Con score which was probably one of their only weak points before. Basically, PAO gives them a dick, and Charm Person (which conveniently abbreviates to CP) allows them to fuck anyone.

>>54283699
Explain?

>>54283713
I dunno lore well enough, but you could probably get clothes of +5 [cha skill] from somewhere that isn't Numeria.

>>54283685
I've considered it before, but I think at best I'm a 1, maybe 1.5 on a really, really gay day. Men just aren't attractive unless they're really, really cute and feminine.

>>54283664
>Sourcing the same book that says that Urgathoa is utterly selfish in nature, is a destructive hedonist, and is indeed a corruption of the natural order right in the first paragraph of her entry
You fags aren't helping your own argument

>>54283723
She's the WORLD's first undead creature. Not the universe's first. At worst she was what introduced undead to Golarion.

>>54283736
What makes it related to chastity?
Or maidenhood?

>>54283770
>Being this booty busted that someone had the audacity to reject the rule of the Tyrant Death Pharasma.

Campaign to overthrow Pharasma when?

>>54283822
I mean, fuck Pharasma. But the Urgothoa LITERALLY eats babies. That's not like a "she's pro abortion" shot, it says that she straight up eats baby brains to savor innocence.

>>54283822
Just get a protagonist called Hel and there we go

>>54283822
when the doomsday doors are all open and papa groetus goes down to the boneyard for pharasma's booty.

She knows it is coming

>>54283809
Because Paladins, are the righteous warriors, are duty-bound to protect viginal young woman from being violated in any way possible, including offering up their own bodies as a replacement to the vile monstrous orcs that want to turn them into nothing more than a dump for their evil seed.

Duh.

>>54283809
Maiden has stopped meaning virgin, at least by Paizo standards. It just means "unmarried woman" now, hence Shelyn banging all sorts of people yet still being "The Eternal Maiden."

>>54283862
To be fair, both "virgin" and "maiden" once upon a time sometimes meant just that.

>>54283845
Oh, I'm not pro Urgathoa. I'm just against the fedora tipper who thinks negative energy plays by his rules. It's anti-positive energy, the only reason it functions to destroy is because the universe is primarily positive energy. Saying that a soul can or must be evil simply because it is made up of positive energy rather than negative energy is profoundly ignorant. This fact infuriates the Pharasman, because such creatures exist outside her control.

>>54283704
I only need the comfort of my vampire bride, Anon, but I appreciate the baseless hostility.

>>54283907
Planes of Negative and Positive Energy are both terrible places to be. In fact, most planes that are elemental anything are terrible places to be.

>>54283801
Starfinder lore confirms she was the First.

>>54283801
>Trying to argue pedantics to save face.
Holy shit this is hilarious. And even if you were right, then the other alternative is Orcus, who is a canon demon lord, and if you know anything about your old fluff you'll know that that's probably even worse for your point.

Seriously, where are you even getting this "undead are natural" schlock anyway? It sounds like retarded headcanon, and even then it does nothing to deny the earlier statements of how Negative Energy entities must and should stay exclusive to their plane.

>>54283822
Do you want Daemons raping reality and the Abyss growing bigger? Because that's how you get that. Also it's pointless because succeed or fail Groetus is coming. Hell, if you overthrow her you just may trigger him activating prematurely, thus ending the universe without Pharasma around the pick up the pieces to stitch it all back together again.

Also, you'd be pissing off Aroden, or at least his last aspect, and I don't think you want the aspect of the God of Humanity after your head. Also Sun Wukong, Osiris, a few more Tian deities, Gozreh, Erastil, Asmodeus (maybe?), and Sarenrae would try to kick your ass as well.

>>54283770
>Selfish
Not seeing the problem with this one
>Destructive Hedonist
The writers just don't understand fun
>corruption of the natural order
Pharasma needs to get laid, damn

>>54283862
>Shelyn
>banging all sorts of people

You take that back, cur

>>54283952
Akata, Ghosts, the whole "undead spawn from places where a lot of people died a once" lore..

Akata have a disease that is non magical that creates zombies to host their young. They were created as products of nature with no outside tampering.

>>54283952
I'm pretty sure someone with the power to get rid of Pharasma can probably butcher Daemons in droves and shatter Groetus into tiny apocalyptic shards.

>>54283666
Zyphus is my favorite deity

>>54283982
>>54283952
Also keep in mind Akatas are creatures of the material plane. They're living creatures that create undead as part of their fucking LIFE CYCLE and are neutral.

>>54284017
Zyphus is a fucking nerd who needs to get a job.

>>54283952
All I hear is the sound of a Pharasma worshipper screaming REEEEEEEEE while demanding to know why she isn't 50 points ahead. Just because you're afraid of the change that will come when her cruel and unjust rule is overthrown in favor of a better one, doesn't mean it is not imperative that we overthrow her. And if that means killing off Sarenrae and her more powerful snackbars, then all the better.

>>54283907
Except for the fact that the guy your trying to argue with even says that Negative Energy isn't evil, and that the only evil thing that comes from it are undead.

Also your logic is flawed. How are the planes of Negative or Positive Energy out of Pharasma's control, when she grants power over both to her clerics, and uses both to create Aeons in the boneyard? It's not Negative Energy that she can't control, it's when undead fucks abuse it to throw their own souls out of the natural cycle of souls that she gets pissy, and why she has her psychopomps regularly raid Pharasma's territory in Abbadon to take back souls she has stolen to properly send them to their rightful place.

Pharasma isn't some secretly super evil conspiracy master, she's a bureaucrat who's trying to work her shift and do her job before Groetus punches in for the next shift and lets her have her vacation time.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Ilhys for deciding that good, evil, and free will should totally be things

>>54283984
She's fucking Desna and Sarenrae and probably Cayden Chilean for all I know.

>>54284064
More accurately, Cayden Cailean is fucking Desna, Sarenrae, and Shelyn together, possibly with Kurgess.

Why do rangers get such a small list of animal companions?

>>54284046
You acknowledge it yourself in your post, the point I was trying to make. Negative Energy based souls inherently exist outside her precious cycle, and this infuriates her and her sycophantic worshipers because it means that they have achieved true freedom from her tyrannical grasp

>>54284046
I mean can you really blame a soul for not wanting to get recycled?

>>54284020
>>54283985
They are also aberrants, and probably aren't natural creatures. The jury is out on them

>>54284076
Kurgess totally is manly gay, like a jojo.

>>54284087
Because fuck rangers and the horses they rode in on.

>>54284102
Aberations can be natural, despite the phrase. The type just refers to shit that's just super goddamn weird but not necessarily artificial.

.

>>54284064
Provide published evidence

>>54284038
>>54284046
>>54284092
Pharasma needs to meet a nice man and forget about all this petty shit she worries over

>>54284136
JJ confirmed it in a forum post, I don't have it but someone here should.

>>54284174
>Forum Post
Do better, Anon.

>>54284092
Where the fuck was that even fucking stated. Stop trying to extrapolate and project meaning that isn't there.

Undead aren't "negative energy souls" you retard. They are just Souls that used negative energy as a medium to wrench themselves from the cycle. Are you retarded? Because by your own argument you're saying that Pharasma can't control any souls because Negative Energy is the essence of death, and it's because of it being a part of the material plane that things can die to begin with.

What kind of bullshit thought labyrinth are you running through to come up with this shit? Besides, it's not like she goes into the Negative Energy plane to crusade and kill things, since it's part of the cycle that actual Negative Energy Outsiders are meant to be reabsorbed into the plane. All she does is have raids on Urgathoa IN FUCKING ABBADON, NOT THE NEGATIVE ENERGY PLANE YOU DUMB FUCK (and sometimes the Abyss to raid on Orcus), to take back the souls under her jurisdiction that Urgathoa stole because she wants more aborted baby souls to snack on.

Seriously, I haven't been this astonished by obstinate idiotic headcanon since the time I went diving for Dark Souls lore theories. Is your hateboner for Pharasma so strong that you just make up "alternative facts" just to make yourself more comfortable?

>>54284076
Kurgess is Desna's kid, possibly from Cayden.

Which is weird since how does Dreams/Beer turn into Physical Fitness?

>>54284196
Frat life.

>>54284172
She's either saving herself for Groety-kun, secretly taking the monkey D from Sun Wukong, or has Aroden squirreled away somewhere where they keep fucking each other's brains out.

Who knows, maybe whole she sits on her throne, she secretly has someone's dick coming out of the seat and fucking her while she's judging souls. She certainly is smug enough for that to be the case

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>that new Carnal Crown app
jesus.

>>54284213
>Aroden is imprisoned within Pharasma's Secret Rape Dimension
I like it

>>54284221
what about it,its just a shit app, who cares

Truly, there are few surprises to be had in this compilation of applications. For it is well-known that applications are selected not by quality of prose or verisimilitude, but by the sheer amount of precious hours squandered ponderously promoting ones own creations in the relative safety afforded by the far side of the screen of a computing device. Though, lest we be mistaken, one must recall the myriad of seedy individuals, for whom there is no greater goal than to perform debased and lascivious acts, with those blessed few capable of consistent creation; for they too engage in that all too familiar, yet repulsive and odious, practice. If I were to make an assertion, I would state that the progenitor of this pedestrian work likely enjoys relationships of the... Hellenic persuasion.

>>54284227
>Implying he's not there to hide from Yandere-dae and her uncontrollable lust for his shining longsword
Shit, now I need a shoop of Iomedae doing the Mirai Nikki face

>>54284249
Are you replying to someone, or...?

>>54284180
>Word of God confirmation on a question asked to him directly
>Not valid

>>54284253
>Arazni understood boundaries
>But that Iomedae broad...she's something else altogether. Absolutely mad, I tells ya!

>>54284213
You know that Aroden joke is pretty close to the truth since one of her divine servants looks like a twisted version of Aroden and is called Echo of Lost Divinity.

>>54284261
It's a team effort to publish their shit. The deranged ravings of individual creators never held weight here when they spoke of weapon cords, water balloons, and Sarenites. Why is this different?

Get me some published proof and we'll talk.

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Thread is falling, post suggestions for gestalt combos for someone who wants to be Cha-based. 1pp+FFS+Jolly/Legendary content, bonus points for Str/Cha. I'm kinda feeling the ol' Bardadin, if I gotta be honest.

>>54284185
See people? This is how salty Pharasma's sycophants get when someone dares to mention her opposition to freeing their souls from her wretched and tyrannical cycle. This is how they react, with blind bewilderment and an inability to comprehend such trivial matters as the reconfiguration of the self to a more permanent form. It is a simple reminder that those who seek freedom are her enemy, a lesson we all should take to heart.

>>54284323
Some kind of legendary vigilante

>>54284323
Bard(Archaeologist)/Oracle or Paladin

>>54284323
Saceld Fist Monkadin.

Which PrC is mechanically better, Hellknight Commander or Hellknight Signifier?

>>54284369
>those who seek freedom are her enemy, a lesson we all should take to heart.
Yet she's on good terms with Sun Wukong.

Admit it, your just an idiot who can't separate headcanon from reality. You're the Pathfinder equivalent to a Crowley tier heretic

>>54284431
Signifar

>>54284431
>which class is mechanically better, the martial or the caster

>>54284369
Fuck off Pat. Go use a behelit to turn yourself into a toilet