/btg/ - Battletech General!

>>53914102
I must have that tablehockey game!! Tanks for pucks?

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>>53914520

I used a Savannah Master for the puck, actually.

>>53914102
why did you pick such a crappy picture?

>>53914102
a lot of people don't use filters to navigate, they expect to see a picture of a mech on the catalogue

>>53914650

why did you post such a crappy comment?

>>53914638
Brilliant!
>>53914686
They should use ctrl-f

>>53914686
A lot of people are retarded.
>hurr I won't use the tools for my convenience and blame op for me being a moron
Fuck those people, robot hockey is sweet as fuck.

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>>53915645
>Not the Silver Centurion variant
Dropped.

why did you even make a new thread? the old thread is no where near its bump limit.

>>53916474

What other thread? This one? >>53908447

Because the threadstarter fucked up the OP, was a moron and started THAT thread 20 posts before our old one was at the bump limit, and frankly has been consistently a cunt for the last several weeks about starting threads early. This one is much better, and fuck you for asking.

What would a jihad/early DA retrotech mech intended for the merc market look like?

Seriously though... are there any rules written up for 'mech hockey available?

>>53917204

NEA made some. It works reasonably well, though it presumes some hockey knowledge ahead of time.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DwGUi6n6ln8J:https://i.yuki.la/tg/1424559916377.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

>>53917098

It should be relatively simple to maintain and use common weapon systems. Ideally it will be similar in function to an existing popular mech (e.g the primitive Phoenix is fairly similar to the PNT-9R Panther) because having an existing niche makes it an easier sell.

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>>53916663
Well, I don't like how slow it is, but I guess it works as a re-specked as a Blue Flame

>>53917540
I might ditch the C3 for an extra ton of armor and trim its legs for more torso armor.

Original forums down or did they finally ban me for calling the new developer a faggot?

>>53918001

Both.

-The Catalyst Observer

>>53918178
Second Succession Wars when?

>>53918318
Do you mean 5th Succession War, or a reboot?

>>53918343
I mean the Second Succession Wars pdf, whose release is on hold due to some technical issue in CGL's end

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>>53918343
He meant this book...

>>53917098
probably some kind of 3/5 fire support heavy, maybe energy-based

>>53918405
>>53918423
Oh sweet.

Too bad it's apparently stuck in the same limbo as Shadowrun's Technomancer book.

>>53918343
>Do you mean 5th Succession War, or a reboot?

As far as I know there was only 4 succession wars. then some smaller wars, then the clan invasion, then the jihad, then the dark ages.

>>53918546
I keep forgetting SR5 exists.

>>53918728
To be fair, so does CGL.

>>53914650
are you saying you don;t like the subject matter or you don't like the focus/resolution/lighting?

If you don't find the subject matter amusing I can't help you.

As far as the other stuff goes. sometimes you don;t know the quality of image you took until you get it home or to a computer where you can bring it up on a monitor or regular size instead of the tiny one on your phone or camera.

>>53918710
Then the Third League, then the 5th Succession War

>>53918746
are they making more books for SR4 still?

>>53918710
Officially speaking, you're right. But I used the Fifth Succession War for my no-Clans-allowed campaign. Houses Kurita and Marik-Liao versus Steiner-Davion at first, then ComStar got even more paranoid and conquered everything within one jump of Sol. Good times.

>>53918775
shit when did post dark age stuff come out?

>>53918746
That's depressing, Considering that the number of new SR products outnumber BT ones at least 5 to 1

>>53918835

tabletop wargame or tabletop rpg?

>>53918921
Free Taiw...St Ives was a hint of the 3rd League. Ben H Rome posted about what the 3250 era would be if he didn't left CGL. Finally, Ben and Herb hinted in one of their April's Fool the 5th Succession War

>>53917204
Touring the Stars: Noisel has it, along with 'mech chess, baseball, soccer, football/rugby, and basketball. The rules look relatively simplified compared to NEA's hockey linked here >>53917272, to the point that hockey, soccer, and basketball are functionally very similar.

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Tell me about your pilot's amazing feats /btg/

>>53918835
Who are the least "fuck everyone who isn't us forever" of the big inner sphere powers?

>>53918965
So relatively recent then

>>53918178
I hope CGL dies a prolonged, horrific death.

>>53915645
Fucking love it.

>>53919063
none yet. still figuring out how to play.

>>53919090
>least

Depends entirely on when. At the death of the Star League, it would probably be the Caps. In 3025 it was the Elsies. In 3050 it was the Pidgeons. In 3059 it was the Fedrats.

That's the thing about feudal groups. Policy is dictated by the current rulers.

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>>53918835
>conquered everything within one jump of Sol.
Why stop there when the juiciest manufacturing in the Sphere is within reach. Blake wills it.

>>53915889
I really like the hollowed-out leg sections and the feet on the -C4. Nothing else about it, including the hips, but it's the only Cat that tries to get away from "let's slap a new body and feet on MAD II legs".

>>53917098
The Hound, HawkWolf, and Rook all spring to mind - cheap, tough, and relatively slow but heavily-armed. All came out for the Merc market as well. Personally, as a merc commander I'd go for a Retro Thud or Hammerhands over an upstart. But if someone came out with something good enough in the 55t Jump Trooper slot it'd certainly pique my interest and maybe open the wallet. A RetroTech 55-Rifleman with LACs could also be fun as a cheap, flexible anti-scout and AA cover unit.

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Damn, it's late.

>>53919483
Yuo would have FedCom, Kurita, FWL and even the Cappies coming after the Comstar if they tried that. And it would probably be like Clan Invasion just Comstar as the place of Furries.

FedCom and the Draconis Combine doing the heavy fighting with Hanse and Theodore leading them , Cappies pouching a planet now and then and being generally annoying shits that they where at the time, and FWL selling weapons to anyone with deep enough pockets. So in a sense as you pointed out, Jihad in 3050s instead of the time it actually happpened.

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What do you guys think of dazzle camo as a paint job for a battlemech?

>>53919163
I've got to say though, when Catalyst started out, things were looking really good. We were seeing all sorts of product.
Things only started getting wobbly between porchgate, chinese leviathans print shops, and their trying to diversify with boardgames nobody cares about rather than strengthening the guaranteed sellers. Even then, things weren't a write off.

It was only when Herb left and the whole thing was under a very uninterested Randal's wing that shit really went downhill. All we've seen for about a year are these drown-you-in-too-much-fucking-information TTS pdfs. Tell me the pertinent stuff. Who's the head honcho? What kind of biomes does the planet have? What's the isometric map look like? A bit about the fauna? What is there of strategic value, why was it colonised, and why are they still there?

But the deep cultural history of the planet and their religious systems mean somewhere between jack and shit to me. All the required information for history and culture should fit on one page. The rest is Objective Raids.

>>53923282
Whatever you like to use.

...but keep in mind that dazzle paint schemes are meant to make ships hard to identify. Don't paint your mechs in dazzle if it makes it too difficult to tell your Enfield and your Lineholder apart.

>>53914686
A lot of people do not have patience for shitnuggets, they expect to see a picture of you run over by a truck.

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>>53919063
Haven't gotten any better experiences than this this far.

>>53922338
Well, technically it's this universe's version of the Jihad in 3067. Only instead of WoB nuking everyone, it's ComStar claiming a buffer zone between Sol and the massive shitstorm that's been happening in nearby systems for over a decade. This version of ComStar never underwent the WoB/C$ schism, and is ran by a leadership that has been getting steadily more paranoid ever since the Helm Core went public. The reason they didn't take planets farther than one jump from Sol is that they took their warships out of mothballs to back up their ground forces.

>>53923806
If they did this efficiently, like you describe, people would realize how little they are actually doing, and how unimportant these planets are. Most of these there are no objectives to raid.

>>53924548
... am I reading this right? You killed a Dire Wolf with a one-legged Owens by charging it through a building and off a cliff? How very Battletech.

>>53924962
I was commenting on >>53919483 and what would have happened in 3050's if Comstar tried to expand like that. As I understand Hanse Davion had been waiting for any excuse to fuck Comstar up after what they pulled before and during the 4th Succession War, in the lore that happened when Comstar tried to pull off Operation Scorpion and FedCom response was to assault any and all of the HPG stations.

>>53919063
How do you make the tiles "pop" like that?

>>53925117
Yuppers. The Wolf was angled against a multi-story building on a hex one lower than its current position. It got pushed into it, and promptly brought about its collapse through overweighing the hex.

The Owens was also one of the wretched E-models that carried an MRM-10, an mlas, and an mplas, and to make it even worse, carried the base 10 single heat sinks. That it would have to charge was a foregone conclusion.

>>53925535
Isometric view.

>>53919350
what ones have most consistently been "fuck everyone who isn't me"?

>>53919350
Who are the Elsies again?

>>53925996
Lyrans. Lyran Commonwealth -> LC -> Elsie.

>>53926171
Riiiiiiight. No wonder it didn't click.

>>53925871
Combine probably. They were always the biggest bad until the clans showed up. It was part of their charm. All honor. No apologies.

>>53918178

Oh you tease!

>>53926269

Hey, at least they are honest about it...

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>>53923282
I like it but as >>53923825 said you've got to be careful with it. It's nice for throwing some extra detailing on parts but if you apply it to the whole thing then you're just screwing yourself over. Same with other complex camo schemes, though thankfully mechs don't suffer from it as much as smaller figures.

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>>53926269
agreed, Combine have pretty much attacked every neighbor and (former) ally they could at throughout all eras.

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What clan does THIS camo pattern belong to?

>>53927018
Turkeys?

>>53927018
Possibly green burd or Kindraa Kline of the Fire Mandrills.

>>53927018
>Generic Clan emblem
I don't ever think I've seen that on a mech before. I think only the honor guards of various clans use that.

>>53914102
Do you like the Awesome?

>>53914686
Those people are known as "retards".

>>53926269
I thought so, but I thought that maybe I was wrong.

>>53919163
what doe you have against >>>/cgl/

>>53927457
All you need to realize is that even Teddy who was the most progressive of his kind when he was eight years old ran out to find his dad covered in blood and his first reaction was to smile and ask if his father had been killing Fedrats. It was the night his granddaddy was murdered by his Rasalhague bodyguard.

>>53927590
Also didn't he crack jokes about Kentares to make the 'goons feel uncomfortable.

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>>53923282
>bote camo
Now I want to do a unit in mountbatten pink that chiefly fights in desert areas and lowlight conditions.

I had some CNC/Clan Protectorate stuff I was trying to apply a camo scheme to that was reminiscent of ship camo, but it's not full on dazzle.

>>53927623
God, I miss him.

>>53927642
Teddy K, AOK.

I still hate that they had to pass him the idiot ball anytime that Venereal Space Disease had to look good by comparison.

>>53927636

Still looks real nice, anon.

Despite all it's glaring faults I miss Mechwarrior AoD. It deserved so much more.

>>53927666
The only times they passed him the idiot ball that I recall was the chain of events that resulted in the Battle of Luthien which was to make Hanse and the Goons look good, and the Draconis March running rampant in his backyard in the FCCW with almost no consequences. But that kind of made him look good since he wanted to punish Warlord Benjamin. Him and Vic bro-ed out all the time over Twilight of the Clans and made both of them look good. The dracs carried Bulldog.

The Black Dragons are the guys who have continually both been retarded and made everyone else in the Combine look like fools. Fucking Gems man. I will never not be butthurt about Onyx and LAW.

>>53928279
Well, you get the account in Heir to the Dragon where he and the combine fight off Hanse through determination and bluffing, while elsewhere Hanse just gets bored.

>>53928372
>while elsewhere Hanse just gets bored

That's 3039 retcons. I've always held that TRO 3039 and Historical War of 3039 are two of the worst things to happen to the franchise over the years. Just one giant fuckup after another in those books.

That's not even grogism talking. I like a lot of the more modern stuff. I'm even finishing reading Fortress Republic right now.

>>53928431
The worst part I find about the 3039 Tech retcon is that TRO:3050 already tweaked the tech reappearance a bit by noting that some variants were in the works as early as 3047, just the IS wasn't pressing it into service quickly due to the expense.

>>53928585
Exactly. It worked fine in the old days when you had stuff like Fort Burgoune testing prototypes in the mid 40's, but nobody really being able to invest in ramping up until forced to.

This even carried into mid and late 50's material where the smaller old manufacturers who had survived the Succession Wars were reduced to licensing designs from other people to try to up their technology game by the early 60's.

But fuck all that apparently.

I have a question about MekHQ. I am currently assigned to Garrison Duty and I believe there is possibility to get subcontracts during this assignmet. But I have no idea where to find those subcontrats.

Are those in Contarct Market? I didnt see any there even when I tried to generate more contracts with GM function.

Since it's coming up at the moment, is there any way to stop MekHQ glitching out and failing to displaying things correctly/at all? Am sure it's some innate Java-based bug but I've never been able to work out how to stop it. Even the usual slightly resize the window to get it to refresh doesn't really work.

>>53928986
Are there any complaints at the MegaMek site?

>>53928279
Black Dragons, Onyx, LAW... the part of the whole chain of events that leaves me the most embittered is that it was all a determined, direct act of crushing every bit of IS omnimech production DC had going on. And I am mad about it, as playing mounted cavalry was my favourite thing for DC.

>>53928843
As far as I can tell, MHQ doesn't discriminate, you just generate new contracts and shift your forces over to the required lances.

>>53928986
More information please. What is it not displaying properly?

>>53930581
It's when the window glitches out and refuses to display the new information, for example going from personnel to the hanger may just get the frames and no hangar data until you mouse over things. Often happens after trawling through a lot of stuff like mech lists or a large personnel list.

Pretty sure it's just Java being Java as I've seen it for years across a lot of different computers and games. But MekHQ does it to me a hell of a lot.

>>53928986

I usually reinstall random java distros from the last 6-12 months until it works. and it's never the same distro that works.

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>>53927258
>I don't ever think I've seen that on a mech before. I think only the honor guards of various clans use that.
Look closer, it's got a blood drop. It's a Blood Spirit Star Captain (without a bloodname?). Color scheme is all fuckered up though, and that >looks< like a Falcon or Mandrill.

>>53927469
Nothing against the board man, we all do our part for the Cosplay gods.

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>>53932107
>and it's never the same distro that works.

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>>53927943
I think it brought some interesting things, like a focus on combined arms and a faster game, but ultimately was hindered by its poor fluff and aesthetic choices.

I got an old Hollander wreckage from a battle. It's pretty salvageable, but I don't have any gauss rifles. Which is the better option, a HPPC or an ERPPC with a capacitor?

>>53934115
The second. The extra range is more important on a light.

Or strap a capacitor to the HPPC if you're feeling balsy.

>>53934115
Cap the ERPPC. You neeeeeeed the range on something that slow. Or give it a snub and IJJs or something equally retarded.

So, what are the pretty much required falcon mechs again? And are those still the pretty much required ones in 3145?

>>53934473
Kit Fox, Summoner, Hellbringer, and no there are a few totem 'mechs they tossed into their touman by 3145, and who knows what else.

Part of the Dark Ages and Jihad was shaking up everything so just about any faction can have any 'mech.

>>53934473
Thor, Loki, Uller, Black Lanner, Turkey

>And are those still the pretty much required ones in 3145?
They get updated models of most like Thor II, Loki II, and so on. Also their totem mechs, though the first totem mech, the Jade Hawk wound up in general circulation because they lost control of the blueprints for it.

>>53934251
>>53934359
I'm going with the ERPPC. Thanks.

So how the hell do you make the variants of the Celestial Series 'mechs? IWM sell the Invictus and Dominus for each one, but they each have like four other versions you can run. Can you actually make models for them, or is it just a case of "this is totally this variant" proxying?

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>>53934473
>>53934664
I should also point out that even the Falcons were getting leery of the Hellbringer by ~3055. That's why they started making the Cauldron-Born. Even the screaming hardcore Crusaders viewed it as a suicide post by the Jihad, and had some kind of replacement design on hand.

Likewise, the Turkina was their replacement for/answer to the Dire Wolf (which nobody was getting from the Homeworlds during the Jihad).

In the Dark Age, the Falcons have been bleeding their touman dry for a couple decades, so they have a wild mix of random shit - including a lot of Hellion leftovers from the Fury Campaign, not to mention Hell's Horses stuff from the whole Mongol debacle. I'd keep Kit Foxes, since they're both iconic and badass as Hell, but mix in some classic and Mk. II Falcons stuff.

In general, your higher-ranking pilots are going to have heavier and better machines than the rest of their Star, and nobody but the Turkey Keshik is really going to have an Assault-weight formation. They treat speed as much, much more important than they used to once the Mongol Doctrine kicks in, too. So you're going to see an emphasis on tactical mobility that looks more Wolfy than Falcon. Plus they start getting into physical combat to a degree that even the WiE are looking at as "unclanlike"..

>>53935945
The Wolf and Blake lance packs are the only place where you can get the Infernus I think? There's definitely three or four of each, but I don't recall every single one being available, just like most omnis don't. Like I don't think you can get a Timberwolf Z or whatever. That's the realm of kitbashing like most variants.

>>53936263
I didn't even know they had WoB Mechpacks. Of course it doesn't say which variants they come with just that they're "new."

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>>53936372
I'll poke them on the forums later. Busy dealing with some campaign-related stuff for my D&D group right now. Specifically massive drama caused by a third party being an entirely unwarranted (and bigoted) cunt, and spreading rather easily-disproven lies about town. So.. that's been fun.

>>53936263
>>53936372
To actually answer your question, there are a bunch of WoB 'Mech upgrade packs in the IWM "ScrapYard", Omni Parts, and Online Exclusives sections of their website. You can't build everything but it's a solid base to kitbash from.

I pwersonally used bits from Earthsiege, Jovian Chronicles, and 25a boxed-set plastics to make mine, but I fucking hate the Celestial designs and minis. Plus I have a bizzarely massive bits box that's like twenty years deep at this point.

>>53937207
I love the Celeatials. They look so weird and alien and just "what the fuck?" to me while still fitting the setting.

I've seen the bits parts before, but IWM is terrible at actually having pictures or worthwhile details for half their products.

>>53935962

>falcons
>building Ebon Jaguar

uwotm88

Night Gy, did you mean?

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What should I be looking for in a CAS Aero /btg/? Never messed with aerotech before, but in my AtB game I've found myself with a nice cushy contract where I have the c-bills to buy, and have the 100% battle loss compensation for when I inevitably screw it up.

>>53937789
'Mechbuster is a flying AC/20, which is about as CAS as CAS gets. Aeros that can carry bombs are also great, as on demand inferno bombs and HE can really ruin some days.

Other than that, you'll want to be careful since you can lose any aero to a botched piloting roll, and those happen whenever they get hit.

>>53937789

Mechbuster loaded with thermobarics is the best, cheapest, choice. Though I guess you could mod a RAC/5 onto it and unjam between passes.

Be ready to bury a lot of pilots. The bot absolutely murders aero, when it lets aero function at all. Note that "close air support that is safe" is an oxymoron. If you want safe air support, load up a bunch of Torrent bombers and paste a mapsheet from Altitude 10.

>>53932279
What is that astech pouring into its shoulder?

>>53937789
>>53938194
>>53938502

Yeah... with CAS you want things as affordable as possible. I'd go with either 'Mechbusters, or some Boeing Jump Bombers.

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>>53938194
>>53938502

Thanks for the suggestions, any more general advice if I don't see one of these pop up in the unit market? will I be able to tell how many bombs a given aero can mount?

I'm pretty far from Kuritan/Rasal space. I try not to use "purchase unit" unless It's a situation where I could realistically expect to be able to buy from the manufacturer.

I did stop by Tharkad and purchase a bunch of Warrior H-8s and a few Wolfhounds to before taking my current contract, but unless I'm missing it, there doesn't seem to be a way to load bombs onto VTOLs in MegaMek.

>>53938789
Isn't it one ton of bombs per ten tons of mass?

And you did check the external stores optional rule in the menus, yeah?

>>53937207
>>53937355
Well shit. I was literally just going to ask if it was possible to magnetize celestials for all variants. I guess I've got my answer.

>>53938789
What year are you in? There's always the option of loading LRM Warriors with Thunder FASCAM.

>>53938986
>And you did check the external stores optional rule in the menus

I looked for it, can't find it, not even when searching for "external" or "stores"

Running 0.43.2-git, experimental tech level

>>53939183
Early 3050, about 1 month before the clans show up.

>>53939262
Well so much for that, too early for Thunder LRMs.

If I wanted to build a Knights of the Inner Sphere company for a game set in the Coventry/Huntress battles, what would be some solid and common Marik mechs to use?

>>53940073

Trebuchet, Albatross, Guillotine, Blackjack, Stalker, Awesome. Try not to take any lights against Clans.

>>53940073
Awesome, Stalker, Orion, Hunchback, Ronan Warhammer, Archer upgrade, Command Marauder, Ostroc, Battlemaster, those kind of things.

>>53940305
>Guillotine
I had totally forgotten that the OG TRO:3050 put it back in production at Irian.

So what happened after Jihad?
Who got WMD'd?
What happened to all the HPG uplinks?

>>53940851
Republic of Sphere

Everyone got a taste

BSOD

>>53940851
>So what happened after Jihad?
Stoners
>Who got WMD'd?
Nobody yet, unless you count dropping a Nightlord on some civilians from orbit.
>What happened to all the HPG uplinks?
Also Stoners.

Fun fact most people don't realize though. 10% of the HPG network is still operational after Gray Monday. Sure, that's pretty shit coverage but it's not like it's totally gone or just five or six stations left. In fact, operational stations were part of the earliest DA game scenarios before even Ghost War came out. Places like Ronel and Ancha were critical that way.

>>53938986
>Isn't it one ton of bombs per ten tons of mass?
One ton of bombs per *five* tons of mass, actually, which is what makes the 20-ton BJB so nasty. Every five tons of external ordnance costs you 1 point of base Thrust, though, down to a minimum of 3/5 IIRC.
Dev-level comments/errata say that VTOLs should be able to use XO as well, but I don't know if MegaMek has ever been coded for it.

>>53941317

I think the minimum is actually 1/2 since you need to be able to get yourself airborne.

You can also use the Internal Bomb Bay quirk to carry extra munitions but you can only drop 5 or 6 points of bombs from it per turn. I forget which but it was specifically staged to prevent bombers from flinging multiple nukes each turn. Still hammers conventional bombers pretty badly, I think a better solution would have been 10-15 bomb points per turn and just have had nukes take up more space or be limited to one drop per turn.

In related stuff I'm not sure if Small Craft or DropShips can officially use Bomb Bays even though some are explicitly fluffed as making use of them. It's gonna suck even more for them with the drop limits. I'd suggest CGL come up with bomb bay weapons for SC and DS instead but we all know how many fucks they have to give about the air game, so...

>>53938789
VTOLs were specifically errataed in the just-released TO file to lose 1 Cruising MP per bomb carried, so they're no longer as great a bombing platform.

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>>53941623

There are always ways to be a jackass, anon.

Always.

And even something like a Ferret can benefit from strapping on a bunch of RL-10s. Things like a Yellowjacket not so much, but then it doesn't need the help as badly any way.

>>53941807

Derped a bit. Skim 8 points of armour off and put the TAG in the turret where it belongs. You can fit a Bloodhound Probe in by dropping the Cruise MP by one as well.

>>53938682
coolant

>>53932279
>Look closer, it's got a blood drop. It's a Blood Spirit Star Captain (without a bloodname?). Color scheme is all fuckered up though, and that >looks< like a Falcon or Mandrill.


what would the story behind a "Nameless Blood Spirit Star Captain" be?

Is the Hunchback IIC a lifelong death sentence or is their a defined way to get promoted or transferred to a non-suicide charge mech?

>>53942251
Like anything else in the Clans, if you prove your worth, you get promoted. So if you out-solahma your other solahma and turn the tide of a battle or make a glorious stand or whatever, you'd get a promotion or some notice. But since the guys assigned to this are already on the end of their shelf life, you'd have to follow that up with further solid performances or you'd just be shuffled off once more: the clock is always ticking.

>>53942251

Depends.

If you get sent to the Solahma forces it's because you lack the combined skill and connections to keep you in the front-line forces which means you're probably not going to have the juice to do much once there.

It's always possible to meet a patron or do something that gives you some status as a Solahma warrior but it's incredibly unlikely that once on the scrapheap you'll convince anyone to get you off it.

>>53942251
>>53942428
One thing to remember is that point it's not even necessarily about getting promoted, but just doing something proving you were awesome enough to have your genes put in the breeding pool, even if you die doing it.

>>53942548

If you get sent to the solahma you have no chance of being added to the gene pool unless you were already Bloodnamed. And if you're Bloodnamed you probably have the skill and connections to stay in the front lines until death.

Best-case scenario for solahma warriors is doing something awesome enough to get into the Rememberance and/or go out in a blaze of glory that wins you the honour of having your ashes mixed with the amniotic fluid of the following generation, as Joanna hoped to do.

show me best painted Night Gyrs

>>53942724
>Deleted picture.
Never mind. You said "Best"

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>>53938682
Nothing, he's just watering himself
Take a careful look inside the cockpit at the "driver" though...

>>53937701
Sorry, I was thinking of the Crusaders in general, since the Jags came up with the Ebon Jag to replace the Hellbringer. Yeah, the Night Gyr is a better Faclon example, especially since it keeps a similar philosophy but adds three tons of armor and better overall weapons spreads to the good old Glasshammer (The "D" also makes a remarkable Mad Dog Prime replacement, and the E a good counter to the Timber Wolf, Hellbringer Golf, and Mad Dog B alike. The Night Gyr B is basically a better Mad Dog Charlie, too.)

>>53941499
Aren't drop limits per bay, though? I know mechbays and fighter bays work that way, stands to reason that multiple bomb bay doors would too
Otherwise that conversion I ran on one of my Leopards to swap the Fighter Bays for bomb bays has been ALL WRONG.

>>53941623
>they're no longer as great a bombing platform.
True, but when you've got fifteen to lose it's not that bad a nerf. And popping a couple Cluster Bombs on a Karnov to clear the LZ is still disgustingly good.

>>53942766
bring that back I wanna see

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>>53942228
Given how ruthlessly competitive the Spirits are, not to mention how often they get plowed by the Burrocks and Adders, he might just be filling a pair of smoking boots or waiting for the next Grand Melee. Since they have a smaller touman, it's less-likely that a Star Captain wouldn't be Bloodnamed than in other clans - but it's not exactly impossible.

>>53942821

AFAIK you only get one internal bomb bay, but since dropping bombs from anything but ASFs and VTOLs is expressly forbidden it doesn't really matter what you do with your Leopard. It's a house rule any way :P

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>>53942821
cool.

somehow the combination of founded shapes, military green upper body, and dark with red polka dot "boots" makes me think of some kind of soul reaping clown.


Also that is a lot of LRMs

>>53942821
leopard bombers are my favorite thing ever.

please post yours

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>>53942909
It's literally just a regular Leo with quad 25t bomb bays and an extra 100t of Cargo Space instead of the two Fighter Bays. I floated replacing the Port-side cargo bay with infantry bays but the PCs wanted to keep the space for stealing shit.

>>53914686
I don't play battletech

I clicked on this because "oh hey is that a mech playing hockey hah that's fun I love it"

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>>53942890
>that is a lot of LRMs
[KRAKEN 3 LAUGHING IN THE DISTANCE]

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>>53942845
k

>>53942888
Gorgon Carrier from TRO 3145 Marik is a DS with the internal bomb bay quirk.

>>53943224
delicious.

>>53943268
I like your nova

do you still have it? I would like closeups.

>>53943224
I need to set up a battle between this and a Hellstar for laughs when I have time.

>>53943224
I thought the Bane 3 was the LRM boat.

>>53943910
Kraken is the IS designation.

>>53943960
did the inner sphere number the variants differently though?

>>53944076
What? No. The variant numbers are the same, only the Inner Sphere calls it the Kraken, while the Clans call it the Bane.

>>53927943
Thanks! I miss it too. By the end, it was almost turning into a pretty good game, and the sculpting was getting tighter scalewise and better looking.

>>53932623

Anyone ever pick up any of these minis? Are they a good substitute for BT minis?

https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/CAV:%20Strike%20Operations/latest/page1

>>53944207
Generally speaking, CAV is more on the scale of clickytech. You can still buy them for bits, but on the table they'll dwarf most pewters.

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>>53944207
Mean ass derivative Catapult.
Never bought any myself, but they look stat-worthy.

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>>53943874
Yes. I still have all my minis.
My nova didn't turn out as well as the rest, but it's still alright'ish, though the paints I used made all my CJF look pretty cartoony. I'll try to take a snapshot for /btg/ on the weekend, since it's dark out and I don't have a photography setup.

While I hadn't mastered the rust look by that point, I thought my solhama star turned out a bit better, though they were honestly scraped together from unloved leftovers from my LGS' Battletech rack.

>>53944280
thanks.
looking forward to it.

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>>53936372
The WoB mechpacks were sculpted to be the 'mechs that the WoB used in the Wolf and Blake starterbook, though "Starter" is a massive misnomer - more like "Stop being locked in forever 3067 and get your shit in gear".

I wish I had players who were open to getting shit in gear

Though I think they come with some spare parts so that you can do some mods and give them the standard retractable blade arms for celestials, the "Custom" configs of the Opacus Venatori also happen to be strikingly similar to the "Luminus" configs.

Here are the two packs put together to make a Level II, though I painted them to look like the 51st instead of Opacus Venatori

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>>53925668
>one of the wretched E-models
MFW that is my first choice of all the Owens available, because it's the only one with a MPL.
Granted, there really aren't any Owenses with loadouts I'd ever call "Good" that I know offhand, but when you've only got 10 SHS and are bogged down with all the Beagle Probes, TAG, and C3 Slaves, there's not a lot that can be done.

>>53945690
>the fuck did you just say about Al-Quaeda

>>53944082
Bane?

>>53944280
What is it about making solahma formations that's so fun?

>>53945802
-Using 2nd-liners that we have so many of but get shunned for Timberwolfs
-Having rusty unkempt garbagemachines in standard IS style, but with clantech.

I still need to get my hands on the Hellhound.
No, the MW4 hellhound can fuck the hell off. I want the Wolverine IIC from the Fasa prints of TRO 3055.

>>53945877
Anon has good taste. MW4 Hellhound was a cool design, but it's not a damn Conjuror.

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>>53945783
>You have insulted the commander of the Arkab legion.

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>>53938502
The bot does seem to focus aero hard. Still nothing quite as satisfying as having a drac crab plink your fortress, only to have it fail the check and fall on the offending crab.

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>>53945802
>>53945877
Solahma formations: So much fun, I play the Solahma Clan. Which reminds me, I need to repair the Blood Kite I picked up last month for my Trinary's XO and strip my new Corvis and Unseen Peregrine. Not to mention get more Elementals under rubber.

>>53945474
>The WoB mechpacks were sculpted to be the 'mechs that the WoB used in the Wolf and Blake starterbook, though

They're not though. The Goon ones are, but the WoB are the Infernus. It was an IWM thing. Notice that all the WoB Opacus Venatori custom 3072 variants have the same major weapons in basically the same spots as the Infernus.

Besides, the Wobbies had a shit ton of different chassis and variants in that book.

This also reminded me that they never released the Goon Uziel custom by itself, the only Uziel mini that actually looked right out of the box.

>>53945943
>call him a dune baboon a couple of times and his cockpit explodes from the inside.

>>53944280
>made all my CJF look pretty cartoony
To be fair, if there's one clan that can get away with a cartoony look/presentation, it's the actual saturday morning cartoon villains.

Beside the Kraken are there any mechs named after sea creatures?

I'm watching an ocean documentary and it has me thinking about putting together a nautical battletech force.

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>>53947012
>Beside the Kraken are there any mechs named after sea creatures?

Does this count? If so, then >>53945990, too.

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>>53947012
Are we talking just themed, or a unit that specializes in water-heavy actions ala Kraken Unleashed?

>http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kraken_Unleashed

>>53947072
Of course, Crabs and King Crabs count.

>>53947085
Just themed.

>>53947012
Off the top of my head:
The now-canonical Orca superheavy. Thresher and Tiburon. Pirhana is a fish, but it's freshwater. There are probably more.

>>53947266
Maybe I should just build a Diamond Shark binary?

Now that I think about it, are the Diamond Sharks and House Amaris the only factions to have a nautical sigil?
I'm a little surprised a shark was approved for a clan.

>>53947377
They were originally Clan Sea Fox, but then the Snow Ravens engineered the Diamond Land (Sarna says its environment is grasslands) Shark and released it onto Strana Mechty where it ate most if not all of the Sea Foxes, so they renamed themselves after the critter what ate their totem animal. Then they changed their name back a couple centuries later.

>>53947460
Got mixed feelings about it. On the one hand the shark is a little funny for a clan to totemize, given Amaris and all.

On the other hand, the Diamond Shark seems a lot cooler than the Sea Fox. And canine sigils are way over-represented in BT. Why did they change back? Did the Sea Fox evolve and stop being a pussy?

>>53947502
Seafox wasn't a pussy. There's just not much you can do against something purpose-made to eat you.

The Sea Foxes were spread to other planets and pretty much did to native ecosystems what the diamond shark did to them on Strana Mechty. Since they're no longer nearly extinct, name changed back.

>>53947574
Gotcha. It still kinda doesn't make sense, but it does strike me as one of those thing in BT that happens because it happens.

Anyway, thanks for the info. I'm going to check Sarna but if you're inclined to and remember any other nautical mechs, aerospace fighters or whatever, please share.

>>53947633
That's what the Raven Khan felt when when the name change was proposed.

It makes sense if you realize that SeaFox invented the chatterweb, and it was their trolling the Ravens that got the Diamond Shark made and released in the first place.

>>53947460
It's an actual shark that lives in water.

Also
>Trusting an article environment that says "Intorduced"

>>53947633
Clanners are interesting in that they care about some specific animals even though most are engineered Terran stock. There's all sorts of wierd shit in BT that just gets wiped out by the locals because "Fuck it, not Terran, not worth anything."

It's interesting how they run into all the same sort of virgin ecosystem problems that people did back when America was colonized.

"What a lovely plain for planting wheat."
"Sure, until the spring migration of two million bloodsucking beetlewolves following the herd of twenty million walking trees. Gotta teach my boy how to work the flamethrower on Rusty this year so we can work in shifts. I nearly passed out and lost the crop last season."

>>53947876
It's shit like this that explains why most civilians in the boonies have at least a machinegun or vehicle flamer available.

I still remember the ulteth from what was it..By Blood Betrayed? Fucking carnivorous deer.

>>53947920
The people on Mallory's World carry Manpack PPC's to fend off the local raptors.

What's crazy is that most stuff is only still around because it's so damn hard to kill. Like that one black creeper animal/plant that always smells like rotten flesh that the locals have been trying to napalm into extinction for the better part of a thousand years with no luck. Who wants to live in a place that smells perpetually like the dumpster behind a butcher shop after all?

Can somebody explain to me the thought process that made the Hoplite 4D? Is it king derp or what?

>>53948037
They took a 4C, upgraded the main gun and gave it enough ammo to swap back and forth between shell types. Same armor, same engine, same LRM's. Pretty straightforward honestly.

>>53948003
>Who wants to live in a place that smells perpetually like the dumpster behind a butcher shop after all?

Same reason people live in New Jersey, I imagine.

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>>53947920
>>53947876
>That fluff entry for the Bishop VTOL that talks about giant plains squid

Also the giant dumpster sized raccoons implied in pic related.

>>53948003
I thought Mallory's World made parasites and diapers?

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>>53948313

>>53948313
Not all NJ is Elizabeth and Camden, you know. Most of it is pretty nice, unless you have a problem with corrupt politicians, in which case you might want to try the moon.

>>53948669
You're right. I was thinking of Chafee. When the Falcons show up there in the Dark Age, they take the three actual big cities on the place and don't dare venture into the boonies because of all the heavily armed locals and dinosaurs. Which is funny when you think that it used to be known as a beautiful nature retreat back in the Star League days.

>>53947755
I know. It was a joke on my part. Sorry that wasn't clear. Even CGL isn't THAT stupid. Probably.

>>53948098
But why 16 SHS? At max it generates what, 6 heat?

>>53948903
So players like you can feel smart about improving variants.

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>>53948848
>falcons on mallory's world

damn I'm behind on fluff

You know, every time I read about all of Stone's forced relocation stuff, I can't believe anyone was ever expected to cheer for the RotS.

>TFW when exiled to that shitty world that's thrown out of orbit and will be unihabitable in a century and is already gone from a garden into an ice age

But I can't help but chuckle when he tried to do that to places like Alkalurops and they just told him to fuck off at gunpoint.

>>53949024
The forced relocation information came waaaaay later. Originally the RotS was depicted as a totally straight portrayal of the old ComStar propaganda about the Star League.

>>53949125
>Originally the RotS was depicted
you talking RL timeline or the stuff in the post-Jihad books?

>>53949024
Shit which world is that?

>>53949125
>The forced relocation information came waaaaay later.

It was in at least as early as By Temptations and By War. Probably in some of the clicktech scenario stuff before that. I'll go dig through it in a minute.

It was portrayed as a super positive thing though. Like "Look at all this wonderful diversity that we've forced on these people by upending everything the local culture has been doing for the last five hundred years. Now they'll be loyal to us instead of their old houses or worlds. Wait. They hate each other. Why aren't they happy? Why can't they get along? How dare they not get with the program!"

Of course that was from the perspective of the Paladins and Knights and they were a bunch of brainwashed Stoner faggots anyway so it makes sense.

Catalyst showed it as being a little uglier in later DA material, mostly because those old allegiances are what tore the place apart come the Blackout.

>>53949020
The only thing more aggravating than that gif is someone getting a crit on the first turn using a piece of crap machine at long range and either ammo critting you or head shotting you.

>>53949235
>you talking RL timeline or the stuff in the post-Jihad books?
Real life timeline. The earliest material for the Dark Age was that the Republic was the only super state left, and that they were just soooo dreamy. Then that got dropped but the factions was portrayed as nearly without flaw for a long time in the DA material. CGL's fluff made them swing further to regular IS faction levels.

>>53949313
What about skidding off the map before you ever fire a shot with a pristine machine?

>>53949322
Can Confirm, Ghost War was almost insufferably proRepublic. Even to the point of making note that Devlin Stone was SO AWESUM that Victor Steiner-Davion swore fealty to him as the first Paladin of the Sphere or some shit.

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>>53949349
OH-HELL that has pissed me off a few times. Just damn that pisses me off. And it's usually something like a 4+ or 5+ roll too.

>>53948903
I always liked to assume it was because the Dragoons got a bunch of stripped-shielding engines on the cheap and wanted a platform to run them in. This is, of course, retarded, but then again, so is the variant.

>>53949381
For crying out loud, the 4B has a PPC and an LRM-15, which would make it of some help along the lines of a slower non-jump capable Griffin. If a player rolls this thing, I always give them the chance to reroll unless it's the 4B.

>>53949322
>>53949360
Ghost War had population transfers though. How far past the "earliest" Republic stuff was it?

>>53949322
Digging through my OG DA material I saved from the Wizkids site, the Resettlement Act has been there since the very beginning.

>Resettlement Act of 3082 (which was his first official decree as Exarch of the new Republic).

And the second was the infamous 3083 Military Materiel Redemption Program we all know as "swords to plowshares"

>Sebastian Myrna of the Immigrant Citizenship Coalition, a political action group committed to the rights of relocated families, is not so sanguine. “Yes, citizenship was—and is—a valuable commodity. It was also selectively handed out to Stone’s chief supporters first, and remains an elusive dream to many residents who work so hard they have no time for five years of public service. As always, the rich and the privileged hold every advantage.” The ICC champions a shorter period of service and lighter requirements for families who immigrated from outside the Sphere or for those residents who were forcibly relocated to new worlds by Stone’s resettlement programs.


That's super early material from 2001 or 2002.

Also found a count of the RAF as of 3132. Ten regiments was all they had, one stationed in every prefecture and most of it was non-mech and also downsized on friendly borders.

>>53949553
Yeah, but it talked about the transfers positively instead of realistically. It was made abundantly clear that the Paladins were either brainwashed, or idealistic beyond rationality.

>>53949296
>>53949613
>people literally joined up with WoB due to planetary nationalism
>completely ignore it

>>53949665
>either brainwashed, or idealistic beyond rationality

That's pretty much Levin, Sinclair and Lakewood to a T. Then you have the impassive clanner ones and the old era boys like McKinnon and VSD. Well, except I'm 90% sure David McKinnon is like a Sith Lord tier Blakist. I think the Robes captured him during Operation Scythe and brainwashed him then left him as bait at Krupp.

>>53948823
The parts that don't smell of dumpster smell of axe and guido droppings. We're talkin' people here, not vermin.

>>53949884
>Implying nationalism is bad
>Implying it also wasn't due to everyone shitting on the core worlds since the collapse of the Hegemony
>Implying you can successfully change the demographics of billion plus population worlds with the shitty transportation capacity of standard space fleets when you can't, making it nothing but a big fuck you and a punishment like Transportation was.

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>>53949020

What a great little animation. Rather fitting for my current situation actually. Thanks.

>>53949943
Or maybe more likely at Kittery with Stone. That place was a dedicated re-education camp.

>>53949665
Not really, it talked about how they caused trouble. It proves >>53949125 wrong.

>>53949884
>When your government is so shit that Wobblies are an attractive alternative.

Stay mad Stoner.

>>53950062
I mean it was a "LET'S BREAK UP THIS NATION AND KEEP THE OTHER HALF AT ARM'S LENGTH WHILE WE GAS THE HALF THAT'S ALLIED TO US"-Vietnam war-tier fuckup.

>>53950272
Easy now. Using the V-word tends to spark... very small civil wars, I suppose. Bad for threads regardless, though.

>>53947012
Well, there's the Maelstrom and Lamprey, not to mention the Posiedon and the Kingfisher.

>>53947377
>>53947266
>>53947126
>>53947072
If you're going the Clan route, don't forget Protos - there's the Triton, which is.. usable, if not great. There's also the Undine and Sea Fox battle armors, and the various subs.

...I somehow think including a Leviathan in your force might be a bit much though.

>>53950841
There's a million ways to justify a Leviathan appearing in a, say, mech lance. For example, just call it a long-standing tradition of a Davion hidden regiment.

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>>53951286
Get back in the box, Rome, you'll give the new guy ideas. Besides, I thought you quit Catalyst because they weren't paying for your shit in the first place...

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>>53943224
>that is a lot of LRMs
for you

>>53952049
Just for the heck of it, who's Rome and what was his agenda/mental disorder?

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>>53952251
Ben "Ghost Bear" Rome was the de facto line developer for Battletech for the last couple of years. The years, you note, where exactly jack over shit got accomplished. He blames a combination of the company owners refusing to give him any money, never letting him have creative control, and constantly red-lighting BT stuff to release new games. Which is probably true. But he's also more than partly responsible for the Leviathan III, AKA "The warship that is literally harder to kill than a planet", and it's really easy to blame the stagnation and utterly rancid quality of CGL's recent offerings on him. He quit at the end of last year over what appears to be unpaid wages and the general CGL-related faggotry we all know and love. He also reads the thread occasionally and then whines about us on Twitter.

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>>53943894
3 battles. Got head shotted twice and the third ended up with this. Don't underestimate the munchkin machine.

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>>53952359
I'm mostly just buttmad that after all the novels and fluff text of the Draconis Combine alluding to a cultural shift after Theodore Kurita came into power, Ben Romes' housebook basically negated the lot and touted them as perma-idiots.

If anything, he portrayed them worse than the original housebook, because in the original house books they portrayed them as more ruthless and evil, where the new one is more like some kind of black comedy where they derp around, celebrate for days when they conquer six planets and immediately lose five and commit suicide if they break even.

>>53952359
Ben was never promoted (whether that was his choice or CGL's I've heard conflicting stories on) and apparently had no control or even insight into what was going on, so saying he was the "de facto line developer" after Herb is pretty misleading; it's only true insofar as Herb wasn't there any more (and even then, Randall took over). Following from that, I don't see how you can blame anything regarding CGL today on him.

>>53953067
Well, the Housebook is like the exact year they have the major Black Dragon rebellion and right before Teddy has a stroke. Teddy's reforms were maximum around the mid-50's and then started sliding down right around the time of the Caballero novels.

Then by the Dark Age, they double down on the retardation and forcefully remove the Kuritas for not being stupid enough.

>>53953246
Handbook, I mean.

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>>53949313
Through armor critical to the cockpit with an LBX-2 with no other damage.

>>53944207
>>53944229
>>53944237
I heard they were going to go Bones on the CAV stuff, which would be great since Bones are smaller than the pewters by like 10%.

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>>53953612
It's even better when it's named characters.

>tfw I faced off against Patrick Kell and a company of the Kell Hounds with their crazy 3025 stats
>tfw I killed that motherfucker in his pristine Thunderbolt with a regular pilot Vulcan AC2 to the face
>tfw when I did the same to Dan Allard in his Valk

I've always loved the Vulcan as a vehicle hunter but fuck did that make me smile.

battlebumping...

>>53950060
Nah, that's the Jersey Shore. Basically, inland NJ is mostly nice, coastal NJ is mostly horrible. There are a few stretches of coast that are pleasant enough, but the cities like Camden and Atlantic City are shite. Newark's awful, Elizabeth has some good parts but also that nasty-ass part along I-95. I don't know Jersey City enough to comment. Inland, especially Central and South Jersey is largely quite pleasant.... if you're not black, anyway.

>>53952840
>Chicago Cubs
Gonna need a new tie/no win message now.

>>53956018
Camden is worse than iraq. Been to both trust me. Great concerts and the NJ (battleship) but seriously fuck that town.
Nj earns a lot of its bad rap but most doesn't suck as bad as ppl say. Cow town rodeo is fun af esp drunk.
I grew up summering in OC nj. Love it but beaches suck I'll be honest.

To make bt related may I provide a design challenge?

>>53956470
Only if you give a design challenge.

>>53956873
Well was not trying to hijack.

So here it is.

I'm not super well versed in new DA toys.

This planet is cutting edge but due to what ever story you want pacisfim or bans on manufacturing. No new weapons not even lostec.

So can have all the toys BAP xxl engines etc. But intro tech only weapons.

Use any chassis load with toys and basic weapons including melee.

It's a weird one but btg seems to do great on odd ones.

Why wont mekhq let me buy clan mechs?

>>53956985
Because they're not for sale? You generally have to salvage Clantech.

>>53956134
It won't happen again until 3025.

>>53957036
Its part of my units background that they sold out the inner sphere and traded intel for clan mechs.

>>53957067
Well I'm so sorry the game doesn't support your speshul snoflake backstory. As though the pre-Invasion Clans would trade with bandit or mercenary filth.

Well baited my friend.

>>53956979
Way to fluff it is Early DA downgrade. That's a common thing they did with a bunch of Jihad machines to make them more rugged and survivable during peacetime. MML's downgraded to vanilla LRM's and those kind of things.

>>53957097
are you trying to be hostile?

>>53957122
Does it matter if they are? That's an incredibly BS backstory. The Wolf's Dragoons were already relaying info to the Clans, and even they didn't get full Clan-tech upgrades despite being actual Clanners themselves.

There's exactly zero reason for any Clan to give IS mercenaries anything. If anything, you'd just be dispossessed.

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>>53956979
Upgrade to an Introtech machine I made a while back. Get access to DHS, gut the 15 extra SHS it was packing, replace them with advanced electronics and JJs to increase mobility. Relatively cheap, accurate fire and hard to kill, and able to maneuver in almost any terrain. It's like fighting a Warhammer and a Discoback at the same time. Or at least, that's the general idea. I have an idea for a Light' Mech as well, if you're interested.

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>>53956985
Do you have the all important option in pic related selected and have Clan technology actually available (IE: 3050 or later in the IS)? If neither of those are true, then you can't buy Clan parts.

>>53957067
ComStar has better intelligence than you ever will though. Why would any Clan deal with dishonorable mercenaries when the phone company is giving it away?

>>53957246
>If anything, you'd just be dispossessed.

Old school clanner way would be to be taken as bondsmen and made part of whatever clan they sold out to, then forced to fight their way up from nothing like everyone else. The clans themselves would feel that's the best way to honor them.

>>53957107
Is it? I didn't know. I'm not well versed in lore or toys the idea all this crazy new stuff and og weaponary hit my fancy.
Sorry I wasn't baiting.

>>53957246
Here, read my story, it explains everything. Sparrow basically sold his soul for clan tech, and even after he got it they tried to take it back.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57952.0

>>53957334
That's just a Battleaxe upgrade.

>>53957334
That's nasty and yea what I was thinking. Thanks for posting.

>>53957122
The Clans would not trade hardware for intel, and would probably exterminate your unit for offering. If you think telling you the way things are is hostile, you really want to leave now before we actually get hostile.

>>53957350
Old School Clanners only give that honor to worthy warriors. They don't include mercenaries in that grouping until a few years after the invasion.

You may want to lurk moar, or at least avail yourself of the pdfs in the pastebins in the OP.

>>53957359
I'm not reading fanfiction as justification for powerwank. You're making Battletech Twilight.

>>53957347
Yeah, between Comstar and the Wolf Dragoons, the Clans weren't lacking in IS intel.

There's no way they're going to trade top-of-the line equipment for whatever a mercenary band can give them.

>>53957399 is probably right.

I really wish you'd stop portraying the clans as if they were retarded. They have intel services, and the clanners in question are Diamond Shark, I think.

The idea is they set up an operation to buy clan salvage at outrageous rates to keep the inner sphere from reverse engineering them.

>>53957367
>Battleaxe
Nah, mine's not undersinked garbage, in either iteration.

>>53957380
Sure thing.

>>53957441
>>53957416
>>53957399
Would you please just give my story a chance? Just read it before you decide you hate it.


http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57952.0

>>53957467
in the climax they eventually end up betraying the inner sphere by luring them in a trap to destroy the mechs they traded anyway.

>>53957416
>Old School Clanners only give that honor to worthy warriors. They don't include mercenaries in that grouping until a few years after the invasion.

First of all, I'm not the retard talking about free clanner gear. I said if the clanners gave any reward, that's what it would be.

Second, you should avail yourself of the Blood of Kerensky trilogy. They were taking pirates and mercs as bondsman all the way back to the very beginning. Redjack Ryan himself and Phelan Kell were front and center in 3049 with the Wolves.

>>53957525
they traded them for 25 units of captured battlesuits, in order to keep them out of the inner spheres hands. They had no intention of allowing them to keep the mechs they bargained for the intel.

>>53957359
>>53957484

>http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57952.0

>Endosteel factory on a planet in the periphery.

>When endo has to manufactured in 0g and is only just being rediscovered in the IS.

>Elementals and Clan Mechwarriors doing hit and run fighting in 3050.

>Clans trading Omnimechs for info they already have from the Wolf's Dragoons and Comstar.

Full on WEW LAD territory. You should really familiarize yourself with a setting before trying to write fanfics.

>>53957525
They made Phelan Kell a bondsman because he was descended from Ward and part of the bloodhouse. If you note, none of the other bondsmen he was with were adopted as Warriors.

>>53957467
The Watch would more likely be attempting to slip people on to places like Galatea and Solaris while avoiding WolfNet and ROM, which IMO, is much more interesting than what is functionally a sting because reasons. Hell, now I want to *run* that. Thanks.

>>53957561
But again why? What do these mercenaries know that ComStar couldn't? Where the best bars are?

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>>53957563
I've read the Clan Wolf series, its not my fault you choose to portray them like Saturday morning cartoon villains.

Clans aren't idiots, they are capable of deception and underhanded tactics.

>>53957563
>none of the other bondsmen he was with were adopted as Warriors.

Yes they were. Grimms boys certainly. Phelan's deal was he was eligible for a bloodname where none of the other guys would be.

>>53957596
>But again why? What do these mercenaries know that ComStar couldn't? Where the best bars are?

One, because they wanted the battlesuits back, and Two, because he had been in the Cappellians Intelligence Service for nearly 20 years and a mercenary for long after that.

>>53957359
This is bad. Please don't do this. Not here. We manage to avoid most of the OF stupidity 'round these parts.

>>53957610
>Clans built entirely around honorable combat and not using underhanded tactics.

>Using underhanded tactics.

Now I know you're a retard trying to troll. Kudos for wasting a day writing that story though.

>>53957663
It's bait. Bait with a lot of work put into it, but bait nontheless.

>>53957663
Just read it. I'm pretty sure your retarded "canonical" fan wankery is just as retarded if not more.

I prefer to break a few convetions than use cookie cutter characters and 40k garbage teir plots.

They shot them! Then they moved! Then they shot them some more! Somebody unimportant died! Ohhh, their mad now!

>>53957359
Oh boy. Let's see how much is wrong with this.

>Northern Periphery

Space has a north, now?

>Endo-steel Factory

Should be in an orbital facility. Endo has to be made in Zero G.

>The old man smiled coyly, “I'm sure I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry to have wasted your time. If you'll excuse me-”

>“You're from the clans aren't you?” The old man froze, his back turned.

An objectively old member of the clans, anywhere near the inner sphere at this point of the invasion...

All those contractions this clan oldtimer uses. You are aware, quineg, that the clans shun contractions? That all your "I'm" and "You'll" are filthy spheroid gutter language to a man of the clans?

>Buying your own salvage to keep the tech out of Inner Sphere hands. But surely, though, you must keep some on hand.”

Someone from the clans, not even a diamond shark, stooping to mercantilism. And even setting that aside, really? "we know this is your mission, but how about you do the exact opposite"

>In another five years, the clans are going to be marching through Terra with most of IS under its thumb.

3050, right? Not even comstar knew the clans were headed for Terra at this stage of the game.

>“Excellent. Where are you based?”

> “Galatea. Its easier to hide what we are doing there.

A supply line from the clans to Galatea that somehow no one has noticed?

>“Alright. Alright damn you, you'll get you're mechs. But I swear to Kerensky, if you reveal any part our operations here, I won't go down alone, I'll be sure to take you with me.”

You'll. Contraction.

You're. Contraction, and it's not even the right "Your."

Won't. Contraction.

I'll. Contraction.

The whole premise of this is beyond retarded. The clans would not buy back salvage, they barely understand that money is a thing. They would PERHAPS fight to destroy it, attempt to fight for possession of it, or kill the people who had it. Shit, running out of words.

At least I have the balls to do my own work and try new things. All you fucking do is criticize other peoples shit and follow the cannon like some mechanical robot.

>>53957634
>He thinks you get to leave the Maskirovka in any way other than 'sudden suicide'.

Dude, at least learn the name of the Cappie intel arm.

>>53957634
Capellan Intel is worthless compared to ROM. That's like asking Girl Scouts where the best secrets are kept when the NSA is handing you their files. Second, from what I've read of the story, you really need a beta, and to check the spelling of stuff. Like Capellan, not Capellian.

>>53957726
Then call it an AU. But at least get the basics of the setting down before screeching how we're all assholes.

>>53957726
>Writing fanfics
>"doing own work"

Pick one.
You can't claim to be original while writing fanfiction. Go write original fiction if that's what you want, but stop shitting up /btg/ with your whining.

>>53957726
Canon.

A better, CONSISTENT backstory for a merc unit that prefers lights and mediums and is mysteriously possessed of foreknowlege and clan technology in 3050, would be for Clan Ice Hellion, who has a real boner for lighter units, to send their own recon force, in secret even from the Dragoons, hoping to gain an edge when the time comes for bidding to participate in REVIVAL.

>>53957702
>Just read it. I'm pretty sure your retarded "canonical" fan wankery is just as retarded if not more.

honkey, i read six lines and couldn't do anymore.

my retarded "canonical" fan wankery WOULD be just as retarded.

the difference is that i have the good sense to not produce it in the first place.

what's your excuse?

>>53957709
your tears of envy are delicious.

>>53957726
Underaged b& detected.

I know, I know, 4chan's usage doesn't actually spike during summer, but he's doing an excellent job of impersonating an angsty teen at this point.

>>53957783
Ah, but he'd have to actually read the lore and that'd be work. We should just be fellating him for his 'creativity'.

>>53957806
Hey, you got the right "Your" this time. Bravo! The criticism is improving you already.

Fuck me this is bad fanfic, even medron pryde is better than this

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>>53957806
Your butthurt is showing.

>>53957796
Trying is the first step towards failure.
The lesson is: Never Try.

>>53957726
Shouldn't it be "Sparrow's Company" and "Sparrow's Stormcrows" ?

0/10 - Insufficient hard-drinking chain-smoking anthropomorphic unicorn tank drivers.

>>53957783
Honestly, I actually like this idea. It might make for a fun campaign, as might variations on the theme with other clans

>>53957806

Go show >>>/lit/. They're writers. We're here to play tabletop games, not jerk you off under the table.

>>53957826
i bet twilight is 500% better than this garbage, and thats factoring in mechs

>>53957857
Stormcrows is his Recon Lance.

>>53957866
now thats just hyperbole

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>>53957783
>would be for Clan Ice Hellion, who has a real boner for lighter units, to send their own recon force, in secret even from the Dragoons, hoping to gain an edge when the time comes for bidding to participate in REVIVAL.

Now I kind of want this

>>53957858

See? He should just delete his forum posts before someone screencaps them and he can't escape the shame, then run with this idea. /btg/ is already making this bearable.

>>53957881
Well that's bullshit. You should have a Company name to foster unity, and give lances designations appropriate to their function. Unless you're -trying- to come across as snowflakey as possible.

>>53957858
>blood spirits send advance party
>they're so busted up that absolutely nobody gets suspicious, even AFTER 3050

>>53957881
Hence the apostrophe. To show possession.

Also Bushwacker in 3050. I'll admit I only read the first words and the last words. I appreciate the effort put in though.

>he'd been forced to support his uncle sparrow in his unsuccessful coupe

Uncle Sparrow had a DeLorean? I think you mean Coup, a takeover attempt, not Coupe, a type of car.

> In three days we can all be back at outreach laughing about it over a beer. I might even have a spot for you on my team...”

the trip from Galatea to Outreach is far more likely to take you on the order of three months, than three days.

>“Commander Cole, you will finish you're mission as you have been instructed.”

You will finish you are mission.

>Bushwacker that had taken the lead. “Come and get me you bastards!”

Bushwacker didn't exist in 3050. It was developed in part due to clan salvage.

All I can say is I wish this had happened before this close to the bump limit, and thank God it's Thursday so more anons are here.

>>53957931
its a rough cut, there are going to be some spelling mistakes. What would you suggest in place of a bushwacker?

I have to Design Coles Cavalry anyway, its 2 heavy lances and a medium lance.

>>53957914
sounds about right

Maybe they could be a special attache' from the merchant caste? Rogue sibko's who washed out? The whole thing could be happenning without the senior khans even knowing it was underway.

>>53958025
I would suggest wikiwandering Sarna and starting over. This fanfic suffers from the basic plot being unworkable. That being said, try using a Hatchetman or Wolverine in the re-do if you're serious about improving.

Definitely take >>53957783 and run with it.

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>>53957783
>>53957858
>>53957901
GOTTA GO FAST

>>53957726
>>53957806
You are so massively butthurt about this, you must be under 18 and/or legit autistic. Either way I urge you to seek help, as your current rate of anal bleeding is going to kill you in six hours.

>>53957866
Woah woah. This dudes stuff was bad, but it wasn't twilight bad. Poorly written firefights are always better than poorly written romance. Also, sparkly vampires, and as a lifelong vampire counts player those make me physically ill.

>>53958075
the point is they are posing as civilians, wealthy merchants and contractors who are interested in clan tech.

They just look like another IS corporation trying to get a monopoly on clan salvage.

Even with the command circuit, they may not have made it back from the periphery till 51.

>>53958075
Not even Diamond Shark's merchant caste has that kind of independence. And just -no- on sibkos getting ahold of a jumpship.

Seriously. Just stop. Read up on the lore. There are fucking novels and sourcebooks in the pastebin. Make use of them.

If stackpole wrote it you'd be jerking off right to it right now.

Christ, are all literary wannabes this pretentious? Just cause you found it in the bargain bin doesn't make it trash.

>>53958106
>Seriously. Just stop. Read up on the lore. There are fucking novels and sourcebooks in the pastebin. Make use of them.
Assuming it's the same person as the OF, then they've had over a year to do so and haven't

>>53958082
I'm not butthurt, I'm just dissapointed.
In you.
The reader.

If I write up the shitty back story of my OC merc unit (do not steal) will /btg/ pimp it for me?

Will it help if I include sparkle vampires and crude MS paint drawings?

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>>53956979
I was trying to do this but I wound up making a 4/6/6 LAM with a Hyper Laser and AES instead for maximum Stoner RISC Faggotry. It may be slow and easy to outmanuever like most LAM's, but unlike most, it can also blast back with twenty damage at extreme aero range. Too bad it's a suicide sled. But hey, it wouldn't be an LAM if it wasn't.


Gonna do a scout LAM that's challenge legal next, but I imagine it will be similar to stuff other people have tried since the Interstellar Ops construction rules came out.

>>53958172
Sure, I could use a palate cleanser after that.

>>53958136
>If stackpole wrote it you'd be jerking off right to it right now.
Uh, m8, most of us hate stackshit's writing because it's trash. This is even worse, and that's saying something.

>>53958105
Yeah, because the corps know what's happening before Comstar itself has figured it out? Not a chance, they monitor all interstellar communication, and a command circuit is something that strains even the Great Houses to arrange, no corporation other than ComStar even comes close.

Just deal with the fact that you fucked up and need to start over.
>>53958163
>dissapointed
Jesus Fuck, most browsers have spellcheck built in. You need to suckstart a shotgun if you're this averse to criticism and gonna post your shit on 4chan.

>>53958172
It can't be worse than the shit we just saw.

>>53958172
sure go for it

>>53958172
>>53958192
too embarrassed to admit you got grandfathered in, eh? Its okay. I'm sure your friends will pretend they like it.

>>53958136
Naw, but most trash does end up in the bargain bin first. There's something of a causal relationship there.

Now be a brave boy and take your flawed, suffering creation out back and put a bullet in its head. It's the responsible thing to do with such an abortion.

>>53958192
>>53958203
>>53958228

Jackasses, I was going to go to sleep. Right, booting up paint.

>>53958136
Mike "Trust me, you're going to love the Dark Ages" Hackpole?

Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 c-bills. Go directly to fail.