40k General /40kg/

FIRST FOR PLASTIC SISTERS

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>Most playetested edition

>First GT winner use more flyers than marines

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SECOND FOR PLASTIC SISTERS

>>54046524
>tournaments not putting restrictions on detachments as suggested by BRB
>system abused as expected.

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>>54046524
You called?

>>54046531

You keep saying this shit, and it has to be only you that's this retarded, but that list is completely legal even using GW's exact rules.

2000 points is "up to 3 detachments". That army uses 3 detachments. It doesn't use any gimmick detachments, it only uses the basic battalion, and two of the alternative detachments that replace the troop requirement with another slot like elite or fast attack.

>>54046550
But it's not 2000 points.

>>54046558
>1850 point GT

What the fuck are those morons doing do they think this is 7E or some shit

>>54046545
>single rippers on 25mm bases

when was that ever a thing?

>>54046545
>not the genestealer head or red lighting eyes version

D R O P P E D
R O P P E D D
O P P E D D R

>>54046558
Put 2 of the flyers into 1st wing and 1 into the patrol, lose 1CP. Like who cares.

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1 sniper team+both hqs+plasma team+missile team start in airborne deployment, melta teams start in flyers which start on the board with mortar plus remaining sniper teams.
HQs used to give "move and fire" so that I can get assault mortars and snipers or assault missile launchers because that order is 10/10
also 7 points per BS3+ sniper (2 wounds) makes ratlings look shit

>>54046591
basically what i want to field

>>54046591
battlescribe is so ugly to look at, rather use word

>>54046558
1,001-2,000 Up to 3 per army

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>>54046579
Battle for Macragge
>>54046585
Ask and thy shall receive

>>54046610
it's functional, I always preferred it to the online list builder, plus I could send stuff to my phone as well or make lists on my phone
>>54046598
forgot to ask, any feedback?

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Threadly reminder that only plebs use Power Level.

Should I paint my black templars primaris as normal marines or use red like sword brethren?

What's with smaller GW being open only 6 hours some days?

>>54046636

Isn't that being pushed all over europe? We've had 8h work days for a century-ish

>>54046635

As normal for fluff, paint lieutenants, ancients and captains as sword brothers is what i'd do

>>54046651
We'll they're probably open longer doing back end stuff.

Store I'm going to right now opens at 12pm and closes at 6pm

>>54046499
Reposting for the older, crpa thread
Alright lads, rate me 2k
Battalion
ghazghull 215
mad dok 74
mega mek, power klaw, KMB 131
30 boyz, klaw 205
12 boyz, truck, klaw,kustomshoota, big shoota 189

5 nobz, combi skorchas, power stabbers 195
battlewagon, kannon,deff rolla,2 big shoota 207
Dakka jet, 6 shootas 148

Spearhead detachment
Big mek, forcefeild, big choppa 84
3 kanz, 3 rocket lauchers 189
deffdread, 4 klaws 149
Big trakk, 3 skorchas, supa skorcha 214

gaz goes with the skorcha nobs, along with the doc, and the mega mek in the battle wagon, looking for fun times

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>>54046499

> Horde edition
> Play nothing but Sanguinary Guard, plus Sangy/Ancient/Priests
> Plasma Pistols are cheaper than Bolters

>>54046686
does it work ?

I know this is a faggoty question but is it possible to crack Battlescribe to enable the "supporter" shit? I refuse to pay them money for basic functionality.

Why the fuck are Skitarii units so fucking tiny compared to other 40k humans?

>>54046524

Fuck that's even less fluffy than a 7th ed tourney list.

>>54046908
Because they are the only none-gene augmented human models sold.

>>54046925
apart from guard you mean

>>54046925
>a human inquisitor is taller
>an imperial guardsman is taller
>an officio assassinorum operative is taller

>>54046925
what b8 is this

>>54040882
Slap her boyfriend's ass and see how she reacts

>>54046948
>Immortal and augmented.
>Nearly always augmented or abhuman.
>Augmented.

40k humans are nearly always either or both genetically and cybernetically augmented. The guard chapters with models all are, all inquisitors are and most members of the government. They live for hundreds of years for the Emperor's sake.

So bare with me on this, characteristics are no longer capped at 10 now, so if you take a DE Succubus (LD8) with splintermind (LD+2) and Inspiring Leader (LD+1) you end up with Leadership 11.

Then you drop her in a Tantalus and every friendly model within line of sight that isnt in cover gets to use her leadership 11.

I've had a quick look at the relevant sections in the rulebook, and cant find anything that prohibits this, am I missing something?

>>54046959
>literally what
>apparently conscripts are augmented
>not genetically tho

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>upcoming tournament uses killpoints
>1750
>no forgeworld
>battle forged
>1-2 detachments - no limits on types of detachments

Soooooooo:

Supreme command detachment
>Illic Nightspear(warlord)
>Warp Jump Autach with Banshee mask, Dual deathspinners, power sword.
>Warp Jump Autach with Banshee mask, Catapult
>Wraithknight with Dual Wraithcannons

Air Wing
>Razorwing Jetfighter with 2x Disintegrator cannons, splinter cannon
>Razorwing Jetfighter with 2x Disintegrator cannons, splinter cannon
>Crimson Hunter
>Hemlock Wraithfighter with conceal/reveal and smite
>Hemlock Wraithfighter with Embolden/Terrify and smite

>>54046959
>They live for hundreds of years for the Emperor's sake.

Juvenant treatments, not genetic augmentation.

>The guard regiments with models all are

Source, right now.

>Skitarii aren't biologically augmented

Read the fluff, they are, it's not just cybernetics.

>>54046634
t. pleb

>>54046908
Because most modern human 40k models are too large. At least the entire cadians line seems to imply that humans are just as large as space marines.

Rather than fixing that, GW decided to make bigger marines instead.

>>54046959
Source this shit, right now.

Because you're wrong.

>>54047006
Everyone has wanted bigger, truescale marines.

>>54046672
Anyone have any idea on what i should improve?

>>54047016

I certainly haven't. I've wanted "Truescale" morons to shut up for years, because they're clearly wrong.

Are marines taller than Orks, Eldar and Necrons? Hint: No.

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>>54047041
>manlet cuck
How's it feel when GW is dicking manchild marines in the ass while pushing the new and in every way superior Primaris

>>54046524
>1850
>cancerous spam list

Tourneyfags gonna tourneyfag.

>>54047016
Only people who are obsessed with the size of things for obscure reasons.

>>54047054
In all ways? I mean yeah they've got some cool armor but ruleswise they kinda suck.

>>54047054
>Every way superior

Th'fuck you on about, Primaris are pretty trash on the TT compared to optimised regular marines.

>>54046634
Thats fine, who cares what they use

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>>54047041
> I've wanted "Truescale" morons to shut up for years, because they're clearly wrong.

This. Fucking truescale faggots.

>>54047041
Most Orks are Boyz, and are 6ft tall, hunched over, which they always are.

Eldar vary from 6.5 to 7ft, so the very tallest are about the same size.

Got a point on Necrons, I guess.

>>54047016
I didnt gave a shit and i still dont.

>>54046524
Im amazed you think turnament players arent most autistic win-or-die people on earth who will abuse rules as much as they can just to feel good about wining in games.

>>54047041
>Orkz?
Technically, yes, but only mostly because they're naturally hunched a little.
>Eldar?
Not really, no, but not many people complained about Eldar scale.
>Necrons?
They're taller than Warriors, but not taller than Immortals or any of the other larger ones.

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>>54047088
>>54047083
>being in this much denial
You know that GW will make them a tier 1 army once they get their new codex with the vehicles and everything?
How can manlets be this fucking delusional, lmao

>>54046970

Nah that's perfectly legit, the question is why would you bother when you auto pass leadership checks turn 4 onwards

>>54046978

Airwing detachment is a maximum or 3 fliers, no?

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From competing 40k Facebook page

Conscript spam memes
Be ready boys

>>54047111
I'm a Guard player faggot. And unless they get some serious buffs or synergy play with their special weapon squads then they will always suck compared to a good tac squad.

>>54047054
>Comment about wanting an autist sub cult to sperg less
>Replying with how not gobbling up chad marines must mean you're a manlet
Somehow it appears like you're projecting a little bit much there anon.

It's funny how many people blindly fall for GW's obvious effort to convince marinefags to replace their entire collection.

>>54047113
Characters provide their leadership to troops?

Also, auras dont work in transports.

>>54047054
Can't speak for that guy, but I hated the truescale shit for years, but love the idea of the primaris.

Because... Primaris actually are 8-9' tall in lore.

>>54047134

The Tantalus has a rule specifying if your warlord is on board any models in line of sight of the Tantalus they use his/her leadership. It's a vision rule not an aura rule.

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>>54047111
>M-muh Primaris Marines are superior because they'll be better later, i-it doesn't matter that they're trash now, guys, they're still better

Your projection is delicious, please screech more about your superiority as you're beaten by manlets again and again.

>>54047107

That's my point. Marines are scaled pretty accurately against Xenos.

It's the plastic cadians who are the problem.

Now Primaris marines loom over things they have no business being taller than.

>>54047137
Too bad their lore is shit and sucked from a middle finger along with the rest of "i am gonna write about genius of Guilliman but since i am dumbass black library author the best i can come up with is rubbish like Gulliman ordered Space Marine Space Marines from Cawl cos he 'predicted' (what?) "

>>54047128

> They're a waacfag, of COURSE they'll paint 550 conscripts to win.

>>54047111
>Caring about rules

I've always played using marine models I liked the looks of, no matter if they were the newest hot cheese or considered trash. I've had 5 Vanguard veterans with dual plasma pistol, just because they can have that, since the start of 5th edition.

>>54047137
This guy gets it

>>54047126
Its 3-5

>>54047158
>>54047158
>he 'predicted' (what?) "
He predicted a resurgence of the traitor legions since they'd failed to wipe them out during the scouring and wanted some big guns on his side. And guess what he was fucking right about the traitors coming back for round 2 even before he got shanked by the snake hoe.

f he could have had the Primaris Marines with him before he died I'm sure he would have, but they werent finished so he went without.

>>54047158
I don't think anybody would have been upset if GW sold bigger marines as an alternative without any explanation why they were larger. The lore is just so bad that it is actively making people decide against buying primaris models.

Flamer: in 7th was flame template, in 8th is D6 Auto Hits
Burna: in 7th was flame template, in 8th is D3 Auto Hits

Frag Missile: in 7th was Small Blast, in 8th is D6 Shots
Frag Grenade: in 7th was Small Blast, in 8th is D6 Shots
Battle Cannon: in 7th was Large Blast, in 8th is D6 Shots
Thermal Cannon: in 7th was Large Blast, in 8th is D3 Shots (increasing to D6 versus units of 5+ models)
Thunderfire Cannon: in 7th was 4x Small Blast, in 8th is 4D3 Shots

>>54046524

Hmm well okay one good thing I can draw from that:

I was thinking to myself that since Dreadnought Drop Pods are inexcusably overpriced I might want a Stormraven in really big games for my all-dread army to drop someone off in enemy lines, but I was thinking to myself "How can I know a Stormraven isn't largely dead points if it's not using it's full transport capacity"

Well that's how I know: A tourneyfag thought they were good enough to spam empty, and he won.

Guess I'm picking up a Stormraven if 3000 point games take off around here like I expect them to.

>>54047196
"If we did not killed those guys, they must be still there!'
Fucking genius!

>>54047200

Well that, and mixed armies look really bad.

Death guard are disgustingly overcosted

>>54047128
Judging by the fact that the guy fielding 125 orks and 60 gretchin I played against already ran out of room to deploy his units on a 6'x4' board, not even half of that is gonna fit in the deployment zone lol.

Haven't looked at the index yet how are Techmarines in 8th?

>>54047221

>Stole Necrons most durable army ability

Boo hoo suck it up plaguelord.

>>54047223
Go and look at the index now, then

>>54047128
>People snipe their Commissars, then route them with ease.

>>54047158
That's almost a coherent sentence.

>>54047218
If you're the poster I replied to you're a fucking weirdo
>complains about authors wanking about how super smart and genius Guilliman
>gets all assmad when turns out it was just a simple logical conclusion and Guilliman ordering the Primaris marines actually makes sense
I swear half the people bitching about Guilliman have no fucking idea about the lore. The guy is nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be.

>>54047200
You maybe?

I've bought no marines since 2007 and am going to buy me some primaris just so my raven guard can have some clone-trooper Rift Stalker buddies to pal around with.

>So much shit sold out online
>no longer available online
New kits coming?

>>54047251
Yes, what else do you think it is dummy

>>54047152
>Now Primaris marines loom over things they have no business being taller than.

But Primaris Marines are very tall.

>>54046616
nope. battle for macragge was just gaunts, stealers and sporemines.

>>54047129
> gets called a manlet
> reveals he plays guard
> who are manlet when to marine manlets
When will they learn?

Would it be acceptable to use Plague Monks as nurgle cultists/poxwalkers?

what heavy support can Death Guard use?

Why is the relative size of some minis such a massive deal?

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>>54047128
How do you deal with T7 2+ saves?

>>54047237

>Rout them with ease

Okay so how much anti-horde firepower do you have? If you score 20 wounds to a unit it'll lose 16+d6 models, meaning you still haven't completely killed that one unit.

And he has 11 units. You have 7 turns tops to clear them.

>>54047283
chaos vehicles. Predators, land raiders, defilers.

>>54047278
Abhumans/mutants/Xenos that turned to Nurgle as a race could work towards justifying Plague Monks as nurgle mortal units.

>>54047286
1000 bs4 shots

>>54047286
More shots.

>>54047237

>"Oh does that unit have snipers?"
"Yes."
>"Then I'll just put my commissars out of LoS and within distance of the conscripts."

>>54047241
That might be the worst about the new lore : that Guilliman is almost a likable character, rather than the figure I loved to despise for years.

>Goes "WTF HAPPENED HERE" when he learns how the Imperium is after he woke up
>Tries correcting people on things he said that have been completely altered over the centuries ("No no you said this" "No this is what I said. I was there. I said it myself you dolt")
>Doesn't really like the results of Cawl's 10k years of jizzing in test tubes to improve marines
>Realizes that for the survival of humanity he has to do bad things, just like the Emperor had to, because sometimes you can only choose the lesser of two evils if you want to survive.
>Hates religion

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>>54047274
>Primaris fuckboi assmad that the Guard are actually the best fucking army in the game
Pic fucking related. Marines of any flavor wish they were as manly as the humble guardsman.

>>54047283
>what heavy support can Death Guard use?
defilers, predators, landraiders.
You can take anything chaos/heretic astartes but it wont get bonuses from your deathguard auras.

>>54047241
And how much did good have it did to him? He is useless in everything other than "with his great genius he routed the enemy and won the battle, but detail i can not tell, just gonna say he also lead army from the front because its cool"

At least someone like Farsight got his actual tactics instead of asskissing.

In our local slow grow league orks are running wild all over everyone. Piles of choppa boys are wrecking everything, and they're too numerous to stop.

Is this just the cost of doing business at low points? Will it naturally sort itself out or should we just accept our new green overlords?

>>54047316
>Farsight

I'm going to be fair and assume you're talking about pre-6th Edition Tau, before their entire fluff became 'and then technology, dedication, skill and perfect tactics that we refuse to elaborate on beyond a sentence of vague and basic shit beat everyone back, the end.'

>>54047309
It's a wasted effort anon. Some people just fail to understand that standing up to the horrors of the Grimdark and fighting them as just a man is more impressive than fighting them wearing the best armour, wielding the best weapons, being genetically altered into a fighting machine and being conditioned to no longer be capable of being afraid.

World Eaters
Thousand Sons
Death Guard
Or Emperor's Children?

>>54046894
It's possible, I think. Same way people crack vidyas i.e. i have no idea

>>54047326
>choppa boys cant deep strike
Just shoot them, 6" back and shoot them again?

>>54047332
Tzeentch or Undivided if you care about making a difference
Everyone else if you just wanna fuck about being pointless

>>54047295
Quick napkin math:

1000 shots
500 hits (4+)
83 wounds (6+)
14 unsaved (2+)

If there's a -1 hit buff (like from a plane, or psyker power, or smoke launcher) it drops to 9 wounds.

With a -2 hit buff (ghostkeels) it goes down to 4-5 wounds

That's a best case scenario where all of your guys are in range and able to shoot at the same target. Given how easy that would be to disrupt, I'm not too impressed.

>>54047332
Iron Warriors.

>>54047111
And that's why Primaris Marines are hot garbage with no special weapons and shitty one-shot heavy bolters?

Min-maxing wise, Tacticals are completely superior to primaris marines. Devastators more so.

>>54047107
>They're taller than Warriors
That's just not true and immortals are suppose to tower over them.

>>54047326
Could also be that people are still using their 7th edition armies and have no fucking clue how you should play against horde armies. Here ork hordes have been properly BTFO, only difference is that they actually won a few games now too.

>>54047309
> Manlets: the Army, only viable tactic is drown Chads in tides of REEEEEEEEing weak manlets
> fulfills manlet dream of beta uprising
When will they learn

>>54047328
Yes.

Now i see, its just became shit everywhere with time.

>>54047290
Or I use one Imperial Knight Poryphus or however the fuck it's spelt.

>>54047299
i can deep strike my snipers into play :)

>>54047359
laughingtankcorps.jpg

>>54047332

> 1d autopilot
> Chronically horrible
> My first 40k hordes
> Squatted

Sons are probably the safest ones to buy that won't be remade any time soon. Death Guard have been the clear winner since 4th ed.

>>54047359
When the chads learn to stop dying in droves to manlet swarms like chumps.

>>54046499

Anything you would change /tg/?

>Spearhead detachment 1500
Captain - Power axe, Chanisword 79
Primaris liutenant 74
4 Servitors - 2x Heavy bolter 60
4 Servitors - 2x Heavy bolter 60
Thunderfire Cannon 134
Thunderfire Cannon 134
Thunderfire Cannon 134
Relic leviathan - 2x Grav-flux 275
Relic leviathan - 2x Grav-flux 275
Relic leviathan - 2x Grav-flux 275

>>54047299
>he doesnt use ratlings, who have special rules designed to fuck over that kind of bullshit

>>54047367
The best counter to Conscript spam is Vindicare + Eversor spam

Prove me wrong

Hmm, I really need to pick up my slack with my orks, so much to do.
But on the other hand I also want to start something new for 8th edition...
I'd like to do something with Celestine be it a conversion or something, but sisters are out of question for lack of models.
I'd also like the idea of running with the Visarch and Yvraine as DEldar Archon/succubus, but I got no clues on how to DEldar.
A big bug tyranid army would also be something I'm interested in.
But who knows what'll come out after the initial primaris and death guard Releases...

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>>54047299
>Thinking my bombers care.
>Thinking my snipers care.

>>54047384
Dunno, personally I'm thinking about using sternguard with stormbolters, Pedro Kantor and razorbacks.

>>54047359
>Augmented superhuman
>Loses to regular humans
>Gets twice-augmented
>Gets even more rekt
Now i see why all imperiums resources go to waste. On the stupid dream of "amazing super human warriors"

>>54047312
so i can just paint my forgefiend in death guard colours but i just wont be able to use the aura

>>54047380
> manlet playing manlet guard beats Chad playing Chad Marines
> manlet all smug as shit
> Chad laughs, says good game
> Chad goes home and fucks girl friend
> manlet jerks off to anime women or traps, cries
When will they learn?

So I'm reading the R&H section of the FW index for Astra Militarum and the renegade commander is given a 5+ invuln save from his refractor field but at the same time can take a mark of nurgle which gives him a 6+ invuln save against attacks below strength 4. Does this stack?

>>54047384
The best counter is a list with multiple T6 and 2+ save models, and some -hit buffs.

>>54047398
Yup.
You could also take world eater bezerkers or thousand son rubric marines as troops if you really wanted too.

>>54047394
>using pedro "pedo" kantor
You have to go back
Back to your side of the wall

>>54047411
so>>54046978

>>54047408
Why would it?

>>54047413
But anon


There is no wall

>>54047365

How the fuck are souped-up Lascannons gonna help you?

>>54047232
They have your thoughts and opinions in the index? Here I thought it was just stats and rules.

>>54047421
I'm new to this game so I wasn't sure. Thanks.

My local league is about to start their summer season, and I'm super psyched.

Well, I was, but it appears we'll be using power. Sigh, I hope it'll work out well, but I'm sure some WAACfags will exploit the power system to its fullest.

>>54047446
See evryone has to use power m8. We are starting a 50 power tourny at some point, and i expect to be drowned in custodes and planes

>>54047420
What is the save on your planes?

As per >>54047348
With a -1 to hit:
4+ save will take 27-28 wounds - if he splits his fire between 2 targets he is likely to destroy both in one turn
3+ save will take 18-19 wounds, which is enough to stop him from blowing up 2 per turn

>>54047413
Never seen a wall to back from in Spain.

Are you high or just ignorant?

>>54047332
>World Eaters
>muh Khorne Berserkers as troops

>Thousand Sons
>muh forced to choose specific units and no more tzeentch daemon backup

>Death Guard
>muh forced to choose specific units to cast wacky magic and being slow as fuck

>Emperor's Children
>muh Noise Marines as troops

And to include models:

>Abaddon
>forced to turn your army into Black Legion and Chaos Space Marines for maximum buffs

>Huron
>forced to turn your army into Red Corsairs for maximum buffs

>every chaos daemon that isn't Be'lakor
>forced to play mono-god armies

What the fuck were they thinking?

>>54047286
>How do you deal with T7 2+ saves?
I don't as no sane tau player would run one of those pieces of shit, though the Y'vahra is good.
>>54047384
Elysian Sniper spam (7 points for 2 wound Bs3+ sniper with deep strike) + Assault cannon Tarantula spam (12 shots at BS4+ with deep strike for 45 points) is my method of choice

>>54047381
>BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT
good post

>>54047468
3+ but hemlocks can also give -1 to hit or -1 to leadership ontop of being a hard to hit flyer, and also confer a permanent -1 ld bubble.

>>54047483
Best chaos is currently mixed chaos

Take zerkers, rubric, sonic and plague as troops, mix and match as you like, steal some artillery from traitor guard and some demon support to boot.

>>54047464
Power levels in tournament is basically pay too win.

Because in that system to you for the unit not the gear in particular. So you could list tailor on the spot if you bring enough models.

If the tournament bans that, then just play with points that takes in consideration gear.

>>54047221
It may change over time. They have been adjusting rules with each update for AoS, hopefully 40k will be the same.

>>54047290
A lot, thankfully.

>>54047483
>>muh forced to choose specific units and no more tzeentch daemon backup

You can still field or summon Tzeentch daemons alongside Thousand Sons just fine. Horrors actually seem a nice cheap objective camping alternative to Tzaangors.

>>54047286

Dark lances/void lances/Pulse Disintegrators.

No saves 3s to wound multidamage

>>54047138
It looks so adorable

>>54047303
>Hates religion
it is pretty shitty

>>54047518
>fedora tipped

>renegades and heretics in the fw astra militarium index

why

>>54046894
Then code one yourself faggot

Help 40kg, I'm currently 6-0 undefeated in my FLGS and starting to feel bad (my most recent game I tabled my opponent only losing 5 men myself). I'm playing craftworlds most of my lists focus on two wave serpents (one filled with avengers and one with an even split of banshees and dragons).

Does that sound like cheese?

>>54047523
Makes it easier to reference shit that they can take from that index

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>>54047286
2d3 auto hits at S10 ap-4 damage 2

>>54047498
What tournament wouldn't pin players down to set lists? Hell, by that "logic" you could have done the same with points in every previous edition providing the unit's overall cost doesn't change.
>hurr this battle my sternguard have combi-gravs rather than combi-meltas, they're still 10 points per model so the list is the same

>>54046524
As I predicted in an earlier thread:
A. You need to spam one and only one of hordes, elites, monsters/vehicles.
B. S5/6 spam is useful against any of the above.

That's how list-building works now.

>>54047494

Conceal only works on infantry

>>54047303
Hating religions in 40k is a sign of mental retardation.
Socially when the setting has more than enough Gods and God like creature in it. One of them is your god damn fucking father.

Since the term religion is used as believing in some space super friend and not as the institution, hating religion in 40k is like hating oxygen exist.

>>54047494
Leadership doesnt really effect conscript spam. They'll lose 1 guy at most because of the commissars.

Even if you snipe the commissars he'll use 2CP to auto pass morale tests.

With -2 to hit and 3+ you're looking at 9-10 wounds, which is really good because it means he can't (on average) kill 1 plane per turn in a best case scenario.

>>54047558
and the caster

>>54047506
>>54047539
What does that have to do with conscript spam?

>>54047563
So there are powerful thing.
But its not the reason to worship them.

>>54047538
bullshit, but I believe it

downloadable book fucking when, piratebros?

>>54047541
In PL it could happen, since you just buy the squad, with every possible gear combination already. Not the especific gear.

It is an odd situation with how PL system works. I doubt anyone would actually try to pull that, but in a tournament? Waacfag galore is on the table.

>>54047006
How do skitarii look next to dkok or elysians?

>>54047563
Worshiping uncaring gods is a waste of effort.

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what is average model count in a chaos space marine list for around 1k points, every list i make seems to be on the low end , around 20-30 models total. dont see how u can win as chaos when every faggot is running 1000 guardsmen

>>54047574
How many cp does his list have?

The planes can reliably sit outside his range to ignore him wile still dealling lots of wounds. Wraithknight will smack conscript blobs upside the head when it hits combat.

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Hey guys, my local GC decided to make a smal tournament, no FW 1000p do you think this list will go well? Should i change something? I dont expect to win, but i hope to not get thrown out round 1 by WAACfags.

>>54047605
Agreed. Why people worship the chaos gods is a mystery to me.

>>54047556
Somehow this feels even less balanced than 40k. Rather "one or two" armies serve as skew outliers for the rest of the game, rather than the entire game turn into extreme rock-paper-scissors. Ymmv.

>>54047620
For the odd chance you get immortality instead of a tentacle dick because of warp corruption I guess. Not that it seems to have much impact on the odds.

>>54047584
Well in 40k worshipping the Emperor gives you special power to use against the enemy of the Imperium.

So trying to go against it, stupid even by 40k. It looks like Thay Guy that has an atheist character in D&D. You can have it but it is cringy at best.

>>54047403
>implying chadmarines aren't played by insecure manlets

>>54047617
If its troop spam theyll usually have 6+

>Wraithknight will smack conscript blobs upside the head when it hits combat.
Not as many as you think, since damage doesn't spill over his multidamage attacks are inefficient against infantry. The most the Wraithknight can kill in the Fight phase is 12 with his titanic feet, and that assumes they all hit/wound - at 3+/2+ you're looking at killing 6-7 per Fight phase.

>>54047638
There is a difference between being an Atheist and believe in gods but just not caring to give them any favor.

>>54047618
>1002
the only WAACfag here is you

>>54047563
Guilliman has no idea if the Emperor is a God or not anymore. He flat out hates the Ecclesiarchy because they're a bunch of fuckups but he knows Chaos exists, has thrown most of the Imperial Truth aside and internally debates whether Big E is divine or not.

Just a heads up that Bitsandkits are having a half-off sale in case you want some extra stuff.
http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/dark-imperium-shipping-now-c-1094.html

>>54047633
But you need to be a super duper speshul snowflake in order to do that. Your average Rubric Marine will always be dust in a shell.

>>54047495
> take multiple cult units as troops
Nigga can you even fucking read. Cult troops are elite unless you go world eaters, thousand sons, death guard, or emperors children.

>>54047638
And wearing armor gives you protection too, but you dont worship the armor... unless you are an idiot from the imperium who annoint it with bullshit and such.

I wanna paint some orange scheme thousand sons but I'm not sure about further layers. Spray black, base averland over, then I'm not sure. Suggestions? Considering Zamesi desert or Yriel yellow, and shade with... TBA. Please, I can't put a scheme into colors :c

>>54047668
Exactly, and even if youre very very special you'll get dicked over most of the time. Just look at Abbadon, he doesn't even have arms !

>>54047641
> all that projecting
When will they learn?

test

>>54047684
Theres a big difference between kevlar and fucking divine miracles.

>>54047211
Honestly my biggest complaint about 8e is the removal of templates in favor of random numbers of shots. That and the way they handle characters now. The rest I'm cool with (still a bit uncertain about the vehicle changes, but not upset about them either).

>>54047690
I'd undercoat them white when going for a light colour like orange.

>>54047699
Yea, kevlar actually protects.

>>54047684

sisters of battle can literally pull a lazarus and come back from the dead

not even celestine either, basic sororitas can do it

>>54047696
You better not be a shitty spammer testing a ban evasion

>>54047600
Literally nobody plays like that. This isn't even another case of internet drama that doesn't translate into real games because people on the internet don't even write lists like that. Seriously, since the 8th stuff leaked how many lists using power level have you seen that just say
>captain
>tactical squad
>tactical squad
>dreadnought
with no other information? I literally haven't seen a single one, whether here, or on other wargaming sites, or out at my LGS.

It's a situation that only exists in your head m8.

>>54047713
So does the Emperor heretic.

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Show me your custom Primaris colour schemes.

>>54047715
kept saying "upload failed" when I was trying to post, wasnt banned
works now obviously

>>54047690
Prime white, base jokaero orange -> troll slayer orange -> fire dragon bright

>>54047713

Shield of Faith rule rather disagrees.

>>54047684
We are talking about shit like Surviving an anti Titan weapon and fucking Jesus finger blasting your enemies of you believe hard enough mid battle.

Girlyman not using that is just being stupid and edgy. Specially since BL is confusing religion with faith and believes.

>>54047704
What do you not like about characters now ? I like how they seem more like a part of your whole army now, rather than just that single unit you put them in.
Blast weapons could use a little buff though, maybe change them to 1+D3 and 1 or 2+D6 shots.

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Repent

>>54047706
Sure, been considering white as well, but that's not the issue at hand here.

>>54047732
Something you've done? Got pictures?
I want it to be towards the ochre orange / egypt feel.

>>54047722
>So does indoctrinating yourself with series of beliefs that makes your psyche rigid enough to resist basic temptations

>>54047669
>Nigga can you even fucking read.
Have your (you)

On the off chance you seriously don't understand why you're wrong re read the rules for picking detachments and re read the relevant cult rules for troops.

>>54047741
I wonder if they had to do a batch just for that anon.

>>54047713
We are in 40k honey.
Faith alone can make your bullets better or save you from death it self.

The BL fanfics forget 40k has actual faith magic in the setting.

>>54047751
Saint. Fucking. Celestine.

>>54047739

Templates likely needed to be something like:

Small: 1d3 +1 per 5 models
Large/Flamer: 1d6 +1 per 3 models

Either that or go 'Flamers are 1d6 but can target any number of units within range' so they devour MSU.

>>54047741
>Singlehandedly making GW able to afford making plastic sororitas

Based.

>>54047760
>>54047764
Having magical psychic powers dont have anything to do with faith. Space Elves blast ppl with mind bullets without believeing in anything, and most of their "gods" are dead.

>>54047760
Or the shitty BL fanfic go overboard with faith magic

That stupid deus ex machina in Deathfire where the Salamder captain was like "We only got warp raped the first warp jump because we didn't FAITH hard enough. Let's do it again, but now FAITH harder !"
Nick Kyme should be banned from being anywhere near a book for life.

>>54047775
>Having magical psychic powers dont have anything to do with faith.

Except for the fact that the SOB are not psykers. If they were, the Telepathica would have taken them away before they get trained.

That and 40k can barely manage to keep a single marine chapter full of marines who are all psykers going. Let alone SOB numbers.

>>54047775
>I don't know basic 40k lore the post

Anon faith magic is its own separate thing. If it is warp based is another subject. The thing is if you believe hard enough magic can happen in 40k.

>>54047775
There is a clear difference between Psykers and fucking faith magic. Jesus christ anon stop being a retard

>>54047760
>The BL fanfics

You are just being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. Faith based stuff are written about in novels recently in Dark Imperium where Girlyman's pet high priest was seemingly immune to corruption of the Chaos artifact.

I hope you get run over by a truck for your lies.

>>54047767
1" squad coherency (also cleans up congalines to a lesser degree), and bring back old blasts/templates. However, instead of scatter dice, place a blast down and roll to-hit each model under.

Napoleonic Ork Shootamuskets still weird me out from a mechanical perspective.

>>54047581

Oh my bad I thought he was asking how to deal with the Yvarah.

Conscripts I don't play against anyone with over 200 models.

>>54047767
What about double the amount of shots you rolled if the target unit has 10+ models ?

>>54047785
Faith magic is a RT. It has been in 40k since for ever.

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>>54047775

BASIC SORORITAS CAN BRING THEMSELVES BACK TO LIFE.

SAINT CELESTINE CAN HEAL PEOPLE WITH TEARS

THE SHIELD OF FAITH CAN BOUNCE BULLETS

THE EMPEROR DOES INFACT PROTECT

>>54047785

>Or the shitty BL fanfic go overboard with faith magic

The SOB books have the following happen due to faith:

>Resist Necron Mind Control via control machinery in brain.
>Save someone at the epicentre of a psychic shockwave big enough to level a building.
>Have guiding sensations helping you identify hidden foes and find your way to where you need to be.

>>54047704

The problem with blast weapons as they are is they are very good agains tanks (3.5 battlecannon shots = 1.75 hits is quite better than 1) but really crappy against blobs (where you used to get 6-8 units in with a good scatter and 3-4 with a bad one)

>>54047791
>if you believe hard enough magic can happen in 40k
diffrent form of subconscious psychic

>>54047791
>HUURR DUURRR

Don't dare post anything again unless you have proofs.

Living Saints such as Celestine were proven to be the work of the Emperor or at least a part og him, There is nothing about faith in the lore tht says its separated from the Warp. All form of sorcery and magic stems from the Warp.

>>54047610
> What are cultists
A Buddy off mine showed up with 40 Cultists, a Helbrute, 5 Marines, 5 Dudes with Jump Packs, 5 Terminators, a termator Sorcerer and a Lord with a Jump pack (if i remember that correctly) at 1000 points.

>>54047806

Would be a simpler one, yeah. Though it might not be enough with units like conscripts.

>>54047741

How many points are you even playing 20 rhinos alone is over 1400 points

>>54047828

That wasn't his point. Things can be warp based without being psychic.

It's part of the warp's emotional nature. Faith has real power.

>>54047610
If you're dodging cultists, running cult troops anywhere, or running more than one monster/vehicle, you're gonna have a low model count. You're a marine, even dumpster anon cant run more than about 70 dudes per 1k points

>>54047811
That's not faith. That's the Emperor granting his powers to some people. We know for a fact that the Emperor's powers extend even to those who are faithless (All SPESS except Templar).

So the guys who keep saying faith magic should eat the biggest dicks. This isn't WHFB.

>>54047618
I believe that FUCK SSHIT BITCH

>>54047843
i think he said 5k

>>54047829
i hate this whole "bring loads of little shit guys to overwhelm and win" so boring

>>54047844
Faith is not an emotion.

And the Warp is made of psychic energy so please don't headcanon.

>>54047848

>We know for a fact that the Emperor's powers extend even to those who are faithless (All SPESS except Templar).

Why do marines not get a 6++ then?

>>54047741

In my dreams, there are plastic repentia who keep their "berzerking with a huge Chainsword and no armour" theme without wearing fetish gear and being chased by a lady with a whip.

>>54047862
Faith powers are literally psychic in nature. That's why the Pylons severed the connection of Celestine to her powers.

Acts of Faith are basically the human version of the Ork's psychic gestalt field. It's the power of belief, of faith.

Regardless, hating religion is dumb anyway.

>>54047862
>And the Warp is made of psychic energy so please don't headcanon.

The SOB literally have an ability called 'Shield of Faith' that protects them and has also shown up in novels. How is faith protecting headcanon?

>>54047848
No you absolute tosser. In prior editions, faith powers even had variable effects based on how many people you had that had the keyword.

It's still faith-based. That's why all the fucking saints and people who show these powers are FUCKING FAITHFUL.

>>54047858
20-40 Cultists is standard objective holder / hero shield in any Chaos force, it's hardly "loads" and it's fluffy - plus it's 2 separate 20 man mobs, so not too awful to move around and your guns + morale will bring them down.

Are you really playing with faggots who take 500+ Guard? refuse to play that boring shithead then

>>54047889

Yeah, I'm a SOB player and I'm happy to admit it's warp based.

Though I'd be a bit more hesitant to call it psychic. It's an issue with 40k not really having a good separation terminology-wise of 'Done by a psyker' and 'Warp based but not done by a psyker'. As those sort of psyker powers work with specific rules that other stuff can often get around.

But either way, it's warp based and faith is the channel by which it's accessed.

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>>54047889
>>54047894
Celestine and Sistas powers stems from the Emperor, not their faith. It's shown that that kind of power can fall upon even faithless dudes like most of the marines.

Again, it's not faith that empowers them. It's the Emperor of Mankind lending his power in a way that's no different than the other Warp deities.

Again, this isn't WHFB. It's a more grounded setting. Go away.

>>54047908
as soon as the edition was release every faggot has picked up guard or nids, completely fucks over anyone that wants to run small to medium sized armies like marines, it sucks

>>54047922
It's stems from their faith IN THE EMPEROR. They can be channels of the Emperor because of their faith.

>>54047922
>Again, this isn't WHFB. It's a more grounded setting. Go away.

This is objectively false.

>>54047384
Kastelans and Rangers with snipers. Snipe the commissars then either super dakka the conscripts, double punch them or just use aegis and tank until they die from battleshock.

>>54047908
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Fine, hate a lot of the players too, but demand (or design) a better game too.

>>54047922
Yea, thats why when cadia pylon was restored celestine got fucked just as daemons and chaos worshippers... its same warp shit, just some of that is arbitrary "good" and some is "bad heretical"

>>54047805
>Conscripts I don't play against anyone with over 200 models.
Why not? It's a valid list.

Would you also refuse to play with somebody that brought 3 Imperial Knights, or 10 tanks?

Which would be the best allied snipers for a SOB force? Temple Assassins seem decently fluffy and don't require a heap of extra models but I'm unsure.

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>>54047898
>That's why all the fucking saints and people who show these powers are FUCKING FAITHFUL.

You mean more connected to the Emperor in the same way Chaos worshipers are connected to the Chaos Gods.

You don't need faith to access that power. Space Marine can get that power. Ahriman despite having no faith or loyalty in Tzeentch (he call him a false god) can still draw upon his power.

>>54047918
>Though I'd be a bit more hesitant to call it psychic.

Then you are not following the lore.

>tfw no sisters of battle facesitting you

CHAOS

CONSUME US

>>54047946
It's not arbitrary, though? There are notable differences in how one uses that power.

>>54047922
>Again, this isn't WHFB. It's a more grounded setting. Go away.
40k if far more fantastical than WHFB, are you a moron

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Hej guys. Total 40k newfag here.

I've been thinking about getting a few primaris starter set marines just to built, convert and paint. I'm a warhamms fantasy oldfag with 18 or so years of modelling/painting/converting experience and I always thought about converting a small army of truescale marines. This is why the new miniatures really interest me. I have some questions though:

1) Are Primaris marines just normal marines that are easier to trademark? If not, will I have problems should I ever decide to play my primaris as normal marines?

2) Is it known if GW will replace all the puny old vehicles to fit with the new scale? I ony saw a dreadnought and a hover tank that I guess could be converted to other tanks as well.

3) Where would I find a good and balanced starter list for SM? How far will I get with base box marines and converted base box marines.

TY.

>>54047829
how did it do?

>>54047960

>Then you are not following the lore.

You didn't actually read the post did you. That wasn't talking about sorcery and psyker powers. It was talking about psyker and non-psyker warp stuff.

>>54047929
Except when marines with zero faith get to have the same golden power flowing through them at times of need, Faith is not mandatory. You just need to get the Emperor's attention.

>>54047739
I miss being able to directly attach them to units, and I'm not a fan of the rules for targeting them.

>>54047985
>It was talking about psyker and non-psyker warp stuff.
No such thing. All Warp stuff is psychic and vice versa.

>>54047964
>papa nurgle want to gift his precious gifts to the humans, but they are capricious and foolish so they resist his benevolence.
where?

>>54048009

Then why don't all orks have the psyker rule?

>>54047922
What is this Divine Intervention Chart anyway?

>>54047591
It's in the OP. 40k indexes.

>>54048031
Rules for apocalypse games

>>54047973
>Balance
"Take 4 Stormravens"
"????"
"Profit"

>>54047749
Nothing I've done, but my friend has done his skitarii like that. They look pretty cool.
But less ancient and more hi-vis I suppose.

>>54048021
Why should they?

>>54047980
Very well.
I Also did some retarded shit that game, but at least his Lord punching my Valkyrie to death dropped it on his Sorceror.

>>54047976
They are different, yet the same marines
There has been no word on vehicles being replaced, only new ones are on route
For a list, you just need to make sure you can kill the different types of things on the field. Bring the guns/weapons/units that allow you to do that.

>>54048050

Because of the Ork Gestalt Psyker field.

Alternatively: Why don't all demons have the Psyker rule?

>>54047825
That is one of the problems, yes. Also, letting flamers and artillery shells hit flyers is silly.

>>54047973
I have read WHFB : ET and AoS, you can't fool me. In them characters fight star sized dragons,

A fight between two named characters split the heavens and earth in half creating an endless abyss through the Underworld.

>>54048049
considering just spraying (maybe black undercoat first) a gold coat and then layering armor in oranges because of all the shit that needs to be gold already.

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repostan

Can I get a little feedback on my "fluffy" kabalite list?

>>54047960
We're semantically defining faith now.

>>54048056
>Because of the Ork Gestalt Psyker field.

Individually, other than WBs, Orks are just latent psykers. On their own, an Ork is no more psychic than a rock. It's their collective psychic potential that manifests as the Waaagh!

>Psyker rule?

That's for guys who can wield the Warp in the form of spells and magic.

Most daemons jut use weapons and claws to attack.

How feasible is it to make an Alpha Legion Army using Primaris models? Like the models but dont want to be an Imperial Cuck. I mean of all the Traitor Legions, Alpha Legion are the mostly to somehow end up with a bunch of the tall boys right?

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>check index xenos 2
>orks no longer reproduce via spores, it's just a rumor

Well, that seems like an oversight. It looks like Death Korps can't take Earthshaker Carriage batteries, nor Medusa Carriage batteries and replace <REGIMENT> with DEATH KORPS.

>>54048097
Not really. Faith is not required. It's drawing the attention of the Emperor that's what's needed. The Sisters are jumping down and yelling at the Emperor the hardest so they get the lion share of his power.

BUT if a faithless person somehow managed to catch the attention of the Emperor, then he will gain access to the same kind of powers.

>>54048126
Werent they pretty tall anyways?

Barricades give you cover if you're being shot at by a unit that draws line of site over them.
RaW if an indirect weapon shoots at something behind a barricade and draws los to them, they get cover, but if its firing blind and can't draw los, do the get cover?

>>54048126
>wants primaris
>isn't a cuck
>choose one

>>54048127
>female orks are confirmed

>>54048134
>BUT if a faithless person somehow managed to catch the attention of the Emperor, then he will gain access to the same kind of powers.

So like Paul in the bible?

>>54048126
If you use primarine models but chaos marine rules I don't think anybody would have an issue. AL are known for having bigger marines after all.

>>54048159
Tournament players would.

is an all SM scout army viable in 8th?

>>54048127
All previous Ork codexes open with the many Imperil theories about Ork reproduction. All of them say that the spores thing is just a theory that's as valid as Orks dropping out from rifts from another dimension. It took thousands of years and late in the setting timeline for the wider Imperium confirm that Orks reproduce via spores,

>>54048169
What, because bigger models put you at a disadvantage ?

Feels weird that the Knight Porphyrion is a 795 point unit and the Warhound is a 1500 point unit when they have almost the same physical size.

>>54047286
Those things cost 209 points before war gear, my battle tank commanders cost 209 points total. The battle cannon and Lascannon combo is just good enough to do the job I find.

So I just concentrate fire until they hit 6 wounds. Riptides hitting on a 5+ or burning markerlights to hit in a 4+ do not scare me. Especially when Pask lets me pop smoke after shooting.

>>54048091
>my kabalite only uses venoms because fluff

>>54048048
I never said anything about balance...?

Can pistols fire into a combat that the unit isn't in?

>>54048068
End Times and AOS are not WHFB

AOS is definitely more fantastical, but that is because it is high fantasy. WHFB was more like low fantasy, though I don't think that classification exists.

>>54048215
Read the rules for pistols and you'll find out.

>>54048145
>RaW if an indirect weapon shoots at something behind a barricade and draws los to them, they get cover, but if its firing blind and can't draw los, do the get cover?
You are still shooting over the scenery piece, even if you ignore LOS

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>>54048201
Well, alternatively I have this!

Best way to outfit a 5 man Fallen squad? full Plasma?

The sheer amount of models other armies can field for 2k is intimidating

>>54048091
I'm not sure about the psuedo-deathstar. While DE got a harder to kill this edition they're still not that tough, and if that raider goes down you've got a high-priority targets walking.

Also, I like at least a blaster on my warrior squads, but I guess you ran out of points.

>>54048134
Again, we're playing semantics with the term faith now.

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>>54048220

So yes then! Thanks!

>>54048250
>but I guess you ran out of points.

Exactly.

I don't know I think I have enough high powered stuff in my army. My concern would be horde armies.

>>54048278
No, you stupid cunt. learn to read.

>>54048217
back to your containment thread shitlord

>>54048251
No, we are not.

>>54048301
Yes, we are.

My hands are shaking again.
Anyone has silly 40k lore to share in order to distract me?

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what is a good weapon to give a hellbrute, dont have enough points to fit a lascannon in. atm got ok anti infantry and anti tank, so either type is good

>>54048325
AUTOCANNONS

>>54048313
Once the changeling snuck a few nurglings on Khorne's throne when nobody was looking

It made quite the mess when he sat down

this is probably why Khorne hates magic

>>54048330
for reals b0ss?

>>54048052
I am thinking about doing some Poxwalker blobs, with Typhus and Necrosius

>>54048337
Ey b0ss

Them autocannons b0ss

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>>54048343
u run double cannons?

>you will never have a khornate sorcerer using the blood of his enemies to conjure bigger and bigger swords

>>54048313

At the end of the Age of Apostasy, when the Tyrant Ecclesiarch Gorge Vandire was put to the blade by Alicia Dominica, his last words were "I'm too busy to die!"

>>54048154
It's all fiction so anything could happen.

How good an idea is it to take a combimelta on my rhinos? Bumps up their price by a large amount, but makes it so i can drive-by enemy tanks, and if its transporting ten plague marines with four special weapons thats a respectable amount of dakka. I was thinking three rhinos full of plagues with special weapons (melta/plasma/blight launchers), a predator annihilator, two bloat drones, a lord in with all the plasma marines and a winged prince. This leaves me with around 200 points to bring a chaos contemptor or some such

>>54048339
Try that. It sounds like great fun. Maybe add some more Plaguemarines or something when you get bored of Poxwalkers and you have a sweet list.

>>54048217

Eh, WHFB was pretty high fantasy: Very prevalent magic, Bloodthirsters and Dragon riders and shit.

AoS is more like.... It doesn't really fit into normal fantasy categories because it's just kinda arbitrary shit happening in quasi-stable zones of reality in the warp. The world is gone, now people are trying to eke out a living in an unstable hellscape with just barely enough permanence you can build a town on an upside down sphere of platinum orbiting a sky dragon's arse and pretend for a few decades everything is okay.

>>54048377
AOS is just "It's magic, deal with it" : the setting.

>>54048313
Leman Russ was sent to Prospero to bring Magnus back to terra, so mags could control the Golden Throne while emps fixed the webway.
Instead he slaughtered the planet and broke magnus' back

>>54048377
>>54048394
>mfw it's pretty much MTG planeswalker setting
>mfw faggots actually like that setting but will shit on AoS for some reason

I don't understand the hate for AoS

>>54048375
Sounds good. Doesn't suffer -1 like other heavy weapons, is on a far more survivable platform compared to 7e and most importantly it can fire more than once.

>>54048376
That is the plan.
Plague caster
Pox Walkers
Plague Marines
Probably a Predator for some AV.

>>54048403
Fuck Russ and the Yiffs, guy is focused on fighting and killing yet is such a faggot that even Khorne doesn't want him as a champion

>>54048313
Rogal Dorn slept with a pelt that belonged to the man that raised him.

>>54047948

Sure it's valid but I don't want to stand around watching someone moving hundreds of models and rolling thousands of dice. It's a game not a spectator sport. That's all there is to it really.

>>54048403
Leman Russ is such a faggot that both loyalists and traitors hate him. Think about that.

>>54048423
Maybe a flier might add some mobility to the List, just in case.
Imagine a Heldrake, but all slimy.