Paizo Games General /pgg/

>>54035057
So like did you make this early so you could wait for page 7 or what's up?

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>>54035057
Oh hey I remember that character.

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Also more Oni. 'cuz.

>>54035131
Making threads via phone is hard

What's the general consensus on Giantslayer and Hell's Vengeance?

>>54035297
Hell's Vengeance: It's not bad, just not spectacular

Giantslayer: There's a dungeon that has a fight that is hundreds of fire giants, meant only to delay you. No RP whatsoever, but the combat and dungeons are something to take notes from.

Is there any fun ranged charaters? It just feels awfully bland to sit at range and either Searing Ray or Flurry of Bows/Rapid Shot attacks each and every single round without even really adapting... There must at least be some class that can do a bit more interesting stuff?

>>54035296
>SEagle struggles with phoneposting.mp4
https://youtu.be/dPFbi9ixkew

>>54035359

Archer fighter was pretty fun

>>54035297
Also, what's the best AP for shitheads who don't pay attention and are edgelords.

>>54035057
I Remember an Evocation Wizard i once Played. The Image i used was a Standard Black Mage Picture, which was fitting, seeing as he was an Evocation Specialist. Then the party forced him to get a new Wardrobe because A) they were sick and tired of him wearing the same Robes every day and Prestidigitationing them clean. so they forced him to wear a VERY flamboyant looking light lavender suit. needless to say he looked damn handsome with his red hair once the hat stopped hiding all of his face.

>>54035369
It just feels like Archers just stand there and do the same thing over and over...

>>54035370
Hell's Vengeance, probably.

>>54035383

Well archer fighters get to do combat manuvers at range

>>54035283
Is anyone using this? Or Is this just theoretical?

>>54035359
Hawkguard Warder

>>54035367
F

Keep us posted on the side story, bruv

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I got into an alignment based argument and it lead to nothing and now 2 days later it still bothers me and I feel frustrated

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>>54035265

>>54035421
What was the argument about? Maybe you just need to vent a bit

>>54035057

Anyone have a pdf of Everyman Unchained: fighter?

>>54035496
Can Good force people to change their ways and become good
Can Good to do war? Can Good conquest an Evil nation and force everyone to become Good or does that make it Evil somehow

>>54035527
Yes, yes, yes and no.

>>54035581
Why do you feel that way

>>54035527
>Can Good force people to change their ways and become good
Alignment isn't religion. You cant force people to become Good unless it's mind rape, which isn't Good. You can outlaw evil practices.
>Can Good to do war?
Yes
>? Can Good conquest an Evil nation and force everyone to become Good
No because that's not practical. Everyone in an "Evil" nation isn't evil just as everyone in a "Good" nation isn't good. Even in some lalaland where that is the case see the above statement.

Changing alignment, espcially from Evil to Good is a really long drawn out process that the person doing the changing needs to actually WANT.

>>54035595
Alignment is cultural
New regime could start settle a new culture into the conquered kingdom to change it

>>54035616
>Alignment is cultural
No it's not.

>>54035505

Any reason why you want anything from Aguanus?

>>54035592
Because funny thing about Pathfinder's alignment system is that it is governed by the Paizo pantheon. There are concrete definitions of good and evil, those being the alignment based outsiders. Anything an angel can do without falling is good, anything a demon can do without....ascending(?) is C and E. Anything a protean does is purple monkey dishwasher.

>>54035527
Coercion is not necessarily good, but if it's not causing harm or putting the person under unreasonable duress, it isn't evil. Depends on how you define "force."

Yes, Good can go to war, it's part of being good that you don't stand for evil.

You can have Good nations conquering evil, but most times the Good option would be to liberate it and give it back to its own people after tearing down the evil regime that rules them. You can't "force everyone to become Good," simply because that's neither feasible nor necessary. Most people will be some flavor of Neutral, and to try and stage some mass inquisition to ensure nobody's Evil would be madness--a waste of resources, a crusade that would only alienate the liberated subjects, and it's basically just this side of Evil already to use such tactics to enforce Good.

What Good armies would actually do is probably be kind to the people they've just liberated, start helping them rebuild and improve their standards of living, and set a good example. That's how you bring about alignment change on a large scale.

>>54035627
Is it good to let an idiot make self destructive decisions?

>>54035627
Of course it is.
Or how do you think in evil nations or good nations people end up growing up to match alignments

>>54035649
Not comparable.

The actions of an individual isn't a culture. Culture's can have good and evil practices, but don't have alignments themselves. Only those that engage in those various practices.

>>54035630

It's a straight upgrade to the Fighter. And I lost mine.

>Walk into thread
>Onryouposting
>Alignment arguments
>Walk out of thread

>>54035663
>evil nations or good nations people end up growing up to match alignments
They don't. Every single person in a "good" nation or an "evil" nation doesn't have the same alignment. Most people grow to be neutral regardless of where they come from. The alignment of nations has more to do with who's in charge if anything.

>>54035686
Cultures have different expectations of whether you allow the idiot to do that though

>>54035057
>still /pgg/ when there is /sfg
For what purpose?

>>54035731
Fuck off, /pfg/ autist. Nobody gives a shit about the name of the general except you and /pgg/ autist.

>>54035731
To trigger your autism.

>>54035731
Lewd game faggots want to erase our proud history of /pfg/.

What's a good build for a cute oracle? What's the cutest curse? What's the cutest Mystery?

>>54035702
Leaders inadvertently affect their subjects
If not the poorest, then the elite atleast

>>54035750
Fuck you, Kawase. As a proud lewdster, I've always stuck by the /pfg/ name.

>>54035774
I'm not whoever that is. I've been an anon, through and through.

>>54035753
Max charisma backline support with the Lame curse and Lore Mystery. Be princess-carried while you give advice to your friends and buff them up.

>>54035753
Spirit Guide Life Oracle. Lame Mystery. Be the Cute White Mage that everyone wants to protect!

>been running a PF game for just over a year
>far from my longest campaign
>six players so as to include our entire group
>start out with pretty standard cultist storyline
>only character who actually does anything, has broke-ass 26 AC at level 1, by level 4 he has over 60 hp, AC in the 30s, and +7-10 on all saves
>is a fucking SWASHBUCKLER
>and armiger which I shouldn't have allowed
>realize part way through campaign I shouldn't have allowed any of the 3rd party shit I allowed
>swashbuckler finally dies after running into an orc camp singlehandedly and derailing the entire session as he ran through the woods fighting defensviely
>his death was a mistake because I forgot wraith drain had a Fort save after he tried to hide in a temple and got attacked
>rest of party literally yells at me to kill him while he is running around and tell me to stop being a pussy DM
>kineticist abuses telekinesis to blast open doors at will, destroy buildings, all because "can lift muh 4000 pounds"
>kineticist dealing metric fuckton of damage is actually derailing campaign because I went for "muh story" instead of tailoring CR 8 encounters to them constantly
>witch wants the healing achievement feat (heal 1000 hp to get Maximize Spell on healing forever)
>kineticist hides in rafters of tavern with a 32 Stealth check and starts stabbing people with telekinetic daggers
>witch runs around healing them
>character who owns tavern ends up losing tons of money but doesn't do much about it
>characters rape every encounter of their level, then whine when they go up against a level 12 that they insisted on fighting despite hints not to
>complain about CR > them despite there being 6 of them, and well optimized
>the replacement for the swashbuckler is some cavalier archetype that can aid another for +7 or some shit, giving other characters like 30 AC and + a shitton on saves (Bodyguard feat I think?)
>at this point just want to railroad a TPK into them and restart

>>54035805
You're retarded.

>>54035851
I know, but at this point the pile of my mistakes is so high I just want to wipe out the whole thing and start over. I didn't even cover half of my other mistakes.

>decided I would design an entire setting before even starting the campaign
>now am locked into this shit where I don't want to contradict setting material I already wrote so I can't do much interesting
>whole setting feels boring
>allowed pretty much anything the characters wanted to play
>one character wanted to be a LITERAL DRAAGON XD XD
>another wanted some homebrew race
>finally I ban 3rd party shit
>doesn't matter because they still build broken from shit from 9 different books
>takes me half an hour to look up how their abilities work because they abuse the fuck out of them and don't read the rules
>build an armored wagon and there is really nothing short of Shatter or Disintegrate that can do anything to it because they murder anything that gets close
>and if I tailor attacks against them they get salty that I am "trying to kill them"
>want a way to subtly TPK them, considering a swarm of incorporeal undead but all their touch attacks have saves which get boosted to fuck-huge levels by the dwarf cavalier who isn't even a cavalier

>>54035927
Sounds like you and your group deserve each other.

>>54035505
>>54035691


You'll be pleased to know that the product was improved.

>>54035927
>>54035927
No, you're retarded and not for the reasons you think.

Go play 5e, you'll be happier with that game.

>>54035753
Heavens mystery lame oracle who has to rely on others to travel and just wants to fly in the sky, not bound their crippling injury.

>>54035957
>Go play 5e, you'll be happier with that game.
I was just about to recommend the same. It's a much better system for people who can't be bothered to read the rules.

>>54035989
Literally Sky Raker

>>54036000
I don't see a problem with that.

>>54035957
Explain why.

>>54035997
I read the rules, the PLAYERS won't and I finally got sick of arguing with them, and sick of reading their latest epik character's abilities.

>>54035944
Sounds like you're a nigger.

>>54036011
Fuuko is cute! CUTE!

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So I'm talking about my Relic Users subsystem again. I am looking through relics, there are 25 (added another three since yesterday). Relics are meant to be packages of thematic powers that a character can focus themselves around.

Now what I am asking is what archetypical relics/artifacts/etc. should exist that aren't covered under these? Any you as a player would like to see? The current list is:
>dagger
>club
>bow
>shield
>armor
>blade
>spear
>candle
>cloak
>chalice
>pendant
>cauldron
>skull
>bone
>saddle
>idol
>tome
>gem
>drum
>horn
>sack
>spyglass
>crown
>veil
>banner

All relics are defined by a primary and secondary role. For example cloak is:
>Primary: Espionage Utility
>Secondary: Personal Defense

This unfortunately means there isn't a huge amount of design space. I can explain the primary and secondary role of anything you guys want to know more about.

>>54036037
Yeah, you and you're group deserve the fuck out of each other.

/pfg/ give me the lowdown on the Augmented Blade archetype for Soulknife. How bad is it? I like the idea of using the psycrystal as a psuedo-intelligent item, but I don't want to have a really shit class.

>>54035753
>dual cursed Clouded Vision + Deaf.
>gain a familiar & improved familiar for something w/ telepathy
>solar mystery
Shine like the sun.

>>54035750
>proud history
>HEY GUYS HERES THE LATEST UPDATE OF THE LOTLK FLUFFY TAIL LEWD GAME!
>UNF I WANNA FUG DRAKANIA!
>JAR OF PISS!
>*autistic buildposter screeching*
>Futa Tiefling Psycho Rangers
>Lammashtu Bloodborne
>Demother's mask meming
>shota blinkling shitposting
>"I wanna marry a Drow!"
>overPoWered bingo
>pregnant kitsune OP
Sure, such a proud history we have

>>54036070
Except I don't powergame, so not really. Though I admit I pretty thoroughly fucked up this campaign. I am probably going to introduce a deck of many things in the place they are going, which they probably won't even recognize but if they draw from it, it will change up the campaign one way or another.

>>54036103
Man, at least most people recognize why they're shit.

Fuck off. Go play 5e. Or better yet, kill yourself.

>>54036103
>He uses the term "Powergame"
>>/r/pathfinder_rpg

aaaaaaaa DHB

>>54036115
Why am I shit then?

>Fuck off
Nah. Not til you explain why.

>>54036127
>haha he used slang i don't like that means he's wrong
Typical retard-level argument.

>>54036103
>deck of many things
kys. If you can't even control your players and your campaign as it is now with mostly shitty classes, then you need to stop DMing period.

Also, you should've let the swasbuckler fuck die, he deserves to suffer the consequencse

>>54036095
>glowing Helen Keller with a magical devil pet

Sounds cute

>>54036141
>If you can't even control your players and your campaign as it is now with mostly shitty classes, then you need to stop DMing period.

I can, but not without tailoring shit to their weaknesses, and that shit does not exist in the part of the world they are in. Why should I have to change up what is in the world just to BTFO them?

>Also, you should've let the swasbuckler fuck die, he deserves to suffer the consequencse

I did, he wasn't supposed to, though. That was the one and only time I actually fucked up on the rules, so really he might have lived, because that character had ZERO weaknesses.

>>54036136
Faggot

>>54036100
I miss Drowanon

>>54036103
>unironically saying"powergame"
>about players who don't even read the fucking rules

if your players are such lazy fags that they don't know their own characters inside and out IN ADDITION to any and all applicable rules, then they're just shit players.

>>54036151
I normally choose Sin Seeker. A magic flying micropig that makes it hard for people to lie to you.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/sin-seeker/

Gotta find ALL the sin.

>>54036166
>if your players are such lazy fags that they don't know their own characters inside and out IN ADDITION to any and all applicable rules, then they're just shit players.

They do, though, and they know a lot of the rules. They just abuse them and go on for hours arguing whether a locked door counts as an "object" and throwing their rule-of-cool mindset in my face, despite the fact that I let them pull all kinds of bullshit.

>>54036161
Shutup nigger

>>54036151
If Cards Against Humanity has taught us anything, its that Helen Keller is always the right answer

>>54036157
>swashbuckler
>zero weaknesses
Come back once you actually learn how to play the damned game. Swashbuckler is literally the weakest class outside of the Core Monk and Rogue.

Also, if neither you nor your players are willing to read and understand the rules of the game, you need to stop playin such a complicated game and switch to something rules-lite, since none of you seem to be able to handle PF

>>54036136
>wahhh the Swashbuckler and the Kineticist, the LITERAL worst two classes in the game, are overpowered
>These players are POWERGAMERZ!!1!
>They don't even read the rules tho

If I didn't think you were baiting i would be severely disappointed

>>54036170
And playing in full-miracle worker mode doesn't get too obnoxious?

>>54036186
>Come back once you actually learn how to play the damned game. Swashbuckler is literally the weakest class outside of the Core Monk and Rogue.

He had multiclass with Armiger, some 3rd party bullshit I shouldn't have allowed. He had AC of 25+ constantly, saves were all at least +6, in fact he usually had +13, he had shitton of Panache points he could do more bullshit with, and at least 60 hp. he was level 4, too. Outside of some ridiculously above-level shit, or a bunch of wizards spamming sleep, there wasn't much that wouldn't have sounded like complete bullshit.

>>54036190
Except the kineticist deals like 40-50 damage per round with good Dex to make up for shit BAB. Pretty much nothing lasts more than 1 round against that.

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>>54036182
>says his players abuse the fuck out of stuff and don't read the rules
>"but they know a lot of the rules"

Ah, I see, my mistake, I see where I went wrong.

>>54036186
>If Cards Against Humanity has taught us anything
No.

>>54036062
Mirror, ring, doll which I think is distinct enough from an idol, urn, scepter, cloth.

>>54036212
At first I thought this was an elaborate ruse but now there's way too much effort going into it to be. I'm curious what kind of fuck up leads to a Swashbuckler with all this shit.

>>54036235
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/armiger/

This was where I fucked up. He stacked it with Swashbuckler and had fucktons of HP, his only weak save was reflex and even that was a +5 cause he had 20 Dex and he had shitloads of hp from 18 Con.

Fuck it. Next time I am doing core-only with point-buy, I am sick of this shit.

>>54036222
>Mirror,
Mirror is one I have been having a hard time separating from sack not thematically but mechanically. I want to add it though.

>ring,
I should add it, though it might be rolled into a generic jewelry one with Gem.

>doll which I think is distinct enough from an idol,
I can see this, yes. Doll should be added.

>urn,
I am unsure how to make this mechanically unique from Chalice and Cauldron.

>scepter,
I have been meaning to add a staff/scepter/etc. one. This should be added.

>cloth.
I am unsure how to make this mechanically unique from Veil and Cloak.

These are all ones I have at least considered but I am struggling with the relatively small design space. In this idea Urn would be one of the alternate forms of cauldron, like how Saddle can be Reigns or a Riding Crop and Candle can be a Lantern or Torch.

>>54036276
>rolled stats
Never ever. Did you do any research at all into how to DM before you started this campaign?

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>>54036276
>he doesn't screen the 3pp content
>wonders why he has a problem
>decides to go core only, removing one of the only enjoyable parts of this shitty game

if you're gonna do that just use 5e, at least that game pretends to function properly with core

>>54036276
>Rolling stats
This is starting to make a lot of sense.

>>54036296
Not him, but rolled stats can be fun. I had players go through a meat grinder for two sessions to see who survived a siege they were on the wrong side of. Random stats and lots of their friends dying/getting injured to build their small band of survivors. Each time they died or got injured to the point they couldn't man the walls they rolled up a new guy. All level 1, rolled stats in order and assigned a class, spent 4-5 minutes writing a 2-3 sentence back story.

Had a great time, built a fun ragged band.

>>54036182
>nigger nigger nigger
>Hi.I'm.from.reddit.and.this.is.my.first.day.on.4chan.wav

Asking for reviewanons at this stage might be too much, but can we get a quick rundown on all the Ensoulment apps one last time?

>>54036368
Three days left and I'm sure there'll be last minute apps. Just wait until it closes before we round up and start predicting.

>>54036212
>He had multiclass with Armiger, some 3rd party bullshit I shouldn't have allowed.
>Level 4 with a multiclass,
>Actually being good with damage and stuff
>actually having high panache and pretending it maters despite only being limited to one Swift/Immediate action per round
Granted I don't know what the Armiger is, but consider he probably only has at most 1 level of a dip into it with a level 4 chaacte, I doubt its any good, unless you're an idiot who doesn't understand how muliclassing works.

Also, literally 2-3 Raging Orc Barbarians of around the same level with Power Attack should be able to ill him. Hell, most Barbarians are able to 1shot an enemy of their CR+1

Honestly, this whole thing speaks of cheating and fudging rules, and your player possibly taking advantage of the fact that you don't know enough about the game o correct him. And considering you're the DM you probably have no business runing the game if you have no idea what you're doing.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/armiger/
I see nothing here with particularly abusable abilities, especialy anything that would be limited to level for and hving at least 1 swashbuckler level. Hell, This is basically just a Fighter with AAT through a feet and Mobile Stronghold and a tower shield. If you can't even handle a competantly made fighter equivilent, then you have no business DMing.

Seriously, anyone could make a Core Barbarian that could give the character you're describing a swirly.

Also

>core-only
Nigga, Core is the MOST imbalanced way to play 1pp Pathfinder. I hope you enjoy most people being useless while Caster twist the narrative around thir fings, and the only martial builds being either Multi-arrow masturbation and raging Barbarians with Pwer Attack and reatswords.

Also, with your kineticist, did you make sure to keep track of their burn? Or d you not even bother to read how that class works either?

Also, FUCKING SCREEN YOUR 3PP YOU DUMBASS!

>>54036389
This. Picks are going to be made Saturday evening at the earliest, that gives us plenty of time to speculate.

Other than Ensoulmeme, are there any pfg games accepting homebrew? Specifically Vult's fey healer?

>>54036062
>>54036222
Revised Preliminary List:
>armor
>banner
>blade
>bone
>bow
>candle
>cauldron
>chalice
>cloak
>club
>crown
>dagger
>doll
>drum
>gem
>horn
>idol
>mirror
>pendant
>ring
>sack
>saddle
>scepter
>shield
>skull
>spear
>spyglass
>tome
>veil

Cloth is contained in Cloak & Vein, Urn is an alternate version of Cauldron.

Is there a way for the Shaman to poach Druid spells? I know they can get Wizard and Cleric with Lore spirit and favored class bonuses, but I'm wondering if they can be the ultimate caster

>>54035350
>phoneposting prepared threads
>preparing new threads in advance just to be the first to post new thread
>phoneposting
>trying to play it off as buttposting
As if we needed additional confirmation that you're legitimately fucking autistic that just cannot help being a cancerous faggot.

>>54037064
Its the sort of thing that happens when sitting in a lecture on the classification of soil

>>54037064
Still assblasted that he closed Dragons 2 apps early, I see.

>>54037064
why do we have 3 threads?

>>54037132
That's the previous thread my dude

>>54037120
It is really obnoxious how he keeps posting his shit everywhere. This is coming from somebody who never applied to Dragons 1 or 2.

>>54037145
Where else has he been posting this shit?

When the GM introduces custom weapons that upstage others of its type while also being a usable option for you: Do you go for it, possibly doing some retraining if possible, or stick to your guns?

>>54037159
Does it make sense for your character to have an interest in this weapon?

>>54037120
The circumstances behind Dragons 2 closing early never fail to elicit a giggle from me. Truly the finest of memes.

>>54037118

What determines topsoil color?

>>54037214
Rip in piss, memecat

>>54035359
I would love an arcane ranger/arcane archer that doesn't suck, but I will never see it.

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>>54037245
F

>>54037219
Precipitation, heat and chemical erosion

>>54036805
As far as I'm aware, no.

>>54037255
>tfw no memecat, memedog, memerat
>tfw no ANIMAL HOUSE

>>54037256
YOU FORGOT HUMMUS CONCENTRATION!
No go outside and collect me 50 ped cores for dry mass calculation!

>>54037297
>>54037297
damn it this will take all day

>>54037214
Schadenfreude is a cruel emotion anon

Is there a way to delete stuff from your Roll20 library?

>>54036093
any help?

>>54037315
Such is life for a pedologist.
Hence why I only ever dabbled in it, and decided to be an ecologist instead.
I don't eveny you man. I remember my time in Intro Soil Science, I learned awhole lot, but it was still hard as nails, though the professor was nice enough though the TA was a real pain.

>>54037120
Missattributed, or are you just retarded? Both?

>>54037402
What's your take on this?
>udan-adan.blogspot.com/2016/04/your-demon-lord-doesnt-need-that-many.html
Summary:
>Remember Lolth, spider-goddess of the drow? When Sutherland and Gygax wrote Queen of the Demonweb Pits in 1980, their assumption was that she would be a tough but not impossible boss-fight for a party of level 10-14 characters. How about Tiamat, mother-goddess of all evil dragons? According to the AD&D 1st edition monster manual, she has AC 0 and 128 HP, although 80 of those are 'in' her various heads: doing 48 damage directly to her body will kill her outright. (You don't even need magical weapons to hit her!) Orcus? 120 hit points. Asmodeus and Demogorgon? 199 and 200 HP respectively. Yes, they're crazily powerful, and, yes, they're quite capable of killing your PCs: but they still clearly exist on the same scale as trolls and giants and dinosaurs and high-level player characters.

>As much as D&D PCs have been boosted over the years, their top-end foes - dragons, demons, demon lords - have been boosted even more. High age-category dragons, for example, have gone from 'a bit tougher than a giant' to gigantic mega-monsters with completely surreal numbers of hit points. In AD&D 1st edition, the maximum number of hit points for a regular goblin was 7, whereas in D&D 3.5 it had risen to 9: but over the same time, the maximum HP for a red dragon of the largest size had risen from 88 to 880, meaning that the toughness of the dragon had increased roughly eight times as fast as that of the goblin

>A demonic sadist with the head of a dove, who eats the eyes of his victims, makes minions made from their flayed corpses, and lives in a house in which every room contains some new tableau of the macabre? That's great! Stick him and his horrible skinless minions and his horrible creepy house in a hex somewhere right away! But wait: he's 'challenge rating' 26, meaning that only a party of level 25+ characters would have a decent chance of beating him
(1/2)

>>54037857
>>54037402
Didn't mean to quote you lol, sorry

>In the original Conan stories, the hero can't seem to manage a half-hour's walk without tripping over some benighted valley full of crazy demon-worshippers revering a monster-god from before time. These stories almost always end with Conan stabbing the beastie to death and wandering off. That's not because Conan is a super-duper-high-level-mega-ultra-badass fantasy superhero: it's because the demonic god-monsters in his world just aren't all that tough. Early D&D reflected that sensibility, and I think it was the stronger for it, because it makes the resulting monsters - dragons, demons, archdevils, and the rest - so much easier to use in actual play. There is a place in games for enormously, unbeatably powerful monsters, but it's quite a small place, and you're unlikely to need very many of them in any one campaign

>>54037332
Cats are assholes, anon

Did an Ensoulment app just get deleted?

>>54036403
>And considering you're the DM you probably have no business runing the game if you have no idea what you're doing.

I do now. Play core only so I at least know their abilities. Also. No one else in the group can run a game for shit, excuse me if I havent memorized every fuckin splat book. I know the core rules.

>>54036093
Is good, basically a stronger fighter with a scaling weapon. You also get access to AWT, which is pretty awesome.

>>54037979
I don't think so.

>>54038018
what makes AWT so good?

>>54037996
>I know the core rules.
Apparently not if you think that shitty armiger is anything special. Its literaly just a slightly less shit Fighter with some options, andconsidering Core Fighter is a Tier 5 trash heap that's only marginaly better than Core Rogue and Monk, that's not saying much.

Hell, Swashbuckelrs are generally considered WEAKER than Core Fighters. If you have a hard time with an MC of those two classes, which considering their focuses seem to favor opposed playstyles, then you probably don't know Core well either. Likewise Kineticist also drags considerably behind the fucking Fighter with a bow in terms of damage and usability, and only have minor utility as their one redeeming feature

plus Core is just as, if not moreso, horribly unbalanced as a lot of 3pp options. Hell, most people here tend to FAVOR 3pp options and splats for the purpose of making the game more balanced. The most balanced product from 1pp really is the Advanced Player's Guide, mostly because it has quite a few decent classes like Alchemist and Inquisitor, though Cavalier is mostly a trashpile.

I'm sorry, but you claim to know this game, but you keep making it clear you have no idea about anything concerning this damned game. Again, please leave the horrible, unbalanced and convoluted mess of an Ivory Tower that is Pathfinder, and please for the love of god switch to a simpler system like 5e or 4e or something.

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>>54037996
>enforcing core
>he's gonna force people to use core monk and rogue rather than unchained

>>54038105
You can cover extra skills, get access to magic abilities, and otherwise expand the Fighter's versatility and influence (both in terms of combat and narrative).

>>54038105
>Iron Casting (although you kind of get that with some blade skills, it remains a strongly flexible pick)
>More skill ranks
>Significatively improved damage for kukri TWF (or any other build with a 1d4 or 1d6 weapon)
Etc etc

Have you ever realized your character's name was incredibly on the nose only after you'd joined a game?

I just realized that one of my PCs basically has a first name meaning "lord" and a surname that matches his armor.

>>54038294
>surname that matches his armor.
what

>>54038294
I found out after I came up with the name and consulted the DM. He made a joke that I had accidentally made a Persona 3 reference (I never even played a single Persona or SMT game), then told me to keep it to see if the other players notice it.

>>54038318
Maybe his surname was Bascinet? I know its a sexy piece of armor that I think would make a cool surname

>>54038210
inb4 WAAAAH UNCHAINED IS HOMEBREW

>>54038318
Lord Full-Plate.

>>54038371
Even though Unchained Rogue is arguably more core than Rogue itself. if only because it's ACTUALLY USABLE.

>>54038318
The color, not the style.

>>54038318
Laird Chainmail, I presume.

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More adventurers need to wear Sallets. Its te perfect helm for a life of adventure and unexpected encounters!

>>54038371
Fuck I forget, what was that one guy about?

>>54038444
Trips confirm, >>54038294's character is now named Laird Chainmail.

>>54036100
I'll have you know I ran two of those things outside of /pfg/ and they both went swell.

How does one make a master of full plate armour?

>>54038749
Practice cartwheels and somersaults. Learn how to change clothes quickly. Make sure not to gain weight and have a healthy mix of muscle and fat

>>54038294
I usually do anagrams of phrases and add in letters to mask them

>>54038456
A dwarven boulder helmet is the only mundane one that gives any benefits of note. Can also be used for headbutting and bullrushing aside from extra crit ac.

Due to Tuvarkz crashing the Ladyknight stockmarket, what will be the next meme we will invest in?

>>54039944

muscle girls

Adventurer's Armory 2 is out tomorrow. I've heard PDFs are already floating around, though, and of course people already have prints. Anyone manage to take a look at the book yet? Our session just got its first extended downtime in months and I need me some gear.

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>>54039944

Titty vikings!

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>>54039944
Personally I need more starfinder robots. Especially monstrous robots/cyborgs

>>54039944
Assassins

>>54039981
>>54039996
>>54040064
How about muscly titty vikings who often take jobs and careers as hardened assassins?

Something like Rule 63 Askeladd?

>>54040016
But why

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>>54039944
Mage girls. Divine or arcane is the real question. I might have my biases already though

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>>54040016
Not sure if I have any monsterbots, how about this robot that can be used as an Abadarcorp Security bot?

>>54040111

400 ML per second is enough to drain you dry in under 20 seconds. How cool is that? Science + monsters + factoids!

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>>54040113
I say divine, so we can have ladypopes and magical nuns to punch
SPELL SUNDER BITCH!

>>54039944
bara-barians to cash in on the upcoming orc weapons

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>>54039944
Fluid druids

>>54040228
>Not playing 19 STR slender anime boys

Is anyone having problems getting into the pathfinder trove? https://mega.nz/#F!nE0hGIRL!gOFNKfhyFfoLeuJEWzl51g!ON9DxCLY

>>54040255
I think the term you're looking for is shonen protagonist.

>>54040113
No love for psychic waifus? You don't want a gril that can dive into your mindscape and become closer to you than any other ever could? A literal union of body and mind, as it were.

>>54040184
Do you enjoy seeing men beat your waifu, Anon? You might need help.

>>54040016
>>54040134
For what purpose? Why would a robot need to drain blood? Why would a robot need to drain THAT MUCH blood? I can only assume this was built by an evil space wizard who needs human blood but can't be bothered to go rob the local Red Cross Donation Center.

>>54040282
Yeah, it's cycling between the load screen and requesting access over and over.

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>>54040129
That's not nearly gold enough.

>>54040391
Space horror. And efficiency. Also cyborg vampires.

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>>54039944
>crashing the Ladyknight stockmarket

>>54040468
It was a classic pump and dump, anon.

>>54040457
Too much gold is uneconomical, especially when there are more plentiful substitutes that exist.
The Lord of the Market favors those who are frugal, and don't perform unneeded extravagance

>>54040087
I would cum buckets

>>54040113
Your tastes are shit, nobody wants a haughty and smug priestess for a waifu. Wizard girls, though... There's a smile I'd want to protect. Plus you can do power play by swiping their bonded object.

>>54040457
>blingmakerBBEG.png

>>54040457
This picture makes me sad that gold is so garbage for weapons and armor.

It also makes me wanna write up some supergold special material.

Which WotR ladyknight's smile is in most dire need of protecting?

>>54040684
Sorta like the special metal hardening goo that was a plot point/Mcguffin for Power Rangers SPD?

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>>54040391
>Do you enjoy seeing men beat your waifu, Anon? You might need help

I prefer to do the beating myself.

How has your character hurt their crush lately?

>>54040707

None, Anon. A true knight is fully capable of protecting her own smile.

>>54040707
Tyras'

>>54040709
Pooooossibly?

Only question is if I wanna make it like, some kinda advanced metallurgical process, or make it like, Solar Gold or something. Magic stuff.

>>54040728
>reaction to getting his is not IT'S NOTHING

>>54040728
Fuck that question, fuck that whole concept, and fuck you for bringing it up.

>>54035927
PhB, source boojs, player companion. Nothing tgird party, no exceptions. No third party classes, weapons, items or feats. They don't like it, they leave.

I have run campaigns from start to end just fine with those rules in place. If someone wants to cheese PF they dont fucking need third party shit.

>>54040391
>Do you enjoy seeing men beat your waifu, Anon?
Who said anything about it being my waifu? I just like to punch evil mages and casters.

Mine are the fists of justice, and they shall break through the illusions of evil!

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>>54040728
>mfw everything about that image
>mfw you're forcing me to remember how bad that game was

what's the class/archetype of choice for someone who wants to play a willy wonka knockoff?

>>54041072
Psion / Thrallherd.

someone redpill me on DHB's martials, which is the best archetype for each? Which is the worst? Hound master seems pretty cool desu.

>>54040707

>tfw no one likes my character enough to even notice her

Ennui is really settling in.

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>>54041072
Witch:Gingerbread Witch.
Now, its time to introduce your party members to a world of pure imagination

>>54041072
>>54041207
Don't forget to add Brewkeeper so you can make fizzy-lifitng drinks

>>54041159
If it's any consolation, Morena is an alright character, but you fucked up your chances with the bullshit you tried to pull self-shilling Mouse.

>>54041072
alchemist could make an entertaining chocolatier
use the Vivisectionist archetype's Torturous Transformation to build your army of umpa-lumpas

>>54041221

>not even the right character
>not even a mouse

I should just delete it

>>54041245
Don't delete your character, Anon. Leave them out there and let the dice fall where they may. Think about the how and the why that led to this outcome. Become better. I believe in you, Anon! With practice, you will get better!

>>54040633
Once you have asteroid mining going, you immediately nuke all those concerns. There is probably more material wealth in one small asteroid than there is on Earth/ Golarion.

>>54041221
I don't think that's Halae, dude, because that's not me.

Besides, the "Self-shilling" is a meme.

>>54041266
not totally true, particularly on golarion where you get areas of power with adamantine and shit, but you're correct in that asteroid mining is generally just a better plan.

>>54040707
The Rahaoumi girl; worshiping Iomedae unironically is a clear sign of madness.

Is it just me or has this thread gone slower since the separation?

>>54041406
Golarion is gone in Starfinder anyway, so they don't have a choice.

Of course, you've just given me an idea for a quest reward. After doing a job on a Space mining facility, everyone gets rewarded by getting a piece of equipment bling'ed out

>>54041835
Yes, because the shitposters moved over to complain about "muh SJW issues, no white men, furries waaaah be mad give me (yous)".

Literally.

What ever happened to that guy who was playing an Ulfen guard for a Qadiran princess? Is he still alive?

>>54041897
I think we came up with the solution to appease those folks after some fun posting made us realize Paizo's trick:

The Shirren are the Space Americans. If you value hard work, charity, and your right to blast/save lives while raising your children, you take the Insects.


The 'Humans' on Absalom station might be the tiny race from The Legacyverse, since large deities constantly come in to bail them out of trouble and they have weird cultural norms that just shouldn't work unless they had a patron or two or three holding their hand

>>54041072

Witch (Gingerbread Witch) who worships Folca.

So obviously as a DM I can do just about whatever I want with my creatures, but is there any kind of preset filter I can give to an inherently magical creature like, say, a Dragon, that will change its spells to something more befitting a theme or alternative class of casting?

>>54038210
unchained monk and rogue would be allowed.

that's it though.

>>54040707

What qualifies smile protecting? Do you want to protect the smile of the girl who is the weakest?

>>54042391
Sometimes. In the end, you want to support the one who you admire the most, regardless of her personal strength or actual qualities.

For example, she might be a bad girl type, or a genuinely bad person, but the way she smirks at you or trades verbal barbs with you makes you want to fight for her.

>>54042391
Protecting a smile does not require the smile to be on someone that's weak. Many smiles can be found on strong, tough girls with hardened wills and stoic demeanors. What it means to protect a smile is to give them a reason to smile, and to continue that smile. Therefore, which character do you think has the greatest need to smile, and have that smile sustained through continued happiness?

I'd say the Rahadoumi, for hers was a lifetime of hardship and ostracization.

I'm extremely anxious about the next few sessions if my game. We are soon going to be heading back to my home country, which I am considered a heretic and fugitive in, and last I left there was a full blown zombie apocalypse going on. Also my party members don't know this or that I can control undead.

>>54042418
Work on your Fluffy Tail app, Sleep. I expect a hotblooded fox swordsman by the weekend.

>>54042418
>>54042457

So "Protect her smile" is just "Is my waifu"

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Whelp just found out today that after the recent flash flood and the rise and fall of ou seasonal pond, that a common visiter to our property has moved in as a full tenant.

This leads me to a question /p__/eople. When was the last time your party ever dealt with any trickster spirits/gods/fae, and what was the experience like? How do you tend to portray your tricksters, guardian spirits, bound land gods, and the like?

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>>54042529
I wonder how off-tone it would be if he's a fox swordsman known for murdering priests, conning noblemen, and blinding small children?

I want to jump into running an adventure path. What does /pgg/ recommend? Also, can APs be mixed and matched from part to part?

>>54042345
9th level casters are still going to be a problem, especially if you're retarded enough that you still think that Swashbucklers and Kineticists are breaking your game.

>>54042635
>What does /pgg/ recommend?

Rise of the Runelords, Curse of the Crimson Throne, Giantslayer, Jade Regent, Reign of Winter and Skulls and Shackles.

>Also, can APs be mixed and matched from part to part?

Absolutely! The first book of Rise of the Runelords (Burnt Offerings) is considered mandatory before playing Jade Regent, just so you grow attached to the characters involved. The first book of Serpent's Skull also lends to shifting into the piracy of Skulls and Shackles.

>>54042635
Anon, without realizing it that second question may be dangerous to ask here.

As for good AP, depends on what you want. Rise of the Runelords is pretty good, as is Reign of Winter. If you gut out the Relationship mechanic, Jade Regeant can also be fun, and if your party just wants to kill things then Giantslayer might scratch that itch from books 2 onward.

I hear Serpent's Skull also works as well. As well as Iron Gods. If you can gut out an replace the kingdom building mechanics of Kingmaker as well wth something else, that can work as well.

>>54042231
You could change it's spells. Those aren't at will spell like abilities - Dragons are sorcerers and can select their spells (and the ones PF devs choose are hardly useful, much less optimal). note that some (red, gold) can chose from clerical lists as well as sorcerer lists.

>>54042457
Indeed it's often the strongest characters that need their smiles protected most.

>>54042607
Heh, it would certainly be worth a chuckle. I think you'd have to take liberties with Reynard to get accepted, but it's a good meme app, right up there with a Disney's Robin Hood app.

>>54042607

Man, I want to go on adventures with a douchey fox swordsman.

>>54042728
Okay so that's already something that they're capable of doing regardless, got it. That said, I don't suppose there's a quicklist of spells I could slap together anywhere, or will I have to still do that myself?

>>54042607
What if he's known for that but doesn't actually do it?

>>54042839
>What if he's known for that but doesn't actually do it?
I'd basically be typecasting myself, but that could be a thing.

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>>54042738
You have my bow.

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Shardwalkers Undead Side had their first session tonight. Formerly Magic Side, after TPKing to a Necropirate, they've been raised as undead to help fill out their ship's crew!
Logs: https://pastebin.com/0x5sG0vP

>Magic Side "wakes" as Undead Side in a bunk room of a ship.
>Aoife, Blossom, and Yukiko find a set of crew uniforms in their lockers.
>Tally finds her soulgem, which she realizes is her real "self".
>There's a scritching on the walls that freaks Blossom out a bit as they get dressed.
>Aoife refuses to put any clothes on, being a plant.
>Tally takes a second to realize how to manifest her Lich-Maiden's gown.
>As a result, cute halfling shota boy gets an eyeful when Aoife opens the door.
>Cute halfling shota boy is a porter, and also a necropolitan
>Cute halfling shota boy does his best to answer their questions, doesn't even blink when they start bandying about the idea of killing people aboard the ship.
>Gives them their new jobs aboard the ship.
>Party asks cute halfling shota boy why they should do the jobs.
>"Better than sitting around all day!"
>Party asks cute halfling shota boy where the exit is.
>"Top floor, but its sealed off because we're in the Black!"
>Blossom freaks out when she realizes they probably failed to save the sheriff.
>Party asks what happens if they refuse.
>With a thousand yard stare: "They'll put you in the box. The box does not judge your tears, or care for your screams. It only hates."
>Aoife ends up working for a Botanist who is a new age hippy stoner.
>Blossom ends up working for a ghostly chef whose cooking is haunting the ship.
>Tally ends up working under a Lich who is in the same position as the party.
>Yukiko ends up working for the quartermaster, and starts hiding away things that might be useful.
>The plans for a possible escape begin to hatch.

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>>54042893
And my blade.

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>>54042893
>>54042738
AND MY AXE!

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>>54042738
>>54042893
>>54042917
>>54042922
And my fangs.

>>54042936
And my spear
Oh, wait, gotta wait for Starfinder for bug race option

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>>54042987
Of course my pic would be ate

>>54042529
Wait, there's another Fluffy tail game being made? After the last was a total boozle?

Are there any spells that turn people into undead without killing them first?

>>54043022
There have been multiple fluffy tail games. Each has been a bamboozle. This one will be no different.

Is there any class/archetype/spell set that fixates on the more mundane kind of transmutation? I don't mean like turning into monsters, I mean more like magically changing substances into one another

>>54043065
Material Manipulator Mesmerist is the only one I know of.

>>54043065
Alchemist?

>>54043022
First two were done by throwaways who intended to bamboozle from the start.

Third is being run the only /pfg/ GM to ever run a game to its intended completion. No guarantees the game will be good, but it won't be a bamboozle.

>>54043096
link?

>>54043119
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/80328/volo-fluffy-tails-9

>>54043081
honestly that looks like the exact opposite of what I want

>>54043083
Maybe if I can replace the mutagens and poisons with something else

>>54043133
>lewd
I don't know why I had hoped for something else. Oh well, there's another game I sadly will not be joining.

I kinda wish I was good at the hole GMing thin, so I could make my own games

>>54043163

Perhaps you should make your own games anyway-you'll never improve without trying.

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Don't forget to praise your casters, /pfg/! They only have so many spells in them until they need your protection!

>>54043163
I don't know what you expected.

>>54043207
>implying I'm not playing a Sphere Caster
>being retarded enough to actually run out of Spell Slots anyway
Kill yourself.

>>54042839
Well, the PF SRd, but really, the core book has enough spells that would be useful (protection from energy, energy resistance, charm person, blaster spells of differeng energies than the dragon's own, etc) that you can get away with just picking a few.

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>>54043207

Don't worry, the group hired a High Guardian specifically to take care of the elf. Very professional.

>>54043188
I'd just rather wait to try with a group of people I already know, rather than randos and anons.

And sadly the only group of friends I have, I have to play with on skype, since I live on the other side of the country from them, so it would be rough to be a proper GM for them, especially with my slow as molasses internet.

I'm just not sure if i would be proper for me to impose on thm so much. I mean, they already are doing so much to make sure I can play with them and be involved with their campaigns, I just don't think it would be right to try to make them take even more time out of their schedules to deal with someone like me who has no clue what he's doing.

Is there a way to make a Cavalier that does something other than charging motherfuckers for a lot of damage at once?

>>54043250
Really dumb gimmick builds based on race and how weird you can get with feat choices and a mount/animal companion

>>54043246

Who knows? Maybe they'll like your stupid game.

>>54043238
Gnollfags fuck off

>>54043284
They just might. I guess that's probably good enough reason to get back into making my homebrew and trying to come up with a beginning session.

The only question remains though is How to think of what direction to put the setting, and where to have the intro game. Also I gotta get back to finishing the darned thing. Fugg

>>54043006
>>54043006
I'd just rule that any Bug art would pass for the Shirren. Just steal a bit from Wakfu about how the deities like certain forms and push their worshippers to look more like that over time.

>>54043403

I would be happy to play in one shots of your setting to help test it out!

>>54035057
So I am gone for a week, why did /pgg/ split into a starfinder and pf threads? Why do we have to have two dead threads?

>>54043692

Someone got a bee in their bonnet about it, and that made other people get bees in their respective bonnets about the bee in the first anon's bonnet, and the short of it is, two threads because bees are awful.

>>54043720
That's speciest, anon.

>>54043692
One idiot got really upset over the change from /pfg/ to /pgg/ about a week and a half late and decided to make a /sfg/ thread to try to delegitimize the /pgg/ name.

The resulting /pgg/ vs. /pfg/ autism storm led a lot of people to enjoying /sfg/ which was largely devoid of the name shitposts. Now both threads are dragging ass and should probably be put back together.

>>54043780
Part of the problem is we don't actually have any BOOKS for Starfinder. That will change in August, but that's another month+ away.

>>54043780
Sounds good to me. I think the next time a /sfg/ thread dies we should just keep it on /pgg/

>>54043809
Probably a good idea. We can revisit the thread split after SF comes out.

>>54043780
Or the thread could just be having a slow day. Not like /pfg/ was super fast unless there was a shit storm going on anyway.

>>54043842
>Or the thread could just be having a slow day
Every day since the split has been slow. Typically we went through 3-4 threads a day, at least 2 on a slow day. Now we're barely filling a thread per day here, while /sfg/ takes days to fill.

>>54043636
Thanks, but the setting is still in basic development, and I'd rather work with people I know before allowing strangers to look at it.

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What kind of sword serves best as a sidearm when your main weapon is a polearm?

Does it make sense to carry a sidesword when you bring something like a greatsword?

>TFW put off applying to Ensoulment till the last week because I wanted to get the best possible grasp of the lore and tone and the general lay of other applicants.
>But now I can't work up the motivation to app because there are already 60 and I know the effort will almost certainly be wasted.
Fug

>>54043911
You should always carry a spare longsword or shortsword if you are low on carry weight.

If your main weapon is a sword, consider a mace or club.

Everyone should have at least one dagger on their belt. Even the wizard.

>>54040391
>No love for psychic waifus? You don't want a gril that can dive into your mindscape and become closer to you than any other ever could? A literal union of body and mind, as it were.
t. Rintaelle

>>54043207
>>54040681
t. Cornelia

>>54042901
Argentum are you SURE you can handle even more games?

>>54043911
>what kind of sword
Realistically a spearman would've worn a longsword, if he had a shield, or a hand-and-half (bastard) sword if he was pikeman-like and wore a buckler; both would've also had a dirk. This is assuming, of course, he can afford it - if he's a dirt farmer and not a regular / standing spearman, he might just use a handaxe or a dirk or something. If you're a halberdier you may as well take a longsword.

>>54043961
There are actually only 49 due to deleted apps and a couple that are nothing more than a placeholder.

That 49 includes like 15 apps of completely noncompetitive quality. So really its more like 34?

Assuming you don't add to the bottom of the barrel randos, you have like 1/6 odds of getting in.

. . . Which still isn't very good actually. . .

>>54043911

>Daggers, preferably in spring loaded sheaths on your arms for every one.
>short sword or long sword, maybe even a rapier
>if you already have a sword try a mace or club
>always have a ranged weapon as well

>>54044013
It's not as if it's random picks though. C3, Rinta, Takashi, Ceraphine, Derrin, Alex, and a few others are probably straight up autopicks if the scheduling falls on that slot. A Tuesday game in particular could lock up like three or four slots right away.

Anyone with experience as a Necromancer of some sort? I really like the idea of a Necromancer, but I'd rather not be that one guy who has five million summons that all need to take a turn in combat, but rather have very few (2-4?) and make them count instead.
Is this possible?

Is it possible to make a build based around you being a mount and the Animal Companion being the rider

>>54044072
Yeah, consider playing the Undead Lord cleric archetype. You get one bigboi undead for free that scales with you, and essentially works as a fighter, and you can save the HD you would have saved making one bigboi undead, to make more than one bigboi undead. But, in general if you aren't one of those dudes who wait until your turn to prepare whatever you want to do, and you know what you are going to do before you turns run around, you can easily control 5 or 6 beasts at one time.

Does anyone have a link to somewhere I can pirate the Conflict PVP rulebook? I couldn't find it in the link repository in the OP, nor in any of the libraries within the pastebin.

>>54044072

Bloody Skeletons. They have fast healing equal to half their HD and are pretty tanky, they also eat up your control buckets quickly so you do not have room for smaller minions. The only hard part is GM cooperation giving you higher HD monsters to raise as the high level skelebuddies

Alternatively look into Words of Power - Death. You might have to drop a feat for it but it allows you to raise dead without using up pounds of onyx. Raise what you need and discard as you go along.

Lastly the divine route as >>54044101 suggested.

If you were to houserule Greatswords to be closer to their Real Life counterparts, what bonuses/penalties/attributes would you pick?

>>54044155

Obviously not as superior as the Katana.

>>54044155

Reach or a profile that makes it work differently from close combat.

>>54044041
Eh, that's getting into the realm of opinion and making assumptions about what Protag wants. I don't disagree that they are all pretty likely if the game is on their timeslots (except Takashi, Rinta, and Alex which I think are just coasting on memergy) among many other very strong picks, but aside from ruling out those 15 or so obviously terrible apps, that's really just guesswork.

>>54044155
Its honestly pretty good where it is now if you compare it to other weapons. It has the option to be held in one hand or two, high damage, a crit mod thats not bad.

If you can wield a bastard sword and a longsword, you would pick the bastard sword.

>>54044133
Are Bloody Skeletons permanent once raised, or do I need to summon them right before combat and conserve the corpses?

>>54044260
all undead are permanent. Its one of the bonuses you get for raising dead over being a summoner. You start combat with undead minions, instead of having to spend turns summoning them in.

>>54044260

Permanent. Also it has this

>Deathless (Su)

>A bloody skeleton is destroyed when reduced to 0 hit points, but it returns to unlife 1 hour later at 1 hit point, allowing its fast healing thereafter to resume healing it. A bloody skeleton can be permanently destroyed if it is destroyed by positive energy, if it is reduced to 0 hit points in the area of a bless or hallow spell, or if its remains are sprinkled with a vial of holy water.

>>54044155
I'd probably split it into several different types, since "greatsword" really isn't even a thing in real life. Most "great" swords were either Claymores, Zwehanders, Bidenhanders, and actual historic longswords.

What weapons are most suitable for wizards (low-level in particular)?

Does the Mokele-Mbembe count as a Dinosaur?

>>54044450

>Longbows
>shortbows
>crossbows
>slings
>anything with range
>Spears
>anything with reach
>running
>running faster
>melee weapons

>>54044453
I'd say so

>>54044450
A Mauler familiar, and if not a crossbow

>>54044450
Longspears, since they're Simple weapons.
Crossbows even though you only get one shot.
Oil+Spark for a poor man's Kelgore's Fire Bolt

>>54044620
>>54044528
>>54044481

Is it worth it to carry a shield/light armor despite the penalties?

>>54044663

Mithril bucklers have no ASF and can free up a ring slot with deflection bonus.

Anything else and you risk losing your spells. Personally I dont see even a 5% chance is worth it but depending on how you are with the dice maybe it is.

>>54044663
Mithril Chainshirt and Mithril Buckler. If you can't grab these, don't bother

Speaking of Mithril, I wonder if Starfinder is going to continue the tradition of the material basically just being "titanium/aluminum with another name" or if they'll actually incorporate those materials as well into the setting while still keeping Mithril around as its own entity.

What kind of classes, with certain stats, should consider using a crossbow instead of a bow?

>>54044768
Pretty much only the Bolt Ace. Or maybe a ranged-focused Hawkguard Warder or Mystic.

>>54044768
Bolt Ace, that's it.

>>54044786
>>54044810

I mean as a secondary weapon for non-archers.

>>54037159
Well if it's obviously superior and of a type I'm already using, which character wouldn't be interested? If you're a master of axes, and come across an exotic, previously unknown type of axe that is of superior quality, I'd take care to learn it properly.

>>54044823
Rapid Reload is an absolute must, though to be honest there isn't really much you can do with a crossbow that can't be done better with a bow. Drow can get an archetype that lets them use SLAs through bolts, but that's it

>>54044823

Classes with no range support built into their chassis but still want to have a ranged weapon because it is a good idea anyways.

Casters mostly.

>>54044681
>ring slots
You've got 10 fingers, anon. And each finger can carry multiple rings.

>>54044966
>Le 10 fingers

Only two rings work at a time you dunce.

>>54044966

I wish. I always thought it was silly I could not have at least 10 rings, 10 toe rings, anklets, 2 or 3 amulet slots, a shirt, a vest, a jacket, a robe and some armor to say the least. Not to mention socks!

>>54045090
Not pants though?

>>54045120

Im not even wearing pants now. Why would I wear them in character?

>>54045159
Well are you wearing 10 rings, 10 toe rings, a bunch of anklets, and 3+ amulets right now?

>>54045175
No, but I could be.

>>54045186
Just like you could be wearing pants.

>>54045090
You can, they just don't stack. The idea of "slots" have no place in RPG:s. It's a retarded abstraction from CRPG:s, and they only have them because it's sorta necessary due to the format.

>>54045090
>not having magic pantaloons
What are you, some kind of pauper?

>>54045201

Pants dont contain my +3 adamantium balls of blasting

>>54045216

I didnt say I didnt have them. Just not wearing them.

>>54045229
only +3? you dissapoint me.

>>54045262

You try finding an enchanter capable AND willing to go as high as +3.

>>54045299
okay, fair enough.

>>54045311

Besides, they chafe enough as it is. They dont make alchemical grease like they used to

Has your DM ever let a wizard create an entirely new spell?

>>54045356

I dont have the imagination to create a new spell that doesnt already exist in another system and isnt just an amalgamation or better version of an existing spell.

>>54045383
But making better versions of other spells is so much fun! Like, for instance, did you know that Enlarge/Reduce person can only be cast on humanoids? That's crazy! Let's invent Enlarge/Reduce Monster so we can cast it on things other than people.

>>54045383
My wizard wants to become a nosferatu eventually, I want to create a spell that offers some protection against sunlight. Not total protection. Just able to walk around during the day

>>54045407
The basis for it would be the same as the late stages of an undead uprising. It would move the shadow plane closer to the material plane around me. And I'd constantly look faded and grey

>>54045404

Sure it is fun, but it isnt anything new.

>>54045407

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/daywalker/

>>54045202
It's more about balance to be honest. You can't have 20 Rings of Everything and 50 Amulets of Fuck You on at the same time.

>>54045407
....Protective Penumbra?

>>54045450
Wow, and it's only second level. Welp, guess I don't need to spend less research time than I thought

Personally I just wish there was more elemental stuff outside of the Kineticist that utilized the 4 elements directly instead of 3 of them using substitute sub-elements in their stead when it comes to interacting with the world and dealing damage. Air and maybe Water I suppose I can see could be difficult to justify damage, but Earth is literally rock solid ground, and you can't think of ways for people to magically be able to do things that can harm others with it?

new bread.

>>54045621
>>54045621
>>54045621

>>54045518
>difficulties justifying damage with water
You realize that water hits like concrete and is used to cut things, right?