EDH/Commander General

>>53931479
Unban Karakas
Unban Balance
Ban Island

>>53931479
Ban Mana Vault
Ban Mana Crypt
Unban Prophet of Kruphix

>>53931479
Ban Laboratory Maniac
Ban Doomsday
Ban Ad Nauseam

>>53931479
Ban Sol Ring
Ban Mana Crypt
Ban Cyclonic Rift

It's really obvious.

>>53931479
Ban Forests
Ban Islands
Ban Swamps

>>53931479
Ban Iona
Ban grindstone
Unban Painter's servent.

>>53931708
seconding this

>>53931479
>You have been selected by Sheldon to make THREE(3) changes to the banlist. Each change meaning you can ban or unban something. 1 card per change. What do you change?
Ban: Sol Ring
Ban: Mana Crypt
Unban: Biorhythm

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What deck convinced you to pull the trigger on buying cards you really should have bought earlier?

My brother decided to finally buy a Wheel of Fate in anticipation of The Locust God.

>>53931801

>Ban a 9 mana card
>Ban a discard card in a 100 card format

u fockin wot

>>53931708
>Ban Cyclonic Rift
complete srubtown

>>53931833
the combo is painte's serv + grindstone
they were retarded and banned the wrong half of the combo
I agree with this whole heartedly but only had 3 slots so i didnt go that route

>>53931833
Painters Servant + Grindstone mills someone totally. Painters Servant + Iona keeps people from casting entirely. He wants to play Painters Servant but realizes that it's dumb with those cards.

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>>53931479
Ban
Warp World
Great Aurora

Unban
>pic related

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>>53931479

Ban Foodchain
Ban Labman
Ban Mana Vault

>>53931833
Panter's servant and grindstone = mill an entire deck.
Iona and painter's Servent = lock everyone but you out of the game.
Painter's servent has a weird effect that's fun to play with. Grindstone is useless outside of the combo and Iona is the "unfun" they claim to be banning that punishes decks for playing monocolor, when they already get punished for being monocolor.

>>53931918
>Labman
tfw its 70% of cEDH decks main wincons
>Foodchain
ftw its damn near the other 30%
yeah... that is something that needs to be considered

>>53931951
Yeah, takes out most of the combo quick kills with those two. Karador and Ghave can still manage to go off, as can Selvala. Yidris, Breya, and Jeleva storm can use Aetherflux/Tendrils instead of Lab Man, stax decks like Derevi and GAAIV would be okay, Yisan, Tasigur, Gitrog, Edric, Sidisi...

The real problem is that it hardly hurts Teferi at all. He should be the third ban, not Mana Vault. Or the Chain Veil.

UNBAN everything. Come at me.

>>53931918
i'm ok with this

>>53932090
>He should be the third ban
no just ban crypt
teferi is completely fine

>>53932092
>Blue: The Artifacting

>>53932090

They're never, ever banning the face commander of a precon, and Chain Veil isn't an issue outside of that deck.

>>53932166
But this is happy funtime land where I can pretend they might.

>>53932166
its not even an issue in the deck its just a standard win condition

>>53932092
Counterargument: Ban everything.

Ban Cyclonic Rift
Ban Derevi
Unban Recurring Nightmare

>>53932285
>how to tell the whole world how dumb you are in one post

>>53932322
t. blue player

>>53931479
Unban everything.
Bring back banned as commander.
Add Leovold to banned as commander.

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#EndCurveShaming
#LoveYourCurves

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>>53932429

Hourglass is still best

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:3

>>53932572
Maelstrom Wanderer?

>>53932662
Jor Kadeen?

>>53932688
Kalemne

>>53932688

Bullseye with Maelstrom

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R8

>>53932712
Yeah, a bit too little artifacts for that. Kalemne was my second guess though.

>>53932743
Mayael

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>>53932762
>No white cards
Try again

>>53932743
So that's Emrakul the Promised End at the far right. Maybe Radha?

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>>53932429

>>53932802

>That isn't white

Shit, then Atarka World Render. High CMC makes me guess dragons

>>53932828
>>53932968
Close, but no cigar. Hint; it's stompier than what you suggested

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>>53932429
r9

>>53933000
Xenagod?

>>53933000
it's xenagos

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>>53933036
>>53933041
Correct!

>>53933000
Stonebrow tramplin tribal.

Anyone wanna help me with my Breya list? I want to avoid fast combo for the sake of my playgroup and I'm looking to play midrange control. Recently added Winter Orb and Tangle Wire because I didn't have a good enough answer to UGx ramp decks.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-06-17-breya-edh/

>>53931829
>really want to build around locust god
>noone at my lgs plays EDH
>buy snapcasters and a playset polluted deltas instead

Fucking suffering.

>>53933087
Shouldn't Vintage and Legacy be switched? People actually play Legacy.

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>>53932429

>>53931829
>Fate
>not Fortune

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>>53933375
That is the one that I meant, I just had a momentary stupid.

>>53931479
invalid discord invite

>>53933561
>https://discord.gg/4F4Gz
>4F4Gz
>for fags

>>53933258
That's not the point.

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>>53933561

>>53933258
I feel like they already were switched. I'm pretty sure I've seen versions that were reversed.

>>53933561
Just put in the password you silly. It's right there in the OP.

>>53933582
I thought the point was satarizing the various formats through the eyes of Spikes drawn by an obvious "Spirit of EDH" lover (who, themselves, want to actively keep Spikes out of 'their format')

Have I been completely wrong this whole time? What IS the point then?

>>53933672
>not sleeving all of your cards identically
>not palming your Mana Crypt to the top of every deck

>>53933703
The point is it's a joke.

>>53933703
at the time, i considered vintage to be the apex of spikism. the fact that no one plays it didn't really matter to me, it just seemed like the format for the sweatiest and most committed MTG players

>>53931910
>Warp World
>Great Aurora
someone's salty

>>53931708
Give this man Sheldon's job. Right. Now.

>>53933734
>Not having a deck entirely made of mana crypts
>Not lighting cigars with black lotuses
>Not making capes out of moxen

>>53933830
I top all of my meals with shredded copies of The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. It really brings out the flavor.

>>53933797
anon please, they only extend games. I have a local player who has deck that uses warp world as a boardwipe over and over again.

>>53933885
That's a problem with the player, not the card.

>>53933872
Have you tried caviar served on copies of Mishra's Workshop?

>>53933672

>In my LGS everyone is either autist or cancer tier
>Try to adapt to have a chance
>Done with it for a while
>Go to another LGS
>Fucking stomp the floor with everyone.

It metastasied onto me

>>53933561
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

It will be in the next OP.

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>>53932429
Didn't have a chance to play it yet

>>53933672
>I just like to play for the experience
>w-winning isn't everything guys
>I actually like tapping and untapping my wide ass field
>not having decks at different power levels
I got a sedris that t3 kills 80% of the time if no one has a quick counterspell, with all of the big baller manarocks. I also have a Dragonlord Silumgar deck that only wins via the easily stoppable Drake Blink Infinite Mana, stealing all your shit or resolving a beefy ass Living Death (with shit ass mana rocks). If you don't have a deck for Tippity Top Tier, 75% and Battlecruiser Metas, you're doing EDH wrong.

>>53933910
No, I haven't found a good supplier. My favorite indulgence, of course, is a massage with a paste of original dual lands.

>>53933932
>Moop the floor for like 2 months at new LGS no matter what current deck I'd bring out
>'i guess i'll build something janky and/or on theme'
>do it
>anon you're still the archenemy, the fact that you play do nothing cards now doesn't matter, you'll probably still win through bullshit if we don't maul your boardstate and lp repeatedly

story of my life for last 6 months

>>53934080
Hm, Grixis colors. 9 mana red is Blasphemous Act, doesn't tell us much, 8 mana black could be an Avatar of Woe, could be Army of the Damned, maybe even Myojin of Night's Reach? I'm thinking either Nicol Bolas or Sedris.

Take a guess

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>>53934197
Forgot pic

>>53934247
Hanna?

>>53934247
Blue White and a Blightsteel? That's Hanna.

Ban geaes cradle
ban capsize
ban sol ring from green and blue decks only

>>53934268
>>53934288
Correct on both counts. Doesn't help that I posted my decklist and asked for advice not too long ago.

>>53933672
>proxying thran dynamo and other 7$ cards that go into several decks to save money
sorry I don't have money to piss into the wind on this wacky format for a children's card game

>>53934318
Skip a meal poorfag, I don't have time to sit around while your broke ass swaps cards.

>>53934318
you dont need 7 dollar rocks in edh

my group saves so much money collectively by not getting into that manabase arms race

>>53934318
The point is that you don't need those rocks because the format isn't and shouldn't be taken seriously, you fucking goon.

Any spicy cards I should pick up for Rafiq of the Many before game day?

>>53933258
>legacy is dead
>so dead the author neglected to include it in the original

>>53934420
cathedral of war

>>53934420
Steel of the Godhead and Retether.

>>53934085
This shit here, I have 4 decks all of differing power and all are fun as hell to play. I only have 5 duplicate cards ignoring lands so it also makes it so each deck is unique and fun while also having a measured powerlevel.

>>53934399
>playing thran dynamo and caged sun means I take this format seriously

what did he mean by this?

>>53934491
So if you don't take it seriously then why do you care to have a Dynamo in every deck?

>>53934491
>Caged Sun
We're talking about good rocks, anon.

>>53934491
>playing ramp and EDH staples that add consistency to your deck is demonstrative of not taking it seriously

He meant you are being a tryhard, but a lazy tryhard.

>>53934519
because I play mono colored decks that aren't green?

>>53934539
>I can't enjoy this format without ramping

Is this like a logical disconnect for you?

>>53934555
Should I just run no mana rocks then? Would that satisfy you?

>>53934555

>Ramping at 4 mana for 3 colorless is considered tryhard

>>53934612
It's your deck. Do whatever you want. Just I don't understand what there isn't to get. If you need to ramp and add consistency to your deck, much less the kind of ramp that thran dynamo affords, then it's not correct to say you're treating this format like the goofy shit it's meant to be.

>>53934318
You could apply this argument to every single hobby in existence

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10000 hour in Mspaint.

Best idea ever, now to find a bloke who can make it..

>>53934690
>muh spirit of the format
Then why aren't you bitching when people run commanders that AREN'T the original Elder Dragons? That's the actual spirit of the format, and why it was called ELDER DRAGON HIGHLANDER. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

>>53934318

I bet you live on your parent's basement or some shit.

If you have a decent job and you're not playing vintage then MtG is not more expensive than most hobbies. Sure, proxy Gaea's Cradle or Flusterstorm or some 100$ card since no one cares, but proxying 5$ cards is fucking stupid

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>>53934783
At least the options for true Elder Dragon Highlander have opened up a bit.

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>>53932429

>>53934190
Not quite! It's Marchesa with rogues and combat damage trigger stuff, the 8 cmc spell is Decree of Pain.

>>53934856
Leaning towards Never Forgetti

>>53934856
Slobad?

>>53934899
He is in the deck but not at the head of it!He probably should be the commander but that's a different story
>>53934940
Same story

>>53934977
Kurkesh?

>>53934977
Feldon?

>>53934977
Okay...Next guesses, in order, Bosh, Feldon, Kurkesh.

>>53934977
Bosh?

>>53934977
CHRIS BOSH

>>53934977
PnK?
Just P?

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>>53935023
>>53935025
Both in the deck but not the head!
>>53935038
It's Bosh!

All of the legendaries mentioned would probably be better figureheads but I like to chuck rocks at people and pretend I'm the Iron Giant

>>53935090
Kickass alter there.

>>53935090
Bosh is underrated. He puts in work whenever he comes out.

>>53935090
That's a great alter, would love to play against you

>>53935055
WHO DIS HOW YOU KNOW ME

>>53935097
>>53935115
It was a gift from a friend and now I can never take the deck apart which is a-ok with me

>>53934783
Don't hurt your back moving them goalposts down that slippery slope.

>>53935090
I can only assume one of those 11s is Mycosynth Golem.

>>53935162
Spot on

>>53935158
He's right though. Thran Dynamo does not a tryhard make, anon. A little more consistency in mana or having some ramp does not mean you aren't playing goofy shit.

>>53935055
I got confused cause my name happens to be Chris ... totally forgot about the basketball player ...

>>53931479
Unban Primeval Titan
Unban Sundering Titan
Unban Worldfire

>>53933672
>getting upset because someone uses functionally IDENTICAL copies of cards
If it's just EDH and it's a casual game, as the image says, then it doesn't matter whether the cards are real, collector's edition, proxied, or counterfeit. They're all functionally exactly the same and the autists are the ones that take a moral stand on proxies.

>>53935228
It's a spectrum, not binary, but cramming it into every deck is indicative of checklist deck-building which harkens back to the autist in that comic.

>>53933258
In the Northeast it is actually much much easier to find Vintage tournaments than Legacy. I can't speak for other areas but I have not been able to find a single Legacy tournament within an hour of where I live but there are 3 stores in that range that have Vintage monthly or bimonthly.

>>53931479
>You have been selected by Sheldon to make THREE(3) changes to the banlist. Each change meaning you can ban or unban something. 1 card per change. What do you change?
Unban Prophet of Kruphix
Unban Braids
Ban Food Chain
Secret Fourth Option: Ban Lab Man

>>53935309
I jam thran dynamo into every deck I own and I only own one deck.

>>53935282
Price is kind of the floodgate for degenerative shit in this format which is why you generally see a higher percentage of cutthroat decks on xmage and cockatrice (and MTGO to a lesser extent) because free lets you use whatever. Proxying isn't the issue but rather proxying $40 cards is.

Considering building red artifacts but not sure what to favor, I have a myr turbine, paradox engine, and planar portal to start out with. The main focus will be darksteel forge, mycosynth lattice, unwinding clock, and a blightsteel colossus.

Trying to figure out what the best combination of artifact goodstuff w/ red support would be but I'm starting to think that excepting a few cards the myr aren't strong enough to justify almost running them as a tribe and that colossi (which I'm starting to look at as my primary creature base with blightsteel, darksteel, akros, etc.) will have a tendency to turn into bad draws due to their mana cost. Any suggestions?

>>53935270
>Unban Sundering Titan
... Can I change my answer? I keep forgetting that guy is banned for some bizarre and insane reason when Avalanche riders (and a million other options) still run free.

I don't see how banning labman is supposed to help.

>>53935355
Run Feldon as your commander with looting effects. If you have too many colossi you can pitch them for draws and bring them back with Feldon.

>>53934555

>t. Never been the only player at the table not ramping

It's not fun at all, literally ruins the format

edh is ramp: the format

Really dislike this meme that you either don't care in the slightest about winning or you're a tryhard

>>53935351
No, people not being friendly and having fun with their decks is an issue. Money doesn't have to be an issue and it doesn't have to limit the cards that friends can play together.

>>53935386
>Really dislike this meme that you either don't care in the slightest about winning or you're a tryhard

Don't know how to break it to you anon but it says right on the philosophy page that the focus should be on the experience, not winning. By definition if winning is your goal then you're not following the philsoophy.

If you're not running ramp or mana denial then you will just get left behind in half of the EDH games I've played. Ramp should go in every deck and is part and parcel of 40 life combined with multiplayer.

>>53935375
CEDH combo decks have 3 win cons.
#1 - Lab Man and drawing your deck out.
#2 - Infinite Food Chain and a damage trigger.
#3 - Storm.

Banning Lab Man and Food Chain limits the potential of fast combo. It's not going to stop people, but what it will do is make the uncreative netdeckers who bring competitive decks to casual tables to stomp take a break while people who have their insular CEDH playgroups solve the format again for them.

Unban freaking Sylvan Primordial. It's probably the most inofensive card in the banlist.

>>53935443

>the focus

The focus is different from your desires as a whole. You're not supposed to put winning over "the experience", okay that's cool, but it says nothing about people being intended to have no desire whatsoever to win. It's still a fucking game, it only makes sense if people are trying to win

>>53935423
People can play whatever makes them happy just the correlation of the higher the average price of a card in a deck the more likely it is to be degenerate and operating under the assumption that a playgroup is filled with people of similar (financial) commitment to MTG then that person proxying super expensive shit is getting an advantage over others.

Counting on people like the shitlords in this thread to be mature and socialize is asking too much, anon.

>>53935475
But what about Sheldon's feefees?

>>53935527
Fuck that fat UG fetishist

Ban sol ring
Ban mana crypt
Unban sylvan prime

>>53935553
>banned Prophet
>UG fetishist

>>53935474
Ah, so it would be to placate the crybabies.

>>53935478
I never said people don't play to win or you should play to lose. The best experiences come from equal power level decks but some of the most "EDH" experiences come from someone making the less optimal play and doing something goofy.

>>53935564
/thread
/general
/format

>>53935474
And the number of metas that are plagued with this issue are insignificant compared to the number of metas that find Cyclonic Rift or Paradox Engine to be an issue.

Plus it also validates the cEDH troglodytes. Let them fester.

>>53935510
I've had great success with a group that had most people making 100% proxy decks and we didn't have people coming in with unstoppable decks. We never had someone insist on playing completely broken decks and if someone did we'd have told them to stop. When I made a deck that was obviously too competitive I played it a few times then stopped because it wasn't fun without other people being on the same field. Proxies mean that we all used dual lands and had great manabases though and used cards like Gaea's Cradle that have very high costs but aren't necessarily that bad. You can use Cradle outside of an elf combo deck, for example.

>>53935644
Competitive EDH is cancer and should be ignored. I'm very on board with banning Cyclonic Rift and Paradox Engine and Labratory Maniac though.

Labratory Maniac is never a fun way to win or lose a game.

>>53935667
I never said that doesn't happen. Just it's not the norm which is why the comic painted pricey proxies in a negative light.

>>53935601

You tried to shame somebody for putting thran Dynamo in most of their decks, how is that not telling them they should be playing to lose?

>the best experiences come from equal power level decks

Agreed, so why wouldn't you trust somebody who is putting some ramp in their deck to know whether it's appropriate for their playgroup?

If somebody was saying they have to buy ABUR duals for every deck, then you would maybe have a point

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>>53935362
I imagine he has the ban because consistent blink tech leads to oppressive land hate. Imagine how wild it would be in Brago! I don't care about any of that shit though, Sundering Titan is my favorite mecha in all of MTG and was built to wreak havoc in a format of fatties like Commander. I'd probably toss him in Xenagod for no good reason.

>>53936027

Blinking is good but it's even easier to abuse him with all the sacrifice and recursion tech in artifact decks, like a daretti deck can cheat him into play and then sacrifice him for a quick an easy game over all in one turn

Essential EDH planeswalkers?

I have all the Sorin's, an Ugin, and Domri.

What other ones are good to have for deck building/brewing?

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>He doesn't shuffle his deck after Brainstorm irl

>>53936245
Vraska the Unseen, Xenagos, the Reveler, and Tezzeret the Seeker.

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I know I'm late to the party, but postin' my mana curve.

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>>53934782
thats some pretty gud paint there. i did an alt of one of my fav commanders, but i did it in a custom card maker for comical reasons. spoilered to hide my shame.

>>53936304
That better not be fucking Hulk Karador, swer on me mum.

>>53936027
The thing is, Titan isn't even that oppressive compared to other ETB land destroyers since there are a good number of lands he can't hit and a decent chance of backlash, unlike, say, Invader Parasite which can be chain-recurred or flickered about as well after coming out for way less mana.

You do make a decent point that as a colorless identity artifact there are some further options that open up, but in a format where Armageddon, Ruination, Smokestack, and all there friends are (in my opinion, rightly) still alive, it still seems weird that Sundering Titan of all things got the hammer.

>>53936342
Nope, but you got the degenerate part right.

>>53936387
Ghave.

unban everything, ban all colorless mana acceleration below two mana. ban all tutor effects.

>>53936405
Yup, you got it. It used to be that glass cannon Ghave deck that was floating around, but I swapped some of the weaker things for boardwipes and removal, so now it's a little more consistent.

>>53936371

Invader parasite isn't even fucking close to sundering Titan, sundering Titan is etb AND ltb, and each time he destroys 5 lands, so he destroys 10 times as many lands for the same amount of investment, being an artifact he's also way easier to cast, recur, sacrifice, tutor, and cheat into play

None of those other cards you listed really compare either except Armageddon, which is an underrated and underused card, one of the best in the format

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Here's an easy one for you.

Extra credit for naming that 8-drop.

>>53932429
What program is being used to make these graphs?

>>53936646
The Tapped Out website is one of the best places to list your decks and it auto-generates all sorts of interesting information.

http://tappedout.net/

Is Gauntlet of Might a bad choice in a mono-red artifacts deck?

What about in conjunction with Blood Moon?

>>53936646
It's Tapped Out. Decklists have a wheel showing distribution of colors, card types, and mana costs.

>>53936626
>that 8-drop
Obliterate?

>>53936693
>http://tappedout.net/
Thanks!

>>53936626
Krenko?
Grenzo?

>>53936626
I want to say Zada, but I can't think of the 8 drop. Maybe Bearer of the Heavens?

>>53936720
That or Insurrection
>>53936626
I'm guessing Krenko?

>>53936626
zada if it isnt krenko. 8 drop is insurrection

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This is (probably) my best deck

>>53936742
>>53936723
>>53936720
Norin Scrambleverse.

>>53936722
Nope, but they're in there!

>>53936723
Zada it is! I figured all the 1 and 2 CMCs would be a tip off.

>>53936720
Ding.


I retooled this deck recently and it's been much more consistent. I still need to work in some wheels, but I'm in the middle of building Hapatra, so...eh. Later.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/do-the-goblin-wave/

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I'm working on a flavorful Doran deck, and I found a great website that breaks down all the good cards I should buy. But that's not what I want. I want the most treetacular cards out there. I want to run a random fucking forest on Lorwyn and remind my opponent of it at all times. What are some less obvious cards I would want? By "less obvious" I mean what simply selecting Lorwyn on scryfall won't bring up.

>>53936755
Feldon.

>>53936245
>God tier
Karn Liberated
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

>Top tier
Elspeth, Knight Errant
Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Sorin Markov
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
Teferi, Temporal Archmage
Vraska the Unseen

>Good tier
Chandra, Flamecaller
Dack Fayden
Garruk Wildspeaker
Garruk, Apex Predator
Garruk, Primal Hunter
Gideon Jura
Jace Beleren
Jace, Architect of Thought
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
Kytheon, Hero of Akroas
Liliana Vess
Liliana, Death's Majesty
Liliana, Heretical Healer
Liliana, the Last Hope
Nahiri, the Harbinger
Nissa, Vastwood Seer
Nissa, Vital Force
Ob Nixilis Reignited
Sarkhan Vol
Sorin, Solemn Visitor
Tamiyo, Field Researcher
Venser, the Sojourner
Xenagos, the Reveler

>Archetype specific, but Good tier
Ajani Steadfast
Chandra, Pyromaster
Chandra, the Firebrand
Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
Daretti, Scrap Savant
Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Koth of the Hammer
Liliana of the Dark Realms
Nahiri, the Lithomancer
Narset Transcendent
Nissa, Worldwaker
Saheeli Rai
Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
Tezzeret the Seeker
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Tezzeret, Master of Metal

>Okay tier
Ajani Unyielding
Ajani Vengeant
Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes
Arlinn Kord
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Domri Rade
Dovin Baan
Elspeth Tirel
Garruk Relentless
Gideon of the Trials
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
Gideon, Martial Paragon
Jace, Memory Adept
Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
Jace, the Living Guildpact
Kaya, Ghost Assassin
Kiora, Master of the Depths
Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Liliana of the Veil
Nissa, Steward of Elements
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Ral Zarek
Sarkhan Unbroken
Sarkhan the Mad
Sorin, Grim Nemesis
Tezzeret, the Schemer

>>53936808
Found the Modern Tron player

>>53936808
Holy shit

Very thorough, saved man

>>53936799

Cloudcrown oak is pretty awesome in terms of art

>strong urge to build
>no idea what to build

I feel like I should indulge my inner Timmy and build something all about fatties. It would make my group happy too, they're getting sick of my combos.

>>53936802
Nah, close though

>>53936899
Go Riku fatties and ramp, avoid combos in it.

>>53936808
Why is Varaska so high? That's the only one I'm confused by. I think wildspeaker is top tier, but I'm a little biased.

>>53936915
>build Riku
>avoid combos
That's like giving a heroin addict a brick of smack and telling them to go smoke a cigarette

>>53936899
>I feel like I should indulge my inner Timmy and build something all about fatties. It would make my group happy too, they're getting sick of my combos.

Mono-green Ramp and Tramp. I run Molimo. Omnath is a great choice too.

>>53936841
I tried to be mostly objective. There's no denying Karn, Ugin, and Bolas have a tendency to dominate the battlefield when they're played though.

>>53936245
torch of defiance is amazing, shes raw card advantage, whether its from her card draw or mana generation
ugin is a discount aids with upside
dack fayden is a high quality combo stomper, he'll snag those pesky t1 sol rings or paradox engines to tip favor back to you
gideon of the trials, good luck im behind 7 gideons
jace vryns prodigy fixes your early game and gives you flashback while also being a single use blue fog
ajani steadfast is amazing if you're in white. Vigi lifesteal and first strike make a great distraction to allow you to exacute your real plan and if you ult you probably just win
Tamiyo of both varieties are great walls and card engines
garruk wildspeaker and nissa world waker are each good for their own respective deck types, honestly untap 4 lands isnt a joke when you do it 5 times
teferi is good for the same reason, except you can also just slight of hand until you win

>>53936941
This is true. I run Ugin and Karn in here >>53936755 and they really kick ass, mono-red enchantment removal via Karn is so clutch

>>53936245
Ugin and Nissa, Vital Force are the absolute best. Ugin is an amazing board wipe and Nissa only requires protection for a single turn in order to use her extremely good ultimate.

>>53936702
It is an auto-include if you can afford or proxy it.

>>53936923
She's guaranteed the ability to be impactful the turn she's played, and can become a repeated source of removal if left unchecked.

I am second guessing my placement of Architect of Thought, personally.

>>53936899
T H R O M O K
H
R
O
M
O
K

You get to scratch your combo itch while still casting A HUGE FAT ENORMOUS HELLION to bring the OMEGA SLAP

>>53936936

I just can't get this to work. I have tons of ramp spells and nothing else to do.

>>53936923
Shes a not that abrupt decay, which means she solves almost eevry problem.

>>53936923
Imagine this:
>3BG
>Sorcery
>Destroy target nonland permanent.
>Rebound

That's pretty close to what Vraska is, most of the time. Other times, she's basically Vindicate with a Fog. Either option is respectable.

>>53937175
Really? Mine's probably my most consistent deck. Once, I cast Molimo fourteen times in one game because they kept killing him and he kept coming back bigger.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mo-knows-overkill/

>>53937178
5-3=2

She isn't that good

>>53936808

Ehhhh

>tier 1
Ugin

>tier 2
Garruk wildspeaker
Teferi temporal archmage
Karn
Nicol bolas
tezzeret the seeker
Jace the mindsculptor

>tier 3
The rest of the decent ones

>tier 4
Bad ones like most Chandras, Jace living guildpact, Tezz the schemer

>>53937270
I didn't say that's literally how it works, just that most of the time she takes two permanents with her.

I feel like I'm missing something with Fact or Fiction. I don't get why it's considered so good, maybe I just suck at mind games.

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>>53936899
Might be too degenerate for what you're looking for, but dropping a Phyrexian Dreadnought on turn 3 and floating 12 mana is always fun.

Mayael would also be a good choice.

>>53937270
Her no mercy ability removes the creature that attacked her making her at least a 2 for 1 in 80% of games

>>53936808
Which leaves us with

>Eh Tier
Ajani Goldmane
Ajani, Valiant Protector
Gideon, Champion of Justice
Liliana, Death Wielder
Nissa Revane
Nissa, Nature's Artisan

>Eh Tier: Chandra Edition
Chandra Ablaze
Chandra Nalaar
Chandra, Pyrogenius
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh

>Tibalt Tier
Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded

>>53937270
You go No Mercy first and then Decay you doofus. Vraska's pretty good, also if you drop her at the right time you can up her until I steal her with Word of Seizing and ult her

>>53937327
>>53937301

I disagree, usually she dies after immediately using her -, probably 75% of the time

If she lives longer it's because you're chump blocking, which affects your "2 for 1 80% of the time" math

She's okay

>>53937378
No Mercy is not "destroy target nonland permanent"

>>53937313
You always get the best card and sometimes get to draw more than one card. You also filter those cards through your opponents brains so if they cant deal with something you'll get a strong hint that its a good threat. Compare that to impulse which doesnt give you any information and only gets the one card or even anticipate you'll appreciate what fof is doing a little more.

>>53937493
it's also instant speed and puts anything you don't choose into the graveyard so depending on your deck it's pretty much drawing 4 cards

>>53937378

If you no mercy first she dies to oring, direct damage from random stuff, etc, plus you can't really afford the awful tempo of paying 5 mana for a fog in edh

Have you ever played with her? She's 5 mana nerfed maelstrom pulse, but with the upside of being on the minds of your opponents, thinking they have to deal with her when she's not really a threat

>>53937403
>every time i play a planeswalker it dies so you're wrong
good luck with that

>>53935565
Prophet needs to stay banned forever.

The fact that the first thing my Modern playing friend thought of the second he heard I wasn't building EDH decks was to abuses the fuck out of Prophet speaks VOLUMES on how stupid that card is for this format.

>>53937313

It's solid as a general card draw spell, being instant speed, not too expensive, and giving you solid card selection

I don't value it all that highly just as a card draw spell though, where it shines is in gy decks, essentially an instant speed 4 mana draw 5 with upside, you get to bin cards you want in the yard

When I cast it in my Sedris deck, there's basically no way to split the piles such that I lose out on anything I wanted

Even if you try to put the reanimation spells and the fatties in the same pile, I'll probably get to discard to hand size at that point

>>53937403
Treating any Walker as a single use Sorcery will make them seem very weak, except maybe Sorin, the Permanent Anthem.

>>53937564

I said 75% of the time, because she goes down to 2 loyalty, really hard to keep her alive after that

Talking multiplayer btw, in 1v1 it's different, you can destroy their best attacker and have a good chance of keeping her alive

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who is it?

>>53937626
Each walker needs to be treated at its worst and also at its best at all times. Sometimes you pay 4 mana to net a card, other times you pay 4 mana for your wincon.

>>53937668
Krenko.

>>53937313
I want to add to the arguments provided that Fact or Fiction was really a step up at the time in terms of draw spells. After invasion odyssey came which had a major graveyard focus which made the downside of the card better. Flashback and Threshold in general and cards like Psychatog turned it into a semi-draw-5 spell for only 4 mana. Draw-go actually existed back then. It was pretty much the go-to draw spell in all non eternal formats (Standard and Extended, which was also a thing back then) for the duration of it's legality.

With regards to the mind games, this is a thing too. Sometimes it backfires though. A pro player once passed on getting to draw 5 lands because he was afraid the opponent had a blood oath in his hand.

Is discard a viable archetype in commander?
Not full stax, although there may be a group sacrifice sub theme.

I'm trying to decide between doing Sedris or Kaervek with a discard theme. Otherwise I'll settle for a Lord of Riots aggro deck

what are some must-have walkers for a superfriends deck?

>>53937776
I don't see a lot of treating Vraska as her best going on.

>>53937992
Not unless you're playing 1v1. It's the same reason control isn't viable. You can counter 1 spell or force someone to discard 7 cards, but it's a lot harder to counter 3 spells and force 21 discards.

Leovold made it possible, because every wheel turned into a full hand discard. If you want to do it you want to be in Esper, for Notion Thief and Spirit of the Labyrinth. Sen Triplets are good to let you shred their hands and profit yourself at the same time. Sharuum lets you get your stuff back.

>>53937668
krenko

>>53937992

Ehh kinda

There's a lot of good options for making everybody discard, like sire of insanity and oppression, but unfortunately it's tricky to actually capitalize on those effects, if somebody destroys your geths grimoire or your waste not at the crucial moment, your discard effects will cripple you just as hard as they cripple anybody else

I had a red black deck that tried to win through waste not or lili's caress and wheel effects and other mass discard but the deck was very inconsistent

>>53938045

People are negative because you started things off putting her on the same tier as jtms and teferi Walker

She's decent, definitely at her best in edh and cube

>>53938179
Well with Kaervek I see this as problematic.
But what about Sedris? Even if discard profiteers like Waste Not get destroyed, I still have (probably) the only card on board that turns my discards into fuel.

I feel like it'd be easy enough to get people to discard their hands with creatures like sibsig icebreakers and enchantments like oppression, and I do see that discard as a singular mechanic wont win games, but I feel like Sedris MIGHT be able to skirt it into wins because I'd be discarding fuel and (hopefully) no one else would be.

Do you still think it sounds futile or is there something that can make this doable?

Honestly I wish they made Nath a different color (it wouldn't be nath though, obviously). Green just can't support his token generation like the wheels of red and blue can. Think Locust God but discard instead of draw.

Maybe that would be too broken.

>>53938346

I think your idea for Sedris could work, only problem is that Sedris actually suffers from the exact same problem, he's expensive and if he's dies, your hand is empty and you got not much

Still could work, but I'm just saying, it's a weakness your playgroup might learn to prey on

>>53938298
Jace isn't quite as good in EDH as he is outside it, where you can more reliably abuse his Brainstorm and where his repeated Unsummons can be crippling for Tempo. He has just as bad a habit as Vraska when it comes to dying the turn after he's played and you'll only get what is basically one of three one-mana effects for your trouble. I don't think the gap is so wide as it may initially seem.

More C17 spoilers when

>>53938650
january 2018

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Post good cards with good flavor.

>>53938791
you start

>>53938791
fucking stop shilling your new mirrodin bullshit

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>>53938791
Can I post bad cards with insanely good flavor and cardfu

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>>53938791

How did we go from this...

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>>53938857
>Has 3 toughness
>Clutching her side
>On Ravnica

Bet I can guess what happened here.

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>>53938906

...to this

>>53938906
>>53938929
Because group hug is terrible, while the 2014 mono-red precon is probably among the best prebuilts Wizards ever put together for this format

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>>53938833
You can't make me, Phyrexian scum.
>>53938819
>he thinks giving all your creatures hexproof isn't good
>he doesn't like the story of the Last Troll, who stayed silent
>he's retarded

>>53933672
>no option for the guy who does the last one but only for $10+ cards and fills out a deck before he sits down at the table

If you're gonna be a fucking strawman at least cover all the bases

>>53939108
Not only that, but Ludevic was a goddamn madman in lore, worthy of being a 3 or 4 color beast of a card, and they made him a shitty uncommon tier bulk rare for a grouphug deck

They get flavour homeruns like Feldon and then they take a random lore name, then take a massive dump on a card and print them together, there's no other explaination for Ludevic's existance

>>53936799
My Doran deck is all defenders and is all about building a wall of Walls and turtling my way to victory using Helix pinnacle. Test of Endurance, Celestial Convergence, or an infinite loop of Sanguine Bond and Exquisite blood.... Or nuke us all with a hurricane....

>>53939164
The only good flavor text that deals with Thrun is on his own card. Not some dumb bullshit he wrote about his rootborn defenses.
>His crime was silence, and now he suffers it eternally.

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>>53939108
>the 2014 mono-red precon is probably among the best prebuilts Wizards ever put together for this format

I like the cut of your jib, friend

>>53939226
Ludevic was basically WotC underestimating how popular he was multiple times in quick succession.

>>53939194
Jesus fuck I hate the people who proxy an entire fucking deck. Every single time they print it in black and white too so I need to look at their field every fucking turn to see what any of their shit does since I can't identify it.

>>53939226
Ludevic is such a nutter that Geralf, who decided to lay siege to Thraben, the home of the Church of Avacyn, and then left that to his sister in order to sneak in and kill Mikaeus the Lunarch, while getting seduced by Liliana, looked up to him.
>everyone draws cards if you don't get hit

>>53939318
you're making me sad

>>53939307
there's a guy who regularly comes to my LGS who has a trade binder that is 90% foil proxies of expensive cards

i wonder if anyone has fallen for it yet

>>53939258
He's on two cards. Is it possible you don't know what ignominy means?

>>53939307
I got one of those nice Dex Protection binders that I just keep all the staples in, organized by color. I keep fearing that I'll one day just make a deck with 30 cards out of it because they're just so good, and I keep talking myself into not ordering dupes with the savings standpoint. I mean, is it so wrong to not want to spend another $60 on Tops?

>>53938906
>>53938929
>>53939108
>>53939226
Because one was designed bottom up as a Partner mechanic that had a name stapled to it and the other was designed Top Down as to represent a specific character out of MtG lore.

At least we never got something that said Ludevic died, so maybe he can come back again. I honestly would have given him something almost like Mimeoplasm, but exiling one live creature you own on the battlefield and one dead creature at random from target graveyard to combine.

>>53939390
No no no, he should die. And then have it set up that he brought himself back with Necro-Alchemy, with his brain intact, so he could see what it was like from the other side.

>>53938791
>thicker than iron

Iron doesn't have a standardized measure of thickness, Thrun. Read a goddamn book.

>>53939374
>is it so wrong to not want to spend another $60 on Tops?

Yes. Top is cancer. You deserve to have to suffer to play it.

>>53939479
You can thank my local meta for being Spike as fuck. Everyone has Top and Crypt in every deck. I just have the one I cracked in an EMA draft and I have to mulligan specifically for it to hold up.

>>53939374
You shouldnt just cram tops into decks because it can fit in them.

>>53939525
...isn't top only $10?

>>53939525
I think I'll just blame Sheldon.

>>53931479
Anyone calling to ban anything is fucking retarded.

1. Unban Coalition Victory
2. Unban Sylvan Primordial
3. Unban Panoptic Mirror
4. Hope for more unbans

>>53939548
9 decks+played in 7=$60 extra if I want one in each deck that runs it. Same thing with Greaves being in 6 decks, although not quite as much money. It's just to save money, really. I imposed a limit that I need to play a card in at least three decks for it to go in the binder, and that I can't have more than 15 cards out of the binder in a deck, so I've not gone too far off the deep end yet

>>53939226
Yeah, he really should have been the main commander of non-W. Heck, he could probably just steal Yidris' text and more people would accept that as Ludevic.

>>53939414
I would also accept Super Brain In A Jar.

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>>53938929

>The guy that kidnapped a werewolf and made him into a fucking space marine got reduced to this

Feels bad man

>>53939568
Undercosted fast mana deserves to be banned.

>1. Unban Coalition Victory
>3. Unban Panoptic Mirror

I too like to immediately win the game with zero effort. It is especially fun if I win the same way every game I play.

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>new to commander
>bought the anthology because I figured it'd be a good place to start since I have nothing
>Definitely want to build Kaalia the most but not sure if I want to spend ~250 upgrading it to be good.

>>53939568
>put down your ABUR duals and shocks
>cast Coalition Victory
>cast Transguild Courier or your 5c commander
>win

>>53939680

Out of those decks, the ones with the highest potential are Meren and Derevi. As soon as you whip out Kaalia as your commander you have doomed yourself to be the Archenemy

I'd build Meren since Black and Green are great fucking colors to start a collection in the format. Derevi good but it's fun for you and unfun for everyone else

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>>53932429

Who am I?

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>>53939663
>an 8-mana sorcery immediately wins the game
>something that doesn't trigger until your upkeep immediately wins the game

>>53939736

Tasigur

>>53939705
Yeah, that's how it works. That's not an argument against it, though. This format has dozens of ridiculously powerful cards that are legal. An expensive sorcery with weird requirements is not going to break the format. It's just an example of the shitty criteria the RC uses to ban.

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>>53932429
You'll never figure it out

>>53939736
>8 mana blue
That's Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time.
>Sultai colors
Tasigur.

>>53939783
>Azorius Artifacts
Choice A) Hanna
Choice B) Shit

>>53939817
neither

>>53939739
>an 8-mana sorcery immediately wins the game

That's literally what's written on the card, anon.

>>53939751
>>53939798

Well that seemed easy.
The 8 mana blue is DTT.

>>53939663
>Panoptic Mirror

Compare the card to Kiki jiki. They both cost 5 mana and go infinite with a dozen cards while providing great value with the stuff they dont go infinite with.

The only differences are that Kiki wins on the spot and isn't banned

The Scarab God
3UB

At the beginning of your upkeep, each opponent loses x life and you scry x, where x is the number of zombies you control.

2UB: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of iit. It's also a 4/4 black Zombie.

When the Scarab God dies, return it to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.

>>53939659
Love the flavor of that card, shame about the design. Thankfully it has a small niche in Selvala.

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>>53940067
>it's another UB Zombie Commander
>At most it steals a creature from a graveyard when it comes down
>But it makes huge reanimator targets smaller, and small reanimator targets decent
>People are going to hype this until the end of time because Zombie Tribal players are idiots.

>>53940119
I like it because it encourages horde tactics reanimator. It's not about getting super strong zombies, it's about bringing back a billion little zombies. Run it with Gisa in the 99, sac something big right before your turn, watch your opponents melt.

>>53940119
We have next to no good Zombie commanders. Thrax is whatever and fucking expensive, Sedris requires a lot of mana to consistently use and G&G are... okay, I guess? Giving zombies something interesting that also encourages counterplay involving opponents' graves is great.

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>>53940067

>>53940212
>exiling eldrazi with their shuffle trigger on the stack
>reducing it to an effigy of the power my rival lost
Ill take 2

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>>53940212
How dare you

>>53940214

That seems like a super fucking spicy commander.

Card Advantage, draw control, no commander tax, recursion, decent goons.

>>53940214
>>53940067
>Just ordered and built a Gisa deck
>See this

I didn't make a mistake in my opinion

>>53940214
Oh my god. I just flat out love it. This is what I was trying to make Gisa & Geralf out to be.

Azami Wizards vs Uyo

Which should I build? I'm trying to avoid combos, have too many of those decks lying around

>>53940300
I just built monoblack Gisa, I'm gonna convert and I'm glad I have some pieces

>>53940324
Arcanis.

>>53940212
>sedris
>zombie tirbal
Excuse me?

>>53940355
>zombie warrior
>the old version of eternalize
makes sense to me

>>53940214
Shit, 3 people at my LGS all started building zombie tribal and bitched at each other for doing so the whole time.

I just might be #4.

Anybody got any tips for building big black mana with a blue splash? I'm not sure how many spots I want to devote to just zombie bullshit, I feel like devoting the deck to huge mana and effects like mesmeric orb will be much more fun.

>>53931479
Unban Biorhythm
Unban Gifts Ungiven
Unban Trade Secrets

Fight me.

>>53940492
>go to LGS with my friend
>take turns casting Trade Secrets
>draw our decks and win
>blow each other in the car
Love game night with the bros.

>>53940214
Yo this whole cycle is pure spice. Can't decide which one to pick desu.
1-3 Locust
4-6 Scarab
7-9 Scorpion
0 first reply decides

scorpion desu

>>53940543
So be it. I was thinking about building an Izzet deck anyway.

Locust God is for all those people playing their Talrand prowess young pyro mancer decks. He's your answer to viable. Or closer to it.

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>>53940781
>tfw built Taigam already

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I Will Protect It
I Want To See It Grow Up Healthy
I Want To Tell My Friends And Neighbors About It

why is black braids banned?

>>53941097
Go last. Everyone plays their land. Drop your rocks. Play Braids. Conglaturations, You Are A Stax Master.

Bitterblossom gets you around Braids's cost on yourself.

>>53940214
Seems pretty ok, second ability is pretty bonkers

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>>53931479

Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Sol Ring

Basically any artifact that meets the following requirements:
>CMC <= 2
>produces an amount of mana greater than its CMC

Am I just late to the party in thinking that Rakdos, Lord of Riots is hella good or is my LGS less competitive than most?

>>53941710
He's good but he's extremely hindered by being 2R2B
It's probably not too competitive either
What's your decklist? Eldrazi shenanigans?

>>53941747
I don't have a real decklist yet, I built it yesterday and have been testing things out against a friend of mine. Eldrazi would be optimal for obvious reasons, but I have found great success with simple things like Master of Cruelties, Rattleblaze Scarecrow, and the huge demons like Lord of the Void.
I don't really understand your comment about 2R2B, it's not like 4 colored mana is hard to get, and casting him effectively deletes your colorless mana costs for creatures.

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>>53932429

>>53940781
more realistically it's slightly worse Azami because it takes one more card to draw your deck

Ban things that i don't have

Where should I order cards from? I've tried a few different places in the past like cardkingdom, but I was wondering if people in these threads had a preference. I'm a Europoor if that matters.

>>53936799
The mummering bosk, all the treefolk you like the look of, then search gatherer with keywords like "vine", "thorn", ect. It is what I did.

>Dj Eru the Purified
>3WW
>Legendary Creature - Human Warrior Vigilance

>When Dj Eru the Purified enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a Planeswalker card, reveal it and put it into your hand. Shuffle your library.

>If a source would damage to a Planeswalker you control, prevent 1 of that damage.

>>53942660
Cool card. Very little potential as a general, but seems great in the 99.

>>53940214
Love it. Finally a zombies deck woth making imo.

>>53931872
>>53931905
>>53931933
I don't even understand why is any of the cards banned. It's not like Helm of Obedience is, or much more degenerate things either, such as Hermit Druid. Overall Painter's Servant could be unbanned, even without banning anything that goes well with it.

>>53940031
Also Kiki can go in the command zone.

>>53942923
I think the problem was that it was a 2 card combo ending a game on turn 3 available in all colors. They believed every deck would run it. (And if every deck runs painters servant, that means someone else might have played your combo piece for you, even if they don't have the other half.)

We won't know if that's how games would shift though. RC just decided "fuck all that, better not risk it"

Why do people get so mad about sliver players?

>>53943283
I have no idea what you are talking about.

>>53943316
>>53943316
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