Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Threadly reminder that Power Points are the objectively superior way to play this game, and anything else is for degenerates.

>>53948335

Can't the drones heal vehicles?
(these threads go too fast nowadays)

do I have to take an entire second LoW to be able to take a relic spartan or fellblade?

If so, whats the cheapest LoW choice for Imperium?

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Reposting in the new thread
How is this looking for a first army?
This is just the models I have though I haven't added any more men or wargear to my marine squads, because they aren't assembled yet. I'm thinking of putting a combi-flamer and a meltagun in each squad maybe?

I don't know what to give my Librarian yet either, he's in here with a combi-plasma because it's the more expensive option, I have an old metal model and he currently has no left hand, I have the bits to give him either a plasma pistol, combi-plasma or storm bolter, but I don't know which to actually put there. Any other weapon option I'd need to do some conversion work to make.

>>53953058
First for anons shady hand math means he is over by 750 points

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What if I play Open with no power or points though?

>>53953108
Get out

>>53953074
Correct, you can't take a relic as an Auxiliary detachment. You need to take a Super Heavy Detachment and 2 other Lords of War.

Rowboat Girlyman is pretty cheap.

>>53953124

The best thing about playing Open is because there's no costs for anything, I can play undersized units at no penalty so I can take a unit of 3 conscripts.

>>53953104
Have you read the matched play rules you dipshit?

>ARMY FACTION
>All of the units in a matched play army, with the exception of those that are UNALIGNED, must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. IMPERIUM or CHAOS), even though they may be in different Detachments.

Wait, is the novel Mega dead?

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Quick! While the Arbites are distracted, post Genestealer Cultists!

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Nurgle best God.

>>53953140

Fuck, so you need Roboute and a knight gallant to take your Spartan?

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Repostan for opinions.

>>53953161
What is this? A genestealer cult for ants?

>>53953108
This chart is bull shit, a 6 year old should just get an adult to help them make a list with points.

>>53953096
yeah fuck that relic rule

>>53953167
Well you need any other two non-relic Lords of War, because the Relic Rule means you can't take 1/2 Non/Relic or 0/1 Non/Relic.

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I'm struggling to fit all the toys i want in my list

>>53953205
Be a faggot and play Age of Rowboat Girlyman then.

>>53953194

What if daddy is too busy drinking himself into a stupor to write pointed warhammer lists?

>>53953058
"E has come to"

>>53953205

>want to use all my grey knight terminators and power armor marines plus my land raider and dreadnought

>no fucking way this is possible

>>53953205

List your toys fuckboi.

>>53953162
source on original?

>>53953218
Fuck off Arch

>>53953154
Why is open even a thing?
I am pretty sure the people who where going to play however the fuck they wanted weren't sitting around going "golly gee I wish GW would say I could play however the fuck I want!". They just... did it.

>>53953235
Right-click, search google for this image. Alternatively, search for "debimboification."

Seraphim with melee weapons when? Give then power lances or something with +1str and low ap and cost appropriately. That would look fucking cool.

>>53953157
Seriously tho, what happened?

Are command scions going to get nerfed? They seem really fucking good, better than any elite option in any other codex.

>>53953219
The spawn of degenerates shouldn't play this game.

>>53953252

Because some drooling idiot in marketing came up with the "Three ways to play!" tagline then demanded they dedicate rulebook space to all three even though they're actually:

-Playing the game
-Campaign play framed as if it's a seperate thing instead of just something you do on top of regular play
-Just do whatever lol

>>53953283

But then who is going to play chaos?

>>53953235
Why do you want an image that is so blatantly slutshaming?

>>53953171
I like it alot, I assume the commander's will be mingled with the gaurdsmen and Celestine will cinematically lead from the front with the battle sisters. 10/10 would play against

How are Tyranid flyers? What's the accepted standard loadout for a Flyrant?

What's the best Leman Russ variant? Best Guard artillery? I hear the manticore puts in work.

>>53953171
What's the point of the single battle sister's squad?

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This is canon.

>>53953311
There are no tyranid flyers. Flyrants are just regular hive tyrants with extra movement and the fly keyword. Harpies and crones are just monsters with fly and minimum move.

None of them have restricted turning and they don't occupy flyer slots in a detachment.

>>53953274

I doubt it, you take up 3 elite slots to get 12 scions and deep striking them is going to require either a valkyrie or eating up a lot of your deep strike slots.

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T'au are the best faction lorewise.

Pretty great models and fun gameplay.

What's not to like?

>>53953372
>deep strike slots

How does this work? You mean the rule that you can't hold more than half of your units in reserve?

>>53953274
Frontline Gaming has all but told us that a nerf is coming for them, yes.

They said it in a way that says "we have inside info from GW and continued playtesting we can't talk about yet" but it was basically stated as "just some friendly advice, don't rush out and buy a ton of scion command squads right away, maybe wait a bit, just a hint"

Holy fuck Boys how do I choose my chapter now? I just came back. I'm between Iron hands, space wolves and black Templars.

Pretty sure marine infantry suck for the most part so I want to play with landraiders, characters, flying vehicles and dreads. Are dreads as busted as they look? Should I just be playing wolves? I'm going to be playing competitively, so be ruthless. I'm willing to buy 6 dreads or whatever I'll need.

>>53953171
I'm not sure about the special weapons squad taking snipers. A command squad would generally be better as they hit more often but cost the same. Maybe switch the SWS and one of the command squads around? You lose a heavy flamer, but your snipers hit better and one of your squads front-line flamers gets more HP. Plus you could still take an SWS flamer squad and a Command Flamer squad in a single chimera if you wanted with room to spare.

>>53953391
The concept and people who play them?

>>53953395

Yeah, its just easy to think about there being X amount of deep strike slots in your army where X = half the total number of units in your army.

>>53953365
Even so how are they

>>53953089

Wait... do people actually let opponents bring a list that's over the number of points you agreed for the match?

I've always operated on an extremely strict up-to-or-equal-to the point limit policy and not even considered going over, or allowing someone else to go over, by even a single point for any game that is planned in advance and any tournament environment.

I can't really fathom the kind of person who would agree to a 1500 match, has days to put together a list before we meet up, then deliberately go over 1500 and act like that was okay.

>>53953391
>fun gameplay

What am I missing?

>>53953462

Most factions are 'DURR SHOOT GUN'.

Tau are about teamwork. Markerlights and For the Greater Good are great parts of the Tau force which reward working together.

>>53953445
He's a pointfag baiting. Be the bigger anon.

>>53953430

Tacticals are fine, devastators are fine, assault marines are still meh.

Marine infantry is okay/10.

>land raiders

god(hammer)-tier except the redeemer which is overpriced for being two heavy flamers and an assault cannon.

>characters

They're okay but need meat shields. Biker characters are still supreme.

>flying vehicles

They're ugly but good.

>dreads

Pretty good but the non-shooty ones will be less effective until they come out with the plastic dread drop pod.

>I'm going to be playing competitively, so be ruthless. I'm willing to buy 6 dreads or whatever I'll need.

Don't fucking buy expensive ass models just to be a WAAC tournie fag, its an unbelievable waste of your time and money. Buy stuff you actually like to build and paint.

>>53953430
You can't go wrong with loading up on as many dreadnoughts as you are legally allowed.

>>53953058
Which books should I start with?
I've heard they're finally moving forward with the timeline, but GW has purged their site of Gathering Storm, so I wonder where to buy them. Any recommendations for a first book?

>>53953400
Frontline Gaming are the fags who said they had got the balance right the first time and repeatedly demonstrated they didn't know the rules they have supposedly been playtesting for a year. Their credibility is nonexistent.

>>53953506
>Any recommendations for a first book?

The main rulebook.

>>53953491

>As many dreads as you're legally allowed

18 in 2000 points then. (You do have to spam the single cheapest dread loadout in existence to do this)

>>53953521
That kind of list is tournament material.

>>53953521

Will this be able to beat space wolf storm shield dread spam though?

>>53953556
Easily.

>>53953482
Via shooting. So, there you go, DURR shoot spotting laser and all other weapons.

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>>53953506
>Which books should I start with?

>>53953482
lol gr8 b8

WHERE IS THE BOOK MEGA

>>53953556

I have 72 heavy bolters, how many shields and axes do you have?

>>53953482
They seem like they're all about static gunlines now. Which isn't that fun for me.

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>>53953102
Anyone?

>>53953400
It'd be funny if the indexes are actually the last, public phase of testing 8th, and death guard and chadmarines got their codexes before the first balance pass. Death guard would probably be okay. Chadmarines however...

>>53953610
>They seem like they're all about static gunlines now.

Static gunlines are a losing proposition in this edition, given the many ways there are able to be 1st turn charges.

>>53953610
Also, both Kauyon and Montka suck ass. I miss units that could jump shoot jump.

>>53953610
Tau being static die. It's all about that manoeuvre.

I sexually Identify as an Harbringer bomber. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over hive cities dropping nuclear warheads on pathetic corpse-worshippers. People say to me that a person being a 300 metre long apocalyptic super-bomber is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm heretical. I'm having a team of warpsmiths install gigantic steel armour plates, masses of reaper autocannon turrets and merge a daemon with my very soul. From now on I want you guys to call me "Harbringer" and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a apocalypse-bomberphobe and need to check your loyalist privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>53953649
fag

Any word on if the FW AM Index is out yet?

>>53953440
Giving a hive tyrant wings is basically just giving it a jump pack, so exactly the same as a regular hive tyrant, alright at shooting, good at close combat. Hive crones are mediocre, Harpies are pretty good and can shit mortal wounds all over people.

dead thread

>>53953305
Nailed it then, that's what I was going for, I've modelled my Celestine carrying one of those Guardsmen banners.

>>53953316
Flavour, but it's also nice when playing guard to have a unit that actually has a half decent save. Sisters squads are actually really good value for what you get.

>>53953431
Solid advice anon, thanks.

Ork question: Should I accompany my Megakannons with a character, and if so which one?

What's the verdict on HWT autocannons? I feel like they are just not as good as cheap Lascannons and heavy bolters.

>>53953607

Uh, looks like its 13 great axe/stormshield venerable dreadnoughts at 2000 points

72 heavy bolters will do 5.33 wounds to a single dread if they don't move, 4 if they do move.

Under best circumstances you'll get 32 wounds over 6 turns, so you'll still only kill a little less than 4 dreads with the other 9 able to poop all over otherwise armless dreads.

>>53953445
Yes, it happened all the time at my gaming group, WHICH IS MADE OF NORMAL PEOPLE, WHO PLAY FOR FUN.

> Show up to a geedubs
> Ask a friend if they're up for a 1500 point game
> Start pulling out models and adding points on the spot
> Eventually reach 1508, but I don't have anything that's less than the difference
> Ask opponent, "Hey, I'm 8 points over, do you want to add anything to your list?" like a normal person with social skills
> Opponent goes, "Sure, I can give someone like a flamer or digital weapons"
> Game goes as normal because we aren't autistic fucks.

Now in 8th edition it goes,
> Ask opponent if they're up for a 75 point game
> Opponent reaches 78 points, but they're elite so they don't have the ability to go any lower with their current models
> They say they're 3 points over
> I add some small things to make up the difference.
> Game proceeds as normal

>>53953716
They're not too bad. Good for what they do which is kill medium infantry and light vehicles.

>>53953445
Oh come on, have you honestly never been in this kind of situation?

I personally hold strictly to point limits, but a lot of the people at my FLGS are very casual. If they want to play a game 5 points over, and it isn't a tournament, I will always let them. Hell, sometimes I'll let them play 50 points over if they are new.

Firstly because it is more important to get a good, friendly game going without making your opponent rewrite his list and the extra points pretty much never matter, and secondly because 99.9% of the time, if your opponent asks you to play 5 points over his list is very unoptimized anyway.

>IG can comfortably fit multiple brigades in one list while maintaining consistency
Why is this allowable?
Why are point costs so low and troops restriction free?
Minimum selections of 1 across unit types and 40 or less point entries in HQ, troop, elite and heavy support?

>>53953716

They're versatile and aren't worthless shooting at marines or light vehicles.

They're a legit halfway point between a HB and a lascannon.

What's the opinions on warbuggies/skorcha buggies, warbikes, and deffkoptas?

They seem very different from their previous edition counterparts and I wanna know how my cult of speed army will handle this edition.

I scored a 3.5 lb grab bag of 40k for $60 - want me to post the results? There are some great deals and some MIGHTY HORRIFIC paint jobs.

>>53953620
Needs more Thunderfire Cannons

>>53953789
Do ittt

>>53953789
>Bad paint jobs

Buy a bottle of Dettol and enjoy cheap ass minis.

>>53953089
>objectively

Stop using words you don't understand.

>>53953508
You're a fucking moron.

>>53953772
Honestly im biased as I hate all of those models except the Warbikes and im pretty sure they are now obscenely overcosted and lost too much

>>53953789
>want me to post the results
Yes.

>>53953205
Same. My 2500pt GK army jumped up to about 3300pts. Fucking special weapons man.

>>53953629
>I miss units that could jump shoot jump.
That was cancer of the highest degree and part of the reason balance was dead in 7th.

Notice how scatbikes, riptides, and warp spiders, all units with JSJ, just HAPPENED to be the most broken spammable units?

>play Sisters of Battle
>Bring Sisters of Silence to game
>equip them all with bolters
>opponent drops termies with jump sorcerer
>nuke Seraphim with plasma
>warptime charge the rest
>my turn SoS hop out of rhino
>move towards Sorcerer
>18 bolter shots into sorcerer + d3 grenades
>opponent calls BS
>show him Prosecutors can snipe psyker characters
>Kill sorcerer
>Doms nuke most of the termies

That was fun. I want to try great swords because they get better use out of shred in melee against psykers. Then again, 10 flamers does sound fun.

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>I havent recalculated my 8 to 9k worth of Orks for 8e

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>>53953735

Ties with missile for the best "take all comer" HWT, but i prefer them thanks to the constant damage, which is incredibly good against 2w models.

Overall, great.

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>>53953797
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>>53953822

Not resizing any so we can get a big view of the wonderful jobs.

These I am VERY happy to get... can't wait to strip them.

>>53953859
Pure coincidence :^)

Missile, Autocannon, or Lascannon Havocs? I can also do heavy bolters.

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>>53953885
Also happy to get these.

>>53953885
>Marinelets

I don't have any kind of veichles to trasport my SM(vanilla and Primaris): which are good in this 8th edition?

>>53953903
>Autocannon havoks and defiler

Nice.

>>53953430
why not all 3. chapters work together from time to time.
just take a mix of units as an Adeptus Astartes army.

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>>53953903
Look at these wonderful conversions and paint jobs! Great job kid!

Will strip with fury.

People that have the FW xenos index, mind posting the Dark Eldar Tantalus and Reaper for a bro?

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>>53953885
>>53953903

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How'd that do? Kinda going for the no wyches/coven stuff vibe here.

>>53953859
>"That was cancer of the highest degree"

>Ratlings can move, fire their sniper rifles, then move again
>Magnus can fly, zap shit with Smite, cast Warp Time on himself and fly away

Yeah surely a good thing there no longer is such a think as JSJ units any longer :^)

FW Xenos Index epub is available now. Does anyone have it?

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>>53953927
Also an entire Tyranid Army... did I mention everything so far was only $60?

What is coming next will horrify everyone.

>>53953968

It's been a few minutes anon.

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>>53953969
An entire Tyranid Army glued like THIS. Any tips on how to get it off? Will Simple Green eat through glue?

>>53953969
Did some parent sell it to you for the price the kid said he paid?

>>53953963

At least ratlings are balanced against their alternatives due to not being able to accept orders, thus special weapon/command squads with sniper rifles can at least benefit from rerolls.

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>>53953983
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>>53953983

What then actual fuck

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>>53953983

>>53953983
Aw shit. You can hit it with a razor blade but idk man.

>>53953983
Looks a lot like my first models I glued when I was 12. Good god.

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>>53953927

Ferrus? Is that you?

>>53953983
Bigggg tub of dettol might do the trick. Worth a shot if you're stripping anyway

>>53953430
>I'm going to be playing competitively, so be ruthless. I'm willing to buy 6 dreads or whatever I'll need.

Don't take Space Marine infantry. Just take 2-4 units of max-sized Imperial Guard Conscripts with Commissars and IG Officers/Priests. You then have them sit on objectives, clog the board up, and die for the Emperor.

>>53953697
Big Mek. Heals artillery, can take a KFF. Not essential, but nice.

>>53953983
What the actual fuck ... Did that person try to cover the entire models in glue or something ? Any idea what kind of glue it is ?

Reminds me of a 2nd hand LOTR Mumak I bought that was put together with hobby glue or something, that fell apart when I dropped a book next to it on the table.

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>>53953983
Try some angry dissolvent who won't fuck up the plastic.
Also google might help more.

>>53953983
At this point maybe try painting it as oozing ichor or something? Dats rough man

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Hmm... Is 12 bucks worth having it a little earlier?

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>>53953983
More goodies... mostly happy about the scouts here, I can add them into my army. (I have 5 scouts, so another 2 would be nice. I like the old metal ones.)

>>53953574
my nigga first book I picked up years back

>>53954067
Old metal scouts look soooo much better than the plastic ones. Specially the heads.

>>53953733
>>53953743

Right guys, note that I specified games arranged in advance or tourney play.

For casual pickup games I agree there's nothing wrong with being loose and open. Especially if you need to mess around with a list to bring it down from a higher total, it can be hard to do that on the fly and there's no sense not playing the game at all just because you can't achieve surgical precision of a 1500 army with the 2000 pt army you brought along.

But if you agree to an arranged match or enter a tournament and you had days or even weeks of time to plan it, and arrive and show me a non-compliant army then you're just being a dick.

>>53953983
On metal or resin minis you can leave them in pure acetone and that will either completely dissolve CA glue or make it become extremely brittle and allow you to chip it off. I have no idea what to do about it on the plastics though.

>>53953963
>one extremely weak unit with low movement speed and very little offensive power outside of sniping characters
>one 450 point special character daemon primarch who needs to pass a psychic test and can be denied, and you can only attempt that power once per turn across your entire army, and his smite still can't hit anything behind a bubble wrap
>this is the same as when you could make entire armies of undercosted, spammable, extremely fast, jinking, high toughness, good save units armed with long range weapons with high rate of fire that raped any target in the game, that could also fucking JSJ so you can't even shoot back at them half the time
Good argument!

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>>53954065

Mothafucka's gonna drop with the presshaaaaaaaaa

>>53954121
I know right, I'm a genius

>>53954065
currently having the same issue, got the actual book on order but dont want to wait for someone to upload

>>53954116
Are there really human beings alive that try to bring over-point lists to a fucking tournament?

>>53953983
Put it in the freezer see if the glue chips off, otherwise dettol or you're fucked and will have file it off and using greenstuff to smooth it out.

>>53953733
>Eventually reach 1508, but I don't have anything that's less than the difference
This doesn't make any sense. Why not just remove your lowest costing model?

>>53953983
Just paint over it. They're Tyrannids, they're supposed to be gross and organic looking. ;)

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>>53954067
Some orks, not badly done actually. Old metal nob too. I can clean these up real easily and/or strip.

>>53954057
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>>53953989
I got it via a charity auction. No idea where they came from. I suspect a kid started out with traded-marines, painted over them. There were a few things I didn't share - like toys + marine bits stuff...

The Tyranids probably were his first actually bought army. Something coming up though CONFUSES ME SEVERELY... why would a kid have it?

>>53953983
If that's super glue you should be able to deal with it using the same simple green that strips paint.

>>53954176
Are there really TOs who take people with illegal tournament lists seriously?

>>53954120
You know I'm not 100% sure it's okay to leave resin in acetone, but hey, can't make it worse, right?

>>53953747
tyranids are the same, other than having 100 point HQ but 20 point fast attack.

would actually be an alright army of Primes, and masses of gaunts with asault from deepstrike lictors and biovores and spores spraying eveyone with mortal wounds.

>>53953729
So you're saying I should spam these dreads? Or should I just make an army with say 6 dreads and other stuff? Is space wolves the best for this, or regular marines?

>>53954186
>Something coming up though CONFUSES ME SEVERELY... why would a kid have it?

Oh boy, here comes the M1 Garant hidden at the bottom of the bag !

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>>53954186
AN ARMY OF ROGUE 2E GRETCHIN. Why the FUCK did this person have so many? Where? When? How?

That's almost as crazy as the kid having an early edition Sisters of Battle Immolator in immaculate condition.

anyone dl'd the fw guard index yet?

are griffons useable now?

>>53954197
Never use acetone jesus christ what's wrong with you people.

Simple green works perfectly on everything.

>>53954233
>Erect.jpeg

Are Techmarines now free to just replace their Power Axes with Power Swords at a cheaper cost? If so, it seems to be a logical replacement as the Servo Arm has never complimented the Power Axe. Without unwieldy less so but a Power Sword seems a better alternative.

>>53954233
Wow.

>>53954233
>2E grots
JACKPOT
These guys and the 2E termagants that had the two pegs that went into the base are basically fragments of the true cross.

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Dumping Necrons.

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>>53954233
Hah who was I kidding? HE FUCKING DID.

>>53954259
Oh stop being sour.

>>53954301
Awesome.

>>53953096
You actually have to take two extras, because they need to be in the same detachment and the only detachment with more than one LoW slot has 3 LoW minimum. Hopefully it gets FAQd because they're unusable right now outside very big games, pretty much.

>>53954301
Forgeworld Xenos book? Please do tyranids next.

>>53954308
Holy shit

Did that kid also happen to have the Holy Grail in there ?

>>53954323
And DE right afterwards.

anyone got the imperial guard forgeworld index yet?

>>53954313
>Implying that's a bad thing

The edition of hordes and infantry is here nigga. Fuck that 6-7e shit of battles being full of giant ass super heavies and Titans in what's supposed to be a skirmish game

>>53954323
+1

>>53953790
how are thunder cannons this edition?

They still ignore cover and spew shots?

>>53954273
really? they're ugly as piss

>>53954357
because forcing people to take two knights in order to use a spartan is totally reducing the number of super-heavies in 40k...

>>53954233
>>53954308
Good lord.

>>53954218

The difference between space wolves and regular marine dreads is really up to you but you could do either

You could make legitimate all dreadnought lists with chaplain dreads as HQ and vanguard detachments with lots of elite slots

If you went all dreads, you should probably have a healthy mix of heavy bolters, lascannons and autocannons. You've got lots of well protected guns available to you, you might as well be flexible.

You could always take like 6-10 dreads and some friends to score objectives for you or you can go full blown dreadmania. Whichever you like. Neither are going to be super competitive but if you like dreads, its a fun looking list.

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>>53954301
Has the AM one been leaked, if you don't mind me asking?

>>53954340
Nope. This is the last. Asides a ton of bits that broke off things in transit or were tossed in.

I'll get the "chaos lord" next that he made though...

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>>53954301

Night shroud and non-heat ray sentry pylons seem shit.

Long range Melta is kinda cool though.

>>53954374
No idea i just have a boner for them

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>>53954308
now that's cool as fuck

>>53954385
It's reducing the number of them in smaller sized battles.

>>53954301
Praise be anon! Can you do their points too?

>>53954323
This, please and thank you. With a shot of the points index if you can manage it.

I'll post tits in return if you want.

>>53953102
Vulkan has nothing to ride in
The ironclads are too slow to be all that useful
Aquire some razorbacks or rhinos for the marines, put vulcan in one of them.
Give the damned a meltagun, not a flamer.
Add one more thunderfire cannon.


>>53953508
I agree with this entire post. WAAC fags who don't know shit yet act like they do.

>>53953816
Prove him wrong then, otherwise get out

>>53953895
Lascannon and then autocannon havocs. A squad of heavy bolters can be very useful as well.

>>53954161
TO here, I've seen some shit but nothing that blatant. My players know I watch, best the try to do is "Creatively" interpret rules or LOS or stuff. I can spot rigged dice a mile away, so they don't do that either.

I've only seen X points over in casual or pickup games. If you brought that shit to a tournament I'd remove something of my choice from your list and say it's now legal.

>>53954374
They are pretty good. Hard to kill, great fire support, comes with baller techmarine.

>>53954385
Yes, it makes using those superheavies viable only in large games where they belong rather than in 2000pts games.

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>>53954397

Big fortification.

>>53954374
No more ignore cannon and do between 4 and 12 shots.

Appear to compare badly in cost to a Whirlwind, but when you add the points of a Techmarine with the same equipment to that it's actually quite a steal.

>>53953508
The balance is much, much better than it was.

>>53954407
It would be if it applied to anyone other than space marines. Chaos can literally take the exact same models with no restrictions, which is hilarious but dumb

>>53954385

Its a gigantic points investment to take one in a 2000 point game but reasonable in apocalypse.

Knights are hardly even super heavies anymore and are legitimately comparable to land raiders in durability and fightiness.

>>53954175
Maybe they're playing Jetbike Eldar or something, and their cheapest model is like 30 points

>>53954161
I once saw a guy bring a cryptek to a kill team tournament

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>>53954428

Versatile. Could crop the blank off the page this time.

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>>53954394
Saved best for last.

The "Chaos Lord" I assume. Behind him is a gundam toy covered in chaos bits too. That's why I assume it was a kid's.

Which makes these results confusing.
>>53954308
>>53954233

>>53953983
Rubbing alcohol will weaken the glue and make it brittle enough time chip off, but it takes a long fucking time. Like days submerged.

>>53953574
I started with the Space Wolf Omnibus 1. Currently on book 2 (Ragnars claw) and it's been a great ride so far.

>>53954466
Any chance you have Shas O'Ra'Lai?

>>53953938

Too kind

>>53954247
Literally the worst commonly used stipper out there. Acetone is better for metals and for stripping glue and isopropyl alcohol and superclean degreaser are both better for plastics.

>>53954478

>space wolf omnibus

god it hurts

Space wolves used to be so cool during 3rd/4th edition.

Then the wolfingwolfwolving began.

>>53954418
>Prove him wrong then, otherwise get out
They're literally in regular contact with GW, still playtesting shit. Their articles are literally posted on the community site. They're not making shit up, they have all the credibility someone can POSSIBLY have outside of working for the fucking company directly. Literally what proof are you even asking for? Are you retarded?

What is the worst unit in the game?
It's Swooping Hawks

>>53954474
Really seems like a 10/10 grab bag desu senpai.

>>53954488
>superclean degreaser
Oh, I thought that was the same shit for some reason, I got the two mixed up. Superclean is actually what I use.

>>53954504
Not in 8th, cheap S3 spam isn't that bad

>>53954301
THANK YOU

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>>53954375
Yes, but they have deep religious significance. Some say that if you find an unopened pot of goblin green it's a sign that you're the chosen one.

>>53954504
fast movement, rapid fire 2, and bombing runs on infantry? they seem pretty decent to mee.

>>53954375
>being this new

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>>53954301
ere we go

Can Primaris marines wear regular marine pauldrons? I want to use the forge world minotaur pauldrons but I'm not sure they'll fit

>>53954175
it's not unlikey that their cheapest mini is 10+ points

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>>53954466

These no-model assholes. Kutlakh's unique aura buff seems pretty boss.

>>53954451
Drop on shuri cannon to shuri catapult or drop one bike and upgrade one shuri catapult to cannon.

>>53954308
Being young is hating this model.

Getting old is realizing it had character.

>>53954504
Chaos Marines

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>>53954561

If this didn't start at BS2 I'd be fucking furious about the -1 to hit.

So what is the most fun army?

>>53954590
The one with the lore you like

>>53954583
>necrons within 5" have a 5++
>but on a 4+ they get raped when it dies
10/10

>>53954590
The army that causes your opponent the most visible distress.

>>53954563
There's a 2 point difference between Shurikcannon and Shuricat bikes now.

Anyway, it's not a real example so who cares.

>>53954542
oh please, I love old ass figs and have tons of the 2nd ed grots myself. doesn't change the fact that they are impossible to kitbash in that pose.

I go out of my way to find older figs sometimes, I just got a RT era painboy in the mail for my army.

>>53954233
>>53954273
Those things are on ebay all the fucking time. They aren't rare or expensive.

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>>53954583

And the numbers.

>>53954534
>>53954524
>Cheap
>17 Points Per Model

>>53954561
Kitbashing time fuck yea

Points please, if it's not too much trouble.

>>53954627
thanks a lot anon, there's a lot of stuff in here i forgot

>>53954301
Are you posting one page at a time? Why not just upload the whole fucking file to MEGA or something?

>>53954390
I want to be marines only. How do I competitive? Teach me, I'm a magic player.

>>53954650
Why don't you post it to mega?

>>53954627
nids nids nids nids nids (please)

>>53954610
>>53954610
Which army generally accomplishes this?

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>>53953058
Someone gimme a real answer please

How are Custodes this edition?

>>53954691
Useless.

How did the forge world marine chapters turn out?

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>>53954627

Dinobug points.

>>53954691
They only have three units, but the basic troops are the best basic infantry in the game model for model. Also expensive as fuck, naturally.

Can you post the dark Eldar stuff next? Literally just two datasheets

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>>53954418
>Vulkan has nothing to ride in
Is that a big problem?
>The ironclads are too slow to be all that useful
Are they really? They seem like they're good models, whats the issue with them? Will they just not survive long enough to walk into range? I could always get drop pods for them.
>Aquire some razorbacks or rhinos for the marines, put vulcan in one of them.
Alright I guess, I do like the Dreadnoughts though.
>Give the damned a meltagun, not a flamer.
Eh, the model comes with a flamer, I'd have to get a new Legionnaire or convert a tactical to fit in with the squad with a melta. They're metal Legionnaires that I own,
>Add one more thunderfire cannon.
What should I cut from the list to put another one in?

>>53954704
Tau section pls

>>53954691
Still an underdeveloped incomplete army. Nice enough to put in any other Imperial army, lack an HQ choice (and ... any options really) to really be a army that stands on its own legs.

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>>53954704

Football hooligan points.

>>53954671
Presumably because social DRM exists. I don't actually know if GW uses it, but considering they publish a ton of ebooks and it takes forever for them to serve you a download I personally assume they do.

>>53954704
>Malanthrope is 90 points
>Dimacheron is 200
EVERYTHING WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED.

>>53954704
>Malanthropes are only 90 points

So the Tyranid passive is just -1 to hit at all times then?

>>53954703
>People still asking about Chapter rules

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>>53954729

Drow points.

>>53954623
I never said neither. Just confused as to why some kid had them. I am happy to have them though.

>>53954621
I agree, the Grots are hard to modify because of that pose... but I basically got them for nothing, so I'll be happy to use them in any regards. Same with the old CSM models.

I have 2 old CSM rhinos, so to have some 2E marines to put with them makes me smile. They just need a lot of work.

>>53954689
8th is young, you may have to discover it for yourself.

>>53954698
>>53954712
>>53954726
I see. Was hoping to put together a low model count infantry based army but I might just wait

How are Black Templar? Would a squad of Custodes in a Black Templar army be too out of place? I really like their look

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>>53954744

Chill dudes points 1/2.

>>53954738
Basically, yes. At 90 points there is no reason to take Venomthropes over the Malanthrope.

>>53954768
Nah, they both love the emperor, right? Go for it I'd say.

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Nids

>>53954704
>Malanthropes and stonecrushers cost fucking nothing

I have a game coming up against a Tau player. What's the best way to handle this with Space Marines?

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>>53954773

Chill dudes murder devices.

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What I've learned so far from AM index:
>quad mortars are still fucking terrifying, with 4D6 shots each
>Elysians deep strike. Everything you see in their list plus the Taurus just appears in front of you (unless you use matched play rules LIKE A BITCH then only half of them do)
>a random militia officer has the most powerful vox system in the galaxy
>also always pick Tzeentch as your coven, overwatch on 5s is great when you only hit on 5s in the first place

>>53953983

Simple green will eat through super glue yes.

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>>53954792

Asthetic losers.

Okay now taking requests for specific pages, cannot guarantee fast posting speed.

>>53954807
I feel like that's a typo.

>>53954554
Heads and shoulders were made the same size for this reason specifically, so ues

>>53954812
All the Tyranid units profiles please.

>>53954812
DE page please

>>53954554
Anyone?
Also, what are the chances Forge world brings back the Minotaurs brass and transfers?

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>>53954807
>shout so hard the heretics on the other table gain your leadership too

>>53954807
Please more. Please. I have like 4000 points of AM renegades and ordered the physical book. I need to know what I can use/organize.

No Guard leaks?

>>53954502
>Shill Shill Shill
Alright faggot, if they are actually playtesting (Which they didn't, they merely tried to break the game) then why does a lord commisars power sword do 0 damage? Why does the tervigons massive crushing claws list it's ap as 3?

Because these faggots didn't read everything, which is playtesting 101.

>Their articles are literally posted on the community site
And they were BOLS tier shit bloated by meta tourney talk that only autistic man-children would care about rather than actual useful info.

>They're not making shit up
>they have all the credibility
No proofs of any of this.
God damn you're dense son. Seek help.

>Are you retarded?
Ayyyy and there we go. No content, no proof, just attacks. Thanks for playing.
>>53954718
Yea, vulkan isn't really going to get to melee by walking around all that easily.
Ironclads can work, but considering you have the lascannon dread, you might do better with two lascannon razorbacks instead of him.
You can always cut the damned legionaries, though you may not wish to.

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>>53954820

>All

Will not post Nids at all for next 5 page uploads due to anon's greed.

>>53954821

There is indeed only one Drow page.

>>53954623
Unpainted 2E plastics aren't that common.

>>53954812

Pls share Irillyth and his shadow spectres. I beg you.

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WHICH AND WHY?
>inb4 the grey one

Hierophant:
M: * WS: * BS: 3 (oops misprint)S: 10 T: 8 W: 50 A: * Ld: 10 Sv: 2+

35-50+: 12"/3+/6
20-34: 9"/3+/5
5-19: 6"/4+/4
1-4: 3"/5+/3

Dire Bio-cannon: 48", Macro 6, S:10 AP:-2 D:2D6
Bio-plasma Torrent: 8", Pistol 2D6, S:5 AP:-2 D:1 Auto-hits
Lashwips: Melee/ S: User / AP:-1 / D:2 3x hits per attack.
Monstrous talons: Melee/ S:x2 AP:-5 D:2D6

5++
Death throes
Titanic with shooting out of combat with infantry.
Incendiary Ichor: 4+ MW to enemy if suffered wound in fight.
Swarm incubation chamber: Transport 20x Stealers, Gants or Gaunts OR 6x Hive Guard, Tyrant Guard or Warriors PLUS 1x Prime or Broodlord.

Scythed Hierodule: PL:22
M: * WS: * BS: 4+ S: 10 T: 8 W: 22 A: * Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

11-22+: 12"/3+/7
6-10: 8"/4+/5
1-9: 4"/5+/3

Massive talons.
Bio-acid spray: 8", Heavy 2D6, S:6 AP:-2 D:D3 Auto-hits.
Agile: Advance adds 6" move.
Death throes.
Titanic as usual.

Barbed Hierodule: PL:22
M: * WS: 3+ BS: * S: 10 T: 8 W: 22 A: * Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

11-22+: 12"/4+/5
6-10: 8"/5+/4
1-5: 4"/6+/3

Bio-cannon 48", Heavy 6, S:8 AP:-2 D:D3
Massive talons
Agile: Advances add 6" to move. 3D6 charges discard lowest.
Titanic: Can shoot over Infantry if in combat with them.
Death throes.

Stone-Crusher Carnifex Brood: PL: 5 (1-3)
M: 7" WS: 4+ BS: 4+ S: 6 T: 7 W: 8 A: 4 Ld: 6 Sv: 3+

Bio-flail: Melee S:User AP:-1 D:2 Hit rolls= number of enemy in unit within 2".
Wrecker Claws: Melee S:x2 AP:-3 D:D6 Re-roll wounds Vs Buildings + vehicles. 2 pairs= re-roll hits as well vs same.
Chitin rams: 4+ 1 Mortal wound on enemy within 1" after charge. D3 to vehicle or building.

Harridan: PL:32
M: * WS: * BS: * S: 7 T: 7 W: 30 A: 5 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

16-30+: 30"/3+/3+
10-15: 20"/3+/4+
5-9: 15"/5+/6+

Same cannon as Barbed Hierodule.
Massive talons.

Frenzied metabolism: Suffer D3 MW to add D6 S to cannon for a turn.
Sky attack: D3 MW to a unit it flies over (not characters).
Titanic: Same rules for infantry in combat.
Death throes.

Transports 20 Gargoyles.

>>53954869
>space marines
Literally whatever.

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so is sanctus reach a warhammer simulator for the computer?

I'd like to see or characters, please?

>>53954790
Land Raider with a decent melee unit inside and your Captain. Honor Guard are good.

>>53954807

Any lore in the AM index?

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>>53953983

>>53954878
No, not even close.

>>53954807
dude please please please can i see the griffon mortar carrier

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>>53954845
Oddly, cultists are the more elite option, hitting better. They cost 5 instead of 4 points so it must be intentional.

>>53954807
Please don't paste the AM index page-by-page, it's like twice the size of the others

>>53954812
stonecrusher please.

>>53954880
Give the Honor Guard relic blades and laugh as the taufag turns purple with rage.

>>53954807
Valdor Tank Hunter please?

>>53954835
yeah they fit m8 and part of the primaris deal was revamping dead/dying chapters so you might be in luck

>>53954301
If you post the epub I can convert to PDF.

>>53954858
Thanks anon, glad to see the Tantalus can be in a Haemonculus Coven and get Toughness 8 like I was hoping

>>53953089
It's become the norm at my local store purely from the fact that people don't want to waste our time making lists for pick up games. Points will still probably be used for events but everyday play power levels are winning locally.
At least till they all fine tune lists in list building apps then who knows.

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Okay so a friend let me read his rulebook today so I'm probably not remembering it clearly, but from what I understand, during the initial set-up of the board and models, it goes like this:

We roll off to see who will set up the first model,
then we take turns alternating putting a unit down on the board.

If this is true, and choosing to place a unit in reserve counts as "placing" a model, then if I have half my units in reserve, can I just have my opponent place most of his army on the board because I'll be choosing to start a unit in reserve whenever it's my turn to place a unit, until I run out of units who can deep strike?

If this is legal, is it a cheese-dick thing to do?

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Is Shrike any good in this edition?

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>>53954704
Please God, let Stone-Crushers hit on 4+...

>>53954908
Happened to me the other day when my fleshtearers wiped a taufags army by turn 3.
>He actually said it's not fair he can't shoot me off the table turn 1 anymore.

>>53954429
Wait, so WW are worth taking now? I love their model

>>53954900
dude if you upload the index ill name my first hamster after you......

would have offered my firstborn son, daughter and dog but theyve already been promised

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>>53954852
>you might do better with two lascannon razorbacks instead of him
Two lascannon razorbacks instead of the venerable or instead of the Ironclad?

>You can always cut the damned legionaries
I never really planned to use them before, I just bought a big box of Marines from a friend for $100 and they happened to be in it, so I figured I might as well use them.

>>53954891
please explain

>>53954951
Yes its perfectly legal and not a cheese dick thing to do but it does give you an advantage as you can counter deploy more easily.

Is the malanthrope really 10 power 90 points? That's hilariously stupid

>>53954953
Well jump troops shouldn't be so cucked by bikes anymore. Go for it and report back your findings.

Bets on vendetta points? 300+?

>>53954858
Cool. Tantalus seems great with it's 32 inch move.

>>53954953
Why would you put a storm shield on a model with a plasma gun?

You can't save the gets-hot wound. You want the storm shield guys punching skulls in melee.

>>53954951
Yes it's legal, but I wouldn't do it outside of a tournament or similarly competitive game.

>>53954974
The mechanics are totally different to 40k mechanics.

>>53954986
If anon was correct its 230.

>>53954858
>12 S8 -3 D2 shots
>36" move

Guess that's why is 350pts

>>53954911
>>53954819
Thanks, I guess I'll just have to hope they bring back their Minotaur stuff

>>53954986
It's 230, £8 bet

So what's the best loadout for tac squads?

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>>53954812
W-whw-where are my malevolents?! I was a Corsair player and I lovingly converted up 25 of them...

>>53955010
No real best, depends on what you want them for.

I go Missile Launcher/Plasma Gun for versatility.

>>53954872
Hierodules seem usable now. Nice. Do Wrecker Claws not get a -1 to hit? If not there's no point in taking regular Crushing Claws ever.

>>53955018
there are no HQs either.

Looks like we might be able to do everything else the old list did except for transports.

>>53954951
It's just the sensible thing to do any time you're using a large quantity of reserves.

>>53955018
Corsair players got dickslammed desu

>>53954900
Can I have the regular squiggoth please?

>>53955010
Gravcannon, plasma gun, powerfist and plasma pistol on sarge.

>>53954429
How did Whirlwinds make out this edition?

Also curious about Landspeeders.

t. oldfag getting back in

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>>53954900
Mate, I'd love for you to upload the index for renegades.

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>>53955058
>powerfist and plasma pistol on sarge
BEEP BOOP FUCK THE HERETICS.

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>>53955049

>everyone here told me just start Corsairs when I was asking for new deldar advice during 7th
>now Corsairs are fucked
>tfw stuck with Deldar
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>53954971
Sorry, wasn't specific.
The venerable with it's two lascannon shots could be two razorback with a total of 4 lascannons shots.

How are militarum tempestus in this edition? Good?

>>53954812
Wraithseer please

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>>53953058
i made this

>>53954773
>>53954784

>Y'Vahra is 395 with weapons
Nice

>Manta is over 1800
Oh god, it really is going to have crazy stats

>>53955148
A galaxy so nice it lets you die twice.

>>53955141
Pretty nasty, the Taurox is very undercosted.

>>53954900
So do R&H have the same rule as GSC where they can take whatever from the AM list?

>>53954812

Requesting Tau
I appreciate this, so no rush. Take your time

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>>53955163
i didn't make this
But i get the feel that little timmy there grew up to be a nu-gw writer

>>53954738
>>53954775
But.. They're 200 points I thought?

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>>53955188

>>53955141
Basically the best units in the index.