Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for alpharius

>>54125582
>zombie daemons
>zombie tears
>zombie threads

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Oblig. pour one out for the Exalted Sorcerors.

30 pts = ripperooni.

>>54125594
Or was it?

>>54125443 #

Buddy, honestly if you did that to me I'd give you a dreamy-eyed nostalgic look and tell you to roll the templates slower so I could savour it.

And I play 8th, I just have that hard a hate boner for random number of shots and random damage. (Multiple damage is a fantastic addition to the game, randomising it is dumb as shit).

>>54125617
>zombie Rubrics

Nurgle's power know no bounds

>>54125643
Agreed. Templates were delightful compared to 1d3 chuckles.

>>54125643
>having a dice rolling fetish

Any suggestions for a Leman Russ alternative that doesn't look like shit?

Anyone ever try converting a Predator into a Leman Russ?

>>54125657
Metal Bawkses look like shit too

Can you use 'master of mechanisms' inside of a vehicle?

>>54125657
Preadators are not close to the same size as the russ.
I'd look to some historical wargame models for a good substitute
>>54125668
You take that back

With the FAQ out, why would you NOT play Purestrain Genestealers?

I can't get behind how they are literally better than Tyranid GS and their ppm is 2 points less.

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>>54125668
I agree on the vanilla Pred, but I think the Deimos looks pretty good.

>>54125685
Not unless it says you can.

>>54125645
What happens if two units of pox walkers fight?

>>54125685
As I understand it, no. Models inside vehicles don't exist unless a rule says otherwise.

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First for the Deathwatch

>>54125701
They switch sides

>>54125657
Get the Mars Alpha pattern turret and stick it on a Sicaran.

>>54125701
They push each other around and pretend to switch sides over and over.

Imagine a planet full of very small primitive tribes of humans who rarely come into contact with other tribes. Would they be completely immune to chaos corruption?

Think about it
>No war due to isolation so Khorne is out
>Too busy not getting eaten or starving to have massive orgies so slaanesh is out
>Population would be so small that the chances of having a psyker born are next to none so no Tzeentch
>If the planet is full of small, isolated tribes plague would be impossible so no Nurgle.

>>54125697
>cupola isn't wide enough for marines to pass through

This annoys me far more than it should.

>>54125655
He's gw?
They're the ones who added more dice rolls.
Damocles rhino even rolls a die just because.

>>54125731
Safe from Chaos, then a single Ork spore arrives on a meteorite that is the remains of a warship from the War in Heaven and they all get wiped out by Ork hordes within a year.

>>54125719
Sicaran is a bit big, but fuck it, the tank looks too good. Who gives a fuck if I disadvantage myself, I'll take it for a beautiful tank.

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In a crisis. Had the sick idea of doing a Mars-based, doom themed primaris army. Tried the color scheme and, while it looks appropriate, hate how I'm basically painting loyalist nurgle marines.

So- homebrew on or settle for something like IF/Ultramarines for that BobbyG Booty?

>>54125582

Drones are now a hell of a lot less useful. My tears, take them.

Why are Chaos worshipers all spiky and evil if the gods they worship aren't actually evil?

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Will I get accused of cheese if I run my scions with four plasma guns each? I have thirty of them.

I feel like suffering through 7e of getting slaughtered due to overpricing means I deserve a bit of WAACing.

>>54125767

Apply more seals to differentiate. If you're going to make an army of Doomguys, make them 40k Doomguys.

>>54125767
dumb phoneposter

also these don't look very nurgley to me, unless you consider the color green to be the domain of the plaguefather in which case the salamanders and orks would like a word with you

>>54125787
word in the pipe is that they are gonna be nerfed soon.

so enjoy it, while it lasts.

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>>54125767
Fix the colours and truck on dude.

>>54125787

>Will I get accused of cheese if I run my scions with four plasma guns each? I have thirty of them.

Its nothing my 5 Stormravens can't handle.

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>>54125653
Torrents especially so. I also miss Tank Shock too, or being able to choose what I could put in Reserves without it being spelled out for me.

Had plans to build this kind of list for 7e but then 8e came out, and it's now rather pointless. I enjoyed the idea of having a shitload of cheap outflankable mech, as well as a wave of democharges and flame torrents (budget hellhounds).

>>54125787
Nah, they're still pretty easy to kill, so I wouldn't say it's waac.

>>54125767
they look nothing like loyalist plague marines. their green is much more on the yellow spectrum. yours is leaning toward blue. only a frothing retard would glance at your models and think "prague mahrenz!"

>>54125773
Only worthwile drones are the technicals and the gunners.
They are also as smart as squirrels, which makes then more ugu kawaii.

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Infiltrator get more nerf to join with its brother Rustalker in the unplayable list.

Good Riddance.

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Thinking about taking this to an upcoming tournament this weekend. Is there anything I would likely see that is going to pick me apart?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) ++

+ HQ +

Belisarius Cawl

Tech-Priest Dominus: Eradication Ray, Phosphor Serpenta

+ Troops +

Kataphron Destroyers
Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Plasma Culverin
Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Plasma Culverin
Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Plasma Culverin

Kataphron Destroyers
Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Plasma Culverin
Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Plasma Culverin
Kataphron Destroyer: Cognis Flamer, Plasma Culverin

Skitarii Vanguards
6x Skitarii Vanguard
3x Vanguard (Plasma caliver): 3x Plasma caliver
Vanguard Alpha: Arc maul, Arc pistol

+ Elites +

Cybernetica Datasmith: Gamma pistol, Power fist

Sicarian Infiltrators
Infiltrator Princeps
Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
Sicarian Infiltrator
Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
Sicarian Infiltrator
Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
Sicarian Infiltrator
Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad
Sicarian Infiltrator
Flechette blaster & Taser goad: Flechette Blaster, Taser goad

+ Fast Attack +

Sydonian Dragoons
Sydonian Dragoon: Phosphor Serpenta, Radium Jezzail

+ Heavy Support +

Kastelan Robots
Kastelan Robot: Incendine Combustor, Kastelan Fists
Kastelan Robot: Incendine Combustor, Kastelan Fists
Kastelan Robot: Incendine Combustor, Kastelan Fists
Kastelan Robot: Incendine Combustor, Kastelan Fists

Onager Dunecrawler: Broad Spectrum Data-tether
Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber: Cognis heavy stubber, Neutron Laser

Onager Dunecrawler: Broad Spectrum Data-tether, Cognis heavy stubber, Icarus Array

++ Total: [96 PL, 1999pts] ++

>>54125657
There's a company that makes a resin model clearly meant to be a Russ and which isn't the tank with the dumb church windows. It was sold out last time I looked but was an amazing sculpt basically a German tiger but converted into a russ.

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No forgeworld faq, fw regiments still doing 3 plasma damage per shot.

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>>54125832
Do you mean this? It's a great looking tank but I think it's OOP.

>>54125804
Who said it's based on the ugly Doom 4 suit?

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Siege dread.

>>54125822
Looks good to me anon, and I may actually borrow this list b/c it's almost exactly the models I own

>>54125879
ok

>>54125821
Not really, they neurostatic aura got worse but their pistols got way better since now you can pewpew even in combat.

Why couldn't the Electropriest be an HQ like he is in the fluff? I'd -love- a cheap support HQ right about now.

Anyone played with a force of Chaos Marines and Daemons?

How well do they compliment eachother this edition? I've heard a lot of complaints about summoning.

>>54125872
That looks so good. Russ needs an updated model, looks goofy as hell.

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>>54125875
The bits of orange not present here

>>54125879
>mould lines left on
inb4 dipped in thick base paint, washes thrown at it and drybrushing everywhere else

>>54125872
Nah that wasn't it.

>>54125899
He's talking about the FAQ which removed an attack from them.

>>54125905

I don't really care about shit summoning, I'm just pissed daemons lost deep strike which was kinda core to their gameplay since their first independent codex.

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>>54125794
Not really worried about the seals part, kinda want them to just be rank and file marines. >>54125796
Not saying its exclusive, just feels that way. Guess its the problem with a muted or more realistic scheme, doesn't really pop all that much.
>>54125804
I tried a whole bunch and what I got on the model is close as I'm gonna get without mixing for ratios (which i just can't be bothered with if I'm gonna stick to an army worth of them.

I'm smoothing out his helmet with some magic sculpt to go for the whole visor look, just painting him in parts to get to all the nooks and crannies. Just figured that if I wanted an army I should at least make it pop a little more. Guess I'll actually hammer this one out before I jump to any conclusions.

>>54125914

>hating on the iconic Russ design

>>54125921

What mould lines? I don't really see any noticable ones anywhere on it.

>>54125902
GW needs to find a good trademarkable name for a new model, like a Numinous Voltpontifex, or a Conducive Ampbishop Crackling Shockmullah.

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Battle brothers, onwards for the greater good!

>>54125875
OP here, it is based entirely on the Doom 4 suit

So if Malcador and Arkhan Land get models to join with Leman Russ, I guess we'll only need Sir Phillip Baneblade.

>>54125923
really?
I missed it.
Well, FUCK
WHY

>>54125958
Damn, so it's shit then
nevermind

>>54125955
DELETE THIS

>>54125955
>Implying anyone cares what marinelets do now the new Primaris™ are on the scene

Tau are welcome to waste their time attempting to aquire the Imperium's obsolete military equipment.

>>54125955

I dig the concept, but the mixed pauldrons look shit and the helmet swap seems a pretty lazy design too.

>>54125819

New novels make the drones kawaii

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>>54125955

>>54125946
On the drill.

>>54125986

What I don't get is why they haven't had the earth caste crack AsTautes enhancements yet. Genome mapping isn't exactly hard science for a sci fi race.

>>54125975
See, honestly the biggest problem was the wrists. They're skin and, again, I cant be bothered to work through shit in terms of converting them all up. Although I will agree if I made the green pop and used more contrasting colours it would probably be more enjoyable to paint. Pot committed I guess.

>>54125986
Now you gone and done it, I have to get some primaris to convert over to the greater good.

>>54126025

Those are practically microscopic.

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>>54125922
>>54125872
>>54125657


FOUND IT

https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_16&products_id=219&zenid=8caplpvke3s9u5nhour2e0js66

It has a bunch of turret options and fits the Russ scale and aesthetic perfectly

>>54126038
Why are you continuing to reply seriously to me when I just dismissed your entire project

>>54126054
sponsons?

Is battlescribe shit, or am I not allowed to make an Imperium detatchment, pulling units from anything with Imperium faction keyword???

>>54125943
>Having standards so low that the Russ is iconic

Is the wartrak with it's mini orklets also iconic? It's about as old and shitty.

>>54126061
Almost like it was something to talk about, iunno. Silly me.

>>54125914
It just needs to have the back thickened out and the front smoothed down, see: the forge world version.

>>54126053

YOU WILL NEVER WIN THE LOCAL PAINTING COMPETITION WITH THAT ATTITUDE

>>54125643

But templates were even more random then what we have now?

>>54126063
You'd have to convert them somehow, but you could put them anywhere now since sponsons aren't in the rules anymore. Or just run the Russ cheap with turret and body.

>>54125787
You mean the Command Squads with plasma guns? because it was FAQ'd, you can only take 1 Command Squad per Commander, so now you need to pay the Commander tax to spam them.

>>54125920

>that image
>there are still people who think that the armor is supposed to expose his belly rather then that portion just being torn off in combat

new khorne berzerker models when?

>>54126090
I have to admit, I preferred templates for their flavour.
Not having to worry as much about positioning blobs is nice though.

>>54126116
>Not wanting to show off abs so shredded demons wail in terror

>>54126053
So is your dick

>>54126090

Flamer templates certainty weren't, and no: If you hit with a large blast you'd get a fairly predictable hit score.

Heck technically with small blasts you'd know you were probably hitting one guy too.

I have serious problems working out enough anti-horde in a list nowadays when I focus on big models... And honestly I usually do, big models are the shit.

>>54126128
They should've used the same mechanics for blasts as they did for bombs.

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>>54126124
After Noise Marines, I hope.

>Death Guard teaser was in March
>still unreleased

It bother me a little bit that explosive weapons like battle canons are better against single models than groups. They should be d6 hits that can't exceed the number of models in the unit. Then they could make the demolisher Canon powerful without having to worry about it insta gibbing titans. Same with flamers but they're not nearly as bad about it.

>>54126174
I just want an actual upgrade kit for God's sake. The FW one is boring, and the Dark Imperium DG are as big as current terminators. Now all my other marines are marinelet as fuck.

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>>54126053
>not scraping off even the very smallest lines
Begone, foul daemon!

So I heard you can shoot your own guys, but can't see where in the rulebook it allows it. Anyone care to clarify for me?

inb4 read the rulebook reeee

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>>54125955
Bah, amateurs.

>>54126202
Just the new meme

>>54126031
Astartes come from the Primarchs, so there's likely a large degree of warp fuckery involved, not something you can simply genome map and copy.

Plus it'd all be keyed to work with human physiology and it's taken 10,000 years for the Imperium/Chaos' greatest experts to even build on that, let alone get it working with xenos biology. Something tells me the Tau wouldn't be overly keen on the idea of turning the Gue'vesa into super soldiers.

>>54126054
Looks really good, anyone have any painted examples?

>>54126203
I guess it counts as stealth if the sun reflecting off your chrome makes it impossible for the enemy to look at you

>>54126203
Looks like something from the DAoT.

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>>54126202

>>54126202
it was the old UNDESTRENGTH UNITS CAN BE USED TO SPAM CP meme, get with the times

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>>54126203

>>54125767
Looks good to me desu. Reminds me more of Raptors than Plague Marines.

>>54126234
I mean, that's how the Sicarian Infiltrators do it.

>>54126258
I thought they screamed white noise and the dial up connection noise so loudly you couldn't function

Past tense cuz they're RIP tier now

Gonna summarize a few things from the farsight novel, not many things to take questions for but if need be.
Excluding the protagonists, how the factions are portrayed

>Orks
Hardly discussed
>Demons
Some fighting aswell as writing from the perspective of characters that don't know what they are and some think they're terrifying imperium special weapons
>inquisition
cunning, powerful, fight for the emperor, crafty, but has a moral compass and genuinely doesn't despise xenos, is what could be called a good person
>marines, multiple flavours
>ultras
powerful, scary, fierce, honourable, noble, intelligent
>new oc chapter
violent savages, single minded, KILL XENOS, big on self mutilation
>Dorn successors
retarded, get sneak attacked by tanks, can't even camp with termy armour+storm shields effectively
>basic humans
large, grimdark, scary empire, backwards, commoner has a super shitty and cruel life
>admech
author didn't remotely portray them positively, where the most aggressive marines atleast fought for man,
the admech were cruel and barbaric to man and everyone, self serving prioritizing themselves over the rest of man, dumb ants foot slogging into lava, inquisitor thinks they're inhuman
only faction author didn't seem to remotely like

>>54125767
Maybe add a bit more orange if you're basing it on the reboot, it'll make it look less Nurgle.

>>54126223

>Warp fuckery

They're 7 foot humans with a couple extra organs, let's not fellate the gene mods too hard.

>Keyed to human genome

Sure, still gonna learn a shit ton studying it.

>Imperium's experts took 10,000 years to build on it

Even ignoring that Cawl worked that shit out early on then sat on it and started stockpiling cryogenically frozen marines until he got the nod to let them loose, the imperium doesn't really do "Experts" in science. That's kinda their thing.

>>54126296
>admech
Well, that's admech for you. Blame their cold machine hearts. The author did a good job there.

>>54126296
Thanks for the rundown. Who are the self-mutilating marines?

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>>54126229
Google has a small number with rough paint jobs

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>>54126296
>>Dorn successors
>retarded, get sneak attacked by tanks, can't even camp with termy armour+storm shields effectively
It fits though.

>>54126296
Ad mech sounds right though

Even their own fluff has them routinely abandoning allies once they get their new shiny

>>54126320

Scar Lords
don't recall them being mentioned before, as the name says they are big on scars, like very very fond of scars

>>54126234
The original paintjob was back in 4th edition for a "best OC chapter paintjob" contest GW had. It would be an entertaining truescale/Primaris update admittedly.

>>54126203
FUTURE

Should I paint my Primaris as Blood Angels, or file off all of the BA iconography of my unpainted BA stuff and make everything Salamanders?

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>>54126327
never gets old

I know they'll be releasing more shit for them in the future, but as it stands primaris leave lots to be desired on the table. Is admech a decent ally to get some warm bodies on the table for scoring/etc?

>>54126296
Share plz.

>>54126354

>Pert
>Mr kill 1 in 10 for no reason but to raise morale
>Good primarch

>>54126296
Care to share a little summary of what happened?

>>54126296
Thats exactly how the admech are though, only tech is important to them. Hell they'll happily burn a planet if they can get an stc fragment out of it

>>54125986
Top kek
Marinelets pls go

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>>54126354
I actually like both Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. Only the IF colour scheme is nothing I ever want to paint. Crimson Fists it is, I guess

>>54126369
Can we just all agree that both Perty and Dorn are autists whos only skills are making half-decent fortifications and being really good at killing their own troops.

I really like Primaris Marines, going to make an Primaris Ultramarines army.

With that said, is it worth it to still use tiny marines? Do you still think they'll have a place once the Primaris line is fully released?
Just trying to plan my purchases going forward and the new Primaris Captain and Librarian indicate to me that eventually there won't be a need for the little guys.

Thoughts?

>>54126307
It's constantly implied in novels, codices and other media that the Astartes are the genetic engineering equivilent of the Mona Lisa, you dismissing them as a 'big guys with a few extra organs' doesn't change the fact that it's uniformly represented as being far, far more than that.

Tau haven't got anywhere near the Imperium's understanding of genetic engineering, so no, Earth Caste won't be creating super-Fire Warriors from captured gene seed any time soon, just as they won't be creating a Tau navigator from a captured Imperial one.

>>54126415
bait.

but yeaH GO FULL PRIMARIS

>>54126354
That's not even the original

>>54126370

Farsight expedition to the damocles gulf
takes place in the past

Aun'Va is new head ethereal and is full asshole
Found a warp drive, don't understand it, tzen demon stuck to it possesses a tau
inquisitor pretends to be ally, is a spy helping marines till the end, becomes turncoat
battles in space between marines and tau
taking back viorlos from admech who dump tau civilians into volcanos and cover the planet in their ash

Just reading through the new FAQ. So Savior Protocols now causes the drone MW. Is there any point to Shield Drones now outside of protecting characters? It was nice that they were better than other drones at body-blocking.

>>54126415
Marinelets are the past. A past best forgotten.

>>54126411
>can austists just agree
heh

Are aspect warrior orientated Eldar forces viable or are they completely overshadowed by guardian spam?

>>54126422

The Mona Lisa isn't coded in four easily read letters.

And no, Custodes are the masterpiece, Astartes are the mass production model.

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>>54126354
>Perty
>Great Primarch

Not saying Dorn isn't just as much of a chump but I think the Hammer of Olympia novel has made it very clear that the Iron Warriors were not blessed with a particularly good Primarch. He basically had a start in life almost identical to Guilliman's and still managed to fuck it up completely. At least Angron had an excuse for sucking.

The smart IW stayed loyalist.

>Double-scourge Hellbrutes are still a thing

>>54126446
For now? Not really. I'm sure the tau codec will give them something like "enhanced savior protocals" on a 4 plus they aren't removed, but for now zero point. Take gun drones. They can shoot.

>>54126431
imperium confirmed GOAT

>>54126296
Aw man, but Orks are the one guys who out played Farsight for a while.

>>54126431

>Farsight hijacks a planet from Astartes+Mechanicum+Inquisition with his motley crew of anime heroes

sasuga Farsight

>>54126466
>I have no argument for why Tau should have gene seed technology so I'll just be pedantic

We're done here.

Why do Space Marine biker sprues STILL use the old marine helmets? it's been nearly two decades since they changed the tactical marine sculpts to their current incarnation, yet bikers have remained the same for a near decade longer still.

>>54126431
Thanks, anon. It is kind a shame that the novel takes in the past and not now the Tau empire is supposed to be under attack by chaos forces thanks to the great rift.

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>>54126422

>Genetic engineering equivalent of the Mona Lisa

So they have nice hands?

>>54126502

>I'm going to chose to read you picking holes in my argument as pedantry and say I'm done instead of just dropping it

Lol.

>>54126485
Thank you! Wanted to confirm my reading of it. Dang, that's a bit of a bummer.

Huh. Do FW drones with Savior Protocols still use the old sequence, then? Since it's a rule written on every datasheet, and the FW ones haven't been errata'd yet. Of course most of the FW stuff just uses vanilla tactical drones from the index, but it's weird that the specialist drones use a different order of operations now.

>>54126296
>inquisitior
>good person
Bullshit.

>>54126473
Why are they all so fat?

>>54126497

I think the prior farsight novel was about orks

>>54126501

this is comically true, one of his dudes is literally a hotblooded anime character who wields a superfist

>>54126466

Tau can't even build full warp drives after being given an example of the technology to work with.

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>just realized that leviathans can be transported by stormravens

>>54126466
The Tau are still shitting themselves technology while Dark-Age-of-Technology-humanity has genetically removed the need to shit.

While the current Imperium is a stagnant hellhole, the shit it can field is still tens of millenia ahead of anything the Tau can produce.

>>54126556
Emprah prefers bears to twinks.

>>54126426
Not bait.

>>54126466
Spehs muhreens are still a shit load better than anything else that has ever been produced by humans or xenos. Just because they're not the peak of the craft doesn't mean they're not works of genius.

>>54126577

>Tau can't build full warp drives
>Not the Etherials hiding daemons from everyone and having no navigators regardless

>>54126415
Ya, tiny marines are going to be squatted, there's no real point to getting tiny marines unless you were already a marine collector.

>>54125582
Why would tau be salty about this? They kept their turn 1 deep strike into combat with drones tarpit.

>>54126054
Why always with the Tiger look. Why not the Churchill, or one of the French designs like the ARL-44? Hell, even a late model Sherman might work well.

If marines are meant for surgical blitzkrieg strikes, why aren't they engineered to be more like a type hyper eldar? High speed, low drag and all that.

Speaking of which, what sort of stats would the eldar equivalent of a space marine have?

>>54126577
Warp drives aren't worth shit without Navigators, and Navigators are DAoT gene-engineering technology, which the Tau wouldn't even have a hope of replicating.

Aren't they still under the impression that the Astartes are a naturally occuring warrior-caste of humanity, like soldier ants?

Tau genetic science extends to their eugenics program and that's it.

Pick up 8th ed
>Go to lgs for some tournament play
>First opponent is a neon haired hambeast
>She's playing Eldar
>Game starts
>My Chad Marines target her Farseer riding a jetbike
>"These shooting at him"
>Her face turns red
>Her cheeks puff out as she inhales as deep as she can
>Screams "JUDGE!" as she starts to cry
>Judge rushes over seeing her crying
>"What happened?"
>She blubbers "Pronouns, he, pronouns!"
>Judge looks over at me
>Shrug and say "I have no idea"
>Hambeast sniffles and points her hoof like claw at me "He called my WOMAN Farseer a man! That's transphobia!" she bellows as she cries into her arm blubber
>Suddenly silence in the lgs
>Everyone turns to me
>Judge demands I leave for being transphobic
>Appeal
>Denied for not using Xe pronouns the judge prefers
>Pack my stuff up
>Walk out the room
>They start singing the Steven Universe theme and stamping their feet
That was my experience playing 8th

>>54126465
They're okay.
Fire Dragons are still good.

Dire Avengers look alright.

Shining Spears are expensive but legit now.

Swooping Hawks are the worst unit in the game.

Howling Banshees suffer from the same low strength problem they always did, but they're lightning fast and a half-decent tarpit.

Striking Scorpions are a bit too expensive, but not bad.

Dark Reapers are likewise expensive and squishy, but okay.

>>54126586

They could in 7E too.

>>54126620

I really think you're just completely overselling pretty straightforwards supersoldiers.

Note they can't even grow Astartes, they need to surgically insert half their shit.

>>54126326

meh

It's too plainly just a Tiger for me to think of it as a 40k vehicle

Dubs and ill post myself sounding with celestine's foot

>>54126644
Because Marines are deployed to be a gigantic FUCK YOU to an enemy action, and you don't do that shit quickly. They're an advert on Imperial superiority.

>>54126415

>more competitive than Primaris
>complete arsenal is fully available
>best tourney list is literally 5 Stormravens and a token marines force
>smaller = harder to LoS
>a hell of a lot cheaper if you know where to buy your stuff (without looking to China)

And this is coming from a guy who bought 6 sprues worth of Primaris starter packs for $50 each.

>>54126641
If you're going to base the main guard tank of anything WW2, it should be the T-34-85.

The Imperium would never give guard something as finely crafted, resource demanding and over-engineered as the Tiger/II, they'd love the T-34 though.

>>54126415

Your army is going to suck until more Primaris shit comes out.

>>54126652
needs floor and dinosaur

>>54126644
They should be able to survive a siege for at least some time, and not fold the second they meet resistance. Also, Big E made them with legion numbers in mind, so they should be able to get into the thick of battle and fight against forces the regular army has no chance against.

>>54126652
You appear to be lost, bitching about imagined micro-aggressions from your political opposites is for;

>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/

>>54126644

They crash down onto planets from high orbit how much more operator do you want to make them.

>>54126663
>you're

I'm just stating what the fluff says. If you don't like it and think everyone and their mum's should be able to grow space marines in a high school chemistry lab, tough titties.

>>54126679
I don't think so, the T-34's were never meant to last very long and had poor quality. The Admech would never approve of such poor handling of precious tech. Maybe a better quality T-34, but I think a Sherman fits better overall. Mass produced, relatively easy to repair and maintain, adequate gun, and it's tall which would fit with Imperium tank design.

>>54126705
Put a sight onto their guns, despite the armour having all those fancy targeting systems.

>>54126422
Making a space marine goes against the greater good.
You're killing a person to turn them into a killing machine. A retarded one.

>>54126702
You appear to need to go back, faggot.

>>54126644
They're used for surgical blitzkrieg now because there's so few of them. Originally they were just shock troops and deployed in their tens of thousands.

>>54125923
Fucking why? Neurostatic aura squatted, Doctrinas squashed.
Infiltrators cucked as fuck.

>>54126652
What an amazing greentext, upvote and include me in the reddit screencap!!

>>54126651
>Tau genetic science extends to their eugenics program and that's it.

No, the Tau cured the genestealer kiss while the Imperium did not. Source is the Deathwatch RPG.

>>54126431
>tau take back the planet from the imperial oppressors
But what about the broken survivors?

>>54126731
B..bu..but spehs muhreens is super smart!

M..muh tactics that no enemy can overcome!

>>54126577
The admech guys working on the warp drive didn't know how the engine worked.

>>54126760
>source is an unsupported third-party game
tell me more!

>>54126760
>the Deathwatch RPG

Yeah, we're discussing canon here, not how the IG has 50/50 gender parity and boltguns a range of 50 metres.

>>54126760
False.
Tau get regularly fuck over by GSC. Source GSC codex.

Also the Imperium has a cure, but it is easier and cheaper just to blam the bastards.

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>>54126652
Sounds like you were in the wrong, try being respectful next time.

>>54125582
So I saw this random rumor somewhere that said that there was a rumor that Men of Iron could be added to eighth.

Is there any base to this or is it just nonsense?

>>54126644
Because they're also meant for missions that Guardsmen just aren't tough enough for. A Lightning Bruiser would be great, but they'd be a terrible Glass Cannon.

So they go the middle route and make a soldier that's stronger, faster, smarter and tougher than human - but they don't put all their eggs in one basket.

The real question is, if they had the ability to, why they didn't specialise - have mainstream Marines, but then Marines designed to be faster, sneakier, smarter and stronger - but specialised.

>>54126760
In that case Imperial Psyker can simply shake entire enemy fleets into submission.

Source: Dark Heresy rulebook.

>>54126763

The demon possessed tau broadcast propaganda across the planet to get the slaves to rise up and KILL KILL KILL the overseers and admech

dunno what happens next, guess they become honourary tau

>>54126799

>but then Marines designed to be faster, sneakier, smarter and stronger - but specialised.

thats essentially what an assassin is

>>54126654
Dire Avengers are 17ppm

Are you retarded?

Banshees need Doom support and have half as many attacks as they need to be relevant when even ork boyz or berserkers get 4 attacks.

Striking Scorpions are decent but absolutely have to be fighting INFANTRY (preferably in cover) because otherwise mandiblasters do nothing and you've paid for 19ppm T3 assault marines that dont even get jump packs.

Reapers look decent. I'm trying them out right now.

>>54125701
Statistically, one would quickly get the upper hand, snowball, and completely assimilate the other.
Probably whoever charged.

>>54126683
I've got 8 squads of intercessors, 4 squads of hellblasters, 4 squads of inceptors, and now captains and librarians to paint.

By the time I'm done there will be more stuff out.

>>54126798

Pretty sure it's nonsense.

If not, they should be included along with Cybernetica in a Dark Mechanicus faction for Chaos.

So now that the FAQ has ruined 8E, what does everyone want to play?

I mean seriously, the underpowered rules are so exploitable it hurts. Nothing like putting 6 point Boss Nobz in a trukk together after not taking the rest of the boyz...

>>54126823
>Nothing like putting 6 point Boss Nobz in a trukk together after not taking the rest of the boyz...

are you retarded?

>>54126810
Eh, I said they looked alright, not good.
17 ppm sucks if you want to play competitively, but for casual games they're fine.

>>54126799
>what are Assault Marines and Devastators
If you happen to have a Marine who favours close combat, you stick a giant turbine on his back, give him a chainsword and let him jump right into the fray. The guy who prefers long range combat and is an ace shot? Give him a bigger gun.
Everyone else is the jack of all trades.
They're not specifically designed for it, but if a tendency shows, they just run with it.

>>54126296
>Hardly discussed

Phil Kelly's novel one covers Farsight first major war with the Orks. This war defined his life.

>new oc chapter

The Scar Lords are not OC. Old lore mentions them as among the chapters of the First Damocles Crusade. They just don't have lores beyond that.

>>54126573
>I think the prior farsight novel was about orks

Yep.

Here is how the series goes.

1-"LotDM : Farsight"
2-"Blades of Damocles"
3-"Farsight : Crisis of Faith"

The next book will cover the War of Dakka and really get into Arthas Molech

Note : after reading all three novels read "Fire and Ice".

>>54126823
Warpath, you can use the models you already own.
Forgefathers a best, fight me faggots

>>54126652
The proper course of action is to say
"Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know your preferred prounouns differed from the vast majority, so I used the masculine default which is standard for the english language. What pronouns would you prefer I use, so that I don't provoke any further over reactions?"

>>54126833
Boss Nobz have no cost to upgrade, they simply replace a boy. Take 1 boy, turn it into a boss nob and you have a 6 point nob.

They shattered their own game to pieces.

>>54126851
read the rule again

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>>54126337

Underrated post

>>54126848
The proper course of action isn't to say anything, 'cos the greentext obviously never happened.

>>54126851
>>54126833
You can only do this with one unit.
You can only do this if you don't own enough boyz to field the unit
If I see any boyz in your army case I'm gonna tell you to get them onto the table.

>>54126787
>Tau get regularly fuck over by GSC. Source GSC codex.

It happened once and its a different section in the timeline. The cure from the FFG books was invented in 997.

>Also the Imperium has a cure

Source?

>>54126800
So?

>>54126851
>nob tide
>you have to target each individually

>>54126857
Don't assume people play with power levels.

>>54126813
I want to see pox walkers fighting a really lucky necron player.

Pox walkers spawn whenever a cron gets knocked down, but crons can still get back up.

>>54126876
read the rule again

>>54126871
don't be an autistic WAACfag

>>54126874
>the FFG books

Not canon.

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>>54126296
>>54126330
The Scarlords were mentioned years ago, anon. I thought they were White Scars the first time I read about them on Farsight's Supplement, despite them wearing terminator armour (the WS have to have at least a squad of those right?).
Back when Crisis battlesuits had any form of fluff (Teams of Three, Sunforge, etc) Farsight authorized a Monat, a lone wolf, to attack the monarch of the star lords.
Got keked.
Now they're a fucking sculpture frozen in time.
Everybody laughed.
>>ultras
>powerful, scary, fierce, honourable, noble, intelligent
>>Dorn successors
>RETARDED
Kek. Favouritism much? Also, can I get more details on the Admech? I know they fight for knowledge instead of for people themselves (they were the only ones to win anything at Agrellan, but they left mortals to die in a radstorm and then burned all to shit), but to me that's not cruelty.
Cruelty denotes they care enough to be cruel.
They're just uninterested and don't give a fuck about dumb conscripted militia.

>>54126874
>FFG books
Not him, but we're discussing canon you mong, not those piles of crap

>>54126874
FFG fluff, is basically a power fap or utterly retarded.
It works for the RPG games, that's about it.

Also Cain books. It is basically a medical surgery, like removing a tumor.

>>54126641
Russ was already an arl-44. They probably keep choosing the tiger because it's a bulky slab of a model that is easy to kitbash and recast while still looking very imperial. The imperium doesn't have much resembling a sherman.

>>54126893
>>54126907
Why the hate for FFG doe

>>54126667
The Russ was already a carbon copy arl-44

>>54125617
Cry about it bitch nig

>>54126891
>Sometimes you may find that you do not own enough models to field a minimum sized unit; if this is the case you can still include one unit of that type with as many models as you have available

>[crap about power ratings].. If you are using points, you only pay the points for the models you actually have in an understrength unit.

Seems pretty clearcut. If you own the models, you can't do this for advantage, and you can still only take one understrength unit of that unit type.

>>54126895
So when are they coming out?

>>54126929
Personally I don't hate it. Think of it as extra lore for your RPG games in the grim darkness of 40k.

>>54126895
>When the Scar Lords Chapter Master carved a red path
Holy shit is this an actual excerpt from the novel? It's worse than amateurish. The writer cannot even give the CM a name.

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>>54125657
Here's a leman Russ conversion I did for my death korps

>>54126929
It's not hate, they're just third party and did a lot of stuff for game reasons that don't fit into 40k lore. Not that 40k fluff is particularly consistent to begin with, but you have to draw a line somewhere and if it's a contradiction between GW fluff and FFG fluff, GW wins.

>>54126953
It doesn't say you can't abuse it.
The FAQ basically said: "fill the tax slot with just one model and pay the cost for that one model"

>>54126895
Wat book is that from?

>>54126964
No, it's from the FE codex supplement. Though by the same author.

>>54126953
its basically an in-enforceable rule, unless you autisticly sperg out and start rooting through someones bag/house/car looking for models.

A person may own 9 models one day, 10 the day after, and 5 the following.

>>54126636
Well the drone rule kinda stinks. Before you at least got a save throw but now the drone takes a mortal wound. But that really doesn't matter much, considering you really only pass on wounds from weapons with high AP and multiple damage. It makes shield drones even more worthless. The no multiple drones controllers is something everyone already knew.

>>54126977
Not really. It just replaced the second paragraph, not the whole thing.

The caveats of " you do not own enough models to field a minimum sized unit" and "one unit of that type" still apply

>>54126964
His name is Carved A Red Path.

>>54126679
The tiger 2 was a bad tank that only saw (limited) success due to it's gun calibre and frontal armor thickness. It was loaded with outdated designs and simply scaled up. They were also terribly built and spent most of their time broken down.

The only vehicle that fits the imperial ethos is the Sherman with it's low cost, simplicity, and reliability. The T34 was a mediocre tank that was outperformed by the Sherman resoundingly. It was very easy to manufacture from a very low skill base but it had tons of dire design flaws that resulted in it being several times over more deadly to it's crew than a Sherman.

>>54126984
see >>54126988

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Do i prime this cunt black or white

>>54126990
If you take that approach sure. Or you can just assume that any player that seems to know what they're doing owns the right number of models, and tell them to fuck off if they're obviously doing it for advantage.

RAW I'll admit it's a bit skeevy, but RAI is very clear.

>>54126654
Do you think shinning spears are better than skyweavers and reavers?

>>54126994
If you can field the unit if you lack the minimum number why even mention it?
I understand for PL but for points? Why bother mentioning understrength if it is not even possible to field one in the first place?

>>54127012
Don't own any Dark Eldar, neither does anyone in my group, don't know shit about them

>>54126895
>The strongest citizens, the heaviest set, have instead been chemically lobotomised and rebuilt as battle servitors. Their lower halves are cut away and replaced by track units even as their arms are replaced by weapons of war. The most dextrous, those who pass the Trial by Knives with all their limbs and digits intact, are instead sent to work their fingers bloody in the weapons shops. Those who fall asleep at their stations, or even so much as raise their heads, soon find an electro-scourge descending to encourage them back to work. All the while these poor benighted fools are lambasted by deafening Imperial catechisms and hypno-psalms, blasted from rank upon rank of laud hailers. These are ostensibly to reaffirm an errant people’s faith in the one true creed, but it is more likely they are intended to shred what is left of their willpower. Tried and tested Imperial bombast, designed to break a man body and soul so those who witness their fate never stray a single foot from their designated roles.
>It is my opinion that the Adeptus Mechanicus have voluntarily abandoned that which makes the human soul so remarkable. They neither understand nor care that their methodical tyranny might breed resentment and desperation in those they oppress. I fear our xenos enemies understand the hearts and minds of the common people far better than their overlords, and that should a rebellion occur, they will be swift to capitalise upon it.

>>54126823
>Nothing like putting 6 point Boss Nobz in a trukk together after not taking the rest of the boyz...
Learn to read retard

>>54127010
>RAI is very clear

If they didn't add a clause to prevent abuse, i'd agree.

>you can just assume that any player that seems to know what they're doing owns the right number of models

there's a saying about assuming things.

>SECOND FAQ out within weeks of the release
>people arguing about the FAQs wording
>mfw the FAQ needs an FAQ
MOST PLAYTESTED EDITION EVER?!?

>>54127021
Because they want to make the game accessible to kiddies who haven't assembled everything yet, or bought those stupid 4-packs

>>54127029
Assuming makes an ass out of u

>>54127035
swing and a miss

>>54127006
Go for deliciously brown Thighlestine.

>>54126977
>It doesn't say you can't abuse it.

That's not how the rules work you stupid sack of shit. It doesn't say I can't beat the everliving fucking shit out of your stupid sorry ass in real life, either.

>>54127035
Then GW is fucking retarded.
For PL I completely understand since it is basically "learn to play mode", but for points? It is just asking for abuse.

Which chapters are known to have different loyalties than their main legion?

After some good experiences using guard special weapons in a chimera to supplement my marines and give me cheap troops, I made this list.

2000 pts

Battallion detachment

HQ:
Captain with storm bolter and relic blade
Company commander with power axe and plasma pistol

Troops:
10x tac marines with combi flamer, plasma, plasma cannon
10x tac marines with combi flamer, plasma, plasma cannon
10x guardsmen with bolter, flamer, heavy bolter

Elites:
Special weapon squad with 2 flamers and demo charge
Guard command squad with 4 grenade launchers
Vindicare assassin

Heavy support
Predator with twin lascannon, heavy bolters, storm bolter
Heavy weapon squad with 3 mortars

Dedicated transport
Razorback with lascannon, twin plasmagun, storm bolter
Chimera with multilaser, heavy bolter, storm bolter

Vanguard detachment:
Chaplain with plasma pistol and crozius
5 cataphractii with grenade harness + combi + power sword, combi + chainfist, heavy flamer + chainfist, LC+LC, LC+LC
Apothecary
Contemptor dreadnought with multimelta

Flyer:
Stormraven with twin assault cannon, hurricane bolters, twin multimelta

>>54126977
>IF THIS IS THE CASE

It says it right there. If you own the models, THIS ISN'T THE CASE and you can't use that rule.

>>54126964

He has a name now
Durian Raevor

>>54127034
>40k
>balanced and well-written game
you only get one of these

it's good enough for casual at least, but competitive 40k is terribly stupid

>>54127054
>then GW is fucking retarded
Of course they are, how have you not noticed this already.

They make a game to sell their miniatures, not for the sake of having a good game.

>>54127023
So AdMech are the Inner Party?

>>54126941

Even if true (it much more resembles a British 'Mark' tank with a turret slapped on top) , the ARL is a design known only to grognards and armored history buffs,

The Tiger is pretty much THE iconic tank for most people. Impossible to not think of it as a HWG vehicle,

>>54127055
Blood ravens, red scorpions

>>54127034
>keeps spamming this shitty meme that just shows how retarded he is

As if any of the previous editions were playtested more extensively? They lacked playtesting so bad, some of them didn't even get FAQs at all. That doesn't mean they were playtested or perfect, idiot.

>>54127023
>the inquisition says the tau are the good guys
Really now?

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>>54126053
>>54126085
>>54126142
>>54126196

I love /tg/

>>54127083
The ARL is known to anyone that plays world of tanks, which is a lot of people.

>>54127071
How would someone know if I own the models?!

God fucking damn it! That is the bloody issue.
Now I have an extra layer of retarded cunts that I have to thin out before having a game with random people.

Does GW think everyone just play with friends?

>>54127034
Yeah the old editions were just as shit, they were just never FAQd

>>54127102
What a cancerous game. I'm glad I quit years ago.

>>54127006
Post butt pics.

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>>54126964
It's from the supplement.
Farsight and the Tau aren't supposed to know, anon. At that time they know nothing about the Imperium. At Arkunasha they find out the red sand is actually rust and the scientists don't know where it all came from: to them, the only possible explanation would be mountains of iron kilometers in height.
That would be their first glimpse of what a Hive city was.
The Tau at that time gave generic names to the things they saw.
On that supplement they call Dreadnoughts "Tank Suits" and Terminators "humanity's own warsuited warriors".
Even in modern times (Kauyon and Mont'Ka) they still use such names and misconceptions: when Shadowsun kills Chapter Master Corvin Severax, they think the space marine morale will falter now she was "killed the warrior-monarch of the space marines".

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does anyone actually take the shitty primaris intersessors? or anything beside lieutenants and hellblasters? i tried to take them twice and my tacticals just seem to do better work.

>>54127055

Sons of Medusa. They have a divergent philosophy from the Iron Hands and their successor Chapters, and were drawn originally from those on the other side of the philosophical schism.

Maybe anyone who has a distinctive divergence from their founding legion, like the Carcharodons to the Raven Guard.

After that, any Chapter with suspected traitor legion origins. That's by default.

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What should I do if my primer (GW's white) comes out powdery? Am I fucked?

>>54127106
You can probably rock up and try to get away with it, but a lot of players will pick up on the fact that you're rules-lawering in the worst way and not want to play you.

>>54127006
Brown like dark chocolate. White is overdone.

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>>54127120

>>54127123
Is a tank suit a dreadnought or knight?

>>54127130
Shake some more, have a look at the weather before you spray, maybe try a different spraying distance.

>>54127083
The modeler bought a model kit and slapped GW bits onto it decades ago. It's not hard to find WW2 designs it fits almost perfectly. That tiger probably could be MORE customized, but it looks pretty damn good as is and you could always just slap a plow blade on the front or something to break up it's silhouette a bit.

>>54126644
Space marines are fast though.

>>54127141
what kind of autistic shit hole do you play at?

>>54127123
Pretty sure they still think they killed Slaanesh.

>>54127154
Dreadnought, probably armed with an assault cannon due to the reaction with Farsight's shield
The word gue'ron'sha means "engineered human". That's how they called space marines.

>>54127164
>autistic
Nah, we just try to avoid being WAAC assholes.

>>54127123
That text is so anime, I love it.

>>54127023

I don't think a single other piece of lore about the AdMech make them look even 1/10th this horrible. Forges of Mars, Mechanicum, Titanicus, the Codices, none of them. So yeah, author's bias rather than actual truth.

It's not *far* from the truth, admittedly, but far enough to be wrong.

>>54127119
No more so than 40k. If this was still 7th WoT would be VASTLY less cancerous.

>>54127166
No, only one guy thought the guy he killed was named Slaanesh and it was hundreds of years ago.

>>54127150
Well thats disappointing.

>>54127155
I mean how do I go about fixing it?

>>54127130
Strip it with simple green, just keep in mind spray priming sucks dick in the summer since it's usually too humid.

>>54127173
sure thing aspie, just play the fucking game.

>>54127164
If it has marines players, then it is an autistic shithole.

>>54126644
Marine run at like 64 kmph mate.

Eldar don't get marines because they're not smart enough to create them. Somehow the Emperor was.

>>54127106
>Now I have an extra layer of retarded cunts that I have to thin out before having a game with random people.

Good, it makes it that much easier to spot the faggots plaguing this game. The same faggots on these very boards, who need an FAQ for "within one inch means up to and including one inch" and "you can't take Commissar Yarrick as your HQ in Militarum Tempestus in 7th Edition because he belongs to a different codex" and "I can shoot my own models because the rules don't say I can't"

These fucking erratas are bullshit. With the amount of corrections required to the rulebook alone, GW needs to issue reprints and offer to replace rulebooks and indexes at GW stores.

>>54127150
Lewd

>>54127177
Phil Kelly has no bias.

And please I want you to read the lore in the Admech and Skitari painting guides. They are that horrible.

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>>54127023
They're describing the process of making combat servitors and the use of slave work.
Like we didn't know that already.

>Purestrains are back to being better than vanilla Genestealers

I can't handle this rollercoaster of emotions.

>>54127198
>every place 40k is played is an autistic shithole

Sounds about right.

>>54127129
What was the reason for the schism? Never really fancied Iron Hands until recently.

>>54127199
an eldar aspect warrior is an equal to space marine in fluff.

>>54127185
strip it off the miniature, try again. There's not much else you can do on the coat you already applied.

>>54126644
>the eldar equivalent of a space marine
exarchs

also

>The Adeptus Mechanicus war convocations, those massed battle maniples that had strode across the ashen fields to reinforce their brethren at the energy farms, had no nimble transport crafts to bear them away. They chose to walk to the active warzones, just as their forefathers did, and their forefathers before them. Hence the convocations faced the wrath of the volcanoes first hand.
>Billions of Skitarii died in the first hours of eruption, those tough enough to survive the pyroclastic blast melted into half-organic slag by the swilling tides of lava that followed.

admech so dumb they'll die to lava

>>54127154

dread probably, don't run into knights often and they're huge

>>54127178
At least with 40k, even if the game is shit you still have nice minis to paint and display.

>>54127198

t. autistic marine-hater who autistically shitposts about how he hates marines all the time

Next you'll say "spotted the autistic marine player"

>B-BAKANA

>>54126242
fuckin' KEKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>54127233
admech are so fucking arrogant they'd rather die to a volcano than walk around it

>>54127226
And they get there on skill alone. They don't modify themselves with divine organs.

In fact I take back what I said earlier. the Emperor is not even smart enough to invent marines. He stole that from the Primarchs which he stole from some Gods. Gods are canonically the only thing in the setting that have invented marines.

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Am I retarded if I get Primaris for my CSM army and pretend they turned traitor?

>>54126995
Underrated
Carvera Redpath, Lord of the Scar Lords, lord.

>>54127237
That you paid trillions of dollars for and have to hide if you ever want a social life

>>54127238
You know its true.

>>54127213

They are that horrible *to serfs and bondsmen*. The stories in the painting guide centered on serfs/bondsmen, not citizens. There's an important distinction between what are basically (for some Magi, literally outright) slaves, and Mechanicum citizens/menials. The codex made this clear; citizens/menials are a dour, religious lot, no more oppressed than the average imperial. Faith in the Omnissiah is important to them, enough that some get fake electoos to emulate electro priests.

Phil Kelly is talking about those "citizens," but he's describing treatment of serfs/bondsmen, and you're making the same mistake in confusing the two.

>>54127265
Put spikes on them, call them Chaos Marines. It's how CSM came to be in the first place.

>>54127265
What would you use them as? Unless you're just using the Loyalist rule set in which case you're a DOUBLE HERETIC

>>54127265
Just add spiky bitz and you're golden.

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question, is it legal gamewise to run chaos with allies of mechanicus? (want to use them as dark mechanicus)

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>>54127198
The second worst person I've met is a chaos player. This piece of shit comes into the store and harasses everyone, tries to one-up people, breaks about how much better his painting is (to people to just started), insults people lessening to play, begs people to buy him stuff, and then proceeds to go out and spend $30+ on food at a nearby restaurant (if he can't mooch and get someone to pay for him. Also he doesn't tip.) He also has a reputation for cheating when he DOES play.

>>54127265

No, just use Primaris rules. I'd even go so far as to let an opponent used chaos keywords and get more command points, but using the rules for a model that's smaller on a model that's notably bigger can mess with line of sight, range, and a few other details, so its best to stick with the same unit stats.

>>54127298

No shared keywords

>>54127086
>>54127129
Thanks

Red Scorpions which legion do they come from?
Couldn't find anything on that.
Blood Ravens heavily implied to be thousand sons of course after quickly reading about them.

Found this though:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Loyal_Space_Marine_Chapters_(List)
and listing it by origin helps a lot taking
>After that, any Chapter with suspected traitor legion origins. That's by default.
into account and looking into those with unknown origin.


>Sons of Medusa. They have a divergent philosophy from the Iron Hands and their successor Chapters, and were drawn originally from those on the other side of the philosophical schism.

What do you mean? Which schism?
They're both loyalists?

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>>54125967
>>54126748

So people will have more reason to build Rustalker, and don't feel like they're cucked, because now you get cucked anyway if you build any variation.

Jk, it look like the Eletroc-priest sale did not meet GW expectation, so they need to hammer that nail into the Sicarian's coffin.

>>54127182
I've seen no evidence they've realised their mistake. T'au are dumb.

>>54127279
You have awful 'friends' it seems

>>54127301
Sounds like he's playing you all to save some money. The only bad people here are the ones who keep letting him.

>>54127306
not what i asked

>>54127307
They were on the verge of all-out war with the rest of the legion before the second founding. Look it up.

>>54127285
>no more oppressed than the average imperial

The average Imperial is pretty much oppressed to the extreme. dude.