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Muh Dudes are Muh Girlz edition.

Previous Thread: >>53945494


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>>53947873
Plastic bignid when?
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1st for Dread Mobz
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I'd come at her.

If you know what I mean.
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How do you guys think this rule will play out for the kriegsmen?
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>>53947933
we have it. Its ignore shooting casualties to morale
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>>53947933
anon said in the other thread

basically ignore shooting casualties for the purpose of morale
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Smurfs are best army y/y?
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Imperium index 2 page 124:
>The Custodian Guard typically deploy straight into battle via the most blessed of teleportarium arrays, appearing in a blaze of pure white light to strike with the force of a lighting storm
>Custodian guard does not have deep strike
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>>53947948
>>53947947
>>53947933
That's seriously good. It means Kriegers don't need commissars at all, outside of close combat.
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>>53947948
>>53947947
Oh thanks, didn't see last thread
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>>53947973
Nice copypasta
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>>53947969
MOST PLAYTESTED EDITION GUIZE!
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Hell Talon Bomber rules?
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>>53947973
Show me on the doll where the kriegsman hit you with a bayonet
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcHS2FKQUWsf

The first sisters battle report I've actually seen. Vs an ork horde with cool kommandos.
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What's the best knight to deal with tau in 7e, I know my opponent will definitely have a stormsurge and a supremecy suit

Errand? Atrapos?
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>>53947933
I'm gunna miss them respawning and endlessly marching to the death towards an arbitrary objective of their choosing.

Not that I'll ever be able to buy an okay sized DKoK army ever anyway.
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Alright, been wanting to get into 40k for a while, might as well do it with a new edition. Is the list alright in general? The other thing I'm unsure about is the Terminator loadout so any advice on that would be much appreciated.
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>Vulture gets 40 shots

Welp. Time to convert one, since the FW model looks like hammered ass.

Thinking of doing a single tail version with ducted tilt rotors. A bit like pic related.

Thoughts?
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>>53948005
>7th
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>>53948016
Shit, krieg lost the forlorn hope?
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>>53948029
Last game before we head over to 8th
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How likely am I to get tabled with this list? Can this be salvaged?
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>>53948040
I dunno, sounds like it?

Seems like an important thing to leave out in a faction focus and I don't think the leak anon mentioned it.
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>>53948005
Any knight can beat tau if you can rush them in CC. Just bring some heavy bolters to kill their few screening units first, and something else threatening so the knight doesn't get blasted off the table. (This wouldn't matter if you played chaos. The LOS is both unstoppable and indestructible. Storm surges eat khornate dick.)
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>>53948005
How many pts? And you're ignoring the old ITC "one LOW" restriction? What does the rest of your army look like?
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>>53947989
270 points.
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>>53948050
So whats actually been leaked that we dont already know about?
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>>53948020
Biggest problem I see is model count, your infantry will have problems weathering massed small arms fire and holding objectives, then you're going to need more shooting to get rid of enemy troops
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>>53948050
Well damn, I guess I'll have to wait until the book cones out.
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>>53948020
I'd go with plasmas and claws on terminators. And Talons really, really need a sorc to cast warptime on them. Maybe a DP, if you want.
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>>53948021
Where is that confirmed?
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>>53948048
This is mostly fine. Theres no need for the chaplain though. Maybe drop him for a rhino to put a tac squad in.
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>>53948052
Wait nevermind you meant 7th. What I said was still true, save for the LOS part. (LOS is dogshit in 7th). Atrapos is your Knight/storm surge killer
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>>53948061
Yeah it's gonna be Saturday, non of us could make it on the release week

So any tips on the best knight Vs tau please? :)
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reposting from the old thread:
just got back from Warhammer World, answering anything I remember about both unreleased indices.
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>>53948104
Vultures, Vendettas and 'Cult of Sacrifice' Krieg rules please.
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>>53948020
Will be overwhelmed by bodies/10
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>>53948104
Anything on the Renegades and Heretics?
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>>53948066
Custom orders, said one makes lasguns pistol 2.

Not sure if anything else was mentioned other than that they can take some guard units.
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>>53948058
Using the admech war convacation, it's 3k
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>>53948104
TELL ME ABOUT KREIG!
WHY DO THEY WEAR THE MASKS?
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>>53947919
What did he mean by this?
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>>53948020
Lightning Claws and Flamers
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>>53948122
I think he said he's a heretic?
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>>53948104
Stonecrusher fexes plzzzzzzzzzz
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>>53948120
LOTTA LOYALTY FOR A HIRED ARMY
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>>53948120
(UUUU)
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>>53947993
Anyone know what models those flamer sisters with the weird helmets are?

Look pretty damn neato.
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>>53948095
Ok good idea, I really could use some armor for this list
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>>53948073
>>53948082
Appreciate it! I probably should cut the Lascannon Havocs at least, maybe the Chosen as well, to get something better suited to clear out infantry instead.
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Forge world Guard index when??
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>>53948104
Avenger strike fighter rules?
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>>53948142
Don't listen to this anon, he's lying. Unless you can cast warp time on terminators, your flamers ain't doing shit turn 1. Same with melta. Plasma is the best bet, and for that you need a lord.
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>>53948189
This was the incorrect picture
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>>53948085
Anon at warhammer world who got a look at the index. He didn't get a photo.

I'm not buying any bits until I get the off, but I'm brainstorming.
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>>53948187
Oh, and probably swap the Lord out for a Sorcerer for the Warptime.
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>>53948200
What model is that
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Going through my old orks, realize I have two trakks, and 1 buggy, with a bunch of bits I could easily turn into another buggy. The one buggy is almost completely done (I painted it in the 2nd ed days), so I'm for sure doing it, but either buggys or trakks pretty good for their price in 8th? I have so much shit, I just want to know if it should be a focus at all.

I got 6 deffkoptors which I'm sure to focus on, they look really nice rules-wise, though pricey.
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>>53948110
>>53948120

Vendetta is 230 points, with 6 lascannons and full transport capacity as you'd expect. I didn't catch the vulture's stats, but I did see the dual punisher variant gets the full 40 shots. Same statline as the russ's gatling cannon.

Cult of Sacrifice = ignore shooting casualties for morale. Krieg also get a different set of orders, one makes lasguns pistol 2, one make them attack once in melee even if they die. I think the other five are vanilla AM orders. They can take anything artillery from normal AM and give it DKOK as the regimental keyword, and have their own options as well, including grenadiers which are still troops and have carapace armour and hotshot lasguns.
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>>53948120
to operate in any toxic environment
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>>53948187
Swap some lascannons for rocket launchers. Chosen are decent, but if you want plasma- go with terminators.
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hows the vendetta looking?
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>>53948104
R'varna, if you know anything about it.
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I kind of want to run a full on Eldar Spirithost,especially now that it's not D-cheese. Spiritseers, Wraithguard, Blades, Lords, Hemlock, maybe a Knight (maybe not).

Will this list be fun to play against or will my opponents hate me?

Will it be any good or is it too low model count to play?
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>>53948119
I'd actually recommend the Acheron then, simply so you have at least one cover-clearer for flushing out Markerlights and stuff (though the Drone Net will be problematic.). Use whatever Dragoons you have to tag units with Phosphor to help get charge moves off, and Grav Destroyers to tear holes in his Taunar.

Sicarans can actually tear up his Stormsurge, since it can't overwatch, you have Dunestrider, and you can cast Canticle of the Fist/get Furious Charge off so you wound it on 2s and ignore armor.

If you ally with any tanks, make sure they can outflank. Having tankshockers to clear a road through bubblewrap helps and can be worth sacrificing them.
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>>53948016
What's that screenshot from?
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>>53948213
Mother of god. You made my day anon.
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>>53948243
Tabletop Simulator. It's a physics/game engine, and there are tons of 40k models up for it.
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>>53948213
Anthing unexpected? Like, new rules for unreleased stuff? I dare not hope, but Custodes shit for 40k would be really nice...
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>>53948148
Didn't see the stonecrusher, sorry.
>>53948117
They can give certain AM units Chaos and R&H instead of Imperium and <regiment>. Still have random leadership. Some v powerful psychic powers, one gives all R&H infantry in 6" re-rolls to charges, hits and wounds in CC, but it's WC10 and does mortal wounds to each affected unit in the end. They also have a stronger smite that you can target but is only 12" range and WC6 instead of 5. Their psykers come in covens of 5+, and you can roll 3d6 for psychic tests at the cost of dying a bit.

Renegade marauders pass LD on a 2+ always, but if you roll a 1 the whole squad flees. They still get spawn as fast attack. 3 different troops, cultists, infantry squads and mutant rabble.
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>>53948215
That sounds like a good idea. Missile Launchers seem more flexible and can actually do stuff to infantry as well.
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Pask in Punisher or Demolisher? BS 2+ makes me wanna try Demo for the damage since I plan on having Vultures. Pretend the Tank Commander is Pask for +10 points.
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>>53947993
literally every sisters player is a tranny
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So are Krieg good along with the rest of Guard now?
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>>53948120
No one cared who they were untill they put on the masks
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>>53948243
Tabletop Simulator. It's a 2000pt game I played against a friend a long time ago. I brought something like 180 models and had just as many deaths but still half that on the table at the end.

It made me really really want a DKoK army.
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>>53947970

Fluffwise, Kriegers don't need Commissars at all either, save when they have to be strongly encouraged to make a strategic retreat.
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>>53948120
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>>53948264
Nothing custodes. They gave rules to the Tau engineering drones - they heal a nearby battlesuit unit for D3 wounds a turn. Might be strong with LoW suits? Idk, not a tau player. The Tau'nar is like 1.2k points now, so closer to a Warhound than a knight - I think that's new?

The Dominus STILL has rules even though there's no model for it, yet they can't give the orks proper rules for half their shit -.-

Corsairs have a rule that lets them roll 2d6 for LD, but it's typo'd and says pick the highest so it's actually terrible. I suppose that's not necessarily a surprise where FW are concerned.

The Marauder looks pretty great, especially the destroyer variant. RAW its Hellstrikes aren't one-use, so it effectively gets to shoot 6 autocannon, 8 krak-only missile launchers, two assault cannons and two heavy bolters a turn, all in a ~420pt flyer package.

The Necron pylon still have skyfire. At least it's only -1 vs ground units now, and the gun otherwise looks pretty sick.

Phantom titan is closer in cost to the Reaver than the Warlord, still have 60 wounds tho

The Tantalus and Reaper both look amazing if anyone cares about DE
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So say I wanted to start a Guard army. Should I go for DKoK or Tempestus Scions?
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>>53948318
Would play against/10
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>>53948104
Tell me about Marshal Karis Venner the DKK special character and the Death Rider Commissar. Do the Mars-Alpha Russ' have any interesting rules?
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>>53948297
Truth
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>>53948339
How much money you want to burn?
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>>53948315
One of my favorite stories, short, sweet, to the point.
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>>53948297
>>53948351
Nice samefagging closet tranny
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>>53948339
why not both ?
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>>53948339
DKOK
order some off of anvil industries or a chinaman
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>>53948357
Depends, I already have a DAngels and a Mechanicus army that I'm finishing up.
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What do you all think of this list for a 1250 tournament list?


[b]++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [14 PL, 221pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Knight Commander Pask [14 PL, 221pts]:[/b] Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolters
. Command Punisher: Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon

[b]++ Supreme Command Detachment (Imperium - Questor Imperialis) [27 PL, 598pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ Lord of War +[/b]

[b]Knight Crusader [27 PL, 598pts]:[/b] Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer, Meltagun, Stormspear rocket pod
. Rapid-fire battle cannon w/ heavy stubber: Heavy stubber, Rapid-fire battle cannon

[b]++ Supreme Command Detachment (Imperium - Officio Assassinorum) [4 PL, 70pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ Elites +[/b]

[b]Eversor Assassin [4 PL, 70pts][/b]

[b]++ Supreme Command Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [14 PL, 250pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Celestine [14 PL, 250pts]:[/b] Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

[b]++ Supreme Command Detachment (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [6 PL, 110pts] ++[/b]

[b]+ HQ +[/b]

[b]Cypher [6 PL, 110pts][/b]

[b]++ Total: [65 PL, 1249pts] ++[/b]
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>>53947987
>spelling word in le lolcat grammar
Is it 2007?
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>>53948104
Hades. Breaching. Drills.
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>>53948339
DKoK, IMO. But I really like the Death Riders, so maybe I'm biased.
>>53948342
The MA Russ has its own profile, so it does something special - but I didn't see what. Also skimmed over the Krieg characters, sorry. AM index is a fucking gigantic book.
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>>53948342
Someone said the Vanquisher can reroll misses if it stays still. Nothing more specific.
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>>53948379
Unfortunately I do not happen to print shekels for a living.
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>>53948339
Depends on your playstyle
Tempestus are fast and hard hitting flyers, Krieg are slow and hardy footsloggers

Alternativly theres the Elysian middle ground
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74H086S2iSg&t=0s

Thoughts on this Duncan, Death Guard colour scheme?

Seems a bit too clean.
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>>53948104
Anything on the new Corsair rules?
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>>53948392
They're S10 in close combat, d6 attacks that lower as it gets damaged. AP-4 I think. It does d3 damage, or d6 vs vehicles and buildings. Around 120 points including a 10-man engineers squad. I didn't see if it can still DS, but I presume it can.
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>>53948416
>hits like a Goliath Rockgrinder

Okay then!
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>>53948399
anon, one of the options was DKOK, you have enough money, or you're retarded.
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>>53948335
>They gave rules to the Tau engineering drones - they heal a nearby battlesuit unit for D3 wounds a turn.
Very interesting!
Do you recall the pts cost for the Y'Vhara?
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>>53947919
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>>53948201
What is the original picture representing?
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>>53948104
have anything on irillyth and his shadow spectres??
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>>53948213
Unique stratagems? Bonuses for going mono-army?
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>>53948414
Kind of disappointing - only 3 units, and they can't share transports afaict. They can get shardcarbines on the basic infantry guys now at least. The dissonance cannons are S5 D1, going up to S6 D2 or d3 (don't remember) with enough hits. looks like the three squads are 1 elite unit, one regular troop squad and one FA jetbike squad. They have the Aeldari and <coterie> keywords, so you can at least run them alongside other eldar?
>>53948438
I *think* it was in the 3-400 range, but I only got a brief look at the tau suits so that might have been something else.
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>>53948413
I honestly like it a lot. I figure it will be better for the plague marines with fleshy parts and armor gashes to make blood and ichor stains come out.

I also really dug the one he showed earlier, but I don't have any of their shit fluffwise. Kinda considering these fellas or the vectorium that constantly sings battle hymns for Nurgle but I gotta figure the right green for them.
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Just had my first 8th game. Went really well.

Was 50 power level, my T'au vs local Necrons guy.

Won in the end after using my last command point on the last turn to force Necron guy to reroll his save so I won the objective. Really think people are not appreciating command points enough.
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>>53948457
the delusions of wannabe rapists
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>>53948468
They're in there, but I didn't read the profile in detail, sorry. They had the books under the counter and the guy watching me was starting to get a bit impatient, otherwise I would have stuck around longer and memorised more.
>>53948469
Nothing I spotted, but there might have been something under the DKoK, Elysian or Renegade lists that I missed. They each had a full page of rules, powers, orders etc. Elysians get an order to make all weapons assault which seems pretty cool.
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I like primaris marines but I don't see where they have a place in my current Blood Angels army. They are all about shooting and they don't do much for my dudes otherwise.
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>>53948493
Don't reply to this guy. I took the (You) hit, don't let my sacrifice be in vain
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>>53948205

I also need to know.
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>>53948515
Challenge Accepted
>>53948493
Power Level is for retards
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>>53948335

>Tau can heal their suits now
Oh boy time to never not nova

Yeah, the I was expecting the big boy to be at least 1000 points
Guns must be great on him
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>>53948495
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>>53948530
We added up the points and I was only 50 points higher than him.

Made the game much faster to organise and allows more unit possibilities. Good stuff, not perfect for all but good all round.
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>>53948377

keep telling urself that
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>>53948335
>They gave rules to the Tau engineering drones - they heal a nearby battlesuit unit for D3 wounds a turn.
HELLLOOOO RIPTIDE
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Time to dust off my Tantalus baby!

But what to put in it?!
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>>53948377
>>53948377

Nice try.
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Anyone know any good places to play in Hampton Roads, Va.
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53948562
Ban evading.
Classic!
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primis marines look like shit
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>>53948335
>Corsairs have a rule that lets them roll 2d6 for LD, but it's typo'd and says pick the highest so it's actually terrible. I suppose that's not necessarily a surprise where FW are concerned.

Are you sure that's a type. I though corsairs were supposed to have bad leadership
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>>53948572
If the warlord is inside, ALL Drukhari in LoS get their LD as long as they're NOT in cover. So, probably a Succubus and Wyches, Archon and retinue or similar.

LD 9/10 Razorwing flocks, anyone?
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>>53948239
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>>53948581
Did you just alter the image?

How assblasted must you be for shitposting for 3 weeks straight if not more.
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>>53948595
>Newfag
Hilarious!
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I wonder what army the Shitsters poster plays.
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>>53948603
Fairly sure it is, because the rule has another downside attached that I don't remember and it's some you *may* do rather than being forced to do it.
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I've sold most of my guard off, but I think this could be a fun little 500 point module to add on to my marine list.
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>>53947873
One thing that bothered me about Sisters is just how boring their army is, especially the 6e incarnation. Quite literally, the army ultimately boiled down to:

5 Sisters, 2 Meltaguns, TL Multimelta Rhino, copypaste.

3 units get Ignore Cover & Scout, 3 get Heavy Flamers instead of Meltaguns.

Not exactly exciting. The question being, other than rebalancing the non-immospam options ("nonshit Seraphim"), how to make Sisters more varied? Thoughts:

>Repentia as Troops. Models get free fight attacks when killed.
>Sister Bastions: Bolt Pistol/Suppression Shield sisters. Think "riot cops", only they're containing Heretics.
>Ordo Prononatus Emissaries: "Those that prepare the way", aka Sister fedayeen. Get access to Stalker Boltguns, Democharges, and general "sabotage/disruption" options.
>Sister Unrepentant: A Repentia that just wouldn't die, and wouldn't find absolution, so they drugged her up on Frenzon and she dual-wields Eviscerators.
>Golgothan: The unholy mashup of a Throne of Judgement and a Dreadknight. Compared to the "fast rampage" of the Penitent Engine, it's more of an anchorpiece. Can field a Mega Bolter, Inferno Cannon, etc.
>Exorcist: Gets indirect fire. Maybe alter its profile so it isn't "yet another S8 AP 1".

Thoughts?
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>>53948607

An archon for sure but you've got 15 other seats anon, that's 3 squads of trueborn with 2 dark lances each (or 4 Blasters).
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>>53947933
I'm usually not a fan of the Imperium's casual waste of human life, but DKoK's awesomeness has transcended such base human concerns, all I want is to start a full conscript army of them.
>>53948016
Chinaman can make your dreams come true.

Seriously, some of the recasters have a better quality than FW.
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Is all boyz and gretchin viable this edition?
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Pask, gatling, HB x3, heavy stubber - 225

LRBT, HF x3 - 205 - squad of three

Manticore - 133
Manticore - 133

Scout sentinel, HF - 52 - squad of three

Shadowsword, LC x4, HF x4 - 644

How's it looking? LRBTs are for scoring/contesting, Pask is generalist killer, Shadowsword is a distraction carnifex, Manticores are just too good not to take, Sentinels are for the first turn burn'n'charge.
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>>53948621
have u ever used this site before?
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53948622
What is not giving (you)

Here have a you free of charge >>53948622
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>>53948021
Glad that was (sorta) confirmed. Personally I love the Vulture model, so I'll be grabbing 2-3 from Chinaman next time I get some money.
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>>53948214
>to operate in any toxic environment

DKOK confirmed 4channers
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I need something clarifying. If I take Yvraine in 1 detachment, I can take another detachment of Drukhari without them losing Power from Pain, right?
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>>53948335
>Corsairs have a rule that lets them roll 2d6 for LD, but it's typo'd and says pick the highest so it's actually terrible. I suppose that's not necessarily a surprise where FW are concerned.
corsairs always had rules for shitty leadership.

Do they keep reckless abandon?
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>>53948675
>responding by not responding
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>>53948104
What where the heavy artillery guns like? Are they just basilisks but less wounds and toughness?

Also what's the profile for a medusa
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>>53948205
>>53948519
What the fuck did I miss?
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>>53948335
>The Marauder looks pretty great, e
does it still have bombs?
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>>53948731

Shitposting, mostly. But also that image.
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>>53948757
NSFW
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>>53948631
Thats why we have allies . . .

Everything (literally!) you listed is already in another Imperium army.

You're welcome, I just fixed sisters for you.
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>>53948757
LOLINIDS
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>>53948654
Boyz yes
Grots maybe not
You NEED to have the runtherds in range or else you'll lose a billion to morale
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>>53948104
got a profile for the medusa's gun anon?
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>>53948104
Do eldar titans still have Titan Holofields? (do the superheavy tanks get them back, or do they still have their 4++?)
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>>53948770
this is kurt eichenwalds wife and you just gave my husband a seizure you asshole
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>>53948104
Do Elysians get anything special?
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>>53948753

Nope, just a basic Canoness.
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>>53948335

Please spoil how Griffon mortars are now
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>>53948757
Goodbye
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Meh getting very few (you)s.

So what about them battle report channels on YouTube, what do you recommend?
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>>53948676
I'll likely just get some Blood and Skulls pylons and swap out guns on a Valkyrie, that way I can swap between Valk, Vulture, and Vendetta as needed.
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>>53948742
Yep. Regular one makes 3 bombing runs a game - either 3d6 per monster/vehicle and 1d6 per infantry with mortal wounds on a 4+, or 2d6 per monster/vehicle and 10d6 max but 3+ for mortal wounds with the inferno bombs.

Marauder destroyer only gets the first bomb type, and only once per game instead of thrice. >>53948703
>>53948789
>>53948829
I believe so, but I didn't get a close look at them. I think the Colossus bombard has 3d6 shots at S6, but that could be the dominus and I'm misremembering. Sadly I don't remember the profile for a Medusa or Griffon. At least the book is out in ~6 hours.
>>53948644
That definitely works. I'm deliberately trying not to spam darklight too hard just to be a little different (which is why I'm so happy the reaper is good) but if from an optimization perspective 12 blasters running around in an actually-pretty-durable shell is pretty nasty.
>>53948822
They can take some AM and Aeronatica Imperialis units and replace the <regiment> or AI keyword with Elysian Drop Troops, which might allow for some flyer shenanigans? It's doable with all the navy fliers except the Marauder. They also get a couple of custom orders, one make all guns in a unit assault.
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>>53948822
They get to be one of the most elite armies in the imperium that is constantly thrown into the meat grinder and die gloriously
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>>53947900
DA DREAD MOB
GORILLAZ IN DA MIST.
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>>53948859

What makes the Reaper good? Isn't it just more dark lances?
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>>53948607
>LD9/10 razorwings

The Flock grows stronger!
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>>53948894
It's shootier than the Ravage per-point - at d6 shots for 150 points, and you can fuck over assault armies with the secondary profile potentially. Not a blanket upgrade for sure, but definitely worth a look.
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>>53948859

>sadly I dont remember the profile for a medusa or griffin


FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK
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>>53948201
GW official Armageddon plastics inc.
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>>53948859

>give all guns in a HWT assault
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>>53948940
I keep hearing that but how true is it? Can we expect them with the next Guard dex?
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>>53948474
Anything on how their jetpacks work in 8th?
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>>53948457
An analysis of the concept of sexual market value, IE: the value a person has as a mate for the opposite sex, which is lower for women (where youth is important for healthy children and multiple of them) and older for men (who are able to muster greater amounts of resources to provide for a mate and children.)

Basically, a blunt acknowledgement about the economics of relationships.
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>>53948930
>>53948810
Do eldar titans still have Titan Holofields? (do the superheavy tanks get them back, or do they still have their 4++?)
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Here is a list with every single model that I own. I have never played this game before and don't know what I am doing, and will probably scale it down to 1500 pts in order to start off. What should I make with these models in order to have a somewhat passable 1500 pt list? What else should I buy in order to make something optimal and build up to a full sized army? 2000 points is the standard, right?
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Remember any gun or stats on the taunar or manta?
I wanna hear the crazy
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>>53949000
>soul grinder

:)
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What faction should I play? I got the rulebook and the book smells great
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How's my meme list looking boys?

cant take my chapter tactics away you fuckers
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>>53948991
Interesting stuff. Im curious to explore this myself, especially since im taking a college class over Interpersonal Communication
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>>53948021
Anyone know where I can get some parts to do this?
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>>53949030
I really like the model. Are they that bad in 8th? I can deal with it I guess, and wait to see what the rules for Plague Hulks are like.
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>>53948894
>What makes the Reaper good
nothing
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Am I being retarded with my math or not?

A painboy costs 65 points, so in order to pay itself off it needs to save 11 wounds. Wouldn't you literally always be better off with taking more boys, or does his powerklaw/killsaw start to off-set the price when he's buffing multiple squads?
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>>53949037
By my dubs, play Word Bearers
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>>53949040

A unit can only be healed by an apothecary once per turn and you cant bring back wiped out units with the narthecium, so all it takes is one lascannon.
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>>53949037
>>53949061
By my dubs, play Warrior-heavy Tyranids
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>>53948859
Thanks fampai.
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>>53949010
Manta Heavy Railgun is heavy 1, S18 (or maybe S16) AP-5 2D6 damage. It also does 3 bonus mortal wounds on a high enough wound roll. I don't remember much else about them, aside from the Tau'nar being around 1200 points as mentioned. Funnily enough, the Orca might actually be worth a look this edition - it's only about 280 points, and holds 65 models - of which battlesuits only count as 2, so 32-suit bomb anyone?
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>>53949037
by MY dubs, play crimson fists
especially with all the ork supremacy this edition
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>>53949059
The value of wounds depends on the model that you're healing.
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>>53949071
I'm actually somewhat annoyed because I wish other AM forces could get Tauros and the like. I like them, but I don't want to play Elysians
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>>53949074
>32-suit bomb anyone?
3 suits are like 200-300 points so probably not
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>>53948930

So on the worst day it does 1 dark lance and misses, on the best day it does 6 and they all hit and you do 36 damage? Might have finally found a use for CP
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>>53949037
By my dubs, play Tau
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>>53949037
By my dubs, play Tempestus Scions!
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Heh uh...guys? No leman russes? No bombards? Guys? WHAT'S HAPPENING???
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>>53949037
Hear me, by my dubs, you shall play Sisters of Battle
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>>53949037

Dubs say AdMech
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>>53948959
ML squad suddenly matches the mobility of their sculpts.
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>>53949058

I think you're trolling m8
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>>53949111
Trips for Scions!
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>>53949111
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>>53949114

There's more than just that part
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>>53948680
That's not how this works.

You pick individual Eldar units and organize them in detachments. THEN you pick which of those gain the YNNARI keyword, on a per-unit basis. You can have Power From Pain units and Strength From Death units in the same detachment, the non-Ynnari simply do not benefit from Ynnari-only buffs.
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>>53949074
>the Orca might actually be worth a look this edition
the orca's always been pretty good

the real limitation is the fact that it's an out of production forgeworld model
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>>53949114
It'll probably just be listed as "it's exactly the same as the AM version, just with different keywords" that they do in other armies.
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>>53948785
Yeah, those two placed in the between the mobs take care of them, plus the big meks giving them all 5++ should help as well. One giant meat shield for the boyz to get there full strength.
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>>53949071
On the subject of the Tauros, it's only toughness 5 but for a vehicle it's super cheap, like power 2 or 3 for the smaller one and 4 for the larger.
>>53949087
All guard armies can take them now, idk if that's new.
>>53949105
That's about the size of it, yup.
>>53949114
They get access to most of the guard vehicles, don't worry about it.
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>>53949114
Maybe it'll just say you can take them anyway and they gain the chaos keyword like in aos? I doubt they'd fuck up that badly
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>>53949157
>All guard armies can take them now, idk if that's new.

Oh... nice.

They'll go well with my light scion Colonial Marine-inspired force.
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>>53948646
I don't think kriegsmen will get conscripts.
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>>53949074
>heavy 1, S18 (or maybe S16) AP-5 2D6 damage

Hm I'm not sure if that is good or not
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>>53949037
These dubs say grots only cuz
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>>53948104

What's the SOB Repressor like?
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Looking to get into 40k

Which faction plays most like islamic terrorists?
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>>53949206
Heretics & Renegades
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>>53949114
>Additional Rules p81
probably like Genestealer Cults: May take blah amounts of choices with the ASTRA MILITARUM keyword
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>>53949086
Fair enough, I should have specified healing pure boyz
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>>53949140
Uh no, they exact next page is questoris knights.
>>53949147
>>53949157
>>53949169
I fucking hope so
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>>53949206
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Boneswords or Rending Claws?
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>>53949197
Depends on what you shoot it at.

But honestly, sounds a bit like an oversized Vanquisher gun, and that's not a good thing. Closest comparison I can think of is the Volcano Cannon but that's heavy D6
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>>53949142
That's not how this works, and you're a retard. Read the rules: If you want any units that aren't Ynnari by default (so Drew Carey, Craftworlds, and Halequins), you need to make your army faction Ynnari. For your army faction to be ynnari, all units in it must have the Ynnari keyword.

So Ynnari armies are all or nothing. Either every single unit in every single detachment is ynnari, or none of them are (except the Yvraine, the Visarch, and the Ynncarne). You don't get to pick and choose. Also, sticking a haemonculus, mandrakes, or any of the other wrong units in the army will take away the benefits for everyone too.

>>53948680
What you can do is make your army Aeldari (that is the general eldar tag, like Imperium is for Space Marines and IG). If you do this, you can stick the Yvraine in any detachment with any other Aeldari unit, and the Yvraine will benefit from Strength from Death, but none of the other units will. Instead, those units will keep their default racial bonuses (battle focus, rising crescendo, Power from Pain).
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>>53949206

IG going heavy on deepstriking tempestors with melta and flamers
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>>53949229
Depends on the unit?

Warriors, go with Boneswords generally speaking. You'll get more milage out of them for what they'll most likely be fighting. Deathspitter/Bonesword Warriors are just good all-around troops.

On bigger things, I prefer rending claws with poison.
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>>53949206
Heretics or Gene Stealer Cultists

gotta steal that farm!
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>>53949224
You don't need to hope, I've seen it.
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>>53949206
An army with lots of infiltrating units I guess
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>>53949224

I mean that heretics can take AM units but just swap the faction keyword for chaos
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>>53949157
Anything on the Necron bomber or tesseract ark?
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>>53948644
No you silly billy, 3 units of scourges.
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>>53948060
The wording on all the bombs is atrocious, especially the last one.
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>>53949257
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>>53949206
Genestealer cults, followed by alpha legion.
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>>53949261
Are BS rules still there? Do they get orders? Anything like the purge or endless host?
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>>53949157
>On the subject of the Tauros
I don't suppose you know if the rapid fire grenade launcher is assault or heavy?
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>>53949238
You are incorrect.

You can choose any units listed, as ynari. The entire detachment doesn't have to be ynari nor do you lose anything by including non-ynari
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>>53948201
You know, I always found it odd that Armageddon guys have fancy Kraut names when the fluff repeats over and over that they're all hive dregs.
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>>53948339
DKoK so expensive but hell, if you've got cash to burn on double-hobby.
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>>53948530
I'm actually surprised people didn't jump on the rerolling opponents dice bait. Well done, guys.
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>>53948820
Lol
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>>53949346
Yep, confirmed for retarded, or inability to read.
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>>53949238
>any AELDARI unit can be part of an Ynnari army. Any unit that does so gains the YNNARI keyword.
>Any unit that does so
its a choice.
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>>53949403
what?
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>>53949404
If an Aeldari unit is in a Ynnari army, it gains the keyword. Tell me. How are you including Aeldari units in your battle without them being in your army?
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>>53949403
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>>53949424
DON'T TAKE THE BAIT YOU MORON
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>>53949435
But it's not even english
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>>53949320
No orders. I skimmed over HQs so idk for sure if there's anything like the old detachments, but I'm guessing no since GW have stated no faction-specific detachments in 8th.
>>53949332
No clue, but I have a hunch it might be able to fire heavy weapons as if stationary anyway.
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>>53949403
>xenophobic
XENOS GET OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>53949403
>xenophobic
PURGE
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>>53949470
>and where is the LGBTQ+ and POC representation?

Try looking int the Eye of Terror
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>>53949393
Are you retarded?

I know we joke about this often, but seriously are you retarded?

You can include several units from different armies into your list, as long as they share a faction keyword.
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>>53949310
The cult of the four armed emperor is a religion of peace, preaching tolerance and love for all beings.
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>>53949470
>no women
Give women
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>>53949458
Im guessing they took away the blood slaughterers and bloat drones from them too?
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>>53949231

Yeah, given the pricing on the Manta you'd want way more
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>purchased Index: Chaos
>expect lore and rules
>only get rules
WHAT THE FUCK
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>>53949485
I'm not joking when I say: seek help anon, because you need adult supervision.

Army refers to the list of units that compose your battleforce. Hence why we call them Army Rosters, the army rosters have "army faction" categories, etc, etc. Another way of looking at it, Army is the collection of detachments you bring.

So I repeat what I asked in: >>53949426
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>>53949273

Scourges can get in vehicles now?
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>>53949470
>no women?
Guard, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence
>LGBTQ+
MUTANTS
PURGE
>POC
Tau, Salamanders
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>>53949523
I don't know if your joking or actually retarded.
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>>53949486
>smash cut to the Patriarch with a bunch of preteen girls on his lap.
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>>53949470
Plenty of girls, the only all male faction is pretty damn miniscule, only a couple million in the whole galaxy. Half the Admech are female, some Guard, Eldar don't give a fuck, nor do Tau, Crons and a few others and a lot of factions are genderless anyway. Nobody gives a fuck about the sexual orientation thing, pick up a lasgun or a wrench and go do productive stuff.

Discriminating over human skin colour would probably be a BLAMming anyway for pointless inefficiency, and Salamanders exist. Again, nobody gives a fuck.
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>>53949545
I think you know I'm right (about everything, including your mental status) at this point, you just won't admit it because you're offended. So now you completely abandon argument, because you know you can't.

Please imagine I'm posting a picture of your most hated anime girl looking smug.
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>>53949520
>I have been living under a rock : the post
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>>53949561

wtf I love genestealers now
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>>53948104
Any word on corsairs?
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>>53949544
Why are you even responding
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>>53949520

All lore is entirely in the main rulebook
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>>53949583
go worship slaanesh you fucking heretic

also you can paint your sisters whatever color you want
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>>53949567
No seriously, nothing in the game supports your assumption. I'm amazed your brain went the direction it did, look into the BRB for a definition of army.
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>>53949583
nice job moving the goalposts idiot
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>>53949583
Your skill at being offended at nothing is impressive. You must have received the finest SJW training
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>>53949470
The point of the exclusion of minorities is to further 40k's satire of fascism and theocracy as oppressive and suppressive ideologies that bring about nothing but relentless war which literally brings about the destruction of humanity. Having minorities would only serve to humanise the imperium which detracts from its overarching point. In some fluff the emperor only sanctioned 11 or so 'strands' of humanity to be allowed to exist, a very obvious exaggeration of the nazi's aryan ideology.

This is probably bait though, but if it isn't you can be having this conversation in a far better place than 4chan
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>>53949597
Every screenshot I've posted so far supports my interpretation. You however have posted no actual rules, because no actual rules support you. Your intepretation relies on saying every faction is called armies, despite that never being the case in 40k, and "army" referring to your roster in every fucking edition.
>>
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
STOP
TAKING
THE
BAIT
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>>53949596
>>53949598
>>53949604
>Responding to bait this blatant
Please stop.
>>
How do we feel about painting more than just the trim in company colours? I.e. red pauldrons on imperial fists 3rd, gold backpacks on ultramarine 2nd etc
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>>53949643
It simply comes down to whether the model looks interesting as-is for me. If I think it looks a bit boring with the recommended trim done, I'll do some extra parts in the contrasting colour as well.
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>>53949123
Awesome fucking poses btw
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>>53949626
Hey retard!

It says you can choose any Aeldari. They GAIN the Ynnari keyword. Nowhere does it say they lose the fucking Aeldari keyword. All Ynnari are fucking Aeldari.

Get fucked.
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>>53949626
Are you joking, like legit? I can't tell.

That's army faction, not army. You take ynari as eldar and use the eldar army faction keyword.
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>>53949123
>Firewarrior Legs
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>>53949403
>muh progressive world
>muh I'm so retarded I still haven't figured out the Solar System is in the middle of absolutely fucking nowhere and thus base 10, meaning you can't build starships here
>muh guise we need to enslave everyone to build starships and get out of here before it gets hit by a rock or something
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>>53948851
Miniwargaming arent bad.(but they use PL and dont count pts)
Bols might be good if they finaly relize that plaing 8ed rules on space hulk map is fukining stupid and swarm armies always win.
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>>53949655
I painted all my sisters as a mix of black, indian and south american. Your move.
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>>53949655
Begone!
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>>53949520
That's why it is colled index and not codex.
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>>53949703
pics or im calling bullshit
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>>53949672
You're a moron and don't understand what's being argued.

You can choose any Aeldari unit to go into a Ynnari army, with some exceptions. All bikers and infantry in this army then gain Strength from Death and lose their previous special rules for being in other eldar armies (such as power from pain). If you don't want this to happen, then your army can't be Ynnari. It has to be Aeldari instead. But doing this means your units won't gain the Strength from Death rule. It's all or nothing.


>>53949673
You can, but then none of your units that aren't the 3 normal Ynnari units gain Strength from Death.
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>>53949695
What the fuck are you even talking about
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>>53949691
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>>53949703
>Acknowledges the superiority of darker skin tones.
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>>53949717
Why is it hard to believe? Vajello dark fleshtone and coat of arms barbarian leather make nice basecoats for poc skintones.
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>>53949735
Seriously, I don't know how to help you.

Are you new to 40k?

There is no refrence or definition to the key term "army" in the brb. You are making logic jumps for what that key term is defined as, but taking every wrong turn along the way.
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>>53949583
go play infinity

it's like, made by south americans or something, so you can get all the brown you need
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>>53949770
Are you implying that black people have to look a certain way or they're not black?
You racist piece of shit.
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>>53949735

Bruh, an army is not an army faction. I dunno what to tell you, but you can take a Ynarri detachment, a Harlequin Detachment, etc etc etc. Like, this has been discussed over and over.

Do you argue like this here because nobody will play you or listen to your bullshit at your FLGS?
>>
Well this thread is dead.
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>>53949807
Give it a bit until the forgeworld books drop, then we'll actually have something to talk about
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>>53949807
We hit bump limit anyway, leave it to rot.
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>>53949827
Its not dead cus folks aren't talking. Its dead because of bait.
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>>53949823
And facial features show up incredibly well on something smaller than the nail of your pinky finger, right?
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>>53949144
do non of the chinamen make one?
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>>53949805
Bruh, I've seen this debated over and over again, and /40kg/ is the only place that consistently pretends "army" means anything other than your complete list of units. Given the state of 1d4chan, I'm not surprised you people are this retarded, but still, it is disheartening to see such blatant waacfaggotry. I bet you're a wutang faggot.

>>53949792
Are you new? Have you even read the BRB? You know, the book that continuously uses the term "army" to refer to your complete list of units, in line with my interpretation of the rules? And never uses it in the way you're pretending to?
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I'm sorry I ever asked about Ynarri in the first place, I just wish you guys would stop fighting :^(
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>>53949857
There's no helping you.
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>>53949735
So, riddle me this, do you think you can only take Blood Angels if you want Blood Angels rules? Because no, you can take an Imperium list, have a Detachment of Blood Angels and a Detachment of Dark Angels and so on.
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>>53949807
I wish I had something 40k relevent to talk about.
My last game went really bad and I'm trying to come up with a new list, I have one but I cant test it out until Saturday so I've got two days of nothing to add to the general.

The only thing to do right now is endure the rampant fun posting and inevitable thread war that spawns from the inevitable 'troll OP' and easily trolled /tg/ newfags. They say back in the day /tg/ was the hardest to troll board but true or not that's definitely not the case these days.
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>>53949538
just says Drukhari infantry on vehicles, unless there's something that says fly cant get in vehicles. I've been tossing around the idea of giving mine venoms to keep them from getting shot. 3 ppm more but all the weapon options
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Retarded newfag here.
How does 8th edition work in terms of supporting FW or supplemental codexes?
I play Tau. Do I just not get to use my Riptide variants or Hazard Suits or Tetras?
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>>53949770
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>>53949871
The Blood Angels Chapter rules currently have no Army level restrictions. So you can mix and match with blood angels and any other chapter or imperial force with similar rules.

What a poor fucking analogy.
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>>53949886
No, nothing about fly. Some say jet packs take more space but if thats lacking than no. Scourges can ride now.
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>>53949827
How long we got
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>>53949910
>>53949910
>>53949910

Abandon thread for new one, its become bad.
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>>53949894
Litterally the barest investigation answer this.

FW: Xenos book is out in a few hours.
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>>53949903
Don't forget the Tallarn.
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>>53949310
>not TYRANNICUS AHKBAR
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>>53949403
You're a racist, sexist, bigoted piece of shit who should go die in a fire made by the intense heat of your own hypocrisy.
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>>53949895
The UK is 92% white, 4% asian and 1.9% black.

So really, painting one minority guardsman every two squads is perfect ethnic representation.

That and there are about a dozen companies making female guardsmen to mix in too. 's not hard to go full SJW with an army if you really want.
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How the fuck do you dumbasses fall for bait this obvious?

Is this what summerfags actually feels like?
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>>53949976
Stop feeding trolls.
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>>53949976
I had a squad of old pewter Catachans. I painted like 4 of them black. The sculpts just looked like black guys to me.

One white guy looked like Bruce Willis, so I painted him as such.
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>>53950022
fucking racist shitlord
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>>53949502
They have the chaos keyword so you can take anything like that no problem
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>>53949875

I'm torn between my 3 (4 but I've written them off this edition) armies, and I can't decide which I want to focus on. I'm also debating finally getting 2 more Dreadclaws, but I'm iffy about this this edition, and idk I don't know if I'm focussing on my CSM yet. I'd get them for HH, but HH is dead with 8th (at least here).
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>>53949886
>>53949538

I was about to say something about it only allowing Cult/Kabal/Covens units, but it does in fact only Drukhari infantry, though the fact that it specifies Incubi leads me to believe that was the intention. However, there is nothing stopping you from putting Scourges and Hellions into your Raiders and Venoms. In fact, the latter would be allowed even if it was limited to Cult/Kabal/Coven because they're cult units.
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>>53950298
Yeah I would probably hold back on Dreadclaws for now.
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>>53950432
Well, I can get them cheap from a good recaster, which has me excited. I'm almost thinking not deep striking the claw is a valid option.

Also since the claws are not true fliers anymore, I'm wondering if I should even bother with the flight stand now.
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>>53947873
Has anyone got the rules for the Malcador Defender?
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>>53949976
I went to Nottingham a few weeks ago and about 2 out of 3 people I saw were black and half the rest were muslim, what a fucking hellhole. I've never seen such filth and decay, literally and unironically like putting monkeys in charge of the zoo.
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>>53951012
About 3 hours until they're released, we think.
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>>53951012
Is the book even released yet for anyone?

If nothing else, I'll share something in about 9 hours when I wake up.
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>>53951152

Hp[e they don't take 2 days to leak like the marine one
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How much until SM codex?
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soo what the actual fuck is up with the IG/AM infantry prices? a conscript is the same price as a grot, and a heavy weapon team of three mortars is cheaper than a single lobba???

tell me im missing something


>playtested edition my ass
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>>53948335
the drones don't real vehicles?
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>>53952958
heal*
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