Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Deathskulls or Blood Axes?

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Reposting for new thread
How can I make this kustom shoota more flashy?
Aside from removing the obvious mold line.

Can someone post the GSC camwhore pic set?

Checking, if you reroll 1's to-hit, that can protect you from Plasma Overcharge, right?

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First for storming girly mans sector and making a bee line for holy terra!

>>53901081
>you will never thrust your dick between the soft thighs of a trap, lifting his balls each time like a fleshy pet door flap

>>53901113
As long as you don't roll a 1 again, sure.

Do Ynnari psykers from CW and Harlequins get to keep their old discipline, get Revanent, or both?

>>53901113
Provided you don't roll 1s a second time, yes. Re-rolls are applied before special effects.

>>53901113
Not if it was modified to become a one, only natural 1s, because rerolls come before modifiers

>>53901121
>He thinks he'll beat Guilliman and the new Imperium.

>>53901094
Deffskulls so you can steal blood axes stuff

Going to pick up some Grey Knights tomorrow to get ready for 8th, what should I buy?

Forgeworld sauce, desu?

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>>53901127
>>53901081

>>53901094
Both
(where is the fit-lit edit for this when you need it)

>>53901132
>>53901139
>>53901142
Thank you!

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Last two digits of my post say how many times Sammael had to be gassed in order to become master of the Ravenwing

also r8 my kosher list

>>53901052
are people really this autistic about what's written on their army list?

So am I the only one who thinks the whole <Chapter> <Hive Fleet> thing etc is a little on the annoying side? To me it seems to just punish people who want variety in how their models look rather than combating any WuTangClan shenanigans. Especially since I can just say "These are all Ultramarines, even though they are painted purple it's just the lighting really."

So tell me, since they haven't fixed the whole <chapter> <Klan> <etc> thing, what's the most fucked up and broken shit that people have come up with?

>>53901175
They have foxed it, what are you talking about?

>>53901174
>>53901175
Wu Tang Clan has been FAQ'd you idiots

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Rate my highly unique orks

>>53901170

There needs to be an appreciable benefit for picking a random custom keyword for your army. Otherwise, why wouldn't you pick Ultramarines? Picking something like Wu Tang Clan needs to reward you. You no longer get to use Cato Sicarius or Guilliman's abilities, but in exchange, let's say you get to have a generic HQ that is really good and Ultramarines cannot use because they already have Marneus Calgar.

>>53901148
Easy to start with paladins and interceptors backed up by a couple baby carriages

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Im interested in bith white scars and deathguard and ragequitted the hobby in 5th because how shitty the rules became.

8th look very very good, does buying 2 or 3 Dark imperium box is usefull ? looks like a nice discount.

>>53901174
Its only relevant for special characters and marine chapters/legions when the real rules come out.

>>53901175
>Can already ally the entire imperium

Why even meme?

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>>53901107
>he doesn't have the set already

>>53901144
Reposting my question from last thread.

>>53901106
Add a scope with a skull blocking the end of it

>>53901201
Wait to see how much the individual stuff costs.

>>53901208
Just post it faggot.

>>53901193
Or...
Hear me out.

Paint your own unique character and have him use Marneus Calgar rules.

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R8 my new chapter.

Be kind senpai, it's my first time...

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>>53901107
What is this now?

So have chaos marines said anything about chadmarines yet?

>>53901203
>and marine chapters/legions when the real rules come out.
They'll be doing it for every faction now, not just marines.

>>53901223
Fuck off to
>>>/soc/
>>>/s/
>>>/lgbt/

>>53901106
More ammo belts.

>>53901218
No, the points page will tell you squad size limits.

>>53901227
neat

most brown schemes look like ass (literally) but this might be good.

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Reposting >>53901187
>>53900851
Let's see if I remember all the units that were in the Dark Imperium book:

>4 infantry kits, some dual-kits
Intercessor: Tacticals
Inceptor: Jump Infantry
Aggressor: Devastators
Reiver: Sneaky gits
>2 vehicle kits
Repulsor: Skimmer
Redemptor Dread
>1 Flyer
Overlord: Primaris Thunderhawk
>2 character clampacks
Gravis Captain
Primaris Librarian

So the tags we have are chapter, regiment, klan, sept, craftworld, dynasty and hive fleet right
That tells us the major faction groups are and what the codices will cover
Those tags are meaningless currently but the codices will change that

>>53901193

It'll come in the Codex. Stuff like Inquisitors choosing their Ordo from the list already grant them bonuses. It's likely this is how Chapter Tactics and Clans and Hive Fleets are going to work when their associated Codex rolls around.

As for right now, we're swimming in the interim, the Indexes are just to haul 7e into 8e in one big push, but they're going to have to sort out the flavorful rules on a case-by-case basis.

>>53901225

Then what's the point of the <Chapter> keyword, idiot?

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>>53901223
>implying I'm going to get b& on a blueboard so you can fap to our priestess when you weren't even in the original thread along with the rest of the Faithful

>>53901218
No, that is only a thing for Power Levels.

Inquisition/Adeptus Ministorum 1000pts list suggestions? Gonna try my hand at something unique and that nobody plays as my LGS

>>53901174
I don't really see the issue. It's very easy to understand.

>>53901227
>Void Scorpions
I mean thats all cool if you like it but I just can't help but think about a scorpion tumbling around in space lost

>>53901227
I like it. The blue is a nice touch.

>>53901174
>tfw Martian is the only viable homeworld to get daddy Cawl on the board
I like the vanilla colours so it's not really an issue but it does affect the yourdudes mindset a little.

>>53901201
>he thinks the 5E rules were shitty
>didn't even see the 6E or 7E shitfest

Haha.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Someone kill this faggot for avoiding the worst editions in the entire history of wargaming and then coming back for the best edition in the game.

>>53901149
The Imperial armor leak for chaos is in the links at the top of the thread. I know the space marine leaks were posted at some point but I don't have them.

>>53901269
Rumours are the 2 character packs are actually a Librarian and Apothecary, and the Captain will be exclusive to Dark Imperium (at least for now) just like the leaders in the Dark Vengeance box

>>53901276
To stop deathstars, mostly.

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>>53901251
>>53901282
Cool, thank you!

>>53901227
That particular color might be hard to pull off, depending on what you're going for. This is also more of a personal taste thing, but I think it'd be better if the lens color was uniform.

It's a solid enough scheme, just a bit plain. Consider some markings on the kneepads to offer a bit more color.

>>53901277
>not being in the mines to keep up appearances of loyalty to the Imperials
It's like you want us to be found out, brother.

>>53901269

Aggressors aren't devastators they're centurions/terminators. Hellblasters would be more devastator like if they weren't a special weapons squad/command squad. The Primaris devastator equivalent needs to be wearing mk x primaris armor.

>>53901293
>tfw give 0 shits about Your Dudes autism so i get to field all the awesome special characters
And I have Cawl too because I got the Triumvirate for Greyfax. AdMech army here I come!

>there are people who play power level games 'competitively'

for what purpose? just to curb stomp kids getting into the game with their starter kits?

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Here is the epub for the short story "Left for Dead"

>Bred for war, a Death Korps trooper takes the unthinkable step of embracing peace. But in the 41st Millennium, war follows…
https://mega.nz/#!3EJjiLSa!aAVARAhw8CoBdMhvnifq_9aBrdGVcWXhC-NhGp9jdfQ

>>53901315
>faggot ass deathstar WAACfags killed homebrew and diversity

I can believe this. Good fucking job assholes.

>>53901227
Nice scheme. Looks good for something in military drab rather than heraldic colors. You planning on getting FW Red Scorpions shoulderpads?

>>53901227

I like how their Chapter symbol is literally an inverted color Red Scorpion badge.

>>53901326
Fair point, brother, my apologies.

Still not posting anything here though. It always starts a shitstorm.

>>53901283
Rhinos are squishy but Crusaders are squishier, so use them.

Priests are good.

DCA and arco-flagellants are okay but got nerfed a bit since 7e.

Basically, bumrush up the field with your melee dudes in tanks. Have your Inquisitor run whatever Ordo against your opponent, then have plasma acolytes running around with him shooting shit.

You're probably gonna want SOME Guard or Sisters as backup. Acolytes sadly can't be the super cheap bolter boys they once were.

>>53901347

Fuck, son, calm down. You'll get them back when they release Codex SM.

Holy shit Plasma Cannons are fucking useless. Not even a wound but outright slain? Why would you EVER fire it supercharged unless you were going to die anyway?

>>53901347
It's not that big of a deal. I can just say that my homebrew chapter uses Imperial Fist rules or whatever.

>>53901365
Right, so what detachment should I use? Patrol?

>>53901293
>Not using Cawl's model and rules, but naming your guy something else and painting him however the fuck the rest of Your Dudes are painted
Bonus points if you convert a dreadnought-sized techpriest that fits with Your Dudes and use Cawl's rules to represent them.
That goes for literally any other army where the special character is what you want but you have your own OC Chapter/Regiment/Craftworld/Legion/whatever the fuck.

Haven't gotten the Space marine index yet but having looked at the roster builder it doesn't show Cataphracti Terminators having the option for an ass cannon but FW made them and that is what I have so do I just take them as standard Termies that can get an Ass Cannon?

>>53901127
Why live

>>53901347
What's a WAACfag?

>>53901393

When you really want to put the hurt on something in a pinch? I presume Tau Ion Rifles are much the same.

>>53901393
Re-Rolls or desperation.

>>53901352
Meh, the crimson fists are just the imperial fist in red.

>>53901393
Rerolling 1 buffs.

Plasma cannons got huge buffs you faggot. Getting more than 1 hit ever and not overheating on the regular setting.

>>53901393
It's still good without overcharging it.

>>53901412

Win At All Costs players of a homosexual nature

>>53901393
Stand next to an HQ.

>>53901412
Win At All Cost

>>53901416

Blue, you mean. With one red gauntlet.

>>53901106
Lengthen the bottom barrel, add an extra magazine extending from the side, give it a bayonet.

>>53901227
Look like shit. Literally.

>>53901412

A miserable pile of secrets.

>>53901158
6 trillion/10

>>53901274
The biggest question now though is how long are the codex releases going to take. I expect marines and either csm or at least death guard soon but I hope GW doesn't do a slow "release one or two every other month".

>>53901412
a scapegoat for /tg/'s angst

>>53901402
>Homebrew characters
I like it but I can already see the tourney sperg tears. Good thing I only play with the lads.

>>53901421
Man, what were they thinking with all this random shit for templates now though?

3+D3 for large and 1+D2 for small would've been a lot better.

And plasma should've gotten large. They're too unreliable to bother with.

>>53901393
No hero ever saved the Imperium by being a fucking pussy.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13236516

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>>53901416
No, he means it's LITERALLY just inverted.

>>53901367
>FUCKING FENRISIAN WOLVES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53901471
3+d3 would've made large blasts stupid accurate. If BC had 3+d3 shots they'd be brutal to everything in the game.

>>53901269
What about Termies and apothecaries?

>>53901491
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13236516
>lumping in Orks and Tyranids with Reddit
Literally what the fuck are you doing nigger

>>53901508
sorry meant 2+d3. Less high end but more reliable.

>>53901455

Wasn't 8e's official release two days ago? Just wait a couple weeks or so, we're bound to get some news. At most, we're probably on the outside of a couple months for new Codices, but rumors that have been floating around have been saying maybe one month on the outside since they'll want some shiny new SM and CSM Codices to pair well with the release of Dark Imperium.

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>>53901471
Plasma is great if you provide it a re-roll. And those aren't too hard to come by.

>>53901491

>No guard or admech options
Gee I'm activating my noggin

>>53901511
The Primaris don't really have Terminators. At least not yet. Guys are Gravis armour are their closest equivalent.

For apothecary, see >>53901314

>>53901552
The only real annoying guardfag posting is the fucking tank shitflings.

Ad mech aren't too bad as of now but they're working their way up the list of annoying shitposters all right.

>>53901570
What did Ad mech do?

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>>53901267
>>53901290
Thanks.
>>53901285
>>53901349
Ya, they're void Scorpions because I want to use FW stuff, but also wanted them to be very space-based (all about ship boarding action, Chapter Master is an expert fleet strategist, etc...).
>>53901324
>This is also more of a personal taste thing, but I think it'd be better if the lens color was uniform.
I was just copying the Primaris example in the Dark Imperium book, for some reason Ultramarines give sergeants a different lens color. Figured I'd try it.
I'll definitely consider adding some markings later, I'm not too confident in my mspaint skills though.
>>53901352
Good eye, I was just messing around with the Red Scorpions symbol (I was going to reuse it somehow so I could use the FW stuff), and I really liked the blue color when I inverted it. Decided to integrate it into the scheme.

>>53901578
All the binary spam and all the PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH CAWL IS A HERETEK stuff

Planning on taking a pretty long flight in the near future. Anyone have advice for transporting a 2k army with 2 predators and a storm-raven?

Just recently got into the hobby and am looking at hard cases and foam but I don't know what companies are shit or if I can get general purpose, non-hobby hard plastic cases for much cheaper.

Is Battlefoam reputable? I am assuming Citadel fucks you by default.

>>53901283
Arcos with a Priest are good anti horde due to how many attacks they get. Death cults with a Priest melt like everything. Crusaders are nice and tanks and get to fight twice. I would do 2 squads of 9 of any of the 3 types with a Priest in a rhino. Rest acolytes with various guns in taurox Primes.

>>53901601
Citadel cases are good tbqh familia

>>53901136
They keep old discipline only. Revenant is for Yncarne and Yvraine only.

>>53901601
I read that firearm cases are a good way

>>53901587
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>>53901601
Empty the gear out of a foam filled pelican case. Make sure some else is signed for the gear.
Cut holes for your models.
Jobs a good one boss.

>>53901185
>>53901186
Where do you get the pdf of the faq?

>>53901663
>i don't know how to read the OP: the post

>>53901663
From the community site, the same place you get all information anymore.
https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/40kBattlePrimer_ENG.jpg

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>>53901491
Spotted him

>>53901689
>mfw I turned off duplication checking just so that I could make that vote and them spam votes in other sections
Glad someone noticed it kek

>>53901679
I was referring to the official source, but>>53901681 answered it.

I guess I missed it because it never said FAQ

>>53901601
Battle Foam, Army Transport and Citadel are all fine.

Someone give me an army to do and I'll make a 1000pts list for it. Birthday soon and I want to try some unique armies.

>>53901749
Death Korps

Anyone got rules for the Thunderhawk or Tarantula?

>no more wutangclan

shit, I guess I won't be able to get magnus in my preheresy army then.

>>53901749
Rough Rider horde.

>>53901749
Legion of the Damned

>>53901491
Where the hell are the space yiffs?

>>53901765
I would but fuck that will cost me my arms and my legs

>>53901789
In the "literally who cares" section

>>53901749
Sisters of Battle

>>53901749
Guard-style Tau. Just foot troops and tanks.

so as far as i understand it i can only run units from the talons of the emperor as a auxiliary support detachment, can someone explain how i run these guys without Losing CP

>>53901814
Cool idea. Lemme get a list

>>53901817
You can run them in any imperium detachment.

>>53901776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boCpQ4jx44k
>no more wutanging it

>>53901817
Make a detachment with the "Imperium" keyword. Inquisitiors make good reasonably fluffy HQs for them.

>>53901834
Did they ever find out where 7-11 is? Coming from the north and living in the south, I would like to know too. I miss those sinfully good cheese and grease food products.

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>>53901814
Thoughts?

>>53901749
Do Hoard Conscripts or Boyz because shits and giggles and unkillable.

>>53901107
GSCB#4192 on discord

>>53901854
Insanely homosexual.

>>53901854
Too many battlesuits.

>>53901854
Not enough battlesuits.

>>53901855
Alright... I'll take your challenge

>>53901854
Way too many suits.

>>53901854
Way too little non suits. You ideally want to stuff as many commanders in as you can.

>>53901190
looking good. only thing is you're going to get schooled with artillery. so, hopefull the list builder adds big guns or we're screwed

>>53901854
>suits
What's the point then? To makethe theme wants footslogging Tau, Hammerheads, and maybe some kroot skirmishers. Ethereal HQ.

>>53901845
Probably still looking to this day dude

>>53901882
I was planning on adding lootas for a 1500 point list but they aren't in the list builder yet

1999 points

Battalion detachment
Vaylund Cal (200)
Chaplain (72)

Tactical squad with combi-flamer, plasma, plasma cannon (175)
Tactical squad with combi-flamer, plasma, plasma cannon (175)
Scout squad with sniper rifles and camo (90)

Contemptor dreadnought with multimelta (167)

Land raider crusader with hunter-killer missile, multimelta, storm bolter (322)

5 cataphractii terminators (Combi + sword, chainfist + heavy flamer, combi + chainfist, combi + power fist, LC+LC) (254)

Apothecary (55)

Relic sicaran venator with 3 heavy bolters, storm bolter, and hunter-killer missile (283)


Outrider detachment:

Primaris Lt with bolt rifle (74)

Tarantula with twin heavy bolter (27)

Tarantula with twin assault cannon (45)

Tarantula with twin lascannon (60)


I could get another CP by turning the sicaran venator into a deimos predator with plasma destroyer and 2 lascannons + another primaris LT or a techmarine or some other cheap HQ.


Any thoughts on this?

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>>53901884
Re-worked. I might consider doing this.

>>53901923
Not enough Battlesuits

>>53901814
This WAS a legit List before they killed the ethereal passive. It used to work like so, you run a cadre fireblade and an ethereal, and Loads of Fire warrior. The fireblade gave every Fire warrior +1 Shot when they fired, and the etherial let you fire your Pulse Weapons twice, essentally turning a 12 man squad of fire warriors into 48 str 5 shots at 30 inches, and at 15 inches, 72 shots, that you can overwatch, and with each squad being able to coverfire each other in overwatch, it made for some strong shooting phases with relatively Little difficulty.
BUT since they removed the doubled fire ability from ethereals you essentially halved your infantry fire power, AND since they changed how saves and armor works, pulse rifles no longer ignore low armor enemies, like orcs or guard saves, reducing their effectivity.overall i'm upset with the changes, however suits seem fun now.

>>53901854
Cadre fireblade my man.

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>>53901923
Re-re-worked because I'm a retard and didn't fulfill the Battalion requirements properly. Reckon this will actually perform well on the field?

>>53901923
>>53901953
Still really fucking gay

>>53901939
So how is farsight now anyway? I might build a farsight gundam army maybe

>>53901959
Why is that?

>>53901346
My nigga

>>53901967
>(((T'a'u Em"""pi're)))

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How does this look fellas?

>>53901935
>>53901881
>>53901870
Fucking faggot

>>53901967

Being memed son

>>53901961

No Enclaves rules so, meh

>>53901902

>standard marines get to party with all their buddies and their relic tank
>they give the only Primaris marine guard duty over the automated guns

Why is this list so sad?

>>53901967
Because Tau

>>53901445
But enough talk... Have at you

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>>53901953
Here's my more tank-centric version.

Slapping the two together and dropping a redundant Ethereal and Fireblade to fit a bit more infantry seems like a fun 2k list.

>>53901983
Hmm... nice bike

>>53901992
faggots!

But correct faggots. Battlesuits are where it's at for tau now. their non battlesuit troops suck.

>>53902007
Do you think primaris marines deserve any better than that?

He should be glad he's allowed to be there instead of a techmarine. I've got the extra point I'd need to bring one.

>>53901749
All foot Deldar, particularly Wyches and Kabalites in large hordes. Avoid the usual takes like Reavers and Scourges.

Is the guy who made that list builder website butthurt about Necrons or something? The fuck is taking so long? I'd even donate.

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Always buy the insurance when shipping on ebay boyz

its tempting to save those few dollars, but boy the one time you dont buy insurance, you sure get fucked over

>>53902053
He's doing it in his spare time, and there are a lot of options to configure for most factions.

>>53902026
I'd heavily recommend a Pulse accelerator drone for that Pathfinder team if you can squeeze out the points. It'll be another nice force multiplier to go along with the Fireblade and Ethereal.

>>53902044

Model him subtly like Garrus and I'll give it a pass. Then you can leave him to his calibrations.

>>53902068

I guess he could shrink troop size a little, drop a few kroot

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should I just sell off my Mega dread, seeing as it doesnt have rules anymore?

>>53902106
Sell off your reddit meme army you faggot

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Lads, please help.
Can't get the roster builder to work on firefox or chrome. Messed with extensions and script blockers but drop-down just gives an empty box every time.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/727559.page

GW Quality showing once again

>>53902120
>firefox

Theres your problem.

>>53902120
It's wonky as shit with what browsers it wants to work on with different computers. Try waterfox maybe?

>>53902120
Works fine for me with chrome using ScriptSafe and ublock. Does it work in an incognito window?

>>53902081
But yeah I thought the lt's gun was AP-1 like other primaris. Rerolling 1s to wound is nice, but I might just replace him with a techmarine with a conversion beamer, drop a hunter killer and storm bolter from the tanks to squeeze it in. There's 6 things in the list that can be repaired, and Vaylund isn't going to be spending a lot of time doing that likely.

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>>53901074
Building a list against expected Harlequins. How does it look?

>>53901393
When you just NEED to deal 2 wounds (finishing off a tank/character) or just *need* S8 (4+ versus a really tough tank that needs to go down NOW).

i.e. it's situational flexibility.

>>53902106
what do you want for it? I'll buy it

Sorry to ask but are there any digital epubs out or are they all still just photos/scans?

>>53902106
Just use it as a Meka Dread.

>>53902213
Yes, check the bloody mega links in the OP. PDFs in there

>>53901393
It's the second cheapest heavy weapon behind only the heavy bolter, and d3 S7 Ap-3 shots is still good. And if you stand next to anyone that gives rerolls it's fine. And I've definitely done shit like overcharging all my plasma to overwatch a carnifex or trygon or something.

>>53902120
work fine on firefox, disable everything and try again.

>>53902147
Same issue incognito and in a firefox private window.

>>53902137
Just installed Waterfox and it's working now, despite not working on a previous computer running Waterfox. Very odd.
Thanks, anons.

>>53902208
I just listed it on ebay, any reasonable offer will be considered

99-Captain-Thunder Hammer
96-Chaplain-Jump Pack, Crozius, Plasma Pistol
109-Librarian-Force Axe

95-Sternguard
95-Sternguard
137-Vanguard-Relic Blade, Storm Shield, Meltabombs, 4x Power Swords

176-10xSpace Marine Tactical Squad, Lascannon, meltagun, Power Sword
176-10xSpace Marine Tactical Squad, Lascannon, meltagun, Power Sword
176-10xSpace Marine Tactical Squad, Lascannon, meltagun, Power Sword
172-10xSpace Marine Tactical Squad, Missile Launcher, Plasmagun, Power Sword
172-10xSpace Marine Tactical Squad, Missile Launcher, Plasmagun, Power Sword
172-10xSpace Marine Tactical Squad, Missile Launcher, Plasmagun, Power Sword

89-Assault Marines-Jump Packs, Combat Shield, Power Axe
89-Assault Marines-Jump Packs, Combat Shield, Power Axe
89-Assault Marines-Jump Packs, Combat Shield, Power Axe
89-Assault Marines-Jump Packs, Combat Shield, Power Axe

126-Devestator Squad-two Grav-Cannons, Armorium Cherub
120-Devestator Squad-two Lascannons, Armorium Cherub
110-Devestator Squad-Four Heavy Bolters
110-Devestator Squad-Four Heavy Bolters

Face my Battle Company nerds

>>53902277
How many points even is it?

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So I took your advice and gave him a bayonet and another magazine.
I also decided to give him a different hand, and make his gun the choppa. I kinda want it to look like he's signalling the boyz to frag em.
Unfortunately, the inside of that hand is entirely flat, so I want to put something inside. Ideas? I was thinking maybe a space marine helmet or an ork skull.

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Want to start this game with the mechanicus (I'm a mechanical Engineering student... only seems right). What do I need to buy to get a decent starting list?

Also, what's the difference between skitarii and the cult mechanicus?

is it worth having a barebones captain follow around other squads for those rerolls? Like i'd have a combat captain deepstrike with termis and the barebones guy would sit next to devastators or hellblasters etc.

>>53902307
2500

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>>53902313
and another shot

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Looking for Comments/Criticism on this 1k Ynnari list.

Going for a hyper competitive list.

>>53902194
As a Harlequin player I can tell that one of two things will happen here.

Either you will get DEMOLISHED, or you will do the demolishing. And this comes down entirely to whether or not your opponent brings Fusion pistols. Here's why:

You will not easily shoot his transports to death. If he has pistols he'll zip up to 3" away from your landraider and blap it with like 3-6 melta pistols then charge it (if it survives) with his transport to turn off your lascannons. He will easily win a combat against any of your units with a single Troupe + Troupe Master as long as he gets the charge off, so if you pile out to punch his transport then you're ensuring your own death.

If he doesn't do that, then he has no way to crack the landraider and will be forced to lock it in combat with a transport for the whole game. If you can catch him in the open (if he gets out or you break the starweaver) then your bolter volume of fire will kill his dudes easy. And if you can charge him you can kill enough to reduce his melee power.

Your footslogging berserkers will die to shuriken cannons turn 1-2 or so because he has no other target for them.

Basically, if he catches you in the open by popping your vehicles with melta, you lose.

If you pop his vehicles and catch him in the open, he loses.

Good luck! Harlies are fun because every game is like this. Kill or be killed.

>>53902320
Fortunately, the Start Collecting box is actually extremely good right now, especially because it has some crazy good savings in it.

Skitarii are the cyborg legions that serve as the soldiers of the Cult Mechanicus, whereas the Cult Mechanicus contains the Priests whom serve as their commanders of lords of technology and science in the Imperium.

>>53902320
They used to be two separate armies, now there is no difference. The Start Collecting! Skitarii box is a good starting point.

>>53902324
Cool.

For that I could get two battallion detachments of 2 broodlords and 60 genestealers each, and still have about 500 points left over for stuff like trygon primes, carnifexes, hive tyrants, or maybe just a pair of exocrines.

>>53902349
Berserkers are going to hitch a ride in the Land Raider, actually.

>>53902320

Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus were released separately, rather than as a unified faction, so they have different keywords legacied in.

In 8e, it looks like they can be fielded as one, with everything adopting the Canticles of the Omnissiah rules for the army, and everything can be fielded together in a single detachment without any formation shenanigans.

The Start Collecting box is very solid, with a good HQ, good troops, and a good tank to form a solid core of your army to build off of. After that, some more troops and anything else to fill in the rest, be it another tank, a few dragoons, or some Cult Mechanicus weirdos.

>>53902354
>>53902353
Ok. Definitely on my radar now. Should I build the rangers or the vanguard?

>>53902384
Vanguard, in my opinion. They're cooler.

That and they are probably still better than rangers.

>>53902384
They both have their place. You're better off building mostly Vanguard as they put out more firepower with a squad or two of rangers to support them with their longer range.

>>53902376
Ah, I should have figured that out. Then it's about 2 turns to gat your tacticals. He can easily have 6 shuriken cannons at 1k points, if not more. They're useless against your tanks.

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>>53902068
>>53902026
>>53901953
Different anon, here's what I made out of the lists.

This kind of makes me want to play no-suit T'au. It even looks pretty viable with that much infantry.

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So if I drop a Scion Command Squad and a Tempestor behind them, order them, fire all my Plasma and then charge with the Tempestor, they can't over watch the Tempester?

>>53902384

Vanguard are the superior, but are a little close ranged. Rangers have range but less power.

Generally, have more Vanguard than Rangers, and give your Vanguard Plasma Calivers (in part because the range is the same and it fires the same number of shots, making the math easy) and give your Rangers some Transuranic Arquebuses so they can snipe from afar with some ranged babysitters.

Vanguard are for up close and personal, and so should make up the bulk of your fighting troops because they can be a bigger threat in the thick of it.

>>53902436
Plasma calivers don't fire 3 shots anymore.

Whats the best dread loadout this time around?

>>53902436
The radium carbines fire 3 shots, the plasma caliver fires 2.

>>53902415
That's the idea, yes. CSM have no hope of outspeeding him so my plan is to weather the initial shots inside my tanks then bring the Terminators in to punch out his primary transport.

why do sternguard combi-weapons not get the -2 ap on the bolter part? Surely they would use the same base for the boltgun

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>>53902446
>>53902455

Well, that is more balanced, but I'm still kind of sad about it.

I just wanted to tell that guy from the last thread that I prefer Necrons over AdMech. Both are cool, but I love how much you can play with "Egyptian Skeleton Robots from Space" instead of "Guys who are Really into Machines".

How should I equip my Helbrute? Anti infantry with like Twin HBolter and Power Scourge, anti vehicle with multi melta or twin lascannon and either missile launcher or fist or hammer, or melee with fist and scourge? Or something else?

Hey lads. I hate to be spoonfed Information, but I really need advice.

I have a pretty rough CSM army, consistent of the Chaos side of the Dark Vengeance box set, a Start Collecting CSM set, a pack of bikers, a rhino, and some Chaos Cultists.

How can I improve this? Im leaning towardz a heldrake and a bunch of terms for my next big purchase, but I really dont know. What is CSM even good at?

>>53902307
Brigade Detachment: 1251pts
HQ: 3x Company commander 90pts
Elites: 3x Astropath 45pts
Troops: 6x 50 conscripts 900pts
HS: 3x Mortar HWS 81pts
FA: 3x Sentinel w multilaser 135pts

Brigade Detachment: 1251pts
HQ: 3x Comissar 90pts
Elites: 3x Astropath 45pts
Troops: 6x 50 conscripts 900pts
HS: 3x Mortar HWS 81pts
FA: 3x Sentinel w multilaser 135pts

2502 pts (can drop a single conscript to be 2499). 21 cp.

>>53902458
The problem is that if he has melta pistols then turn 1 he'll be fairly close to your LR due to his 22" advance distance. He only needs to survive 1 turn of lascannons (he will, with a -1 to hit and 4++). Turn 2 he moves 16" closer and is now 3-6" away from your LR and fires all his melta pistols at you and very possibly blasts your LR apart. If he doesn't, then the transport charges and you have no more lascannons.

So then you get out, willingly or not, and charge a 100 point starweaver. Woohoo! You probably kill it, but it is T5 6W 4++ so maybe not. Either way, you are now in the open in front of 5 Harlequins and 1 Troupe Master who just disembarked. Termies, Berserkers, CSMs, doesn't matter. You're dead.

Basically, ask him which guys have fusion pistols and which transport they're in. If he says "none" then your plan will work. If he says "this one," then you fire everything at it and do whatever you can to keep that transport from reaching point blank range on your land raider.

If he has a shadowseer then theoretically he could just double move the transport into your face turn 1, but that can be somewhat mitigated by deploying further back.

>>53901346
Holy shit. I never knew Steve Lyons has written another Krieg book. Dead Men Walking is among the best BL books.

When was this one published? Is it on BL now? I'll buy it, don't want to take a way royalties from a well deservibg author.

Thanks in any case.

>>53901983
illegal, only 4 chosen can replace weapons, reads ur rules son

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How do I flesh this out to 1000pts, before I drop the money on something like Gangs of Commoragh?
There's another archon from the 2 SC! boxes, but I feel I'd have to drop too many special weapons to make him worth including.

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>>53901074
>more shittily formatted epubs edition
For fuck's sake can someone with a brain either provide properly formatted epubs or better yet pdfs?

>>53902458
>>53902515
Bad news friendo (same guy).

Just built the list. He can totally have 3 clown cars filled with 6 melta pistols each. If he does that, you're gonna have a bad time.

Hope he footslogs, or doesn't realize how good Starweavers are as a melta delivery mechanism.

So are Flamestorm Baal Preds just complete shit?

>>53902567
I like them, helped me thin out the dreaded genestealer hordes of neophytes and acolytes.

2 of them supported by death company with jump packs and fire support from lascannon dev squads won me a 2k point game on launch

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Here's how it's going down, bros

3 more Primarchs are returning to aid Guilliman in bringing back a new, stable age of the Imperium. Roboute will take a backseat after the Indomitus Crusade to rule the imperium, while the Lion (with the ocassional aid of Russ) does the bulk of vs. Chaos fighting.

Russ will mostly be there to keep the Imperium from fracturing directly while Guilliman is being a statesman, and will come to blows with several chapters, one infamously known as Marines Malevolent.

Jaghatai will feature in various battles against the Xenos. Tau incursions, Necrons, and another large hive fleet will be his challenges.

>>53902515
Do you have any suggestions to counter melta pistols in a Starweaver?

Any thoughts on the infernus pattern predator deimos?

184 points for 2 heavy flamers and an infernus cannon, which is essentially a 2d6 heavy flamer that does 2 damage a hit.

>>53902326
Clean the mold lines and sprue tabs before assembling. Also
the Nob in the boys box is pretty shitty, use the real Nob kit.

Anyone know if the primaris kits will have multiple weapon options? I'm assuming no since it would invalidate the index right off the bat, but I'm hoping hellblaster will have more weapons.

In the meantime I plan on running 2 squads of 4 HB devastators to thin out hordes, I this a good idea or would I be better off taking another weapon option?

>>53902531
Nice try Steve.

>>53902561
ePubs work fine on my iPad. You just be a dumb PDFag

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Another Anon doing Imperial Guard tau. I have 2 devilfish, each with a fireblade commander, a minimum pathfinder squad with 3 rail rifles, a pulse accellerator drone, and a recon drone, and a 5 man striker squad with a missile turret. Backing this up is a rail rifle longstrike bubble wrapped with Kroot and hounds.

The idea is that the pulse accel drone increases the rapid fire range to 18", so each warrior gets 3 shots at that distance. The two drones on the devilfish provide additional dakka + some protection. Pathfinders with rail rifles and recon drones take out the hard targets. There's seekers and enough markerlights to launch them properly. You use your command point rerolls to make certain longstrike hits.

It's a little barebones, but that's a hundred point list for you.

>>53902613
Anon, the indices will be invalidated right off the bat. Marines and death guard/chaos will probably have a codex by the time of the summer campaign

>>53902218
Thanks anon. Clicked the first one and it was scans. Should've dug deeper

>>53902596
I find this... surprisingly believable.

Khan would be the right Primarch to bring back when they start adding all the new Primaris Bike/Landspeeder replacements. I would have expected Dorn, though.

Lion is a shoe-in for the next to return.

Russ is almost guaranteed since unlike Sang he's not super dead.

Do you have a source for this, is it speculation, or what? The sad thing is this is probably fake but still a better idea than whatever GW will actually start doing.

>>53902561
Guess what shit for brains, the first Mega link has PDFs

>>53902564
Should I just spam Havocs and Lascannon Predators then?

>>53902603
If he has one transport full of them then you can deal. Focus fire it with everything as it approaches and you'll probably break it. Especially if you can get your smite off (key b/c no invul/hit mods). Don't deploy on the starting line like an idiot.

If he has three of them, then you just need to be ready to lose a land raider.

Not saying it's an impossible matchup, but I'm trying to assume that your opponent is maximally competent. Obviously that may not be the case. Lots of people are still figuring these things out.

>>53902613
Yes they will, and yes the indexes will be invalidated right away, they don't give a fuck.

Hellblasters probably won't have another option though, they're dual-kits for the Intercessors.

>>53902561
https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw

>>53902610
>Clean the mold lines and sprue tabs before assembling
Well I would have done that.
...had I know about that 7 years ago. I assembled this guy way back when.
>the Nob in the boys box is pretty shitty, use the real Nob kit.
I agree, but I'm working with what I got.

>>53902663
Yes, those would do great actually. If you're purely building to counter him then a Predator would be just the thing. Autocannon as the main gun and either HBs or LC sponsons (HBs will help more against the infantry once he's out). Havocs could have trouble if he focuses the shuriken cannons on them.

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OI! 'OWZ DIS 'ERE LIST LOOKIN'? ROIGHT PROPPA, OR WEEDY?

ONLY CHANGE I'M FINKIN' UV ROIGHT NOW IS SPLITTIN' DA NOBZ INTO 2 UNITS O' 5 INSTEAD OF 1 O' 10.

>>53902218
>>53902561

Yeah none of the Rules and Such links or Leaks links have the PDF's.
Maybe the link is stuck on a dead thread?

>>53902666
I'm serious, the reason I brought lots of tanks was to endure massed firepower. If he can field so much of it so quickly would I not be better off just deploying the maximum number of Havocs and Bolter CSM? It seems like mass rather than concentrated firepower would be more effective.

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Rate my nonsense Aeldari list, I wanna get into melee!

>>53902736
Yes, massed firepower is exactly how you counter Harlies. Lots of infantry and autocannons (especially with flamers in the infantry squads) will ruin his day. Just be sure to spread out a bit so he can't lock up multiple units.

>>53902641

Neat
Dunno how good drone turrets are

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>>53902784
How does this look?

>>53902725
Are you fucking blind?

https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw
and click 8th edition

>>53901094
Blud axez

>>53902800
Flamers on the infantry over lascannons DESU. It's the infantry you need to be afraid of. I also would consider a Sorcerer since Smite cuts right through 4++ saves. Though I don't know what fancy buff the Lord gives you so maybe that's bad advice.

Consider a few ablative wounds for the Havocs so that you don't lose heavy weapons to stray Shuriken cannon shots.

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the Primaris lists Seem so expensive, how do they fair on the table top?

>>53902830
Lord allows units within 6" to reroll 1's to hit, it's pretty powerful in a massed gunline. Having him standing amidst a blob of Havocs and CSM results in pain.

>>53902800
I don't know enough about traitors but you are gonna be slogging a long way to get to objectives and assault armies are gonna rip you to pieces. You really need some armor to get where you need or maybe some deepstrike.

A mob of boyz is gonna turn you to mulch without much effort too. Remember damage doesn't carry over between models so 1dmg and 6 dmg are meaningless to 1w units.

>>53902610
It's good for kitbashing bikers.

>>53901106
Drill the barrels

Make the barrels longer, add shrouds to the extended barrels

Add more sights

Add more magazines, one to each side and one sticking out the bottom of the current one.

When you paint it make it a gaudy gold.

btw, clean mold lines before you assemble, it makes life way easier

>>53902847
Primaris should be fine for fighting other space marines and chaos space marines.

They will be complete trash against any army with, say, more than 60 infantry models. They just don't have volume of fire. The best they can do is 18 half-range heavy bolter shots from inceptors for over 200 points.


Also don't give your custodians spears, give them shields. Without shields they will be eaten fucking alive by things like genestealers.

>>53902855
This is specifically an anti-Harlequin list, not an all-comers.

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Aight, so clarify this for me, because I'm still a bit confused.

8th ED Wraithknight

He's equipped with dual Wraithcannons, and two Starcannons.

Shooting phase, he can fire all his weapons? So shoots both Wraithcannons, then both Starcannons?

Assault phase, the unit he shot at is somehow still alive and he charges it/makes it in.

He now has 12 attacks from Titanic Feet.

Wraithbone hands are a melee option you can choose, but totally ignore.

Is this all correct, or am I misunderstanding shit?

>>53902847
Like all multiwound models without invuln or mega toughness...terrible.

You pay through the nose for those extra wounds, (believe it or not) lose out on firepower compared to tacticals and basically every special weapon in the game does 2+ dmg so you die just as fast as marines (even faster because armor isn't binary and AP4 weapons actually fuck you now)

>>53902830
How's this one? I sprung for Terminator armor on the boss to improve his survivability and enable him to rapidly deploy anywhere I need him along the gunline.

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>>53902908
Forgot the image derp.

>>53902867
For real. Intercessors for example will be lucky if they make their points back over the course of a game if shooting at termagants. That would be 5 dead termagants, which would take 12 shots from their bolt rifles to accomplish.

>>53902867
points are already at max but ill see what i can cut.

>>53902925
For starters, ancients aren't very good unless they're the blood angel or dark angel ancients. +1 LD and getting to make a swing or a shot when they die sometimes is garbage. Drop that guy.

>>53902917
Yeah I like the look of something like that. Your primary concern then is just making sure that you don't get all your infantry locked up in combat at once. Just be sure to stagger yourself back a bit from your deployment line and confirm with him what his maximum threat ranges are before you end your 1st or 2nd turn movement phase (the one before he gets out to charge).

Kans with Rokkits, KMB, or Grotzookas?

>>53902902
All correct

>>53902902
Starcannons are Heavy. You cannot charge in the same turn you fire a Heavy weapon. Aside from that, sound right.

>>53902974
have you read 8th or are you just a fucking retard

>>53902951
For that matter, you've got deathwing knights but not a deathwing ancient. Half the reason to take deathwing is because of the ancient giving +1 attacks. I don't give a shit what you drop to do it, but you need to find the 40 or so points to replace your primaris ancient with the deathwing one.

>>53902974
Where does it say that?

>>53902990
>>53902998
Apparently I'm a fucking retard. Don't mind me.

>>53902957
You think a dual-lascannon, power scourge Hellbrute taking the place of a Havoc Squad would be wise?

>>53902974
>You cannot charge in the same turn you fire a Heavy weapon.
So, this thing happened, where GW updated the game. There's actually a new edition out. I know this might be shocking to you, but some of the rules have changed slightly. But don't worry, the new rules are only 8 pages long! I know you must not have heard about this yet, because if you did, you would have already read these rules back to front and memorized them, because they're only 8 fucking pages long, and if you didn't do that already you would be some kind of complete fucking faggot.

But I know that's not you, anon.

>>53902974
Any of your units within 12" of the enemy in your Charge
phase can make a charge move. You may not choose a
unit that Advanced or Fell Back this turn, nor one that
started the Charge phase within 1" of an enemy.

No mention of heavy weapons at all

>>53903025
>>53903027
See>>53903008
Legitimate mistake on my part.

>>53901276

It's not to stop you from playing your own unique successor chapter. It's to stop you from having a dozen special characters and unique units from different chapters all providing and benefiting from each other's bonuses. Use the chapter keyword that fits your custom chapter the best.

>>53903038
It's okay I forgive you. I'm sort of using you as a proxy to make fun of the constant posts we get from all different people who apparently haven't read the rulebook, so at least you aren't alone in being retarded.

>>53902546
Can I take two groups of 5 chosen and have both units in a single rhino?

>>53903088
Yes

But also

Read the rules

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Question about rapid fire and large units shooting.
If I have, say, 60 Conscripts and 10 are in "Rapid Fire" Range, do all 60 get to shoot?
And can all 60 fire if some of the blob are out of range if all the models are firing at the same target?

>>53903047

"But I play the Novamarines, not the Ultramarines!"

GW honestly should have said to use the keyword of your Primarch's founding legion, not inserting your own chapter name

>>53903101
You check model by model. Each model within 12" of the enemy shoots 2 shots, each model within 24" shoots one shot, and each model outside 24" cannot shoot.

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>>53902847
So if you're going to insist on using those shitty models, here's what you should do. This list is pretty close to what you have there, with some important additions and subtractions.

>>53903103
I think it's so everything is phrased the same across all factions.

>>53903101
Range is drawn from the firing model, if you have 40 conscripts in range, and 20 out of range then only those 40 get to fire. If half of those firing are within rapid fire range, then you'd have 20 conscripts firing rapid fire, 20 firing normally, and 20 unable to fire.

>>53903013
No, desu. Deny melta targets, flood the board with volume of fire and flamers/autocannons.

>>53903126
What about line of sight?

>>53902637
>apple shitter calling others fags
>>53902661
>>53902675
>>53902725
>>53902810
Mega has since been updated with .pdf's, my thanks. The epubs are still images for ants editions with excess white space

>>53903138
Same story. Models with LoS get to shoot, models without it do not. It's all right there on the page under step 2 Choosing Targets.

>>53903138
Read the page you posted
>In order to target an enemy unit, a model from that unit must be within Range of the weapon being used and be visible to the shooting model.

Range and los are drawn per model.

>>53903125
Maybe in the codexes they'll have a paragraph to say like "if your custom keyword is descended from X chapter" or "is aligned with X kabal, use that keyword instead".

>>53903157
But isn't this unit to unit?
Just to chose targets?
Where does it say that you have to make this check for each model?

>>53903180
It's literally right in the part he greentexted, dude.

>range of the weapon [singular] being used
>visible to the shooting model [singular]

>>53903180
It literally says MODEL in the rules I posted. It would be fucking stupid if you could have just one guy sticking out around the corner and fire a full 50 man blob because he can see the enemy.

Hrud faction when?

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>>53903180
>imperial guard players spending hours and hours working on the wording of the rules just to abuse the fuck out of loopholes and show everyone how desperate and pathetic they are

>>53902847
how the fuck is this SoS lol

>>53903209

Hrud Migration: During deployment, you can set up your entire army in deep space instead of placing it on the battlefield. At the end of any of your Movement phases, set up your army on the other side of the room, and remove all enemy models from the battlefield. You win the game.

So while I was off not playing 40k they added something called the Skitarri?

So... they're basically a variant of cyborg-undead? What do they play like?

Apparently they also added mini-titans to the game... guess Epic 40k isn't a thing anymore? Is the quickest way to 2000 points to just go with a few Knights? Are they even designed to be played by their own, or are they meant to be used with like IG or SM or what have you?

>>53903270
A few Knights will get you to 2000, but they're pretty spendy. Your mileage will vary depending on opponent, but one of the main threats this edition is massed infantry, which Knights can struggle to kill fast enough.

>>53903270
Skitarii are just the foot soldiers of the AdMech. They're not undead, just cyborgs. AdMech in general rely heavily on trying to bring overwhelming firepower to the table and bring either cheap disposable units like skitarii or tougher but expensive and low model count servitors and robots. Also crab tanks and chicken walkers.

>>53903140
They're all still pictures of russian dude with ring.

No scans?

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I've never read the rules for these guys. How's my list?

Anyone else deciding to do some ministorum melee units? Watching bat reps and seeing the units in my own games, they seem really strong. Between them and Bullgryn, they've been smashing and cutting everything up.

I just need bodies and ranged guns form the guard and I'm ready to fuck shit up.

>>53903270
They basically took the smallest units from Apocalypse and rolled them into WH standard.
Knights are a part of that process and are shit.

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>when you realize burnas cost 0 points

>>53902384
Buy 2 boxes + a skitarii box. Have 2 vanguard squads, one with 3 plasma caliver and one with 3 arc rifles. then have 2 5 man ranger squads with a TA each. Gives you 1000pts, 50PL and a battalion detachment. Its what I'm starting my mech off with

>>53903302

I have the epub but no PDF. You should be able to do an epub to PDF conversion online or with a program.

There's also the jpegs and pngs the leaker gave from the epub, that you can turn into a PDF.

>>53903321
>knights are shit

>great looking models
>always strong on the field
>shit

Fuck off grandpa, bet you play marinelets on 25mm bases

>>53903157
my question about LoS is how likely is it that a friendly unit will ever block LoS given that each model in the firing unit only has to be able to see 1 model from the targeted unit.

>>53903338

Everything costs 0 points if you play __skub levels.

>>53903312
Lacking in bodies.

Do you ever play with yourself? Even just to familiarize yourself with new rules?

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5x Plague Marines [2 with plasma gun, champ with power fist & plasma gun]
5x Plague Marines [2 with plasma gun, champ with power fist & plasma gun]
Chaos Rhino

Eat shit, Hellblasters.

>>53903359
It's explicitly stated that models in one's own unit do not block LoS, other units (even your own) do block LoS. So a squad of conscripts can see through their own squad, but they can't see through a Russ sitting in front of them.

>>53903369
Ain't no rules when I play with myself, friend.

>>53903369
>inb4 middle schoolers giggling about le masturbation xd

>>53903357
>Playing Marines
You don't even know what true grandpa is.

But enjoy your Savage Vicious Feral Raging WolfThunderAxeFistBeardRiders

>>53903374
I think I prefer blight launchers. No risk of killing your 40 point plague marine to get the extra damage, and the lower S is made up for by rerolling 1s.

>>53903302
The first link (ending with 2bTw) has perfect format pdf's direct from GW, no scans or bullshit.

>>53903369
I play with myself with my juan diaz daemonettes

>>53903392
i agree, and you get all the benefits of assault 2 instead of rapid fire

>>53903354
I think the complaint is that they're all pictures and none of them are digital originals.

>>53903383
Sure but I guess I mean how would another squad of conscipts block LoS, seems like pretty much only boxy vehicles can block LoS.

>>53903319
Ministorum, Scions, and Grey Knight mix is the master race army anon.

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>>53903404
Welp, goodbye thread

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>>53903053
>Simplify rules to 8 pages
>People still don't read them

>>53903415
why GK?

>>53903416
I have no idea what you're talking about

>>53903413
If you can't see the enemy unit through the other infantry then while looking behind the firing model, then they are blocking LoS.