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Kytan rules anybody?

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what is the best Dawn of War game that I can buy right now?
pic related. also DoW II is going for 5$

I wish the Chaos Leadership penalties weren't spread out over all the different chaos gods. It'd be cool to run a Tzeentch daemons list that relied on leadership penalties to guarantee a mind control.

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To the leaker guy who saw the forgeworld books, did you happen to see the Thudd Guns?
I'm finally biting the bullet and doing Krieg this edition, I just wanna know what direction I need to go.

>>53949946
DoW Dark Crusade is best.

DoW 2 is good too IMO. All expansions and base. Its different though.

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>>53949944

>>53949944
What

>>53949946
Dawn of War 1 is considered the best by most people. Just get all the expansions.

Dawn of War 2 is alright. The campaign is an interesting experience, and Last Stand is fun.

I can't speak to Dawn of War 3, only that it seems to be wildly unpopular.

>>53949944
what ?

>>53949946
Depends on what sort of game you want.

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incoming faq

>>53949910
the nurgle characters in dark imperium are so shite

This thread is bad, let's go back to the old one and maybe we'll confuse the children.

>>53949967
>>53949966
>>53949973
Stop. Taking. Obvious. Bait.

So the "Bell guy" is worth it or not?
I have 20 poxwalkers and Plaugebeares so I was thinking he can help them get in to position.
Not sure if he work with deamons thou.

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>>53949944
Don't you talk shit about my Bee Lives, they dindu nuffin.

>>53949985
the models are fantastic but the rules are sub par

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When did they get rid of this model? It was one of my favorite sculpts but I never got around to buying it.
Feels bad man

>>53949985
Rules-wise? Yes. Their design is aces though.

>>53950000
He only works on Death Guard units, so your plaguebearers won't work.

Great for poxwalkers though.

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>>53950002
It's so frustrating that the Lord doesn't have a gun.

>>53950014
long long time ago, when the new meganob models came out i believe

>>53950000
Not really. Morale is silly this phase. Most armies have good ways to ignore it, and a leadership penalty of 1 only amounts to one more model slain if they don't ignore it. Wait until more leadership based abilities appear, like the Shadowseer's grenades. Right now you're better off just buying another unit to shoot things with.

>>53950002
>>53950019
well yeah they look great, currently painting the LoC
just a shame about the rules

>>53949904
There is no definition of an army in the brb.

What's more likely, Gw wanted to add a special limitation on an army that will reduce models sales needlessly or
Gw was too cheap to copy paste every eldar unit entry into the ynari section.

>>53950002
Caster is great, Lord is Typhun anyway, and Bell guy I dont know, it nice PW wepon in Poxwalker blob.

Where are my canoness veridyan rules GW?

WHERE ARE THEY YOU SHITS. She's still in the fucking webstore.

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>>53949980
>just released
>already requires TWO FAQs
Most playtested game ever?!

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>>53949997
>>53949973
>>53949967
>>53949966

>>53950000
Good quads btw

>>53950044
Actually, if GW wanted the Ynnari rules to behave like the Blood Angels, they could have just copy/pasted the blood angel rules and changed a few words around.

They didn't. They specifically chose to make the Ynnari rule an army wide limitation. Because that's how armies are going to work in 8e: You gain bonuses based on your army wide faction. The Ynnari are just the first of these bonuses, and you'll see more when codexes come out. I can't wait to see you argue though that Grey Knights can use whatever army exclusive chapter tactics Dark Angels get, you waacfag piece of shit.

>>53950088
>B-but we need FAQs!
>See? If I pretend to be retarded, the rules make no sense!

Any opinions on Hellforged Contemptor Dreads? I was thinking of doing some conversions on Calth models since they are only about $20 on eBay....

>>53950088
Well I'd guess so.

THey've changed so many things that this makes the changes between 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7 taken together look small.

You've probably got an advantage in 8th edition if you haven't played for the last few games even.

>>53950038
That bell guy cost like 50-60 pts, its not enough for shooty and Im taking Poxwalkers anyway.
>>53950032
I agree its weird he have no range wepon or even small aura.

>>53950088
Anon, doesn't the fact that they are doing that mean they actually give more of a fuck?

>>53950088
Still better than the overall lack of faqs we got in past editions. The price of a mostly fresh start is fresh problems.

>>53950032
What would he even do with it? He could either plink away with his crappy peashooter or get a copy of the Destroyer Hive, because I can't imagine a Nurglite terminator lord being centered around having a huge gun.

>>53950084
She's just a generic Canoness now.

>>53949945
look in the MEGA.

>>53950109
The Calthtemptor is garbage and more hassle than he's worth.

>>53950103
Yet you are the one trying to rules lawyer a wackadoo ruling with no bases in the brb.

No john, you are the monster.

>>53950133
GW A SHIT

I want to make a Drukhari list that is basically a Tantalus, a bunch of raiders and 3 ravagers. All the transports are full of melee units (incubi wyches and bloodbrides). The idea is to fly across the board and crash them into the enemy and then swarm them.

Is Strength from Death or Power from Pain better in this scenario? The only thing swinging it for me is wanted to take Drazhar, but the Yncarne making everyone fearless is also good.

>>53950122
>He could either plink away with his crappy peashooter or get a copy of the Destroyer Hive
Yet he has non of those and for some reason cosnt more pts than named character that is better than him.
If he had meltapistol or something I and many othere wuldnt be kinda salty over him not being Typhus.

>>53950157
I play Ynnari, and I'd include Haemonculous covens if I could, or pick and choose strength from death over power from pain, if I could. I can't, because that isn't the rules. Now fuck off with your nonsense. Army has, and always will, mean "the entire collection of units you're bringing to the battle".

>>53950107
Fucking this.

I honestly don't understand how this shit happens.

GW writes a rule and 90% of people understand it, but there's always that 1 in 10 dickbag who's too autistic to understand basic fucking English and instead chooses his own interpretation (usually benefiting himself).

I already had 14 dreads and I just bought the three pack of Blood Angels dreads from my LGS do I have a problem?

>>53950188
Still no definition in the brb, you waacfags are delusional.

>>53950195
who /wutang-clan/?

>>53950199
Yes. You dont have enough Dreads

Ran my all dread army for the first time today.

Leviathan took 22 wounds off a Wraithknight in one turn between shooting and punching, whilst some supplementary fire got the other two off.

>>53949980
This is great!

>>53950195
>too autistic to understand basic fucking English
>instead chooses his own interpretation (usually benefiting himself)
The call of (((merchant))) blood is to strong to resist.

>>53950165
Take drazher if you want, you lose nothing by taking him. Plus his death can still proc your ynari units soul bursts

>>53950195
just dont play with people like that and its not an issue
>>53950199
i have 10 dreads, i also bought the same pack
you have enough dreads if you think that you have enough dreads, after all its your army, who am i to decide whether you have enough ?

Dreadbros > Hoes

>>53950216

Shit you're right I should order that Mark IV ironclad I've had my eye on off forge world and make it a siege dread.

>>53950195
You have to point out the problems if you want them to be fixed. If 10% of your playerbase interprets your rules wrong, intentionally or otherwise, then maybe you should fix them.

>>53950195
Do you have some examples of this actually happening?

>>53950199

Your problem is you don't have any Redemptors.

could someone please clarify for me, for detachments, on page 240 in the grey box on bottom left, its saying i can mix and match any imperium forces in a detachment basically , so space marine HQ, IG troop and skitarri troop?
the last paragraph is confusing me, it says " if space marine captain is part of detachment, all other units must be from the imperium faction, OR they must ALL be from adeptus astartes."

if adeptus astartes are imperium also, why does it have that last bit?

>>53950165
It's a tough call. Strength from Death has a lot of utility, but limits your army selection. You can't take Drazhar if you get it, and Drazhar is amazing. You won't get serious benefits to your melee until turn 3 with Power from Pain. I think I'd lean for power from Pain though if you're going pure melee.

>>53950195
Ok, so tell me how to solve the problem in OPs picture without making up your own rules.

The fact is there is no way for a knight to get in combat with the infantry, this is a GLARING hole in the rules any experienced writer would pick up on and yet, it exists.
8th's rules are full of more holes than swiss cheese, it's totally unplayable without house rules.

Slaanesh Eldar are confirmed?

>>53950214
>>53950209 reporting in!

>>53950283
k, here is your (you)

>>53950103
>>53950157

Well, tbqh I would assume that Grey Knights get bonuses for being comprised of a detachment sharing the same keyword <Grey Knights>

The shit you guys are arguing about is open to interpretation and its actually hard to know the intent one way or another... since the term Army Faction and "army" are not defined. Basically it needs a FAQ and you all should just really stop worrying about it and/or avoid games with people that are hellbent on it being one or the other.

Like, its non-issue, games been out for 11 days or some shit. Wait for more info or if its a big deal for a tourney, just make sure the event organizer is ready to answer the question.

Any, gl and hf. But everyone should let it go.

>>53950245
>throw shit everywhere
>WOOOOWWWW
>LOOK AT HOW MUCH SHIT THERE IS HERE
>WHY ISNT GW FIXING IT???

>>53950266
Nothing in the index disallows you from taking drazhar, he'll be fine if he takes him.

>No New Zealand or Australia FW index ebook leakers this week either

The colonies were a mistake.

>>53950275
In that example the ruins are so low that the Knight's base can easily get within 1'' of the marine's bases.

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>>53950296
Army faction is defined anon.

>>53950308
Drazhar cannot be part of a Ynnari army, see the exceptions in the paragraph.

>>53950240
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>>53950199
Am I a Dreadbro if I collect Ork walkers?

>9 Dreads
>15 Kans
>2 Orkanauts
>1 Stompa

>>53950307
That is an unbelievably horrible and inaccurate analogy and you know it. Strawman doesn't even begin to describe it.

>>53950264
Because in the future there might be restrictions to get access to more specific strategems or bonuses, like a detachment with <Ultramarines> will get more bonuses then one with just <Imperium>, I wouldnt be surprised if Chapter Tactics only worked if all units in the detachment have a common chapter tactic.

Right now you can mix and match anything in a detachment as long as all units have a common faction keyword without losing anything because there is nothing to lose.

>>53950290
No, there's a redacted type of Eldar in the rulebook that looks chaos.

>>53950283
Wouldn't say confirmed, but maybe.

>>53950323
>>ded ard/10

Just finished Straight Silver and I gotta say, I fucking hate Lijah Cuu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEKB7pi1mbc

>>53950321
Drazhar can't be ynnari, but share a faction keyword. An army list can be comprised of models from multiple armies.

>>53950339
gotcha, thanks

>>53950323

Heck yeah, a deff dread bro, but technically still yes.

>>53950329
I recognize this writing style
You're that blood elf fag from /aosg/

Shoo shoo

>>53950323

I own 3 Wraithknights and 25 Wraithguard, am I a Dread Bro?

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>2011.41m
>Dork Angels show up
Spoiler]>Interrogation in the Rock tonight

>>53950283
Slaanesh Eldar have always been a thing on the Crone Worlds. Just look at the cover of Atlas Infernal. Or there's really old fluff that lists Eldar Daemon Princes, Eldar raised rather than devoured at the Fall as a reward for roles played leading to Slaanesh's birth, as among Slaanesh's most powerful servants.

>>53950373
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I don't even know what /aosg/ is.

But if your reaction to being called out for strawmanning is "you are x", which isn't even an argument, then you clearly aren't capable of articulating your point anyway.

ETA on imperial indexes?

>>53950283
Kinda, at least in fluff.
>>53950290
read rulebook.

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REEEEEEE

>>53950392
I can't tell if this is a high or low effort shitpost

>>53950361
>Drazhar can't be ynnari, but share a faction keyword.
Yes, he shares the Aeldari keyword, but not the Ynnari keyword. With a nonynnari unit in the army, the army can't be Ynnari. See army faction.
>An army list can be comprised of models from multiple armies.
Oh, you're the retard that thinks factions are armies, despite the BRB never using the term army in that way. Let me laugh, and then sum up your argument:

>The BRB consistently uses Army to refer to your entire collection of units
>However, it doesn't explicitly define the term army despite this consistent use
>therefore, I will assume army means something the BRB never uses it to mean, and justify my waacfag list.

Literally just as bad as the wu-tang clan.

>>53950411
3 hours 45 minutes to go till midnight in bongland

>>53950421
Thank you. Thats high praise

I have a question about how wounding works in 8th.

In the rule book it says "...If a model loses several wounds from a single attack and is destroyed, any excess damage is lost."
So say I fired a Heavy 3 gun at a unit, and the opposing player decided to allocate all wounds to one model. Would the 2 other wounds be lost since theyre not mortal wounds and dont have the "excess wounds are allocated to other models in the unit" since the heavy 3 doesnt cause mortal wounds? IE I fire a lascannon and roll a 4 for damage done, however since it doesnt cause mortal wounds, does that mean only 1 model dies?

And also, for this rule what is the definition of "single attack"? Does it refer to a single attack from a unit, or a singular attack from a model within that unit? Ie I fire 4 boltguns from a unit, do those 4 bolt guns count as separate attacks or a singular attack for the purpose of this rule?

>>53950415

Well there's your problem, not pirating shit.

>>53950396
>just look at the cover of Atlas Infernal
What abouth that cover is abot eldar? Czevak jacket?

>>53950435

Whoops off by a bit, didn't notice cause the captcha was being shit and kept failing to connect.

>>53950388
You're some kinda bro.

>>53950443
you allocate wounds 1 at a time, not in bulk.

>>53950431
Your a special kind of waacfag if you go this far to rules lawyer.

>>53950458
nwm, got better pic.
Eldar with horns. Got it.

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>>53950443
No, you lose excess damage. If a lascannon deals 6 damage on a one wound model, you lose the 5 damage.
If a Heavy Bolter's first hit kills a man, you lose the excess damage if any, but the next hit hits the next guy.

>>53950458
He probably forgot the actual novel cuts the picture off.

>>53950485
Considering I'm ruling against my own interests as a ynnari player, no.

>>53950220
PICTURES PLS, MY FELLOW BROTHER OF THE OMNISSIAH

HOW MANY DREADNOUGHTS DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE 14 DREADNOUGHTS UNDER MY COMMAND, INCLUDING ONE LEVIATHAN, 2 CONTEMPTORS, 1 DEREDEO, AND A CHAPLAIN DREADNOUGHT.

>>53950514
I doubt that, kys

>>53950431
Uhhh, no, the guy you replied to wasn't me. All I said was that it needs clarification and the bottom line is to just move on about the whole thing. Thanks for the definition of Army Faction, but I still think it needs to be FAQ'd as its going to cause a lot of chaos.

Can you at least see that it can be interepreted either way?

Also I don't even play fucking pointy heads. I was being non-biased.

I actually haven't played in a long ass time, but I'm not an idiot for thinking it can be interpreted either way and needs a FAQ.

>>53950518
I wish they would come out with variants of the deff dread, or FW would get off its ass and write new rules and new models

>>53950443
Pretty sure it means if you fire something with a damage characteristic higher than 1 at a unit comprised of models with 1 wound, each shot can only kill one model.
So like, a Heavy 3 Damage 2 weapon fired at a unit of 1 wound Guardsmen can only kill 3 guys maximum, not 6.
You'd allocate the successful wound from the weapon before you take the damage characteristic into account, so you put a single successful hit on a guardsman, it succeeds wounding him, he fails to save it, and then you check the damage, doing 2 to him. Since he only has one wound, that second damage is lost.

>>53950530
I do agree that it needs to be FAQ'd, but not because it isn't obvious. It's because there are some waacfag rules lawyers insistent on having their cake and eating it too. The same kind of people that think wu-tang was legit. These people will go to any level of ignorance to convince themselves they are correct, and it is for them that FAQs are necessary.

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>>53950564
>Pay to win meme

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>>53949946
DoW1 is great. Like all Relic games it has aged really well. It also still has an active modding and MP community. Get it plus all the expansions. I think you also need all the games/expansions to play all the factions in MP anyway.
Winter Assault is weaker than the base game IMHO. That doesn't mean its bad though. It adds Imperial Guard.
Dark Crusade is the best expansion IMHO. It adds Necrons, Tau and adds more units to other factions.
Soulstorm is not as good as DC and competes with WA for the worst expansion. (The Campaign feels unfinished and the Dialogue is TERRIBLE) but is where a lot of the mods moved to such as Ultimate Apocalypse which is a must play IMHO. It adds Dark Eldar, SoB and adds in flyers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4csrtUHiRYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnJH2scIVk


DoW2 is Good. I don't much care for it though. I've only played Retribution.

I havn't played DoW3. My roommate likes it but I've heard complaints.

Anyone with a Imperium Index 1 tell me how much a storm bolter costs?

2 points usually right?

How are Orks this edition?

>>53950320
Wrong.

The ruins are 3" tall and must stay on the ground floor.

>>53950574
No john, you are the monster.

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>>53950591

>>53950583
Seems space marine storm bolters are 2pts, so yup.

>>53950591
The GK land raider redeemer FW sells.

Four shots less than the twin assault cannon of a regular redeemer for just +1 Str.
Assault launcher that does 1 mortal wound instead of D3
Still costs more points than a regular redeemer

Start Collecting! Dark Angels fucking when?

>>53950588
Pretty strong. Along with the 'Nids it's a much more level playing field.

>>53950591
Still waiting on stats for 8e, but in 7e a pair of Remora drones is ~$44, and were fairly potent. Shas'o'Ralai was even cheaper and was potentially a beast.

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>>53950518

Here's ten of my guys. Still working on getting the paint started.

>>53950625
Would not be allowed to be sold in most of the US because they are so afraid of homosexuals.

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>>53950591
Because I would ask before fielding a FW unit against someone

>>53949910
I was being mocky and called it a 'Dolorous Plagueclanger'
And now his name is Dolores the Plagueclanger.
We love him.

So uh ... where's Grukk? Did he get swallowed by Ghazghkull?

>>53950485

Not samefag, but if someone showed up with a detachment of aeldari, and a detachment of conscripts and told me his army was aeldari-imperium I would tell him to fuck off.

Your army faction should only be one faction keyword. Take your head out of your ass and just play the dumb game.

>>53950275
It isn't a problem.
Terrain stops a bigger model from getting into melee with smaller model. This isn't a problem.

The Marines are hiding in a ruin so the big thing can't squeeze in and hit them.

The solution is to not have an army with no shooting and no infantry and no fly keyword on tables with terrain that prevents non-infantry grounded units from moving.

>>53950591
Remember all those super OP and expensive to build forgeworld armies in 7th edition?

Oh wait, they were almost all midling at best, but still way more expensive. Maybe the price of a model doesn't necessarily reflect it's power.

The only thing I would complain about is how certain armies get a hundred new toys while others get a handful, but whatevs.

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>>53950575
>Being told forgeworld a shit
>Not realizing forgeworld a shit
>Continuing to defend forgeworld

>>53950497
>>53950553
>>53950477

Alright, thanks for the clarification
Makes sense.

So heavy 3= 3 separate attacks, whilst Lascannon 1 D6 D=1 attack in essence.

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I think i'm going to get my shit pushed in, 7 troop choices at this stage too, 1 too many for those sweet +3cp.

Looks fun to play though (imo)

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>>53950681

>>53950664
But the waacfag is having issue with a battleforged army of eldar.

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>>53950681
Im not saying FW isnt shit, are you fucking dense? I just want more Ork Dread varieties.

Please fucking kill yourself now

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>>53949985
>Buddy

Why are there so many dreadnought fags all of a sudden

>>53949946
get all of them from g2a and just play online

>>53950574

Yeah, we have waacfags at our store, mostly the reason I stopped playing when 6th came out. I came back to the store for a pickup game and got tabled on turn 4 by two knights.

It was a 1000pt game.

So uh, resisting the urge to buy big plastic resin I have no idea who to start collecting right now. I sold all my Tau in 5th edition.

I don't want to waacfag, but I'd still like to place or have a good chance of placing top 3. Basically just not get shit on.

All I have are these dudes that were included in the Dark Imperium box.

>>53950014
I have one sitting unassembled.
It's impossible to get the spanna bit linked up to the kuffy gubbinz.
Fuckin' sucks man.

>>53950715
>Using g2a

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>>53950709
>maggotmancers
Who made that stupid shit up?

>>53950714
They don't have a local dark eldar player to show them the errors of their ways.

>>53950675

FW likes to pump out marines like GW
Nothing new, scraps for everyone else

>>53950564

>Pay to win
isnt the whole game pay to win technically?

>>53950640
I'm starting to really really like the Leviathan. Can I play it in 40k?

>>53950000
Drop an icon of fear as well and that's a whole three more models they might lose compared to however many they'd normally lose.

I mean it's basically three mortal wounds Or more on crymaris marines right? RIGHT?
IT'S NOT USELESS, RIGHT!??

>>53950742
Yes.

>>53950714
The real question is why are you not a Dreadnought fag, are you gay or something?

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Bring back the Shardstorm!

>>53950720
Orcs are toppest tier, with nids just behind them. Guard are pretty good too. I'd say the great armies that you can collect that nobody will accuse you of being a Waacfag this edition are:

Dark Eldar/Harlequins
Sisters of Battle
Necrons
Chaos Daemons

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>>53950714
>>all of a sudden
Objectively the best thing in 40k. 40,000/10, the thing that got me into the setting.

Hey anons, just rage quit painting Imperial Fists

Chucked everything in Dettol

Fuck me I suck

>>53950275
Is it a building? Tear it down.
Rest of scenarios is "schütt them".

>>53950759
Sisters of battle with repressors is going to be the new "op" soon

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>>53950692
>>53950705

>>53950675
>Price of model doesn't reflect power.
This so much this.
Even when the game was showing clear unbalance, even when rules were clearly being used to push a model, the cost of the model was based on what physical qualities of the model, not the rules.

Eldar were stupid shit unbalanced in 7e. Some of the most expensive models per points were shining spears and storm guardians. Because you needed to buy an extra upgrade kit.

Do you think a stratagem that allows you to reroll an enemies roll for 2 CP would be good/balanced?

>>53950752
You made me a happy man with 70 bongdollars less.

>>53950714
They've been shit on for two editions and have been forced to play "good" shit instead

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>>53950709
>adjective noun
>adjective noun
>noun adjective
They're sorcerers of the god of filth and yet their names are the most disgusting things about them.

>>53950759
What makes orks strongk?

>>53950778
No. They're great, but they're not overpowering. And most factions already had what repressors could do: an ability to move a lot of power up the board quickly.

>>53950786
No.

>>53950800
They're a horde army in the horde army edition, and also have the strongest ability to ignore morale, the horde army counter.

>>53950640

...Why have you base coated your leviathan's arms and your deredeo's missile launcher but not the rest of those models?

>>53950759

Man I always did have an eye for those new Harli models. Maybe I can trade some of the Death Guard I got with this box for em.

Okay you got me curious. Gimmie your tierlist, anon. Not that its hugely a tier list since this is all basic theorycrafting.

Also I figure the waacfag armies are Imp Knights, 1k Suns, pointy heads, and Tau?

>>53950664

That's not the issue, the issue would be if say, taking a DKOK regiment made all other units lose their bonuses if you took them with the DKOK list. So your ultramarine buddies become DKOK.

It's a very specific issue the Ynarri have. Although I'd prefer it the other way, I think the anon who says it overwrites the entire army it's right otherwise there would be nothing stopping me taking a footslogging list of Coven with the Yncarne, to completely opposing forces within the Drukhari fluff

>>53950432
Well, I can get them cheap from a good recaster, which has me excited. I'm almost thinking not deep striking the claw is a valid option. It's a 15" move flier that can assault. If I wait to deploy until the end, if can make my opponent think I'm deep striking it but instead set it up on my deployment, then I can cause a lot of trouble with a first turn charge they weren't expecting. Having 3 of them also sounds like a lot of fun for my Night Lords.

Also since the claws are not true fliers anymore, I'm wondering if I should even bother with the flight stand now.

>>53949946
Follow these steps:

1.) Buy Soulstorm
2.) Download the ultimate apocalypse mod
3.) Make sure the tyranids, daemonhunters, and chaos daemons mods are installed with it (come with the package)

You will have the most definitive 40k experience

How is the new edition?

>>53950709
>I laughed until I cried
>Then I stopped laughing
>But I kept crying

>>53950752
Can swolfs or bangles use it tho? The forgeworld index didn't seem to update their army list restrictions

>>53950714

I've got 8 boxnaughts, 3 Contemptors, 1 Leviathan.

I've loved Boxnaughts since the day the local GW store manager let me sneak a peek at the metal one coming out in a few weeks way back in the early ninties.

Now I can field them without playing "just for fun" and getting frowns from my opponent saying "really?"

>>53950826

I make a point of adding a Crux Terminatus to every dread I build, and also I haven't decided if I want to add any other little cosmetic touches to their bodies or not yet.

>>53950730

Should have been Maggoteers like Musketeers jmo

>>53950759
>Sisters of Battle

I keep crushing everyone at my flgs and they all think SoB is brokenly OP now.

I'm pretty sure they just have no idea what they're doing with all their new options and having to re-figure out their army though, while my army is so simple and straightforward and lacking in options I'm not sure how I could fuck it up. Especially when everyone wants to fight meltaguns with terminators or heavy flamers in transports with melee units and doesn't move their vehicles back when seraphim get near or leaves their characters unbubblewrapped to get assassinated.

>>53950833
Waacfag armies tier:
Orcs, Nids, Guard, Knights

Great tier:
Sisters, Necrons, Eldar (every faction but craftworld), Chaos Daemons

Good tier:
Everything else.

>>53950542
admech isnt on the list builder, but I tend to run
2x 5 rangers with aquebus for character killin
2 x 2 robots with all the dakka
2x1 neutron laser onegar
1 icarus onegar
2 or 3 dominus
20 fulgerite electro staff priests
2x 1 dragoon
1 autocannon balistari
vanguard for rest of points with plasma.

>>53950879
Since when are imperial knights waacfag? I thought they struggled to fight the hordes we're seeing all over the place in 8e.

>>53950836
Sadly, you can bring the Yncarne with a bunch of covens units. It's just that none of the noncovens units besides the Yncarne will benefit from the soulburst rules.

What should my new army be? I want something fast that can lay out a lot of damage

>>53950915
That's Dark Eldar. That's the two things they do.

>>53950907
They got a huge buff with the new rules for furst turn.

>>53950888
That's fairly similar to what I run, that shouldn't be having much trouble with hordes. What hordes do you actually fight? Because 40 Fulgurite attacks backed up with all that dakka should be erasing Conscripts and Orks and such.

>>53950819
Slow, though, on foot. Not like nids.

>>53950802
Most factions don't have open topped CHEAP rhinos with two heavy flamers.

I'm just waiting for people to put acolytes in there and 8th edition to be dubbed "RepressorPlas"

>>53950604
Is it that hard for them to put within 1 inch horizontal and 3 or 6inches directly vertical ?

>>53950879
Well my best friend has been playing Orks since 4th edition? Yeah that's when I played.

He's fucking ecstatic about it and likes how he has to "dial it down a notch." When playing casual games. Pretty neat that generally from what I've seen everyone is agreeing with you. More or less.

Its kinda exciting to see a new meta. I organized events and say soooo many Riptides and Wraithknights and just wondered when it would all end.

>>53950861
Yes.

>>53950640
WTF. I saw you in glasgow GW. Playing a guy with eldar. Small world famalan

I also thought you were a lil dread spammer

>>53950946
I was planning on doing that. Am I a bad person?

Though I feel like valkyries might be better.

>>53950879
Since when are Chaos Daemons great?

HEY,

What good are genestealer cults for now ?

I could just spam normal genestealers in a pure Tyranid army and use broodlords and have more tools and more synergy, what gives.

>>53950874

Fellow Sister's player, new to the edition. Post list dawg. And pics of models if you got em and they're painted. I wanna see some Sisters.

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>>53950640
I already finished my Leviathan awhile ago. I'm currently working on a Steel Confessors Deredeo.

>>53950985
Since they got one of the best fight troops in the game, the ability to unconditionally lock down enemy units with Fiends, and some still pretty good summoning rules.

>>53950924
Option 2? Not a fan of the aesthetic

>>53950772
i know your pain anon, yellow is hard

>>53950993
Is.... is he in a fucking ghillie suit. You're fuckin silly. I like it.

>>53950987
You can play cult ambush roulette.

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>>53950014
More and more, Mekboyz started to look like pic related. Really over-the-top mechanics and enhancements. Both the fandom and fluff embraced this look, which came to dominate all other iterations of the Mekboy.

>>53951001
>best fight troops

Which is?

All their troops suffer from morale pretty badly. All of them are quite squishy.

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>>53950861
At least from what I've seen all the main space marine chapters can use it as it was in 7th I'm not certain about deathwatch or grey knights though

A deathwatch leviathan would be a thing of beauty though

>>53950956
Is it actually a problem that giant models aren't allowed to squeeze into tiny spaces to chase after infantry?

If I take a death card battalion, then a patrol detachment of world eaters, the beserkers in that patrol can be troops rather than elites right?

>>53951008
It's Raptor anon. Apparently a 10m tall walking tank just disappears if you put on enough grass.

>>53951006
Yellow is ball ez now.

Basecoat white and use yellow glaze twice.

>>53950165
>Drukhari

USE DARK ELDAR OR GTFO

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>>53951008
>>53951032
And this is my Deredeo that's currently highly in progress.

>>53950946
I don't see the appeal. You can't fire plasma pistols if the repressor has advanced, and dominions are better with melta guns anyways.

Dominions with melta will move 36+2d6 inches the first turn, and annihlate whatever they're shooting at.

Acolytes with Plas are limited to 24+1d6 inches the first turn.

>>53950930
usually 120+ orks, or 120+ bloodletters, 200 guardsman, about the only things I beat have a lower model count than me.

>>53950709
Do we have a pdf of dark imperium rulebooks yet?

>>53951032

Thats how it works in DoW 3 hkekeke

>this resurgence in dreadnought usage
Loving 8th edition already

Debating getting another fancy dreadnought, wondering if I should get a contemptor, deredeo or wait for the redemptor for me to customize the shit out of

Could someone give me a quick rundown on the advantages of the contemptor/deredeo compared to a normal dread

>>53951027
>Is it actually a problem that giant models aren't allowed to squeeze into tiny spaces to chase after infantry?

If there were rules to destroy terrain? No problem.

Except there isn't and you can literally become immune to non Infantry / Fly melee by standing on a 2 story building.

>Actual buildings can be destroyed. But god damn ruins must've been made from space mythril and crafted by space dwarves, as they're impossible to destroy.

>>53950730
>>53950799
They do this so they can trademark. "Plaguecaster", which is what these things would have been called 2 editions ago, already appears in past IPs (Rouge Land, music video, etc.)

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>>53950956
Actually... I think you may have a point.

Nothing in the rules says your models have to be stood up so technically you could lie the knight on it's back and it's base would be big enough to get within 1" of the marines, problem solved!

Prove me wrong.

>>53950772
>More Thinner
>More Coats
>Into infinity
"It's Yellow"
>Nope.jpg

>>53951008
>>53951053
Oh shit another person likes steel confessors, good taste man, I've always wanted to make some.

>>53950088
never underestimate the stupidity of questions people will ask just to try to "break" a game

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>>53950772
I'm sorry, bro. Have you tried dunc's new fists method? Pretty easy. I feel you, though. I often dream of escaping my yellow prison. I was hoping for them to drop some non yellow primaris fists successors on me, but it looks like my tallguys are mostly reinforcements. Such is life when your chapter specialty is incurring mass casualties.

>>53951103
Lol, What. Just shoot the building? Its only +1 to their save. You're a god damn Knight, back up and shoot the motherfuckers.

>>53951003
For speed and death?

Blood Angels probably.

Scions. Deep strike and rapid fire.

Several SoB units are basically guided missiles who rapidly fulfill their purpose and then die.

Eldar are pretty heavy on speed.

Harlequins are even more heavy on speed. And chain killing, if you make them Ynnari. I think you can triple move a unit with Ynnari Harlequins under the right circumstances.

>>53951105
But that tactic is retarded, a chong could just make a "death guardian plague sorcerer" and it would show up when googling death guard sorcerer.

Just finished the last of the CWEldar's cost-calculations, see 'em here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

Thinking of tackling Necrons next, or maybe one of the smaller factions, like SoS, Deathwatch or Ministorum.

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>>53951112
It's a really strange army to paint. It took me awhile to figure out how to paint these suckers in such a way that actually looks good. There's another anon on here that keeps telling me I should just paint them PURE SILVER, which is fucking terrible, as I can't go beyond Level 3. It's impossible to highlight from silver, since silver is already the highest highlight I can possibly use.
> Pure silver is shite
> Blued steel is shite
> Needs an in-between of the two. With blued steel lowlights, and silver highlights.

Do you think we will ever get a new boyz kit?

>>53951122
"Can I take Commissars in a cadian battlegroup?"
>FUCK NO
"But"
>NO

>>53951106
I like the way you think: Also, note that we still measure ranges from the gun barrels IIRC, so you can have your Imperial Knight laying forward on its side, with its base out of range, but its guns in range.

>>53951128
They specified you can make you own "my dudes" which can be a successor chapter. Cant you just paint them however the fuck and make them <Imperial Fists>?

>>53951145
For faith and fire, please do Ministorum.

>>53951056

Heavy Flamers aren't Assault anymore; they're heavy, which means you can't advance and shoot. The Immolation flamer on the Immolator is exclusively an assault weapon.

>>53951159
You measure ranges from the base.
You measure LOS from whatever the fuck you want.
Poke the base out, shoot out of it, don't get shot back

>>53951027
Uh yeah that knight can't squeeze that giant ass sword into a ruin window or swing it at some guy literally in front of him on the 2nd story, even though you totally can physically do it with the model.

>>53951130
Not just Knights are affected. But every non FLY / INFANTRY.

>Rowboat can't climb
>Maulerfiends
>Carnifexes, and most TMC

>SIR THE TYRANIDS ARE COMING.
>Have the men go to the second story. Only the gaunts will follow
>*Trygons, Swarmlord, and Carnifexes watch longingly from the ground floor*

>>53951172
Oh totally. I just enjoy painting existing stuff and yourdudesing in an established chapter instead of yourchaptering. Personal preference.

>>53951130
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. Yeah thats fucked.

>>53951128
Reached too far. Ironically I can paint yellow, but my brush control is horrible because I've only been washing Plaguebearers for the last 6 months. Fucking up the red and getting it everywhere ruins the yellow. It looked so shite, I was so embarassed for myself I just dumped them

>>53951131
moving ynarri harlequins 3 times isn't that good, running them with rising crescendo and moving twice moves about the same distance because they can advance and charge and it saves you 1 psychic power. If anything, the scary part about Ynnari harlequins is that you can make them fight twice.

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So from what I've heard, the Baal campaign got ended by Guilliman's Indomitus Crusade, which makes no sense because it's on the other side of the Great Scar. Did this happen before the Great Scar formed, or is the Great Scar already cucked?

>>53951154
Probably not, sadly. I definitely like its compatible modularity with many other kits though.

In my opinion, Imperial Guard needs new basic troop kits more than Orks.

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>>53951149
>MFW my army will never be tabletop quality

>>53951199
But if your knight's base can see a space marine to shoot it the space marine can see it's base and shoot back.

The base is part of the model so if it can be seen it can be shot.

>>53951103
>Immune to non-infantry non-flier melee because of terrain
Again, why is this a problem?
Impassable terrain was a thing before. If there was an area without gaps big enough for the model/base, no getting into melee.

>>53951249
But if the base is out of range, then you're fine. So you stick your knight horizontally, so its base is 5 inches behind its guns.

>>53951222
Oh I see. Id make Imperial Fists or Lamenters if I knew of a more "lighy" and less "toy" yellow.

>>53951273
I'm gonna make some terrain with one sided glass now just to be an ass.

>>53951230
Sucks, bro. Maybe go for a trimless scheme like bangles or dangles. Easier to clean mistakes on those darker shades too.

>>53951273
My bad >>53951291
Meant for >>53951268

>>53951145
>night spinner better than every mode of the fire prism, against every target
Welp. I knew it was better, but didn't expect it to be a clean sweep.

>>53951139
It is.
Plenty of other miniature games companies have factions which are goblin, elves, whatever, and they don't run into problems.
They can copyright the model even if the can't the name. And copyrighting the name doesn't get them anything.

There was a successful Kickstarter for a guy making SoB and Dark eldar models. He just called them slightly different.

>>53950625
what would be in it? Average dollar value is like 150 right? 1 chaplin, 10 veterans and 3 bikers? seems like a good enough balance and offers enough to tempt people who already have a collection

>>53949946
DoW1 soulstorm with Ultimate Apocalyspe (with all races) or Titanium Wars mods (later one get from russian forum)

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Trying to work on a Heretic guard force for 8th, deciding on a design for my command squad's banner. Is there a way to work these symbols into something good, or should I try something more Roman like I was thinking before? Maybe a Roman eagle holding a red Ultramar symbol?

>>53951240
8th rulebook explains that the only passage through the scar is near the Eye of Terror, formed from the remnants of the cadian pylons. Guillimans fleet went through there

>>53951240
There are two gaps apparently. They're supposed to be dangerous but it's rowboat girlyman so not like he's going to die in a warp storm.

>>53951338
This makes it look like ultramar auxilia who fell to khorne

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>>53951338
>joining khorne

>>53951338
Have a broken red ultramarines symbol dripping blood maybe?

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How does this list look?
Wanted a take on all comers list and runing Cons have been boring fast.

>>53950990
Nothing special list-wise, we play different point games all the time and I always go strong on seraphim. But they can't seem to not take big expensive models with loads of points invested into them (something we can't even do), resulting in a low army model counts, which makes meltas extremely effective whereas against hordes they would be weak. I really want some repressors for all the fun stuff you can do with dominions.

I'm sure it'll even out once they realize what they're doing. Maybe. Seraphim were pretty bad last edition in my opinion and now they move twice as far with the special weapons in the front and you have to kill the entire squad to get rid of them. Could take some getting used to.

>>53951353
Faken Eldar took weekend cruise all over the eye, got sunbathing on some dust filled planet then just escaped thru webgate when suddenly hordes of daemons decided to eat them.

>>53950970

I have big ones too.

Today I was running -

Chaplain Dread, Fist and lascannon

Regular dread with fist, flamer, heavy bolter

Venerable with fist, flamer and assault cannon

Venerable with quad autocannon

Mortis with quad lascannon

Contemptor with Kheres

Relic contemptor with chainfist (lamp), power fist, twin Grav blasters

Contemptor Mortis with twin Kheres

Deredeo with autocannon/missiles/heavy bolters

Leviathan with grav bombard, drill.

>>53951327
It's not, if you include ap and saves.
Fire prism is better against things that have or can get 2+ saves. At 3+ the difference small against some targets.

>>53951328
Well he can make Dark Eldar models, just not "Drukharii"

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>Paradigm
>a typical example or pattern of something; a pattern or model.

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>>53951341
Why were those pylons even there, again? Apparently they existed before mankind arrived on Cadia, which was when? Before the Horus Heresy? Right after it? So is the idea that a bunch of Necrons showed up to the Eye of Terror AS SOON as it opened up before anyone else got there and let the humans guard it?

>>53951075
I'm honestly perplexed. You should have the snipers for the latter two and the dakka for the former, provided you don't take them on in a big long skirmish line and focus fire. Rave Priests should invalidate the first blob that hits you when it wastes itself on a screening Vanguard blob then hit them, hopefully nabbing a 3++ and then becoming a massive fuckyou wall to hide behind. Dragoons skirmish and poke, or kill stragglers, Vanguard go all Zulu on the enemy and the Crawlers rake their lines with stubbers etcetera.

>>53950799
>adjective nounverber
Malignant plaguecaster
Noxious Blightbringer

At least it's not the loyalists 'everything must end in -or'.

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>>53951362
That's what I'm going for, yes.
>>53951368
>joining Slaanesh, when Khorne has better women
>>53951376
That could work, maybe.

As well, tomorrow's when the Index pdf goes up right? Still have to wait on the physical one.

>>53951435
He made 'scifi pain elves'.
The copyright did nothing.

>>53950275

Charge the building, how is something as fuck huge going to be able to hit the tint infantry cowering on one floor of an apartment anyway, more likely the knights will just smash/vaporized the building around them.

>But there are no building rules!

Well there's the problem.

>>53951457
>Why were those pylons even there, again?

Probably leftover Anti-Old One technology from the War of Heavens that the Necrons didn't care enough to collect

>Also the Eye of Terror used to be the heart of the AELDARI Empire. The Necrons (sworn enemies of the AELDARI) might have put the Pylons there in case they were to attack the AELDARI.

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How good this list? 1st time building tau

>>53951490
Expect it to be added in expanded cities of death.

As is, I think the fluff of 'hiding from big thing using terrain" is more of a plus than a minus.

>>53951158
Keywords get even sillier when it comes to dealing with successor chapters/related chapters. Imagine the fate of the Celestial Lions if they adhered to 8e rules:

"We've lost our entire Apothecarion to 'Ork Snipers'. Can you assist us?"

"Sorry, but I am only authorized to handle Geneseed for Marines that have <Chapter> Black Templar. Rules are rules."

"But we're both successors of Dorn, and we stand on the brink of annihilation."

"I only enforce the rules, for fluff's sake. That ADB git is clearly a WAACbastard."

>>53951186
Can-do!

>>53951526
pretty bad.

>>53949980
Hey we know we just required you to buy a load of books but our two years of playtesting was done by blind chimps only using the contents of previous starter boxes so those books are immediately obsolete, kthnxbye!

>>53951460
Pseudo-Latin is better IMO

>>53951490
Fortifications have rules, but not Ruins. The moment a structure becomes dilapidated Nurgle itself shits an invisible film over the structure that makes it impervious to further damage.

>>53951526
Short range infantry with no transport.
Lot of drones with no support.

Coldstar commander with nothing to protect him if he uses the speed.

No support units.

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Can we have IG Index yet?
Can we have IG Index yet?
Can we have IG Index yet?

>>53951611
Imperial Guard have an index, Imperium 2, it's just renamed Astra Minifagtum now.

>>53950431
You're wrong, he can have him and he won't be ynarri but everyone else can be if he wants, read the rules you fucking idiot and stop putting your stupid presuppositions on everybody else.

>>53951526
It's only 1000 points, why do you have so many railsides?

>>53951056
Rapid fire plasma > melta

Also; Acolytes can travel WITH dominions in the transport . .

Like I said, you wait and see how the meta will revolve around this vehicle.

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https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/midlands/games-workshop-boosted-by-weak-pound

>"Sales and profits have benefitted from the continuing favourable impact of the weaker pound," the business said.

mfw

>>53951623
gr8 b8 m8

Guard forgeworld index pdf when?

Is there any use for regular CSM troops or are cultists better in every way?

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>>53950088
>Most playtested game ever?!
Warmachine MK. III?

I'm kidding, but I'm still mad.

>>53951605
> no transport
homing beacon at xv25. I thought it will be enough
> with no support
They just to take wounds insted of xv88
And coldstar commander to fast move at transported breachers
>>53951633
You think rockets woould be better?

>>53951457
They are necron tech left over from the war against the Psychic/Warp based Old Ones.

You do know about the War in Heaven yes?

>>53951646
>Anti-immigration, anti-EU policies is empowering GW

This is the best timeline.

>>53951580
Or further damage doesn't really change the nature of the structure.

Take a wrecking ball to an office building, it becomes rubble.
Keep hitting it, it stays rubble.

A warzone can quickly fill a city with ruins. But even if a siege drags on, there are still ruins around.

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>>53951623

>>53951526
-3 HRR's and a FB Stealthsuit is a bit overkill at 1k pts.
-Why no support systems on your Commander? Wasted potential.
-Why breachers without transport? They need to be within 5" to be at peak effectiveness, which means they NEED a devilfish.
-Make sure to specify what type of detachment this is. I assume a Patrol?
-Why one large unit of drones instead of two smaller ones? Less vulnerable to morale that way.
-Why the one lonesome shield drone?
-Why no markerlight support at all, outside of the one stealthsuit.
-Who are you planning to drop in by using the Homing Beacon?

>>53951632
No, he can't, because Drazhar can't join a ynnari army. It's in the fucking rules, plain as day.

>>53951646
Now no one can say I'm not supporting my hobby

53951646
Dont respond to the anarchocommie bait

>>53951656
I think you have too maany big suits. Get some fire warriors in there, or at least pathfinders. How the hell are you supposed to take objectives with that list?

>>53951652
I think you'll enjoy at least 3 days of raw shitty picture of the pages.

>>53951629
He means FW index
Get on it, Hobbits!

>>53951646
>He's left wing
>Wants to stay in the EU.

For what purpose?

Also stop shitposting.

>>53951656
Homing beacon only works for units that could deepstrike anyway, it doesn't grant deep strike to other units. You use it mostly get to get Fusion-Crisis/Commander within melta range. It doesn't benefit your troop options at all.

>>53951654
If these models existed I would make these into an army so fucking fast

Can I combine the chaos contents of the Dark Vengeance and Dark Imperium sets to make a reasonable list? not looking to win every game but being able to break out a second army to switch things up seems appealing

>>53951444
confirmed old-marines squatted.

>>53951338
make the omega symbol red and put the khorne symbol inside it

>>53951131
What's shooting like for BA? I don't want to rely on melee even though it's better now

>>53951656
Homing beacon replaces manta strike. I'd doesn't just give transport to the breachers.

>>53951632
I think he's right. The models only gain the ynnari keyword and ability if they are in a ynnari army, in which case they have to gain them and do not get the option. An ynnari army cannot contact drazhar etc. It's fairly explicit in the ynnari army list and appears to work differently to other lists. There is no other way to gain strength from death aside from everyone gaining it and everyone losing their other faction abilities.

You can of course use yvraine and yncarne in an aeldari army though as they have that keyword.

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>>53951640
Remember, never overcharge your Plasma weapons at night-time, as the FAQ says to-hit modifiers can modify dice rolls. Literally, plasma weapons are twice as likely to kill you if you fire at night, three times as likely to kill you if you fire at night at a Rhino with smoke launchers, etc.

>Most playtested edition!

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>go to local GW
>set up my models for match with friend
>manager comes over all friendly looking at our models
>notices my models look odd, gets out magnifying glass
>sees that my models are painted with valejo paints
>tells me I need to leave
>mfw

Anyone else had this? How do I best hide my paint sources?

>>53950088
kek

>Celestine has the Act of Faith special rule
>She can also take 2 other models in her unit.
>She dies twice in a row, but her two sidekicks survive
>at the beginning of the turn, the player uses his Act of Faith to revive Celestine with one wound.

Legal?

>>53951715
Eldar are powerful psykers.
Before the fall they used that power even more.

Is it me or does /40kg/ get the most shitposting out of the core threads on /tg/?

>>53951432
Eh. Check this more detailed breakdown I made on my own.
the nightspinner is almost universally better against both single and multiwound models. except for the superheavy targets (2+ saves, basically)

>>53951670
>Take a wrecking ball to an office building, it becomes rubble.
>Keep hitting it, it stays rubble.

>Office rubble has 20 dudes on the roof.
>No matter how many times the office rubble gets hit by a wrecking ball, the roof's structure holds true.

>A warzone can quickly fill a city with ruins. But even if a siege drags on, there are still ruins around.

True, but when a 30-40ft War Engine (Knight) is running around, those ruins will get significantly smaller.

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>>53951753
fake news

My Genestealer Cultists are pure children that just care about their family and making life better for the underclass

>>53951761
Yes.

>Imperium
>Chaos
>Xenos

Which alliance should I join?

>>53951761
Yes. Also you can use a Hospitalar (sp) to resurrect Celestine on a 4+ too.

>>53951432
I'm confused. I thought the night spinner having a bigger number against everything meant it was better. How do I into anon's chart?

Can genestealers breed on Tau planets?

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First list attempt for 8e. How did I do?

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>>53951432
>>53951786
Helps if I attach the image

>>53951808
Then why they are so bald?

>>53951753
Not the same, but this happened.
> Volunteer to help paint the store terrain pieces
> Left completely unattended by the manager
> Lol, Paint the whole thing in about 4 hours using drybrushing and weathering powders
> Manager looks at it when I'm done and compliments my work.
Later that week:
> Regional Manager shows up
> Looks at the new store terrain and says, "Wow that looks great!"
> Picks it up
> His fingers are now orange
> Anneurism.jpg
> I'm now banned from painting anything in the store with weathering powders.

>>53951828
>Chaos Xenos

>>53951808
And certainly have no knowledge of any four-armed emperor, officer.

Are hive tyrants best equipped with rending claws and stranglethorn?

>>53951836
>1850
You have to go back

>>53951786
>Super heavy targets
>2+ save
Or any marine in cover. Heavy aspect warriors in cover. SoB in cover. Most necrons in cover.

I'll admit that in most situations the Weaver is better. But saying 2+save equals super heavy is wrong.

>>53951859
I haven't kept up with 8e much, is 1850 not a thing now?

>>53950800
>>53950933

Doesn't matter much, 550 points will give you a 4 model deep grot wall that extends all the way across a 4' board with 5++ saves and moral protection. It'd have to be something impressive to clear out nearly 100 models in 2 turns.

>>53951835
Yes, there's an ethereal genestealer now.

>>53951879
2000 is the new 1850

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Ive taken a shokk attack gun for 5 games of 5th, and he has yet to cause a single unsaved wound on anything