JumpChain CYOA Thread #1572: Greenback Edition

What happened to the Symbiote update? It doesn't seem to be on the drive.

>>53938087
>>Last Thread
You had one job.

>>53933511
>Creation is slightly smaller than Earth overall, but has much more land compared to ocean.
Well, a flat earth map of Earth is actually smaller in area than it appears because of the stretching as you radiate out from the center.
But Creation is actually flat, and there is no stretching to make is appear flat. So I think Creation ends up a but larger overall.

How is the Infernal Update coming?
Worm_Anon, if you can read this, please don't give up, and consider incremental updates.

>>53938111
Symbiote and Anon merged together and they flew off to Mars.

>>53938111
It should be in the Uploads folder, I put it there myself.

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>Drawback is a really fun and/or interesting scenario
>It's a high-cost drawback that's suicide for your build
What do?

So I've come to a final solution, I'm simply not going to offer the Answer Talker, you can attempt to obtain it in-universe, but doing it without actually physically dying might be challenging.

>>53938319
Slot it in later in my chain when it'd actually be possible, but still challenging.

>>53938319
Flip a coin

>>53938319
Step One: Panic.
Step Two: Use stuff from previous Jumps to offset Doomback.

If that doesn't work:
Step Three: Panic More
Step Four: >>53938365

>>53938319
Do it but make sure the struggle is suitably epic (Not in the meme way, legitimately epic) and get a lot of allies on your side

>>53938319
Throw OoC Powers at it. If that doesn't work, get creative and roll lots of d100s to see how poorly it went.

Live dangerously once in a while Anon! It makes for better storytelling.

>>53938328
>you can, it's just a bad idea
Sounds legit, thanks.

>>53938328
That works.

Also, cheap drawback where you're frequently bullied by a small child, irregardless of your powerlevel.

>>53938494
>irregardless
>inb4 someone like Digger or NikaMoth comes to point out the obvious like anyone cares

>Give Symbiote bio tinker powers from worm.
Good idea or best idea?

>>53938587
Redundant idea? What exactly is it getting out of that?

>>53938587
sounds redundant rather than stacking.

>>53938587
Redundant idea. Pretty sure they can do anything a biotinker could. Now, introducing them to Zerg biology with all the weirdness that entails (ablative armor for brains, electromagnetic hover-cancer, self-replicating acid...and that's all on just one creature), then you could get some pretty interesting things.

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>>53933789
Can we take Sonya as a companion for free if we complete the A Cure For Witches scenario?

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Rolling to see how many of the separate Arcana I manage to acquire mastery of in MtA.

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>>53938725
Hm...sure. I'll go edit the scenario so you can do that. Great idea.

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So, I've hit a bit of a brain block with my writing and Jumpmaking and gave something a little darker a try.

Hetza Chain - Jump 0: Black Lagoon

Chain Rules: https://pastebin.com/uiCPQkdP

Native Jumper: Johnathan "Plan B" Smith
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Location: "Safe House"

Origin: Civilian (Originally at least) (50, 950)

Drawbacks:
+ Obligation (Burnable CIA asset) (+200, 1150)
+ Hit Listed (x3) (+300, 1450)

Perks:
+ Repressed Anger (300, 1150)
+ Two-Hands (100, 1050)
+ Implacable (300, 750)
+ World of Badass (50, 700)

Items:
+ Arsenal (x2) (400, 300)
+ Preferred Weapon (100, 200) - Pair of FN P90 SMGs
inb4 /k/ harp at me for weapon choice. I know very little about firearms.

Companions: (200, 0)
= Jess "Zerker" Belmont - Psycho, Unassuming, Implacable, Counting Time, World of Badass, Gun-Show.

= Sofia "Vanilla" Valmer - Lady, Counting Time, Hard-Boiled Operator, Book Smarts, World of Badass, Serious Style (Formal Suit), Preferred Weapon (Springfield 1911A1)

= Asuna "Boom Boom" [No Family Name] - Psycho, Unassuming, Concealment Equals Cover, Counting Time.

Intro Story: https://pastebin.com/sW6Wz3kZ

>"So, dear viewers, where should I sent this group of psychopaths, murderers, mercenaries, and general degenerates?
1. The standard beginning world, twisted ever so slightly by my touch.
2. The end of the world, this time brought about by zombies.
3. A world of steel and magic where corporate greed holds sway and only in the lawless shadows can people run free.
4. The world of stalkers, where they will be forced to encounter anomalies they cannot combat, only avoid, and scrounge together an existence among the ruins?

>>53938220
Dude, enough. The constant badgering is only making him feel worse about it. Back the fuck off.

>>53938831
1.

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>>53938831
You know what you must do, Stalker.

>>53938866
You think that'll dissuade him? It's just the new shitposting tactic.

>>53938831
4.

>>53938634
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>>53938651
What worm powers would you suggest for a symbiote then?

>>53939091
compound computation.

>>53935664
>Is Herculanon dead
Herculanon is alive. CD is chugging along slowly. I'll probably have Kiki's Delivery Service done before it though. Kiki before the end of the month and CD Part 1 probably sometime in July

>>53939091
Miniaturization and Efficiency, super compact cooling systems and internal nuclear reactors.

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>>53939120
>Herculanon is alive

Heroes never die! Especially not the champ!

>>53939214
THE CHAMP IS READY TO STEP INTO THE RING AGAINST ANY KARATE KNOWING BUGMEN!

>>53939091
Imaginary Form. That lets the user turn into anything they can properly visualize. Symbiotes can properly visually ANYTHING.

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>>53939231

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT

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>>53939231
Challenge accepted, bring it newbie.

Summon Decade!

WHERES THE UPDATE BARAMASTER

>>53939320
Maybe once these stomach pains have worked their way out I'll be able to but obviously we need to postpone the match.

>>53939338
Well I meant in one on one fights ya know. Gotta give the fans my one hundred percent or it's not really worth fighting!

Do you guys remember the original Pokemon one, with the insanely powerful psychic option?

>>53939214
To be honest, Hercule is the most powerful warrior without active Ki/Magic/Tech in the universe. I'm pretty sure if Vegeta/Goku/Etc had their Ki capped to his level, and weren't allowed to tap into it, he'd beat them.

>>53939320
I'm pretty sure with all those powers on at once he would suffocate since he has so many layers.

>>53939364
>Well I meant in one on one fights ya know
Don't worry we have the Contact Fusion perk and can just combine into one, that or we could call in Decade!

>>53939384
Eh?

>>53939410
Goku at least is still a genius martial artist trained for decades by literal gods. I think he has more skill but it's focused on the aerial combat and has throwing energy beams as a big part of his power.

>>53939384
...you mean the first Cyoa, that had lightsabers and shit?

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>>53938831
If you want to truly learn how to deal with grim and/or dark, you need to run before you can walk.

>>53939501
Didn't once have power armor too?
I think it was even Astartes possibly.

>>53939462
All those techniques rely on Ki empowerment and Ki Use. Hercule is the pinnacle of mundane technique that relies solely on the mechanics of the human form and muscle.

>>53939547
what about Krillin

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>>53939609
Krillin uses ki you dingleberry.

>>53938776
It that what changed in v1.1?

>>53938111
>Symbiote update?
>>53938262
>It should be in the Uploads folder, I put it there myself.
Is there a reason why the pdf on the drive has a different file size than the last version posted to the thread?

>>53939685
As of Super Krillin still punches, kicks and dodges well enough to spar with Goku you bloomsburg

>>53939734
Yea, and his style is based around the fact he uses Ki to enhance his abilities. He is reacting and moving faster than his muscles and bones could handle normally. It only works because he is using Ki to do it.

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>>53939734
Ki isn't just shooting energy blasts you dofunheiser. It also strengthens your body and lets you move faster. It's the entire reason the Super Saiyan buff even enhances physical prowess. If you're not buffing your body up with ki, you can get your head clubbed with a thrown rock.
Which Krillin actually does to Goku at one point, thinking he'd react in time to block it, which he doesn't and instead yells at Krillin for being a dipshit.

This is practically Dragon Balls 101 info here, how do you not know this.

>>53939894
>>53939858
I think he's saying that he has martial skill, and that even without ki, he'd be bale to kick and punch and stuff.

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Rolled 86 (1d100)

>>53938887
>>53939021
>>53939063
>>53939512
>"It appears the viewers have a certain taste that needs appeasing. I think we'll get along swimmingly."
>"The four are headed to the cold north. The Canadian Zone will see four fresh faces, none of them prepared for what awaits them inside."
>"I cannot wait to see how they react to the first assault on their minds."

>>53939957
>86
Nice.

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>>53939925
Without ki Krillin's a shorty. He's probably a little stronger than your average shorty, but Satan's got about three feet and a hundred pounds on him.
This isn't a muscle situation, this is literally a ki-versus-no-ki situation. Krillin learned from the ground up to use ki from Master Roshi. Satan learned from the ground up to have muscles and yell really loud.

Satan's not a loser. He won real tournaments against all comers and became the legitimate world champion because nobody could beat him, because Goku and Krillin and everyone else were off saving the universe and shit from Saiyans and Frieza and generally doing actually important shit. Then they came back and found out Satan was top dog now and were all "Who's this clown?", because Satan had been playing in the sandbox with all the other babies who didn't know how to use ki and now he's King Babyman.

He's the strongest human on earth... who can't use ki. Which means he and everyone else he beat is so far below the primary cast's radar that it's not even a joke to them. That is the joke. That's the whole joke.

But in a no-ki battle, which Krillin has absolutely no reason to get into, Satan actually has the advantage because it just comes down to pure muscles and reflex. Power levels aren't a thing in that situation because power levels are ki. Without ki, it's just muscles and knowing where to hit a guy.
So at that point his best bet is to go for the nutshot. Krillin's about the right size for that.

>>53940320
The thing is I'm not sure Krillin can bring his powerlevel low enough. We've seen him getting hit by bullets while unaware. It gave him a small scratch and that was after he hadn't really done any training for years. I think Krillin's still somewhat superhuman even while not trying to channel his ki.

>>53939214
>>53939410
>>53939547
>Hercule Satan
Another Student to teach The Hercules Method to.
Krillin too.

Also, when does Symbiote start getting nuts?
I'm at 1.6 and the the weirdest it's gotten so far is probably the graphene/nanotube bones and internal radio.
No spoilers please.

>>53940400
Passive ki enhancement isn't an unknown, hell, it's the entire gimmick of the Saiyan Beyond God thing that Goku and Vegeta now have, where their default power level was set to SSG at a minimum.

>>53940410
I stopped reading at 2.7 because it'd just gotten too weird.

Gimme some good jumps for cute

>>53940457
Lovecraft.

>>53940320
Actually Krillin was trained from the ground up to be a badass martial artist. His youth before he learned Turtle Martial Arts from Roshi was being trained as a highly martial arts angled monk. He trained with some serious dudes, who were at the WMAT too. They thought he'd run off because he was weak but he'd just gone to learn under a better master. Also as we've seen in Super he still to this day uses actual body building exercises.

>>53940457
Hit up Haruhi with the Haruhi/Yuki-Chan stuff. It's great.

>>53940477
Just take Crawling With Love first

>>53940400
Yeah, that's true. Krillin's whole fighting style is based around ki and he's been using it since he was a tiny child. It's basically just normal for him at this point to use it all the time, even if he's not paying attention to it. To really and truly block Krillin from using ki, you'd have to actually cripple his ability to make use of it with outside forces.

Satan, meanwhile, has never fucking used ki a day in his life, and for a long time thinks it's all light shows and mirrors. You can't really compare the two of because they're so different in not just their style, but the whole way they've been raised to think about strength and fighting. The only thing the two of them have in common is that they're both human.

>>53940457
Like what kind of cute. Cute waifus? Cute animals? Cute animal waifus? There are different kinds of cute.

>>53940502
>Satan, meanwhile, has never fucking used ki a day in his life, and for a long time thinks it's all light shows and mirrors.
This is, in fact, misinformation. Satan knows that Ki exists he's just got horrible PTSD because a Ki user killed his master in front of him.

>>53940541
Where's that info from? I've never heard of that.

>>53940560
Shonen jump interview. Satan's master made fun of Tao's hairstyle and got murdered by him.

>>53940560
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Satan
>When Mark was young, he attended a fighting dojo called "Satan Castle." Through a combination of considerable power and good luck (his rival fighting opponent would get food poisoning, for instance), he quickly became world champion and was called "Mr. Satan" after the name of his dojo. One day when they were on tour, at a bar in South City, Satan and his martial arts master made the mistake of making fun of Mercenary Tao's hairstyle. As a result, Mr. Satan was heavily injured while his master was killed. From then on, Mr. Satan solemnly swore never to fight anyone whose true identity he did not know, or anyone who seemed crazy strong.
>Saikyō Jump #6, 2014
Please read up on this stuff.

>>53939384
Does anyone even still have that one?

>>53939384
You mean QS's Pokemon Trainer Jump that lets a jumper develop Garevoir-level powers?

>>53940598
>Please read up on this stuff.
Thanks, but No Thanks. I'l just stick with my shoddy memories of the original English dub.

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>>53939384
The power level of the Psychic Perk has always been the same I think.
You mean the one with the Save option?
Here.

>>53938831
1

>>53940666
Ah, well then I can't force you to do it, but don't be surprised when stuff like this shoots your arguments in the foot again okay anon.

>>53940719
Save State could easily cost 1000 CP, and I'd still buy it.

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>>53939422
>call in Decade
I'm a little preoccupied fighting the absolute worst the Megaten jumps have to offer, please leave a message after the agonized screaming

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>>53940743
First of all, that's another guy. There's, I think, two of us talking in support of Satan right now. Second, what argument would that be?

My argument is that Satan is the strongest guy who doesn't know how to use ki, and he could potentially beat Krillin in a situation where neither of them can use any ki at all.
But that can't happen, because Krillin uses ki all the time so it's basically reflex. Some other anon up there mentioned passive ki enhancement, which sounds about right for what Krillin's got going on. It's really easy for him. So easy that it would actually be harder for him to stop. I think he'd really have to work hard to bring himself down to Satan's level as far as ki goes.

I guess you could argue that maybe Krillin isn't passively using ki and he somehow learned to deflect bullets without paying attention just by flexing really hard, but at that point all we're doing is debating fanwank. Until Krillin starts stating outright whether he is or isn't using ki at any particular moment, we'll never know.
But given that Satan's whole thing is "World Martial Arts Champ who can't use ki", and Krillin's is "Strongest human in the world who CAN use ki", I still stand on that argument.

On the other hand, if my argument is supposed to be "I didn't know Satan's master got killed by Tao, and that makes my only tangentially related logic invalid", well, that's pretty dumb.

>>53940525
Cute like my heart doesn't need these feels it's so sweet/adorable. Give me something to feel.

>>53941005
Mimigas are pretty cute, so you could go to Cave Story. They also tend to die horribly, so that's something to feel about?

>>53941098
I change my mind. Got any cute waifus?

>>53940991
I was talking about the fact that Krillin is a traditionally trained martial artist in addition to his own Ki training. Thus in a match with Hercule, and Ki equalized to Hercule's level, would be much more even than you seem to be led to believe. In addition to his training under Roshi he was raised in the same kind of environment that made Hercule. Krillin also fights whilst in Multi-Form so even being depowered, though never to the point that this would take him, is something he isn't unfamiliar with.

Taking him back to the level he was at before Ki stuff, which was taught after the foundations of Turtle Martial Arts were taught, would only make him an expert trained by one of the oldest and most skilled martial artist ever with great potential. So somewhere around the level of Jackie Chun would be about right.

>>53941152
>So somewhere around the level of Jackie Chun
You mean the guy who blatantly used his ki in novel ways including hypnosis and paralysis?

>>53941107
Do you mind if they're already taken, or will be by the time the jumps over?

>>53941107
Well, another anon mentioned Melancholy of Haruhi, Yuki's pretty cute there. She's got kindof a Rei from Evangelion vibe, except with actual reasons to live and desires. Also she likes video games apparently. She's kindof a robot, though. Don't know if that's a dealbreaker.

>>53941179
Not really, that's fine.

>>53941186
Doesn't matter, as long as they're cute. I'm in need to cute girls.

Why does the OOTS jump offer 100 gold for CP and act like it is a lot of money? That is chump change for an adventurer!

>>53941152
Jackie Chun used the Kamehameha in his match against Goku. It's a pretty significant part of the fight, in fact, given that Goku copies that technique off him almost instantly. I don't really think there was ever a point where he wasn't able to use ki.

>>53941203
For an adventurer, sure. For a random peasant or some shit it's actually a lot of money. Do you know how long you can shack up at an inn with 100 gold?
I still agree with you, it's a pretty bad thing to spend CP on.

>>53941171
I'm not sure if you understand what I'm talking about but Jackie Chun (Master Roshi's Stage Name) never uses energy attacks outside of one instance while fighting Goku.

>>53941210
See above. Also Goku had already copied the Kamehameha off Roshi during the Fire Mountain arc.

I cannot cite the times in which he trained with great Master Mutaito either I'd guess?

>>53941243
I hate when jumps offer trivial amounts of money for CP, most of the origins (adventurer, Rival, NPC with class levels) should reasonably have more than that but including that option means you have to pay CP just to be what your origin considers destitute!

>>53941260
>I'm not sure if you understand what I'm talking about
I do. I also remember him using both hypnosis and paralyzing ki techniques (these were both big deals pointed out when he used them), and anon is also correct that Chun uses the Kamehameha to blow up the moon when Goku sees it and starts to become an Oozaru.

>>53941210
Eh? Dude just look at the non-Ki training Krillin has gone through. Not that other dude but Krillin goes through a lot of shit to get where he is during the World Tournament arc. Non of this was with Ki btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjrk9TBsS9c

>>53941199
Off the top of my head;
>Nia [Gurren Lagann]
>Starfire [Teen Titans]
>Ruby, Velvet, and Penny [RWBY]
>Noel [Blazblue]
>Melfina [Outlaw Star]
>Filia [Skullgirls]
>Zatanna, and Miss Martian [Young Justice]

>>53941203
All the D&D jumps have serious issues, it's probably a hard thing to make a jump for.

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>>53941107
Gonna have to rec Cave Story again.

Don't hide your feelings anon

>>53941454
Thanks.

>>53941494
Thanks. I wouldn't hide them if I had a place to put them, anon

Where can I get a supply of local currency that refreshes at the start of each jump?
It doesn't have to be a very large supply, just enough to not be poor in jumps that charge for your origin's pocket money.

>>53941588

Teen Titans has what you need

>>53941588
Batman the Animated Series has that, I think. I think it's literally called "Batman's real superpower" or something along those lines.

https://pastebin.com/Rm4iSyW6

Just posting some more progress on Bastard. The items for the second set of origins, though the options for the magic sword item are still to be added since we need to make sure we get them all.

As before, still on the lookout for a 100cp item for the Horseman/Sorceror Shogun origin

>>53941494
I'd snuggle them.

>>53941620
It does not, that provides 100,000 monthly. Which means I would still start out with nothing, my goal is not to have lots of money but rather make sure I have an origin appropriate amount of money at the start of jumps that prevent you from having it. Mainly to help with fitting in as the origin without raising suspicion or immediately resorting to "insert jumper's mass money making strategy here".

>>53941664
That one works, thanks anon.

Guys. Help. I think reality's about to crack from what I did. Marvel Magic, Axis drawback.

Seras is now an angelic Nazi that's replaced Red Skull and we're looking at the Nazi Party being uber-heroic-yet-horribly-brutal organization.

Killer B no longer raps, but instead has dedicated himself to poetry and tea.

And worst of all...
The straining point on creation...
Dante is no longer crazy. AND HE HATES PIZZA.

>>53941671
Is there a bastard sword?

>>53941769
You can have several options be bastard swords.

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>>53940496
>Yuki-Chan
Yeah being blue balled for S3 is great

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>>53941671
>Priest 400
>pic related

Also, in the Ninja Army's entry
>and very difficult for anyone with the agility of a ninja to reach
Is this a typo or deliberate?

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>>53941766
Destroyer of Worlds, Decade!

THINKS YOU HAVE MADE A HORRIBLE DECISION.

>>53941718
>Which means I would still start out with nothing
The perk leaves it up to you which day of the month you get the allowance, so if you want it to be the first day to start each jump with a suitcase full of money you can.

>but rather make sure I have an origin appropriate amount of money at the start of jumps that prevent you from having it
... you realise that's asking jump A to give you money appropriate to the origins of jumps that aren't A, right?

>>53941806
Typo! Thank you!

>>53941671
How is Mutants and Masterminds coming?
I do hope I'm asking the right jumpmaker.

>>53941819
Nope, I am asking for any amount of money in the form I'm looking for. I will just not take origins that would need more money to appear legitimate until I have options that provide enough.

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>>53941766
Learn the consequences of your actions, OAA.
Before you doom us all.

>>53941823
You are! It's slowly coming along. We decided eventually to split it into smaller jumps and instead do one general power supplement that they all link to. We were having trouble with making it too complicated and messy when trying to manage everything from prison heroes to high school heroes to adult heroes to adult heroes from several time periods in the same jump. (Some crazy shit like specific drawback sections and general sections and then when we started with scenarios it was just not fun).

It's a long ways off but for now, were going to focus on getting the supplement done and dusted first. That Charmed jump was a big help, recently. Made it much easier if we just do the same Power>Modifications to Power model.

>>53941879
Sounds like a good way to do it, looking forward to it!

>>53941461
The issues being that most of the jumpmakers weren't good at all. Ravenloft is an okay jump, and pretty much the only thing really wrong with Dragonlance was that Epicure made a ruling about game mechanics that he can't/isn't willing to take back. But yeah, OOTS, NWN, FR could seriously use some reworks. Dark Sun... eh. Never cared too much for the setting, and it seems to do its job well enough.

>>53941851
Then the Allowance would seem to fit the bill? Or is Money + Batman's Superpower preferable in that you get the flexibility (in exchange for greater CP cost) to get a million+++ at the start of each decade/year/month rather a hundred grand at the start of each month?

>>53941851
Oreimo and Infinite Stratos have options to make you part of a wealthy family?

>>53940719
Wasn't there one where Psychic, Aura, and Pokeglot were all at 300?

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>>53941766
>That last one
THE APOCALYPSE IS UPON US

>>53941923
Batman's Superpower is better because it is a bigger lump sum and can is given at the start of each jump with the first level of Batman's Superpower. I can just pretend the extra money doesn't exist or take advantage of how it prevents people from questioning it.

I can get arbitrary amounts of money with jumper bullshit but it takes at least a small amount of time in which I would not have enough green/gold/silver/etc. to appear a legitimate member of the origin.

>>53941971
Which is great but counter productive to my current goal. That would make it easy to get money, just ask family for some cash, but it would make it even stranger that I don't already have money.

>>53941993
Er, wait, wait. If you're taking an origin, you do realise you get an entire existing life in the setting up to that point? That's not just personality and memories, it's everything - including whatever wealth a typical person of that origin would have (unless your Jumpchain Benefactor is a dick, I suppose).

>>53942009
Can't you just do what the rest of us do and fanwank that your origin was a functioning member of society fitting the mold of their description and not a homeless, broke man with no life?

>>53941588
Archer

>>53942034
Some jumps are stingy, as in make you pay CP for less cash than your origin should have. In these jumps I need the money to appear legitimate.

For similar reasons I have a reserve supply of gear suitable to various origins and settings so that if the jump makes me pay for the basics that are only useful for fitting in I am not forced to pay for them just to fit in. With money it is harder since a sword and steel armor is just picking the right style of sword and armor from my warehouse where as money is setting specific currency that is hard to prepare before entering.

>>53942082
So that cash is just extra on top of what your origin has? Why are you assuming the CP option means you don't have any money without it?

>>53942039
Normally yes, but there are some jumps where that isn't really an option. See >>53942082

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Mirror of Kagami seems like a useless artifact.

>>53942082
Now you've got me curious, which jumps do that? The default is that any cash you can get via CP is _in addition_ to whatever your origin gives you.

>>53942110
which jump?

>>53942092
>>53942112
Lets use OOTS for an example, all of the origins come with class levels. Someone with class levels should have considerable wealth, you should be more than level one if you are already an Adventurer or Rival to one.

A level 2 Adventurer starts with 900 gold and presumably a Rival, being just an evil adventurer, would start with the same. A level 1 NPC starts with the same. A drop in starts with nothing so is irrelevant.

Now even under the most conservative possible starting point for your characters far weaker than any named character ever is outside of flashbacks to their childhood your origin should have 9 times as much money as is offered for 50 CP. Would you feel comfortable assuming the jump that calls 100 gold a considerable amount of money actually gives you at minimum 9 times what is charges cp for?

>>53942178
>>53942178
Yes, because I'd rightly assume the gold option is just one of the most common ways to fill a sometimes necessary 50cp option so someone isn't left with 50cp leftover at the end of a build. I would not assume the jump is balanced around 50cp=100gp. That would be dumb of me.

>>53942178
OOTS is a poorly designed jump.

>>53942178
Sure, let's use OOTS. It's a _deliberately stereotypical_ D&D setting. That means 100 GP _is_ a lot of wealth to your average inhabitant, who tends to think in terms of copper pieces per day (where 1 gold piece = 100 copper pieces). Adventurers are the millionaires of the setting.

Heck, OOTS even lampshaded this in one of its strips (the one where the villages see the adventurers coming towards town, and suddenly all the prices on the billboards jump by orders of magnitude).

>>53941977
Maybe before the pdf was a merge of multiple jumps.

Why isn't there a Pajama Sam / Spy Fox / Freddie Fish jump?

>>53942249
Yes but it isn't a lot of money to an adventurer, an adventurer would encounter serious problems if they were as poor as the average peasant (such as all the prices being marked up). Casters could cast spells for coin to fund a quest to put them back on their feet but a Fighter?

A jumper that goes Fighter either breaks out the OOC or stops being an adventurer until they can save up some coin.

>>53942333
Or, they start with the basic amount of money expected of them, and can buy more for a relatively expensive (or so you seem to be indicating) CP cost. If you want to run it that backgrounds all leave you destitute if there's an option to buy EXTRA money then go for it, but that doesn't have to be the case.

>>53942333
Of course it's not a lot of money to an adventurer. They're fucking _adventurers_. You're complaining that the 50 CP option to have a rather nice amount of spending money at the local inns and taverns isn't scaled to suit two of the four backgrounds, when those two will already have far more assets to begin with!

Furthermore, that 50 CP nets you the convenience of instant liquidity, as opposed to the 100 CP you could spend to get a palm-size chunk of fucking Starmetal: worth about 10000 GP per pound in 2nd Edition, which has a similar market "economy" to 3.5e, and if memory serves was worth similar fuckloads in OOTS due to its rarity. And if you took NPC for 50 CP, you can get that chunk for free!

>>53942447
Note that you get that chunk of starmetal every week. Even if a "palm-sized chunk" weighed merely an ounce, that's still the equivalent of several hundred GP you could pawn off 52 times a year.

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>>53938776
Hey Nikamoth, sorry only just got around to reading the jump through.

Some feedback:
The "Farm or Winery" item seems to cut off at the end.
Lucky Angel Ring seems to have a copy/pasted leftover sentence in it - "The gold band resembles The gem itself is small and easy to wear in combat."
If we take both the "Protecting Alm/Celica" and "With Alm/Celica" drawbacks, is the jump's duration extended?
Is the Witch of Jesse's Offer based on anyone canon or OC?

Also a build:

Location: The Islands

Zofia (Free)
Knight (Free)

Perks
Midair Dodge Shoot (Free)
It's Not My Fault (Free)
Far Shot (100)
A Hero Mustn't Spurn A Lady's Wishes (100)
To Protect My Loved Ones (200)
Dread Fighter (200)
The Melting Pot of Ideals (300)
Plowing Through (300)
Mila's Bounty (Free)
The Earth Mother's Cooking (100)
The Loved And Loving (150)
I can Learn From Anything (200)
Famous Knight (200)
Improbable Outfit Mastery (100)
Reunited At The Crossroads of Fate (100)

Items
Item Stipend (+200)
Blessed Sword (Free)
Crate Of Ram’s Wine (Free)
A Worthy Steed (Free)
Hidden Pocket (200)
Rapid Growth Angel Ring (200)

Drawbacks
No Alcohol (+100)
Cheese Eater (+100)
King Lima the Ivth, May The Powers Bless Him and His Name Until The End of Days (+100)
With Celica (+200)
Protecting Celica (+200)
Wanted by Rigel (+300)
Berkut's rival (+300)

Scenario Rewards:
Thanatophaghes (Free, What Lurks In The Labyrinth Of Thabes)
The Cure, The Dracolich Cult, Sophia (Free, A Cure For Witches)
The Desert Kingdom, The Witch, (Free, Jesse's Offer - not taking the mercs as companions)

>>53942612
>Crit
Yeah, I'll keep those in mind. Whoops.

>If we take both the "Protecting Alm/Celica" and "With Alm/Celica" drawbacks, is the jump's duration extended?

Yep!

>Is the Witch of Jesse's Offer based on anyone canon or OC?

OC and a lot of her details are up to the individual jumper to decide.

It's almost 4 AM time for a question.
Should I make Baou the Mamodo capstone, or put that in their supplement

>>53942796
Wait nevermind I'm retarded it has to go in the supplement otherwise you could have a human with Baou and that's literally impossible

>>53940320
Didn't Satan was able to to pull three buses and punch through one?

And that was without using Ki. Satan is a beast.

>>53940991
>Strongest human in the world who CAN use ki

Wasn't that Yamcha? Or the androids, who are now human.

>>53943024
>Didn't Satan was able to to pull three buses and punch through one?

A quick search says the average tour bus back during the early 2000s weighed around 25,000lbs and used stainless steel for their sidings.
Also, he pulled 4 not 3.

>>53942796
>Baou
I know it's a cool power and all, but isn't there only one in the entire existence? You should at least put it under some heavy drawback considering how hard to control it was.

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[Tap Titans]

Huh. I've never seen a gauntlet that lets you straight up leave right at the start, instead of just let you resume normal jumping if you fail.

I...suppose I do? This sword's too heavy. My feet hurt. I miss being an infinite perfection energy sovereign. I wish I was back home in my comfyverse, not sweating it out here like some filthy fleshbag of calcium deposits and infested liquids-

-my Benefactor throws me a hurt look. The I-know-this-is-humiliating-but-please-play-along-voyeurism-is-literally-my-life look.

...aw, shucks. It's not like there's anything at stake, and I can't resist that look.

Drawbacks: Ten, Nine, Eight...X5, Real World Travel Times, Economics, Countdown (500)

Monsters Carry Money? (Free)
Critical Hit (Free)
No Bear Asses (Free)
Swinging All Day (300)
Cooldown Amulet (200)
Critical Token: Crit chance (0)

And so, away I go. Ignoring the impoverished villages and ambiguously endangered kingdoms to go play at this farce of knighthood. Slashing the air by day and slicing the wind by night to conserve energy, living off the land (and the occasional monster). I fight dirty and I try to hit first whenever possible; it's easier said than done when all your opponents are monsters, but it's not as hard as you think once you get into the swing of things.

Eventually, it becomes rather monotonous. The monsters and I come to an understanding of sorts; they also apparently work on a deadline, while I'm starting to find my rhythm when it comes to killing them.

Sword goes in, guts come out, that's what this gauntlet is all about.

I haven't showered in a month. My latest opponent seems to be trying to hold it's breath. I take that as my cue to leave, throw down my sword and tell my would-be bossfight to give my regards to Mrs. Pink Squid Cyclops and the kids.

I'd forgotten how quickly grime builds up in organic flesh and mundane matter. I abandon my sword and strip out of my armour before walking off into the sunset, to lands unknown.

>>53941806
What game is this pic from?

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Dies anyone know how a person could go about combining a bunch of stuff that probably should not combine?

I want to combine my oots ioun stones with my mordite chunk from dresden as well as my floaty crown stones from zendikar and my crown of flames from marvel magic into some form of floating eldritch death flame crown.

>>53943692
Import them into your Sacred Treasure in SDS, that's the only thing I can think of to combine non weapon stuff like that.

>>53943692
one of the Final Fantasy jumps has crystal combining. If you're fluffing them as all being magic crowns aion : Tower of eternity has the arms fusion crafter which lets you move the magic around.

>>53943692
Duct Tape Fusion from Invader Zim.

>>53943852
Doesnt that just make a disgusting jumble though and not something really useable?

>>53943928
The maker said many many threads ago that it would combine stuff completely so fanwank I guess.

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>>53941766
Well...Fuck.

>>53938087
>Last Thread
>>53926629

>>53944115
You the real MVP anon.

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>>53941766
That kind of crap is why I specifically avoided drawbacks that affect my companions OAA,Hope your wife can forgive you for completely fucking over her political ideology....

>>53944142
Hey, bancho, remember that not talking thing you were doing? Go back to doing that.

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From Marvel Magic's notes:
>Female jumpers start with an extra 99 CP.
I don't really get the angle of that joke.
Can someone enlighten me please?

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>>53944187
I kind of wasn't doing that in the first place, Where did you get that idea?

>>53944277
Wishful thinking, not even that guy I just wish you would go away to another thread.

>>53944273
It gives nothing.

>>53942236
It's nowhere near the best I've ever seen, but it's not nearly the worst, either. There's some decently useful perks for interacting with narratives, and some of the items are actually pretty good. The author seems to have tried to do too many things at once (perks are mostly based on the weird comic mechanics, section on D&D mechanics, etc.) while leaving as much room to fanwank as they thought possible.

If they wanted to focus on the comic's internal logic, they could have put the actual D&D mechanics as a footnote and just said you could learn classes in-setting at a regular rate. You start out with more than enough time for that.

As it is, it reads like it's trying to please or at least be inofffensive to everyone who could possibly come across it, and it suffers a little for that.

>>53943611
Looks like one of the Heroes of Might and Magic games. I'm guessing HoMM 3.

>>53942236
OOTS ?

>>53944375
Order Of The Stick

>>53944375
Order of the Stick. It's a D&D webcomic that's been running since 2003.

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How do I get to the Retconnian?

Hey /JC/ what's the best between the God perks or the Doom perks in Marvel Magic ?

>>53938739
So what does this mean?

>>53944575
I would say get Doom's perk line and Skyfather. The rest of the God perks are not that great.

>>53944575
Depends on what you're after, really. Personally I think it's easier to find substitutes for the Doom perks elswhere in the chain than it is for becoming a mini Skyfather.

>>53944669
It's the opposite though. Anyone and everyone can get Skyfather stuff and above relatively easily, there's very little in the way of true learning perks on that level, and something like The Power is Jumper's is basically found nowhere else in the entire chain.

>>53944666
>>53944669
Thanks.

Rolled 5, 5, 3, 1, 1, 4 = 19 (6d5)

>>53944592
There's 10 separate arcana divided in pairs of 2 in MtA, so that roll means I got 6 pairs complete pairs with 2 extra. Although that could just mean they got the same Arcana pair 6 times, so I guess I should roll for what Arcana I got?

1.) Aether: Prime, Forces
2.) Arcadia: Fate, Time
3.) Pandemonium: Mind, Space
4.) Primal Wild: Spirit, Life
5.) Stygia: Death, Matter

>>53944837
So, it's 2 Aether, 1 Pandemonium, 1 Primal Wild, and 2 Stygia. Considering I can't make real use of more than 1 of each, the extras are basically useless unless I use them as an extended mana pool or something, so I'll just ignore them. My natural Arcana Mastery is Arcadia, so I have a full set already.

>>53944837
Just remember that you can only reach master level in 3 Arcana unless you ignore the jumps rules. I wouldn't blame you if you do, I'm very tempted to do so myself (and am doing so already for one thing the jumpmaker got flat out wrong from the game).

>>53944974
That's wrong actually. It says that you can't have more than 5 Gnosis, and that your arcana have to advance according to that chart and are capped by Gnosis level, but it doesn't say anything about whether or not you're allowed to acquire other people's mastery, which wouldn't have any relation to your own abilities given by the jump. So no, I'm not ignoring or breaking any rules.

>>53944273
>One More Deal
...
Wait.

What?

It let's you do literally any magic you can do for free, so long as it is part of a deal, but has nothing about the deals being fair or balanced or anything.

>Hey, companion A. I really want this paper clip I just put on the table. Will you give it to me in exchange for a magically binding agreement that I destroy the enemy using a ritual I can do but would take years of preparation and cost more than I can pay? Yes? Cool, thanks.

Is this jump still a WIP or is it actually done?

I fear I'm stepping into territory that has been shitposted about, but I ignore shitposting most of the time so forgive me if this has already been covered. It is not my intent to stir up trouble, I just don't see how this is... I'm going to stop here.

>>53945017
Oh, you're doing it using out of jump methods! Yeah, that wouldn't break any rules, and is basically what I want to do. The jump just limits your Gnosis which limits how many you can master 'naturally'.

>>53945038
That does seem like a rather nasty loophole. I guess the intention was that the magic would be related to the deal you are making.

>>53945109
You are probably right. The jumpmaker might want to add in a line to that effect.

>>53945038
I guess you could do that. If you had the power and ability to do that in the first place.

It would be something on the lines:

>I will give you my soul in exchange of you killing my waifu's lover

So, instead of going through the process of scrying the victim locations and using a long-range magic to give him a heart-attack, you simply snap your fingers skip the process. It's something that you could do, but you don't waste time and can collect the soul.

Rolled 1, 2 = 3 (2d10)

>>53944929
Actually, now that I think about it, I could transfer those over to my companions, so I shouldn't ignore them or the extra two that I forgot to roll for the first time.

1.) Prime
2.) Forces
3.) Arcadia: Fate
4.) Time
5.) Pandemonium: Mind
6.) Space
7.) Spirit
8.) Life
9.) Death
10.) Matter

>>53945212
Yeah, it effectively gives you free access to even the most costly of spells, so long as you have someone willing to play along, and if you have spells that powerful you can probably just make a perfectly loyal homunculus or something to make deals with if you're worried. I'm pretty sure that's not the intention of the perk, just an oversight on the jump makers part.

>>53945038
Since when did deals need to be fair? Mephistopholese and dormamu fuck ocer people with deals fairl often.

>>53944974
Actually, IIRC you can create custom spells in MtA as long as you have the relevant Arcana at sufficient levels, so would it be possible to use the Arcana levels of other people when casting spells and which Arcana would be neccessary and at what level for that?

>>53945353
If you mean using entirely in system methods I don't think you can use other people's magic, at least not freely. There are some odd rules on how to cast spells together, but that's not the effect you're after. You're pretty much going to have to use out of jump methods to get a hold of other people's arcana.

Try to get Path's, if you can, since it's easier to cast within your Path. As it so happens, the deal making perk being discussed above would let you make just such a deal. Find some banishers in setting, or people who hate their magic but aren't yet banishers, and make a deal to take their Path away from them.

>>53945353
You can kind of do this. Every participant has to have at least one dot in each of the Arcana used in the spell, and the leader of the group casting has to meet all the requirements. So you couldn't just have your companions pitch in with the Arcana you need. You could have each companion specialize in a specific set of Arcana, and have everyone get at least one dot in each, so you can work together when working with those Arcana by having them lead. But if you ever needed a combination of effects from Arcana that you don't have in a set you'd be out of luck.

Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya
Easily Embarrassed +100 not fun
Need Prana +300 I'm getting something for this
The Darkness Will Spread Until It Turns The World Into a Prison+600 so there's just this big pile of Mystic codes and treasure in this alternate world ready for looting, also the combination of EA and Akhilleus Kosmos will pretty much let me mow through them without taking damage. As for the cube I'm shrinking it down and sealing it in a Sylladex card

Magus-100
Magic circuits first purchase free
Basic Magical Skills free for Magus
Hypnosis free for Magus
Zelretch’s Student-400 discount for Magus
Wishcraft -600 who has time to bother with memorizing spills anymore
Reagents free for Magus handy
Zelretch’s Notes-300 discount for Magus. This should help me understand.
Emerald-600 need mana from somewhere

The plan:. Step zero fight heroic spirits Step one have minions publish lots of science papers . Step two have them Rick and Morty portal gun everyone world to a world that isn't dying Step three kill Ainsworths in reverse chronological order, i.e. youngest to oldest Step five See drawbacks . Details step six clean up this mud, step seven study with my new teacher

>>53945484
Why not teach MTA magic to a bunch of souls, get the people to level it up, then eat them?

>>53945747
At that point you either have no reason to, because you'd already be significantly more powerful than doing so would make you, or you'd risk biting off more than you could chew, with the souls being buff enough to actually put up a fight against you.

>>53945747
How would one go about teaching people MtA magic to others? I know it isn't possible in jump, but surely we have perks to do this.

>>53945816
You need a perk to teach people foreign magic systems, I only know of assassination classroom and generic xianxia that have perks to actually do that. Maybe we have more but I dont know.

>>53945816
I'm pretty sure there's something for that in JL Dark.

>>53945816
Numerologic Sorcerous Tutelage (Exalted Sidereals) can
"teach whatever magic system you know to anyone, limited only by their understanding of mathematics"

>>53945893
Different anon here.
Damn that's cool. Definitely writing that down for future reference.

Jumpers who always choose drop-in, what do you do about jumps that don't have a drop-in option? Skip, fanwank, or start a new life?

>>53945917
It also has another perk for doing the same with supernatural martial arts, Perfected Lotus Cultivating Gardener.

And of course the excellent Always an Ending which not only lets you kill anything, it also explicitly prevents any bad consequences of doing so that would otherwise happen if you kill something that holds up reality or something like that.

Seriously, that jump just has tons of great perks. And they're scattered all over, so you can never take them all.
I know it's good jump design, but that doesn't make it less frustrating.

So, did Spyro and Tophat just stopped working on Birth By Sleep altogether?

Since MtA got brought up, what could a cabal of Mages with Mastery of every Arcana between them accomplish in their Sanctum?

Just from looking over the wiki and the short descriptions of Mastery in the jump, it would seem that you could make a Hollow, create life that's stronger than natural life, create sentient minds to use their bodies, make super materials and enchanted objects capable of storing mana and spells, make the Sanctum a non-euclidean madhouse with temporal fluctuations, and make the whole thing super lucky. Is there anything obvious that I'm missing?

>>53946046
Maybe summon angels, undead, and demons for guardians.

Im kind of confused what making a sanctum actually does sinve it apparently requires you dumping chunks of your soul into it.

>>53946423
It just allows you to create an area where no paradox happens, so it's pretty necessary if you want to be able to get away with whatever magic you want. Of note is that it's probably feasible to make your sanctum mobile and invisible, making you allowed to do magic anywhere without fear of repercussion.

>>53945038
What >>53945212

>>53945263
The spells aren't free. They still need to be paid for. It just lets you skip the menial stuff like incantations and whatnot so as to be suitably dramatic. The spell still requires the requisite magical energy and if you have a spell that says someone has to be sacrificed, they still have to die – you just don't have to go through the three paragraphs of gobbledygook normally required for the spell.

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How do I safety become a Shade in Inheritance Cycle?

>>53946501
You can't. You become a Shade by letting spirits possess and completely subsume you. You're dead if you become one.

>>53946501
You don't, Shades are when you shove a bunch of spirits into a person, and spirits go insane when this happens. So at the least you'll end up with a lot of insane screaming voices in your head.

>>53946533
>>53946539
With OoC abilities?

>>53946551
If you prevent the spirits from taking over, then you're not a Shade. That's literally their whole thing. So no, there is no way to safely become a Shade due to the very nature of their existence.

>>53940410
>Also, when does Symbiote start getting nuts?
3.15 starts a sequence of using animal-shaped biodrones for recon, to the point of covering an entire state, and combat involving carbon-compound crab-legged tanks.

Can someone post the latest WoW WIP?

>>53946592
Fine, I'll be a not!Shade Mr Pedant.
I'll let the Spirits in and enslave them to my will for a similar set of abilities.

>>53946474
Could a bunch of Masters in a Sanctum beat an Archmaster?

>>53946474
I mainly use I Am The Fortress from Master Of Magic that lets you count as always benefiting from your Place Of Power wherever you actually are, meaning you could install your MtA Sanctum inside your Place Of Power then use paradox-free magic wherever you want (though still subject to Disbelief IIRC).

>>53946474
>>53946674
Why not just use I Cheat to do that anyway?

Could a Mage with Mastery in Fate magic break the Yozi Surrender Oaths?

>>53946701
Because I did not go to whatever jump I Cheat is from (Justice League if i'm not mistaken) until quite later in my chain. Also because I had used my Place Of Power to install quite a bit of other stuff inside, so I just kept using it.

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>>53946610

>>53946783
*Justice League Dark
Damnit Captcha, eating my words

>>53946784
Thank you.

>>53942120
Infernals.

>>53943348
I don't think I was actually expecting anyone to make a build for that.

Speaking of Infernals jump, does anyone here actually know how the mass combat rules work for Exalted? Since apparently that's a big draw to the Vassal's Sword. I tried looking up but can't make heads or tails of the stuff.

>>53946996
>Speaking of Infernals jump, does anyone here actually know how the mass combat rules work for Exalted?
They're bullshit and no one likes them or cares about them. They don't translate at all from the mechanics to the jumps, most STs hate and don't use them, and in general they're really dumb and bad.

>>53946763
I think surrender oaths are a lot more metaphysical for that to work

>>53944273
Marvel is super SJW now.

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So, if I use fate-manipulation, alternate dimension travel and time-travelling in Drakengard, could I get Androids as companions?

>>53946996
Basically makes everyone worse at combat.

>>53947354
Why not wait for automata?

>>53947354
Just wait for Val to make the jumps.

>>53947354
Just make your own, she's an android.

>>53947435
>>53947426
I always end up spending too much CP on her new jumps.

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>>53946763
Not a chance.

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>>53938220
>How is the Infernal Update coming?
Glacially.

I'm generally more inclined to work on Fair Folk than the Infernals update, so it's even slower progress there.

Still, I got some time to work on it today, so it's starting to progress a bit.

>>53946996
Basically, a mass combat unit led by you works like equipment, giving you some bonusses. But mass combat also limits your combat abilities like Melee and Martial Arts to your War ability, since you need to be a bit more strategic when fighting an army than when you're fighting one guy.

But in practise, you can just ignore the kind-of-botched execution of the Mass Combat rules, and assume the Vassal's Sword makes a lot stronger and able to scythe through the ranks of armies with ease.

>>53946763
Possibly? You'd have to be stronk with MtA Fate Magic though, but I think it's possible.

>>53946763
Why not use 3rd magic to END the binding?

Or use the blazblue sword to cut it?

Or use sidereals always an ending to kill it?

>>53939957
HACHIROKU DA

>>53947775
Because none of those things explicitly have the ability to break oaths, but the Fate Arcana magic does?

>>53947775
Or just that item in Jack Chick to literally cut the Oaths and render them invalid.

>>53947775
>Why not use 3rd magic to END the binding?
I believe you mean 4th, 3rd magic wouldn't help there. And the 4th might work if it was massively overcharged.

>Or use the blazblue sword to cut it?
Also would need to be massively overcharged, Mucro Regis: Takezo can't automatically cut anything, it depends on the user's power and will. It just has the potential to cut anything.

>Or use sidereals always an ending to kill it?
You'll have to find a way to interact with the oath in order to kill it. How do you kill an intangible construct of spatial manipulation, binding mind control, and being metaphysical anathema to the reality you're trying to enter?

I Saw the new terraria update
Thorium? Why thorium have to be the thing that calamity need to function on? Do the maker really like Thorium that much? It a good mod but Calamity is a standalone mod

>>53946763
I think there's something in God of high school, you might want to see

>>53947877
Game or jump?

>>53947903
No, there isn't. The Keys remove limits on power, not being bound away inside the mutilated still-living flesh of the king of the titans.

>>53947875
>How do you kill an intangible construct of spatial manipulation, binding mind control, and being metaphysical anathema to the reality you're trying to enter?
Realm of Heroes from Civilization?

Or you could just use Stars and Stones from Dresden Files, which explicitly lets you allow others to ignore supernatural oaths.

Not that i understand why you'd want to. The Yozi are assholes.
They are assholes on a level where the solar exalted were deemed better rulers of creation, and they were pretty colossal assholes themselves.

>>53947952
The Primordials did nothing wrong and if the Yozi want to destroy Creation, it deserves everything it has coming to it for fucking things up as bad as they have.

>>53947952
>They are assholes on a level where the solar exalted were deemed better rulers of creation, and they were pretty colossal assholes themselves.
The Solars made the oringinally okay but alien Primodrials into assholes, though.
So the Solars are only less assholes than assholes they made, which makes them even more assholeish, to the point where it is the Solars who are the true assholes.
That even happened not long after the end of the war, before the Curse had a chance to really impact things.

>>53947992
Hear, hear.

>>53947470
Val is a CP sadist who wants to make you beg for more.

>>53948014
~lewd~

>>53947992
Creation is not actually a sentient entity.
And most of the people who live there these days have absolutely nothing to do with all that.

So no, they don't "have it coming", even if that was ever a good excuse for destroying a whole world, which it's not.

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>>53947992
>>53948010
Humans sure do celebrate a social order that had them placed at the very bottom as slaves to all the other beings in Creation, including a bunch of Aztec lizards.

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>>53948014
I would happily beg for more.

>>53948039
No one was ever punished for the Primordial War though, so it only makes sense that the people who benefited from it must also pay the price for their crimes.

>>53948055
Humans sure will look past any moral failing in themselves or others regardless of whether or not the ultimate conclusion is a worse situation for everyone as long as it raises their own social status relative to everyone else.

>>53947992
The Primordials weren't great, but honestly people would be better off if you just destroyed Creation anyway. It's not exactly a fun place to live if you're not an invincible god king. Hell, even Heaven is mostly slums.

Does anyone know where I can get immunity to space warping? I recently realized it's one of the weaknesses left in my paranoia combo.

>>53948108
Humans are still better than they were under the Primordials.

We need a jump about fishing.

>>53948108
What crimes? They weren't even alive when the Primordial War happened.
If the Yozi wanted justice they'd go after it differently.
They're just pissy brats throwing a tantrum because someone else touched their toys.

Hell, one of them is the fucking Ebon Dragon. That kinda says it all right there.

>>53948131
So people would be better off not existing because life isn't all rainbows and butterflies? Edgy much?

Those who'd rather not live can always kill themselves.

>>53948108
>people who benefited from it must also pay the price for their crimes.
Alright, guess you better get to being punished for the innumerable crimes of your ancestors.

>>53948055
I don't think anyone is against the idea of human's getting higher up on the social ladder in Creation than slave (supposedly, it's propoganda I tell you!). It's the unncessarily diskish way it was done that get's my goat.

Why war when Exalt are ridiculously capable in Social Combat? Because the Incarnae wanted to play the Games of Divinity. Not really the Solars fault here, as when war was declared they were still very much under the Incarnae's 'guidance'.

Why torture the surrendered and defeated Primordials? Because by making them as bad as they could, the most monsterous distorted physchologically diseased as they could, the Solars of the day could be assured that the next generations of Solars wouldn't feel the need to undo their work and free them. That is the only reason I can figure for all that unncessary cruelty.

Which makes the Solars of the day, dicks, especially as already mentioned they didn't have the Curse as an excuse for their actions then, it didn't have enough time to make an impact, unlike the way they could be excused for a lot of their later excesses and cruelties.

>>53948138
So we are told. And even if you do accept that at face value, it doesn't change the fact that there was alot of unnecessary cruelty performed against the Primordials (who were prisioners of war at the time) turning them into the Yozi.

>>53948158
How about a jump about stamp-collecting? That would be equally engaging and fun.
Or how about watching paint dry?

>>53948138
No they aren't, simply because the world at large is worse. Why? Because the Primordial War, the Aftershock War, the Usurpation, the Balorian Crusade, all of it fuck Creation up basically forever. And it's the fault of the Exalts and the Gods for starting a fight over personal status, who would rather live on top of a pile of garbage as kings of the waste, than slaves in a world that wasn't broken. They deserve whatever happens to them, because the current situation is the consequence of their own actions.

>>53944273
>I don't really get the angle of that joke.
I think it's a 'take that' at recent stuff like the WTF Thor storyline.

>>53948230
I'd rather be king than live in the muck under the boot of other races, who use you as living sacrifices to their favorite primordial.

>>53948176
>So people would be better off not existing because life isn't all rainbows and butterflies? Edgy much?
In Creation? Yup. The world is on a steady decline, ruled by tyrants who abuse them in a world that treats them as less than dirt. And things will never truly improve because those who are in charge wield powerful magic that effectively makes them invincible to humans to maintain the shitty social order. The only ones who could possibly defeat the people in charge would just be even worse to the normal humans and the only god who would give a damn about helping ans be able to do so is permanently both catatonically depressed and hopelessly addicted to a cosmic vidya. When you die, probably at the end of a short and miserable life, in a painful and humiliating way, the best that you can hope for is that your soul is wiped clean and reincarnated into a new person who will also probably suffer a life that doesn't meaningfully diverge from your own.

>>53948158
That would be nice.

>>53948180
Reminder that the reason mortals were doomed to endless slavery in the first place is because the other Yozis wouldn't let Theion put Spiral Power in Creation. Reminder that he would have let the Exalted rule Creation if they had marched up and approached Theion peacefully instead.

>>53948138
Maybe, but by very much, and everyone else is significantly worse off so that you can say you're in the best state affairs.

>>53948230
Better to rule in Hell, etc.

>>53948306
Everyone else is dead or was allied with the humans in the first place (Jadeborn and Dragon Kings), so not much you can do there.

>>53948302
Vitriol/Theion To wouldn't actually have helped mortals much though. At best, it'd improve them as much everything else, and leave them slightly shinier slaves.

And the idea that Theion would've agreed to that is laughable at best.

>>53948158
There's Animal Crossing.

Clearly the only correct choice is to cure Autobot's cancer and hang out with him, doing SCIENCE!

This is from me opening windows and seeing a failed post. Don't Judge me.
>>53925889
Since no one gave you the answer i'm guessing you were looking for, here. Greentexted jumps are ones I especially believe would be good imaged jumps/would like to see imaged
>Minecraft
>Avatar: TLA
Borderlands
Captain Planet
Castlevania
Any of the 12 Generics
GTA
>Half Life
>Blue Monkey People: Avatar
Neopets
>P0rtal
Rust
>Sabaton
>Scott Pilgrim
Shrek
>Slime Rancher
Splatoon
>Sword Art Online
Total War
>Ultimate Spider Man
>Viscera Cleanup Detail
X-Men Movies
>Youtube
Zootopia

I might image some of these, actually. Do i need author's permission or something? Would rather not make Thread-chan upset.

>>53948348
No, get a Jadeborn waifu then go hang with Autotot.

>>53948158
SAO?

>>53948346
>At best, it'd improve them as much everything else, and leave them slightly shinier slaves.
Except it's been shown repeatedly that most already higher beings are arrogant and complacent. The number of gods and demons that actually train and strive for self improvement is miniscule.

>>53948363
Autothot.

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>>53948348
Agreed. Autobot might be fucking crazy, but at least it's a cool MAD SCIENCE crazy.

>>53948158
Path of Exile? Kappa

>>53948262
Or you, yes you, could be the guy who fixes all these problems after Exalting. Be the Solar who punches out the cruelty of Heaven and lets man have their rule of Creation, become the Devil Tiger that breaks the shackles of hell and brings Creation to it's former glory. Be the Abyssal who redeems himself into a Solar and thus avoids the Great Curse. Fix the broken world as a Fate Ninja.

Creation faces many problems. Literally all of them can be solved with enough Exalted work.

The Earth Alliance did nothing wrong, kill those space monsters in ZAFT,

>>53947877
Good question. I guess some of the mods there need Thorium to function and he didn't take out the freebie bags from mods that don't need it to be nice? Or, if none of them need it, there was some type of collaboration in the actual mods to have items that require both mods installed?

It is unclear.

>>53948158
t. cu

>>53948442
Whenever I see people trying to justify the Primordial War, all I see are what the Exalts and the Gods were; aggressors in a war they could never reasonably justify, who won in the end and simultaneously recognized they couldn't hide the fact that they were the assholes in that situation, but refused to accept that they were assholes and were so far up their own asses about it that they doubled down on it.

You fucked up everything for everyone besides yourselves forever, barely improved your own station, and used the power afforded to you by that improvement to fuck over everyone else and yourselves even harder.

You tried to absolve yourselves of all personal responsibility for the results of your actions and blame them on the victims of your offences, but you are unable because it is clear you are in the wrong. You will live in the ashes of the world you wished to rule over, because that's what you deserve for your success, because that's what you worked to achieve.

>>53948257
Those sacrifices weren't to the primordials, but to the Gods, including the Incarnae.

>>53948346
>And the idea that Theion would've agreed to that is laughable at best.
You don't know him very well, do you?

>>53948348
You are not wrong.

>>53948442
Agreed. That is the whole point of Exalted. Things are messed up, but you have the power to make a difference.

>>53948609
>Those sacrifices weren't to the primordials, but to the Gods
Not true, a lot of the races, like the Lintha, prayed to a Primordial directly.

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>>53948359

I've almost finished the Factorio jump, I wouldn't mind if someone took the pdf and imaged it.

Actually, I'm just going to put a note in my pastebin that anyone can make imaged versions of my jumps if they want to.

>>53948442
>Be the Solar who punches out the cruelty of Heaven and lets man have their rule of Creation
Bound by the curse of mad Titans, my goals will be undone by my own warped nature and I will leave things worse than they began.

>become the Devil Tiger that breaks the shackles of hell and brings Creation to it's former glory.
In becoming an infantile Titan, I strip away much my of human nature to make room for other. In the end, I shall likely lose sight of what drove me to rise up in the first place, probably becoming worse than those I warred against.

>Be the Abyssal who redeems himself into a Solar and thus avoids the Great Curse
And how would that happen, really? Breaking free from the dark chains placed upon me?

>Fix the broken world as a Fate Ninja.
An glorified bureaucrat or politician, to busy playing matchmaker or trying to prevent the broken cogs of the dying world from finally falling apart completely to actually accomplish anything.

And that's assuming I gain a Celestial Exaltation at all, a feat which is less likely to happen than winning the lottery and being struck by lightning.

>>53948609
>Those sacrifices weren't to the primordials, but to the Gods, including the Incarnae.
Mortals were literally created to be Essence batteries to pray to the Primordials.

>>53948668
Can't wait to see it anon.

>>53948390
Maybe. Assuming that it'd need effort, and that the gods would have the exact same attitude despite much more avenues for self-improvement.

>>53948609
>You don't know him very well, do you?
His defining trait is that he rules. Having all the authority and exercising that power over all that he surveys.

The idea that he would let ANYONE else rule anything is delusional.

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Is Dawn of War 2 worth buying? Steam sale is on so it's only like £2 but I cant be arsed downloading it if it's shite.

>>53948674
Except you get an Exaltation of your choice handed to you via jump fiat. Or several of them.
You also get extra perks added on top of that that make you inherently superior even to other exalted, including some that address some of the problems you've listed.

So really, your entire reason for not making things better is "i'm a whiny whiner who can't be bothered to put in actual effort, even when i get all the pieces pretty much handed to me".

>>53948624
Okay, some were to the Primordials, but most went to the Gods. And the primordials mostly asked for prayer, the Dragon Kings outright murdered people for the Unconquered Sun and he didn't say jack about it.

>>53948558
This. Just this! It also fits with how much the demonised the Primordials, converting them into the Yozi and even changed the name of their subsouls from Devas (and other specialised terms that were synonymous) into Demons.

Also, wasn't it implied somewhere that the Primordial War, the first act of Usurptation in Creation somehow created/caused/was linked in someway to the following Ursurpations?

>>53948674
>Bound by the curse of mad Titans, my goals will be undone by my own warped nature and I will leave things worse than they began.
You let a little thing like that stop you? Geez, what a scrub-tier Exalted.

>, I strip away much my of human nature to make room for other. I
Your DT-ing wrong. Dts are better than Primordials because they can KEEP their human nature as well as gain all the benefits of being Primordial. You can throw it away but that would be stupid. Don't be stupid.

>And how would that happen, really?
It's explanined in Scroll of Errata, but basically its a roleplaying opportunity.

>actually accomplish anything.
Seriously. Try harder. You can't just give up all agency to make the world a better place, because you've got a job!

>And that's assuming I gain a Celestial Exaltation at all, a feat which is less likely to happen than winning the lottery and being struck by lightning.
Given how your talking I think you wouldn't meet the prereq's in terms of heroic spirit and motivation anyhow. Also your responding to a post where being Exalted was built into the premise. Don't move goal posts.

>>53948725
I'd say yes. I had quite a few hours of fun with it at least.
If it comes with the expansions it's definitely worth it.

>>53948558
The justification for the Primordial War is that they're being kept as slaves. Mortals have an actual justification for the war because they were basically being kept as fleshy essence batteries for the Primordial to eat but only after a short life of horrible slavery, becoming the king of a pretty damn awesome kingdom is better then dying in the sewers of a slightly better one. The Incarne have a lot more vague motivations but can reasonably be interpreted either as trying to free themselves and Creation from the Primordial cruelty or as manipulative bastards who wanted nothing more then to rule, both are valid.

The heights of the First Age, when the Solars weren't full crazy yet from the curse, was apparently pretty great to be mortal in.

>>53948674
>Bound by the curse of mad Titans, my goals will be undone by my own warped nature and I will leave things worse than they began.
Break the curse. You're a Solar Exalted, that's a thing you can do.

>In becoming an infantile Titan, I strip away much my of human nature to make room for other. In the end, I shall likely lose sight of what drove me to rise up in the first place, probably becoming worse than those I warred against.
Nothing about becoming a Devil Tiger strips away your humanity. You simply become enlightened as to what you already are. The Infernal who gives off the Howl of the Devil Tiger can remain mortal in mind. The Green Sun Princes have freedom.

>And how would that happen, really? Breaking free from the dark chains placed upon me?
Flip the switch in your Exaltation somehow.

>An glorified bureaucrat or politician, to busy playing matchmaker or trying to prevent the broken cogs of the dying world from finally falling apart completely to actually accomplish anything.
Except you can still make a difference because you're a high ranking politician in the center of Heaven.

>And that's assuming I gain a Celestial Exaltation
The game isn't called Mortals.

>>53948696
Well, yeah, but everything in nature serves a role or fills a niche somewhere, does that mean it should rail against the heavens for existing?
Besides, it's no bad thing as it means humanity is valuable and worth keeping around, at least collectively.

>>53948715
>The idea that he would let ANYONE else rule anything is delusional.
He does delegate, you know. He'd never put anyone in a position of authority above him, but as a trusted subordinate, or even one given a lot of authority and autonomy is possible, especially for a Solar.

>>53948736
Agreed.

>>53948715
I do believe he meant rule Creation, as in the world where all the mortal plebs and the gods (used to) live, rather than Creation as a whole. That seems to play into the "if my subjects are awesome, then I'm even more awesome" thing Theion seems to have at times. People talked about this concept before and it seemed reasonable enough in that context.

>>53948736
Oh, no, I was talking about it from the perspective of a random dude in Creation, not a jumper. Even fucking 40k isn't without hope if you throw a jumper into the mix.

>>53948769
What expansions do you recommend then? Given the prices right now I could get them all most likely but I'm not sure if I should.

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>>53948359
>Viscera Cleanup Detail
Huh, really? I didn't think anyone cared about that... Go ahead if you'd like to image it, I suppose?

>>53948674
You definitely would never Exalt with such a defeatist attitude. You'd end up as some low-ranking demon cultist that gets executed by a hunting party of fresh Dragonblooded.

>>53948784
>Well, yeah, but everything in nature serves a role or fills a niche somewhere, does that mean it should rail against the heavens for existing?
If it's given sentience and then told it's grand meaning in the universe is "Fuck you I was hungry." then yes.

>>53948775
>The Incarne have a lot more vague motivation
Well the UCS at least is genuinely heroic and benevolent at least, the point of actual stupidity. See surrendering himself to the Primordials to save a single human.

>>53948799
Even a random dude can better at least his own life and that of his immediate social circle if he applies himself.
Sure, he could die. But isn't it better to die on your feet than to live on your knees?

Not to mention that that is exactly the attitude that gets you exalted, so the system basically chooses people who'd actually make use of it already.
If you've already given up even an exaltation won't save you.

>>53948784
>Well, yeah, but everything in nature serves a role or fills a niche somewhere, does that mean it should rail against the heavens for existing?
If that role is "you're a slave" then yes. Every sentient being has the right of self determination and all that. Doesn't matter if your slavemaster is another human, a god or whatever else. Every slave has the right to fight for his freedom.

And really, if you look at why creation is fucked these days it's basically because of the Primordeals being sore losers - the Great Curse.
Because life in the First Age, while not perfect, was a lot better than what came before. At least until the Curse fucked it up for everyone.

>>53948800
Chaos Rising is definitely worth it. I was hooked enough to finish my first playthrough of the singleplayer campaign in 2 days, and i've replayed it a few times too.

Retribution not so much, or at least i didn't find it as engaging.

>>53948775
>>53948741
>Your DT-ing wrong
>Nothing about becoming a Devil Tiger strips away your humanity
Not him, but the way Infernals work – not even DTs, just Infernals – is basically demonic transhumanism, replacing parts of how they work with what are literally the very being of Yozis.

>>53948775
>The heights of the First Age, when the Solars weren't full crazy yet from the curse, was apparently pretty great to be mortal in.
And shit for everyone else, and probably only better for mortals relative to everyone else who you turned around and oppressed even more then you were oppressed. Don't act like just because everything went to shit for everyone who wasn't you that it somehow made your life better and justifies ruining everyone else's lives.

Humans, from the way they behaved after getting the run of things, have proven that they have always deserved the way the other races treated them. You drive the world into the ground and oppress the people who kept you as slaves worse then you were treated, you prove without a shadow of a doubt that you legitimately belong at the bottom of the social ladder.

>>53948824
Actually I'd probably just die of dysentery, I think.

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>>53948158
If I made pic related would you be happy?

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Who are the best Dragon Ball characters?

>>53948775
>The justification for the Primordial War is that they're being kept as slaves
So were are told, with no evidence from suspect sources.

>>53948775
>Mortals have an actual justification for doing something
FTFY. They had justification for doing something, not war specifically, although your talk about fleshy batteries implies you don't understand how Cult works. No one gets eaten as part of the process, anon.

>both are valid.
True, although I lean to the manipulative bastards side of things myself.

>>53948799
We are in the jumpchain thread, anon. Naturally we'd be talking from that perspective.

>>53948791
>People talked about this concept before and it seemed reasonable enough in that context.
I think I remember some of those conversations. They certainly seemed reasonable to me.

>>53948837
Oh anon. It doesn't matter how you were brought into this world, the important thing is that you're here and can stay for as long as you can manage. Nothing has a truly pure starting point, you should just be glad you had one in the first place, alot of things never had that chance.
Ah, Mewtwo, you taught me so much...

>>53948906
>because of the Primordeals being sore losers - the Great Curse.
So you wouldn't have any hate in heart at all for someone who just burst into your home, betrayed your trust, killed for family, friends and pets, and then piece by piece cut you up until you faced a death you thought would never come? And that hate wouldn't drive you to perform the only form of revenge/justice you had avilable to you?
Get off your high horse.

>>53948942
Dragon Kings had it pretty good too, only Jadeborn got fucked. Everyone else was extinct so they don't matter.

>>53948978
I don't know anything about it.

The Fool Origin is the best origin in Fate/Zero because you get a car that can run over heroic spirits

Which means you can run over Gilgamesh with a car for jokes

>>53948988
Chichi.

>>53948997
>with no evidence from suspect sources
Go ask a Dragon King, if you can find a sane one. He'll tell you.

>>53948942
>And shit for everyone else
No it fucking wasn't. It was great for mortals, it was great for Exalts, and it was great for gods. "Everyone else" is Yozis and Fair Folk.

>>53948988
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Vados

>>53948359
>i need author's permission or something
Usually yes.

>>53948942
>And shit for everyone else
What everyone else? The Mountain Folk? It was fine for them. The Dragon Kings? They prospered. The gods and elementals? Oh no, they actually had to do their jobs. The Lintha?...okay, yeah, it was shit for them, but the Lintha are assholes (and no, not because of how they were treated, they were always awful). No one cares about the Lintha.

>Don't act like just because everything went to shit for everyone who wasn't you that it somehow made your life better and justifies ruining everyone else's lives.
Quality of life was pretty good for humans, though. Dreams of the First Age confirms that, the human population of Creation lived at a level equal to modern day first-world nations at worst, and far in advance in the best parts of the world.

>>53948988
Picollo is pretty good.

>>53948867
Even then the UCS is flawed. His virtues aren't always shining bright. He can be frustrated and make mistakes still.

>>53948913
Yeah but the Yozi's did a hackjob. Infernal's can straight up ignore their Urge if they have the balls to take the punishment. The "Demonic Transformation" amounts to nagging them to do their job and be good people by Yozi standards and punishing them if they don't.

>>53948942
That's a powerful edge their mate.

Slaves rising against their horrible master are going to do some brutal shit if left to their devices. It doesn't mean rising up was wrong. Any sentient being has a right to want a better life, especially one born at the bottom of the heap.

No one is good in Exalted, no one is pure evil. Good and Evil explicitly do not exist as objective things.

>>53948978
You're the jumpmaker /jc/ deserves, Blade.
An unsung hero of our time.

>>53949039
Isn't he the Only Sane Man of DB?

>>53948913
Not really, it should be more a process of accumulation. Building on the foundation of being a humana and an exalt, tweaking the exaltation to match your needs and then becoming more like a primodrial without losing what you already had. Unless you unwisely create a Cosmic Principle of similar charm for yourself that strips away your advantages relative to a primordial, which is mechanically represented by a loss of all attributes and abilities.
So long as you avoid that mistake or something like it, then you retain the important faculty Yozi/Primordials never had, the ability to function outside of your themes, and as an Exalt, you can function outside your themes very well indeed.

>>53949001
>only Jadeborn got fucked
After the war a lot of Gods and races loyal to the Primordials were forced underground and their names lost. There could be countless races suffering for their ancestor's allegiences in the Underground of Creation. But fuck them right, cause they've been arbitrarily designated Creature s of Darkness so no one important has to care.
So go tell them they didn't get fucked even harder than the Jadeborn why don't you.

>>53949034
Please see above

>>53949012
>He'll tell you.
Ha, nice joke.

>>53948997
>FTFY. They had justification for doing something, not war specifically, although your talk about fleshy batteries implies you don't understand how Cult works. No one gets eaten as part of the process, anon.
A reminder that it is literally impossible to convince a Primordial of anything they don't want to hear. You will only ever get good treatment from a Primordial that already wants to treat you well, you can't persuade them to change their mind. The only way to change this is to murder their component souls. So yeah, violence is the only answer. Why do people not get this part? "Oh, the Exalted have so much social-fu, I'm sure they could have had a peaceful solution if they had just talked it out. Instead they went right for killing the Primordials, what barbarians." No, fuck you, maybe it was wrong but there wasn't any other option.