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mechanic preview later this week probably

what do you want from the class?

>>54023070

>implying I let any of my characters have a family

Nah, loyalties are to the highest bidder and other members of the party. Too much DM fuckery to have a family.

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>>54023149

Isn't it a choice between an AI or a robutt buddy? Personally i want a sort of cyber animal of some sort

>>54023149

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljx2?Meet-the-Iconics-Quig

The iconic an anon dropped in the other thread.

>>54023149
DRONEZ

I want full drone rigger

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I wonder how complex your drone can get or even if there is a size restriction most of the art scene for them tends to show them what I imagine to be in the small category (possibly medium maybe?)

>>54023070
Having families... As in, having PIV rape with a cis male?

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>>54024962

Yes, absolutely. Who else will I call upon to form up with my giant mecha so I have the strength to defeat a giant monster?

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>>54024962
What? No in the future there are artificial wombs and penises that can do all the impregnating and child creation for the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism that is the glorious future of Golarion.

Cis males, lolol. What a silly concept.

Do you ever get tired of being a pathetic edgelord and /pol/luter?

I thought solarians were all about making weapons and armor out of energy?
But they also do black-hole sort of stuff as well??? Or am I mixing things up?

>>54025488
>What? No in the future there are artificial wombs and penises that can do all the impregnating and child creation for the Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism that is the glorious future of Golarion.

That's what I thought, Paizo is really going all-out with their new setting. Fitting how all the humanoid Iconics seem to be getting more and more cancerous while the Literally Rats and Lizards are somehow doing fine. I guess it's because they don't want to associate Lesbians with Lizards?

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>>54025520

Apparenlty the Solarians gimmick is that they balance the energies of stars and black holes to form weapons and armors. We're still a ways a way until they drop the blog post about the class and the iconic.

In general though until we're shown how the whole star/blackhole thing turns up I'm just treating the Solarian as a 1pp Soulknife (which I hope will have options for something like DSPs Deadly Fist)

>>54025520
They get the negative and positive energies apparently.

>>54025571
Black Holes are EVIL, anon. EVIL.

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>>54025620

>Implying the light of the sun can't be cruel

Tell that to anyone who's died under the unrelenting heat of the sun.

>>54025688
The Sun is the manifestation of Sarenrae, the Dawnflower and Greatest Goddess this side of the Galaxy.

>>54025688
>Pelor the Burning Hate

>>54024925
I'd say they should stay in the small-medium range.
Larger would be robots.

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>>54025780

It's probably come with the mecha rules but I hope they can take mechs and ships as companions as well.

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>>54025718

>Believing the light of the sun is incorruptable.

>>54025822
Are you implying Sarenrae isn't the very embodiment of Neutral Good?

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>>54025841

There are more lights in the sky then just the one that shines on the Pact Worlds my friend

>>54023149
>untied shoes
That's cruising for an unfortunate accident, right there.

>>54025879
Every Sun is an aspect of Sarenrae, anon. All of them.

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>>54025891

Such ignorance. But I assume children should be allowed to induge in ignorance before the coming of truth...

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I want Neutronium-powered Aztec Robots and I want them now.

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>>54025946

>The Azlanti Empire finds the Star Stones
>They unviel their greatest weapon which transforms into a giant robot statue of Aroden the size of a moon

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So what bug would make the prettiest Shirren?

>>54026476
moths

>>54023149
AI waifu

>>54026476

Are Shirren suppose to have different bug like bodies?

>>54025043

>shooting your own father out of a cannon

No wonder all the hets are dying in the space-future.

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>>54027193
No. They have a pretty standard form, considering they are a small splinter colony of a singular hivemind species.

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>>54027324

Gross. I hope the future comes with extra duty bug spray.

>>54027263
I remember one of /tg/'s more infamous derails concerning cloned female space warriors whose ultimate goal was mutual love-suicide pacts when they had finished off their enemies.

The homos ain't got it easy either.

>>54027364

The Shirren are good, the Hive is bad

>>54027488
GAS THE INSECTOIDS
SPECIES WAR NOW

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>>54027364
How dare you sir, insulting our beloved bug friends.

>>54027601
But these ones like FREEDOM and INDIVIDUALISM. They're basically Americans.

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>>54027647

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>>54027675

I would rather not be forced to use self defense good sir.

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>>54027847

I would like to know more.

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>>54027871

If I must I will educate you on the complex and ancient combat style of my people

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>>54027955

Yes please. Just let me inform my supervisor.

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>>54027647
>the Shirren are Insect America
Has one comment ever completely blown your mind? Their Iconic is even a Missionary type, everything fits.

>>54028096

I mean, it kinda makes sense since there thing is all about choices and freedom.

>>54028165
Yeah, but sometimes you need someone to point out the obvious.

>Broke away from a group that was constantly at war
>Supports family values and raising your children yourself
>Provides charity but also willing to blast people

With how often the Humans of the setting have to be bailed out by the deities, the bootstrapping Shirren really are much better.

>>54028279

So I guess the Shirren could be the red blooded American capitalist to the commie humans on absalom station (although I guess they are ancap really?)

>>54025488
Do you ever tire of being a communist meme from plebbit?

>>54028584
Do you ever tire of being a salty bitch?

>>54025688
PELOR, THE BURNING HATE [SPOILER]IN SPACE![/SPOILER]

>>54028413
It makes a kind of weird sense to me. The Humans of Pathfinder start seeming more and more alien as I think about it. The weird station they call home, constantly having to call in deities to fix their messes, the way the Human Iconic just seems to go all out on things. It reminds me of the Transformers, in a way, that they gravitate to extremes.

Whereas the Shirren Iconic we got is a family man trying to make things better for everyone. His Faith guides him, but I doubt Hylex(?) or that other deity he follows is going to appear before him and hand him some holy handgun, you know?


I'm just blown as these weird thoughts coalesce and make it fit in my head. Kind of like realizing the Android Iconic blows all that sexuality stuff out of the water by choosing their gender to be S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

>>54028596
>salty
That does not mean what you seem to think it means or you're more retarded than expected

>>54028653

That's what I like about these iconics as they seem to break the mold a little. I really like Quiq because instead of being a psycho pyromaniac he's a dude who just found out he likes bonking people on the head and taking their bounty and if they get uppity with him he has his custom flame pistol he made when he was a hard working maintence guy and he has his trusty sidekick robot he made from scratch and he stays in contact with his family back on Akiton.

So general idea for a spacey threat: an insectile, spider-like creature originating from a low-gravity planet. Its life-cycle consists of a larval form that gorges on anything it can find, then it uses a set of incredibly powerful hind legs to launch into space, entering a cocoon state during the first few hours of travel. The cocoon is amazingly durable, and will basically continue on in a straight line until it hits something, which triggers the cocoon to pop out an adult creature looking to feed, then mate, then be food for its hatchlings when they hatch (they're hermaphroditic, I guess?).

On any normal or high gravity world, these things are mostly a joke. Their inability to deal with high gravity makes them easy targets, and Starfinder's YouTube equivalent is filled with videos of kids going out to tape the new adults or hatchlings stumbling around under way too much weight for their bodies, or jumping a few feet off the ground and flailing about when they don't achieve escape velocity. Mostly they just flop around and look stupid until pest control comes along, though their cast-off cocoons do make for a very durable material if you don't mind the space bug guts.

In a vacuum or on a low gravity planet, however, they're basically zerglings on crack. If they land anywhere near a food source, you'll have hundreds or even thousands of the fuckers in a few weeks, rampaging across the land eating everything in sight, and if the gravity is low enough, they'll launch a shit-ton of cocoons to spread across the galaxy.

I'm also thinking that their post-cocoon state might be fast enough that they can actually latch onto a ship if they crash into it in space, just because that makes for a great random encounter when half a dozen of the things are trying to eat their way into your ship after bumping into it out in the middle of nowhere.

>>54028729
I'm also considering that, instead of an actual cocoon phase, they just ball up really tight, and fly through space that way. Basically hibernating while they coast on the momentum of their original jump. Obviously, their metabolism is slowed down enough that they can essentially survive indefinitely in space like this, since with no drift or warp capability, it'll take them for-fucking-ever to actually get anywhere.

I'm also thinking maybe their chitin is laced with adamantine, or maybe only the ones from their home planet which is adamantine-rich, and somehow incorporated into their diet? I dunno, I just think it might be a good way to explain the durability of their outer shells, and also a nifty form of loot when you kill them.

>>54028729

Probably might make for weird space weather when you're working outside the ship and a bunch of them come wizzing by.

Speaking of which it would be good to figure out what sort of encounters one could have in space itself. I think that will force players to really break out of certain habits because they think all fights will end up the same way and rely on the same tactics.

>>54028751
Maybe they eat metal as part of their diet? Lets them eat their way into the ship, explains the metal-laced shells, gives a clear ranking system to them as monsters (soft metals are weaker, harder metals are more dangerous), and so on. I think I might go with that.

>>54028756
>Probably might make for weird space weather when you're working outside the ship and a bunch of them come wizzing by.
Yeah, I think they'll launch in large groups, kind of like a bee colony splitting off when it gets too big. Too many of these things in one area, and a bunch of them decide to jump out into space to seek out a new planet. They're not smart enough to understand the whole gravity thing, so they don't know that most of them will land on a planet with gravity that's too high for them and die, but the ones that make it to a low grav planet are enough to keep the species going.

>>54028701
I liked the lore we got from the Vesk Iconic, but the character itself does seem to fall into the typical "made the backstory 10 minutes before the deadline". They seem to be interesting invaders, where they even left the Pacifist people mostly to themselves. They seem like they would make for an interesting Alien Invader on Earth since they seem more upset when people don't rebel.

>>54028729
Steal the giant bug from Mass Effect. Some of them try to eat the ship or just cocoon on it, leading them to constantly be taken across the galaxy because pirates and people constantly ignore proper docking procedures.

>>54028701
I'm still upset that a furshit race is core.

>>54030644
It's not furry until it's all about their cocks, anon.

>>54030871
That will take at most a month after the game's release.
A beastfolk race in core is a guaranteed furry magnet.

How do we deal with our game containing furbait, /sfg/?

>>54030878
>>54031280
They're rats. No one is going to want to make them furry bate. If furries are going to invade the game, it will be with wolf-people and bear people. Even the vesk don't have much furry appeal.

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>>54031354
you'd be surprised what kind of things people do to anthro rodents.

>>54031354
You... You have never been around for people going autismal over Ink-Eyes and rat-people, have you? They're not as numerous as the wolf-fuckers, but they're around and they're active.

>>54028653
Do you think Paizo is doing this intentionally, or are they so deep in the kool-aid that they genuinely think they're writing the Shirreen and Quig as "quaint" or even "alien" while characters like Navasi are more relatable to the audience.

pdf when?

>>54032218
Whenever leakanon feels like it.

Is it too early to start recruiting for a Starfinder game? And will there be functional rules for catgirls?

>>54032292
>Is it too early to start recruiting for a Starfinder game?
Yeah.

> And will there be functional rules for catgirls?
Hopefully not.

>>54032304
>Hopefully not.
It's too late. Paizo confirmed that all Pathfinder races are still around, and that includes shit like catfolk and kitsune

>>54032392
They only confirmed PF Core races. Kitsune and Catfolk aren't Core.

>>54032459
>>54032292

desu senpai it's going to be easy-peasy lemon squeezy to create a Catgirl race after splicing the stuff we'll get from Vesk and Elf.

>>54032459
Yeah, but what if I don't want to olymay in their setting and want to play on a tropical world with cute catgirls and ugly dragonmen?

>>54032512
Homebrew it, faggot.

>>54032512
Custom races are one of the easiest things in the world to design.

What about Kitsune?

>>54032743
Fuck off and die.

>>54023070
Solarian class sounds pretty baller.

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>>54033414
>mfw the Positive Energy Solarion will be a proud lesbian woman of color
>mfw the Negative Energy Solarion will be the first white guy in the system

>>54033433
>Solarion
>Theif
>Rouge

>>54033433
You're like a broken record. Rather, you're not even a broken clock, you aren't right twice a day; you're just a clock set to the incorrect time, so you're never right.

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>>54033414
I just hope they don't end up making the starfinder equivalent of jedi & sith.

>>54033543
They've already said that the solarions do that. You're a little late to the party.

>>54033543
Too late, Positive Energy Solarians draw their power from Stars (which are, as confirmed in the lore, shards or aspects of Sarenrae) while Negative Energy Solarians draw their power from either the void or black holes (which are, as confirmed in the lore, shards or aspects of the Not!Rovagug, a masculine deity of entropy.)

>>54033543
>>54033579
>>54033595
>>54033433
>In every fight, the solarion starts out balanced and attunes themselves one way or the other during combat, with the side used powers becoming stronger, while the other sides abilities become weaker.

Sounds like they gain both, and just slide over to one or the other actually during combat every time.

which becomes much more interestign when you ccombine it with one form of power being masculine and the other feminine. You have androgynous cuties becoming more masculine or more feminine depending on their energy, which would really confuse their teammates during battle.

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>>54033713
>You have androgynous cuties becoming more masculine or more feminine depending on their energy, which would really confuse their teammates during battle.

>mfw androgynous-faced, huge-chested Solarian Monk women

You could say she sucks like a black hole and squirts like a quasar.

>>54033595
Wait so does this mean that they're getting rid of the jyoti or whatever those xenophobic god-hating bird people were?

So what classes are you looking forward to?

>>54034022
The Syrinx?

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A lot of people mentioned wanting to play robutts instead of androids. Aballon is still a thing in SF so I wonder how that pans out or what they do in general for the Pact worlds.

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>>54034320
What's the stuff behind them? Google just autocorrects to Abaddon.

Otherwise, I was thinking of making a Frame race and just stealing how they become intelligent and independent from Star Wars.

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>>54034454

It's a planet with a machine race left behind by mysterous old ones who built cities and factories across the aballon and then fucked off somewhere. I think they are in the book that talks about travelling around the solar system (can't rmember it's name) but that's the jist of it.

>>54034504
>>54034454

Distant Worlds has a write-up about them. It is only a few pages long though.

how would you handle upgrades?

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>>54034546
>>54034504
>>54034320
The wiki has very little on them, basically just saying they are machines who wait for their masters to return, or have begun modifying themselves to become like their creators. Getting a race stats out of them is probably going to be a bit tough considering their nature.

>>54034654

thats cool


solarpowered murderbots that improve over time

>>54034654

Two philosophies are prevalent. Those Who Wait who think the First Ones who built all these crazy tech cities will return and another one that thinks it is their responsibility to become new First Ones and seed other worlds. Those are the ones that built Epoch.

>>54034548
Add more details to your question.

Otherwise, it's going to be as easy as:

1. Ordering parts from Space!Big5 to enhance your equipment;

2. Making an appointment at a local clinic and getting body parts installed/ replaced

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>>54034791

Clearly the PC race will come from the ones who feel they need to become the new first ones. There's nothing stopping us from going further than that. Hell, their racial motivation could be to gain different experiences so they can further enhance their ability to become or surpass the First Ones.

There, I just made PC robutts. Praise me.

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>>54034925

>tfw you never be a cold mechanical soulless robot out for self perfection

Dismantle me now brothers

>>54034834
well where does it end?

if its just money they need what stops a megacorp or whatever rich person or group from upgrading a robot till its 400 feet tall with ship grade weapons and armor?

>>54034454
What if they didn't fuck off? What if their creations turned on them and killed them all? and tnen erased the emory

>>54035035
Paizo has you covered. The next expansion was going to be about Gundams and Gundam accessories.

>>54035079
>Become the Second Ones
>create servants
>Servants turn on them and become the Third Ones

>>54035215

cool

so how soon do you think it will be for someone to figure some build that has a character running around with a beam saber?

>>54034654
>Getting a race stats out of them is probably going to be a bit tough considering their nature.
Why? Sounds like a highly modular base race. Ability Bonus of your choice. 'Fit for Purpose' trait; pick one Skill that is always a Class Skill and two other skills to gain +2 in. Pick heavy, medium of light chassis, gaining bonuses and penalties based on that, and have special racial feats for making them into special materials, etc.

Shit like that. Easy.

>>54035319
>Beam Saber
Hopefully very difficult. The backpack system they have will most likely deal with that issue.

However, part of me wants to play as a Giant Robot like Dolores or even the Space ship itself. I think that would be cool, but impractical

>>54027324
>>54027647

Looks like shit desu

>>54035215

>all mecha are Gundams

I want this meme to die.

>>54035636
Sorry, I'm just repeating what the Devs said.

Besides, it gets the point across. Giant, pilot able machines with huge and varied equipment available to them

>>54035636
I think they look pretty interesting. They've got a rather unique profile separate from pretty much every other scifi bug people out there. They're humanoid enough to relate too, but still very much bugs.

As to gundam, it's like kleenex. A brand name that's evolved into a generic term, in gundams case for humanoid mecha. Unfortunately your going up against a fight with culture, and you're pretty much going to lose.

>>54035020
>cold
>mechanical
>soulless
Bitch, that's the tree of life on it's forehead, how the fuck...
>jewish kabballah tree of life
...oh, wait, nevermind, makes sense I guess.

>>54035792
>They've got a rather unique profile separate from pretty much every other scifi bug people out there.
Bug people from a hive mind? Different?

>>54036997
Their shape, not background, is sufficiently different. Profile as in their body shape and its gribbly bits.
>a representation of something in outline; especially : a human head or face represented or seen in a side view
Art term for when talking about memorability of a character. Keskodai's headdress is an example of establishing a unique profile feature for the character.

>>54037223
Ah, sorry, I was assuming you meant the other kind of profile, not just that they look superficially different.

>>54037325
No problem, that's one of the other definitions of the term. And to their credit, the Shirren really do have an interesting take on being former Hive Minders. A race of bug people who are addicted, in some cases quite literally, to choice and individuality but who still form communities and close knit family units.

Is anyone else going to buy the minis like a good goy?

>>54037565
Not unless they are Amiibos or team up with Ubisoft.

I play online mostly, so they won't be a priority to me

>>54037565
I'm a certified Bad Goy™, so no, never, and I have no idea why anyone would. but if they make Roll20 assets, I will eat that shit up like a neocon on steroids

>>54037565
Yes. Because having decent ship minis to use during firefights will be pretty nice. Heck, I should probably look into star wars ship minis too. When did capitalism and the free market suddenly turn into some weird Jewish conspiracy?

>>54037827
They use a hexbased map for ships

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>>54037889
Well yeah, but does that matter for the minis? So long as it fits on the space, and can be pointed the right direction, it shouldn't matter if the base is square or hex.

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Starfinder will have no prepared casters. Apparently you can go fuck yourself if you like that kind of thing.

>>54040348
This has been known for a while by now, m80.
Not new info.

>>54040348
>>54040369
It makes a lot of sense, prepared casting was always gamebreaking due to the versatility it offered spellcasters.

So is Starfinder going to be 3.PF, but fixed?

>>54040348
This is great. Fuck Mages.

>>54040847
"Fixed" is a relative term. It'll be different and reflect what they've learned from years of publishing PF.

>>54040847
It should mitigate a lot of the outstanding issues. I doubt it'll be perfect, but it'll be a damn sight better than Pathfinder.

>>54040909
>>54040961
It's stuff like this that is going to make me worry they are going to mess something up big.

It can't be the Humans. We've already established the Shirren are the real people of the setting.

They've already hit the Casters.

>>54041490
If there's anything that they're going to mess up, it's going to be the equipment.

we have very little information on how gear works, no matter what the previews we've gotten are. but we do know that every class is going to be heavily reliant on their equipment; the only exceptions being the casters and maybe the solarion. If they fucked up Currency costs or item modifications, everybody that isn't a technomancer, mystic, or solarion (and even them to some degree) are going to suffer for it.

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>>54023149
Drones that aren't number fiddly bullshit.
I just want a minionmancer type, dammit, I don't want to do ten lines of math to determine how many of X can have Y levels while I control Z other things.

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>>54035636
>>54035215
>>54035035
>Gundams
>Not Tekryu HAU Dragons
Pleb tier.

>>54041594
You get to play the Mechanic
You get one (1) Minion
You can name it Sparky or Rex
End of Line

>>54041638
They said Gundams
Gundams include the Gundams from G-Gundam (is there a dash or dash?)
G-Gundam included Dragons and whatever else you wanted, somewhere

>>54041673
Different anime, anon. he;'s talking about Hades Project Zeorhymer, which in four episodes outclassed the hundreds of epidodes of Gundam by light years.

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Do you guys think SF will encourage people to try different environments? What I mean for this is that with the prevelence of technology things like having a custom made diving armor suit would be more than readily possible so might inspire more games to take place in odd locales like underwater and what not. I say this because I imagine it will be a good way to keep combat from becoming boring and really challenge the different classes.

>>54041638
>>54041925
Explain further and tell me where I can torrent it.

>>54041961
Yes.

Right out of the gate, all armor has built in air tanks and I'm mostly sure of the jet packs. If you wanted a campaign under the sea but had that one player who doesn't play along, there is literally a scuba armor shop he can go to and buy the equipment and an underwater room

>>54041961
Well, 24 hour environment suits for hazardous areas are going to be standard. Obozaya's character sheet has her wearing Vesk Troop Ceremonial Plate, which can survive underwater, in space, or other harsh environments for up to 24 hours.

A special heavy armor environment suit like that would probably be fairly easy to pick up and not terribly expensive. So yeah, different environments is definitely encouraged.

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So apparently Xenowardens are suppose to be a sort of semi-terrorist group that doesn't like people fucking with different planets. I wonder how this will affect nature type magic (which is something we still need to know more about anyways) That said, I think the idea of a futuristic druid is kinda cool.

>>54042109
Hades Project Zeorhymer has the Japanese government taking an adopted child from his family, driving him across fuji, and forcing him to escape...whereupon he falls into a secret basse and gets shoved in a giant robot. Stereotypical....up until he starts showing signs of split personalitie the robot, stolen by ba world domination group, is one of 8, each associated with an element from the I Ching. The Hau Dragons seek world domination and to control Zeorhymer....but there is something more sinister going on.

As for torrents, good luck.

>No racial stats for the robot or the space lich

Dropped.

>>54042387
Agreed.
I think Starfinder is a huge step in the wrong direction.

>>54042765
>>54042748
>>54042387
The samefagging is a little obvious anon.

>>54042366
Liches aren't meant to be PCs, they're a template.. Robots might be later.

>>54042805
4chan has IDs now? Are there any features they haven't stolen from 420chan yet?

>>54042804
>Liches aren't mean to be PCs

Stop raping me you cis, living scum.

>>54042804

What about robot liches?!

>>54043184
I am the only person to write lich smut on ./tg/ You'll be lucky to survive with just a mere rape.

>>54043224
Those'd be androids, anon. Literally resleeving themselves in other people's android bodies....

>>54042805
>implying IDs identify samefagging shitposters
Well, at least I'm not an idiot.

>>54043362

I dislike the idea of my android surrendering his body just because some other android soul wants to use it. It is MY body.

>>54043413
They seem to be pretty chill about it - apparently floating around the universe is pretty calming.

>>54043612

Do you know what happens to souls in pathfinder!?! It is horrible.

>>54043658
Apparently it doesn't happen to Android souls.

>>54043658
What happens to souls?

>>54043714
The usual plan is as follows
>souls grow on positive energy trees in the positive energy plane
>go to material plane for mortal life
>die, get judged and sent to corresponding alignment plane
>without the use of an artifact you destroy in Hell's Rebels your personality is erased
>you become either an outsider who eventually merges with the plane or just merge with the plane
>the plane is gradually eroded by the Maelstrom
>the eroded planestuff is eventually fired back into the positive energy plane where the process repeats

I dont think I missed a step in soul recycling

>>54043773
What artifact is that?

>>54043773
That merging thing though takes anywhere from a hundred years to entire ages. And your personality stays, it's just your mortal memories that are erased. You're still you, you just don't remember your previous life before arriving in heaven.

>>54043801
The Soul Anchor

>>54043827
The point is, you get washed away and recycled.

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>>54043827

From the entry on the Soul Anchor

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>>54027955

I could use these as alternative apperance for Shirren

>>54043773
>without the use of an artifact you destroy in Hell's Rebels your personality is erased
Implying I wouldn't use that myself.

>>54044784
Apparently Pharasma sends an angel to try and convince you to not use it.

IIRC, she doesn't even fight you or anything. She's just all 'pls don't because balance'.

I don't think using it's even an aligned action.

>>54044784

Apparently only the Whore Queen makes them and she is stingy about who gets to use them.

Probably why she gets stuck with a name like Whore Queen.

>>54044831
Then I just tell the angel to suck it, and promise to try not to fuck things up. I mean, there can't be that many of them anyway, surely not enough to upset balance just by using it.

>>54045244
Well the Soul Anchor isn't a consumable. It's a big ol thing and you just touch it.

>>54044871
Well there's four Whore Queens. The relevant one here is Mahathallah. And they're apparently called Whore Queens because Hell is misogynistic. Them being called Whore Queens is as far as I know the only evidence towards this thing we're just told to be true though. And Asmodeus DID put a lady in charge of Cheliax, so whatevs.

>>54046211
That hell thing is dumb.

>>54044547

>skinnyfag manlet bugs
>skinnyfag manlet robots

Fags like you deserve to be pushed through a meat grinder.

Can we all agree that Obozaya is the best iconic?

>>54048750

Yes.

Not like there's much competition...

>>54048750
Yeah, even with the silly "There's no sexual dimorphism except women are prettier" (which makes no sense), all the iconics so far are either meh or actually awful (Navasi). Obozaya is at least "OK".

>>54049000

I'd say Quig and Keskodai are contenders but if your personal tastes are such that you view all of them as shit then nothing is going to convince/help you I suppose.

Reminder that the Android Iconic's gender is 'Kill Strelok'.

There's only a sentence that says a Machine chooses, that is all

>>54050518
>literal attack helicopter

Any info on how prestige class-style options or anything like that will work.

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>>54051162
>He doesn't want to waifu the attack helicopter

>>54046211
The lady in charge of Cheliax is obedient to him, so he is okay with that. Asmodeus isn't necessarily misogynist as much as fixated on gender roles - men rule, women obey, men go out to war, women control the household. She's subservient to his will, and is taking care of his house (Cheliax) so it's all good.

>>54051162
We've all got that one murderhobo player. The entire campaign can just be a quest to buy the parts and pay for the surgery.

then they come back after the mecha rules are out

So why would people worship Asmodeus if Erastil and Abadar fill a similar role? (Erastil is kind of about cultural roles and Abadar is RULES and CIVILIZATION)

>>54051854
Different kinds of rules

>>54050325
What's wrong with Navasi?

>>54051916
She's basically a massive Sue created after a mold following a Tumblr checkbox list of accepted diversity norms.

>>54050445

>waah how could you not like our shitty Rocket Raccoon knock off

It's mediocre-at-best if done by a good writer and fucking terrible when everyone else does it, especially the brain cancer ridden homosexuals that love paizo products.

>>54052150

Also basically Ameiko from Pathfinder, but worse and more Sue-ish.

>>54052158

I felt Quigs beginning was closer to Luke Skywalkers than Rockets.

>>54052175

Never trust a Space Skaven, anon.

>>54052216

Be cooler than growing up as a water farmer whos only friend is a droid he repaired

>>54052150
Oh no, a Robin Hood archetype character whose grief is displayed by taking on aspects of her dead lover, who was a lowkey worshipper of a god (who might have been an avatar, but that's the grief talking).

>>54052158
>I never watched Guardians and didn't read the preview
Hes basically a fuzzy non jedi Skywalker with Boba Fett elements.

>>54052284

I don't remember Luke making up banter with his robot, annoying everyone to death with a million questions, running around with a flamethrower and a bomb strapped to his chest, and wanting to be a bounty hunter.

>>54052284
>Oh no, a Robin Hood archetype character whose grief is displayed by taking on aspects of her dead lover, who was a lowkey worshipper of a god (who might have been an avatar, but that's the grief talking).
You mean the perfect person that was born to wealth but chose to become a pirate and dated a deity, with three kinds of hair colour, two different eye colours, and appears as a half-eskimo/half-african tribal mix? I'm pretty sure they made up some extra checkboxes that Tumblr hadn't even thought of yet.

>>54052560
Dude, if the eye and hair color is part of your issue, you need to step back, and think about your life choices for a while.

Weird hair and eye color is a staple in scifi and scifantasy since the 60's.

>>54052284
>Hes basically a fuzzy non jedi Skywalker with Boba Fett elements.
Reaching this hard to compare him to something acceptable,

>look guys he's just like these two completely-different-from-eachother characters except except except

>>54052596
Yeah, no, not like that. She's a modernist fetisch, deliberately created to be "diverse", shallow as a puddle.

>>54052560
It's not even cannon that she dated a god; just that she found out that the chick she loved worshipped him.
And that god has a tendency to create avatars of itself, she likes to think her gf was one. It is just wishful thinking on her part.

>>54052284
>>54052596
Actual-Autist, is that you?

>>54052560
>perfect person
Except she's not. Shes shown to be hotheaded and makes all kind sof mistakes, her leap into piracy revealed her to be utterly naive and was one of those hard knock lessons many go through. There are plenty who hate her, plaenty who literally dont give a damn, and soem few who are close friends, like any person who goes out and does shit.
>that was born to wealth but chose to become a pirate
Literally why shes a Robin Hood type character.
>and dated a deity,
Ambiguous. We don't know, she don't know, only the god knows and he ain't talking. They could have simply been a worshipper who just doesn't talk about their belief. Trying to turn an ambiguous aspect of a story into a certain one is one of those little autistic things autists do.
>with three kinds of hair colour, two different eye colours, and appears as a half-eskimo/half-african tribal mix?
Waaaaaaah, she triggers me because she isnt white and boring.

>>54052691
Oh, yeah, it's you. Plz take your super-autism somewhere else.

>>54052691
>>54052712
>exactly one minute apart
:thinking:

>>54052712
Yeah, no, we've already established that you don't understand literary devices on account of your autism. Calling her a Robin Hood archetype based on her being a rich daddy's girl that chose to become a pirate is just extra retarded.

>>54052758
It's just Actual-Autist-Anon, being busy being actually autistic. I suspect he's also /pgg/-autist.

>>54052699
Not me - seriously, the weird hair and eye colors hearkens back to the 1960's 'what if cosmetic changes were cheap for spacepeople' ideas and using it in an argument for a space themed person being 'ultradivirsity girl' is stupid.

I want this game out already

I wanna make a soldier just can't decide if I wanna be a shooty guy or a standby guy

>>54052850

2017=! 1960s.

You also aren't providing any evidence of this at all. But ignoring that even if it was true the context of it is changed with today's genres, pop culture and social politics climate. It means something very different today, making that not a valid defense.

As other anons have pointed out her back story reads of her being very privileged and choosing to take on that life out of rebellion, something which also comes off as obnoxious and even a little insulting to the average generation playing these games given the economy and social climate they have to live through right now.

>>54053006
Uh...reading? Sorry that it's a subjective proof, but if you aren't reading '60's scifantasy pulp and exploring the stupidity of 70's psychic science fiction, you really need to expand your genres.

>>54052996
Do both.

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Would transsexuals even exist in a future where genetic engineering and reproductive organs grown from your own tissue is available?

I have a copy of this book, but I can't share it.

However, I can say that it's an improvement on Pathfinder, including some of the fundamental stuff with actions and combat numbers that make casters broadly stronger than martials in PF, plus a better system for magic item math.

>>54053294
>I have a copy of this book, but I can't share it.
BS

>>54053281
They shouldn't really even exist in Pathfinder, since magical sex change is literally cheaper than a +1 sword.

>>54053281

Well, yeah. The technologies you described would make it easier for them to transition. Although better brain scans might mean no one would be raised as the wrong gender.

>>54053281
>>54053309
Okay, here's a single spoiler for you:

There's permanent, relatively cheap single-use items of appearance and gender change in the book.

>>54053294
So magic is still overpowering bullshit?

>>54053536
Casters are actually a lot weaker. They have a much harder time casting in combat, and non-casters can get much higher base damage and area damage that scales.

>>54053625

Because damage is the reason why casters were broken.

>>54053625
>>54053625
To elaborate a little: Casters can still swing the balance of an encounter, but they can't do it singlehandedly. A caster who gets anywhere near an enemy on his own risks all his spells fizzling while he gets the shit kicked out of him.

Basically, it's tilted back towards the AD&D model where teamwork is king and a caster without allies is gonna have a bad time.

>>54053625
I mean is there still so many overwhelming save or die spells like in pf and 3.5?

I don't mind debuffing, divide and conquer or buffing but one hit spell is too stupid for both enemies and players.

I really hate that.

>>54053367
>spoiler
Not surprising in the least.

>>54053686
To clarify, it either turns things into a cakewalk or a TPK with little in between at higher levels.

Reeks of really shit balance that polarised high level games .

I'm kind of annoyed that there isn't different types of magic anymore.

>>54053625
I hope no more necessary too good spells at low levels like protection from evil which grant immunity to mind affecting spells.

>>54053751
Why is that?

>>54053309
NDAs are a thing, anon.

>>54042336

You can probably find it on youtube.

Also Zeomyer probably wouldn't be a good fit. Considering it's stats are largely "You fucking die"

>>54053802
Given the pervasiveness of mind control effects, - like those at 1st level such as Charm Person - spells to counter them SHOULD be low level. That you don't want them to be either means you have a certain magical realm preference or you're stupid.

>>54054256
Well, Zeorhymer maybe not, but the others could be fun.

>>54054261
Since it's the future and all, wouldn't Protection from Evil be put in the water, like Flouride?

>>54053812
Well that seemed to be a large part of the setting, not just the difference between the Arcane, Psychic and Divine... But all the different wizard schools as well.
I'm sad to see all that variety go for more generic spellcasters.

>>54054261

I think they are arguing that you shouldn't have save or die badtouch affects.

>>54054307
They just shifted the focus from Arcane vs Divine to Magic vs Tech.
You can still fluff your character as Arcane/Divine/Psychic/Batman/whatever, it's just of less relevance to the setting overall.

>>54054307
>>54054334
But now you can be an Intergalactic Magical Indiana Jones!

Find the true origin of spells!
Classify them!
Steal sacred scrolls from museums to put them in the hands of dangerous people as a member of the Starfinder Society!

>>54054290
Given that space travel of all sortsl causes tears in the fabric of reality leading to Warp-Storm style outsiders coming through....yeah, probably.

>>54054261
A spell that last an entire dungeon crawl and remove a quarter of the spell list from usage. And grant AC bonus too.

If that isn't bullshit good to the point that it is essential and you have to make write encounters based on its usage, then what is, stupid?

>>54054615
The AC bonus only works agaisnt outsiders of the specific type as the spell protects agaisnt, and it doesn't not prevent mind control, only suppresses it, meaning that charm person you countered with it is still in effect if you failed your save. It also only protects agaisnt direct contact by outsiders and summoned creatures of the very specific alignment, meaning they can still do things like throw tanglefoot bags, hurl weapons, and otherwise fuck you up, even if they have a small penalty to hit (which is negligible agaisnt splash weapons).

That's a pretty swiss cheese defense spell you're talking about as being too good to not use.

Bump. No idea what this is and no time to look at it.

>>54055797
wut

ded thred

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>>54052712
Well then, only one thing to do for characters like her.

>>54041490

>bug niggers are 'real people'

Ha ha funny joke.

>>54057391
Hey of this shit bugs you that much, why don't you just bugger off?

>>54057391
>Come from a chaotic origin but are aiming to be lawful good
>Support family values and teaching their children their trade
>Charitable
>Support gun freedoms
How are they not?

>>54037827
>When did capitalism and the free market suddenly turn into some weird Jewish conspiracy?
Because the companies that make the products you buy (((suddenly))) openly support agendas that people with money do not support. It's really (((strange))). You want my money? Don't be a pandering LGBTQXYZLMAONGETFUCKEDMODSINTOANALPUSSYTZQZ (((ally))) and actively hating white people.

I mean fuck this game doesn't even have white people with the alignment of good. Why would I buy anything Paizo has?

Should we tell him?

I know we've talked about it in this and the last thread, but I don't know if it's proper 4chan etiquette to say it out loud

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So what campaigns is everyone cooking up?

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>>54052560
While pic related is intended to be a humorous shitpost, I have a feeling this is going to come true at some point.

>>54061774

The PCs are hired on to help escort a wealthy patron's servent to an auction onboard a luxury Space ship that is passing through the system. Of particular note the hot item is a strange and rare gun that is kept sealed and is said to have a particular history with a pair of bandits but only one of the two is currently on display and up for purchase.

>>54061774
The PCs are hired by orphan girl whose father was a notorious intergalatic thief to retrieve his cache of stolen treasures before a megacorp destroys the planet the treasure is on. Along the way they clash with space cops on their trail, a rival treasure hunting crew employed by a crime cartel and the megacorps private security.

>>54061774
An episodic adventure-of-the-week type thing about a small group of mercenary types struggling to make enough money to get by. Bebop/Firefly style. Dunno if I want to try to work in an overarching storyline or not. Maybe we'll see if something develops organically. There will definitely be recurring antagonists and whatnot, though.

>>54061984
>>54062189
Why do people always answer "What campaign?" with "This one adventure." You guys know that a campaign is a whole collection of adventures over many sessions, right?

>>54062335

Well yes, that's how it starts. It would be kind of pointless if I gave away the entire campaign now wouldn't it?

>>54062335
I don't plan that far ahead. So I have to hook them first and if they still want to keep playing after four or five sessions, then I can keep going.

>>54023070
Over a long enough timeline, I have grown to fucking hate the Paizo Goblin.

>>54062667
Paizo's goblins are fucking stupid anyway.

They're Minions-tier 'HURR HURR WACKY'

>>54061774
Right now only one player is excited to play.
Will start it off with his Backstory and life playing around with day to day Im to rich to work what do I do with my time.

She < Female Player> Wont be well loved and is going to be sent out exploring the world a bit as they set up a For her to inherit the family buisness. Competing Family members are going to ruin that. Mark my Words.

Strand her on an Alien planet and Play survival .Twist.. Those Barbarians that attacked are Larp'ers.

Going to be stuck on 1940+ equivalent earth
( More then Likely not human, Her choice)
And Will be trying to blend in. Keep her Ship Safe. And get an SoS answered.

Plot hooks are. Keep ship safe / Fix
Up lifters ( People wanting to uplift this society for profits)
Space Criminals
Smugglers
Basically seedy illegal work done on the planet where what she does is up to her. Will she Be Justic? Will she keep a low profile? Will she be a criminal?

Right now since shes the only player I am building it around her. But The End Goal is Get back home and Deal with said Family Drama

Other players Right now can be Friends or Employees before the ship goes down.

Other people on this protected planet through what ever unfortunate means or activity.

Or even a Denizen

>>54062759
>Shirren on 1940's !Earth
This belongs in a Comic Book. Maybe she should try to be a super hero.

>>54035035
Items have a level from 1 to 20 in Starfinder. It is suggested that the GM not let people have too many items higher than their level too easily.

>>54041539
Equipment has levels from 1 to 20. GMs are recommended not to give high power stuff to low-level players too easily.

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>>54063341

I wonder what level of weapons would be appropriate to keep in a store versus having to go on an epic quest to find it ?

I suppose a lot of that depends on certain qualities or fusions the weapon may have but considering you can technically take your level 1 pea shooter and turn it into an epic weapon that could lead to some interesting scenarios by itself

>>54063411
It would be a matter of cost and availability. Almost every store would have the high end stuff, but they'll keep them off-site and only offer them if they believe the PC's deserve it.

Read: have done enough quest work for it

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>>54063504

Yeah, and imainge the sort of quests you can send your PCs on to get some swanky guns.

I would totally let them find the body of some fighter with rusted but magical plate armor and have them melt it down to forge a gun from it after giving the old warrior a proper burial.

>>54062730
>>54062667
Maybe if you did something other than that - you know, like maybe used your imagination and thought of using them in terrifying and evil ways - this wouldn't be a problem for you.

My players are AFRAID of goblins, gremlins, and dark creepers.

>>54037827
>When did capitalism and the free market suddenly turn into some weird Jewish conspiracy?
There was never anything weird about it, and it's arguable if it was ever a conspiracy considering how open it is, but Jewish? Always.

>>54062667
>>54062730
You are not alone.

>>54064074
Maybe they are? The discussion concerned Paizos characterization of goblins, not what you can do with goblins divorced from that.

>>54064074
That's the thing, they can be terrifying or used in evil ways.

But they're still fucking stupid. Like, Impossibly, moronically dumb. Their heads are basically green pacman with teeth and ears.

I'm also BITTER, because they got a break-average statblock which is real good for stacking dexterity, while Kobolds get the shittiest end of the fuckstick like always with a net-negative and no hard stat focus like goblins.

>>54062759
Sounds pretty cool desu. But I question the restrictions this may place on availability of things that Starfinder just assumes you have access to (augments, equipments, etc.) uguu.

>>54064476
Clearly Paizo is partial in the age-old Kobolds vs. Goblins debate, and favour golbins as hurr-durr funny shitheads over Tucker's Kobolds.

>>54064478
Space ship has a 3D Printer, but still has to gather the raw materials for it. It's on low power mode, so it can't mass produce things to prevent power gaming.

>>54064500
See that's the thing, it's not just Paizo!

Out of ALL THE RACES in 5e, Kobolds are the only ones with an ability score penalty. Something that people noted was a 'big thing' about 5e, that no race had penalties.

>>54064478
Yes well I cant really hash everything out until I get the books and some players lined up

>>54064537
>no race had penalties.
Into the trash it goes.

>>54064504
>3D-printer
You probably mean a cornucopia machine/nano-fabricator desu.

>>54064627
I think the fabricator is closer. It's late, what species doesn't' need sleep Incould play as?

>>54064689
Elan, Yaddith, and that's it.

>>54064689
Androids don't need sleep.

>>54065069
This is incorrect. They are immune to sleep effects and do not suffer from exhaustion or fatigue, but it actually never states they do not need sleep anywhere. they are humanoid type, which means they require sleep.

>>54065304
>They are immune to sleep effects and do not suffer from exhaustion or fatigue
Aka they are immune to all penalties of sleep deprivation.
The only reason they'd care about sleep is to recover HP or abilities that need sleep to recover.

>>54065377
Which is why elan and yaddith are pretty much the non-sleepign creatures. Elan meditate for 4 hours and that is the equivalent of 8 hours sleep, and yaddith do not sleep period, they only have to rest for 8 hours and can remain awake.

>>54065377
Which you handwave as meditation or preparation or whatever.

>brb, defragging memory space

>>54065377
>>54066134
They are biological, you know, they need sleep to rest.

>>54062667
>>54062730

Paizo goblins are scum only worth of genocide. They have a weapon designed explicitly for murdering dogs. Even if I was an antipaladin I would still kill the little fucks on principle.

Dog killers deserve nothing but a slow and painful demise.

Is there anything we know about the first Adveture Path, Starchart or whatever the fuck they are calling their larger campaigns?

>>54067707
We know the first one is called "Incident on Absalom Station", but that's basically it.

I just remembered that Shirreen is the name of Stannis Baratheon's daughter.

What did a Paizo developer look at that made them think of the name, "Vesk?"

>>54067797
http://www.interglot.com/dictionary/sv/en/translate/vask
>kitchen sink
Sounds fitting.

>>54068977
Hahaha, I'm fucking Swedish and I didn't even think of that.

>>54068977

Jesus christ.

Now I'm definitely home brewing my own setting.

>>54069120
Because it's too dumb to be true.
And thus, it must be true.

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>>54069753
Or its just a sound that seems natural to a species of Lizard people.

A list of things which also have the name vesk brought to you by google

A piece of Software
A piece of Ransomware
A youtuber
A Star trek character named Zh'vesk
A species of aphid
Multiple people in real life with the last name
Vesk LTD
Association of Owners of cottages on Seepark Kirchheim in Germany
A Star wars character.
An arabic term for about 200kg.

>>54070469
Further:
A furry
A russian word meaning validity (вecк is pronounced vesk)
veski are estonian gristmills
veske Middle Low german for bag/handbag

And a whole bunch of other nonsense. Basically, you're looking for something to hate Paizo with and settled for whatever random shit could trigger your confirmation bias.

>>54070469
Valeros is a gas station in the United States and Galt is the name of that guy in Ayn Rand's book.

>>54070469
>>54070741
>being this autistic
Calm down your assburger there, it was a joke about the kitchen sink nature of the setting. I bet you're that kind of extra special brand of retard that takes jokes like "literally unplayable!" and "instantly unsubscribed" serious too.

>>54070813
>Galt is the name of that guy in Ayn Rand's book.
Now that's funny.

>>54070741
>A russian word meaning validity (вecк is pronounced vesk)
I'm a Russian and that's literally not a Russian word. Even Google doesn't give me any meaningful results.

Half your list is probably similarly bs.

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>>54071727

>>54072922
Totally invalid translation.

Did You Know?
You can add your own made-up bullshit to Google Translator via the "improve translation" feature!

>>54072922
Literally wrong.
Validity would be дocтoвepнocть in Russian.

>>54073991
Source?

>>54074369
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljxe?A-Game-of-Boons

>>54070813
>>54070948
Galt is a town in California, named for the blue clay that coemes from there. That's what Galtr is - Blue clay.

>>54075402
Neat.

Spaceships in Starfinder are completely outside of any economy.
You can't salvage enemy ships to upgrade your own.
You can't sell ships.
You can't buy ships.
Ships straight up scale with the party's level, regardless of how much the party is involved in their spaceship.
>The interesting thing about having personal and starship economies using the same currency is that it leads to big traps for the PCs: If you overspend on personal, your ship is too weak, and if you overspend on the ship, your PC is too weak. For a time, we had two economies to handle items and ship upgrades: Basically credits would handle personal upgrades but you could scavenge enemy ships for parts to upgrade your ship, with a poor exchange rate between them to discourage the trap of overspending on one. What was in some ways a blessing (the more you like spaceship fights, the more you upgrade your spaceship) proved to be a curse when it came to using ships periodically after a long period of not using them and thus falling behind on upgrades, so the new system of upgrading over the course of leveling as part of what the PCs do during downtime automatically was born, with a similar track to the second economy but gained by level instead. It wouldn't be too hard to kitbash something like the old system where you don't get those points by level and have to earn them via ship fights or credits for any group that was interested, but beware the trap I mentioned above if you do!

>>54076068
Source:
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljwx&page=7?Cybernetics-and-Augmentations#317

>>54076068
>you can't buy ships
There has to be a way around that

>>54076068
Fine with me

>>54078340
I'm sure if the ship is level equivalent with what your party currently has I'm sure you can trade / buy to try out a different configuration of weapons and loadouts.

>>54078340
I wonder if there's anything stopping you from disabling a ship's engines, boarding them, and just taking ships that way.

>>54073991
inb4 someone says the red streaks in her hair are somehow more proof of Paizo being SJW

>>54079620

Seriously, what is it with people seeing the SJW boogy man everywhere? I can't imagine how such people get through life when they think around every corner is some fat tumblr nobody is stalking them with the skill and grace of a shadow monster.

>>54078387
This sounds like a good idea to me. Even a quick Craigslist side quest about finding a reputable trader.

>>54078469
I hope so. I wouldn't mind a kinase racing ship built from the scavenged remains of our enemies

>>54074782
>"You enter the hall of the space-King, seeking to negotiate a new space-treaty to establish trade route through the space-goblin territories."
>"Oh, this should be easy, remember how we rescued the space-princess from space-pirates a few sessions back? This guy owes us big, we can-"
>"Which social boon did you slot?"
>"What? Um... +1 Diplomacy with gnolls."
>"Whoops, too bad, you didn't slot the 'rescued the space-princess' boon, so the space-King doesn't remember any of that."
>"Fuck."

>>54079674
A lot of young or otherwise gullible people get brainwashed by garbage on /pol/, infowars, breitbart, etc

>>54080158
>>54079674
It's also just trolling. They get a kick out of those (you)s.

Imagine if they made Equines a playable race in Starfinder? Can you imagine the apocalypse that would bring?

>>54078469
A simple "no, you can't" is stopping you.

New thread:
>>54081692
>>54081692
>>54081692

>>54064537
Orcs have penalties too. I'm AFB but I'm sure some of the other monster races in Volos also have them.

>>54073991
Looks lesbian.

Will there even BE straight women in Starfinder?

>>54075402
What would we do without you.

>>54076068
That's.. that makes me want to put Starfinder in the trash. No joke.

>>54079620
>>54079674
>>54080158
>>54080401
Here's you (You).