/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

First for /tg/ autists and their D&D style power wank ruining games.

>>54204193
Don't you dare get meta on me. elsewise we'll get the boomsticks out and evil dead this place up

>>54204169
Putting out a supplement for a game that isn't out yet seems retarded. Hopefully this means that the devs have most of the core rules for Deviant down and are just going to pump that shit out the second WW gives the ok.

>>54204255
Ahem, it's been a long time since I've said this:
DO IT, FAGGOT.

>>54204281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBUukC3m1BU

>>54204255
maybe i've been away for too long, but how is this a bad thing?

>>54204510
clearly its a reference to Methuselah gypsy vampires rising from the sands just to get punched out by orbital sun lasers

inb4 screeching vampfag autists

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>>54204637

I asked this last thread but tumblranon derailed everything by shitting up the place.

How do you guys make interesting Banes and Bans for unusual spirits? The traditional stuff is easy, salt and ashes repels ghosts, rue or holy water wards plague spirits, but how do you make something for weird shit like a Magath of computer and rat spirits, or the concept of a vandalized building?

>mages can't stop jerking themselves off
>vamps have a huge inferiority complex about the fact that their progenitor would get rekt by a powerful mage
>werewolves are content to masturbate to furry porn without disturbing anyone
Are woofs the biggest bros of the big three?

>>54204707
Get philosophical, or use actual lore when it comes to such things.
Examples:
>a Magath of computer and rat spirits
>Bane: Roaches
>Reason: The creator of the word debug created the word after she took the case off her malfunctioning computer and found it had a roach nest in it
>Vandalized Building
>Ban: Can suffer no locks, barred entryways, or means to prevent entrance or egress on it's premises
>Reason: It must respect the idea of squatters

>>54204735
woofs have learned to be humble

they're not the strongest or the weakest
so they just don't give a shit

>>54204815
Thanks anon.

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>>54195422
>>54196042
I think you're under the mistaken belief that "Pulp" necessarily means silly or ridiculous. While its true that incredible and often insane events occur in these kinds of stories, there's no reason the characters themselves can't take the subject matter seriously.

The example I gave of fighting the Men in Black in space with martial arts [while riding dragons] may seem odd, but its just par for the course for Ascension's pulpy base. I don't think Awakening is necessarily a more "serious" game, its just not pulp so it has a different tone.

Something like Buck Rogers or Indiana Jones or Kill Bill or Way of the Dragon or other cinematic examples of Ascension's genre[s] isn't necessarily silly just because a lot of weird and strange things often appear in them. You just have to suspend disbelief and except the premise of the setting, that you are defining your own reality in contrast and competition with other people.

Its at that point where you can shoot at faeries on the moon with your bright red and yellow ray-gun and think "This is awesome" instead of "This is too weird to take seriously."

Where the list of splats that are going to be included in Dark Eras 2? I don't see it on the OPP page.

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>>54204666

I'm convinced that mages aren't as powerful as people seem to think.

I've never actually touched Mage, Ascension or Awakening, but all of this mishap just screams Overt Exaggeration to me.

I have played Masquerade, Requiem and Lost and all three are powerful in their own right. And really... Mages are HUMAN MORTALS. They are going to die in a single hit. Celerity? Forget about it, that's not something a wizard can dodge.

I'm convinced trolls aren't as funny as people seem to think.

They've never actually touched anyone, boys or girls, but all this mishap just screams Total Faggot to me.

I have been on /pol/, /b/, and /co/ and all three have pretty good trolls in their own right. And really, WoDtrolls are SJWs. They are going to Tumblr in a single click. Gender? Forget about it they have like six of those.

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Can a Ventrue do pic related with Domination 1?

>>54205201
I bet you think mages can beat exalts

Jesus, just stop. Mage Supremacy is honest to god not real. it's the /tg/ equivalent of 'the jews did it'

>>54205201
YOU SAID THE BAD PLACE NOW WE'RE GONNA GET FUCKED

>>54205249
NO NO NO YOU CAN'T MENTION /POL/ AND JEWS IN THE SAME THREAD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

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>>54205021
you're confusing variety with quality. Suspension of disbelief is the willingness to go along with a few odd plots. not the destruction of coherent ideas mix smashed together

BR = scifi - tech
IJ = nazi mysticism
KB = modern samurai

Now put all those things in a blender hit puree. Now you have a bunch of confused samurai treasure hunting for High tech centuries old cellphone swords that shoot coded lasers. Each one individually is not that hard to say ok I'm in. but together it breaks. Which is where Asc eventually falls apart. There is critical mass of pulp that these games continuously strive to meet, and then surpass. Its encouraged and hard coded into the game setting and system

>>54204707
>tumblranon derailed everything by shitting up the place.

Nope, if you look at the thread, a reasonable lefty and a black muslim gently explain their viewpoints, and get snarlwords and insults thrown at them in return. This is carried on by some other dickhead that throws insults back. Don't blame others for your lack of reading comprehension.

>>54205249
>Mage Supremacy is honest to god not real

It most certainly is real! It lurks in your closet, under your bed, hidden deep within your sexually repressed mind.

TUMBLR TUMBLR TUMBLR

>>54205297
The fact that anything they said could identify them as a lefty or black Muslim makes them unwelcome. Not for being those things, but for trying to bring it into /tg/.

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>>54205213
Possible Yes. Reliable No

https://www.patreon.com/Aspel
Don't forget to give me money!

I honestly can't tell if people are trolling or not anymore

/wodg/ has gotten -that- bad.

>>54205365
What smells like a troll to you, because I'm not seeing it?

>>54205326
>I identify as a plastic bag
ok that's a weird one but I'm sure you'll find someone to hate you for it. keep looking follow your draw string

>>54205375
The above idiots.

>>54205326
So why are you even in this thread about a game line that was championing what you call leftist opinion within it's books before you were born?

>>54205375
>>54205363

>>54205161
Biggest Troll ever

>>54205365
You're assumption it was ever good was your own foully. It's just summerfags who think they're tough shit. Come September it'll die down again

>>54205395
Because the game can be separated from that shit and isn't actually bad.

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>>54205288
Except it doesn't fall apart because the central metaphysic and organizations tie it together.

If the general premise of the setting is "There are people out there who can define their own reality. Who can look at what is, and reject it wholesale in favor of something else"

Then that means there's going to be a bit of a kitchen sink going on. For every order of nuns out there calling down the angels of God to save men's souls there's going to be some assclown who think's he's Kamen Rider.

The degree of pulp is kind of over the top, but then that's the whole point. Its the same beautiful madness that pervades John Carter or the old Conan movies.

The point being that there's nothing stopping you from having serious plots in Ascension [hell I'm running one now], its just that the genre is and will remain Pulp and that's going to influence the tone.

>>54205363
obscure bait reference. Not a lot of people remember him

I think it's best if we all just acknowledge mage supremacy and move on with our lives.

>>54205417
How?
Masquerade is fucking immersed in it, hell, all of classic WoD bears it as it's title theme.
I think the only difference is you aren't old enough to remember when WoD was THE counter culture rpg steeped in anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporate interest and punk mystique.

>>54205449
We have to teach the guy who thinks mages die in one hit and cant avoid celerity..

I hate you fuckers so much, if I could hate someone to death I would have done it by now.

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>>54205426
>The degree of pulp is kind of over the top,
Exactly so we agree it is purposely an absurdist game

JohnCarter - Barbarian on mars (fantasy world)
Conan - Just barbarian in fantasy

Those are consistent worlds with their own internal logic. definitely not absurdist

>>54205449
That will never happen. The Magefags don't want that. They expect others to contest their alleged supremacy.

Without conflict, their lives are meaningless and hollow.

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>>54205549
It is purposely an existentialist game, and its purposely a kitchen sink game. Both within the confines of an internal logic and a consistent world.

I wouldn't call that absurdist. There's a difference between crazy stuff happening just for crazy stuff to happen, and crazy stuff happening because the setting says crazy stuff is bound to happen.

>>54205631
I should clarify here that by "consistent world" I mean a consistent setting. The world itself is a contradictory mess of conflicting paradigms, and that by design.

Is the tumblrfag gone?

>>54205249
>'the jews did it'

>Lions of Zion

>Don't get me started about how the Lions were excised from M20 because Brucato and his ilk are bigoted douches who get triggered by Jewish national self-determination

>SJW antisemites

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>>54205631
Random thoughts becoming reality is the definition of crazy things happening for crazy things to happen

>>54203060
>Do Paradigms actually inspire creativity in Ascension without fail? I was under the impression that they were actually ignored a good chunk of the time and otherwise easily abused.

Yes and no. By itself it doesnt, it requires a DM who will use Paradigm as stick to say yes or no to the players. Ascension is the ultimate "mother may i?" game. But require a DM who is not an asshat and is gonna make Paradigm matter. It also help if you have player buy in. Is a difficult balance to get but when you reach that sweet pot Ascension is awesome.

>>54204707
>How do you guys make interesting Banes and Bans for unusual spirits? The traditional stuff is easy, salt and ashes repels ghosts, rue or holy water wards plague spirits, but how do you make something for weird shit like a Magath of computer and rat spirits, or the concept of a vandalized building?

I check a similar spirit and make up a ban similar to that one. As for Bane i make shit up. Example: In the current game of Forsaken i am DMing the pack choose as its Totem Wise Lost the Magath of Knowledge and Strays from predators.

Its ban is to never refuse an offer of knowledge. And for Ban i wanted something more knowledge related but also weird (magath being unholy abominations) so i choose a "A burning Cambridge encyclopedia which is overdue to a library"

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>>54205707
No, the crazy things are happening because I, or someone else in the setting wants them to happen.

Its the "I'm going to make my own X, with blackjack and hookers!" effect. Only the X is the universe.

>>54204278
>Putting out a supplement for a game that isn't out yet seems retarded. Hopefully this means that the devs have most of the core rules for Deviant down and are just going to pump that shit out the second WW gives the ok.

You seem to have forgotten that Mage 2e had not yet been released when OPP published the original Dark Eras. Nevertheless, the Mage chapters, The Sundered World and To The Strongest, were great.

Think of any Deviant material in DE2 as a big spoiler or preview. Let's just hope it seems more Mage-y, and not at all Beast-y.

>>54205746
>Its the "I'm going to make my own X, with blackjack and hookers!" effect. Only the X is the universe.

Is there a rpg universe without blackjack and hookers? If so, that would be more horror than anything ever published by OPP.

>>54205700
SJWs and PC tards are the most pretentious kind of asshats

>>54203060
>>54205743
I don't entirely agree with this anon. I tend to just run paradigm as "Be thematic with your magic" and have the PCs make up their own limits.

For instance the Hermetic requires a reflective surface [or a drawn circle] to scry things.

The miko requires her talisman ofuda to use a lot of banishing or Spirit-harming effects.

And so on. I'm usually very lenient on what I allow for paradigm and foci as long as the player is roleplaying something. I tend not to make it a straitjacket.

/wodg/ Do you ever get an idea for a game that you know is stupid as fuck, yet have the uncontrollable urge to run it anyway?

>>54205746

World of Dinosaurs or Chronicles of Dinosaurs

>we all know how the metaplot ends in WOD

>>54205808
Yes and I usually do because I lack any sense of impulse control.

So are Sin-eaters like a combination of Shinigami from Bleach, Jojo's bizarre adventure, and Ghost rider?

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>>54205856
Yes.

>>54205869
Bitching. Can't wait for 2e.

>>54205840
>>54205808
I'm finding myself wanting to run a Banchou themed W:tF game. I know this is retarded but something about Werewolves with pompadours and bats with rebellion spirits bound to them fighting other gangs and The Man with manly justice in 1990s Japan seems so stupid it might just loop around and be amazing.

Somebody talk me out of this insane idea.

>>54205901
Actually that sounds like a game I'd love to be part of.

You should have them dress like something straight out of Grease with hot rods and motorcycle jackets. And the pack den could be like an Americana themed honky tonk.

>>54205700
>Don't get me started about how the Lions were excised from M20 because Brucato and his ilk are bigoted douches who get triggered by Jewish colonialism
ftfy

>>54205297
>reasonable
gr8 b8, m8

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>>54205953
>Ottomon Empire falls, League of Nations/Britain forms Israel out of part of the remains.
>Arabs make up a phony nationality to make a claim on the land, despite already cutting the Mandate in half once before to create Jordan.
>Jews say fuck it we'll take a quarter of what we were originally promised.
>All the surrounding countries invade, get BTFO by Yahweh, Uncle Sam, and the Kikes.
>Fake Arab nationality gets nothing because Egypt and Jordan take their share.
>Fast forward thirty years, same thing happens, Jews now have all the land they were promised.
>Fast forward another fifty years, Arab states still pissy.

Oh man, I wonder what will happen next.

>They invade again eventually
>Kikes take even more land.

>>54205470
Oh, I remember. It was funny as hell to invert it and playing as Technocrats shutting down punk festivals and rounding up potential terrorists for reeducation, or as Camarilla vampires that took over Anarch domains and pushed them into Lupine territory.
That is the beauty of an rpg, you don't have to follow the retarded politics of the authors, you can take what you like and rework the rest

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>>54205934
Basically pic related but with spirit magic.

>>54206022
Wait why do you think it'd be stupid?

Why aren't Jews represented more in Ascension? Their entire cultural is a mystical one.

>>54206062
'Japanese Delinquent Gangs' and 'Shamanistic Wolfmen' aren't really two things that you'd normally mix.

>>54206084
because that would trigger the ayyrabs and Jews are too white for modern SJW sensibilities

>>54206125
Jews are too white? what? Caucasoids encompass Europeans, north Africans, middle-easterners and 1/2 of Indians.

>>54206098
Which is exactly why it would be amazing. Do it anon. Believe in me who believes in you and all that bullshit.

Do you know what sucks?

Because Satyros Poopy Brucato is unfit to work on anything else, Mage20 has a dedicated, incompetent developer, and will continue to receive dedicated support, while Mage 2.0 receives less respect as a line from OPP than the Dark Eras supplements even, with the first already getting its companion, because it's lead developer is DaveB, who's just slutted out all over the place by OPP, to every other new line it can think of.

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>>54205470
People really need to read the first edition PDFs. They are so 90's it hurts. The nostalgia man, god, the nostalgia. And if you didn't live through it, perhaps you might understand...

But in Mage specifically you will learn something else. The game was very different in its first iteration than what you have in Revised. Or even second. All the elements that make it mage were still there, but the feel of the setting were just so different, so fucking 90's, when the Matrix was fresh (before the sequel messed with the mystique), it borrowed heaaaaavily from that. Just read the intro fic, and go from there. It's really great stuff, and hell, can inspire for some nice retrogaming.

>>54206084
>>54206125
>>54206145

>Why aren't Jews represented more in Ascension? Their entire cultural is a mystical one.

I believe the WW party line is that Jews are already very well represented both in the Technocratic Union and in powerful and influential Traditions like the Order of Hermes and Celestial Chorus, and therefore they don't need to be represented by minor crafts.

>Jews apparently control the Traditions, the Union and the World
>Typical WW ethnic and religious stereotyping with clear antisemitic tropes
>Be thankful there wasn't a WOD: The Jews. To the extent possible, it would have been worse than WOD: Gypsies.

>>54206575
People also need to stop confusing 90s punk culture with modern day tumblr bullshit.
Not wanting to be a wageslave for The Man is not the same as being an omnigendered gerbilkin

>>54206006

That's a lot of nothing you're looking to claim.

>>54206605

There is a sidebar addressing this in syndicate revised.

>>54205953
>Brucato and his ilk are bigoted douches who get triggered by Jewish colonialism

But apparently, if your not "white," either you cannot be judged by your inclusion in a group or your groups can be forgiven no matter the historical or contemporary atrocity.

The issue with the Lions of Zion is not whether you like their dogma, but rather that an established and generally liked craft in Ascension canon was excised due to standards that didn't apply to groups that were not considered "white" or western.

You can dislike and criticize Israel all you want, but when you apply a double standard to Jews overall, you're an antisemite, plain and simple.

Moreover, it's ironic that much of the hard Left supports cultures and peoples who would kill them or worse without a second though, such a throwing gays off buildings, but demonizes Israel and the Jews who generally are very socially liberal.

>>54206575
>They are so 90's it hurts.

>cell phones were magic

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What the equivalent of the main "breeds" for each splat?

>>54206686
>There is a sidebar addressing this in syndicate revised.

Really???

Can you post a JPG and page #?

>>54206022
Is the one with the biggest pompadour the pack alpha?

>>54206718
>you're an antisemite

And?

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>>54206783
Page 26

>>54206605
If it were as bad or worse as WoD:Gypsies, it would have started with the name, so WoD:Kikes.

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>>54206861

>>54206605
what special abilities would Jews in WoD: Jews have?

>>54206659
Very much so - it was a very different sort of counterculture. What we see now has been coopted by nasty little political groups driving agendas which on face value seem sweet and benevolent to the well wishers who eat them up, but turn into authoritarian poison when institutionalized.

>>54206944
A dot in resources for every point they've invested in their power stat.

Has anyone compiled all the Numina and Dread Powers into one list so I don't have to?

>>54206859
>you're an antisemite
>And?

You might be proud of it, but Brucato and those like him at WW/OPP would deny it vehemently.

>>54205470
Anti-authoritarianism isn't leftism. In fact nowadays its rather the opposite.

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>>54206718
Brucato even went so far as to suggest the Lions of Zion were on some level comparable to ISIL. Consider the level of degeneracy that entails. Vile.

>>54206944
This is literally RaHoWa now. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

>>54206944
>what special abilities would Jews in WoD: Jews have?

They don't need any ethnic powers. They should simply be permitted to organize in Crafts as any and every other ethnic, religious or cultural group.

I'm not arguing that the WOD needs "super magical Jews." I'm complaining that to many of the hard left like Brucato, the thought of organized Jews who hold extremely mainstream opinions such as support for Jewish national self-determination is considered "triggering" and cannot be tolerated in the game, despite every other group they can think of having representation. Jews are apparently too "white," "western," assimilated and successful to be subject to their purported values of "inclusion," "diversity" and "tolerance."

At least the hard right is open about their bigotry, but the hard left believes themselves too virtuous to realize their hypocrisy. Antisemites come in many flavors.

>>54206575
>All the elements that make it mage were still there, but the feel of the setting were just so different, so fucking 90's, when the Matrix was fresh

Mage 1st was way before the matrix.

>>54207110
That wasn't the question though. Your rant, while entertaining, doesn't answer how to make Super Magic Jews, which was the actual question. Try reading. It's surprisingly useful.

>>54206605
>WoD is literally /pol/
This is too fucking good.

>>54207071
>Brucato even went so far as to suggest the Lions of Zion were on some level comparable to ISIL

Indeed, but don't you dare say anything against the Religion of Peace(tm), lest you unfairly stereotype and malign billions of people, a great many of whom routinely slaughter not only westerners, but their own coreligionists in far greater numbers.

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>>54206944
>>54207110
We all know what powers the Jews have.

>>54206659
Yeah, I'd say that while the left still retains a bit in some circles, as a whole the right is far more meaningfully countercultural nowadays.

>>54207145

Vampires are Reality Deviants and thus cannot be part of the Syndicate.

>bad house rules

Why is this thread about Jews now? This isn't /pol/.

>>54207169
>Implying the Syndicate wouldn't hire a Vamp if it made them a buck in the long run.

>>54207103
White Wolf began that when they published WoD: Gypsies

>>54205953
It's not colonialism, the Jews lacked a homeland, they needed one. If the Jews had had somewhere else to go, and claimed Israel as extra, then your point would be true, but that's not the case.

>>54207174
>Why is this thread about Jews now? This isn't /pol/.

The discussion is about Brucato's excision of the Lions of Zion from M20, and how a few Anon's defense of him do little more the demonstrate the antisemitism of the hard left.

>>54207202
Wait, is that actually a thing? I thought that was a meme.

>>54207174
Because some jackass is butthurt that 'the lions of zion' or whatever weren't included in M20 and won't shut up about it.

At this point I'm hoping for North Korea to firebomb Jerusalem and do the whole world a favor.

>>54207221
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/World_of_Darkness%3A_Gypsies
And the old pre-Revised Ravnos Clanbook refers to it quite a lot

>>54207221
>Wait, is that actually a thing? I thought that was a meme.

Oh no, WOD:Gypsies is very, very real.

It's a stain on WW's SJW soul that they will never be allowed to forget.

Every time they virtue signal or demand readers accommodate leftist ideology, they will be reminded of WOD: Gypsies.

>Never Forget, Never Forgive

What rule books do I need right now to run Hunter?

>>54207248
Why not just make 1 PDF instead of spamming all the separate pages?

>>54207227
>North Korea to firebomb Jerusalem

They can certainly try, but they'd probably hit Jordan or Egypt, and the Left, like always would blame the Jews.

>>54207261

I prefer the +3 Jewbane Dagger from Charnel Houses of Europe.

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>>54207269
Because you just suggested it to me.

>>54207285
The fact that the extreme Left has taken a stance on the Jews that puts /pol/ to shame will never stop being funny.

>>54206861

My god, there really is a "The Jewish Syndicate" sidebar.

Who did WW believe was reading their books that they believed the sidebar was even necessary?

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>>54207296
really, for all that praise that Charnel Houses of Europe gets, it held some quite offensive depictions of jews. Guess WW was alt-right all along.

>>54207113
Shit, brainfart.

>>54207306
>The fact that the extreme Left has taken a stance on the Jews that puts /pol/ to shame will never stop being funny.

Despite the classical liberalism that pervades Jewish culture, the Left will eventually alienate enough Jews to effectively lose all support.

I relish the day when Jews go Republican, the Left realizes they alienated a linchpin member of their purported "big tent," and the Democrats complete their mission of committing political suicide.

>>54207296
Wait, is that actually a thing? Screenshot/link please. I need this.

>>54207326
>or all that praise that Charnel Houses of Europe gets, it held some quite offensive depictions of jews.

Is the author, Rich Dansky, a practicing Jew?

>>54207312
The kinds of people with the money, free time, and proclivities to be into this sort of thing. AKA edgy teenagers.

>>54207306
I don't think it puts /pol/ to shame, they're full on gas the kikes race war now territory.

>>54207381
Jews have almost as much self-hate as Whites though.

>>54207227
Tumblr or /pol/? It's disturbingly hard to tell.

>>54207359
Why would they care? There not that many Jews and they don't live in areas that matter.

>>54207460
Cultural influence. They have money, lobbies, and connections. They're basically the only old power group firmly on the leftist side.

>>54207267
ur mom

This discussion is one big tumor

Either go back to mage faggotry or discuss something that is actually interesting.

>>54207267
blue book and Hunter: The Vigil is all you need.

>>54206718
Leftists are scum, what else is new?

>>54207529
like what, for example?

>>54207529
What's wrong with it?

>>54207205
>the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.
>acquiring full or partial political control over another country
check
>occupying it with settlers
check
>exploiting it economically
check

>>54207555
Something that doesn't involve big noses

>>54207561
Everything

>>54207563
>ANOTHER country
They had no country to begin with, they had no choice.

>>54207555
How about our expectations for the 2EDs of Changeling, Geist and Hunter?

>>54207576
Care to be a bit more specific? I don't see any problems.

>>54207616
>expectations for 2EDs of Changeling, Geist and Hunter

I expect magefags to crawl out from their grease hols and discuss the various ways to screw them over.

>>54207563
>exploited
they built the country up from the mess that the Brits had left them.
All the ayyrabs would have to do is show serious and lasting willingness to be peaceful. The IDF actually tries its best - within reasonable limits - to not fuck up the civies. Israel prospers while the rest of the Middle East is either a dictatorship or torn up by radicals

>>54207616
They'll be trash just like the rest of CofD?

>>54207616
I have high hopes for Geist
I am wary of Changeling because of Hill's faggotry, but now that he is finally excised, perhaps one can be optimistic
I know not enough about Hunter, but the core premise (mortals kicking the ass of supernaturals) should not be too difficult to fuck up

>>54207683
What kind of faggotry were we dealing with here?

>>54207366

It is but I'd need to find a PDF of the book again. It's not something I keep about on my PC.

>>54207644
We only just got a preview of Changeling 2.0 and magefags ruined it.

>"HUR DUR I CAN UNMAKE TRU FAY GAIS"

>>54207652
>tries its best
They shouldn't be there in the first place, it would be like the Saudi army "trying its best" to not hurt people in an occupation of Norway. They have no reason or right to be there at all.

>>54207709

I'll admit, I've never realised just how much I hate Mage until I started reading these threads.

>>54207529
I'll take /pol/ talk over the who would win stuff any day of the week

>>54207503
Why do you even post here?

What is a good strength specialty for a former footballer who is adept at tackles? Looking for one for athletics too but I think Football sufices right?

>>54207743
There is a third option: Constructive discussion that isn't retarded. Fun>Jews>Magefags

>>54207743
Who would win in a fight?

/pol/ or /tg/ ?

>>54207764
What kind of fight are we talking here?

>>54207759
I'm honestly not so sure. It's been what, nearly two months now since this all started and it shows no signs of slowing down

>>54207772
All out autism

>>54207776
Magefags have been ruining these threads since mid-January

I am convinced that they're coordinating all of this.

>>54207779
If we count /pol/'s esoteric conspiracy theories, like the archon shit, then they win. Otherwise /tg/ takes it for waifu obsession.

>>54207794
>I BET THE MAGEFAGS DID THIS

>>54207776
What started it?

>>54207794
Followup question: Discounting the utter shitshow of cyoagen is there a worse general than this?

>>54207794
OY VEY THE SLEEPERS KNOW SHUT IT DOWN!

>>54207827
What's so bad about cyoagen?

>>54207794
I remember the first big flamewar that really kicked it all off happening like late may/early july. Since then it's been almost constant, with it lulling for a while before coming back for something bigger and worse. Christ it even went cross game at one point
I'm just waiting for crossover chronicle, that's either going to bury the hachet and make things better or finally kill theses threads for good

>>54207827
>This anon has never been to /pfg/ or any of the MTG threads.
Keep it that way, Anon. If /wodg/ is the worst you have been spared the pure unfiltered autism of those threads.

>>54207839
Don't you even fucking ask that

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>>54207145

>>54207844
Sorry no. /cyoag/ is 10x worse than any other thread on here, including /pfg/

You're clearly a delirious baboon if you think otherwise.

>>54207846
I genuinely don't know. I'd also like to.

>>54207839
Cyoagen sounds like some experimental Russian bioweapon. Probably why the thread is such cancer.

>>54207827
Does it say something about me that those are the only two threads I follow regularly?

>>54207844
/pfg/ isn't as bad as this place. Their games have imbalance issues and do you see them running around having arguments about it taking up whole threads?

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>>54207145

He's even worse than a jew.

>>54207862
>"Discounting the utter shitshow of cyoagen"
Read, Nigga, read.

>>54207839
>>54207864
It's full of fucking waifus n' lewd shit.

People disregard quality works just to imagine where to stick their dicks in imaginary anime girls.

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>>54207900
Yeah, why do people feel the need to do that? It is really annoying.

>>54207616
>How about our expectations for the 2EDs of Changeling, Geist and Hunter?

I expect for changeling to fail miserably and only being play by the sycophants like Arcane arts, sorta like the new beast of OPP.

Hunter is gonna be alright

Geist will probably be good but nobody would play it and is gonna go the way of the mummy.

Then V5 is gonna drop, fail miserably too and Dracula is gonna blame OPP for "diluting" its brand and pull the plug followed by a few years of decline and Paradox pulling the plug on White Wolf.

Fast foward 7 years and we are back here again complaining that Fantasy Flight games bought the license and is gonna release "Deep-one: the deepening."

>>54207864
You might as well go have a look right now, anon

It's already getting bad over there, not that it's ever NOT bad.

>>54207872
Fuck it, I'm stealing this. Next crossover game will have Cherion using cyoagen as a prototype weapon against supernatural horrors.

>>54207709
>unmaking true fae

Yes, but is there any grain of truth to this?

>>54207694
>What kind of faggotry were we dealing with here?

Written by a Weeaboo that claims with a straight face that he is an anarchist while moving to japan.

Basically you play his way and any other intepretation of the setting is wrong. All ogres escape through violence and fuck you if you think or come up with something different.

Courts are all generic now and the shittiest mechanics of 1st edition (Dreams, fate spining) are front and center now. The true fae are not the enemy anymore but Huntsmen and all the game revolves around them.

>>54207827
>shitshow of cyoagen

Whats cyoagen?

>>54208001
>CYOA

Choose Your Own Adventure

>>54208001
Choose your own adventure general

>tfw not even mad about Dark Eras 2 being shit because i'm boycotting the company

feels smug

>>54208177
>Dark Eras 2 being shit
How so?

>>54207974
>They kept Honor being tied to Chi when they ported it

Meditation rolls, motherfucker. There are rules for it right in the CoD core.

>>54208180

it isn't exclusively Mummy content

>>54208177
>boycotting
>feels smug

Were you born a faggot or converted?

>>54208216
How does one convert over to being a faggot?

>>54208219
I'm sure the magefags have a rote for it.

>>54208216

We're fall faggots here

>>54208219

i'm actually a lesbian

tee hee

>>54208219

take a load of poz goo in the dumper

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>>54208253

Did Thousand Years of Night get posted yet?

>>54208219
you become infected by the Gay Agenda™

>>54208253
You deserve to be gassed for this post.

>>54207907
Can we not do this?

>>54208001
Refined cancer.

>>54208180
>Dark Era
One Thousand and One Nights - Islamic Golden Age (750 C.E. to Present).
Beast: The Primordial and Vampire: The Requiem:
>(750 C.E. to Present).
>to Present
That's how.

>>54208572
Are they fucking serious?

>>54204169
So I've only caught up to back when it was still the New World of Darkness.

What are the new books like? I've looked them up online and they come off as bizarrely niche in terms of supernatural focus.

Is the Deviant one worth buying?

>>54208586
Deviant isn't even out yet you fucking retarded faggot.

>>54208598
WOAH

Calm down, bucko.

>>54208598
The Kickstarter worth it?

>>54207839
There is somebody literally ERPing in the current cyoagen.

>>54208608
Go fuck yourself nigger.

How would I tone down my mage PCs in my Ascension games?

I'm usually told to use sorcerers, but they seem lacking.
How would I reach a middle ground?

>>54208667
Don't play mage, it's a shit game for fucking faggots.

>>54208667
Start them off at Arete 1 or 2
Mages in oWoD are pretty limited until Arete 4

>>54208692
Did I not just tell you to calm down?

Maybe let the thread be productive for once?

>>54208700
Go choke on an engorged cock you waste of oxygen.

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>>54208598
>>54208656
>>54208692
>>54208718
There is no need to be upset Anon.

>>54208783
I hope you die slowly, painfully, and alone.

Deviant better not come out before Signs and Sigil.

>>54207712
>hey shouldn't be there in the first place

Jews have continually lived in the Levant since before recorded history. The canard that Jews are outsiders to the Middle East is antisemitic drivel.

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>>54208801
Anon pls. Why so angry?

>>54208667
Speaking of Mages. At what point does Awakening stop being a street level game? I like running really long games and I'm curious at what point I should worry about creating more background than just for the starting city.

>>54207759
>Fun>Jews>Magefags

>Acanthus Mage of the Free Council
>Techne Specialty: Kabbalah

>>54208888
Dem quads. Also around the 4th Arcana dot. The starting city won't become irrelevant though, the scale of the threats and players just dials up.

>>54207794
>I am convinced that they're coordinating all of this.

>Orders direct from the bunker of the Secret Jewish Cabal

>>54208882
Because you're a fucking faggot who doesn't deserve to live.

>>54207938
>Hunter is gonna be alright

>Ashwood Abbey
>Poor Man's Seers of the Throne

>>54208881
Only Mizrahi Jews have any claim to be native to the area, and they're at most half of the Israeli Jewish population. Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews are not native to the area at all.

>>54208896
Okay?

>>54208180
>Dark Eras 2 being shit
>How so?

Mage only has half of a chapter, and it's shared with Deviant which probably will not be released in 2045.

>>54208253
>i'm actually a lesbian

>still too much cis prvilige

>>54208888
As soon as you start.

Starting Moros walking around with 11 armor, immune to AP or downgrading all lethal to bashing if it even does damage isnt street level.

>>54207862
It's where people LARP online. What do you expect.

>>54208450

Yes. Here you go:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/1rsyhh

>>54209010
Again, literal ERP going on in the current one.

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>>54208995
>Starting Moros walking around with 11 armor,

How?

Also, Mage Armors do not stack. Only one can be active at a time, and it costs a Mana to switch.

Did they decide to revise mummy yet?

>>54209052
Fucking nigger faggot I hope you know that your life is meaningless and pathetic.

>>54207267
Hunter: The Vigil.

Or you can use Corebook and supplements for Humans.

>>54209067
That would require people to actually care about Mummy.

>>54209056
I know mage armour cant stack, but reflexive changing is easy depending on situation

Ritual cast "Nigredo & Albedo" on whatever gear you can get, its easy to get +8 or more, if you want to recast once a month or even week. You dont need to raise ballistic armor because you can use death mage armour.

>>54209120
AEGIS spell oops

>>54209120
If you're playing with people who powergame to that extent, they're the problem.

>>54209144
That's everyone in this thread anon.

>>54209144
They're not the problem, it's the ST. Players being cautions and utilizing their full capabilities is nothing to be ashamed of.

Mages are all about prep, get used to it. If the ST doesn't prevent his/her players from deploying such advantages, then there's your problem.

>>54209144
Ritual casting = power gaming,

go fuck yourself, your the problem. Why wouldnt you buff yourself to the gills if you could?

>>54209144
Thats not even near close to powergaming.

The thyrsus with defense 17 who gives his cabal it also, combined with the +8 armour from the moros, isnt even powergaming, its two cabal members buffing each other..

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>>54209144
>be mage
>thrust into a world where real friends are few and far between and danger is around every corner
>seriously, there are emperor god kings who have it out for you and they have a zealot army that wants to fuck you up
>and then there are the monsters from unreality who exist just to punk you into doing stupid shit like blowing yourself up with your own magic
>not to mention fucking vampires and werewolves are real, and they aren't nice
>also there are mortals who know about you and literally hunt you
>even worse, be moros and most likely have a very enhanced awareness of just how fragile life is
>use your magic to ritually cast a spell to turn your clothes into armor because you like being alive
>even though it seems like a paltry defense against everything that wants to kill you or condemn you to a terrible fate
>your friend thinks this makes you a dick

>>54209164
You literally just described what powergaming is. You can optimize any system, but it usually ruins the purpose of playing it in the first place.

>>54209156
Case in point
>>54209163
>>54209164
>>54209220
>>54209300

>>54209220
Then what exactly is powergaming to you?

>>54209306
Um have you even played mage you utter retard. Are you aware how easy it is to have your shit dispelled?

When your up against world eating anti time gods (prince of 100,000 leaves for example) you need that shit.

unlike some faggot vampire who is up against some fucking gang banger.

>>54209067
>tfw they blacklisted the one person who would want a 2e

>>54209348
Starting tier characters should not be fighting world eating abyssal gods.

>>54209329
I would say in mage nothing? Its the entire point/theme of the game that you have huge power and how you use it.

>>54209378
Go back to punching old ladies to feed yourself you vampire faggot

>>54209382
The point of the game is to use the power granted, not abuse the rules until they cough up more.

>>54209394
What do vampires have to do with this?

>>54209404
How is it abusing the rules? Explain it to me? How would you as a ST say "No you cant do that"
without being a raging faggot?

>>54209404
The theme of the game IS to abuse the rules

kek

>>54207986
Who is this Weaboo writer?

>>54209329
Not him, but I'm pretty sure it's exclusively building your character to make him as strong as you can possibly get him, paying no mind to actually fleshing him out and making progressions and choices according to what he would do. Mages have access to tons of power as a matter of course, because it's their thing. Using that power isn't powergaming just because it makes them strong.

>>54209418
The ST wouldn't, but nor should they have to. Saying no would be kind of being a raging faggot, but so is players doing it in the first place. And it's abusing the rules because it's circumventing one of the whole points of the setting.

>>54209444
How is it circumventing the setting?

>>54209434
Were you reading the same books I was?

>>54209455
mages shrugging off bullets is part of the setting right?

>>54209460
Yes

>>54209455
One of the points of mage is that mages have massive power but fuck up constantly. Optimizing everything runs counter to the whole idea.

>>54209471
Wow, your players or group handicap themselves in every game do they?

>>54209440
It is powergaming when the central conceit of mage is that mages are every bit as irresponsible as they are powerful and their abilities are kept in check by their incompetence.

>>54209120
Unless I'm missing something, you can't do that with Nigredo & Albedo. It says you can only repair objects by restoring lost Structure. Nothing about enhancing them.

>>54209495
Handicap!=Not abuse every single opportunity to make oneself more powerful. Handicap would be ignoring something obvious or reasonable. Powergaming is seeking out something obtuse and ridiculous.

>>54209500
Aegis spell

>>54209506
Whats obtuse and ridiculous about using a printed spell?

>>54209497
The central conceit of Mage is hubris, either becoming a monster or biting off more than you can chew because you think your mastery of Fate makes you a god. Hubris doesn't entail being a bumbling retard who can't have the brilliant idea to change your clothes into armor.

>>54209523
Not just using it, abusing it to render an entire range of potential threats basically irrelevant.

>>54209506
hang on d&d wizard, you cant use magic missile, you must hit it with your staff instead. Wouldnt want to use something you get now would we?

>>54209509
Ah, my bad.

>>54209535
Vs a mundane threat who cares. If your putting mundane roadblocks infront of mages expect them to get smashed through.

Boo hoo, fuck me if a banisher turns up and banishes my armour...what then?

>>54209543
Again, there's a difference between ignoring something obvious and reasonable and not hunting down the obtuse and ridiculous. This would be more like Wish and Word shit, though obviously to a much lesser extent.

>>54209435
David Hill

>>54209578
Threat!=Roadblock. Smashing through roadblocks is well and good, but making it so that something can't post a threat even by surprise at starting power levels is completely absurd.

>>54209580
Ok fuckface how much armour can i add to not be obtuse and ridiculous? And why am i holding back?

>>54209599
cant pose a threat? All that armour wont stop him being possessed, mind controled, a billion other things you fucking cuk.

>>54209535
There are a number of ways to render bullets useless. A Forces 2 Shielding spell against kinetic energy, for example. Or casting Corpse Flesh on yourself, or using Repel with a modifier against bullets. There are more. Guns aren't, or never have been, a threat to Mages who know their shit. Although you have to remember that Disbelief can shut these spells down if it's Sleepers shooting at you and watching you be totally unscathed by a hail of bullets with no apparent forms of defense. If it isn't Sleepers coming at you, guns aren't the only thing they would come at you with.

>>54209605
See that's still a powergame mentality, only with restrictions of "appease internet stranger" as well as just "rules as written". What you should be doing is doing whatever is reasonable for the setting, maybe a bit more if a combination is simple and clear, but not chasing down all the biggest numbers all the time.

>>54209623
A certain type of thing posing a threat, nice strawman.

>>54209636
See all those other things require action. What was being discussed here is completely passive and happens no matter what, that's the problem.

>>54209661
omg, cant cast a starting spell ritually because im a powergaming.

What about if i abuse mind 2 every session and force every bad NPC to bum each other? Cos i could do that too, easier than becoming a tank. I could even do it without them being there.

>>54209661
I think you dont get what is and what isnt a threat to a starting mage because you must have not played it. or you played in a really bad game where all you saw were mortals with guns and thought they were really scary because your group/players were assholes

What dots would be required to make all firearms useless in a select area?

>>54209685
Disbelief can still undo the extra armor on the clothes, if I'm not mistaken. There wouldn't be Paradox because the spell has already been cast, but it can still be shut down.

>>54209697
See powergaming isn't necessarily about what you do, it's about why you do it. You really don't seem to get it at all.

>>54209723
Matter 3 can destroy all guns in a area easily. Nigredo and albedo spell.

>>54209722
They shouldn't be super high-tier threats, but they shouldn't be completely ignorable either.

>>54209729
One does it because one can and not doing it makes you a retard.

You must go half hearted at everything you do then?

>>54209733
I mean more like "gunpowder and bullets just don't work within this small area"

That kind of thing

>>54209733
Probably not a wise course of action though. If it's Sleepers than you get Paradox. If it's not Sleepers guns are the least of your worries.

>>54209495
>Wow, your players or group handicap themselves in every game do they?

Yes cool kids who plays ascension do that. Insecure kids play awakening to feel manly

>>54209749
Trying to beat everything before you even encounter it takes all the fun out of things.

>>54209758
You can eat paradox easily, you should only be getting 1 dice because you shouldnt really be reaching that far, at most you'll have 3ish paradox dice vs your wisdom as bashing, id eat that to stop getting shot at.

>>54209758
This is the point of mage, is it wise or not? Not can i do it or not? Mostly its a case of yes i can do it, but is it a smart idea.

>>54209746
First of all, they aren't always completely ignorable, and being immune to guns isn't even a big deal. It's definitely something that would be thematically appropriate for Mage, because Mages considering themselves above the mundane and being kind of justified in it is part of the fluff.

I love how an anon last thread was saying how mages arent infalible and awakening doesnt in any way or form foments casting the most convenient spell every single time.....and then there are this anons:

>>54208995
>Starting Moros walking around with 11 armor, immune to AP or downgrading all lethal to bashing if it even does damage isnt street level

>>54209164
>go fuck yourself, your the problem. Why wouldnt you buff yourself to the gills if you could?

>>54209434
>The theme of the game IS to abuse the rules

Thank you for proving my point.

>>54208888 To expand on >>54208995
Mage has much the same problem that 3.PF has in that there's this discrepancy between how the setting talks about mages and how they actually perform. Not every wizard in DnD walks around with a contingency casted teleport to their demiplane so they're basically immune to surprises, even though by the rules thats definitely a thing they can do. In the same way, mages in awakening are never presented as constantly having immunity to conventional firearms and also always knowing whats coming up and so on and so on, so the PC's are a bit of an oddity.

>>54209838
Thats because people who write them probably have no clue as to what they are really capable off.

Go read the one good thing in the beast anthrology, DaveB's mage in there is written like a complete know it all dick who is hand holding the beast around. He knows what the fuck mages can do, most writers wont have, hell most of the chars in 1000 nights are totally wrong. Saying mages dont act like X because some shitty writer doesnt get them is stupid.

>>54209418
>How would you as a ST say "No you cant do that"
>without being a raging faggot?

2 options for that either DM would let you do that and then you are zapped with aggravated damage by a master level seer who happen to have forces 5 and space and got 5 successes to avoid withstand because your countermeasure are puny and that kind of counter measure contest is stupid but you still loose.

Or smart DM wanting to run a street level game would check all the uses of arcanums as possible and houserule them to make them weaker or easier to attract disbelief.

>>54209902
"street level" - mage.

Let me off this train wreck.

>>54209838
>mages in awakening are never presented as constantly having immunity to conventional firearms and also always knowing whats coming up and so on and so on, so the PC's are a bit of an oddity.

So an actual good question would be, how one could nerf mages to reflect their fluff.

>>54209799
There's more to consider. I would actually rather take my chances being shot at than get busted for such a huge Veil breach. You can get away with it just being in front of one Sleeper, but destroying the guns right out of the hands of a Sleeper ambush is a huge violation of the Precept of Secrecy, and is liable to get you banished even if you kill all the witnesses.

>>54209952

>>54209922
>"street level" - mage.
>Let me off this train wreck.

The anon ask how much of a Street level game one can run with mage. Speaking of which is the main wankery of mage the fact that they can have magical effects running 24/7?

>>54209922
Daveb's actual play has mages up against 3 combat helicopters and a tank. To be fair they probably weren't starting characters at that point, but they absolutely wreck 3 helicopters and shit. But starting mage characters shouldnt fear 1 dude with a gun. Its just not that hard for any arcanum to make it trivial.

>>54209723
I don't know the specific mechanics by which it would do so, but Matter 2 Ruling should be able to get pretty much any firearm to jam or misfire by fucking with it's structure just enough to compromise it's functionality.

While Matter 1 Compelling should be able to do so with a poorly maintained firearm.

>>54209945
The sleepers wont remember what happened. Your in the clear. Disonance and shit removes all that.

All they will think is they must have dropped their guns or something.

>>54209838
>always knowing whats coming up and so on and so on

Time 1

:^)

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>>54209833
>this handful of players in these notoriously awful threads is representative of all Mage players everywhere
>this is definitive proof of my opinions

>>54209969
remote control spell matter 1 can do it. Force all guns to not fire.

>>54209994

They keep throwing rules legal ways to be infallible to everything but abyssal stuff and bigger mages. So you tell me?

>>54210023
Thats pretty much the only thing mage games should be about...

>>54209984
>The sleepers wont remember what happened
That's not guaranteed, and you would still get in trouble for it. The law doesn't give you a break for stealing a car just because you gave it back. The Veil is also rabidly supported by a lot of Mages, and the simple act of causing Paradox is also looked down on by some as well. You aren't getting off free because the Sleepers don't remember.

>>54210042
>Thats pretty much the only thing mage games should be about...

Riiiiight anon, you keep wanking and proving me right

>>54210023
Tell you what, moron? That a small number of players isn't representative of the whole player base? You wouldn't think I would have to spell out something so simple for a grown man. Hey, guess what? There are black people who amount to nothing more than junkies and criminals? Are all black people like that? According to your logic, they are.

>>54210051
It'll depend where you are and the rules of whereever your character lives. But yes there are consequences for everything.

Even the biggest raging Guardian can probably be held at bay if you ate the paradox, didnt even cause any in the first place or whatever. If you are living in a shit hole than bans anything that causes a breaking point in sleepers then id move ;)

But that is part of the story, your trial for self defense not getting mowed down by x dudes in a machine gun vs doing obvious magic in front of sleepers, that'd be a good story where 11 armour wouldnt save you :P

>>54210122

Players aside the system does allow for those kind of abuse with its only defense being "it the theme of the game?" which is the safety blanket for the line at this point.

At least Ascension has paradigm to justify the DM saying "no, you cant do that shit" and beat you with a stick.

>>54210058
I wish all the npc's in any game i play in are as stupid as mages in the fluff.

Hey npc mage you forgot to put on your mage armour (1st edition), dakka dakka dakka till he dies.

>>54208580
I know - a take on Arabian Knights and it doesn't involve Hunter or Mage. At least Beast is involved though.

>>54210182
Which is why paradigms are shit. Storyteller may i bullshit.

>>54210211

Suuure anon, dont let us challenge your dick measuring contest. I am sure your starting mage can beat Luna, Cain and all the true fae at the same time. shhhh

>>54210182
If you have shitty players taking advantage of the system to be shitty, the solution is to do away with the players, not the system. Because the problem ultimately lies with the players, not the system. Guns make it easier to murder people, yet it's the ones who pulled the trigger going up on trial in the end. On the other hand, guns also provide fun and safety to people who know how to use them right and aren't shitty.

I don't want a gun debate it's just a metaphor.

>>54210277
>If you have shitty players taking advantage of the system to be shitty, the solution is to do away with the players, not the system

So basically the only thing that prevent abuse in mage is a gentleman agreement? You dont abuse x, y or z spell or else every NPC will also do that?

Where you draw the line between being smart and abusing the system? When the mechanic foments said abuse and dont give you tools to stop it in any way or form?

I don't see the big deal. Yeah, it's a bit powergamey to get bullet immunity right off the bat, but it's pretty benign and specific, all things considered. To do it you would have to be Moros, do a lot of ritual casting, and all you would get is immunity from something that doesn't even rank on the Top 50 list of things dangerous to a Mage. And if your ST is some degree of witty you get other characters commenting on your limited wardrobe and how it's starting to smell a bit, and then you get known as that smelly hobo Mage.

All i take from this is some people are retards who think optimizing characters is the same as powergaming.

Being a matter mage and not using it to increase your armour/items isnt powergaming its what matter does, trying to start with matter 3 (you cant) so you could get it when your a mastigos might be powergamey, but then the mastgos has unteen ways to make guns trivial also. He is also probably wanking over having his skills at 10 or some shit.

Mage isnt a street level game, starting mages can do a fuck ton of cool shit. It doesnt make them infallible or whatever and a good storyteller can create tension and give them challenges, it just wont come down to some fucking scrub with a gun. They then get round to ignoring stuff that might be problems in other game lines.

>>54210316
I can't understand half of what you're saying, but abusing the system is hardly an Awakening exclusive problem, and more often than not all that prevents it is players being decent players.

>>54210341
My mistake you can prob get matter 3 as a mastigos, but even then its not powergaming is actually the opposite cos every matter spell will cost you mana..