Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for no Deathwatch in Shadow War.

Let the joy of WAAC lift you higher.

>>54077726

They exist as Inquisition special dudes

>>54077699
So it's worth it to try and get the LR up close, blow smoke or something, and hope it doesn't explode?

>>54077726
why would they be they only deploy in large, organized forces of several dozens to hundreds

>>54077727
Don't you poison JJBA with your WAACfag apologetics.

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NEW PLASTIC GUARD WHEN?!?!

>>54077749
August

What's the best way to remove paint if you fuck up?

I once painted a BONES mini with fabric paint & not minis paint, tried to use nail polish remover... the mini melted...

I don't want to do this to GW priced minis

>>54077739

A LR is pretty damn durable, it will last plenty long for you to get close and dump troops. That said if you just want to get there faster take a rhino.

>>54077749
Email GW, we can't help you here.

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Xth for cosmonaut Raptors

>>54077760
Engine degreaser of any kind, sit it in there for like half an hour then scrub with a toothbrush.

>>54077749
Never. Fuck Off All Guardfags.
Post another fucking army once in a while

>>54077760

I use 99% isopropyl alcohol and have never had any problems.

>>54077757
Those "leaks" were fake as fuck, don't spread that shit.

>>54077763
Cant fit my centurions in a rhino. Don't get me wrong, I *want* to use my land raider. I am just nervous about getting it close, and not being able to dump its cargo.

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>>54077760

>>54077767
Those helmets make them look even more hilarious, kek

Corsairs....yeh or neh?

>>54077773
I'm gonna start a guard army now just to piss you off, I'll post pics of my WIP stuff every single day.

>>54077767
Are you going to cover them in pouches and basing material?

>>54077794
Meh.

>>54077775

The August Marines codex leak posted near simultaneously seemed likelier

How many of yall have experience with bluestuff? How hard is it, and how much pressure is needed for a 2 sided mold?

Any info appreciated

>>54077767
Someone explain why these don't look as fucking terrible as the Ultramarine ones.

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Whoa, new Primaris Guard.

2 wounds.

2 attacks.

Bigger base. Check it out.

>>54077807
What if it's reverse-guard faggotry and that's his plan?

>>54077773
I'm not gonna post the 20 metal GK models I'm painting up to be Purifiers now, just to mess with you. We need more guard posts in here !

>>54077785

I mean its T8 with 16 wounds. Its going to get close.

32nd for

>you came to the wrong neighborhood Mon'keigh

>>54077815
Regardless of whether that one is true or not, the other one is definitely false.

>>54077794
Once they get full rules yes. Until then Ynnari it up.

>>54077790
This stuff is the best

>>54077792
I know. I had to

>>54077819
Raptors>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ultramarines

So I finally picked up a Stormraven. How does /tg/ think I should assemble the turret gun for 8th ed?

>>54077775
Prove they are fake then

>>54077794

Not until they get access to proper transports, HQs, etc.

>>54077819
Everything looks more shit if covered in baby blue paint with a toilet seat on it somewhere.

>>54077825
Then I guess that was a job well done.

Anyone have thoughts on the land speeder storm?

I used to use one to get my shotgun/cc scout squad in close, however it doesn't gain the scout rule anymore.

Is it worth it?

>>54077831
Mine got smitten to death in my last game, 4 psykers 9 mortal wounds each turn. I was really tilted, nothing I could do about it.

Couldn't even spend command points to stop it

>>54077819
Anything Ultra-Blue looks like shit bro

>>54077841
They're pegged you can swap at will.

>>54077854

So your Land Raider was the closest model within 18" but you couldn't get it close enough to do anything valuable? What the fuck where you doing - how were you allowing your LR to be the closest unit to 4 psykers?

>>54077841
Assault cannon seems nice for the sheer amount of shots it throws out.

>>54077843
First of all that's not how the burden of proof works. At all.

But secondly, GW isn't going to go 4 months with no Age of Sigmar releases, especially since at least some of the preview pics we've seen on the rumour mill are clearly AoS models, and none of the preview pics that look to be 40k related match up with the shit the leaks claim is coming.

>>54077872
I was trying to unload my centurions, but I didn't know you had to disembark before moving the transport.

Also I couldn't use my psyker to deny because he was inside

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Okay /40kg/,

Talk me into/out of buying myself one of those new thunderhawks for my birthday

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>>54077835
>>54077850
>>54077862

>>54077744
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? The Deathwatch almost exclusively acts in kill teams of a dozen marines or less.

The whole point of the deathwatch is to highly elite squads of marines able to perform surgical strikes.

>>54077887

So just put any fucking unit in front of it so that unit has to be hit my Smite first? It sounds like you just played piss awful. Smite only hits the closest enemy unit so its super easy to game around.

Having something in front of it has no impact on you - you disembark within 3" of the LR then move and go on about your business.

DARE YOU ENTER MY IRON CAGE

>>54077900
There might be a plastic Primaris one coming in the next few months, so at least wait to see if that's a thing or not.

>>54077900
Buy it or you'll forever be cursed, getting turned into a filthy kender with a vore fetish.

>>54077914
It's my 2nd game ever, I didn't know how smite worked until I faced it

>>54077926
>>54077887
How about read the 8 pages of rules before playing games

>>54077906
because they deathwatch get sent on missions to fight large xenos threats and shadow war takes place inside a hive city or similar type of location.

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>>54077924
>Tfw vore fetish

>>54077900
Putting it together might take a week or two. Same for painting

It might have warped parts (which is more likely with larger blocks of resin)

Parts might have absorbed the release agent meaning no paint will ever stick to it

You'll possibly have to explain it to your parents/GF/wife somehow

>>54077953
Yeah Deathwatch would never act alone in a small unit deep behind enemy lines. Totally.

>>54077834

Oh definitely
>We're focused on the neglected factions so ALDAR and Thousand Sons stuff soon off the bat

>>54077923
Hahahahahahaha

Not a chance. People need to accept that plastic thunderhawk rumours are just a time honoured tradition in the 40k community.
Also the resin thunderhawk can already transport chad marines, there is zero reason for a special one.

Thoughts on the following list.

>Yvraine
>Shadowseer
>Troupe Master - Embrace

>5x Harlequins - 5x Embrace, 2x Fusion Pistol
>5x Harlequins - 5x Embrace, 2x Fusion Pistol
>5x Harlequins - 5x Embrace, 2x Fusion Pistol

>Starweaver - 2x Shruiken Cannon
>Starweaver - 2x Shruiken Cannon
>Starweaver - 2x Shruiken Cannon

>10x Shadow Specters - Exarch
>10x Shadow Specters - Exarch

>Hemlock Wraithfighter
>Hemlock Wraithfighter

>Wraithlord - 2x Bright Lance

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>>54077954
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20neck%20oneself

>>54077953
Dude you're retarded. Shadow War's main location is Armageddon, a campaign that the Deathwatch are specifically mentioned to have fought in.

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>>54077738
>faction that has its own army list exists only as mercenaries for other faction

>>54077969
hive cities are not behind enemy lines, they are imperial territory.

>>54077986
Normally I would agree but this time might be different for multiple reasons.

But then I was saying the same thing about February Sisters rumours and look where that got us, so you're probably right.

>>54078005
Even better, what's your point then? That the Deathwatch have a deathly fear of doorways?

>>54077953

Nope that's 100% not accurate to the fluff.

Deathwatch are about killing shit before it becomes a major issue. Like killing a warboss before shit goes full Waugh.

Or killing Genestealer covens before they generate enough psychic force to call the Nids.

Or deal with Eldar pirate scum.

What they are not good at handling are big Xenos incursions. That's what Imperial Guard are for with hopefully close to full Chapter SM support.

Are Possessed ever going to be good again?

>>54078002
>>54078005
>>54078018

Not a job for Deathwatch, but apparently Grey Knights are all about that

>>54078002
Why would people buy the Overkill board game if they could play Deathwatch as they are meant to function in SW:A just as well ?

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How do you picture a carnifex bioplasma attack? A glowing green sphere? A compact fireball? A purple glob that trails off?

>>54078003
It's funny because even sisters of BASS HOLE get their own list, they're less of an army than those literally who's.

>>54078033
>no daemons
>send in the Grey Knights for small unit stealth warfare!
>shit loads of aliens
>keep the Deathwatch the fuck away from that shit, everyone knows they suck at that

>>54078033

GKs get bored waiting for Bloodthirsters/Angron to manifest so they can kick daemon ass so they pick fights with Meganobs to keep busy.

>>54078043
Like the carnifex is jizzing from his mouth.

>>54078060
>pick fights with Meganobs

Not even
Just Boyz and Eldar civilians

>>54078078
this.

>Tau with homing beacon can deep strike without regard for enemy position
>technically, can deep strike within 1 inch of an enemy.
>doing so will make the enemy engaged.

Legit? Useful (for example, sacrificing drones to tie up an important unit)?

>>54078051
Literally the only reason they're not their own team is because they're mercanaries for SM scout teams.

They made those three teams said they'd be the only factions present only to have to turn around and make one for everyone else.

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shit, where can i find what the TITANIC keyword means? i know its in the rulebook but i just keep missing it

>>54078099
lol if you would use ur common sense you'd find out that it means ur model can be transported in the rms titanic

>>54078099

Move and shoot Macro guns
Get rekt by macro guns and... that is about it

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>>54078043

>>54078106
>legitimate answer
Boring anon

What is better, Dragoons or Balistarii?

>>54078043
https://youtu.be/8Rx8_vjbXX4?t=99

>>54078095
You can never be within 1" of an enemy unit without charging.

>>54078051
it's probably got to do with the fact that the game is about training up rookies into hardened soldiers, which doesnt work with deathwatch because they are already veterans

>>54077790
I tried store bought simple green. Worked pretty well, but some of the pigment is still there in recesses and as stains. Is this normal?

>>54078161
There isn't a rule that says so. The only rule close to this is that you can't move within 1 inch of an enemy without charging, but you aren't moving your units here.

>>54078161
Not him but the rules don't say this. That's why rules that let you deploy things normally tell you they have to be more than 1" away from any enemy models.

>>54078169
>grey knight rookies
>tyranid rookies
>necron rookies

>>54078169
A) Grey Knights
B) Lore-wise the DW take anything from Blood Claws to Terminators, it wouldn't be hard for them to start off as tactical marine equivalents and work their way up. What do you think happens in the DW RPG?

So is there ever any reason to field dakkafexes in 8e or is it still CC fexes only?

>>54078189

Actually almost nothing says 'must be more than 1" away when deploying' - most of them have the 9" requirement but another illustrative of this is that scouts can deploy in combat in theory. If your opponent deploys on their deployment zone edge you can deploy within 1" of them while still being outside the deployment zone and start in combat.

>>54078104
>>54078105
i could have sworn that units got +1 to hit against titanic, but now i cant even find it in the brb or the index. is it only specific keywords that involve titanic that affect it? does it not have an intrinsic meaning?

>>54078235

The only Keyword with real intrinsic meaning is Fly. There are a few terrain rules that impact infantry and titanic but almost no keyword has intrinsic value.

>>54078031

I hope you mean Foule™ Vesseles™ of Daemonic Power™

>>54078235
There are a bunch of things with no intrinsic meaning now.
Cavalry and Biker do nothing now, for example

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>>54078230

Why are Harlequins so fucking good now?

>>54078296
They take Earthshaker shells slightly better than most?

>>54078296
Because GW is staffed by clowns

>>54078296
They've got ridiculously fast, highly effective melee units, and great psychic powers.

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on these weapon profiles it lists AP as both 3, and -3. is this just a typo/inconsistency or do they mean different things?

>>54078253
thanks mate for the clear answer

>>54077900
You want a Thunderhawk then fine. BUT, you might want to someday feild the machine and that beast costs over 700 points.

If you want a giant-ass flyer in a 2000 points game without the risk of being BTFO by the ground forces, consider the 320 point Marauder bomber, or the LESS than 300 point Marauder Destroyer. It's like a Thunderhawk on a diet!

>>54078306
Oh no, not the dreaded earthshaker shell

Averaging 2 hits (if you didn't move) and after rolling to wound and rolling saves 1 kill a shell vs most targets

How frightening!

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in light of 8th ed im thinking of playing imperial knights with other imperium lords of war, as i have never tried a super heavy army (due to watching a store WAAC fag spam his wraithknights. Question is,which of these two is better?
> three knights
> 2 knights and a baneblade.

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So a few games in to 8th Ed with my eldar and I've noticed a few things.
I really like howling banshees in a wave serpents plus warlock with drain. They can get into melee easy, turn one if you use one of the 3 closer deployments. They kill a decent number of things, and tie elite melee units really well.

Swooping Hawks are dead, long live scourges. Luckily I used those models.

The humble shrukin pistol does a lot of work. As do twin paults.

>>54078345
I think most people operate in some weird fantasy realm where they triple the average effectiveness of heavy guns/weapons, etc. It's a form of denial about how good cheap, large model count units are these days.

>>54078347
I'd imagine 2 and a baneblade is more interesting for everyone involved

>>54078306

What with hitting their transports on 5s? Yeah I don't think an earthshaker is worth shit against them.

>>54078296
GOTTA GO FAST GOTTA GO FASTER FASTER FASTER MURDER CLUWNE MOVING AT INCREDBLY HIGH SPEED

>>54078345
Who ever moves Basilisk??

>>54078378
Mirage Launchers are -1 to hit.

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>Tfw best legion never gets recognition it deserves

Was there ever a consensus on LSS and how/if to use them?

>>54078378
People who are playing against the turn 1 stealth suit drop army.

>get drones within one inch of your basilisks.
>commander with 4 flamers tears up your conscript screen, while stealth suits help

>>54078256
A lot of those will probably get mentioned in codex.
Eldar have a few rules that mention jetbikes.
I'd put money on white scars getting a stratagem that mentions bikers. Likely being able to advance then charge.

>>54078345

They're called earthshakers because they always miss and just annoy the target with tremors

Hey Chart-anon, are you there? I have a question regarding squads where a couple of models can upgrade to a special weapon.
I was wondering if the better way was to add first the whole squad with their base weapons and then just add a single model with the special weapon's stats.

Or just a single model for each and multiply the respective costs by the number of times they'd be present in the unit. You know, for the usual "what would be most effective to equip N squad with" questions.
Eg. 9 * normal_marinelets + 1 * plasma_marinelet )

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>>54078406
>mfw decimation

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Facing Mech IG tomorrow how fuck up is he?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [53 PL, 999pts] ++

+ HQ +

Canoness [4 PL, 53pts]: Power maul, Storm bolter

Canoness [4 PL, 53pts]: Power maul, Storm bolter

+ Troops +

Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 79pts]
2x Battle Sister
Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 79pts]
2x Battle Sister
Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 79pts]
2x Battle Sister
Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad [5 PL, 97pts]
Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer

+ Heavy Support +

Exorcist [8 PL, 160pts]

+ Dedicated Transport +

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 90pts]: Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

>>54078328
You add three to the target's armour save
DUH

>>54078358
Haywire Scourges are dead, long live blaster scourges!

>>54078328
>typo/inconsistency
It's -3, check the wargear section in the back, then make sure to thank the tournament "Playtesters" who didn't do a fucking thing besides try to break the game, yet fail to read and understand basic game concepts.

>Mfw all this Bassy Bullying
You're all just jealous Whirlwinds are shit.

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>>54077824
I approve of your comment.
Say, what if someone brought a big dude in a mecha suit and said it counts as it?

>>54078445

Yes because they were play testing with the full rules copy rather than pdfs and google docs being shared back and forth.

Look I think they did an overall poor job but blaming fucking typos on play testers is fucking stupid.

>>54078143
Like, to do fucking what? What even is the rest of your list?

>>54078440
I like the idea of new haywire rules. Mortal wounds is not bad, but they don't do enough, or cost too much.
If it was D3 on 4+, d6 on 6+. Or just make the haywire blaster a budget option at 8 pts.

Also no weapon scourges are really cheap for objective grabbers with a gun that does work.

>>54078475
To kill the enemy and stuff, rest of the list is also ad mech.

>>54078361
Neat how do i take a baneblade and 2 knights as either imperium or chaos,because at the moment i can only see it working with 0 cp as auxiliary detachments.

>>54077767
Raptors best chapter.

>>54078358
I havent tried banshees yet, that S3 keeps putting me off. I tried scorpions and was dissapointed, I mean ok, they killed a conscript blob but they just died to lasgun fire

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>>54077919

>>54078487
There's a lot of ways HWBs could be better, but blasters are just top notch.

>>54078467
Rule 101 of playtesting is you read everything
Clearly this wasn't done, so you can bet they won't be doing any "Playtesting" for GW ever again
Even the digital indexes had these glaring typos. And there still many questions regarding base game mechanics. Thankfully FAQ is on route.

>>54078517
Imo Banshees aren't there to kill things, they're there to be a tarpit

>>54078536
Wouldn't wyches be better?

>>54078508
>what is super heavy detachment
Do you know how to read faggot?

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>>54078508
Baneblade Factions: Imperium, Astra Militarum, <Regiment>
Knight Factions: Imperium, Questor Imperialis, <Household>

Gosh, they've got some overlap. I wonder how that works.

There is nothing technically stopping an IG army from being equipped with Rhino-patterned vehicles, yeah?

>>54078530

How were they supposed to read the fucking Indexes when they weren't playing with them? They were playing with play test copies of the rules. You have no clue if the typo was in the play test document they were using or not you stupid fuck.

>>54078487
It does the same basic thing it did last edition but vehicles have 5 times as many "hull points" now.

>>54077694
Speaking of Slaanesh...

Slaanesh fucking when?

>>54078145
This goes quite well with "Heavy Metal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELUP-oZQKM4
>>54078507
Oh I see. Well then yes, they're good :^)

>>54078555
Lorewise or rulewise?

Lorewise it's probably heresy or something

Rulewise I can't see a Rhino that lets them get in.

>>54078547
Probably yeah, but Wyches aren't Eldar

>>54078574
Dat's racist.

>>54078536
Dont they hust die with a measly 4+ ?

>>54078530
>second FAQ is ALREADY on the way
Most play tested edition ever?!

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>>54078584
WE

>>54078517
The S3 doesn't matter as much as people keep hating on.
First, wounding on 5s still puts out good amount of wound against infantry and bikes (have an executioner on the exarch though). And now they still do a few wounds every turn against vehicles, the -3 ap helps there.

Second, against tougher things their job is to keep it in melee more than kill it. -2 to hit combined with drain means that dreadnaught is hitting on 5s. You'll stay.

Third, the humble shrukien pistol, you shout the thing you are holding in melee.
The wounds just add up.

>>54078589
stacked -1 to hits help

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>>54078550
>>54078554
thank you for highlighting my intense autism.

>>54078536

>Using Banshees in Wave Serpents as a tarpit

Wraithblades make for vastly superior tarpits and can also hitch a ride in a wave serpent

>>54078427
About 50% Fucked. You're basically playing a Sororitas version of Mechguard. He'll be bringing Chimeras, Touroxes, and/or Hellhounds, you're bringing Immolators. He's bringing Meltavets, Melta Command Squads, and/or stormtroopers (All of which can take up to 3 special weapons) and your taking Battle sisters with 2 special weapons.

It's going to be a near-even fight, but you're biggest advantage is you're immolators which are much more effective on the move than the chimeras and tauroxes. His greatest advantage is the shear number of cheap special weapons he can bring over you, and the long-ranged weapons like the taurox battle cannon that can slow you're transports down.

Also remember you're excorcist is better than a leman russ battle tank in every way.

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>>54078573
Units must share the same <Regiment> or <Chapter> to be able to ride in transports, right? Even Kriegers wouldn't be able to take a ride in Elysian Vendettas.
By the way, Officers of the Fleet can designate Strafing Run targets whilst inside aircraft, right?

>>54078605
Anytime, Anon.

>>54078558
The game is still unbalanced as fuck, it's filled with typos and errors to the point where it requires two FAQs immediately upon release.

So tell me, what was even the point of their 'play testing' then?

>>54078618
Check per transport. For example, the Chimera says "Can transport up to 12 ASTRA MILITARUM INFANTRY models". Rhinos say "10 <CHAPTER> INFANTRY models". The Sisters Rhino has something else..etc.

>>54078567

Daemon Slaanesh isn't in awful shape. I can't imagine them actually creating a lot of new Emperor's Children models other than maybe Fulgrim because people are willing to collect daemon primarchs.

Lucius a shit

>>54078427
Fucked. Fast attack is the best part of sisters now. Fill up your slots.

>>54078573
I mean, I don't see why it'd be heresy.

And I was more meaning to use Taurox or Chimera rules (or Hellhound and Leman Russ) but convert from Rhino hulls.

Like, lots of factions get it. I'm just thinking that there is no technical reason a regiment couldn't have Rhino-hulled stuff?

>>54078589
-1 to hit.
Stack with drain.
Wychs are to hold things that want to fall back.
Banshees are for things that don't want to be falling back.

Or get a thing that can fall back, but loses a turn, and another thing that doesn't want to.

And they are more kill than people expect. It's a bit like the original shooting philosophy, only it happens in the wound phase. Instead of the hit and save phase.

>>54078558
GW didn't create a special play test copy, that's extra work. They simply sent out the rules as they are. Without all the bling, all the art and everything else.
All that info was literally copy pasted. You have been lied to, or you don't care and don't want anyone to say bad things about the "Tournament" Crowd.
You know, the same faggots who are running around spamming fliers at tournaments and claiming it's completely overpowered.
The same faggots that supposedly "Playtested" the game.
Don't defend them or their actions. Unless you are being paid to, or are one of them, in which case:

You are the cancer on the wargaming community

>>54078597

WUZ

>>54077767
I want to see someone close the cowl-esque and paint it as a seale helmet

>>54078638

See >>54078467 - I'm not defending the balance you toolbag. I'm telling you you're a fucking moron for blaming typos on play testing.

>>54078659

If you want to do it, fuck the lore. It sounds like it'll be cool

>>54078617
I can fit 3 special weapons into Battle Sisters squads the third in the form of combi-something.

But cutting points down is turning into a bitch. I could simply run flamers in everything but the dominions and give them meltas.

>>54078615
Cost far far more. Can't reliably get to the target as quick.
Wraith blades want to be killing.

Also, banshees are better at tarpitting elite melee units. Because like you they think high School and damage is what you want in the elite killer.

Then their S8 3d weapon is still hitting on 5s, and killing a single banshee at a time.

>>54078675
Nice attempted deflection but I'm not even the anon you're implying I am, try again.

It's cute that people think Deathstars are gone when aura buffing means you can have the same characters buff multiple units into an unholy knot of death.

Multi-faction deathstars are gone, sure, but within a faction it's way easier to get a big death ball rolling, all because characters not joining units causes way more complications than it removes.

>>54078666

You're free to believe that they literally wrote the rules, sent them to play testers then got feedback and changed nothing. That makes you a moron. If you think they literally sent them the full text of the indexes and rules for play testing and there was 0 iteration or revision then you're delusional.

>>54078659

>Imperial guard
>being allowed to use marine STC templates
>trying to keep the machine spirits happy without a techmarine

It's like you want your boxes to break down all the time

So does a detachment only need one shared faction keyword or have all keywords be shared? For example could I have a Renegades and Heretics list with Chosen, a Forgefiend, and some Bloodletters? Or an Genestealer Cults list with a Lictor or two?

>>54078696

It isn't a deflection when I am fucking pointing out that I don't think anything is balanced. I am saying that typos are not fucking related to play-testing. Bad balance is, typos are not.

>>54078661
I will test them but I think scorpions are still better

>>54078653
>best part now
Dominions and Seraphims have been good since for ever.

The issue is keeping those sweet command points. Or simply say screw it and go melta Dominion in Repressors with two hand flamer MSU seraphim and try to cram Celestine in there

>>54078710
only one shared keyword, but all units in the detachment have to have that keyword.

>>54078710
Any single keyword. I could have a Captain leading a Sisters squad, Cadian Squad, and Scout squad into battle. It'd be dumb, but I could.

>>54078710
Just share one

So you could have a 'stealer cult with Lictors, or a cult with some guardsmen, but not a cult with both.

>>54078702
The only abuse-able ones are those that stack.

Like those stupid Dark Angel speeders

>>54078708
Sisters of Battle could take Techpriests for their literal Rhinos in 7E?

>>54078680
The lore is that they're an extension of the Ultramar Auxilia (called the Ultramar Limitanei or Limitana,) and run Rhino patterns as either gifts from chapters who no longer use them (cus Primaris) or redirected to them from Forge Worlds as chapters don't use them (cus Primaris.)

Regiment symbol is an upside down Lambda symbol (meant to evoke the reversed Omega of the Ultramarines.)

Are there point values for Vendettas anywhere?

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>>54078670
KANGZ

>>54078704

The vibe I get from the final rules isn't so much "Most playtested edition ever!" as it is "We gave the rules out early to some tourneyfags and they liked them."

There'll have been some feedback and changes, but the tourney assholes did nowhere near the job a competent in-house playtest team would have done.

>>54078670
TRUEBORN

>>54078618
Except for Inquisitors who can jack any Imperial ride, yes.

>>54078708
>Marine STC
>Used by every Imperial faction except the guard.

Bruh, the Solar Auxilia used to have them too.

>>54078727
You can't take guardsmen in the same detachment as GSC. Same army sure, but not the same detachment.

>>54078755
oh, huh you're right.
oops, I thought you could for some reason.

>>54078742
Imperial Armour. 110 Per.

>>54078752
Ands its goddamn bullshit jokaero dont have that rule. I want my barre-i mean drop pod full of monkeys GW.

>>54078752
But can Officers of the Fleet designate a target within 18" of the Vendetta he's in?
>>54078742
110, in the Astra Militarum FW Index

>>54078708
Anon what?

Rhino chassis is basically the workhorse bitch of the Imperium. If you are reach enough you can get one.

PDF, Enforcers and Arbiters have access to it due to how cheap it is to mantain once you have it.

The chimera on the other hand is cheap to maintain and easy to produce by people in a cave with a bunch of scraps

TL:DR Imperium STC is for everyone

>>54078750
The vibe I get from your post isn't so much "Knows what he's talking about!" as it is "Retarded little kid who's never played 40k is posting on 4chan".

You'll get some replies, but the you have nowhere near the opinion a competent 40k player would have had.

>>54078773
>Drop pod arrives
>Inquisitorial goo comes out of it.
>Intact hat, thus still in full command.

>>54078755
This isn't right. Units in the same faction can be taken in the same FOC. So you could have a battalion detachment with a chaplain and an inquisitor as your hqs, then two squads of sisters and a squad of gks as your troops.

>>54078750

This will be the new model going forward, for good or ill.

>Alpha testing: in-house
>Beta testing: select tourney players
>Open Beta testing: initial release + index
>Version 1.0: codex

>>54078728

Nah, all you need to do is stack up several copies of a power unit then plop down a few beneficial
characters in the middle and you have a super-deathstar. Simply saying characters can't buff people from outside their subfaction but letting them still join units would have been much cleaner.

>>54078031
Try spawn they are better

>>54078788
None of that is relevant to the specific GSC rules anon.

>>54078790
Better than the old model.

>Alpha testing: Talking over a pint
>Beta testing: first couple 6.0 codices
>Open Beta testing: next couple 6.0 codices
>Version 0.2 beta testing: 7.0

>>54078721
Very different role imho.
Used scorps in the games as well.
The new infiltrate means they have very different target selection issues.

Scorps do not want to tango with things with good weapons, but do better against backfield options.
Banshees are better at hitting the front or tying down your opponent's initiators.

>>54078755
New to 40k detachments, can you clarify how they work?

So if I'm taking a Battle Forged Army, can I take a Detachment of models sharing the Aeldari keyword, and a Detachment of models sharing the Tyranid keyword, or does my whole army have to share at least one keyword?

>>54078750

They did their job perfectly when you consider that their job was to basically break the game and expose any glaring meta-shattering rules exploits.

You won't find a single thing in any of 8th thus far on the level of 6e screamerstar, daemon factories or scatter-bikes spam.

GW has editors. It's their job to spot things like typos or fucked up layouts.

>>54078817
That's easy. First you read the 8th edition rulebook, then you go back and read the 8th edition rulebook.

BYE

>>54078574
They clearly have the Eldar keyword

>>54078714
But how did they playtest the game if the rules were full of typos and grammar errors?
CHECKMATE

>>54078779

Arbites should use the wheeled Chimera variant almost exclusively as it's better for repressing the citizens.

>>54078829
I've read it plenty. It's really unclear since the rules are hidden all over the damn place.

>>54078832
Cool, I thought so, but >>54078755 had me unsure

>>54078845
ah wait fuck

>>54078832 was a totally separate question haha

40k how do you even work

>>54078790

It would have been nice if they'd at least incentivised the tourney guys to actually bother playtesting, but honestly giving the rules to the WAACfag central format was never going to achieve much.

Anyone who actually cares about playing the game and having fun doing so learned to avoid tournaments decades ago. Even casual store tournaments are a tryhard hell nowadays.

>>54078842
I thought the decision to use wheels was for the asphalt's sake, not for the citizens.

>>54078817
>or does my whole army have to share at least one keyword?

That's literally the only rule for detachments now, and you somehow missed it.

You can put a SM Librarian in a detachment with Conscripts if you like, you can mix any and everything so long as at least 1 keyword is in common with them.

>>54078886
>only rule for detachments now
last time I played you just had to take a hq and two troops. this whole detachment thing has me bamboozled

I'm pretty sure I've got it, but every time I look at the 40k rulebook I find some new rule hidden in a sidenote somewhere

>>54078842
Arbiters use the non lethal version of the Repressor

Instead of a Heavy flamer it has a water canon. Instead of storm bolter it has rubber bullets

>>54078817

Read the rules.

>>54078768
Plus cost of guns. Which are like 60 total?

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I'm thinking of making Traitor Primaris Marines for my Black Legion Army

What does /tg/ think?

>>54078704
>>54078786
Well shilled, 2 shekels have been added to your account.

This anon >>54078750 knows what he's talking about. Probably because he's read and played with the fucking rules. Shame the same can't be said for the "Playtesters"

If you really want any proof that GW sent the tourney fags the same shit we got yet did nothing, look at the questions and issues that arose as soon as the full index leaks went up.
If you think, for whatever reason this edition was actually playtested in the manner GW and the tourny fags want you to believe, that wouldn't have happened.

We still don't have a yes/no regarding FNP abilitites and mortal wounds
No answer on if smite can be used while in melee, and into melee
Confusion over modifers, re-rolls and affects
Flamers hitting hard to hit models automatically
Mass inconsistency's between weapons gaining different amounts of attacks compared to their previous editions (TFC having 4d3, wyvren having 4d6 and being cheaper)

The edition wasn't "Playtested" and tourny fags yet again get to fuck over the game and community.

>>54078867
This is sadly true. I've had to create a tournament scheme and layout that doesn't give prizes to players based on placement, it's the only way my locals will show up, aside from less than 5 tryhards.

>>54078845
GSC have a special rule that allows for Guard detachments, and it does so by adding the GSC keyword to the units.

That's a very specific exception that's clearly addressed in their rules.

>>54078905
Thanks for the post, 10/10 quality

>>54078823
There are a few ones like being able to slingshot a solitaire anywhere you want across the board with a bit of luck.

>>54078903
>this whole detachment thing has me bamboozled

That's because you're an idiot. The old 5E force org is literally just a single detachment on its own. Now you can have more than one. How is this hard?

>>54078913
It actually doesn't add the keyword. It simply says you can do it even though they DON'T share one.

>>54078903
That's the only rule in terms of faction, you still have to honor the force org of what ever detachments you take.

>>54078823

>They did their job perfectly
>Clear army tiers from day one
>Hordes are extremely powerful and the game makes anti-horde a lot harder to achieve than ever before
>Obviously useless units in pretty much every army

>>54078912
tl;dr

>>54078916
>asking a question that the rulebook answers for you
>then asking more questions because you're an idiot

0/10 quality, would rather read posts about femarines screeching, manlet baiting, and dead pets than this garbage

>>54078817
Your army, and all detachments in it, have to share a faction keyword. As long as they share a single keyword, common to all units in the army (except for unalligned things like fortifications), they can have any other additional keywords.

GSC have a rule that let them have IG in the army as a separate detachment (1 IG detachment for each GSC detachment).

>>54078931

Don't you see, anon? These were all armies that were suffering, and by making them good it boosts tournament ticket purchases!

>>54078909

Another >BLACKED player, good. I'm not sure I'd go for that unless you're good at greenstuffing chaos stars and spikes and such, as BL are very heavily into Chaos Undivided (and the big four) and as such are usually depicted as pretty heavily spiked.

>>54078931
>believes every single retarded shit that some moron writes on a blog or some autistic piece of shit posts on /tg/
>thinks trash model spam is good despite all tournament results so far coming up with vehicle spam
>clearly has no idea what the fuck he's talking about
Wow go hit the vape a couple more times, stupid.

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Facing Mech IG tomorrow how fuck up is he?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [53 PL, 999pts] ++

+ HQ +

Canoness [4 PL, 53pts]: Power maul, Storm bolter

Canoness [4 PL, 53pts]: Power maul, Storm bolter

+ Troops +

Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 79pts]
2x Battle Sister
Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 79pts]
2x Battle Sister
Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Battle Sister Squad [4 PL, 79pts]
2x Battle Sister
Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Meltagun
Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad [5 PL, 97pts]
Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Flamer

+ Heavy Support +

Exorcist [8 PL, 160pts]

+ Dedicated Transport +

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Immolator [5 PL, 103pts]: Immolation Flamer

Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 90pts]: Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

>>54078618
sauce?

>>54078938
>asking a question because I'm not sure if I've missed something
ftfy

>>54078921
>>54078930
>>54078939
Cool thanks. That's what I've been doing, I just wasn't sure if I'd missed a rule somewhere. Appreciate the clarification.

>>54078975
>literally has a giant "rocket" between "her" legs

Hordes are the new meta so how's my revised Tau list look like?

Battalion Detachment +3CP[1998pts]

HQ 336pts

Cadre Fireblade [42pts]: Markerlight

Commander [147pts]: 3x Fusion blaster [63pts], Shield generator [8pts]

Commander [147pts]: 3x Fusion blaster [63pts], Shield generator [8pts]

Troops 680pts

Kroot Carnivores [120pts]: 20x Kroot [120pts]

Strike Team [112pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 11x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [88pts]

Strike Team [112pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 11x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [88pts]

Strike Team [112pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 11x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [88pts]

Strike Team [112pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 11x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [88pts]

Strike Team [7 PL, 112pts]: 2x MV1 Gun Drone [16pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui [8pts]: Pulse rifle
. 11x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [88pts]

Elites 814pts

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [12 PL, 253pts]: Homing beacon [20pts]
. 5x Stealth Shas'ui w/ Advanced targeting system [190pts]: 5x Advanced targeting system [40pts], 5x Burst cannon [50pts]
. Stealth Shas'vre [43pts]: Fusion blaster [21pts], Velocity tracker [2pts]

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits 345pts
. Crisis Shas'ui [69pts]: 3x Flamer [27pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui [69pts]: 3x Flamer [27pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui [69pts]: 3x Flamer [27pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui [69pts]: 3x Flamer [27pts]
. Crisis Shas'vre [69pts]: 3x Flamer [27pts]

XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit 216pts: 2x Flamer [18pts], Fusion collider [44pts], 2x MV5 Stealth Drone [20pts], Shield generator [40pts], Target lock [12pts]

Fast Attack 168pts

Pathfinder Team 56pts
. 7x Pathfinder [56pts]: 7x Markerlight [21pts]

Pathfinder Team 56pts
. 7x Pathfinder [56pts]: 7x Markerlight [21pts]

Pathfinder Team [56pts]
. 7x Pathfinder [56pts]: 7x Markerlight [21pts]

1998pts

>>54078912
>Can you smite into melee.
They don't need to answer that, because it's already answered.
Nothing ins pskic powers says they can't target things within 1" of an enemy. Or can't be used.
So melee doesn't matter.

The fnp thing I will give. Their templating on that was bad.

>>54078750
>"Most playtested edition ever!"

Hey look it's this faggot who keeps spamming this despite the fact that he's a casual scrub who sucks ass at the game.

This IS the most playtested version of the game ever. It's just that all the editions before this one were EVEN FUCKING WORSE.

>>54078975
Didn't you post this shit upthread already?

>>54078750
>a competent in-house playtest team would have done.

Too bad GW has never had one of these, and never will. Herp de derp, plan for the world you live in not the world you want to be, dipshit.

>>54078912
Except those questions are easy to answer if you READ THE FUCKING RULEBOOK.

>We still don't have a yes/no regarding FNP abilitites and mortal wounds
Yes
>No answer on if smite can be used while in melee, and into melee
Yes you can
>Confusion over modifers, re-rolls and affects
lol

Even without answering the rest I can tell you that these questions come from retarded WAAC fags who don't like the way the rules have changed and so are pretending to be "confused" and use shitty RAI arguments to try and change them.

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>>54078999
In a fucking retard


++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [50 PL, 998pts] ++

+ HQ +

Celestine [14 PL, 250pts]: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad [5 PL, 137pts]
Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Dominion Squad [5 PL, 137pts]
Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Seraphim Squad [8 PL, 134pts]
6x Seraphim
Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword
Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Hand Flamers
Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Hand Flamers

+ Heavy Support +

Exorcist [8 PL, 160pts]

+ Dedicated Transport +

Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 90pts]: Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

Sororitas Repressor [5 PL, 90pts]: Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

So, from a Command Squad only models that took nothing can swap their lasguns for a special weapon. If they have a standard or medipack, that's no plasma gun for them right? That's how I understood it but I'm still checking

>>54079018
In a fucking retard what?

So how do Combi-bolters work in 8th?
Is it just the same as a twin linked bolter, but with different fluff (twin linked was made like that, combi-bolter was strapped together with sticky tape)


Do my models with combi-bolters fire double the shots?

>>54079018
Well you are role playing a shitsters of basshole player on the internet for replies, so... Yeah.

>>54078992

Horde with no gun drones?

>>54078975
>shitsters of baass hole
You're going to get dunked on.

>>54079028
READ
THE
FUCKING
RULES
yes they are identical to storm bolters now, not TL bolters which in 8th would just be two boltguns, which would pretty much just be a combi-bolter)

>>54079038
Every fire warrior squad has two.

>>54079009

>A large wealthy company couldn't POSSIBLY hire people to do a job!

Of course in a perfect world they'd have conducted mass firings in the rules department and hired in -talent- before daring to completely reboot the core system.

Fluff department too. I mean, I know Primarchs sell and need to be front and centre to max out profits, but god forbid we get halfway decent primarch-centric lore apparently.

>>54079077

Ah, text lists are just not appealing to look at

>>54078981
Most transports say "May carry X <Keyword> infantry, SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED UNIT take up Y spaces instead of 1"

>>54078774
Units inside transports cannot DO anything, they are effectively off the board whislt embarked in a vehicle.

>>54078996

There were editions before 6th anon, I know that might come as a shock.

>>54079108
Yeah, really bad ones and an RPG

>>54079093
That's not what was said

Can someone explain how command points work? Someone told me you get 6 of them in a normal army and you can spend them on powers but the RULEBOOK doesn't say anything.

Help?

>>54079108

You think any of those were "playtested"?

>>54079122
3rd and 4th were perfect by comparison to the shit 5th onwards give us

>>54078567
They'll be phasing him out to replace him with the Hrud patron god, the Horned Hrud.

>>54079093
Actually i meant source on the video

>>54079108
>RT no playtest, casual garbage
>2E so unplaytested, they literally had to 8E it with 3E
>3E so playtested that they had to make 3.5
>4E lol speaks for itself
>5E "power creep: the edition" playtested

>>54079055
Jesus why do you care if people ask questions, just don't answer them if it annoys you

>>54079128
It's explained page 242

>>54079129
3rd was. Then codex show up and fuck up everything

>>54079055
I have been, havnt been able to find it so I came here.
No idea why they dont just put "you fire twice with this weapon" in the rules text for it.

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What would a Sisters order corrupted by a genestealer cult look like? Would this make for an interesting story?

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>>54078953

Still Chaos Primaris would induce rage and autistic screeching by SM players especially ultrasmurfs

>>54079140
Even a fresh steaming pile of hot dog shit is a perfect wargame compared to 7th edition lol

>>54079142
>slaneesh gets squatted
>like HElves, DElves, WElves, Empire, Brettonia, Tomb Kings, Orcs & Goblins, and possibly the Night Goblins
No please make it stop.

>>54078909
You are going to want to use the FW black legion pauldrons and heads maybe to get around some of the spikes you are going to have to build onto them as >>54078953
said. The other big kicker is having to remove all of the imperial markings on the primaris marines and then go back over with GS to reshape it properly. Would make for a funny chosen squad though, literally elevated above their fellow traitor marines. Can't wait to get legion tactics back again again

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> You're a big guy

>>54079158
>female mental domination fetish
We had enough bad writing with BL alone

>>54079128
Really? Try page 242-245

>>54079098
plz no :(

>>54079157
literally in the back of the book with every other weapon profile

>>54079169
You have no idea how bad 5th and 6th where then.

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>>54079179
For you

>>54079158
Black library already did something like this.
They all get pregnant and enjoy it so much they end up getting pregnant three or four times more before turning to chaos.

>>54079184
Just drop him off with whatever else your V is carrying, and have him issue orders from there.

>>54079157
Because they can just put rapid fire 2 instead of rapid fire 1.

>>54078912
What part of 'Hits automatically' is not clear?

What do ' inconsistency's between weapons gaining different amounts of attacks compared to their previous editions' have to do with anything? Lots of shit changes between editions on everything that is Marines.

Honestly, all of these things are user error from you trying to apply 7th ed logic to the 8th ed game.

Get it out of your head that things that existed in 7th have to apply now. Actually read the rules as they exist now.

>>54079179
>skipping left arm day

>>54079217
*on everything that isn't Marines.

>>54079204
>psycho nuns actually just want to have a bunch of kids
That's kind of cute actually.

Thinking of converting all my R&H and Cultists into redemptionists. Opinions?

>>54078690
I think the Sisters using meltas riding in flamethrower transports combos well. But you may want to concentrate the meltas into triple melta squads, to ensure the transports pop. The unequiped melta squad can play backfield.

>>54079150
Because asking questions without reading the rules leads to having opinions without knowing what you're talking about, which is fucking garbage.

>>54079140

The 3rd core ruleset was wonderfully trim and functional after the loose setup of 1st and awkward adolescent years of 2nd. Most of the problems from 3-5 came from poor codex balance.

And then we swap all that out for what is basically AoS 2nd edition, brought to you by the design team that fucked up the 3rd and onward framework, only this time trusted to build their own game instead of raping the existing framework.

It works more efficiently than the mangled wreck they'd crashed the previous framework into, but it dropped a lot of simulationism and fun from the experience and is a lot clunkier than pre-decades of bloat 3rd ever was.

>>54079157
What did you think Rapid Fire 2 meant?

>>54078308
Underrated post.

>>54079241
see that's a problem with answering questions, not asking them

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Had a question regarding the relic rules for forgeworld muhreen units

With this rule that you cannot have a number of relic units that exceeds non relic units of the same battlefield role does this mean that to take a lord of war relic unit like the spartan or the typhon you'd have to take a non relic lord of war as well?

Not sure if this is just another small case of poor writing or if I'm just being an idiot

40k wikis says marines hate railguns
what does that even mean

>>54079269
Railguns offend their sensibilities

2 basiliks or 2 wyverns for blob guard?

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>>54079227

I didn't have any mk3 left arms.

I might just throw a purity seal on there to try and hide it or something I don't know.

>>54079269
Tau have railguns and they kill marines so hard it destroys their geneseed.

>>54079204
It'd be an interesting story for the few sisters that are uncorrupted, fighting against their comrades. Maybe I just want more sisters stories though.

>>54079269

Someone post that comic page with Tancred getting repeatedly blasted by a broadside laughing and calling him a fag.

>>54079290
The first time I saw this image it took me a bit to understand why the guardsman was flipping off the Knight.

Which is better against a charging horde:

A Commissar + 3 Infantry Squads (with all the trimmings)

or

4 Infantry Squads (with all the trimmings)

?

>>54079268
Yes that's what it means.

>>54079300

Don't alot of guns kill marines hard
How they manage to never have multiple chapters crippled in anything larger than a skirmish is beyond me

>>54079266
Not if your answer is always "READ THE FUCKING RULES"

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>>54079269

>>54079343
You're one of the reasons why 40k is seen as toxic

>>54079269
>wiki says Superman hates Kryptonite, what does that even mean?

>>54079366
40k is seen by people outside of 40k?

My friend has a 4th edition tyranid army and is getting back into the game. What should I tell him to get to deal with flyers?

>>54079366
>toxic
kek thank fuck for that or we'd have more fucking retarded pieces of shit like yourself mucking about in here

>>54079338
I'm seriously leaning towards 4 inf.

I dont really expect squads to survive each charge so Ld + Execution might not get much use anyway, Com gives me 3 reliable-ish wounds.

Vs

7 more Lasguns, a flamer, a boltgun and a hw team, 10w and more bodies....

>>54079411
Nothing, flyers ain't shit anymore, they're just normal vehicles mostly. All of his models have rules now, tell him to get the index book with nids in it and go nuts he can have his list up based on what he currently has in like 10 mintues with the new rules.

>>54078992
Oh c'mon, you could squeeze at least one extra vanguard detachment out of that!

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>>54079177

It's easy to erase the markings on the Primaris and make them Chaos.

What I worry is, will anyone play with me and should I just play my Chaos Primaris with standard Intercessor datesheet rules?

I'm actually thinking of getting a Primaris Librarian and turning him into a Dark Apostle.

>>54079437
We've already played a few games, he knows the rules.

"flyers ain't shit" they can't be hit in melee by anything but his flying tyrant and he doesn't have much in the way of guns. This is the edition of stormravens, what can he buy to help against those?

>>54079195
5th was parking lot : the edition, with the most blatant codex powercreep ever

6th was just the open beta for 7th edition

>>54079268
Basically you can't take the ancient murderbox of love and slaughter out of the armory without an escort to keep it safe, or the Master of the Relics will have a heart attack thinking of his poor baby all alone on the battlefield with no one to shield her from errant lasgun shots.

>>54079399

>Space Marines are invulnerable to all weapons except projectiles launched via magnetism and only magnetism

>>54079399

Yeah marines aren't suited to fighting Tau.

It's not really a matter of tactics or anything, more resource management.

Tau have more reliable tech than the imperium, but shitty numbers. Tau could never hope to outnumber the guard, the guard might as well be Tyranids to them.

But a marine chapter? 1000 men. Usually they deploy 100 or less to a given warzone.

Tau have high strength weight of fire infantry guns, and plentiful armour piercing options. They dislike holding territory, reasoning that staying mobile and taking a toll on your foe is better. Give up land now, and when you win you get all the land.

Marine power armour fails against massed high strength infantry fire, or against plentiful armour piercing. Whilst they can take on tau, they take high attrition doing so which is a phenomenal waste of imperial resources compared to just drowning them in guard bodies.

>>54079472
Oddly enough, I've had some luck using battle tank commanders.

>>54079472
>and he doesn't have much in the way of guns

get more guns

>>54079340
>>54079477
that has to be an oversight in the rules unless this means that I have to take a 500+ point tax for another lord of war just to use my spartan in which case fucking why GW. Do chaos or any xenos factions have restrictions like this for some special units?

>>54079484
I thought it was because Railguns rip through a marine, destroying the geneseed and a possible future recruit.

>>54079470
Not many people are going to complain if you are using models that are bigger than they are suppose to be. It's quite a disadvantage in most situations.

>>54079341
Any marine can replaced because, by the time they're deployed one geneseed has been harvested from them.
The one they carry is an extra, but still a valuable resource.
And no, not every gun destroys the geneseed unless specifically targetted. A plasma gun may core a marine and set its corpse aflame, but unless the geneseed capsule was targetted it survives.

>>54079501
Yes. I am asking which guns.

Thoughts on these 1000 point and 1500 point armored company AM lists? TANKS GALORE

spearhead (+1cp) = 822

pask + punisher + heavy bolter sponsons + hull heavy bolter
manticore + hull heavy bolter
manticore + hull heavy bolter
manticore + hull heavy bolter
hellhound + hull heavy bolter
hellhound + hull heavy bolter

supreme command (+1cp) = 677
tank commander + LRBT + heavy bolter sponsons + hull heavy bolter
tank commander + LRBT + heavy bolter sponsons + hull heavy bolter
tank commander + LRBT + heavy bolter sponsons + hull heavy bolter
master of ordnance

total points = 1499


spearhead (+1cp) = 999

pask + punisher + heavy bolter sponsons + hull heavy bolter + heavy stubber + hunter killer missile
tank commander + LRBT + heavy bolter sponsons + hull heavy bolter + heavy stubber
manticore + hull heavy bolter
basilisk + hull heavy bolter
basilisk + hull heavy bolter
hellhound + hull heavy bolter
hellhound + hull heavy bolter

total points = 999

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>>54079484
>Yeah marines aren't suited to fighting Tau.
Tau are vulnerable to close combat. And who are the non-Ogryn humans armoured, fast and skilled enough to close combat with the enemy?
SPESS MEHREENZ
Their melee power was feared and respected, which is why they were targetted first.
>>54079506
You thought wrong.