/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General Thread

Dead thread for a dead game. Will HH ever recover from the move to 8E? Will the HH books ever be good again?

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This thread is claimed in the name of the First Legion, Lion el,Jonson and the Emperor.

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>>54022844

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>>54022868
STOP RIGHT THERE!

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Perty a shit.

Is anyone homebrewing rules for 30k armies in 8th edition? It seems pretty feasible to make a generic Legion list by using FW's profiles for all the vehicles and then basing the infantry on CSM and SM.

I have nothing against 7th, I just want to be able to use all my fancy 30k models against my friends that play 40k.

>>54022950
How would you do Legiones Astartes rules? Or Rites of War?

Are there any loyalist Forge Worlds or Taghmatas with interesting fluff? Dark Mech has Cyclothrathe and Xana.

>>54022884
>>54022944
>dying to secure victory
>not the most honourable thing ever
>>54022950
Yes and you should have done this sooner
How easy are 8th ed rules to learn I played a bit in 5th but didn't use stuff like morale tests from shooting casualties and I played tau

>>54022844

Why the fuck would you want to move to 8E and be strapped to the sinking ship of GW rules?

GW will just fuck them up as always, now FW has complete control of them.

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>>54022912
Hey Curzefag, guess what?

Thramas

>>54023017
>now FW has complete control of them.
>has complete control of new rulebook
>doesn't fix any of the mistakes
Bravo Forge World. The future is looking bright!

>>54022990
>How easy are 8th ed rules to learn
It's very easy, the only clunky and unintuitive part is how models move in close combat. Other than that it flows very smoothly and only has 8 pages of core rules to learn, the complexity comes from unit profiles and optional advanced rules.

>>54023077

The main rules for 7E were fine, they were pretty much 90% of what we had in 3E and 4E. The problems are well documented so suffice to say that I'm sure they wouldn't take much tinkering to make them good.

>>54022950
The most public effort is here:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334291-8th-edition-legiones-astartes-1106-i-v-viii-xii/

The only problem is that no one's very experienced with 8th ed yet, so don't expect great balance yet (not that there was balance when playing 7th ed games).

8th ed. looks like it's meant for smaller games than we're used to in 30k. Isn't that a major impediment? We'll all be playing Centurion games, basically.

>>54023137
Exactly what I was looking for, thanks.

>>54023194
How is 7th any more inherently suited for larger games?

>>54023194
I've played two games of 3k points in 8th and if anything 8th works even better with large matches than 7th does.
Not being forced to spread out to avoid templates, not having to roll scatter and argue how many hits you got and not having to check vehicle facings really helps speed things up, definitely worth the loss of granularity in my opinion.

>>54023438
Oh, good to hear. I was afraid all the modifiers and wound-tracking would slow it down too much.

>>54023324

I think he just means that as vehicles cost more our armies at 2000pts will be smaller than what we're used to.

>>54023839
Then play a game at higher point totals?

>>54022807
Shocking video of a World Eater training. https://twitter.com/wsredneck/status/879490681479344128

>>54024404
>Redneck World Eaters
...Not sure if I needed this.

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>>54024508
Surprised that no one has tried it yet.

>>54024508
What did you think WE recruited from the Gun Clans were?

>>54022944
B-burn this!

>>54024619
Ragemarines with guns?

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>>54022844
Low quality

>>54024619
My mental image of the Bodt Gun Clans was the War Boys from Mad Max. So not that far off actually.

>>54025127
>slav redneck marines


>cyka blyat remove loyalist
>goddamn corpse-worshipping scum in MY god-damned neighborhood
>*blasts space country*
>cyka the south will rise again
>*fires boltnugget indiscriminately
>fucking xenos too
>fukken xiggers I hate xiggers

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Please rate my latest. Loyalist, like all good 30k Iron warriors players of course.

>>54026777
Data point of one, but Astartes wielding 8ft bee launchers is a fucking horrifying concept.

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>>54026777

>>54026777
looks clean but idk about the hazards on the helmets. Kinda overdoing the amount of stripes when they ALL have it.

>>54026777
What is the anime figure to the right?

>>54026777
Checked. I hate your hazard markings. They work best when they're used sparingly and irregular. The lines are absolutely dreadful. Mask with tape if you can't paint straight.

>>54026971
Chakia, Yui from Muv Luv and Sakuya from touhou. I don't normally display them but I have a barracks inspection and want to creep out my 1st sergeant.

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>>54027041

>>54027026
My first attempts at freehand. Its hard to get tape that small and effective. It doesn't help that I crushed my dominate hand a few years back during a deployment. I'll keep working on it.

>>54027026
They are average for individual models. I've seen stripes like that for IW missile launchers

>>54026777
Good on you for going loyalist, but I think the hazard stripes on the beaks aren't good. I'd paint over those, but otherwise I like 'em. 10/10 would defend Sotha with.

>>54026777
>>54026878
what this anon says, bee launchers are fuckin great. I like 'em.

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>>54027054
Cute Chika. Take this.

Ok, what the fuck is going on in this Perterarbo book? Its weirdly pornographic

>Neil: There won’t be any major changes to the game. Instead, the rulebook is designed to be a better resource for Horus Heresy players dedicated to your needs during a game and filled with information relevant to you. A good example of this is the Special Rules section; rules not present in the Horus Heresy like And They Shall Know No Fear won’t be featured, while common rules like Legiones Astartes and Agile will be, making this section, and the book as a whole, much easier to use as a reference guide for Battles in the Age of Darkness.

Enjoy your perma-7, HHcucks.

>>54028118
Elaborate.

>>54028118
If you got it from here an anon edited it before sharing.

>>54028193
Ok, well to whoever did it its a really pleasent surprise. I can't stop laughing

>>54028134
Enjoy losing to 250 concript spam faggot

>>54028134
>We really think your 300+point vehicles dying to a single shot is solid balance, and have made no attempt to fix anything that is glaringly wrong with our game.

Woo. So excited for a stagnant ruleset. Yaaaay.

>>54023438
>Not being forced to spread out to avoid templates, not having to roll scatter and argue how many hits you got and not having to check vehicle facings really helps speed things up, definitely worth the loss of granularity in my opinion.

This sort of stuff would be a total dealbreaker in a WWII or modern game, so why shouldn't 30k be given the same level of "respect" (yes I know it's a daddy issues toy soldier game)?

It seems to me that some people hated formations and deathstars so much that they welcomed all the other massive changes and didn't care what else was broken in the process.

>>54028318
>Woo. So excited for a stagnant ruleset. Yaaaay.

What in the world is wrong with heavy tanks dying from a single shot? It's not like that isn't the norm in the real world and in the 30k lore.

I guess enjoy the RTS style DPS hit point attrition game that is 8th.

It's SOOO cinematic.

>>54024508
>>54024619
Aren't practically all marines recruited from feral worlds redneck marines, though?

>>54028512
>Aren't practically all marines recruited from feral worlds redneck marines, though?

Do Whitescars count as feral?

>>54028529
According to Fulgrim they are.

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>>54028538
anyone who isn't the 3rd legion are ignorant barbarians who can't appreciate art

>>54028118
>>54028222
This is the second time this has happened, the guilliman primarch book had the same, with Bobby G fisting Marius

So 40k player here just wondering what you guys think about the shitshow that are the new FW indices for 8th?
Now I've heard FW lost their main(?) rules writer and I'm wondering if thats what its about? Are you guys worried about the poor quality rulewise of the recent FW books? I'd heard Inferno was pretty shit as well.

>>54028773
Those proportions hurt to look at.

>>54028773
I-is he a m-midget?

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>>54028911
>>54028945
doesn't look that bad to me

>>54028502
I will say that 8th looks smoother, but it's so much less satisfying. You fire a couple Neutron Lasers into a Land Raider and it feels like you're just smashing wounds effortlessly off a giant sponge, even with the degrade charts. The fact that there's almost nothing to the tactics beyond matching suitable guns and melee capabilities to targets (even more so than 7e, since there's no reserve rolls, risky deepstrike or other shit that allow the you to do much other than walk, and everything has Split Fire) and they made wounding simpler it's hard for a weapon to have a niche like Dragoons in 7e or something. You're either an infantry killer, medium killer or heavy killer and there's not much else on the table.

It may technically be a better game, but it just feels so bland and soulless. Armies aren't particularly unique, interesting weapons have just got Mortal Wounds or more AP instead of doing cool shit, no blast templates so you lose those glorious satisfying scatter rolls.

>>54028970
>When you nut but he keeps sucking

>>54028222
share it I didn't catch it.

>>54028979
>It may technically be a better game

I haven't seen a single thing that implies it's a better game, unless people think being able to roll dice and reliably remove all your models as casualties in 1.5 hours is what defines a good game and not much else.

>>54028134
Oh no, FW isn't going to completely rewrite 7th but is at best going to make minor tweaks! If only anyone with a brain hadn't assumed this would be the case weeks ago.

So long as we get all legions' units and characters in 7th before 8th I won't care.

>>54028979
>Armies aren't particularly unique
Everything else aside, I keep hearing this but its not really a valid complaint until Codices come out.

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>>54028512
No, Feral Worlds are barbarian marines.

Redneck marines come from the rural areas of Civilized Worlds. And possibly Agriworlds.

>>54029066
>So long as we get all legions' units and characters in 7th before 8th I won't care.

I bet 40k players love how every Chapter is the same now in 8th edition.

8th edition=Looser edition,it is soo fucking basic and annoyng

7th>>>8th

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>>54028773
>Roboute Guilliman remained loyal to Terra. His ship was sternly decorated in gold, so much so that it rivalled that of Fulgrim’s vessel in ornamentation, but whereas the Gauntlet of Power was ornate, the Pride of the Emperor appeared vulgar. Its decoration had been applied with abandon – everything that could be adorned had been adorned. Back when the two ships had fought side by side, its extravagance had not been to the taste of the Ultramarines, who were born of more solemn worlds. Now it was an affront to decency, added to and added to again until tawdry obscured all trace of art. Neglect went hand in hand with this ostentation, and it made the Pride of the Emperor appear ugly. It was a decayed relic from a bygone age, like a theatre from a decadent century left to rot in the rain.

That wasn't even Macragge's Honour, Third is below Thirteenth in art.

>>54029069
>Everything else aside, I keep hearing this but its not really a valid complaint until Codices come out.

And then the return of special rule bloat and power creep layered on top of a simplistic and flavorless rules framework breaks that disgusting trance that everyone who furiously defends 8th has been in for the last month.

>>54029069
Thing is, we weren't allowed to complain before we got the rule leaks because "the problems may not be there", then the same before we got Index leaks and when we were debating the Faction Focusses. They went to the trouble of printing some reasonably hefty books and hyping them to shit, and they're about to start a global campaign. Unless you're Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines you're not looking at a codex for a good while, these are the bloody rules and that's it. Yes, I'm going to bitch they're a pile of bland bullshit with so many "they just didn't care" moments you could make a whole army from them. It would have been so easy to do it better THEN, as opposed to some nebulous point in the next few years

Admech players might pick up IA14 rather soon, but that doesn't fix the problems with the base army like everyone is saying the Codexes will, although I'm reserving judgement on my cogboys until after then.

>>54029096
the third towards the end of the HH became decadent, 100 years after their fall it's even worse.

>>54028478
I think too many of us have had bad experiences with an opponent insisting that the template is totally not covering as many men as we're claiming.
>Oh, you think it's five under the template? Looks like two to me, and I'll give you a third on a 4+.

>>54029213
Either it's a tournament setting in which case you can call a judge, or it's a casual setting where you can choose not to play with cheaters.

>>54029130
It really will take time to know whether it works or not. I was around when 2nd ed. gave way to 3rd, and at the beginning we were all using the bare-bones army lists in the main rulebook. Just a very few USRs, very little variation, lots of "use these minis as regular dudes."

Little by little, the codices brought back a little bit of the old flavor and slew of special rules. Not as much, since it was a bigger streamlining than 7th->8th, but some. That's when some imbalances snuck into the game too, of course (nothing as bad as 5th ed. and later).

Look at the difference between 7th ed. 40k and 30k - the same basic rules don't have as great an effect on the quality of the game as all the other things that get piled on top of them.

>>54029069
No, that's bullshit. I played plenty of 3e using the rulebook lists and the armies felt unique and varied. If they could do it 17 years ago they could do it now.

>reminder that the first 3e GT was won by rulebook Nids and not some fancy codex army

>>54029272
>Look at the difference between 7th ed. 40k and 30k

30k has tactical strike and zone mortalis - both neat variants, but which barely get mentioned because players are stuck in the self imposed prison of giant battles on open terrain.

The root cause of the problem isn't the underlying rules set.

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>>54028970
>The stink of his corrupted brother made Guilliman gag. His head swam as the daemon primarch’s scent invaded his nose and throat, unmoderated by his battlehelm’s systems.
Fulgrim even smells like pox walker, what a repulsive creature.

>>54029308
>Every breath poured more of Fulgrim’s lethal perfume into his lungs, a poison so potent that it taxed his superhuman body
Big worm faggot won only because he farted so much it disoriented Bob.

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>>54029080

>>54029337
>>54029308
bobby quite literally threw up IIRC because of Fulgrims stank.

>>54029337
>>54029308
Is this a new form of ultramarine shitposting?

>>54029275
That's because at the time, armies had a limited set of units that fit their archetype. But people get mad if you release a codex without new units, so over the space of 15 years they unwittingly filled in the gaps and gave every army everything.

>>54024895
that's not bait
that's a challenge
pick up the blade and defend yourself, foul fishknave.

>>54026777
Worst fucking placement of Hazard Stripes I've ever seen.

>>54029308
>>54029337
>only reason Fulgrim won the duel was because he stunk
>the absolute state of GW and BL

>>54029746
>Ferrus Manus actually saw the death as sweet relief, too sombre and stern to complain or show sings of his unbearable disgust

>>54027054
>>54027041
My, what patrician taste. /hhg/ truly is the best.

Starting now with HH. Post your armies for inspiration anons!

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>>54030257
aint got much of an army painted yet, but I guess I could repost this mini bi-weekly until I get around to show more

>>54030307
Have you got some progress done with him anon?

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>>54030257
Currently working in his eyes and face. Fucker is too detailed for my kills

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>>54030257
Only the start of painting my IF, but I have too many Custodes painted

>>54030370
Why did you start with your HQ?

>>54030335
yes but no pictures, I painted the bolter, assembled and primed a veteran seargant while waiting for my gold wash and other colours to arrive

>>54030411
They were test models, honestly. Ended up with lots of extra bits and said "fuck it"

>>54028502
>What in the world is wrong with heavy tanks dying from a single shot? It's not like that isn't the norm in the real world and in the 30k lore.
In a vacuum, I absolutely agree, but the problem arises when Eternal Warrior is a thing.

A lascannon can instagib any non-superheavy vehicle, but a Salamanders Praetor with a special cape takes AT LEAST three lascannon shots to down. That's stupid. I'd rather my giant dreadnoughts were tougher to down than a dude just because he's plot-relevant or has a cool cape.

Also, converting and painting vehicles is hard to get excited about when odds are they're all just wrecks on turn 1.

>>54030593
>when odds are they're all just wrecks on turn 1.
What shitty terrain free tables are you playing on?

Honestly if you can draw line of sight to more than 50% of your opponents army then there is too little terrain.

>>54028866
I play Renegades and heretics and there arnt any formations in 40k now right? Literally my faction is back to being a shitty version of guard. No demagogue devotions nor 2+ respawning Endless Tide militia. No crazy combinations. My army is dead.

I was just building my Son's of Horus 30k army but there arnt any 30k players here. Dozens of 40k though. So now I can't play with them anymore because FW thinks the rest of the world is like Manchester and plays just 30k. I might sell all my shit now that it's incompatible with everything.

Anyone else furious?

>>54030804
Then play 7th, treat it like the transition from eu3 to 4

>>54030804
Can you not use your SoH army as 40k 8th ed marines?

>>54030854
It'll die out. I'm not going to turn into the old group of 3-4 neckbeards in the back who play the same edition for 20 years and screech at newcomers brought in by the new ruleset. Every other LGS near me has those guys, all living in basements at the age of 45 talking about glory days of previous editions. Recently they all jumped ship to warmahordes . It's a new edition, I hope they fix my faction for 40k since it IS FW and they literally just came out with IA 13 recently which was a godsend, but I'm only hoping. However 30k? 40k players arnt going to stay in 7th. Eventually they'll move on and I'll be left as one of 3 30k players in a 100 mile radius stuck with 7th rules. Feels bad man.

>>54029096
>everything that could be adorned had been adorned
Is this a comment about GW modelling?

>>54030897
Would you use your Legion of Azgorh army as normal dwarves? Or your Goblin army as Orcs? The whole point of the army is flavor and fluff. I don't play to win, which as a FW user isn't often to begin with. Same with Renegades. I play them for the fluff and flavor. Switching my dark sea green legion to some chapter with abbadon and Loken now as "chapter masters" seems perverse.

>>54030593
>dreadnought
>mass produced to use all available rescources
Vs
>one of the greatest of the smithing Legion smithing the greatest armour of smithery

>>54030944
>would you use your Legion of Azgorh as normal dwarves?
Yes, actually that's exactly what I am doing, since the FW army list in AoS is fucking awful.

>>54030944
Well then using the 8th ed rules you can fluff and flavour your army how you want.

Just because the datasheet says chaos space marine or infernal terminator or corrupted rape lord that doesn't mean that you can fluff these as reaver or justaerin or abaddon.

The rules don't bind you to fluff things a certain way, shit you could play your army as First My Little Pony Legion or whatever and as long as your models look like they are supposed to and you use the appropriate rules you can do what you like.

>>54030944
>he doesn't know just how shitty chaos dwarves are

>>54030979
Haha, I play LoA in AoS. That's why I said it. Yeah, it's pretty bleh. I win pretty often though against all the sigmarine players thanks to all the +1 to hit goodness on Order. I've got 20 fireglaives, 10 ironsworn, 2 Deathshriekers and some characters. Not much, but at least I can play. In 8th that'd be 5-600pts. Maybe 1k. Never enough to get in the 2k base meta. AoS brought that bar down for me. But I play for aesthetics and fluff. And the army list doesn't quite hit that nail on the head anymore. But it's still LoA.

>>54026777
Like the idea of hazard stripes on launchers, but they need to be brighter and more straight
Love the helmets and the slopiness gives the idea the troops put it themselves on with their fingers
Dreadnought should have hazards on one shoulder
You drilled the barrels nicely
Don't bait with the anime figures especially maid figures
Hazards on tacticals should be legs not face IMHO

I really want to write down a few short stories about the War against the Men of Iron/ the end of the Age of Technology, is there any information about the military organisation of the Human Federation? I've read about the crazy mechavores and shit, but I'll try to keep it low profile and relateble.
My main drive is to show the cause of humanities technological fall, basically them having to replace all advanced tech with barbaric stuff like servitors and logic engines, due to AI's having the ability to counter any electronic tech that isn't hardwired to a human brain. Also showing some of the shit humans had before abandoning their level of tech and trying to preserve what can be salvaged. All the while fighting the Men of Iron. (the Irony here being that humans created a species to fight for them, that was basically superior to themself in almost every way, and couldn't concieve of them betraying humanity, just to make the same mistake some 5k years later in a different form.)
I plan on using the HH-BL format of different POV characters observing the same course of events from different perspectives, the two I have worked out so far are a Scientist working with and on Men of Iron, and an Arbitrator/Police Investigator finding signs of the impeding AI revolt and trying to make sense of them.

thoughts? would anyone read it?

>>54030983
But I could do that from the beginning. I know in my head I can say all my green plastic army men are the Grey German ones, but they arnt. The whole point of forge world is to give legitimacy to the fluff you always wanted. It feels like I want to drive a mustang but I'm being forced to buy a dodge charger instead. It's not the same. It would feel like using a guard army painted yellow with Tau rules. Or more accurately using an imperial fist painted army with ultramarine rules.

>>54030983
Legiones Astartes don't fit very well into either SM or CSM since your base troops go up to 20 but you also have sniper scouts and sternguard and all that jazz. 30k vehicles being split in half between being relics or hellforged in 40k also doesn't help.

>>54031057
Please don't write about the DAoT or the Men of Iron, nothing good will come of it since 99% will be headcanon that clashes with everybody else's headcanon.

>>54031057
Here is my recommendation: Don't.

>>54031093
Bingo

>>54031120
but that is not a problem since
1) It isn't in any way shape or form canon or ever meant to be considered as such
2) It takes place in a backwater that experiences it's own manifestation of the AI War, far away from the main conflicts at Terra and the Core Worlds
and
3) It's all unreliable narrator, tovarish)))))

>>54031060
>It feels like I want to drive a mustang but I'm being forced to buy a dodge charger instead.
No it's more like the Mustang race doesn't exist anymore so you have to race with Chargers, yeah you might not be racing against other Mustangs but at least you are driving one.

>It would feel like using a guard army painted yellow with Tau rules.
>Equating SoH models using CSM rules to guard models using Tau rules

>Or more accurately using an imperial fist painted army with ultramarine rules.
Yeah this is more like it but it's still not a huge issue. The fluff for SoH still exists, you still have your knowledge of the setting, you still have your models, it sounds like you are imposing limitations on yourself and just want your back patted by /tg/.

There is a way out of your problem, it may not be 100% ideal but it's better than not playing and wasting money.

>>54031057
Don't
The golden age of humanity ended because of the warpstorms and psykers
The war with the men of iron slowed it but did not end it
Also we know fuck all, and the emperor is on a shuttle to Molich so you can't include him

>>54031156
Basically do whatever you want but know that whatever you post here will have several people picking it apart and complaining that you got things wrong.

If you can handle that without sperging and shitposting about muh headcanon then go ahead and post because some people will enjoy it, but don't bother if you are going to get all bitter and shit up a thread replying to every retard about how their opinion doesn't matter.

>>54030983
This
Anyone remember the skittari army from like 2010 that GW put on their website
did anyone save the old website there was so much good stuff on there

>>54031157
Fair. I am putting limitations on myself and I suppose I am coming here to get a pat on the back for it. It just doesn't seem right wanting to play my 30k army and having to use the rules of a different one. No rite of war, no special character rules, no legion rules. Just generic CSM

>>54031225
CSM don't have legion rules anymore so STFU

>>54031171
>The golden age of humanity ended because of the warpstorms and psykers
well that's a prominent theory, but my theory is that their dependance on STCs, operated by AI, aswell as AI labour force caused their rapid decline during the Warp Storms, after all, during their war they had to basically get rid of anything that was AI controlled or receptive to AI influence, thiscausibg the invention of a Servitor, a machine bound to a human mind, impossible for an AI to hack in to.

But it's all just guesswork, and let me tell you that I had absolutely no intention of including the Emperor or any Perpetuals in any way shape or form. As I said, it's meant to be low profile, stories depicting the reactions and developments around the war, not the war itself.

>>54031056
I'm repainting the Missile Launcher stripes. I would put stripes on my Iron havocs but I'm using Mk V legs on them. My tacticals have leg stripes.

Also I'm a /k/ user. Is anime universally hated here or something?

>>54031240
Um, I know? That's what I'm saying. I don't get SoH rules.

>>54031242
>>54031171
I guess I did a poor job of explaining my idea, the Golden Age was ended by the fall of the Eldar, as is common knowledge, that started the Long Night, however, it wouldn't have been the cause that ended the Dark Age of Technology, my opinion is that during the conflict against the machines, they would have to get rid of so much of their advanced technologies, aswell as vast databanks of information just to fight the Men of Iron, afterwards they would have a great deficit of knowledge, and probably quite a few semi-feral worlds falling into barbarism a few generations later. When you look at thungs like Servitors and Logic Engines, it's obvious they are a quite archaic measure to circumvent AI, and basically any advanced computing that is vulnerable to AI.

>>54031225
Yeah shit sucks but it's the best we have got atm, I wish 8th fixed things that needed fixing rather than just changing the whole game.

Change the psychic phase, some amendment to tanks to make them harder to one shot without significantly increasing their durability to massed anti-tank. Save and cover modifiers, multiple wounds per hit on powerful weapons and a few other things are all good changes. If this happened then it would be easier to port HH over to 8th with the majority of legion rules and rites and stuff being able to transfer right over without affecting the game.

But they removed and changed too many things which makes things relatively flavourless, desu I liked my big page of USRs and different armies having rules that amended, affected and added to these things. Yeah it was a bit of a hassle to keep track of but it wasn't anything particularly difficult, plus being able to overrule your opponents exploit of a USR with an army specific one you have was satisfying.

I'm honestly quire sad that they didn't bother to fix 7th but rather just threw the rules out and made something new, I don't think 8th has potential.

>>54031331
I'll hold my breath for now and hope things even out. The reason I absolutely hated fantasy but loved the fluff was the ton of rules and maneuvers. I'm glad they simplified 40k, I got tired of spending 5 hours on a 2k point game. It became a game of rule arguing. But instead of taking a little off the top they just shaved everything off and said "looks good".

>>54031242
But AI is more resistant to chaos than fleshy things
The main thing was the break down of supplies so only fertile worlds like knight worlds survived or tech worlds which could shuttle to knight worlds
Also just because dark imperium has copy pasted the great crusade doesn't mean GW copy pasted the fall of the Eldar.
Also how do the Eldar and human empires overlap as the golden age ends first but isn't it suppoused to be like 10k years of debauchery to summon slaanesh

>>54031252
You don't have SoH rules you don't have BL rules, you only have poxwalkers and plagueshamblers

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Hey rando question but has forgeworld ever said if any of the 30k legion goodies are going to be ported over to 40k ever? Because I never realised how much I wanted a TS psychic dread until I saw this.

>>54031516
I don't really get what you are trying to argue, this guy already knows this.

>>54031543
Someone of their facebook page asked the exact same question about the Osiron. Their response: Just use it as a hellforged dread... for now.

>>54031543
They have ported over some generic things like the leviathan dreadnought and the sicarans so maybe but I reckon the chances of HH legion units making a 40kn appearance is low.

>>54031505
Chaos wasn't nearly as much of an issue to humans then, before the Eye of Terror was a thing.

>>54031583
>Implying I have normiebook
But interesting thanks. Well thats a shame as not being able to use psychic powers defeats the purpose.

>>54031584
>but I reckon the chances of HH legion units making a 40kn appearance is low.
Sadness fills my heart.

>>54031626
>Sadness fills my heart.
At least you don't have it as bad as the custardmen.

>>54031651
The cuckstodes have just that terrible plastic contemptor and the plain old schizo land raider.. painted gold..

>>54031543
Legion specific stuff shouldn't >>54031602
Then why is old night described as so horrific

>>54031552
My point is no complaining there is a lack of 30k rules for 8th ed, when 40k 8th ed is also lacking

>>54031679
Old night is horriffic because that's the moment Chaos became a thing for humans, the Ironman war is before old night.

tribune loadout, not taking the shield. do i go fist or blade?
he will sit with Haeteron fist squad and be anti-primarch unit or similar

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What rites of war do you guys play most? Why?

>>54031906
Give him the paragon spear if all the Haeteron have fists, allows for some at initiative wounds and looks cool too.

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>>54030257

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>>54030257
Another squad finished!

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>>54030257

Why did Chaos only become such a massive threat during/post-Heresy? In 40k it seems like Daemon invasions are a much bigger problem. Why weren't they marauding all over Terra pre-Unification?

>>54032144
Because the Emperor died.

>>54032144
not many people calling them in on purpose, the WBs changed that and went full retard in their self destructive fanatism.

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>>54032093
>>54032079
That's really nice anon. I'd love to fight your guys with my Word Bearers.
Keep up the good work and keep posting!

>>54032045
What's this supposed to be man?

>>54032217
Sons of Horus. Not done painting and still waiting on transport to arrive hence WIP.

>>54032198
Love your take on the Bearers of the Word. Good job, anon!

>>54032217
Looks like a troll attempt imo, these models are so badly put together and painted that this can't be a serious attempt at the hobby.

>>54032273
Ok anon, if you are serious with this you have to paint slowly, check Duncan's tutorials and with a little of practice you'll have some miniatures that you can feel proud with. We all have been beginners, trust me it's better to paint a squad in a couple of weeks than have your whole army looking like shit if you rush it

>>54032045
Holy shit, not a single model is fully painted and based.

>>54032314
Okay, I'll look him up, thanks!

>>54031919
My local meta plays a lot of chosen duty/pride of the legion but my gaming group tends to stick to their legion specific rites, mostly because we've been playing longer and have the units available to do it. One guy recently pulled out an Armoured Breakthrough list that looked more powerful on paper than it actually was.

>>54032217
>horus lupercal clearly there in the middle
>wat legun is it???

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>>54030257

Just a couple of examples of things recently worked on.

>>54032535
The question was about the quality of the miniatures. It's supposed to be a WIP pic but half of them have literally chunks of paint in them. I am sorry if it wasn't clear.
>>54032314 gave a good response

>>54032558
That's the first Magnus I see posted here. How is he in terms of detail quality?

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>>54032558

Just realised that was an old picture, so heres another with a few clean ups.

>>54032586
He aint bad as it goes. They werent kidding on the webstore description though, the cape clasps are fiddly as fuck so theres a good reason to have a spare.

>>54032558
He's huuuge!

>>54032558
>>54032593
Magnus looks huge. Almost bigger than that Osiron in the back there?

Got any games in with your Sons yet Anon?

>>54031919
All of my lists are HoO, but I don't even have a tac squad ready yet

>>54032144
They end the golden age of man because everyone is suddenly a psyker
But after that everyone has safety measures
Then during great crusade all the cults get killed

>>54031919
Head of the Gorgon if I run Ferrus, Bitter Iron if I'm playing with Mor, although its not as good, but fluffy.

The Long March with SoH basically every game. It's really helpful for Fleet terminators and assault marines

I'm building towards an IW Orbital Assault list, but I'm having trouble fitting the Kharybdis into my list. It's so big and expensive, and to fit a single dreadnought in it kind of seems a waste. Not to mention twenty troops that I could fit in two dreadclaws with points to spare.

But I love the Kharybdis so much.

>>54023438
Your opinions are shit, fuck off.

>>54028134
Enjoy perma age of sigmar GW cuck.

>>54032714
I've had one 2.5k game a couple of months ago against my buds Alpha legion which was fun. I lost but I recognise exactly why I did (my own blind bloodlust going against the objecive) precognition on a 20 man FotL wasted almost a whole squad of Lerneans.

I am due to play a 2v2 1.5k per player at WHW this Saturday involving Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Death Guard and Alphas. Teams will be names in a hat.

>>54028478
Correct.

>>54028979
It's only a matter of time before people get bored of it.

>>54029060
B..but muh streamlined, muh accessibility, muh b...buzzwords.

>>54032934
Sounds awesome mang. Good luck with the game. Take pics would love to see some TS in action.

>>54033012
Seconded

>>54033003
Try to sound a little less butthurt. Circlejerking about how 8th sucks in 7th-Edition-General is a bit pathetic. (before you accuse me of being some sort of GW shill, know that I haven't read the new rules yet) You sound like Fantasyfags.

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>>54032198
How did you make this head

>>54033074
HOW DARE THEY KILL OFF A GAME I KEPT ON HATING ON HOW EKSE CAN I CONTINUE THESE RANTS

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>>54032217
The wolf guard of Russ

>>54033180
The black black of black

>>54033136
It's from the upgrade set from FW

>>54031331
>desu I liked my big page of USRs and different armies having rules that amended, affected and added to these things
They've just been moved onto the unit cards.

>>54033427
No they haven't. The really basic shit and gutted variants of the odd unit rule made it there, true, but everything else was "can't be fucked" tier. They removed Skitarii Doctrinas, movement buffs and Feel No Pain, plus Move Through Cover, and gave back a 6+ invuln for those rare times Skitarii get hit with -3 weapons in an age of Splitfire. That's only the basic guys, Rusties and Infils lost pretty much all their flavour and Cognis is now useless.

That's not even counting the fact that it means you can't have cool interactions with USRs like Zandrekh? The Necron who steals special rules, anyway, or dropping interlocking buffs on people because almost everything is "Reroll/Add One to [Hits/Wounds]. It's not even some magical Index Syndrome, either, since everyone has it including their new snowflake Primaris and all the Forge World stuff. Sure, it's a little faster, but then they cock that up by having really clunky points costs and unified army equipment costs, which makes listbuilding a really painful endeavour and means that buying the few available gear options for Sarges AND Warlord HQs is guaranteed to be useless or undercosted somewhere.

Is BL planning on getting to the Sol System fight this year? Was really hoping for the Siege of Terra 2020.

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>>54033723
>Is BL planning on getting to the Sol System fight this year?
They already did in Praetorian of Dorn. White Scars are at Terra and the Blood Angels are on the way so hopefully Siege soon.

>>54033759
Oh fuck I need to catch up then.

>>54033723
Laurie said the main series is going to be done by 2022 at the latest, and that everything has been plotted, just needs to be written. Of course, there'll be short stories and other such cashgrabs after that, but no more novels or novellas.

Other stuff we know
>ADB most likely going to be writing Sanguinus at Eternity Gate
>Abnett has the last book
>there'll be several novels, not just one
>there's going to be a scouring series after this

>>54033759
Is that DA supposed to be Lion?

>>54033826
>there's going to be a scouring series after this
Is that confirmed? It's always been my suspicion.

>>54033826
While it's heartening to know that everything has already been plotted and they're saying 2022 at the latest, BL's track record of dragging things on makes me wary. Well, as long as they finish it, whatever I guess.

>OP still ongoing
Yeah I can handle this.

>>54033871
Yes. Neckbeard El'Jonson and Sangy Bo Peep.

>>54033871
Yup.
Neil is progressively getting shittier and shittier.
>>54033882
Yeah, they confirmed it several years ago, and have been slowly dipping their toes in it (epilogue of Weregeld, prologue and epilogue of Leman Russ, parts of Dark Imperium are all set in the scouring)

>can't pick between BA or SoH for my legion

Fuck I wanted a deep strike based close combat force, and while I like SoH colour scheme more Sang is my Primarchfu

>>54033895
>>54033901

How does he have a black beard but blond hair an eyebrows?

>>54033887
>BL's track record of dragging things on makes me wary
According to Laurie you can blame this on GW.

Originally they planned to have it finished by now, but GW insisted they prolong it, and would have kept it up indefinitely until sales started dropping and were convinced it was a bad idea.

>>54031250
Nothing good has ever come from /k/. And you guys know WHO I'm talking about

>>54033941
Ah, yes, we have to put our faith in the New Games Workshop.

>>54033926
I have blonde hair, brown eyebrows, and red facial hair.

>>54033974
I'm guessing you're a heterochromatic on top of that?

>>54031308
>the Golden Age was ended by the fall of the Eldar, as is common knowledge, that started the Long Night, however, it wouldn't have been the cause that ended the Dark Age of Technology
The COMPLETION of Fall of the Eldar was what caused the beginning of the Great Crusade and the Age of the Imperium since the birth of Slaanesh made the warp traversable once again.
The event you're calling was the beginning of the fall, when the Eldar became so hedonistic they got the warp pregnant with Slaanesh itself. Which clogged the warp and prevented space travel. Space travel needed for a human empire who had successfully defeated Skynet on its own, but who now faced cults, anarchy, daemonic possession and warp rifts opening from the foreheads of the newly appearing psykers, who were like toilets flowing backwards. Because the warp was clogged.

>>54033974
Purge the mutant.

>>54033974
Well aren't you a special snowflake.

>>54032897
To my understanding, Kharybdii only have one use ever:
To deepstrike a Primarch Deathstar. But Perturabo can deepstrike his deathstar on his own, so IWs have even less of a use for it.
And if you wanted to deepstrike a termie unit, without a Primarch, when not using Orbital Assault, you'd be using a Caestus instead.
So yeah, it's my opinion IWs have no use whatsoever for a Kharybdis, even taking into account deepstriking a Leviathan or a Rapier team. Prove me wrong?

>>54033074
>(before you accuse me of being some sort of GW shill, know that I haven't read the new rules yet)
People who don't know shit, giving their advice.
More news at 11.

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>>54034028
>>54034084
>>54034107
Beards and hair being different colours isn't that uncommon. Have you guys really never heard of it happening?

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>>54033901
>Neil is progressively getting shittier and shittier.
I know. Wtf is going on?

>>54033974
Guess who was born from a threesome :^)

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What's a good, thematic base for a custodes?
Something that looks both regal and fancy but fucked up as if its been shelled by phosphex.

>>54034368
What till Emps or Constantin gets a model then copy the style of their base.

>>54034368
Fucked up marble with engraved aquillas like the Imperial Palace during the siege.

>>54029746
Having 4 arrms also have Fulgrim an advantage

>>54034529
Lol I remember the old codex explicitly saying having a sword in each of your 4 arms wasn't an advantage over having two weapons.

>>54034161
Those titans look like they're friends and the one on the right just said something stupid. The whole hit has a feeling of "Oi!" rather than any sort of war.

>>54034161
Do you think when titans fight both sides just put down their weapons, watch and place bets?

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>>54034160
>Nah, dudes, it's totally normal and not odd in the least
Which one in the pic are you, anon?

>>54034368
>but fucked up as if its been shelled by phosphex.
Fire.

>>54031252
I mean, you could always ask your opponent if you can use your 30k rules. Just say they came through a warpstorm or something.

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I'm getting into Word Bearers lore after shaking off my slight distaste for Space Marines generally, they're just too metal not to play.

Is there any Lorgar and Co being awesome in the books? I hear people complaining that they go full cartoon villain.

Also, would there be Terminator or Assault Gal Vorbak? It was a full Chapter of Word Bearers converted, right? Surely there'd be a few Termies, since the Tabletop GV are just possessed chump Tacticals churned out for the Shadow Crusade.

>>54030354
Your skills are way above mine. I'd have called it a day with what you currently have, so give yourself some props.

>>54035443
You want to listen to Butcher's Nails and read Betrayer. Lorgar and Angron being best bros.

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>>54035443
Aurelian short is pretty good. There's also some excellent Lorgar stuff in Betrayer.

Any IW out there with any advice on how to do Hazard Stripes? I'm having a tough time with the curved surface of the shoulder pads

>>54032093
Rarely do I ever see Ultramarines I like, but damn.

>>54035443
First off yes, there are plenty of good characters from the word bearers in the first heretic and betrayer. Secondly possessed marines were not only those from the serrated sun (which were mostly wiped out after Istvaan). Thousands got possessed for Calth and the Shadow Crusade. The models we have for the Gal Vorbak are thought only for Istvaan, I would wait for a shadow crusade black book. I suppose we'll get Argel Tal and some units to represent the Vakrah Jal then

>>54035508
Use masking tapes to make sure you hit it on the nose.

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>>54035508
Paint the thing you want to stripe your shade of yellow, draw some rough lines, fill in every other with imperial primer/abbaddon black, tidy up and shade/highlight/weather to taste.

>>54035472
Thanks anon. I've really put some time in that model but I still think his face could be better

>>54033689
literally all of this is false... are you Trump?

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>>54035482
>>54035501
>>54035550

OK then, I'll stick it on the list. I guess I'll have to read Know No Fear too, just for lore purposes and beating up the dickhead who apparently drops Guilliman every game and chops up DGbro and Morty. You can reroll one save? I can reroll ALL OF THEM. Good to hear that we aren't TOO screwed, I was worried we'd be punching bags since everyone seems to hate the Word Bearers here.

Are normal Gal Vorbak still worth nabbing over boring Legion Termies if I only take 5 per unit? They look pretty damned cool, and I was thinking of using some of the new Plague Marines, greenstuff and some Tzeench/Slaanesh bitz to make a few themed squads. Problem is the MSU tax on them seems pretty high.

>>54035601
You actually going to counterargue at all? I can read rulebooks and compare them, there's a lot less flavour in there.

>>54032846
>All of my lists are HoO
Are we expected to know which one you're referring to?

>>54035601
>>>/pol/

>>54034125
They're perfectly acceptable for large units of assault-oriented power armored dudes too. For Iron Warriors, I guess you could drop a 20-man tactical squad onto an objective because you're less likely to run away after being shot at. Not sure it's an efficient use of points, but it could be your anvil behind the enemy while the rest of your army approaches from the other side.

>>54034368
Eldar basing kits - recreate Calastar inside the Webway.

>>54030804
>I might sell all my shit now that it's incompatible with everything.
FFS calm down. This 7th-ed-in-an-8th-ed-world odyssey won't last forever.

>>54035555
>>54035568
Yeah, I thought about tape. I'm just wondering if there is a stencil I can make, and if so how

>>54035869
You can buy Airbrush Stencil material and then cut the shape you want with a really sharp hobby knife (or a scalpel if you have one).

>>54035617
Gal Vorbak are great especially if put you compulsory Chappy in with them

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>>54035443
WB have the second most homoerotic bro-ship between and angry man and a cinnamon roll

>>54036077
Angronius and Sanguon have a bromance?

>>54036017
That was the plan. Two squads, one with Lorgar and one with the Chaplain. They can both go in one unit if I need to scrap with deathstars, but Lorgar is not getting involved with deathstar fights unless he's buffed up and the Vindicators have done some of his work for him.
Mummy's orders, he's a smol boy.

Is there any way to Deepstrike in a GV squad with the Chaplain attached? I can't find a way to make him Daemonic. You can give him a Jump Pack if that's allowed to do the job. I feel like dropping Gal Vorbak, summoning Daemons with the Chaplain or Zardu and bombarding the enemy with Vindicators SHOULD keep their heads down for a bit, but I'll need an anti-Spartan option as well as a couple Dreads.

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>>54032093
>MkIV helmet
>MkVII torso
>MkVI legs

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>>54036439
Excuse me armour police but that's an authentic mk5 set of armour there

>>54035817
Or maybe I'd deepstrike 20 assault marines instead of using both a Troops and, most importantly, a Heavy Support Option to get them there.
20 Tacticals aren't that good. What you're describing is 20 models on turn one wherever you want them is useful, I'll grant you that, but I'm focusing which models are not only useful but also worrysome for the enemy, especially when combined with a flying artillery of a drop pod.

>>54036077
>Ywn listen your bf say "Well fought, cousin!" in the daemonic chorus of his twin voices.

>>54036439
It's artificer armor, it can look how I want it to.

>>54036606
>It can look like Primaris clad in MortalKombatX :^)

>>54036498
>no knee pads
>no exposed cabling on limbs and chest
>no studs to hold extra plates of armour
>rims on the pads
>authentic MkV

>>54036606
Well, found a use for all my snap-fit MkVIIs.

>>54036559
>Or maybe I'd deepstrike 20 assault marines instead
That requires a rite of war that you're unlikely to take as an IW player.

Besides, it's not a bad tank once it's dropped off its passengers. It can ram, perform S6 heat blasts wherever it goes, and it's got five S6 heavy 2, pinning, twin-linked missile launchers. All for 235 points.

>>54036916
Not that anon, but can't they deepstrike with Jump Packs anyways, no RoW required? Or is this a 30k specific things.

>>54037001
No, only flyers, drop pods, land speeders (normal and Javelin), and jetbikes.

Assault marines and Terminators cannot deep strike in 30k, with exceptions given by rites of war or legion-specific rules (I think a couple of legions have teleporting termies).

>>54036916
Assault Squads have Deep Strike by default, so you're always allowed to put them in reserves and drop them in when their number is up.

>>54037089
Even some legions Terminators can just DS when they want (only a few have the Teleport stuff available for them, but still...)

>>54037093
Is that a jump pack thing? Crap, I had no idea.

I guess I never got to know the 40k rules very well.

>>54036439
My own SoH are a mess of Mk 2-6 purposefully mixed because the Sons wearing the plates customise to suit thier own tastes.

>>54037301
Exactly. Care to re-think your statement back there >>54036916 now you know you don't need a drop pod to deepstrike 20 bittermen?
Not saying the Kharybdis isn't a good thing: a few of them in an Orbital Assault list with Fast Attack Deathstorms and people in Dreadclaws would make a terrifying list.
But the thing is: what to put inside them? Vets were amazing in Dreadclaw DTs. Maybe a full despoiler squad is the better option?
>I guess I never got to know the 40k rules very well.
30k will remain in 7.5E, copy pasted from 7E. So now you can get acquainted with them! :'(

>>54038168
I sort of like the movement stat and assaulting from Deep-Stike/all vehicles from 8th

>>54038361
I like the new AP system meaning all weapons don't suddenly become absolutely useless when attacking something other than their intended target. As in, it would bring dual claw termies back from obsolescence.
But 8E blast weapons are utter garbage tier, thus clumping blobs makes sense. And vehicles lack a vulnerable rear. Not to mention they buffed the things people weren't buying before so that, no surprise, people would buy them.
Stuff like that.
I'm not sure if gaining the AP system is worth losing all that is what I'm saying, unlike some 8E apologists.

>>54030354

Layer it up and youre golden

>>54038474
I do hope you've had a massive problem with riptides not having a weaker rear armour or bikes being able to fire behind them when driving full tilt in the opposite direction. Because otherwise complaining about changes to vehicles would seem inconsistent.

>so that

So you would have preferred that shit units stay shit? Hope you hated FW as well whenever they made a unit more favorable, resulting in people buying those units.

>>54038168
Yeah. For 500 points you can take 20 despoilers and a kharbydis, or 20 assault marines + either a fire raptor or 3 javelins (ML+MM). In some cases the kharbydis works out (it'll last longer), but it's not an obvious choice in most IW lists.

>>54038620
I welcome changes to both monstrous creatures that can no longer operate at peak efficiency when missing 11 of their dozen wounds, not unlike tanks after suffering weapon damages and the like. But attacking tanks in their weak spots, that did make sense. One of the signature characteristics of Land Raiders was they were unique in having no real weakspots, strong all around. That's not the case anymore. Don't you think that did make sense?
>So you would have preferred that shit units stay shit?
I would have preferred all units were good, instead of only buffing shit units and shitting on the previously good units. The first one is balance, the later is merchandising. Can't blame a company for trying to sell...much.
And you know how people only make PotL lists (because vets are way better than Tacticals)? Well now you make them shit and give Breachers three attacks base. That's how the re"""balance""" feels.
The good thing that would come out of it is artillery nullifying infantry would become a thing of the past, and Bolters would be threatening again, now that would be a good change.
Give and take.

>>54038782
I hope FW's willing to do something "radical" (by 8th ed. standards) by adding a rule to most vehicles giving a +1 to wound to incoming shots if they're coming from the rear quarter. And I do mean quarter, not arc that requires to define what the corners of a vehicle are. Battlefleet Gothic used quarters and it was pretty simple. In 7th ed. the Malcador suffers from a narrow front arc and you tell me how to define the arcs on a Coronus grav-carrier.

>>54036498
>>54036762
Anons, there's an easy way to check if it's MkV.
>tassels over the crotch
OH SHIT.

>>54037089
Jump units have DS standard.

>>54038560
Any tips?

>>54038964
>MkV, incognito mode
>>54038856
For knights it's easy to find the arcs, by placing a big x on top. I suppose an arc would be 45° from a corner. Even in they're soft corners.

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>>54023244

I'm the guy that wrote said thread, if you have any input, +/-. do share it. If you have an account on B&C (despite me beginning to feel bitter towards the goon Mods) I could credit you, otherwise throw me something here and history will remember you as a nameless brother in arms.

"For every Tripfag and Scananon, a thousand anons die alone, unsung and unremembered."

>>54027041

Thought you were a nerd, then scrolled down and realise you hero. Not for being REMF, but for tugging your firstie's balls.

fuark lads, librarian chadmarine is one damn sexy model

Could I get away with using him? just say it's artificer armour? or are chadmarines noticeably bigger than regular marines?

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>>54039555
I may of got trips but I did forget my pic

>>54032198

Black helmet super sexy +1 (we reddit now)

>>54039043
I think the only good way is the knight/BFG way: ignore corners and overlay an X with right angles. Ignore that model’s actual features. The game’s been abstracted a fair amount with sponsons firing all around, so let’s be lenient with the rear armor penalty.

Also, change the 30k rules so that vehicles with plasma weapons don't outright die if they roll a 1 and "get hot." Let them take d3-d6 “mortal wounds” depending on the size of the plasma weapon. I wonder if that’s a copy/paste error (some tanks say "this model is slain" if you overcharge a plasma weapon and roll a 1).

>>54039555
No, no, and yes

They really are a lot taller - think ork nob next to a boy. And a lot of us here are going to resist the use of modern armor marks as artificer armor. You could maybe make a case for some of the fancier 40k armors, like what Sanguinary Guard wear, but it had better be fancy.

>>54032884
Why wouldn't you take the long march? It's probably the best RoW

>>54034160
Red hair and beard, black eye brows and chest hair, blonde arm and leg hair.

Feels good being a mutant.

>>54034833
I would, how often do you get to see some shit like that?

>>54039662
Remember when plasma didn't hurt vehicles because 'lol, you're a tank, you don't have hands to burn'

>>54039955
I mean, if you're commanding a titan, pretty often?

>>54039783
Thought so

damn shame as well, I feel like they actually did well for once with the new chadmarines

>>54039484
I don't know this jargon, what are you saying?

>>54039389
>"For every Tripfag and Scananon, a thousand anons die alone, unsung and unremembered."
Uni recorded lots of anon-suggested rules in his userpage

>>54040003
I remember when people argued "gets hot doesn't necessarily means the gun exploded. That's why a guardsman may save the wound"
Now they kill tanks and, if Guilliman had a plasma weapon, it could kill him. The armour if fate would revive him and the plasma pistol would kill him again .

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>>54030804
>play IG in 40k
>Have a guy at store who plays R&H.
>Army isn't even converted, just regular guard models.
>Says he likes IG fluff but R&H is "too good not to play"
>I see the new R&H list
>The shitty version of the guard in fluff is now just shitty guard on the table (as it should be)

Loyalty is its own reward.

>>54040815
Renegades and Heretics were good in 7E? I honestly don't know them other than their infinite horde.
Sounds like that's the intelligent way: collect loyalist GW goodboi army, play as the flavour you want. That army is now insured against edition change.

>>54040815
R&H?

>>54040928
Renegades and heretics
>>54040815
There was a list in 7e that gave you units that come back on a 2+ if destroyed and gave anything behind them a 3+ cover save.

>>54040752
I never remember anyone having to argue that, because Marines frequently survived overheating and fired the gun again next turn.

>>54031919
Decapitation Strike because being able to use drop pods without Orbital Assault infuriates my opponents.

>>54041078
And now they won't risk overheating it unless an apothecary is nearby. It's 1/36th chance of a wound for SM characters in artificer vs 1/6 of 6 wounds for 8E captains

Anyone have Cataphractii bolter+plasma pistol conversion pic?

>>54038782
>Don't you think that did make sense?

What do you think failing armour save is? Now vehicles operate under the same rules as everyone else does. Maybe if GW had been consistent with vehicles and non-vehicles, this would have never been an issue, but when you have obvious vehicles that aren't vehicles, then having "vehicle" as a unit type with its own rules just falls apart.

>the later is merchandising

So a company hurts their own sales by making units worse? It's like when people go "oh, look, GW gave this new unit OP rules to boost sales" while ignoring all the new kits that have shit rules.

>That's how the re"""balance""" feels.

But is that the reality of the situation?

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Do you ever just see a mini that screams "pro-painted"

>>54037089
fucking moron

>>54044615
What do you mean?

>>54044615
Yeah, that Iron Warriors conversion and Knight Anon's anything.

>>54044615
Everything I do. It's invariably awful.

>>54035443
>Tabletop GV are just possessed chump Tacticals
Have you actually read their rules?

>>54035568
Holy shit those orange claws look bad. What were you thinking?

>>54046624
I think he means fluffwise

>>54044615
Damn, if that mini had a helmet painted to the same standard as the rest of the armour then it would actually look okay.

>>54046642
Don't start this again... this IWfag gets super butthurt whenever someone criticises his painting or modelling and then proceeds to post the same fucking pics of his models again and again for a couple of weeks

>>54046671
Yeah he's been spamming his shit paintjobs a lot. Is he the same dude that made that converted metal IW warsmith that ghosted around HHG for weeks?

There is more to painting Iron Warriors than just a metal base and nuln oil.git gud

>>54046713
I think he's the same yes. Man I love to see models posted but getting THAT butthurt is fucking absurd. I post my word bearers when I have something new to show (I think my erebus and a veteran squad are in this same thread) and I don't get mad like that if someone criticises my work

>>54046713
>that converted metal IW warsmith
Warsmith Jam Sandwich Kek if i'm not mistaken.

>>54046624
Fluffwise, anyway, hence the lack of fancy gear. Rules are still good.

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Has it been outright stated that there won't be any more Heresy plastic boxes? I've been hearing conflicting info.

>>54046847
They haven't said there won't be more HH plastic boxes. They are just focused on other projects so probably this year won't see HH plastics

>>54046865
> Horus Heresy Box set III: Battle of Phall.
>Iron Warriors vs. Imperial Fists.
>Set will feature plastic MkII marines, MkIII breachers and Terminators
>One of the characters will be Erasmus Golg

It will be released like the other two boxes, end of this year. I know you lot don't believe me, but mark my words.

>>54047000
>MkIII
>Terminators
>Erasmus Golg
We already have all the heresy terminators, mk3 armour and a Golg model. Your massive lies won't fool anyone here.

>>54047013
>We already have all the heresy terminators
>what is saturnine

>>54047000
Will there be jetbikes.

>>54047013
>what is mk5 Terminator armour.

Yeah, the one that Tyberos wears. The art of the helmet is featured in one of the books. One of the designers rumoured the models are on ice for now, scheduled for a release in the future.

Oh yeah, where is Golg? Don't mention the default resin FW praetor, or the plastic GW praetor.

>>54047102
What I posted above is all that I know. Rumours of the box set have been mentioned before. My current source is good.

>>54047000
Man I fucking wish that'd be true

>>54047143
People called the Prospero box bullshit as well, and look where we are now.

>>54047060
>>We already have all the heresy terminators
>>what is saturnine
Something that hasn't appeared in the fluff for like 20 years, I'd be very surprised if we were getting plastic saturnine in a boxed set this year.

>>54047103
>>what is mk5 Terminator armour.
>Yeah, the one that Tyberos wears. The art of the helmet is featured in one of the books. One of the designers rumoured the models are on ice for now, scheduled for a release in the future.
A google search of mk5 Terminator armour bring zero results, what Tyberos wears is jut indomitus that has been constantly repaired and replaced hence the bonding studs. The studs aren't mk5 exclusive. I can't see GW or FW releasing this fabled armour considering how similar it looks to Indomitus.

>Oh yeah, where is Golg? Don't mention the default resin FW praetor, or
>the plastic GW praetor.
Don't mention the model that was probably designed to be used as Golg considering it has the exact set of armour and weapons. I suppose you also thing that the Iron Father model isn't designed with Autek Mor in mind.

>>54047209
Gorgon terminator armour looks similar as well to Indomitus. Mk5 is just a working title I gave it, in a way that tartaros has the same aesthetic as MkIV armour.

You're likely right in a lot of things, anon. Still, I have faith that there will be a new HH box, and it's likely to be Phall.

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>>54047209
>I suppose you also thing that the Iron Father model isn't designed with Autek Mor in mind.
You're right, the model is definitely Mor. It's completely identical right down to the pointed clothes-iron-shaped armor and clockwork high collar. The only difference is that the Iron Father doesn't have the Morragul symbol but that's excusable because they wanted him to be generic.

>>54047376
>designed with Autek Mor in mind
>completely identical
Not at all what I said retard.

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>>54047209
Excuse my retardation but are we talking about this guy?

Doesn't golg have a chainfist?

Okay guise, something constructive.

What are you working on?

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>>54047562
Nah, the Betrayal at Calth plastic praetor. He has cataphractii armour, a chainfist and a combi-melta. It's not 'literally Golg' but it is his exact set of gear.

>>54047209
>Something that hasn't appeared in the fluff for like 20 years
Custodes and Sisters of Silence were barely mentioned after HH card game.

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>>54047602
Oh yeah, that's definitely intended to be Golg.

Just compare him to Crimson Fist's cover, which came out at about the same time

>>54047562
No, the BaC captain.

>>54047000
I'd give fucking anything for plastic Mk II marines and breachers.

>>54048193
Your anus for everyone's enjoyment

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Anyone have the download of the new Perturabo book?

Is there anything in the background or fluff to suggest how large Night Lord companies are? All I can see is that ADB made 10th company around a hundred strong for the NL trilogy but seeing as they didn't do chapters as such would heresy companies be larger? Say 500 or more?

>>54047209
Didn't one of the blackshield in a book had Saturnine termie armour?

new thread up, though the baker forgot to add a title.
>>54048728

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>>54046642
>>54046671
>>54046713
>>54046749

>Disagree
> = butthurt
The more you know. Have a new bread Anon.

>>54048886
>>54048886
>>54048886

>>54048885
That's just me being tired again, go to the linked thread

>>54048900
>>54048885
You are an absolute failure of a person and should just stop.

>>54048900
You are turning into the new knightanon, except worst because he actually painted more than three models.

>>54047179
Ok, but all we have is some dude saying a thing and telling us to believe him. He's wrong, of course. The next box will be DA vs NL and have plastic Mk II, outriders, and a plastic Corswain. Trust me, guys.