Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for the Guard

>>54227408
Second for more guard.

>>54227408
>>54227423
Third for Renegades

Why are space yiff players the worst kind of overzealous fanboys?

Played my first game of 8th today. Man Guard had a significant buff. 5ish infantry squads with heavy weapons, company commander and commissar are ridiculous. Bait the charge with an understrength unit, take some casualties, fall back and blow them to shit with the rest of your guys.

The multiple command squad in chimera strategy is fucking solid too.

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>>54227441
You poor poor soul.

FW ruined your army.

>>54227476
cant ruin what is already ruined.

>>54227408
>>54227423
>>54227441

You know they ban for that now, right?

>>54227466

Vikings of course

>>54227398
don't leave out the mega links edition

previous: >>54219962

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8th for nids i guess. nids still cool.. arent we

>>54227496
Since when? It's not against the rules, is it?

Less than 12 hours to FW FAQs
Potentially

I'm a little apprehensive, I think it is going to be a disaster. Again.

>>54227398
If you don't know how to make threads, please just don't do it.

>>54227513
12th for shitstealer cults a shit and gw needs to fucking die

>>54227496
13th for you are a fag.

>>54227441
"Hey you know that army that's whole gimmick is being similar to Guard but with TONS more customization?"

"Yeah?"

"Let's take the whole customization aspect and throw it in the trash so it's only half an army."

10/10 FW

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Is Karanak worth 116 points?

>>54227524

Since a few days ago. I got a warning, other dudes got banned.

>>54227553
Ok, thanks for the heads up.

>tfw both your factions names characters were removed from your faction.
Why FW Why?

>>54227517
How so. I've never really seen them on the TT, so I guess that's indicative, but they look cool.
>>54227497
>Kennedy
>dead
wew
>>54227527
Will Issodon get an Invul?

>>54227524
>Since when has shitposting been against the rules?

>>54227466
Furries are usually very emotionally invested into things related to their... um, mental illne- I mean hobby.

>>54227524
Whenever we get new mods they enforce rules with triple zeal to make it look like they're doing their jobs, then after a month or two it goes back to normal.

It counts as violating the Gets! rule.

>>54227563
Who?

Riever stats get leaked yet?

>>54227551
not rly

>>54227496
You know you're a faggot now right?

>>54227565
>Will Issodon get an Invul?

More like will they cripple another army with poor rules and incoherency

>>54227580
>now

>>54227571
Thinking it probably won't be until Wednesday or so. That should be about when the stores get their shipments, and one of the managers will likely leak it.

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>>54227513
I finally started Nids in 8e because the weirder kits, like Maleceptors and Lictors, are viable and fun

Aiming to 100% 112 models in under 7 weeks

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I heard there were some leaked pics of new Death Guard terminators? Any truth to this?

I've seen the Plague Shooter Siege Plague Tank.

>>54227569
Major Durra and Inquisitor Solomon Lok, Major Durra is gone entirely afaik and Solomon Lok now belongs to Ordo Xenos Inquisitor faction and nothing else.

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30th for loyal citizens of the Imperium.

>>54227585
>HELLFORGED
>If your army is Battle-forged, no Detachment may contain more HELLFORGED units than it does non-HELLFORGED units of the same battlefield role.

>>54227585
Eh, Issodon is pretty stupid as is.
12 Heavy Bolters up someones ass is pretty gross.

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>>54227600
They comin'

>>54227626
Icantseeshitcaptain.jpeg

>>54227626
He's so happy

>>54227604
36th for GSC A SHIT

TFW your opponent gets mad that you forfeit a match you're getting absolutely CRUSHED in instead of wasting another hour in the match.

>>54227640
That's the only pic I have. Last time the pic was brought up people said the Terminator tease was taken out of the youtube trailer.

What are the best units for fighting either Space Wolves or Tau as Orks? I'm looking to expand my decently-sized, but kind of monotonous Ork army.

>>54227601
Pretty sure Lok is Malleus.

>>54227658
They originally got the legion number wrong and when they fixed it, this guy didn't make it back in.

>>54227657
>Tfw your opponent fights to the last man even though you are crushing him.

>>54227662
boyz

So are a new Ork Start Collecting! or codex coming very soon since it's sold out online everywhere but 'merica?

>>54227565
>Will Issodon get an Invul?
No, in lore he dislikes invuls because the energy fields would make him more detectable.

>>54227622
Inceptors can do that anyway, he just rerolls to hits and can deepstrike next to them. Shrike would be able to do the same thing.

ANy link for a collection (other than Black Library) of 40k fiction? Im wanting to get the new Lorgar book.

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can someone post the rules for these guys? Or are they just rolled into scions?

>>54227682
I already have 130 boyz. Please don't respond with moar boyz.

>>54227626
>You'll float too

>>54227712
They're just Scions, not referenced at all in the rules anymore.

>>54227712
They're just scions now. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get regiment specific units in the codex, but I doubt it.

>>54227626

>rotting body is no excuse for poor dental upkeep

>>54227612

Need some <HellForged> and <Hellforge> tags in the mix to screw things up more

>>54227712
Kasrkin are just cadian stormtrooper equivalents.

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>>54227656
LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SHI- er, I mean, you're quite right, fellow loyal citizen!

>>54227691
I hope Orks are getting new boyz sculpts. If they make them the quality of the AoS Orks I'm definitely starting a new Orky collection.
>>54227713
Kans seem pretty good for what they cost.

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>>54227728
>>rotting body is no excuse for poor dental upkeep

You know it

>>54227735
>new boyz sculpts

I wouldn't be surprised if they get PRIMARIS'D. They're far out of scale now and right weedy--plus we have an in-lore justification for bigger scaled boyz already--Octarius.

>>54227734
Accept the truth brother.
We must sacrifice ourselves to summon more 10 point Genestealers!

>>54227733
Boyz are fun, but I wanna try something new.

>>54227735
I have 3 kanz already but they don't often see play, especially vs. Tau.

>>54227662
Ten nobs

With kombi-skorchas

In a trukk

That's ten times D6 Str 5 AP -1 autohits. How's that for a drive-by.
(I guess they could fire the other part of the gun too. Might as well)

>>54227785
That's because you need more kans. If you only take a few it's easy to focus them down.

>>54227799
Yeah, especially against Tau. They just get eaten alive while footslogging, and they're not worth taking as units of 12 in Trukks.

>>54227802
>10 nobz with kombi-skorchas in a trukk

I ran this last game. He wasn't happy. Very funny stuff.

>>54227804
Maybe you're right--they are cool models, too.

>>54227713
Tankbustas.

Nobs, ironically enough, in a naut.

try experimenting with deployment of your boys, some of them in wagons, some with weirdboyz. I love wagonboyz.

Is there a reason the mega link is missing?

>>54227848
yeah, OP requires special care & attention
mega is here>>54227497

>>54227666
Lok is xenos
Rex is mallus

>>54227601
Why would Lok belong to anything els?

>playing league game at flgs
>play against imperial guard player
>objective for chaos this week is sacrifice 2 models each turn and on turn 3 they come on within 24" of the middle
>turn 1
>take off pox walkers and tyhpus
>turn 2
>take off demon prince and blight bringer
>guy who made the objectives did it last minute
>opponent and I agree that the "challenge" is bullshit for chaos this week
>turn 3
>put pox walkers 2" away from conscripts and put typhus, the blight bringer and Prince within an inch of of the conscripts
>get 30 more pox walkers
>game turns into pox walkers over run the imperial guard

>>54227666
No he's Ordo Xenos, he was fighting Nids in IA4.

>>54227838
I have yet to try wagonboyz yet, though I am a huge fan of da jump. Last game I had 75 boyz within charging distance of an enemy unit in the first turn thanks to Da Jump and a hefty force of Kommandos.

>>54227872
You're right, I got them mixed up.

>>54227872
Well he was a HQ choice for D-99 in 7th which were an anti-nid gland warrior detachment

>>54227874
Forgot to mention that the objective also said that you can charge and shoot without penalty after coming on

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Since /wipg/ is slow as shit, I'll ask here. What's your preferred method of painting faces? Eyes to be specific. I see so many guides that contradict, some say paint them first, others say paint them last, some say paint the whites first, others the pupil. Is there one method that's better for someone who's very new to faces versus another?

Also, how the fuck do I into blending? My transitions are ass and I don't know what else to do to fix it. The paints are almost as thin as the water when I use them, too. Pic related is my best blends so far, but you can see the obvious color transitions instead of a smooth gradient.

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What reason might a Knight house have an alliance with the Sisters of Silence?

>>54227929
They're specialists in hunting big psyker xeno critters?

>>54227929
Because the Inquisitor traveling with the SoS (let's just say the group is hunting some super dangerous psyker) commanded that the Knight House should assist him.

>>54227929
Rival imperial knight household has a few psykers on staff or in the family (not as knight pilots, of course).
The Imperium being what it is, this house went "Oh shit! If Out rivals turn traitor or try to take over or holdings or whatever, we don't have any defences!" and promptly cozied up to the SoS.

>>54227657
I get annoyed when they won't concede. I'd rather play someone who isn't shit than waste time on someone who is clearly masochistic.

>>54227612
Where is that rule?

>>54228001
It doesn't exist for Chaos yet

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Ok so I want to run a fluffy list of the last 30 Astral Knights in 1500 points after the World Engine incident.
I'm using the FW chaplain in a dread to represent the AK chapter master being a dread, and was wondering what to do with 9 models and 313 points. I also own three tarantulas and was planning on running them as assault cannon tarantulas if there are spare points.
Also what would be a good loadout for the chaplain dread?
As for how they'd play I was going to put the dread, the assault cents, dread, techmarine and apothecary in the stormraven and fly them upfield to dump into enemy forces.
So feedback and replies would be appreciated.

>>54228018
Praise Tzeentch!

On a related note why would anyone take a Chaos Predator over a Hellforged one? Seems the FW one is significantly better for only a few points more.

>>54227961
>>54227983
>>54227989
All good suggestions, thanks.

>>54227585
Probably not. Lots of big-name characters don't have ++saves

>>54227597
Do it anon, I believe in you. Yeah alot of kits are great and fun to use now. Altgough the malceptor in my opinion is not that great but thats just me

Is it just me or do sisters look really strong this edition?

>Cheap 3+ bodies
>Cheap 3+ bs heavy weapons everywhere
>Repentia are pure rape
>Penitent engines are pure rape

I guess the only downside is a lack of long range anti tank, but Dominions with meltaguns in a melta immolator will do the job fine.

>>54228169
>Lack of Longrange anti tank
Exorcists FUCKED MY SHIT UP.

>>54228150
I needed a synaptic lynchpin for my 60 hormagaunts, and a back up for the 30 man termies if the Tervigon bites it early
Aparrently they're dead hard

Th-thanks anon i'll give it my best

>>54228177
Really? It's just a battle cannon with -2 more ap for 160 points, doesn't seem worth the points cost given you need at least 2 preferably 3 to reliably fuck shit up.

Has anyone painted or seen the Dark Imperium Death Guard painted in the Black Legion colors?

>>54228169
I've found they're great in a Guard list with plenty of HWT support.

Bought some Tempestus Scions to paint up cus I was thinking about starting an IG army(And I love the models).

I'm getting the Chimera/Cadian Squad box for sure. Which is better for a start for my army, IG or Scions Get Started box?

>>54228225
What do you run? A few sister squads in a mostly guard army?

Scions work best as auxiliary to a guard force. The start collecting box for IG is pretty good.

>>54228243
both boxes are really good. I would go with Scions though because that's mad value.

>>54228260
Second part meant for

>>54228243

>>54228243
The Scions starter is one of the best boxes of that kind, the Guard one is good if you want some Lemans, but i like more the Armored Fist one since i play mechanised.

>>54228169
Exorcists are good long range, but if you do imperium Guard can make up for it. Personally I play Guard with non-sister ministorum units and they are strong as hell.

>>54228260
>>54228262
>>54228276
Thanks m8s.

>>54228322

>p2win in a game that is literally p2win by definition
okay

Took some standard leman russes today, man I was surprised how good they were. If you can get into a nice position where you don't have to move much those 9 heavy bolter shots are brutal, the battle cannon was also surprisingly good given that I thought it would be shit. They are fucking hard to kill too, one survived two rounds of 4x multi melta shooting with two wounds left.

Anti tank looks to be quite difficult this edition.

>>54228322
>pay to win
>in a pay to play game.

>>54227922
You're better off being patient with /wip. In here you're more likely to just get dipshits that can't paint / don't have an army ripping on whatever you post. Especially if you post a painted army.

>>54228314
>Non-sister units

But grills in armour is 90% of the appeal. Just Chinaman a bunch.

>>54228346
Most people I've seen use standard Russ' say they're pretty shit. If you want a bunch of HB shots, just take HWTs, the battle cannon is decent if you roll well enough but you're just as likely to roll like shit and have it do fuck all the entire game. The only thing they consistently do is soak fire.

>>54228351
>Buy models
>Win
>Get called P2W

Kek.

>>54228360
I don't really like their models. I like SoS models with the swords though. I just prefer DCA, Crusaders and Arcos. Plus, I got to do some fun conversion work for all of them and using count as models.

>>54227626
"I'm ten thousand years old, and I've still got all my own teeth"

>>54227466
Because they unironically think the tiffs are the coolest thing around. In other words they're retarded furries.

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>>54228382
Get these m8.

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>>54228224

>>54228426
>dough cutter on the axe blade
lol

>>54228424
Not a fan. Go for it though.

>>54228381
>"better" rules
>most forge world units are a very slight upgrade with some crippling downside
>if the model isn't just barely above the average line of power per point cost, it's over valued in points by somewhere around 30%, putting all of your eggs in one basket and hoping it doesn't melt
>most people just get booty blasted because forget world has all the fun, giant models.
>(((((pay to win)))))

>>54228460
There are heaps of bullshit GW units though. You don't have to buy forgeworld to have a broken as fuck army.

>>54228381
>damage control

In what manner is this damage control lol

>>54228460
You are assuming greed and malice where ineptitude is a simpler explanation which fits all the data.

>>54228460
Hey, next time wipe the frothing spittle from the corner of your mouth and actually read the post you're replying to. You do understand that forge world models are extremely points inefficient compared to base game units, right?

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>forgeworld
>pay to win
>200pts
>£62 aka 80

So now that Infiltrators have been nerfed, are they still worth taking over Ruststalkers or are Ruststalkers the better glass cannon?

>>54228479
I'm not even that guy m8

>Pay money for GW unit
>It's broken
>Pay even more money for a FW unit
>It's also broken

???

>>54228442
Are there even any really broken FW model right now?
Well, I guess there are a few IoM vehicles straight busted but probably cause they need FAQQING
>>most people just get booty blasted because forget world has all the fun, giant models.

oh likely, got the real fun models there
enjoy your dweeb shit finecast/metal, we got titans for all factions

>go to LGS for first game of 8th with my 1k list ready for a test game
>Everyone is using power points

The fuck? Everyone said 'because it's easy', but it's not even close to balanced as points, fucking normies.

>>54228496
Waitaminute. Is that a drop pod that can bounce around the table, smashing into units using swords for landing struts and jet exhaust as a flame thrower? Is this what an acid trip feels like?

>>54228516
>too assblasted to realize my post was saying forge world is alright by me
>can't realize that forge world is just the place to stick models with the worst marketability due to high cost so they label it as a boutique item.

>>54228528

Yeah and except for the melee part its been doing that for a decade now.

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Farsight has struck an anime pose.

Post music that would fit this scene.

>>54228524
>can't add single digit numbers together in five minutes without his precious list builder
>net listing didn't prepare him for power points
>he didn't just eyeball it and plonk down on a table with someone at a similar level
Kek set to maximum, prepare for thrust.

>>54228524
Unless you are playing in a tournament or against WAAC-fags, power points are the way to go. Asymmetry makes for a much more interesting game.

>>54228547
Did it always have the ability to snipe ICs?

>>54228524
It's easier to WAACfag and game the system if you use powerpoints.

>>54228545

>too busy memearrowing to realize no one was arguing back with him

>>54228502
Anyone?

How long can tech priests live for?

>>54228442
forgeworld was broken before 6th and 7th, but then came formations which were almost always a better option than forgeworld, so forgeworld fags thought that since better options existed it was ok to say forgeworld is balanced. but now we're in 8th which is fairly well balanced and forgeworld is still making shit rules that result in stupid overpowered shit, and forgeworld fags think that opinions about forgeworld in 7th are still valid.

>>54228555
Unironically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlf5KMDevXc

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>>54228528
Pic related

Everyone used them during the HH, but they had bitchy machine spirits that liked spacing loyalists and were prone to possession. Needless to say, the imperium stopped using them. They're more like boarding ships than actual drop pods, though, which is why they fly around.

They're actually pretty shitty this edition since A) they can no longer jink, B) are not hard to hit, C) must deploy their cargo after they Deepstrike unlike last edition, D) start taking HUGE penalties after suffering TWO DAMAGE, and finally E) they costly TWO HUNDRED FUCKING POINTS.

I have one that I used frequently last edition, but it's literally done nothing but die horribly in 8th

>>54228554
(you)

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>>54228594
+10000 years.

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>>54228544
>>54228559
>>54228568

>GW please hold our hand, give us a system to arrange a game we can understand
>Doesn't matter if it's only make believe and pretend, adding more than 3 different numbers is something we can't comprehend

>>54228498
I don't think it's a crazy idea, but you see FW fucking up in the other direction too often imho for it to fit. Given their track record, a bit shit at balance makes more sense to me. But that's just my guess as a rando on an Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs catalog.

>>54228606
Why isn't his robes burning from the lava?

>>54228601
>forgeworld was broken before 6th and 7th

Nah FW has always had models that had either shit or amazing rules. I think it's just that because their crap is so ridiculously expensive that people only buy the OP models, because they don't want to drop a large amount of cash and go through the extra hassle of ordering from FW only to get something that is gonna gather dust on a shelf.
Not to mention that judging by the number of Riptides on eBay, there is a large number of 40k players that only use the most OP models they can get.

>>54228628
Because SCIENCE ofcourse.

>>54228622

I think honestly FW might just be a bit incompetent.
They get by cause some of the designers make some cool models.
For example, FW Tau fliers look way better than their GW equivs

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>>54228620
>give 5 reasons why it shit
>gets told it isn't an argument

>>54228568
>Asymmetry makes for a much more interesting game

In what way?

>>54228604
So not worth its points? Thats disappointing i thought about getting one for the angry drop pod lulz.

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>>54228554
>>54228554
>drop pod lands and a bunch of screaming idiots come tumbling out
>another day at the office.purity seal
>look closer, realize the assault ramp is a gigantic chin
>eight tongues lashing from its mouth
>digs itself out of the crater, slobbering and screaming in incoherent grunts
>drop pod's face when

>>54228628
SPACE FABRICS RECOVERED FROM STC FRAGMENT 2307159 IN M32
PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH

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How much Death Company is too much Death Company? Counting completed, unpainted, and unbuilt models, I currently have exactly 53 Death Company.

>HQs
Lemartes
>Infantry (with Jump Packs)
20 BP/CS w/ JP
5 BP/PS w/ JP
4 BP/PM w/ JP
4 BP/PA w/ JP
4 BP/PF w/ JP
5 BP/TH w/ JP
4 IP/CS w/ JP
4 PP/CS w/ JP
>Dreadnoughts
Two: one Cassor the Damned and one dual Flamer+Furioso Fist with Smoke Launchers

Is this overkill, or just the right amount of kill? Anything else I should stock up one? Hand Flamers have always seemed pretty poor so I never modeled anyone with them.

>>54228669
>2k17
>manlets

>>54228631
I mean yeah, there's plenty of fw stuff that underperforms but it doesn't excuse the broken stuff since you have the option of just not using the bad stuff.

when people talk about forgeworld being broken they are talking about the op stuff.

>>54228662
For some reason I'm now picturing a Dreadclaw skittering away like Dr. Zoidberg.

>>54228654
There are several ways asymmetry can create fun games. One of the big ones is designing scenarios such that a smaller force could realistically win over a larger force. Examples include pitched sieges, infiltration, smash and grab objectives. Think of all the most exciting scenes from war movies and shooty games and it's always an underdog story. Take the underpowered force and build a session around them in a way where they could succeed their objectives, even if that doesn't necessarily mean killing every enemy figure.

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>>54228555
I've got a few.

https://youtu.be/4E8wHTX5nac?t=2m20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khk5V6L8Vos
https://youtu.be/Ak1-qLbHHCM
https://youtu.be/fI8AIuOFzZk

Also, have dank pape on the house. Farsight is such a great fucking character, I hope he gets a plastic model soon.

>>54228662
That is why I love the kharybdis assault pod so much, it literally flies around eating people.

>>54228689
That has literally nothing to do with power level or points though. You can just as easily have someone bring 500 points and the other person bring 1,000 points.

These kind of games can be fun on occasion but plenty of people just prefer two armies fighting on equal footing. It's not really right to say it's outright more interesting.

>>54228655

Look at the profile and ask yourself if it's worth those 200pts. Personally, I don't think it is. Last edition, it was a 100pt deep striking flying assault transport. I could drop it down, let my Brute hang out inside, turboboost and jink, fly up to my target, hop out right next to them, and assault them.

Now, I have to immediately disembark while also being 9" away from them. At the same time, it's significantly more vulnerable and literally double the price.

>>54228693
Hopefully during the Waning Weather Anomaly part whatever or something.
Got that plot hook with the magic sword to work into something

>>54228736
Nah if a character that isn't a space marine doesn't have a plastic model by now it's gonna get squatted next codex or campaign.

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>pay to win
>In a hobby where everything costs money

wot

>>54228753
>if it costs money it shouldn't be balanced

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>Plasma calivers are Assault 2
>Rad-Carbines are just Assault 3, 18 inch lasguns unless you're shooting multiwound models i.e. stuff that isn't something you should be shooting with S3
>No relentless
>Rangers even shitter than before
>Doctrina Imperatives gone in favour of fucking one-shot 'Canticles' that suck balls compared to the Guard's orders and disappear if you include a single non-Mechanicus model in your army
>Hayfire, AdMech's best vehicle remover, is ded, making all Arc weapons fucking useless
>Have to take HQs now, coincides with the Dominus being nerfed to fuck
>Donkey-Tanks can't squadron anymore and lose their stacking invulnerable save

What the fuck is this shit.

>>54228714
Sure. I don't mean to say that it's MORE interesting than balanced forces, only that it's diferent and interesting in its own unique and challenging ways. While power points don't SPECIFICALLY enable asymmetry, the less stringent adherence to balance may foster an atmosphere where it is more readily accepted. Compare a pickup game of seventh edition where you brought your list ready to play at a pre determined points value, calculated to the tenth of a cost of a model, every advantage wrung diligently from your book. The other player has done the same, and barring match ups of greatly imbalanced races (thinking orcs VS tau levels imbalance) you played a roughly evenly matched game. With power points, 50 points can give you armies of significantly diferent strengths, weaknesses, and numbers even in a mirror match. This may lead to an inherent "balancing" before the game begins of giving the lesser force tailored objectives to make the players have an equal chance of victory.

You may see a pitched battle, a couple units of space marines with some minor reinforcements taking on twice the number of their points in hordes of boyz and nobs. It would certainly be interesting to see what kind of thematic gameplay emerges when the focus shifts from competitive style play attempting to balance on a razors edge.

>>54228775
But stronger models always cost more money

A wraithknight is stronger than a wraithlord, so it costs more money

>>54228679
>not running a horde of angry overcompensating manlets
It's like you hate fun

>>54228775
But the strongest lists in the game are made up of GW models

>>54228775
Conscript spam can cost well over a grand, does that not count as pay to win?

>>54228734
Not an argument

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On a scale of 1-10, 1 being full blown dumb to 10 being stupidly beautiful, how would you rate my Casual Ultramarines List?

And yes I am a faggot for liking the boys in blue.

>>54228785
>No relentless
To be fair the ways rules have changed relentless wouldn't serve any purpose on skitarii, though it would be nice if dragoons and ironstriders had it.

>Donkey-Tanks can't squadron anymore and lose their stacking invulnerable save

I've found them pretty tough even without the 4++ with their huge increase in wounds.

>>54228775
Do I need to softly whisper "point cost" into your ear while fondling your ass for you to get it? Sure if you compare one GW model to one FW model and ignore points cost, formation restrictions and unit size, the FW is over powered. If you actually consider that the average damage and durability for a FW model doesn't come close to the power curve per points as any generic GW model, your shit goes out the window.

Before you argue "LMAO, but eight got rid of points and formations :^)
Then balance doesn't matter AT ALL anymore and you might as well take what you want and decide between your opponent and yourself what constitutes balanced play. At that point, the dollar value of the model is a null point because the game is no longer balanced on a per model basis but rather by the two people playing. Gee, it's almost like winning isn't what makes playing toy soldiers fun
Inb4 fun is a buzzword, not an argument. You can call me a fag if you want, though.

>>54228825
What about boyz spam? That's extremely pricey. Or russ spam


All the best lists in 8th are built around spamming loads of GW models

Forgeworld is 90% overpriced, underperforming units with cool models.

>>54228753
it becomes pay to win when the unit's in game value directly correlates to its monetary value.

>>54228714
With power levels you can just grab a bunch of figs you want to use and play against whatever models your opponent wants to use. It is literally THE best option for casual gaming (assuming you're not playing with dicks, of course, but even matched play isn't fun against dicks)

>>54228787
Sounds like you're hoping that the two armies with the same PL will be imbalanced enough for the tailored objectives to be "balanced".

>You may see a pitched battle, a couple units of space marines with some minor reinforcements taking on twice the number of their points in hordes of boyz and nobs. It would certainly be interesting to see what kind of thematic gameplay emerges when the focus shifts from competitive style play attempting to balance on a razors edge.

Power levels really aren't going to enable this unless you go out of your way to bring two armies with different power levels. The balance in power levels is loose, but not so loose that you're going to see two 50 pl armies where one side has a massive advantage over the other unless one person decides to take literally no wargear.

>>54228606
After that they are free, and it's time to conquer Earth!

>>54228856
You mean like last edition, where the best unit int he ork codex was the mek gun that cost $46 for a 15 point model?

Or how every big expensive centerpiece model was overpowered?

Dont pretend like this shit isnt prevalent in the base fucking game

I'm reading the 8th ed rules and some of the breakdowns online...are snipers able to target independant characters in squads now, like the vindicare always could?

>>54228873
Ok then boss, tell me what forgeworld units are winning tournaments

>>54228841

Boys will take tournaments.

Also fucking Stormravens.

Do you paint a space marines backpack vents or just leave them the color of the marines armor?

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>>54228886
Yes. Spam Ratlings.

>>54228860
That's not the point he was making though. I understand PL is fine for throwing together quick games but anon is saying PL enables interesting asymmetrical scenarios. PL isn't balanced but it's not that horrifically imbalanced unless you both go out of your way to have one person with a much weaker force.

>>54228893
>I never said they were.
Then why the fuck did you bring that shit up at all? Seems like you veered wildly off track from your own point.

>>54228892
Whatever you feel like doing.

>>54228890

Don't forget Knights.

>>54228893

Except that would imply that the hellforged predator is good enough to win tournaments. Which it's not, despite being marginally better than the regular predator while costing more.

>Fielding any tanks
fucking p2win kids, only troop spam is not p2win

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>The attacks were well timed and perfectly coordinated. The Fire caste, as professional soldiers whose lives revolved around military manoeuvre and warfare, could appreciate that their foes were also consummate warriors. Even though the Space Marines were launching themselves into a prepared trap, it was going to be a difficult battle.

So I am recently re-reading Kauyon and Mont'ka. I found something interesting. Tau fire warriors don't really fear the Space Marines. They admire the marines skills and courage. They consider them worthiest of foes and strive hard to beat them to prove the superiority of their warrior caste and creed.

On the otherside, humans warriors are terrified of the Space Marines even when they are fighting beside them. A term that popped up in the HH era is "Trans-human fear" describes the human reaction to fighting Space marines. Though they didn't expand a lot on it. Can anyone explain why humans are such cowards? I mean they don't fight for the thrill of battle and for the chance to attain honor by excelling in combat.

>>54228893
How the fuck is it better than the base predator? it costs more points for an extra wound

>>54228921
pretty sure points per dollar cadians are way more expensive than chimeras

>>54228823
you would have something resembling an army if you didnt spend half your points on shitty characters.

Sicarius and the gravis captain are shit. one primaris lt (with the sword, always the sword) is good, but you dont need more than one. telion isnt bad, but his buff is very similar to the captain's yet much more limited.

i like scouts and hellblasters, but not the intercessors. at 20 points a pop i would much rather take more scouts instead. theres just too much multi-damage shooting that slaughters the intercessors, and being so vulnerable is a fatal flaw for a unit that is utterly ineffective at close combat and shooting further than 15" and has absolutely no mobility options.

>>54228895
Forgot to add: if you use PL like the way I think it was intended to be used, like agreeing to play around 40-60 PL and building an interesting army that falls within that ballpark, you probably won't end up with exactly the same PL and one army will most likely be stronger than the other.
Maybe it's just me but I find games to be more interesting when one side is a clear underdog and has to rely on luck or skill to overcome the disadvantage. You don't have to win to have fun if your opponent is a decent mensch.

>>54228928

Humans are conditioned to revere Space Marines. They are basically Angels come to life. Angels are awesome and terrifying to behold, especially when they have turned to demons and are now facing you down.

Meanwhile, Tau don't know jack and shit about Space Marines besides their analysis of their capabilities. They don't have the mystique or gravitas, they are simply bigger/faster/stronger humans. Basically human Crisis suits. Dangerous, but nothing to be afraid of more than any other elite warrior.

>>54228881
knights were only good because people didn't bring enough melta' and a knight army was generally less expensive to buy than most armies.

scatbikes and warp spiders weren't that expensive but were the most broken shit eldar had

A riptide wing was actually one of the cheapest armies you could buy.

try again.

>>54228990
>scatbikes and warp spiders weren't that expensive

WOT

In the amounts you needed they were fucking expensive

>A riptide wing was actually one of the cheapest armies you could buy.

How the fuck is 5 riptides cheap?

>>54228555
https://youtu.be/RLq8q3kAFe4
>Anime like character that pilot red mecha.
You just have to search for something like char or char clones themes and use whatever style you like.

>>54228928
>They admire the marines skills and courage
And according to the novels, the marines admire them too.
Those marines being, of course, of the ultramarine flavour

>>54228943
Fair enough, just thinking of starting up a Space Marine army so it's good to get some advice.

So should I just make my list just Scouts and take one Lt, or should I include other units on Telion's excursion? I also might not take out Cato because I kinda want to paint up his model and do the TTS Sicarius voice whenever I kill one of my friend's units

>>54228928
Humans see the humanity in space marines, elevated altered and perfected. Space marines are like them, only horribly twisted into machines built specifically to kill. Imagine seeing your neighbor tomorrow and he had suddenly turned into a 7 foot tall killing machine, mulching his garden with the corpses of heretics and xenos

Tau don't see that. To the Tau, space marines are just another alien threat. Maybe more effective of a fighter than your average human, but no diferent. Space marines would be borderline body horror. There are already humans that hate other humans for enjoying one set of genitalia rather than the other, or the color of their skin. Imagine the reaction from those kinds of people the first time someone uses drugs, robotics, and genetic manipulation to make themselves mythic ally powerful. There will be outrage, terror, and anger. We may live to see a "post human" evolution. We'all see how it goes when we get there.

>>54229004
in comparison to a full army

Infiltrators or Ruststalkers?

>>54228837
No but I'll let you fondle my ass.

>>54229059
Unless you're going to play tournaments or people who think every game is its own tournament feel free to use what you want to use. Proxy something if you want to see if you like it's feel before buying. And you can always make adjustments to a list after playing it, that's the best way to find what really works for you.

>complaining about pay to win in a hobby where you literally have to pay for everything

>>54229123
Infiltrators have the advantage of infiltrating and they shred light infantry, Rustalkers are probably a bit better against heavier targets.

>>54229153
Yeah but Infiltrators got a huge nerf in the FAQ. Ruststalkers seem ok but not being able to deep strike means that it's not hard to shoot them off the board.

>>54229065
Full army of what?

You could have a full army of marines for like $300-400

Fuck, you could do a full army of Deathwing for under $200

>>54229162
Infiltrators still do better against light blobs between falchette blasters and tasers. The nerf still sucks but they still put out enough shots/hits to kill squishies.

So which Heresy books heavily involve Lorgar shenanigans? I've started taking to the Word Bearers lately and would enjoy learning more about Ol' Writing-On-Head Baldieman.

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>>54228928
They better should.

>>54229195
That size difference seems....exaggerated.

>>54229184
So let's say I have 3 boxes of Sicarians. How many Infiltrators/Ruststalkers should I build?

What's the cheapest army to play, /tg/?

>>54229195

why are they like 12 feet tall

>>54229208
Tau are smaller than guardsmen.

>>54229216
Primaris maybe.

>>54229218
Not by much.

>>54229185
I'm afraid I don't know much about the HH books, but I know there's a new one coming out and the 40k Word Bearers Omnibus is really good.

>>54229210
I'd just build a box of each, run them in a game or two, and build the last box as the one you like more.

Reposting
Okay, aside from marines we know the other factions likely getting releases with their codices include tau. I'm figuring the tau stuff will release with the codex but I have no idea when that'll be.
Funny that Tau is getting more releases already

Aside from that, not sure of anything. Aside from SoBs will get nothing

>>54229195
does that Space Marine's sword say "Prime Beef"?

>>54229279
What the fuck man it actually does. Unless it says primebeee which seems more unlikely.

>>54229272
>Tau is getting more releases already

What? Where?

>>54229312

That leaker with a good track record, not from /tg/ of course.
give me a minute to find a name...

>>54229312
XV-130 Disaster suit

>>54229212
Grey knights I think.

>>54227712
They have never had separate rules from stormtroopers.

>>54229312
>>54229323

Kk Lady Atia
Most recent leak they made was the deathguard tank a week back maybe?

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>>54227749
Glorious.

>>54227626
>Such a smile. He would swear by that glisten
>"Don't steal my fucking glisten!"

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>>54227398

Is it Om-nee-sigh-uh or Om-niss-ee-uh?

And what the fuck is cat furniture?

>>54227468
>The multiple command squad in chimera strategy is fucking solid too.

have you read the FAQ ? You can only play one Command squad for each of your officers

>>54229340
Well they used to be line troops instead of elites,

>>54229363
I've always said it Om-niss-sigh-uh.

>>54229363
Like messiah. also,
>not buying the cat its own furniture

>>54229365
Platoon Officers are 20 points, and Company Commanders are 30, it's not hard to just spam several officers, and you get more orders with them too.

>>54229349

In the comments 13 days ago
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2193#disqus_thread

So seems not full of shit

>>54229365
Good thing I read the FAQ and took multiple officers right? Besides if you are running any kind of guard list without at least 2 company commanders, you fucked up.

>>54229389
>>54229392
sure, i just wanted to inform you in case you didn't knew


A few days someone posted his list with 6 command squads and only two officers, the comments were hilarious ...

>>54229272
>no idea when that'll be
probably some new vespid and kroot stuff, finish off getting rid of finecast.

Probably new battlesuit as well.

>>54229381
It's a portmanteau of the word root Omni and the word messiah. I pronounce it as om-knee-sigh-uh, keeping the sounds from both roots like 90% of portmanteaus

>>54229390
I kekd at this sanctimonious cuck

>It always amazes me how the communities change between three different roumer sites. Of the three, I frequent two are filled with vitriol like, 'no character', 'bland', 'insert-employee-here failed us', 'more SM garbage', ect. Then I come here and it's like a breath of fresh air. People are actually excited and enjoy their toys. I've never personally been a fan of space marines but I still think the models are cool and I'm looking forward to each release lately, even if I'm probably not going to buy it. In any case, what I mean to say, is that it's nice to see a community that actually enjoys their hobby and toys. Well done Atia and Bob. This is why I stop by here first almost always.

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Why does it have to be this way, /tg/? Hands like this are why I fear going to my LGS.

>>54229389
More to the point, why the fuck would you take a platoon commander over a company commander? For 10 more points you get another order which is the whole fucking reason you take these guys anyway.

>>54229416
Brown nosing the leaker who may be female

>>54229403
Only hint is
Not directly part of the tau empire
Aux or something new?

>>54229428
Probably farsight shit.

GIVE ME PLASTIC SISTERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54229419
Then do some basic grooming on your hands, you fuck.

>>54229446

>Plastic farsight and enclave special weapons
Yes to fusion blades
SoBs plastic never ever you know it

>>54229416
It's like he expects non-SM/DG players to be excited for SM/DG releases purely because they're new releases.

Why the fuck would anyone ever take a heavy venom cannon over a stranglethorn canon for nids? Or ever take a acid spray on a tfex?

>>54229474
Inb4 sisters are relegated back to an online only codex

>>54229466
They're not mine, retard. This is from /wip/

>>54227551

>+1 to hit rolls against chosen character
>WS 2+

What did they mean by this?

Has Lady Atia mentioned Orks recently at all? I need some more fucking orks man

>>54229499
Then quit leaving floating participles in your sentences, you mango headed fuckstick. "Hands like these are why I fear going to the LGS". Meaning your hands make you ashamed of leaving your house. Compare and contrast
"Hands like these are why I fear going to the LGS" meaning you hate seeing disgusting people out and about.
Vagueries such as this are why you failed English.

>>54228424
eeeeew

>>54229520
Heavy weapons maybe? Would it modify the base to hit after cover under the new rules?

>>54228426
edge highlight m8

>>54227735

Biggest weakness of Kans is morale. Definitely worth burning CP to keep them from running.

>>54227799

I took 90 Boyz vs Sisters yesterday.

It didn't end well for me. I think he had me outnumbered.

Didn't help that I was using MANZ and Flash Gitz in Battlewagons mind you. But Sisters can spam out a lot of units, and bolter fire hurts en masse.

>>54229542
>MANZ

???

>>54229419
Whats wrong with that hand? The paint or the bent over fingernails?

>>54229520
Heyo, auto hits. No more rolling ones because the roll itself is modified.

>>54229525
What? Explain

>>54229524

I don't think so
I saw a rumor about new ork buggies elsewhere

Anyone made a Palanquin of Nurgle here? Been looking for inspiration besides stick loose Nurglings on a pound of greenstuff.

>>54229547
meganobz

>>54229534

It's a dog with a mouth. Not exactly a heavy weapon platform.

>>54229548
>unironically having to ask
Friendly reminder that showers are not fucking optional.

>>54229549
That's not how it works, a roll of 1 always fails. 1+ to hit just negates a -1 to hit penalty.

>>54229554
I wouldn't be surprised, but I wouldn't be happy either. We don't need new Buggies, we don't need new models of Ork vehicles (I wouldn't mind new UNITS of Ork vehicles, though) because people just convert their own.

I want more infantry/characters.

Meh, mind telling me where you heard it anyway? I'd like to check it out

>>54229542
>But Sisters can spam out a lot of units, and bolter fire hurts en masse.

Yeah, that's always been a big thing for the Sisters. Basically no one else can bring as much BS 4 Power Armour to the table as the Sisters and what is kinda mediocre for marines gets scary pretty fast when you can put a lot more shots downrange.

The new 'Pick a unit, it gets a second firing phase' faith power for them also helps there for turning heavy bolters into infantry mulching machines.

>>54229562
But it's not a roll of 1. You add 1 to the roll of one to get a roll of 2. No where in eighth does it mention UNMODIFIED rolls of one missing.

>>54229547

Meganobz. Not sold on them this edition; hitting on 4's sucks hard for them, and you have to put them in a transport, which is bad because the new transport rules make taking high cost, multiwound models really risky in them. Their Battlewagon got blown to pieces on Turn 2 and 3 of the 5 died in the process. Granted that was poor luck but you really don't want valuable models inside a dying transport.

>>54229567

>The new 'Pick a unit, it gets a second firing phase' faith power for them also helps there for turning heavy bolters into infantry mulching machines.

Yeah tell me about it. Plus he had priests all over the place, and it turns out Sisters getting buffed by a priest have a fair few attacks to hit back with. Ghaz ate two squads by himself but then they just fell back and blasted him to bits. Exorcists are bloody insanely good, though it helped that he never rolled below 3 for the number of missiles he got on either one of them.

>>54229580
Thanks for letting me know--was about to pick up a box of Meganobz. I'm considering Flash Gitz instead.

>>54229557
Technically it's a dog with three mouths.

>>54229212
Probably grey knights, maybe primaris now, though

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>>54229573
Are you illiterate? And before you try and say this only applies to shooting step 5 under the fight phase says close combat attacks use identical steps to shooting other than using weapon skill over ballistic skill.

>>54227565
Lias Issodon never had an invuln save, he eschews force fields of any kind because they would diminish or even compromise his ability to be a sneaky motherfucker.

Honestly I like to deliberately put Issodon at the front of his own command squad, so as to let him ablate fire on his 0+ save in cover. It's frankly quite hilarious to see lascannons bounce off of him.

>>54229584

>Flash Gitz

Yeah well bad news on that front too. Had 10 of them in a Battlewagon with 10 ammo runts.

The good: Ammo runts can tank models dying from the transport getting destroyed. Ap -2 heavy bolters hitting on 4's with 10 rerolls in the unit is pretty threatening to most things. The extra shooting 1 in 6 times is nice, but not something you should count on. I burned 2 CP trying to make it go off, only went off once in 5 rounds.

The bad: They have zero survivability. 24" is not a good range for a unit with a 6+ armour save. They pay for a Nob statline that you almost never will want to use, because you can't do much damage in close combat and the enemy will just fall back in their turn and blast you off the table.

The ugly: They 100% need a transport but that low range means the transport must move to get them into position. That means they're hitting on 5's thanks to Heavy weapons. Worse still, the Battlewagon they're in has to be Open Topped for them to shoot out of it, which means it stays T7. A T7 unit with a 4+ save is not long for this world against most armies.

Verdict: Buy for love of model only. I just finished my squad of 10 on Friday and they're going back into my display case until our Codex hits and hopefully makes them useable.

>>54229580

The new wound tables and pistol rules rather help SOB melee. Since it takes T6 for them to get to 6+ to wound they can beat up a fair bit more semi-elite stuff and they get to make an attack with the BS 3+ and bolt pistol stats on their own turn.

They are not going to be winning any prizes for it still but they've gained a little on that front in 8e.

God I hope they don't try any changes with future xeno releases. What they've done to marines is absolute AIDS.

>>54228555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHSgD4LTfA

>>54227712
>>54229340

In the eye of terror campaign book (3rd edition) they were stormtroopers which could not deepstrike or infiltrate.

Grenadiers were the same in the following codex. I would use them as scions as you can no longer avoid buying deepstrike.

>>54229580
What about running A Meganobz squad with a teleportin weird boy for transportation?

>>54229608
But it's not a roll of one, anon. The specific rule actually modifies the dice, not the target number. The die no longer displays a 1, it BECOMES a 2

>>54228785
Relentless isn't a thing that exists anymore. EVERYONE can now MOVE, SHOOT, and CHARGE, all in the same turn. You aren't required to charge what you shoot at either.

>>54229565
I think it was 75Hastings69
Don't remember where

>>54229634
Isn't he the plastic thunderhawk guy?

>>54229622
You're getting primaris riptides and wraith knights
The originals were nerfed with reason

>>54229627
That's definitely the safest way to handle MANz if you want to field them. I suppose you could also put a small unit of cheap infantry like grots to ride in the battlewagon with them and absorb any 1s from the wagon explosion.

Tau suits still seem pretty broken at the moment.

>>54229195
The tau's blood in this picture is the completely wrong colour. Their blood is made from Cobalt Haemoglobin, so it's blue.

New Xenos army when?

give me some hrud or megarachnids or interex type shit

>>54229627

Probably the better option to be honest. Can be denied but if you're running Boyz (which you should be) your Weirdboy should be getting around +6 to their roll so good luck on that one. It might be a winner given how they FAQ 'Ere We Go; if it's reroll both dice on a failed charge, probably not worth it. If it's reroll either or both, then I think it's a go-er. But at the end of the day I just don't think a unit that expensive that hits on 4+ is a worthwhile investment.

>>54229419
It could be worse. I know a guy who has hands so small, he can only carry about 12 dice at a time, and that's if he's using both hands at the same time.

Can units embarked in a vehicle that's currently locked in combat disembark in the movement phase? When they do, are they forced into combat, or can they simply disembark away from the combat?

What about if they're embarked and the vehicle is destroyed. Is the unit inside locked in combat? Can they be placed in a way that allows them to be either locked or not locked? Since they are locked in combat, can they now swing that turn when they get a chance?

>>54229651
Phil says it is red now

>>54229640
Maybe
His record is spotty

>>54229647

Making 'Can leave combat and shoot' part of the base fly rules I feel was a bit of a mistake as it does eat up most of the actual downside tau suits used to have.

Not saying they are broken (Haven't played enough games against them to say that), more than I feel like thematically it would have worked better if they'd kept it to units like Seraphim that had Hit and Run.

>>54229645
Lol, he's even bitching too when Assault weapons are the best classification in the whole game.
> Being able to add Running to that list of Move Shoot Charge.
> As an army-wide ability because literally all of your weapons are assault to replace the now-nonexistent relentless.

>>54229651
In DoW it was red.

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>>54229381
>>54229383
>>54229404

Thanks fellas. Gonna be playing a tech priest in a Rogue Trader campaign soon and recently realized I've never heard anyone actually say the word.

And I buy my cats their own shit to play on and sleep in and scratch at and whatever, but I've never once heard it called furniture.

>>54229628
The rules literally say IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY MODIFIERS.

>>54229660
i hope he doesnt play IG or any other horde army....

>>54227398
where the fuck are the mega links dipshit?

>>54229686
Here >>54227497

>>54229651
It's blue in like one of the first sources, and red EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Because green ork blood/blue tau blood apparently doesn't look cool when you paint it.

>>54229584
Just use regular Nobz if you want an elite unit to back up the boyz.
Give them power stabbas and they're basically melee Flash Gitz that hit on 3s, have a better save, and cost significantly less per model.
They can also be kitted out for just about any job you want them to do. Give them all Big Choppas and they can punch down vehicles and monsters pretty easily.
Toss some kombi-skorchas in there and they'll be better at both shooting AND melee than Flash Gitz for around the same price.

>>54229678
In relation to modifiers of BS and WS. That rule specifically means you can't get to a BS of 1+. Adding 1 to the dice roll isn't a modifier, it's not listed as a modifier, you are simply adding 1 to the side roll. It says so specifically in the profile. Rules for indexes and codexes that seem to contradict the core rules always take precedence, as special rules often change the way core rules work. If they didn't want the possibility of an auto hit, they would have used a modification to WS and not simply stated to add one to the roll.

>>54229660
D-does he give good handjobs?
have any pics?

>>54229713
>Adding 1 to the dice roll isn't a modifier
Literally what, it's modifying the dice roll. Few if any abilities change the target roll, they all modify the dice result now.

>>54229725
He's just baiting.

>>54229689
Thanks anon. But was for the op to not forget them again.

>>54229661
Thanks to vague wording on this and other subjects there is no real answer. Based on looking at it though I would say they can disembark anywhere 1" away from an enemy.

>>54229753
Probably, but there's enough people either returning or just starting with 8th that I'd rather them not come in and see his shitposts and actually believe that they can autohit.

Haha fall back is such a fuck you to assault armies. They are so used to tying units up in combat they charge in, kill some meatbags, you pull out and blow your full load right in their face.

>>54229790
That's why you either charge isolated units or charge en mass to prevent as many units as possible from firing when they fall back.

>>54229661
>When they do, are they forced into combat, or can they simply disembark away from the combat?
They must disembark more than 1" from the enemy (meaning not locked in combat) and within 3" of the vehicle or they cannot disembark. If you can get some, but not all of your unit out under that condition, any models unable to fit are considered lost (probably brutally killed by the enemy as they try to disembark).

If the vehicle explodes, you deal damage to any units nearby, remove the vehicle, and then place the survivors from the unit. I believe they have to remain within 3" of where the vehicles was, but they now have more space because the vehicle broke apart around them.

>>54229779
How is the wording vague? The disembarking rules say the models may disembark before the transport moves, and must be set up within 3" of the transport and more than 1" away from enemies. The transport being locked in combat does nothing to prevent this, but models cannot disembark within an inch of an enemy, so they cannot disembark and then get locked because of it.

>>54229520
Khorne Daemons have a couple of redundant +1 to Hit, I wonder if they'll get some abilities to exchange To Hit for Attacks and shit like that.

>>54228606
>10000 years
Will give you such a crick in the neck!
>Bobby G and/or PriMarines

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>30£ for plastic Mk III armour marines
>11£ for Mk III shoulder pads
>22£ for Mk III Legion era power weapons
>2x 11.50£ for Mk III Iron Hands for cybernetics heads and chests
>86£ For One Squad, with bits left over

I...Iron Within, I..Iron Without, Lads.

>>54229783
>old editions specifically say you can never auto hit
>eighth does not
>rule says disregard modifiers.
>modifiers are always listed as such, "such and such rule gains a +1 modifier"
>a specific exception comes along that simply states "add 1 to the die"
>anons sperg hard, refusing to accept change. They think old rules still apply

>>54229882
>anon didn't read the fucking rulebook that says that 1s always miss

>>54229428
auxilarries seems a reasonable bet then.
both updated sculpts for vespid and krootox/kroothounds. plus maybe a new auxillary, maybe bring the nicassar to the 40k table so Tau armies have access to psykers.

I'd love it if it was a whole auxilarries codex, that can be run tau-less for kroot mercs and such.

>>54229426
Maybe youve maxed out HQ slots? I run pask almost habitually since I noticed he hits on 2+. Also, does anyone know if he can order himself?

>>54229890
He's trying to argue that a +1 to hit isn't a modifier and thus always changes the dice roll to a 1. He's either retarded or shitposting.

>>54229901
>He's either retarded or shitposting.
My money is on both.

>>54229901
*always changes the dice roll from a 1
Guess his stupidity is rubbing off.

>tfw painting belisarius cawl
Holy fuck end my life
I'm currently only on the fucking basecoating stage too

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>Playing at the local GW against a friend, both new players.
>Random guy comes up and introduces himself. Turns out he plays the same army as my friend.
>Random guy slowly begins questioning every move my friend makes until he might as well be playing FOR him.

Is there a way to politely tell the random people like this to screw off that won't antagonize them/the store? I signed up to play against my friend, not my friend+someone who's been playing for 15 years.

>>54229943
It's hard, especially because we all know people in our hobby have a higher chance of being legit autistic, but you probably gotta just tell him you want to spend time with your friend learning the game. It might be best to take your friend aside and tell them it's annoying you, as it is probably annoying them as well (who the fuck wants a backseat player). If the store has any problem with that at all, you probably shouldn't be overly bothered playing elsewhere. The store benefits from YOUR business, YOUR money and the simple fact that YOU are there, showing other new players a 40K game in action. They need you more than you need them, and even if you have to take it to your dining room table, at least you won't have to deal with randos butting in on your game.

Best of luck, anon.

>>54229961
I wouldn't be surprised if it annoyed your friend too. It'd piss me off having someone criticise my every decision in a game.

>>54227712
I use them as Veterans.

>>54229426
Elite slot instead of HQ

>>54230034

>I use them as Veterans
But scions are 100x better this edition.

>>54229961
honestly depends on how the guy was saying things and how your friend took it.

>>54229580
Consider putting a unit of Grots in a Battlewagon with Meganobz

They'll take up half the capacity, but if the Wagon is destroyed you can choose to have them eat all the 1s for the big boys

>>54229901
Nah nah, you got it wrong. The rule doesn't say you get a +1 modifier, it says you add 1 to the roll. All other bonuses are listed as "get a what ever modifier". This one specifically ISNT listed as a modifier. Therefore, the "before modifiers" portion of the "a die roll of 1 before any modifiers always fails" is null, so the whole rule is null. You still can't modify a roll to get a 1+ but karanak has a special rule that SPECIFICALLY adds one TO THE DICE that is NOT listed as a modifier. Why would they change the wording for that specific rule if it wasn't purposeful?

>>54230041
I have actual scions for that! I used to use my kasrkin as veterans in 7th and it'd feel weird to use both scions and kasrkin as scions.

Sadly veterans don't have carapace anymore :<

>>54230091
You realise + means add as in addition right.

And that changing any result of a die roll is a modifier right.

>Slethial did not hesitate. As he reached the black-bone figure, he lashed out with his gauntlet, driving a deep wound in the warrior’s flank that cut through its armour like a razor cutting through flesh. It was deeply satisfying as the figure slumped to one knee but that was merely a sting – a debilitating move to slow the enemy down so Slethial could face it mask to eye as he delivered the killing blow. Not even pausing to relish the prowess of his art, Slethial came around the front of the figure and rammed both his hydra gauntlets into its chest. Eight deadly blades punched through the warrior’s back, every one piercing a major organ.

>‘My sister sends her regards,’ he spat, only for his expression to change dramatically a few seconds later. Rather than falling down in agony, the warrior actually got back on its feet. For the first time, Slethial saw its eyes and watched, fascinated and terrified, as they burned like pyres.

>It was not supposed to be like this. His enemy was meant to look upon his own agonised visage and despair, yet the apparition reached out for Slethial’s mask instead and tore it off.

>Slethial felt powerless, as if he had already fled his body and was watching events play out without the will or agency to influence them. He managed to tear a gauntlet free, noting the absence of blood on the blades, and raise his hand. Fingers clenched into a claw, Slethial gripped the edge of the black-bone warrior’s faceplate just as he felt his own neck seized by that same enemy’s armoured glove. Defiantly, he tore the faceplate away and what he saw there with his one remaining eye turned his blood to ice. What little colour was left in the succubus’s face drained away. It took his soul with it as Slethial was literally scared to death and knew at last the true meaning of fear.

>>54230103
his is from a short story where Dark Eldar encounter the Legion of the Damned. This Dark Eldar dude removed the helmet of a Legion of Damned marine and died of fear but I wanna now why. What's under the mask, teggee?

>>54230091
Adding or subtracting from the roll is, be its definition, modifying the roll.

I know you might be legitimately autistic, even if you are "shitposting". I think anyone who would shitpost about something so blatantly retarded in the middle of the night (or when you at least know Americans are asleep) probably has deepseated mental issues they are avoiding dealing with. So, hope you get some brain help, anon.

>>54230091
They all add to the rolls now. Modifiers modify the roll. Dragoons subtract 1 from hit rolls against shooting attacks against them for instance. Few if any units modify BS/WS.