JumpChain CYOA Thread #1568: Baby Primordial's Edition

>Mentally Ill, Batman TAS

Is "halfway feral" +100, +200, or +300?

>>53897361
>>ChumpChain IRC Chat

Delete and redo, fixing this.

Jumpers!

Have you ever mass empowered people if not entire worlds? Or left behind the means for others to empower themselves?

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I'm trying to figure out how to turn the Worm-In-Waiting into a friend to bring along with me, let me hear some ideas.

>>53897636
Retroactively waifu it.

>>53897668
This.
What was, will be.

>>53897612
>Have you ever mass empowered people if not entire worlds? Or left behind the means for others to empower themselves?

Not unless it's entirely necessary

>>53897636

Get some music perks and then get the Musician top cap stone perk and sing to it

>>53897612
Yes, I forgot I took One in All when I entered A Song of Ice and Fire. It was pretty deep into my chain and I led an army of about 300 men, that I had already personally trained, against the Lannisters. Bit of a bloodbath, that one.

>>53897668
>>53897673
You think they like the flute? Maybe I can beat up that nerd Azathoth and take one of his pipe guys.

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>>53897636
>Have you ever mass empowered people if not entire worlds? Or left behind the means for others to empower themselves?

My last post didn't explain it all in detail. Believe me anon, I tried so hard and we fought and fought sometimes to the last man against those terrorists, We united the planet, got rid of diseases, Stopped wars and a new age was on it's way

>>53897729
>You think they like the flute? Maybe I can beat up that nerd Azathoth and take one of his pipe guys.

Yeah, That music perk affects, Machines, gods and such even if they couldn't feel before they can now

>>53897729
I can see it now...

>Hey Nerd, give me your pipe guys!
>*Distressed Eldritch Screaming*
>Thanks, 'pal'. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a Dimensional Horror to waifu!

>>53897373
Probably +200.

What jumps give libraries that update themselves with new books?

>>53897825
Endless Legend
Teen Titans
DC Occult

>>53897807
Now hold up a minute there, I didn't say anything about waifuing the Worm-in-Waiting. Don't go insinuating that this is anything but purely platonic fascination! I-it's not like I think their time curves are dreamy!

>>53897825
Demolition Man, iirc.
Princess Bride
Hero BCC
Sword and Sorcery, but I could be misremembering.

>>53897636
>turn the Worm-In-Waiting into a friend
That's simple. Finally deliver on the Worm Update.
Wait...
That's the Waiting-for-Worm!
...my bad.

>>53897779

Didn't realize this >>53897779 for you

>>53897612
Often. I like to invent Cultivation techniques and then teach them to people, see what sorts of weird things they wind up doing with their chi.

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Cracker_Jack a question on DC Occult. May I import the talking animal companion from the same jump to offload this remaining 50cp?

>>53898252

FOR REAL THIS TIME >>53897779 FOR >>53897612

>>53898270
What lets you create and teach people stuff like that? Isnt most of it super specific fist magic?

>>53897612
I like to teach cultivation or give people access to my travellers gate plane. They can earn power for themselves there.

>>53898252
>>53898299
There is a delete post option for when you fuck up. Instead of making some multi-tiered quote chain trainwreck of fuckups.

>>53898288
Cracker_Jack is long gone. Guess he finally got tired of the thread's bullshit.

>>53897636
>>53898216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeICC5SFpP0

According to the song, the Worm seems to enjoy Nazis, so perhaps that will attract him?

>>53898311
Nah, Cultivation itself is just expanding your spirit and chi, it can have inherent benefits but the actual abilities are something different. I left my students to invent their own techniques. As for how I'm teaching people, Generic Xianxia has a perk for it, appropriately enough.

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>>53895439
Sir, as a professional technoshaman I must agree to disagree.

Because my DMT research-parties have conclusively proven they're actually hyperdimensional machine elves.

>>53897636
There's a perk from Nanoha that lets you summon friends betwen jumps. Since the "worm" bit is actually a sort of exotic matter construct, it's best to have the summon mods from Bayonetta and FF12: Revenant Wings to avoid the risk of massive reality glitches.

Though personally, I just hooked it up with my civ by mass producing fatima-magical girls and using the monstergirl technology from SS13 to improve innate empathy in the host-species stage of it's relationship.

So it just chills next to the Silicon Life, Electrofisher and Safeguards by subsuming a constituent species, instead of overwriting them directly.

>>53897729
I'm pretty sure Azathoth's pipe bois are the eldritch version of those free verse poetry hipsters people try to ignore on campus, actually.

At least use that pipe or guitar from Infernals if you're trying to serenade that special someone-who-will-be

>>53897612
I manage an elaborate magical girl system, when I need to mobilise a local militia but don't want to act openly.

Broadly speaking, there's two key components. There's the recruitment centers: https://pastebin.com/U3hE0V1v

And there's the "Shards", which only attach to adult graduates of the program: https://pastebin.com/97CY6uKc

>>53898288
>May I import the talking animal companion from the same jump to offload this remaining 50cp?
Just wait for the scenario update. He will also be adding the free 100 CP racial perks and more 50 CP options.

Expect the update 'Real Soon Now'

>>53898375
Not him but damn I missed that perk. I wonder if there are any perks from other jumps that would let me teach cultivation to someone.

>>53898364
>Cracker_Jack is long gone.
>long gone
>>53774447
That post is less than a week old dipshit.

>>53898450
I think assassination classroom has a perk that lets you teach someone pretty much anything. It includes teaching people how to throw fireballs by tossing fireballs at them.

>>53898364
What? Since when?

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What are some good teaching perks, prefferably something that would allow me to teach supernatural skills to other people.

>>53898480
It's a troll.

>>53898545

PS238 has everything you need anon

>>53898567
>using PS238
I bet you also use Vampire Diaries.

>>53898471
>assassination classroom
Yeah, but that requires you to put up with Manyfist's railroading fiat bullshit that fucks with canon for no good reason.

>>53898605
Simple: ignore railroading fiat bullshit if it impacts canon for no good reason.

>>53898582
They're not even remotely the same thing. What's wrong with PS238?

>>53898567
Not from what I have seen? It looks like the most you could teach is wuxia style martial arts at most.

>>53898624
It's been deemed another SB jump just like the Final Fantasies because SJ-Chan was involved.

>>53898624
see
>>53898565

>>53898658

Oh sorry, didn't see the part about supernatural skills

>>53898624
It was made by bancho. It could never be good.

>>53898735
Yeah its ok, though as that other anon said it seems that ass. Class. Will be a decent choice, just cant kill the kids or teachers, thats fine.

>>53897612
I left behind my tattoo gun once when going off planet. I came back to find a wasteland of warped flesh and horror.

I just wanted tattoos that wouldn't fade.

>>53898658
>Not from what I have seen? It looks like the most you could teach is wuxia style martial arts at most.
What perk are you looking at? You seem to be looking at the Martial arts perk and not the teaching perks.

Is there a back to the future jump?

>>53898827
There was, but it was erased from history when an anon took too long to get back to the future.

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>>53898827
Dude I don't know about anyone else but if there was a Back to the Future Jump there would be like 100% more Doc Brown in my chain. Maybe 200 if I could swing it. In my youth that man was my spirit animal.

Also noticed I used an older Mother Jump build last time. This one's Ultimate PSI is Humanity not Hope.

>>53898860
We've lost too many jumps to time shenanigans, but it really cuts down on the weird drama, so I have mixed opinions on the matter.

>>53898827
>Is there a back to the future jump?
Complication where you end up in the wild west and have to get back to the future traveling one second per second, without retgoning the plot point that made you exist and come to the past in the first place.

>>53898896
The more jumpmakers which leave the less drama there will be, that is true.

Who is the comfiest jumper?

>>53898953
Technically accurate, but less than optimal.

>>53898735
>the part about supernatural skills
>>53898786
Um, the teaching Perk isn't Jumper Sensi, it's A+ Work, possibly with a side of Learning from your students for the synergy.

>>53898957
yours

>>53898960
Just take the most prolific jumpmakers and have them permanently assigned to making jumps nonstop

>>53899032
But Valeria is an asshole, and binding her to slave labor would just make her an even more bitter asshole. No one (who is not Val) deserves to experience that much Val.

>>53899032
You do know they need food and housing and stuff, right? I mean, if you can afford even just the security it would take to house Val, more power to you, but I aint covering it.

What three ice age animals would make the coolest hybrid animal a la indominus rex

>>53899105
Woolie Mammoth + Sabertooth Tiger + Basilosaurus.

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>>53899091
Oh! Oh me! I volunteer for Val housing!

>>53899105
Sabtertooth Cat + Giant Ground Sloth + Short Faced Bear.

So you got a giant bear, with huge claws, and giant teeth. Also it has its own chainmail.

>>53898957
My Jumper has a super library and a hobby of collecting/stealing unique books, they otherwise only get involved in adventures against their will.

That's pretty comfy, I think.

>>53899105
Wooly Rhino, Saber-Toothed Tiger, Giant Armadillo.

>>53899094
>You do know they need food and housing and stuff, right
Why? They can pay for their own

>>53898827
>A Sports Almanac from the future that updates in every jump
>Jaws 1 through 19
>A collection of original songs that you heard your future self singing

>>53899202
I'm not sure if we could trust you though. You'd probably distract her from jump making with all that hand holding and hardcore vore

>>53899244
How? If we have them spending all their time making jumps to not only cover their own unusually high production capacity as well as the rest of the jumpmakers work, they won't be able to find a living that can support them.

>>53899289
>Second spoiler
Is that what happened to OldBee?

>>53899202
>I volunteer for Val housing!
So... I'm guessing a 25% chance you have some creepy Val shrine, 25% chance you have a 'guest room' setup underground somewhere where you have stuff like a manacles and chains welded to a bolted bedframe, and concealed entrances.

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>>53899202

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>>53899343
No, that was Decade's fault.

>>53899220
Many, since you are doing updates to your old stuff can you fix this now that there is new information from the Manga? See here >>53898605 for people talking about the sitch

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>>53899289
Anon, anon buddy! That hurts me at my core, man. You honestly think a bit of hand holding would slow down the Jump Making Machine?

>>53899343
We don't talk about what happened to OlBee.

>>53899349
Haha, you're a funny guy anon! That's just, like, absurd or something listed as a synonym for absurd. Someone's been playing "I spy with my little eye" in a place where eyes get plucked.

>>53899333
They should be working double jobs like everyone else on minimum wage in this country.

>>53899333
They can subsist on the salt and concentrated autism.

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>>53899452
>hand holding
Not him but, you would only have 1 hand each to do jumps with so yeah it would slow it down.

>>53899478
I'm sorry, but enslaving the jumpmakers is economically unfeasible and you just have to accept that. We either end up with crappy jumps because the jumpmakers are overworked and don't have time to research properly on top of their sustaining existence, or we start paying them for jumps in real money. If they actually start spending the monopoly money we've been using they'll learn it's not real. If we don't do either production drops with the drop in labor.

>>53899518
Lowering the salt levels is why this conversation is happening in the first place.

>>53899452
Well, maybe not, I suppose.

You didn't deny my second spoiler though.

>>53899598
If they're not working for free then they shouldn't be called jumpmakers. Jumpmakers should be honored that they get to make jumps for us.

>>53899619
Honor doesn't buy the internet connections that keeps the jumps flowing in, Anon.

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>>53899619

>>53899632
That's why they pay for it themselves? Don't you pay for your own internet?

>>53899633
I feel like there should be a video of him being set on fire, considering he is made of straw.

>>53899644
I thought how we covered paying for things as the reason we can't increase their workload, and loss of product as why we can't decrease labor.

>>53899385
Update it how?

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>>53899616
Ah, that, too much hassle correcting what's getting eaten is all.

What is the Beyond in Exalted anyway?

>>53897612
Not yet but I'm going too, I'm probably going to turn a modern world into a superhero setting eventually. I'm just collecting powers for my nanites to recreate in people.

>>53897825
Katawa Shoujo has a Book a Week "item" you can snag too. No library though. You'll have to build your own bookshelves.

>>53899675

Hey you, Tell the other aussie to start working on the australian space bug jump again

>>53899659
So what you're saying is, the jumpmakers should work for free, and we should round up the SBers to help support the jumpmakers.

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>>53899678
Here's the best explainations I've found, from two of the more senior Exalted devs. As far as I know, nothing in the fluff explicitly contradicts eithers.

http://nobilis.me/the-beyond-of-oramus
http://nobilis.me/quotes:the-beyond

Basically, it's sort of like the happy place Genii in Girl Genius go to in order to make weird things happen. Except Exalted being Exalted, much more literal.

>>53898957
I dunno, probably either Nu or Yorokonde?

I'd suggest Konata, but she's more a 50/50 between comfiness and absolute batshit mayham. Old!Red was pretty comfy too IIRC, but new!Red's had a much greater Interesting Times:fashionchain ratio from what I remember.

>>53899675
By the way Nu-when you separate DS1 and DS2 into different jumps, will they come with scenarios like Bloodborne has?

>>53899105
Gastornis+Basilosaurus+Magtheridon: Terror sloth-whale

We must rise up and seize the means of jumpmaking. Jumpmaker revolution!

I know we already have the means. I just want to make a joke

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>>53899781

No can do compadre, I'm as hyped about its completion as the next guy but Val's doing stuff in the order she does stuff.

>>53899910
Mmmm, not sure yet, I don't think I'll add them but I haaaave been getting more ambitious with Jumps as time goes on.

>>53899675
>>53899910
Oh, speaking of! One thing that made me a bit sad in the DS1/2 jump was that you could take all the chaos sisters except Quelaag. It makes me sad to think of breaking them apart just as someone comes along with the power to reverse their curse, or at least make it more manageable.

>>53898545
Highschool of the Dead has a "teach anyone up to expert level in five weeks" perk. Exalts have a bunch of charms/options, like the Celestial Cocaine from sids for awakening essence, or all the Tiger Warrior stuff if you pick up a Solar companion.

>>53899663
Er the part that screws with the fact that the other option is available. Saving Kuro-Sensei instead of just making it a death battle.

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>>53898957
Out of all my active jumpers...

Writer Chain has a pretty swanky and fluffy pad, with a literal blanket fort for a room. The maid roombas will clean stuff and there's a fireplace always crackling. It's complete luxury but not so high end that you feel out of place inside it.

>>53899961
>all the chaos sisters except Quelaag

...wha?

>>53898957
I'd vote yorokonde despite his coordinators. Between his cooking and dedication to his mini harem hed be pretty comfy to pal around with.

Konata wins runner up due to several points being deducted from her science shenanigans .

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>>53898957
My life is a never-ending cascade of self-inflicted torment and a downward spiral I have long since lost control of, all while chasing an ephemeral and ideal dream of being with the one I want forever, all while worlds and stories burn in my passing. It is a road full of discomfort, fire, hyper-fighting, and despair.

I like to cuddle, tho.

>>53899989
Well, all the sisters that were present in the game. You can get Quelana and Quelaan as companions, but not Quelaag.

>>53899989
He's referring to how Destined Meeting doesn't work on anyone immediately hostile. The moment Quelaag sees you she wants to kill you for your humanity to help soothe her sister's pain.

>>53900041
>all this irrelevant bullshit
Then why the fuck did you answer, you attention-whoring cunt?

>>53900064
>all this irrelevant bullshit

Why haven't you killed yourself, you meme-shitposting cunt?

>>53900053
>>53899989
Oh, and that one other sister that one other sister I keep forgetting about, because you just kinda gank her.

Hey, you know how last thread there was the conversation about how to create Primordials, and someone suggested to use the First Magic? I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that it might be easier to just use the Fourth instead, since Pure Chaos is supposedly full of unlimited potential or something. If Primordials sprung out of a well spring of potential, wouldn't it make more sense to reign that potential in then to try and brute force it? Am I wrong on this front?

>>53899803
There's no good SBer that can support them, you might as well ask Bancho to pitch in as moral support

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>>53900064
I dunno, why'd you throw all that unprovoked hostility over wanting attention? Projection?

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>>53900064

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Hey thread, I need a psychopathic magician to add to my insane little harem. Preferably able to keep the crazy inside when required, but quite happy to murder on command. Use of offensive magic a must.

There's so many good candidates in Overlord (Manga), but they're all tied to the skeleton, so I'm looking for other ones.

As payment, accept sexy pink girl.

>>53900057
Will you be keeping a perk that allows you to emanate sunlight in either jump?

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>>53900041
>My life is a never-ending cascade of self-inflicted torment and a downward spiral I have long since lost control of, all while chasing an ephemeral and ideal dream of being with the one I want forever, all while worlds and stories burn in my passing. It is a road full of discomfort, fire, hyper-fighting, and despair.

>No crazy harem hijinks in your tenchi-muyo build where the chaos caused by you this time was by the gods wanting your benis

smfh tbqh famm

>>53900282
It's gonna go in the Dark Souls 1 Jump most likely since Sun Bros are way more prominent there. Been a long time since I looked into either game, but the Sun covenant in DS2 is abandoned and forgotten in that toxic area, so it's less of a priority.

>>53900257
Liliana Vess.

>>53900124
It might be easier to just destroy "the lack of a Primordial at this point in space." That's a pretty high-end technique, however.

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>>53900124
Oh, people were talking about creating Primordials? Like-the OG Primordials, not more Devil Tigers or getting Solars to learn better PPE-variants or somesuch?

Huh. I've only had one idea how to go about it, and it would involve a very, very specific build; mine lacks the impregnate anything-perk from Greek Mythology, and so probably can't do it. Because it would have to involve impregnating the Shinma.

Anyway, that's hard to answer because 1. as I'm sure people have pointed out, there isn't a 100% canon answer to where they came from, and 2. the Fourth itself is OC, so it's specifics are just as hard to nail down. All I know for certain is that the "no form of magic or technology could bring them back" part is either going to be the crippling limit or the only hope for pulling it off once you reach the "destroy concepts" level of mastery.

http://rathess.xi.co.nz/exalted/index.php/Ink_Monkeys,_vol._40:_The_Legend_of_the_Titans

http://nobilis.me/quotes:thoughts-on-yozi-origins

One of the few things we DO know about the Primordials' birth, is that they "sprang from their own dreams". Cytherea's awakening caused the Wyld to be "pushed infinitely in all directions" which allowed them to gain definition and grow.

http://nobilis.me/quotes:cytherea

This is important because, what little we know of Cytherea in canon DOES characterise her as an enabler. She was canonically the other Primordial who engineered Creation, and during the Daystar's creation Theion used her to create flames that surpassed his own.

So based on that, I...don't think that the Fourth would be useful because the original birth didn't just "reign in" the Wyld's potential-it directed and amplified it into a vast source of creative energy, like a spiritual particle accelerator. Whereas from what I can tell, the Fourth is first and foremost a reductive force so "destroying absence" or somesuch would probably be very unwieldly as wel as lacking the raw oomph needed to generate one.

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>>53899973
Ok. I've redid it a bit.

Changes:

Added a note about what happens.
Also changed up the True Ending.

Should that be enough?

Which Zelda is best zelda?

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>>53900330
Any plans for a Gravelord Servant origin?

>>53900527
Of the jumps? Minish Cap, IMO.

The 'generic' one doesn't actually cover a great deal of content and really annoys me, while the WW one feels really sparse and only has a couple of cool things. Maybe that BotW one that's in the works will be better though.

Out of the games, I'd say BotW and ALBW are the best.

>>53898957
My chain was pretty comfy up until recently where Errai almost killed me and the Benefactor. We're getting back to comfy again slowly, but I think both me and the Lady are a little stressed out over how close we both came to really dying this time.

>>53900417
Thanks!

>>53900527
Zelda Williams. She's actually a pretty cool chick.

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>>53900527

A link to the past Zelda is best Zelda

>>53900407
>Whereas from what I can tell, the Fourth is first and foremost a reductive force so "destroying absence" or somesuch would probably be very unwieldy as well as lacking the raw oomph needed to generate one.
Hmm. But that's also a special case, because literally all the Primordials that we know of were made at the same time, so it might be the case that at this late stage after all that stuff happened that a new primordial could appear at any moment from the Wyld.
I wasn't really thinking of any kind of 'destruction of absence' because I in general think that's pretty dumb, but I was also banking on the idea that because it happened once on its own, that it could happen again if you just...narrowed down the possibilities until it happening a second time became more likely. Maybe if you used the First as well to add more energy to the system it'd work out better, I don't know. I haven't taken Fate or Exalted in my chain yet, this is all theoretical.

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>>53900527

>>53900527
BotW Zelda is pretty cool, and Spirit Tracks Zelda was also great.

>>53900542
Dark Souls 1 Jump is likely going to emphasize the Covenant angle for origins much harder, so I'll probably be including one, yeah.

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>>53900367
I dunno, that sounds very risky when one of the defined concepts of "absence of things at this point in space" already exists. It's the Underworld. Actually, there's a Void Circle Necromancy that already enables teleportation by throwing you into the Maw of Oblivion and trusting the Neverborn to also throw the concept of your death in there so you reconstitute somewhere else. Call me pessimistic, but since the Primordials predate spatial constants while the Underworld doesn't it seems more likely to me that would inadvertantly tap into that bad juju instead.

Are you thinking about Oramus and The Dragon's Shadow? I know "non-standard" is a very, very tricky term to apply to them, but considering one literally defines the boundaries of possibility and the other is motivated by antagonism towards the fundamental constants of existence.

Assuming you somehow aim for their method of creation, there's one more hazily defined risk: During the first age, a Sidereal chasing a demon found a portal to temporary possible futures later called the Arch of Undreamt Eternities. It was found to react negatively to attempts to define it; the demon mistook it for the metaphorical Gates of Saigoth and apparently died from comprehension failure, whereas the Sidereal who "accepted it for what it was and opened her eyes to its transcendent reality" later started to suspect even naming it diminished it conceptually somehow.

...it's not directly connected to either Primordial, but it is technically an example of an impossible thing becoming partially possible. What I'm concerned by it's example is the possibility that Oramus and Ebby already hog too much conceptual space for a similar being to come into existence.

how to be a gerudo male or how to have a gerudo female harem need

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>>53900676
Nice. Thank you for answering.

Are there any perks which allow you to improve more quickly during conflict? Not temporary boosts like Angel of Battle in Imperium, but more like increased training/learning speeds.

>>53900771
What perks let me exist without a skeleton?

No slimegirl perks, please.

>>53900714
>how to be a gerudo male or how to have a gerudo female harem need

Become Gannon he's the only male Gerudo and the undisputed King

>>53900407
>All I know for certain is that the "no form of magic or technology could bring them back" part is either going to be the crippling limit or the only hope for pulling it off once you reach the "destroy concepts" level of mastery.
Que? Are you talking about Shinma?

>>53900771
No problem dude.

>>53900806
so eat ganon or copy his DNA got it

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>>53900786
>not wanting to have a spooky skeleton
>not wanting to be a spooky skeleton
Shapeshifting probably, but a perk to improve your taste would probably be better, anon.

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>>53900616
Might is the operative word, I suppose. It's just that it also happens to be the only example we have of it happening that doesn't involve Exaltations, and there's no information on whether or not it could reoccur.

If you do aim to achieve it via conceptual reoccurence then I think combining the First, Third and HSDW would be the most useful. But by using the Third as the energy supply not the First; what little we know of the First associates it with Ether Clumps. And Ether Clumps are the thing that creates Assassin's Zabaniya, so I would think the First would be more useful for generating whatever concepts or conditions led to the conditions that caused Primordials to spawn.

And HSDW (preferably EX Territory/Item Creation) would be needed simply because the level of concept reinforcement via magic the whole process would demand feats of power far beyond even Primate Murder's true ressurection of a human (which is apparently explicitly beyond True Magic), Goetia's universal hacking or Beast!Kiara's slaughter loop. At least, those are the closest I can think of to nonhuman True Magic users in the franchise and out of those only Beast!Kiara is confirmed using a 3rd offshoot for her attack.

>>53900807
Those lines were from the 4th's description in the F/SN update, but sorta. Basically the prime mover among the Shinma is Advaita Iraivan (a subdivision of Nirguna, the Shinma of Existence), which defines the concept of separation by interaction with the other Shinma. Allows for ideas like "Malfeas is bigger than a yeddim" to exist, basically.

So I thought anon's idea of utilising the 4th would be to indirectly manipulate it by attempting to destroy a sufficiently specific distinction about how it applies to a certain sector of the Wyld, in order to render it inseparable from the dream-state the Primordials occured within.

>>53900806
Hang on, Gannon has a species and he's the only male?

How does that work?

>>53900936
>How does that work?
Nature, uh, finds a way.

>>53900936
Gerudo fuck human guys. It doesn't make a lot of sense, either, but eh.

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>>53900936
Ganon/Ganondorf is a Gerudo, and it works via Gerudos fucking Hylians/Humans. The pig man form is a transformed state that became permanent in the timeline where he killed Link, this is his true form.

>>53900936
Gerudo are the orange ladies, and male gerudo only happen once in a billion years or whatever. Ganon gets reincarnated as this male every time from what I understand.

I know very little about zelda lore, but >>53900970 probably right

>>53900988
So the big black jew thief turns into a giant demon pig?

>>53900970
Same logic as harpies.

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>>53901002
>Gano gets reincarnated

Doesn't Link get reincarnated too?

Does that mean Ganon is his species' Link?

>>53900962
>>53900970
>>53900988
I...see. So either magic, or Asari-like bullshit genetics.

>>53901054
It's magic, from what I can tell. They reproduce, but they only ever have girls except for whenever they have the one male once every 100 years. For them to keep their distinct appearance must mean that they have some really strong genes.

>>53901054
Essentially, Link, Ganon, and Zelda are all tied to the same curse that keeps Ganon fighting the other two forever. Ganon is both the reincarnation of and a curse by the first great evil, Demise. And Link's bloodline was cursed by Demise to never find peace because of it. Zelda herself is the soul of the first goddess made Mortal, who also opposed Demise, so she's kinda trapped in this shitshow too.

>>53901054
Again. Same logic as Harpies. Their genetics are so dominant that it doesn't matter who the fuck they breed with, the end result's the mother's species.

>>53900257
Tharja?

>>53900257
Pick up Henry from the FE:Fates jump and give him a genderbend. Rhajat from the same game might also fit the bill, though she's a bit stalker-y, so keep that in mind.

>>53901152
Makes you wonder what would happen if you truly broke the cycle.

>>53901305
Spirit tracks, I think.

>>53901305
isn't that supposedly what happened in the most recent zelda

>>53901345
Bad shit would happen for the times when it isn't Ganon as the bad guy.

Asked a while ago, but does anyone know what Song of Death from the Soul Hackers update is based on?

>>53901305
That happens in the Wind Waker timeline. The soul of the original hero has been lost, and Ganondorf is imprisoned under an entire fuckin ocean. Turns out that while there's still evil monsters in the world, none of them reach the same level of 'fucking everything' that Ganon does.

BotW however is an example of the cycle never breaking over a very, VERY long time, which eventually ends with Ganon becoming a primordial evil even more terrifying than his progenitor.

>>53901379
I mean, yeah, shit is still going to happen because there needs to be a villain to be a game, but the spirit tracks timeline has two games without ganon, and no signs of him showing up again.

Granted, BotW's placement is all sorts of fuckery, so take that with a grain of salt. Specifically, the description for salt references wind waker.

>>53901345
>>53901391
I don't think Demise's Curse is gone in the Wind Waker timeline just because Ganondorf is. I mean, all Demise said was that an incarnation of his hatred would follow Link and Zelda throughout all time, and attempt to destroy them. According to the timeline, there were other threats between when Demise cursed them and when Ganondorf first showed up. It's very possible that Vaati and other villains were previous incarnations of Demise's hatred, and that Ganondorf just stuck around because he was the most competent and dangerous incarnation and/or because he had the Triforce of Power.

>>53900936
I don't actually think the dream state was a particularly unique state of being for the Wyld, so much as a lack of turbulence. I imagine if you dissolved all the Primordials into nothing and got rid of creation, eventually it'd go back to that state, since the trigger seems to be a Primordial gaining self-awareness and recognizing the existence of things which aren't itself or within the context of its own existence.

Like, within those links you provided, it seems to me that they were similar in nature to Fae, emergent properties of the interactions between Shinma and each other, and one day one of them realized that it existed within a greater context then the one of its own imagining. It's why I'm dubious of it being necessarily valuable to use the First Magic to add or change something, when I feel if you reduced things in a particular way you could get the same results through nothing but natural Shinmaic interactions.

That all said, if you did add the First Magic to the equation, I feel like you're just falling into the trap of creating Primordials Ex Nihilo, which would take significantly more effort than it's worth and be nothing but brute forcing the issue. Adding anything that wasn't there in the first place, destroyed accidentally as collateral and necessary, but not easily replaceable, I feel is messing with the equation.

I don't know, maybe it's my habit of treating observable patterns of interactions as dogma for whether or not something can happen and how, but when I see a rule I tend to conclude that it's consistent until I see otherwise.

>>53901485
IIRC, ganon got meditative and balanced his soul out or something, so he died thinking 'this is fine' rather than 'curses, foiled again'.

>>53901485
That, and he's just a good fan-favorite villain.

>>53901485
The curse in its entirety probably isn't gone no, but I think Demise's soul is at least sealed now. Don't forget that they didn't kill Ganon, they imprisoned him at the bottom of the ocean, turned to stone, with the most holy weapon there is jammed in his head. At the very least the biggest problem has been taken care of.

>>53900417
Looks like the update ate a word in the second paragraph of the intro, "within one year" now just reads "one year".

Hmm, reading both the old and new versions, you're told that the job is to kill Korosensei but as a jumper actually doing that job is the fail condition ("if you seriously harm or kill a student or teacher, you lose").

I... kinda like that. Reminds me of Men In Black, the recruitment scene with all the soldiers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hAVT2sDqQ

Is there anything that prevents your technology from being replicated, with the exception of a select group of people?

>>53901580
Adding the word back in. Sorry left it out on mistake.

I'm not gonna reupload it to 4chan, but it'll be on the upload folder.

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Where have you gone jumpers to seek...enlightenment?

>>53901642

The only perk in the entire chain is from Young Justice

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>>53901490
I'm mainly skeptical of that first part because the idea of irreversible change seems to be an ongoing theme in the setting: From Zen-Mu losing it's luster, to the formation of the Underworld, to the unprecedented Devil-Tiger occurence. Nothing concrete, but-given Primordials naturally un-dissolve without Ghost Eating Technique, I always got the impression doing so permanently was supposed to be one of those utter aberrations.

My mistake since I was talking about the thought experiment so much, but cards on the table: To start with, I'm COMPLETELY dubious about using the True Magics to create more Primodials as a concept because Primate Murder seems to be far weaker than one, and can do things TMs can't. I understand the risk of "messing with the equation", but from how I look at it the former would already be doing so even more than trying to recursively manifest the preconditional trends that gave rise to them with the First, as opposed to deconstructing an end product in the hopes the components will naturally reform in an atypical manner. Though beyond that-I admit to jumping to brute force via the Third/HSDW precisely because of my doubt in the thing's success, and since Cytherea and Oramus are already very unique for the purpose of the thought exercise overloaded concept reinforcement was the only thing I could imagine plausibly emulating their feats.

In the particular case of Primordial genesis, I actually agree with you fundamentally on that last sentence. It's just that because of that and what I said about change, I also think the operation is fundamentally flawed barring forcing the issue through with countless other relatvent buffing perks. I know that sort of thing's betting on a million in one chance, but the way I see it-it's that, or barring the other thing I thought of literally impossible because of the way Essence phenomena seems to work.

>>53901704
Yeah, but from what I'm reading it seems like an all-or-nothing deal. Let one person replicate it, and then everyone can.

>>53901747
>Yeah, but from what I'm reading it seems like an all-or-nothing deal. Let one person replicate it, and then everyone can.

Sorry man, That's the closest thing I know of Short of jerry rigging what you want with some loyalty perks so those you teach won't spill the beans

>>53901642
Maybe Worthy of Legend from Xena?

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Now I need the images...

>>53901741
I might actually be able to come up with a couple alternative directions to take it, but pretty much every idea I have runs along the same general lines of 'create system where it it theoretically possible for something to occur, then somehow manipulate probability to make what could happen guaranteed to happen'.

That, or some kind of half-measure, like building a pseudo-Primordial manually out of a Shinma-like architecture, or actual Shinma if you're doing it in Exalted, using some kind of talecrafting to weave the interactions of concepts into a consistent being capable of recognizing itself like the Primordials do, with roughly the same abilities. Still a blunt force measure though, so I'm not entirely happy with it.

>>53901698
I am a mess of primitive nerves fire forever as they stretch across all of time and touch everything at once. I feel bundles of flesh manipulating through folds of space that, to eyes lesser than mine, should not exist. I am the Ship of Theseus, but my frame is woefully insufficient for the port that it has found itself in.

However, with more time, and less inhibition, progress towards the truth will be made.

>>53901002
>>53901054
>>53901152
Wrong wrong wrong.

A male Gerudo is born every 100 odd years, he is made their king. Link and Zelda constantly reincarnate due to the Cycle, but Ganon doesn't.

Demise cursed Link and Zelda with his "evil" to eternally haunt them. It found a couple of hosts before it ended up in Ganon. Ganon has never actually died, or been reincarnated. He's mostly been sealed, exiled to another realm or "defeated". But he's never been killed and then reincarnated like Link and Zelda do. It's the same guy, he just keeps coming back. Whereas it's a "new" Link and Zelda each time.

>>53901802
>All perks can be toggled on and off.
Why tho.

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BLADE fails to make racials edition
>Dropped a couple of drawback values.
>Added three new drawbacks
>Replaced one Legend perk
>Renamed one Darkness perk
>Added stay/leave/home thing at end.

Minor changes.

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Jumpers, what gets you excited?

>>53902019
Which perk was replaced?

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>>53902000

Dunno, maybe someone don't wanna have them active 24/7

>>53902050
...Then they shouldn't buy them?

>>53902039
'The strong' aka minor superstrength was replaced with 'Shouldn't that have exploded' aka whacking magic back at ganon.

>>53902070
The new perk needs more detail, it's not clear what it actually does from the text alone.

>>53902079
>>53902070
The problem is that the perk seems to treat the reflecting thing as just an example instead of the only thing it can do. Just tidy up the start and end fluff so this is less confusing.

>>53902019
So, what made you decide to neuter Abyss Library so hard?

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>>53902064

Well, there are a couple of perks that are passive, like one that makes you more likable to someone the more time you spent with them.
Someone could want to use it sometimes and sometimes no.
It's just that.

>>53902050
No other jump has this tho. Do people manually toggle their supernatural abilities on and off in this setting? If not, it shouldn't be in the jump.

>>53902070
Have you recovered from the SB shutdown yet?

>>53902114
There are plenty of perks like that. They don't all need some sort of magical toggle button that doesn't exist in the setting.

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>>53902115
>>53902124

'kay , I will take it out. Happy?

>>53902115
>No other jump has this tho.
Young Justice?

>>53902079
>>53902087
Better?
>Magic used against you is slightly more cohesive that it should be. Not enough to do any additional damage, but just enough that you might be able to deflect it. It does require that the magic be projectile in nature, but with a little bit of timing, those spells could explode in their own users face.

>>53902092
I am not a trained veterinarian, and therefore have never neutered anything.

>>53902115
Multiple jumps have toggles.

>>53902156
Much better.

>>53901741
>it's that, or barring the other thing I thought of literally impossible because of the way Essence phenomena seems to work.
I don't get where you think that reversing change in Exalted is such a big deal when everything in the setting is a product of unchanging conceptual physics anyway. Wouldn't it be possible to bring everything back to those base inalienable functions of reality relatively easily? I don't think that there has ever been truly fundamental change in Exalted so much as there have been changes to Creation, which there is a difference I think.

>>53901642
Do what I do: integrate very slight magitek elements into everything that you build. It's hilarious to watch people try to reverse engineer your technology only to constantly fail because they can't recreate the magitek that allows it to work. To let a certain group of people use your technology you can teach them just enough magic to get it working for them.

>>53902156
Don't play coy, BLADE. You know that I know that you know what I'm talking about.

>>53902187
>you know that I know that you know
I refuse to play this game with you. Or anyone, really.

So, how much of a bad thing is The Light of Destruction in Duel Monsters Heroes

Because it seems like a mega bad thing

>>53902179
>everything in the setting is a product of unchanging conceptual physics anyway
They're not, though. Even the Shinma themselves can be altered.

If I make a tribrid in the SMT Jump and choose two 1000cp Races, is their any reason for me not to pick a third 1000cp Race?

>>53902237
It's a sentient cosmic force that horrifically tortures and brainwashes people with the ultimate goal of either obliterating all traces of life in the universe or enslaving everyone and forcing them to worship it forever, depending on whether you're going by the original story or the dub. Either way, it's a sadistic, arrogant creature, and it's been around since the dawn of time. It's also the reason why Yubel went from benevolent if overprotective spirit to a psycho yandere that wants to destroy and remake everything so she can have her husbando all to herself.

>>53902274
Congratulations for finding Generic SMT Build #2.

There is no free t-shirt.

>>53902294
I was just clarifying cause I couldn't remember. I tend to avoid looking at the thread unless I have a question to ask, so I only vaguely remember the "controversy" surrounding SMT. To be honest I was more looking for reasons not to pick another 1000cp race, so I can focus on design and aesthetic instead of power.

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>>53901927
I imagine you'd need bonafide Shinma to make something that operates on the same scope at similar levels of efficiency, since all the mix energy/power source substitute perks I can remember don't encompass abstract cosmic principles as far as I remember. I also imagine the major challenge of such a system would be determining where the system ends at the proto-Primordial begins since Inevitability Techniques mentions Yozis bending causality, and it's pointed out Yozis are Outside Fate but not Samsara. Though to be fair, that last part really says more about how relatively brittle "Fate" is in Exalted.

This train of thought does make me wonder about using Temple of Thought/Favor of Tashlan to improve the rate of creating Heretical Charms, though. 2e's stance that Primodials are the sum of their Charms, RotSE listing the core Charms that make up Ebby's selfhood, Ebby "downloading" all his Charms into his bride's wedding ring and the fact Heretical Charms are wholly new ones make me wonder what might happen if you fused two Cosmic Principles/associated general Charms, then stored them in a similar N/A rank artifact. Which would be the most resource exhaustive thing made since the Exaltations themselves.

And of course, prior to that you'd need a way to survive ego death by the frankenyozi you've started turning into long enough to scoop it out and put somewhere else-like, I dunno, whatever Theion had that turned his greatness into a nee-san and sprouted an imouto inside of him.

Anyway, I still think the activation mechanism is the big hurdle given even Oramus apparently still needed Cytherea's kaboom to fully come into being.

>>53902179
Other than the fact the Shinma themselves have actually undergone subtle differentiations that affected existence (i.e. Time Not ceasing), IIRC it's one proposed explaination for Oblivion. Not to mention the fact 2e attempts to tie metaphysics with mechanics, and forbids ressurection.

>>53902337
There isn't one, but it's probably more cost effective to use the Veritable cost option to take three 800 point races that are more palatable to you, since there's not actually a significant function difference between what the 1000 cp options give you and what you could find on the wiki that would only cost 800.

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I'm gonna do other jump before continuing with Pandora Hearts.

>>53902405
Other?

>>53902337
Oh. Aight, my apologies.

Honestly, I'm not sure. I myself prefer Fenris / Fenrir / whatever the big-god-damn-wolf's named. What kind of aesthetic are you looking for?

>>53902434
I've settled on Lord of Vermin (Jellyfish) + Guardian + Kraken, which I envision as being a large, translucent fuchsia serpent, possessed of a large beak and scores of tentacles lazily dangling across its entire body. This is for a Fishlady Jumper.

>>53902474
Ah. Well there you go, mang.

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>>53902275
>a psycho yandere that wants to destroy and remake everything so she can have her husbando

At this point I'm surprised the yugioh goddess that made everything in Digger's recent jumps hasn't tried to pull a YHVH and wipe the slate clean

>>53902185
>Sir, we got the computer program running
>Excellent!
>And it took some time, but I think we finally understand quantum processing
>Good, good!
>There's just one problem
>What's that?
>...the chip still needs to be blessed by a harvest goddess on a blue moon at the crossroads of Faerie and Hell's borders to work
>...
>Sir, do we have a company harvest goddess by any chance?

>>53902434
He's/they're called Fenrir in SMT, I think

>>53902474
>fishlady krakensnek

WAIT, I recognise that look! And from a franchise I know almost nothing about barring some literal chinese cartoons!

Calamaramon!

>>53902274
You can take three races? How?

>>53902227

Wheres the item imports?

>>53902185
I'm worried such "conventional" methods as those won't do much to deter some of the worst factions out there, like Daleks or Chaos.

>>53902503
Ah, to be fair the psycho yandere part is actually from canon, where as in Duel Monsters: The Heroes, she just wants to show her love by putting you through immense suffering, because that's what she thinks love is. This is also canon, though she gets better.

That being said, I imagine the reason why she hasn't gone full YHVH is that she's too softhearted.

>>53902516
One of the Demon perks lets you. You pay full price for the most expensive race, half-price for the next most expensive race, and the least expensive one is free. This still applies if they're all the same price, with one being full price, one being discounted, and one being free.

Val has ruled that Exalted Charms are valid for Infinity. Let that sink in for a moment.
These are the kinds of powerwankers that pass as "jumpmakers" these days.

>>53902503
>>53902544
I should clarify that I mean her being crazy enough to want to destroy and remake everything is from canon. She's still a yandere in The Heroes, she's just a lot more small scale.

>>53902556
> back in my day, jumpmakers were good according to my subjective opinion that I believe to be objective
I don't even know what you're referring to but I know you're just trying to stir shit

>>53902386
>Other than the fact the Shinma themselves have actually undergone subtle differentiations that affected existence (i.e. Time Not ceasing), IIRC it's one proposed explaination for Oblivion. Not to mention the fact 2e attempts to tie metaphysics with mechanics, and forbids ressurection.
Hmm.

This probably means you'd have to actually fuck with the Shinma until they go back to the way they were back before the Primordial woke up, since all other things standing equal, the Shinma have probably become different enough that even given an arbitrarily long period of time to develop, new Proto-Primordials might never appear in the same way because the system of interactions are different, and thus the resultant emergent properties would obviously also have changed.

At that point, you might as well just create a separate space with it's own Shinma that works out the same and use that as a base. Would probably work out better since you could probably carry it with you between jumps, which would be necessary to use it for anything or get anything meaningful done with it.

If nothing else, if Fair Folk and Raksha start appearing, you know that you did something right. The thing about Primordials, which differentiates them from everything else that comes from Pure Chaos, is that they're basically their own cosmic order defined less by their personal narrative and more about the context in which they exist. So, you will literally never know whether or not they'll appear or not until the second they show up, because they validate their own existence seemingly the same moment they show up.

>>53902618
Stop biting bait you fucking mongoloid.

>>53902634
I can't help it. I don't know why he bothers when he's so obvious about it.

Do any beasts in Exalted use Essence? Are Raksha Essence users?

>>53902648
>I don't know why he bothers when he's so obvious about it.
Because:
>I can't help it.
Retards like you feed him.
STOP BEING RETARDED.

>>53902673
>Jumpchain
>Not retarded
Pick one and only one.

So in my unfortunate giving into peer pressure and realizing the themes coming to light, Anons and Namefags one-and-all...

I need adoptive sons. Eight of them, in fact. I need to offset nine daughterus, and I only got the one sonu so far.

Eighteen kids in all, plus one becoming a Jumper after being born in CATastrophe.

OC / make-a-companion counts as well.

>>53902673
Maybe I'm not understanding the dynamic here. Someone can't possibly be so petty as to require me to respond to them over an egyptian heiroglyphs image board in a thread about self-insert mary sues talking about authors power wanking, right? How does that satisfy them in any way? I'm not angry at them, I'm not gonna go to bed thinking about one asshole I replied to hours ago. I'm mostly just annoyed and mildly disappointed.

>>53902696
Where are your current kids from, so we don't suggest duplicates?

>>53902696
Magnus the Red, Leman Russ, Jaghatai Khan, Lion'El Johnson, Vulkan, Corvus Coral, Route Guilliman, and Angron. You can't be a shittier parent than the Emperor, at least.

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>>53902659
Depends on what you mean by beasts? If you mean natural wildlife (which can look damn supernatural), then no. But there are gods/spirits that look animal-shaped and use Essence, artificially created lifeforms that use Essence and unique creatures called Behemoths (which is a catch-all term for big, scary lifeform created by serious supernatural mojo-usually Primordials, sometimes the Wyld) definitely use Essence.

And Raksha use Essence, yeah.

Essence very often behaves like chi in Dragonball-it's as much a life energy as a mana bar.

>>53902629
The Shinma are so obscure I wouldn't know where to even begin creating new ones that function sufficiently alike the old ones to guarantee those conditions. Let alone a "space" to "store" them in given as a basic function they determine the parameters of such concepts in the first place.

>>53902696
Frisk?

Naota from FLCL?

Alternate universe Johnny Jostar (Bond of the Soul)?

Star dragon hatchling, League of Legends?

Kyon, Haruhi Suzumiya?

Ledo, Gargantia?

>>53902696
I... shit I actually can't think of many dudes that could do with an adoptive father.

This is probably gonna sound like I'm pulling your leg, but how about Dark Sun Gwyndolyn. Considering what his father did to his other daughter, the one who's not Tits McGee, he could probably benefit from a nicer dad. Preferably one whose soul isn't constantly burning and is actually able to do things other than sit in a glorified oven.

I don't really think he's worth the trouble, but if you found the time to redeem any other Slaughterhouse 9 member, Jack Slash could probably turn his life around with a father figure that wouldn't lock him into a bunker and tell him the world's ended out of psychosis.

>>53902696
The Star Dragon in League of Legends.
A Familiar in Forgotten Realms
Go Dragonrider in Dragonlance
And also in the Inheritance Trilogy
A Red Eyes in Shadow Realm
A Dragon companion in Skylanders
A Koopaling with Super Bowser Bros from Paper Mario
A Dragon Type Zoid in Zoids legacy.

>>53902802
>dragon dragon bro bagon wagon

He said sonus, not dragonus sleuthy anon

>>53902808
Yes?

>>53902696
Tim Hunter from DC Occult.

Yeah he's technically not without a family, but I'm sure he'd appreciate the gesture considering his heritage (if I'm remembering right).

Also if by some miracle you return to Harry Potter, put him right next to Harry. Watch the confusion.

>>53902750
Daughters:
Fire Emblem: Awakening Elizabeth
Generic Parenting Alice
FF12:RW Yzzabelle
Dissidia Violet
Mortals Gauntlet SOFE + Makoto
Biomega/Blame Yion Green
Elfen Lied Nana
Stellaris Iliona

Son:
League of Legends Eridan

>>53902783
... y'know I can very much see your point there. Well played.

>>53902793
>>53902802

Already got the Star-Dragon Hatchling (Eridan) however, doing research on the other names as I look.

To Elona: unfortunately, already been to Inheritance Trilogy and Legend of Spyro / Skylanders. And Zoids, where... My mech became even more of a god-forsaken nightmare.

The others, looking into them however.

>>53902799

D'aaaah. Damn, yeah. Dark Souls and Worm were WAY early in the chain, unfortunately.

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>>53902783
>Taking Corvus
Why tho?

>Not taking Sanguinius

>>53902793
By "beasts", I mean non-sapient anything. Aren't some demons bestial as well? Also, where would I go to find out more about Behemoths? Are they statted up anywhere?

>>53902840
SANGUINIUS IS FUCKING DEAD, JUSTICE.

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>>53902848
REVIVAL MAGIC IS A THING!
AND A DEAD MAN IS STILL BETTER THAN FUCKING ANGRON!

>>53902848
Jumpers anon, that is not a problem unless he is Horus levels of dead. Even then it isn't a big one.

>>53902860
ANGRON JUST NEEDS SOMEONE TO HELP HIM GET THE ANGER MANAGED.

HE NEEDS A HUG, DAMN YOU.

>>53902840
You'll notice that all of the listed Primarchs have one thing in common they Sanguinius does not share: THEY'RE NOT CONFIRMED TO HAVE BEEN DEAD FOR TEN THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS

>>53902860
Vulkan is a Perpetual, he never really died.
Speaking of which 40K jump with perpetual perk when?

>>53902860
>>53902865
fuck, niggas, stop with the caps

>>53902793
>The Shinma are so obscure I wouldn't know where to even begin creating new ones that function sufficiently alike the old ones to guarantee those conditions.
You could start by impregnating them, and then figure out how to create and mutilate concepts through the First and Fourth magic in combination, to make them artificially. That probably wouldn't work on its own though, so you'd have to rely on enormous amounts of magical oomph to carry through on the legwork, loath as I am to admit it. I honestly don't really hate doing things the hard way of stacking on bonuses forever, I just vastly prefer going the maximum efficiency and peak elegance route.
>Let alone a "space" to "store" them in given as a basic function they determine the parameters of such concepts in the first place.
That part's easy. You just solve it by making more Shinma to hold the other Shinma inside! And another layer of Shinma on the outside to isolate contact with the rest of the Shinma.

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>>53902865
NO! HE NEEDS THOSE NAILS TAKEN OUT OF HIS HEAD, THEN HE NEEDS A HUG!.

>>53902869
Revival magic is still a thing.

>>53902870
I'm aware.

>>53902874
YES, no. MaYbE

>>53902860
>Vulkan plugged into the WAAAGH!
That was some weird shit.

>>53902874
FUCK YOU. I HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS THAT NEED PROPER COMMUNICATING.

>>53902880
ON THIS WE AGREE.

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>>53902881
Does Vulkan count as a Mekboy now?

>>53902870
What perks, in addition to Anomalous Physiology from SCP and another faster regen perk, are needed to jury rig the recover powers of a perpetual?

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Okay, it's been years since I played Shin Megami Tensei I, but on a scale of 1 to 10, how crazy and unreasonable is YHVH at this point in time? Decade made his stance pretty clear last time this issue came up and I feel like that's going to get ugly. The only real saving grace is that he's probably not going to manifest directly during the jump.

I'm just getting the funny feeling the nukes are only the start of the problem if I prevent them. Also, what Megaten capstone drawback should I have dropped on my head next?

>>53902907
Uh, that should be enough already.

>>53902838
Speaking of Elona, go there and make a gene or capture a dragon in a pokeball. Or take a baby from a ranch.
There's another possible son in Cave Story

>>53902888
As an aside, if someone ever makes a "great crusade" jump I fully plan on talking sense into the Emperor, and having him let Angron win his war. Then removing the nails before they do more damage.

>>53902907
Just get Zombie from SDS.

>>53902696
Crona
Link
…Damn. Sonus are hard to come by.

>>53902937
>talking sense into the Emperor
I don't think we have enough charisma perks for that.

>>53902982
Yes. Yes they are.

>>53902930
Tbh, YHWH isn't really a challenge for your jumper at his current power level. You crossed that threshold before you went to Xianxia land.

>>53902907
>Regenerate from a speck of dust and do so at speed.
That is literally a perpetual, congrats. There are only a few things that might kill you in the entire 40K universe and only one that is confirmed to be capable of it.

*You may regret this immortality when you get hit by a vortex weapon and spend the rest of the jump in the warp. Immortality is not invulnerability and can really really suck in a place like 40K.

>>53902982
>Sonus
I read that as souls.

>>53902984
The Emperor works off of his own internal logic, as a player of 40k I have enough knowledge of his thought process to exploit this. He does what he THINKS is the most "efficient" thing, I just need to point out how letting Angron win his war, and even sending down the World Eaters to help, would not only ensure Angron's loyalty, but build the necessary bonds of comradely between him and his legion.

>>53902930
Crazy enough to nuke and then flood the world, but not crazy enough to wipe out all life on the planet with a pyramid Death Star or enough to just outright delete everything just because people weren't doing exactly what he wanted.

>>53902930
>>53903039
As for what will happen if you prevent the nukes? He'll probably just skip to the flood the world part. I'd suggest World of Law, personally.

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>>53902846
Demons? They're definitely sapient, where'd you hear that from? They do use Essence though.

Unfortunately the gameline treats Behemoths as unique encounters. There's one statted up in Infernals, there's at least one other in the Compass setting books; I THINK it's the West one? But there isn't a single catalogue for them.

Oh, and frustratingly Graceful Wicked Masques (the Raksha sourcebook) uses an entirely DIFFERENT definition of "behemoth" to denote "dream-crafted mostly unreal rampaging monster the fae use to attack each other's Valor" which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the former definition. Though the lone N/A rank example of the latter is much, much more powerful than any known surviving Behemoth in the Age of Sorrows. And yes, they too use Essence to work.

I...think that covers everything vaguely beastly. As a general rule, autonomous Essence usage tends to coincide with some degree of sapience.

>>53902876
But that's like trying to recreate your hometown by knocking down somebody else's buildings and pushing the rubble into the shape of your neighbourhood. Also-that just leads to the question of how you're supposed to haul around the fattest Shinma that holds all the others inside itself.

>spoiler

Totally agree, and that's why Operation From Nirguna With Love is naught but a fever dream

>>53902930
Unless you take certain drawbacks I...don't think there's a definite answer because YHVH doesn't show up in the first game.

>spoiler

Been to Soul Hackers yet? Last one from the top

>>53902474
Oh wow, I forgot that the Tribrid option was even a thing. I really liked Vermin Lord but it felt as if it was lacking something, so maybe now I can combine it with some weaker (but interesting) demons to get the most 'me' effect.

Hmmm. Snakes would be considered vermin by biblical standards, wouldn't they?

>>53900417
If all drawbacks are revoked, I wonder what the assassins can do against the Jumper

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>>53903001
I mean, in terms of magic, maybe, but a lot of my biggest 'oomphf' comes from phoning in bigger fish from other worlds and being able to do so with a blank cheque. In terms of physical power, I peter out around solar system level. That's just my estimate, though - if I went EVEN FURTHER BEYOND, please inform me. This chain got confusing. Eternity jobs way too much in-universe so I only use them in tight spots to avoid tempting fate. And I wasn't in any position to establish any kind of covenant with the Tribunal at the time of Marvel Magic.

That said, if the Great Will is willing to help this early in the timeline, that measure is fixed handily enough.
>>53903039
Well. I'm sure we'll get along -swimmingly-. I just hop he doesn't throw a fit when a weird floating cat poofs the nukes out of existence. Wonder if he'd just resort to floods or plagues...? Those are classics.
>>53903075
Ooooof...yeah, that'd...that's so much of a coin toss I'm honestly not sure about it. This is a drawback I actually need to think about then just handwave it away.
>>53903079
Yeah, he just doesn't show up in that game, so I'm mostly considering the background information and pattern recognition, with a dash of fanwank.
>Checks the drawback in question
...welp. Time to share the brain meats again.

>>53902793
>Depends on what you mean by beasts? If you mean natural wildlife (which can look damn supernatural), then no.
That's not true at all. There are things like the Earth-Shattering Worms, Ash Devourers, Serpents of Colorless Fire, etc. And those are just the natural beings of Creation, if we're counting Wyld mutants than there are tons of magical creatures in Creation. It's just that they're not emphasized by the books. Exalted aren't D&D-style adventurers, random encounters with magical wildlife aren't what their stories are focused on.

>>53903079
>Demons? They're definitely sapient, where'd you hear that from? They do use Essence though.
Incorrect. Many species of demon are sapient, but not all. There are plenty that are either bestial or just so alien that they can't be called sapient. Firmin, Hopping Puppeteers, Annules, Badiak, Radeken...plenty of non-sapient First Circle Demons.

Way too late but to the anon who asked about Gold Dragons that don't have stupid looking wings:

There was a picture of a brass dragon (another metallic that normally has similar wings) who had more normal wings in official dragonlance art, since ravenloft is one of the settings connected to dragonlance you could use that jump to get a more normal looking gold dragon using whatever logic led to that brass having normal wings.

>>53903106
Well, going by SMT 1 and 2, we can measure that YHVH is at least two times stronger then Michael, the most powerful enemy in SMT 1, with a level of...116, I believe? In SMT 2, he's level 54, with YHVH being level 108. So, going by SMT 1, that would make him level 232. In other words, his stats might as well be "You Lose" compared to everyone else.

>>53903079
>But that's like trying to recreate your hometown by knocking down somebody else's buildings and pushing the rubble into the shape of your neighbourhood.

Are you saying that pile of rocks you cobbled together into a sofa doesn't bare a striking resemblance to the one in your neighbor's house?
More realistically though, it'd be like throwing meteors at a planet to try and move the tectonic plates and alter the atmosphere in just the right way for life on it to start evolving the way it did in ancient times.

>Also-that just leads to the question of how you're supposed to haul around the fattest Shinma that holds all the others inside itself.

Why would you need to move it? It defines spacial conditions in and of itself. You could also maybe literally place it inside your soul if you feel the need. The primary issue is making the Fat Shinma and getting the Pure Chaos inside to behave the way you want, and to produce Proto-Primordials. At that point, it's just a matter of waking them up.

>>53903106
The Great Will seems to work behind the scenes, giving certain people the chance to become a Messiah in order to defy YHVH and the other major powers. Note, this is just a chance. We see in one of the DLCs of Apocalypse that the heroes actually DO fail, at least once, and have to be revived. This implies that, despite everyone talking about how YHVH is just an avatar of the Great Will, that He actually has a lot of control over it and it has to work in the background in order to even give humanity a chance to stop Him.

>>53903106
Solar System? That might be enough. Beings in SMT tend to be glass canons, though it's possible he'll null everything you throw at him depending on where you focused.

>>53898957
I like to sit by the fire, lay down the rug, pour out some coffee, sick into my chair, rape the maids, read a good book, and relax.

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>>53903238
>sick into my chair
>rape the maids

Wait what

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>>53903238
Dammit Shiki

>>53902846
Let's see, the Behemoths I can remember:

Arad the Hunter: Giant caveman who has powers for tracking and killing, and gains limited access to the powers of those he eats.

Mother Bog: Sapient ecosystem, moves very slowly but can overwhelm entire countries. Likes to reanimate corpses into weird fungal zombies.

The Redwood Mantis: A mobile redwood tree in the shape of a mantis, aside from being big there isn't much notable.

The Clay Man: The original prototype of humanity, a creature of living earth. In 2nd Edition was actually the prototype of the Jadeborn, and his current appearance is the result of the other Primordials taking him apart to study Autocthon's work to learn how to make humans and putting him back together wrong.

Mokrellus the Many-Handed: Physically unimpressive, just a guy with a dozen arms. But he's actually the hub for a huge hive-mind stretching across Creation, in theory any mortal can be inducted into Mokrellus's being. Has his fingers in a lot of pies.

Sayla: Dragon-looking thing with claws and teeth made of spirit-trapping crystal, uses this to enslave both elementals and the ghosts of those she slays. Reported to guard a horde of that crystal, as well.

Halkolem: A weird dragon made out of books. Hangs out in Malfeas most of the time, technically not bound and could leave whenever it wants. Knows everything anyone it eats ever knew.

Mount Mostath: Part glacier, part mammoth. Hangs out in the north and somehow herds the other mountains around.

Oliphem: Giant stone golem with a single giant glass eye. Guards the sea and guides ships to safe passage. Has been doing a poor job of this ever since a Solar Exalted by the name of Desus (Polyphemus and Odysseus, Oliphem and Desus, get it?) shattered his eye to keep him from aiding the Lintha. Hates Solars for this reason.

Can Path of Death from Age of Wonders affect animals? How fast is "slowly"? One would assume that it only takes a few hours at most, considering the description refers to it noticeably taking effect even while walking, but it's not entirely clear.

>>53903296
Oh, wait, I remembered one more: Juggernaught. Giant embodiment of the concept of strength. I always forget that he's a behemoth and not a hecacthonire because he's associated with the Mask of Winters. Larquen infected him with a necromantic plague in order to control him and use him as a giant kaiju-palace, so even though he's technically not undead he sure looks like it.

>>53903296
>Halkolem

Well now I just feel awkward given my build in Imawabi no Dakini was book-dragon.

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What would be some cool SMT tri-fusions for a jumper focused on gore, cosmic horror, and familial love?

>>53903296
>>53903324
Pretty interesting, senpai. Thanks.

>>53903355
Lord of Vermin (Humanity), Vile (what Nyarlathotep is), and something else. Vampire, maybe?

>>53903355
Corpse, Azathoth/Cthugha, and... uh, your choice? I can't think of something with a family theme.

>>53903355
Alice, Belial, Nebiros

>>53903378
>>53903412
I completely forgot Nyarlathotep was a thing, and didn't know about Azathoth/Cthulhu at all. Those are some pretty good options, so thanks.

And yeah, the family part is kinda hard. Shub Niggurath would mesh nicely with the others, but that would require going into the spinoffs, which isn't strictly allowed.

Either way, I'll think of something. Thanks again!

>>53903467
These snuck in while I was replying. Alice would be interesting, covering a kind of twisted object of parental love while possibly leaking over into the gore aspect at the same time.

>Yuki Yuna is a Hero
>Trump Card

Do the restrictions exclude sea gods?

>>53903596
Sea Gods are okay to choose for your starting Trump Card. They are not associated with the sky.

>>53903657
Neat, thanks!

>>53902034
A chance for a coup d'etat.

The Dogs of War jump when?

So I hear that we can expect a Desolate Era jump. Good news. Do we have any other xianxia type jumps in the pipline?

Has anyone staarted working on a Generic Point-buy RPG jump?

>>53903793
How would you even make that a thing.

>>53902274
check the notes it was updated to disallow that since everyone was doing it.
>>53898957
mine, I just whistle and a nice fluffy tiger comes over me to nap on.
>>53903793
That sounds OP as fuck.

>>53903793
No. We mostly work with settings and genres, not gameplay systems.

>>53902405
Aww.

>>53903756
When I'm done with DE you could possibly expect a Stellar Transformations Jump.

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>>53903230
I always figured that while he is a small chunk of the Great Will, he's also the vital control chunk. Like the exact bundle of neurons in the brain that generates consciousness, and the rest of the Great Will is just blindly flinging levelups and great destinies into the void between worlds.

>>53903174
>>53903131
Oh yeah, those guys. Actually does the Clay Man have a statblock somewhere, or is he still just in the fluff?

...it's so weird to realise I've been discussing Exalted way, way more here than in /exg/.

>>53903224
>why would you need to move it

Well...the defining spatial conditions thing would be an issue because by the same token, that'd be hard to bundle into the warehouse. Unless you made them INSIDE the Warehouse to start with, I guess? Still, your stuff's probably going to get super disorganized when suddenly Florp and Slood and Fat are as inseparable as time, space and identity in there.

Also something tells me putting experimental shinma in your souls is the concept version of gargling with pepsi and mentos, because you'd be effectively grafting brand new facets of existence in yourself with, realistically, very little means of predicting how they'd react to an existing reference point.

Timelessness ceasing to be already seems like a pretty danged big change.
>>53903355
....Azathoth is a race in SMT?

>>53904078
>Oh yeah, those guys. Actually does the Clay Man have a statblock somewhere, or is he still just in the fluff?
He had one in 1e, I don't think he has one in 2e.

Let's talk about Fetich Souls. How many do you have? What themes do they embody? What's your relationship with them? Do they appear frequently in your stories or you just forgot to use them after you wrote them for the first time?

>>53904078
>Also something tells me putting experimental shinma in your souls is the concept version of gargling with pepsi and mentos, because you'd be effectively grafting brand new facets of existence in yourself with, realistically, very little means of predicting how they'd react to an existing reference point.
Maybe I'm just a little bit crazy, or desensitized at this point from having so many precautionary measures and perks that make me immune to the consequences of my own actions, but that just sounds funny to me. It also probably isn't flattering that my next immediate thought was 'then I'll shove it in some other poor asshole's soul to see what happens first!'

On a related note, I'd probably not actually go through with it until I've spent a few centuries planning it out and deliberating on the consequences of my every action from inside frozen time, and would then try to make the system wholly self-contained and self-neutralizing so it recycles or disperse's into whatever it is that Shinma aren't.(because the Shinma are not universal entities as far as I understand)(There are also regions of the Wyld outside the range of the Shinma that defines existence and nonexistence, so there is definitely some wonky shit going on with these things, considering that there's obviously stuff over there.)

>>53904078
He appears in a lesser known MegaTen game at least. Funny enough, he's not even halfway to max level, IIRC.

On another note, there are way too many fucking demons. This might take awhile.

>>53904168
I honestly am still figuring mine out. I was trying to figure out how to optimize the performance of everything I got from Infernals like Ramethus did. I just wish I had a way to actually be related in some way to that motherfucker, because the idea of a primordial who redesigned himself to be as good as possible at fucking up Exalts was just too cool for me.

>>53903174
Anuhles and Radeken are sapient though.

Anuhles aren't any less sapient than other demons, and are actual pretty damn smart with 5/3/3 mental stats. This is spider discrimination.

Radeken are pretty stupid, granted, but they occasionally show sentiment/compassion and their usual goal if they manage to get to Creation is to purposefully set themselves up as petty tyrant-gods.


That said, there's also the infernal beasts as usually (there are exceptions there though, like the Unju) non-sapient demons considered below even the 1st Circles, like the Peghedu, Skittering Steeds or the Riwannon, Living Pavilions.

>>53904168
I was really tempted to go for them, since Fetichs are pretty awesome. But in the end I decided my 3rd Circles didn't really need the boost.

Anyway, the 3rd Circle who /would've/ been my Fetich is the one who takes the form of the aurora borealis lighting my inner world. He embodies my trickster-y themes and search for amusement, making him the 3rd Circle who most pushes for me to do FUN things. Also, probably a bit of vanity.

He's kind of annoying to be around for long periods of time, honest. Good in small doses though.

He doesn't appear a lot, since he mostly stays in my inner world like the rest of my 3rd Circles. Mostly he shows up for the occasional guest appearance or whenever I call all my 3rd Circles as backup.


Hm... I still need to give him a Domain after further elevating him the Marvel godhood with the Skyfather... not sure what'd fit...?

>>53898810
Teaching perks only have 1 cap shared with faculty and it specifically limits you to wuxia style martial arts.

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>>53904168
John, the Holy Voyager: Throughout my flames, a comet voyages. At least, it looks like a comet from a distance; up close it's fractal infinitude makes one realise it's the same version of /every/ conceivable comet, evolving and competing against itself. In it's wake it leaves plasmic trails that coaslesce into worlds, artifacts and other wonders. Atop it, a tall, laughing man with flowing locks of space for hair, finest marble for skin and supernovas for eyes hold his own reins; think Fabio by way of Kars.

John is my conviction and temperance, the drive that motivates me to keep jumping. He seems like the friendly, party kind of cosmic being-and plays up that impression so nobody figures out how machiavellian he can be. Off the clock he has an affinity for simpler hobbies like videogames, cooking and playing the guitar.

I see a lot of myself in him. It's like looking through my college photos.

Islinde, the Forsaken Nebula: Despite my best efforts, in every part of me that can be said to have a sky that sky is always a shimmering, splendid night. Colours beyond human perception shining as far as eye and scanner can see. The wisest astronomers will notice something else: That it is but shattered fragments. Because I didn't mean to have her, and tried to smash her when she first popped up.

Islinde's humanoid form's features shift constantly-but I've been told she personifies elegance and grace, like some "platonic ideal of DIsney princesses". For my sins, she embodies my compassion and valor. I keep her humanoid form chained up in a castle to minimise her influence upon my worldforms, but it's a convenient stand-in when I'm obliged to appear female for some reason.

...unfortunatley, my fetiches have an OBNOXIOUSLY healthy sibling affection. John keeps trying to sneak Islinde out to go carousing in the bits of me I pay less attention to. Or delivering her presents from his adventures.

Okay, but seriously though, are the Primordials just big and fancy Raksha or not? Because the more I read about them, both Raksha and Primordials, the less I can tell if there's any meaningful difference or if there's even a difference at all.

>>53904580
I don't think even WW knows for sure.

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>>53904580
It's deliberately ambiguous. It's sometimes suggested as one possible origin story, but at least by the relevant eras Exalted takes place in they have a very glaring difference.

Raksha are inherently fickle and formless, while Primordials are inherently monomaniacal and naturally express and enforce certain consistent supernatural laws on everything around them-be it what we think of as "reality", or the formless chaos of the Wyld. If a Raksha spends too long in reality, it shatters. If a Primordial spends too long in reality, reality starts to resemble the Primordial. Raksha also universally have an affinity for narratives and dream logic, whereas Primordials tend to express themselves through more specific concepts like "kingship" or "darkness" or "strength".

And of course-finally, Raksha are much, much smaller on every level compared to Primordials.

The Unshaped come much closer to being Primordial-like than the Raksha, since they both tend to look like landscapes and have (far fewer) subsoul-like symbiotic beings as parts of themselves.

Anyone know if a Pathfinder jump is in the works? Or maybe some kinda generic d20 we can wank into PF?

https://pastebin.com/hPrKPaW2

Some items for Bastard, at least what we have done for the first 4 origins, the first set of origins. We'd really like some help for the missing 100 items from these four, because we're quite stuck here. Any suggestions are super duper welcome. Monster isn't getting a 400 item because of other things they get elsewhere in the jump.

>>53904580
The main differences are that Primordials are vastly larger and more powerful... And more fundamentally, that they're constant and enforce their own reality.

Primordials have their themes, and they can't change those without mutilating themselves. Raksha, on the other hand, formlessly take and discard shapes, themes, and narratives as they like.

That said, it's deliberately left vague how much they have in common with Raksha/Unshaped, and there are contradictory stories on their origins, all of which are only meant as legends/tales.

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>>53904671
I'm not very familiar with the setting, but I'll give it a shot;

>Dark Schneider

Some sort of powerful magical hair gel that gives your hair the same magnificent '80s glam rock look he has?

>Horseman

Fancy, pompous robes with huge pauldrons that somehow don't impede your movement and you always look sharp in?

>Kingdom

A piece of jewelry that symbolises you? Not as powerful as Satan's of course, but at least something that makes a strong impression that adds to your highness

>monster

Hidden lair to lurk around in?

>>53904648
I actually have a running theory that the Primordials are really old Unshaped who grew so big and became so powerful because they merged with or ate a Shinma or something and partially became a defining part of reality. That or a Shinma coalesced inside them, causing them to become obviously more consistent and stable while also becoming the weird world bodies they always have, with all the weird meta-context that every one of them comes with.

>>53904724
Those are pretty good. We might take advantage of all of that except the Horseman one, since that's already covered elsewhere. Thank you.

>>53904652
The only one I know of is a SB exclusive jump.

>>53904788
Primordials don't really define reality outside themselves though (at least not without actively messing with things), so I don't really think they're Shinma-like things.

>>53904837
Shinma don't define reality outside themselves either. Shinma aren't universal beings, they're localized and they overlap but there are other regions of the Wyld with different Shinma. It's why I think it's possible that the Primordial's are just Unshaped that have a Shinma coalesced inside them.

is kamen rider heisei still not complete yet?

>>53904916
I meant more that the Shinma define things that aren't themselves.

Like, Nirguna makes it possible for things to exist, but these things are not Nirguna. And so on for each of them, they have a passive influence on things around them.

Primordials on the other hand only define themselves.

Sure, the Shinma have an "area" (or whatever passes for an area for these things, when you get outside Nirupadhika and thus don't have spatial relations anymore) within which they affect things, but that's the area of the influence they have on things, not anything physical like a Primordial's world-body.

>>53905011
Except they define things other than themselves all the time. Like, what the heck is Oramus if he's not defining the world through defining himself? They may 'only define their own existences', but in doing so they contextualize everything around them because their existences extent beyond themselves into the things they associate themselves with.