Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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This Word Bearer is such a bro, and almost inspired me to start a pure summoning list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQPEwaVguLk

>>53882589
Oh shit that's new art isn't it

Looking for some fluff on blood ravens armies for help building a fluffy list.
Does anyone know anything that might help? Any books or records of how blood ravens tend to organize their armys?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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>AdMech HQ's can't repair Imperial Knights
>DarkMecha HQ's can repair Renegade Knights

Just fuckin kill me, FW.

Which Grey Knight units are good in 8th?

>>53882637

They should allow AdMech HQs to repair AdMech aligned Knight houses but not Imperial ones.

>>53882637
That's what you get for being a loyalist dog.

>>53882589
Where are Squats?

>>53882653

Draigo, Libarians, Strike Squads, Terminators, Paladins, Razorbacks, Land Raiders, not sure about the other units but they shouldn't have too many shit units.

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Is Boss Snikrot good now? What about Kommandos? Are Shoota Boyz still good?

>>53882637
Just wait until IA14.

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Has anyone use or played against Hellions? How do they fare in 8th?

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>>53882668

>>53882621

Blood Ravens are Codex-adherent, but Librarians often take Lieutenant positions, if not assume the position of Company Commander should the commander eat it.

They also have more Librarians than normal, so they have to organize to accommodate them with an expanded Librarium, and it's not uncommon for multiple Librarians to be attached to a company at a time.

>>53882657

I'm actually thinking they should release a kit of that crazy AdMech-looking character in that one image of a Knight, the one where it's heralding it leaving and there's a Cherub carrying a huge sword behind it.

IIRC, those things have specific names and their job description is basically "Enginseer, but for Knights" and they carry gear large enough to deal with a Knight's massive systems and repair needs.

Are Sternguard worth taking for heavy flamers and combi Meltas? Vulkan has to party and im wondering if i should just run company veterans with meltas flamers and a power weapon

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Is this list a good counter to mainly horde IG supported by a handful of tanks?

Chappys any good? Been meaning to convert one but I dont play any assault units but terminators so never really saw a reason to

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>>53882698
ur running khorne berserkers against a horde, you have won already.

>>53882686
Sacristans

>>53882715
What the fuck is that a Neanderthal??

>>53882698

>Is this list a good counter to mainly horde IG supported by a handful of tanks?
*checks list*
pffffthahaha...
No, man. That's not gonna do it.
The only real way to beat horde spam is with horde spam, or a very small number of other OP units.

>>53882617
new-ish. it's from shield of baal I'm pretty sure.

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Does nobody in the Imperium use war dogs? The Space Wolves use their... Space wolves, but those aren't dogs.
How does the IG seriously have no K9 units?

>>53882725
never heard of andre the giant? he was in a few popular movies too like the Princess bride

>>53882725
>doesn't know who is in anon's gif

fucks sake

>>53882612
>bro
>not an annoying shit that made me stop watching

>>53882740

Dogs are more valuable than conscripts, so there's no point.

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>>53882589
Nothing heavy weapon teams spam can't deal with

>>53882725
>not knowing Andre the Giant

Either foreign or underaged.

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>>53882717

Yes, those. Thank you.

This would make one hell of a kit, by the way. A thin, skinny, creepy techno-fucker who stands almost as tall as a knight, trailing cloth, paper, and mechadendrites while riding atop a mass a stilted bionic legs and more mechadendrites, swarms of Cherubs and servo-skulls circling it.

>>53882740
Cyber mastiffs exist but they're an arbites thing I think.

>>53882725

You're worse than the midgets.

>>53882745

Yeah I didn't understand why he thought he was such a great guy either. Just seemed like a typical annoying /tg/ faggot to me, just slightly less awkard than the average one. Not even normie level, let alone bro tier.

>>53882757
>you will never receive routine maintenance from a thicc Sacristan babe with no flesh on her face

>>53882740

There are actual dogs. Most get bionics to help them do their jobs, but there's likely a number of more or less normal dogs running around on feral and feudal worlds, as well as those in the company of even Hive Worlders, at least those well off enough to afford the luxury of pets.

>>53882683
Savage.

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>>53882725

Andre the Giant. You're either underage, or from the fuck ass of nowhere.

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>>53882725

Here he is holding a 12oz beer can.

>>53882727
CSM don't have a unit they can spam in endless tides. Cultists are too weak and vulnerable to morale. Berserkers chew through hordes like there's no tomorrow. What would you suggest?

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>>53882778
I want actual war dogs tho

>>53882681
Made a misstep and had them all blown off the board before I could try them. With the +str drug though they look fun on paper.

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First ever attempt at anything Tau related

Vanguard Detachment

Commander in XV86 Coldstar Battlesuit (3) - 163pts
1 Commander: High-output burst cannon,Missile pod,Advanced targeting system,Drone cntroller
2 MV1 Gun Drone: Two pulse carabines

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (10) - 413pts
1 Crisis Shas'vre: Plasma rifle,Advanced targeting system,Missile pod
1 Crisis Shas'ui: 2 Flamers,Advanced targeting system
1 Crisis Shas'ui: Burst cannon,Advanced targeting system,Cyclic Ion blaster
2 Crisis Shas'ui: 2 Burst cannons,Advanced targeting system
2 MV4 Shield Drone
1 MV7 Marker Drone: Markerlight
2 MV1 Gun Drone: Two pulse carabines

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (8) - 397pts
1 Crisis Shas'vre: Plasma rifle,Advanced targeting system,Missile pod
1 Crisis Shas'ui: 2 Flamers,Advanced targeting system
1 Crisis Shas'ui: Burst cannon,Advanced targeting system,Cyclic Ion blaster
2 Crisis Shas'ui: 2 Burst cannons,Advanced targeting system
2 MV4 Shield Drone
1 MV7 Marker Drone: Markerlight

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (8) - 397pts
1 Crisis Shas'vre: Plasma rifle,Advanced targeting system,Missile pod
1 Crisis Shas'ui: 2 Flamers,Advanced targeting system
1 Crisis Shas'ui: Burst cannon,Advanced targeting system,Cyclic Ion blaster
2 Crisis Shas'ui: 2 Burst cannons,Advanced targeting system
2 MV4 Shield Drone
1 MV7 Marker Drone: Markerlight

XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit (3) - 236pts
2 MV5 Stealth Drone
1 XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit: Fusion collider,Two fusion blaster,Shield Generator,Advanced targeting system

XV88 Broadside Battlesuits (3) - 197pts
1 Broadside Shas'vre: Heavy rail rifle,Two plasma rifles,Velocity tracker,2 Seeker missiles
2 MV7 Marker Drone: Markerlight

XV88 Broadside Battlesuits (3) - 197pts
1 Broadside Shas'vre: Heavy rail rifle,Two plasma rifles,Velocity tracker,2 Seeker missiles
2 MV7 Marker Drone: Markerlight

Total: 2000 points

>>53882812

You could have that, though probably in a game more like Inquisimunda, which does have rules for some animals as team-members.

>>53882671
They're good for sneaking behind enemy lines and assaulting out of it.

>>53882811
Poxwalkers might help.

>>53882828
Mixed-composition units is problematic for positioning, since they need to stick in unit cohesion. I'd recommend Crisis Suit teams have uniform loadouts.

So what's the word on Adeptus Titanicus?
And the rumors of Battlefleet Heresy?
Any chances of cross-play between the two Dropzone/Dropfleet style?

>>53882870

Cross-play would be entirely campaign rules.

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>>53882760
Yeah there was a model in Inquisitor.

>>53882812

Space Wolves are the only Imperial army that would use those. Necrons and Khorne also have a similar unit. You could try to glue bolters to their sides and use them as bikes, but those are the wrong base size.

>>53882828

Crisis are kinda meh too now, so suit spam won't go so hot.
But yeah, don't go random for weapons so as to ensure you can reliably shoot at full potential each turn.
Flamers go for flamer heavy squads otherwise you end up with models that can't do anything in a turn

>>53882863
They're comically easy to pick off at range, while everything not wearing Cataphractii armor outpaces them.

So in order to take Terminators in Deathguard I have to take a separate detachment correct? If I do and I also take a Terminators Sorcerer can that Sorcerer take spells off the regular Chaos Psyker list? I really want Warp Time in Deathguard.

>>53882811
>Cultists are too weak and vulnerable to morale

If you're not rolling groups of twenty with a Dark Apostle I don't know what to tell you, alternatively, wait until Renegades and just stock up on guard.

>>53882828
first, here are several points to take.
1. Always run crisis suits with one type of weapons
2. crisis commanders are better than crisis suits
3. Markerlights are very important, if you have none or too little (you would need at least 20 for that list) you will lose
4. Always run models in the smallest unit sie possible (so run crisis teams as 3 man teams)
5. never take shield generators on ghostkeels/stormsurge
6. seeker missile are useless
7. a commander with 4 fusion blasters is a better anti-tank model than a ghostkeel with all fusion
honestly that list is a mess, just tell me what you have and I'll make alist for you

>>53882725
>not knowing andre the giant
>never having watched princess bride
Shame anon, shame.

>>53882913
That can't compare with Conscript blobs with a Commissar. I don't think Chaos has the tools to out-horde IG, other solutions are needed.

>>53882899
Disregard, I can't read

>>53882870
AT is supposed to be out by the end of this year.

>>53882941
Renegades will come with a sniper rifle option, I'd be amazed if they didn't, and then just chuck a defiler or two at them.

>>53882753
0/10 modeled for advantage.

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Is there ever a reason to take bolt pistols over chainswords on bike units?

>>53882899
You can take a unified detachment using the "Chaos" and "Heretic Astartes" keywords. As of right this moment there's no penalty beyond things like Typhus' buff not working on non DG models.

>>53882698
Lightning claws on terminators. Remove the havoc launchers and use the tanks to tank care of armor.

>>53882962
I'm just going to take negative command points for it, correct?

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>>53882757

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>>53882725
i hope you've at least seen this

>>53882958
Enemy has a -1 to being hit in melee, but not shooting and you think you'll survive long enough to shoot at them in melee next turn.

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I had some time this morning, and anons were helpful last thread. i have a feeling that the lack of Synapse isn't as bad as it would be in 7ed, but this list seems to meet my "overwhelm and in your face" style of what nids could be
Thoughts?

>>53882925
Honestly I have jack shit, just thought it'd be fun to have an army of anime mechasuits

>>53882958
Not practically, no.

>>53882973
Not as long as you fit all the stuff neatly into detachments, no. You can sprinkle in daemons too if you feel like it, they have the "Chaos" keyword as well.

>>53882941
just drive a few rhinos into the conscript swarms, you don't have to kill them , just be able to to move past them to the juicier targets and stop them from camping objectives

>>53882725
>he doesn't know who andre the giant is
I want underaged ban to leave

How did Dreads fair in this edition? I have some standard ones and am wondering if an Ironclad or two might be worth picking up for a Dread centric force.

>>53882963
That's what the tanks are for, the Havoc Launchers were extra points I decided to throw into some additional firepower.

>Lightning Claws
Oh goody, for a mere 220 points I can field a whole five Terminators with three attacks each that are ludicrously overkill against any individual horde model. No thank you, Berserkers get three attacks for much less and can fight twice.

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>>53882612
>bro
That guy was the most irritating piece of shit I've ever seen in a batrep, and that's saying something considering it's MWG. Holy shit just listening to his annoying voice as he spewed his little ironic catch phrases made me want to blow my fucking brains out. Between that and the "memes irl" clothing, I just about died of second-hand embarrassment from watching this.

>>53883034
His 'girlfriend' is either a cute trap or a really ugly girl.

I have the astartes FW index EPUB, I want to put it in the mega, how do? also do I need to modify it in anyway before uploading?

>>53883033
If you're dealing with a horde, those lightning claws will do way better than power axes. Swap the combi-melta to flamer then.

Yes, the berzerkers are great, but I'm not sure if you can count on them to wipe out the _entire_ horde.

Anyhow, your call really, the axes are as "overkill" as the claws, you just lose an attack.

>>53882992
well in the current edition crisis suits are overpriced and a bit lackluster compared to crisis commanders.
A good mecha list would have stealthsuits, ghostkeels, broadsides, crisis commanders, stormsurges and FW XV109

It is Monday
Which means Forge World Monday

What do you expect to see? I think we'll see a few teases for the indices coming out Friday. Xenos got some shown already so maybe IG will too.

>>53883068
how did you get it in epub btw ?
does fw send it out ?

>>53883068
You don't need to modify it. Just upload to MEGA, which you'll need to make an account and then just make a shareable link.

>>53882990
See >>53883055

>>53883075
It's been on sale since Saturday.

>>53883070
The Terminators are there to deploy against his armor and any elite units he may bring along. Failing that they're a distraction from the incoming Rhino rush loaded with Berserkers and chainsword-touting CSM.

>>53883068
just upload it anywhere and post link here. somebody will get it into to OP mega.

>>53883072
Made to Order Blood Bowl Teams.

>>53883072
I expect the vendetta, DKOK artillery and renegade guardsmen
I don't expect anything Elysian which is unfortunate since I really want to use them already

>>53883089
Fair enough. I'd figure the Predators are enough for the armor, but I suppose you'd know your opponent better.

>>53883034
I don't know, I didn't mind him much and he runs fun converted armies. Certainly tossed some variety into their 30k stuff with cultists and daemons and EC Oh My! rather than endless AL failures and IW stomps.

>>53883071

Unless some neat rules come with the codex, pure suit seems lackluster. Need the chaff, troops, and drones.

FW stuff still has a bunch to be shown, like the Crisis, Hazard, 107, character dude, and I guess the Taunar to round off suits. Not mentioning the non-suits.

>>53883086
Yeah, but i figured i'd with those 3 going balls deep into the enemy's front line it would give the little guys time to catch up
I only made it in like 15 mins, so i'll have to research and refine

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>>53883075
you can buy it from warhammer digital, which I did because I couldn't be fucked waiting for someone here to buy it and upload it

>>53883078
Cool, let me know if this didn't work
mega(dot)nz/#!sHB3hICa

so a fully upgraded rhino can have 3 weapons? havoc launcher, combi-bolter and another combi weapon? or does the upgraded combi weapon replace the stock one.

>>53883123
>mega(dot)nz/#!sHB3hICa

You need to make it shareable. Otherwise it asks for a decryption key.

>>53883104
I don't know his exact army composition for 8th, just that he has over 200 painted basic troop models and he's favored blob with mech support in the past.

>>53882589
there was a link to the loyalist imperial armor index yesterday but i couldnt get the epub to load with kobi or readium; was that just a bad leak?

>>53883088
i know but i mean did forgeworld send out an epub to people who ordered the book
or can you buy an epub seperatly somewhere ?
asking cause i'm itching for my guard stuff i preordered the index but it's gonna take atleast a weekend for it to get here

>>53883123
>>53883129
try this it says this is the key
!84Tk2HnwPNVXKCcLV0I1SJbihVVJ3xJSW5dIbCMlV2s

>>53883143
Alright, downloading now.

>>53883116
Well I don't play pure suits, I run combined arms with flyers, infantry and drones to support suits.

>>53883139
ePubs are never free from GW/FW. Anon bought it off Warhammer Digital or the iTunes store.

>>53883123
Looks good Anon, hopefully whoever manages the MEGA downloads it.

>>53883139
you buy the epub seperately, but the guard one isn't for sale yet

>>53883143
>!84Tk2HnwPNVXKCcLV0I1SJbihVVJ3xJSW5dIbCMlV2s
Thank you anon, you are a true hero

>>53883123
Funny how the GW ePubs don't work on iPads but the FW ones work perfectly.

>>53883023
Dread can't take Drop pod anymore. Dreads overall are tougher but their point cost also increased, mainly because their melee weapon cost a whooping 40+ pts. Shooty dread are a bit cheaper.

Ironclad Dread are expensive as ball (well at least their power fist is free, the other "fist" is 45pts+ tho) Hurricane bolter are now rapid fire 6 (only cost 4 pts). and Assasult Launcher give a HoW-like ability (and it's free, and HoW are rare in this edition)

>>53883023
solidly. durable and lethal

>>53883139


http://www.warhammerdigital.com/warhammer-40000/featured/forces-of-the-astra-militarum-index.html

Or just wait until someone shares it on friday.

>>53883179
The Adeptus Astartes one doesn't work on iPads either.

>>53883153
I was mostly adding onto your advice for a suit spam setup

>>53883183
They can take the FW drop pod.

It may have already been answered, or right in front of my face but I can't see anywhere the points cost to upgrade sergeants in squads.

In particular Nobs in Boyz Mobs and Spanner Boyz in Burnas, do they just cost the same as a standard model in that unit or is there a page of info I'm missing.

I also can't see it written down that Nobz and Meganobz can still take Battlewagons as dedicated transports, are Orks really being forced that hard into footsloging green tide, because my trukks are still popping first turn regardless of the vehicle rules.

>>53882668
The index entry for imperium auxilia mentions them alongside Longshanks, Pelasomethings (the water dudes) and Beastmen as "rare in the guard, frequently persecuted."

I think Squats are better off than the other three because they can pass as ratlings.

>>53883205
Nobz are free and probably stuck with DT Trukks

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>>53883068
Is the Astra Militarum one available yet?
I need to know if my Korpsman are not shit
With how many drastic shifts are occuring in 8th, I'm getting super anxious

>>53883228
Nah, gotta wait till friday for that

How are thousand sons? Too elite?

Why do people even play Imperial Guard?

They aren't cool looking aliens or even threatening aliens.

They aren't cool looking guys in power armour or even threatening guys in power armour.

Seems so boring. A waste of your dedication.

>>53883242
Scarab occult termies look good, tzaangors are very okay, but the basic bitch guys suck (the termies out-perform them in every way other than the ability to spam flamers, which isn't very good on a M5 model).

If running a Tempestus Scions list, whats the best option for AT?

>>53883249
They're an appealing human faction because they are well supported unlike SoB, not mindless automaton like skitarii, and more down to earth than power armoured mary sues.

>>53883267
Scarab occult are about the same price as normal termies for a gimped smite and slightly better bolter fire. They have terrible CCW with no options.

Seriously, no chainfists and shit.

>>53883249

Tanks, probably.

If someone plays non-tank IG they're probably just a historicalfag who wants to play WWII guys.

>>53883249
Ordinary men facing off against a galaxy of horrors is the point.

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>>53883249
>Aliens
>Power Armour
>Not worst archetypes.
Beep Boop, you may think we're a cargo cult of idiots but at least we aren't dull.

As for the Guard, some people go in for playing the everyman, especially since SIGAOD appears to be back.

>>53883283
>still calling marines sues
>in 2017
>after Damocles Tau campaign came out
>after Primaris came out

At this point, non-Cadian IG themselves are already bigger sues than marinelets.

>>53883286
That's good background fluff but as your guys?

Seems boring.

>>53882757
That picture's great. 6th edition 40K Knights Codex, right? I think by the time their 7th edition book came out, GW's approach to art had changed to "Contains something that doesn't have a model we can sell to people? REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>53883283
>Skitarii
>mindless automaton
Go read Skitarius and get out

How sentient are Wraith constructs? Can they speak or can they only commune psychically? Can you actually have a conversation with them or merely guide them towards foes to crush?

>>53883249
>>53883286
This. I'm not a guard player, but I consider them cool for this reason. "Cadia broke before the Guard did" is fairly badass. The idea that these are just normal humans facing threats of a scale they can't even comprehend and somehow putting up an even fight is pretty cool.

>>53883234
I just wanna drown those fucking conscripts in so much glorious mortar fire from the other side of the table
Is that so wrong?

So, anybody know how that anon turned the chaos epub into a pdf?
I am having a hard time converting the imperial one.

>>53883299
Different strokes.

>>53883297
>mechanicumfag
>calling others dull
>the army of metal limbs and robes: the robening

Engineer type fags are the worst, in every single fucking game. Always mistaking their own shit taste for interestingness.

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So 8e has me excited to pick uo 40k again. Looking at my old counts as genestealer cult (5e GK henchmen army) and seeing how i can use them again.

This is what i have or can approximate with my current minis, presumably its not a viable army on its own. What changes should i make or extra minis to get for 8e?

>>53883305
Isn't that the one with the Skitarii General Grievous who dual-wields Arc Pistols and Arc Mauls with sweet spins? I have to read that.

>>53883308
>The idea that these are just normal humans facing threats of a scale they can't even comprehend and somehow putting up an even fight is pretty cool.

>marines are sues
>when weaker guys who have no right whatsoever to pull off the same feats do it, it's cool

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>>53883123
Eyy finally got to see Thulsa Kane and he's actually good, from >>53883123 this guys mega so it's legit

-1 to hit against him in melee and aura of extra attacks on 6's plus deals 4 wounds at a time against characters.

Also just like all other psykers Ahazra is super boring now

>>53883284
The soulreaper cannon is a strong special weapon choice, and rend -2 on their bolters is actually quite nasty. They also ignore one point of rending from damage 1 guns, which is nothing to sneeze at.

They'll be wounding on 4s against MEQs in melee, but they should be screened from melee against dedicated assault troops with your tzaangors anyway.

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>>53883249
Because in a galaxy of brutish aliens that can rip your arms out of your sockets with their claws or tentacles, horrible eldritch entities that create physics-bending mutants, and magical space wizards who wield weapons that slice through the thickest armor and can fire bolts of lightning from their fingertips, it's a special piece of awesome when all you are is this guy.

>>53883305
look I'm sure there is a spectrum of independence in the mechanicus forces, but my point is that the guard are more recognizably human.

>>53883275
Deepstriking meltas probably.

>>53883249
Is this meant to encompass all guard types?
I play Elysians since I love guys dropping from orbit with rapey dropships and automated turrets
>>53883285
ignoring elysians, how rude

>>53883323
To be fair, "putting up an even fight" in this case means sending countless numbers to their inevitable demises. IG doesn't really have flawless zero-casualty fights.

>>53883299
If you want to talk about gaming instead of fluff, there's the satisfaction of burying your opponent under a bucketload of dice, and unlike nids or orks, you do it before he even moves his models.

>>53882694
I think heavy flamer is lacking because of the range. If you can put it close enough reliably, it will shred infantry, light vehicles and even characters... or not, because d6 (tough luck rolling that 1 when you could have turned the tide, eh?)
I don't think there is a point in taking combi-meltas over classic meltas, since the special ammo is gone.
Did someone mathammered the bolter+melta shot at -1BS vs. just a melta shot? Same for all the combi-weapons.

>>53883321
Yeh he goes all general grievous right in the beginning of the book

>>53883332
Yeah, that's much better worded.

>>53883339
Makes sense. Was gonna run some Plasma Suicide Squads so could run Melta squads too.

Question: Space Wolves Iron Priest comes standard with Servo-Arm and Thunder Hammer. They have identical stats, except that the Arm has AP-2 instead of AP-3, and is limited to one attack per fight phase. Why would you ever make use of the Servo-Arm? Why is it there? I understand weapons which have max A per phase as a way to work in mixing melee weapons, but I see no reason to waste one of your attacks on the Servo-Arm when it would be better spent on the Hammer. What is the purpose of the arm?

>>53883285
>If someone plays non-tank IG they're probably just a historicalfag who wants to play WWII guys.
It used to be you HAD to have a decent amount of dudes because 2 troop choices unless you just went mech guard. I'm so exited I now actually have more than enough troop choices without having to have purchased Chimeras. I can finally focus on tanks.

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>>53883315
At least we HAVE two design elements. Found some radical way to repaint your power armour or rolling boxes, have you? The basic Skitarii kit alone has more details than the entire Space Marine infantry line, and most Xenos save Dark Eldar.

Also, things that mostly don't involve robes or metal limbs you could build an army around:
> Divisio Genetor abominations and flesh-augments
>Autokrator tank brigades
>Baskilion Astra voidsmen and aircraft
>Legio Cybernetica Cohorts
>Lachrimallae Cyber-Hybrid Carnivora (AKA Robot Dinos)
>Myrmidax Dakkamancer Cult
>Knight Sacristan Escorts
>Ordo Reductor siegebreaker Maniples
>Malagra Heretek-hunters
>Corpus Gloriosa human liason/expeditionary troops

Plus probably a bunch else I left out, not counting Archmagos-specific nonsense like Telok or Galatea. The Mechanicus is heug.

>>53883369
Only reason I'd think is if you are attacking something with a multiple wounds and either a bad armour or high invul and just want to deal the flat 3 wounds.

I read something that Death Guard are getting some unique vindicator. Anyone heard anything like that?

Also doesn't the demolisher cannon suck ass?

>>53883369
I guess because it's for consistency because the model has it and all "techmarine" equivalents have one.

>>53883323
>when weaker guys who have no right whatsoever to pull off the same feats do it, it's cool
well those weaker guys do tend to die in the millions while doing so, so yeah

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>>53883397
The Thunder Hammer also deals flat 3 wounds. Their stats are identical, except the Arm has one less AP.

So, there appears to be no restrictions on what chapters can take what out of the FW books. In 7th the non codex chapters like SW and BA couldn't take some of the FW stuff, but I guess they can now.

>>53883417
Also no information on the FW chapters' bonuses. Like wtf do my Red Hunters do now?

>>53882990
I would drop 2 lictors and bring deathleaper instead, since he's guaranteed a turn one charge on a character or anything they're standing next to.

>>53883396
Fucking this. If GW actually released rules and models for all the different sub-factions and variants of the AdMech in the lore they would outnumber every other Imperial faction combined, including all the various slightly-different flavours of boring Space Marine shit.

>>53883406
I suppose that makes sense. It would have been nice if they pulled one of those "You can make one additional attack with this weapon each time you fight" or something, to make it useful. As-is it's somewhere between wasting space on the datasheet and potentially confusing players who don't understand that it's a trap.

>>53883428
Deathleaper's ability is completely worthless shit against any decent player and is a good way to pay 90 points to auto-kill your model at the end of turn 3 before it comes onto the board.

>>53883323
What feats have normal men done that measure up to SM in the fluff? Yarrick I suppose?

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Why are Catachans the second main guard group and the only ones but Cadians with plastics?

They aren't very generic. They aren't overly interesting. They aren't overly popular. No one really likes Vietnam and it didn't have a particularly awe inspiring aesthetic.

I've seen more people who have gone out of their way to get Valhalla/Armageddon metal models or sold off their second kidney to get Forge World Kriegers than play Catachans.

Not really trying to dis Catachans but why were they made the IG's #2?

>>53883434
Speaking of traps...
Any opinions on traps in general?
I want to rail that one who posts here

>>53883428
I'm using the Lictors to spook my opponent
3 lictors and 3 Trygons in their back field, as well as the swarm from my deployment should really mess up their thinking

>>53883446
You're a faggot, feminine dicks are ok though

Can anyone tell me where it says that Tesla doesn't gain extra hits on 5s in overwatch? I'm sure that it's not intended since they need 6s to hit, but nothing I can find says they need to hit to Tesla. What am I missing?

>>53883310
screencaps and acrobat.

>>53883453
I wish I could see egoqueenalexis' femmecock

>>53883446
interesting post anon, you should put it on pol where it belongs

>>53883445

Because GW just makes whatever the fuck they want.
Seriously though, their plastics existing are proof that GW could make plastic sisters if they actually gave a fuck.

>>53883445
Because they appeal to Americans.

>>53883482

>>53883457
Tesla applies on 6's not 5's.

You can get it on 5's with the Overlord Buff and it just depends on if it's ruled as applying on player turn or game turn. if it's game turn then you overwatch on 5's and get the tesla bonus.

>>53883034
I like the 1 out of every 50 batreps where they have a sexy guy

There have been a few surprisingly

>>53883445
because if you dont like space rambo, you shouldnt be playing 40k

>>53883490
Modifiers don't apply to Overwatch.

>>53882621
Use of librarians in command positions. Fluff had them using divination powers prior to battle to get a gist of the eb and flow of the AO. Tactics would be planned around this like a game of chess where you knew your opponents moves ahead of time.
4th ed chapter traits had them focus around infantry with a few vehicles in an almost exclusive support role. Transports were uncommon and heavy armor very rare. Lots of use of infiltrate more to optimize position against the enemy than to just get closer for assaults. Bring the right tool for the job and all that.

How to run them fluffy in 8th I have no idea.

>>53883476
Why pol? That's for politics
Tg is for transgender discussions

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Daily reminder that orkfags are WAAC scum.

>>53883504
>>>/d/

>>53883510
Lewd

>>53883482
I honestly think its got more to do with them being an experiment a long time ago and them just being too fucking lazy to try and make any more plastic models so just keep using the shitty looking old ones. Most people would love plastic of many other armies but GW has invested money in to making them so they are trying to keep them in as long as possible

>>53882956

I don't know if this is bait, but in case it's not those are Elysians. That's the way they come, straight from FW.

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>>53883508

Made some progress on Space Wolves damage-calculations, will hopefully finish them tomorrow. Bjorn is a monster in melee.

>>53883523
Did you just assume my gender?

>>53882740
With the current rules you could just ally in cyberwolves and fenrisian wolves and then apply some "your dudes" to them right?

I've been wanting to do some SoB or IG with warhounds and do it like that. It always annoyed me that the creation tables had "This <group> uses animal companions in battle" and there wasn't a way to represent that.

>>53883341
>ignoring elysians, how rude
>he doesn't know about our awesome HALO dune buggy drops over Normandy

>>53883437
If he doesn't come in by turn 3 then he just made one of their characters worthless for most of the game by being in a transport or reserves and doing nothing.

>>53883523
I'm actually Chinese

>>53883528
Thanks! I appreciate it a lot.

>>53883520

They'd make a lot more money with plastics though.
Especially if they can make heads that aren't horrible looking, as they've recently shown they are capable of.
Just look at all the 3rd party companies selling plastic sob look-alikes. Those things are constantly sold out/on backorder.

Does Alexis have nudes?

>>53883341
I play Elysians too since I love being poor

>>53883540
Bad move, brother. The white devils hurl insults at Chinese on this board like soy sauce over white rice.

>>53883540
>>53883530

>implying im not a non gender binary transhuman
>being racist
XDDDDD

>>53883557
Alexis Perkey?

>>53883560
ey no insulting the chinaman here; he's the only reason i can afford forgeworld

>>53883488
Americans hate Vietnam.

>>53883559
>plays EDT and not DKoK with accurate reinforcement squads, meaning buying 2-3x the actual models in your army so your reinforcements can have new squad numbers
>implying you know what true poverty is

>>53883566
No you know who

>>53883568
Yeah, but we love Rambo

>>53883508
>WAAC scum
WAAC?

>>53883434
Yeah, that'd be nicer for the servo arms in general. One extra Sx attack etc. I mean, we do have to pay like 12 points for it and it's one attack so I dunno.

>>53883430
Or IG regiment for that matter.

>>53883565
>transhuman

Did you just assume my pre-ascension species?

>>53883568
But we love Rambo and Predator.

>>53883579
Win At All Costs

Ignore him he's retarded

>>53883571
i buy elysians from the chinaman and even then im still poor af and cant afford them

>>53883568

>racism
>cis gender-privledge
lol I bet you voted McCain

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>>53883568

>>53883579
WAAAGH! at all conventions

>>53883535
Or just bubble-wrapped handing out buffs.

>>53883445
They were the #1 until the 2nd 3rd ed IG codex hit. I have a shit ton of them and they're pretty hard to model, because it's like...flesh and stuff. Easier to recut and remodel clothing/pauldrons/etc.

>>53883544
You're quite welcome!

>>53883396
>>53883430
>literally none of those are in the tabletop game
>the models are literally the same shit repeated ad nauseum
>hur dur it has more detail because the metal legs on every model has pistons
>implies they have more detail "than the entire marine range"
>doesn't know about the shitloads of furs, angel wings, etc, and entire FW range that marine has

Yeah nice non-argument dipshit. The faction that has less units than a single marine codex has more variety than the unit type that has more units than every other race in the game, whose index is larger than all the other races put together.

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>>53883534
>he doesn't know about VTOL spam drops over Normandy either
shame, real shame
I literally started elysians since I wanted to play as the UNSC in 40k and halo ground command wasn't even an idea at the time.
>>53883559>>53883585
I too enjoy being poor, however I buy recasts and 3d print ODST heads for conversion
>>53883571
not even playing R&H zombie spam, pa-lease

>>53883591
I'm going to bed

AdMechfags truly are the worst. It's just that they never get called out on it for some reason, despite posting more binary shit and retarded techpriest image macros than even the accusations of Taufag wank or "HERESY BLAM LOL XD" shitposting.

>>53883449
That's a pretty good idea. Any nid army above 1k should field a Lictor for that reason alone.

Having said that...there isn't any limit on what movement phase your "reserves" come in, right? So like, if you have the last turn, you can reserve a crapton of deep strikers and flood an objective that way (or 2nd to the last turn so they can run to the objective).

>>53883606
If you don't deploy by turn 3 you lose those units in matched.

>>53883606
They have to be on the field by T3 or they are destroyed.
Objs work on a "more models = control" so single deep strikers aren't great - hence i have that 6 squad of Rippers

>>53883604
wat

>>53883502
>How to run them fluffy in 8th I have no idea

Play DoWIII and find out!

>>53883540
That's a new gender I've never heard of.

I'm going to bed now wish me nighty

>>53883599
Their literally "power armoured guys, power armoured guys with jump packs, power armoured guys but all heavy weapons, power armoured guys on bikes, power armoured guy with a flag, rhino chassis vehicle, rhino chassis vehicle, rhino chassis vehicle, rhino chassis vehicle, rhino chassis vehicle, power armoured guys but with special issue ammo this time, power armoured leader guy with a sword and iron halo"

Space Marines is samey garbage ad nauseum.

>"Hurrrrr mine are painted red and their jump pack power armoured guys have fake angel wings on the jump packs, so diverse and different, we have a special dreadnought that is indistinguishable from a normal dreadnought, and another one that gets painted black instead of red"

Wow fascinating.

>>53883034

I was more annoyed about the way he rolls his dice by throwing them against the scenery.

>>53883577
>>53883582
Rambo and Predator really made up for the whole war?
Hu...

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>>53883626
Nighty random sleepy ass Anon.

>>53883626
Night night

>>53883445
cadians and catachans where the best selling metal guard at the time

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I'm relatively new to painting, and I just finished this tonight. As finished as it's going to be at least.

What do you guys think about it?

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>mfw preordered a starter for $100 just to sell the minis for $110 an got a free 8ed rulebook
Feels good.

>>53883528
Thanks.
Did you already mathammered combi-weapons, as >>53883354 suggested? I don't think it would take that much time so if you have a hole in the planning, it might be interesting.

>>53883591
Yeah, but you get to choose which character he appears next to after they've deployed everyone so just don't pick someone you can never reach. Also even then he's still exerting pressure on how they position they're units to keep him away.

>>53883642
Nice smooth red ya got there Anon. Would enslave or experiment on/10

Power points are pretty weird sometimes.

>Fenrisian Wolf M10" WS3+ S4 T4 W1 A2 Ld4 Sv6+
>Cyberwolf M10" WS3+ S4 T4 W2 A3 Ld4 Sv4+

Cyberwolf: 1 PP per model.
Fenrisian Wolf: 2 PP for five with a Ld bonus for having lots.

2 armor, 1 wound, and 1 attack vs just having 2.5 wolves for the same point.

>>53883642
Decent. Really decent, very accurate and clear, but a bit flat. Add some highlights.

>>53883631
I mean, the war ended before I was born, but I have seen both of those movies.
So, yeah, I guess so?

>>53883599
>>53883627
C'mon guys, this is getting pathetic

>>53883640
I mean aside from cadians im not sure any of the other IG deserve plastics

>>53883123

Thanks anon!

>>53883634
nice dog

>>53883695
Thanks, his name is Chevy

>>53883642
Paint too thick on some parts THIN YOUR PAINTS, red too uniform, you should edge-highlight the huge vertical line at least.

>>53883599
The basic unit of your army is a dude in dull power armour with a normal-looking rifle. The basic unit of a Skitarii army is a mechanical dude with segmented armour, cables, a data-recorder backpack with rad-censer, sweet robes and an atompunk archaic rifle of some kind.

Most of the Marine units are the same ones with a different coat of paint or gun, or a headswap. In the Skitarii book alone there are Skitarii, which are notably different to Sicarians, which are notably different to Dragoons, to Domini, to Dunecrawlers, to Electro-priests, to Kastelans and so on, not even counting the Forge World nonsense with Krios and Vulturax and such.

I count four archetypes in the Marine army:
- Power Armour guy with various attachments
- Termie Armour guy with various attachments
- Box with wheels or wings
- Tall power armour monopose guy.

Of course you have less detail, you're little Timmy's starting faction. Forge World Admech at least matches FW Marines, and our GW codexes have WAY more variety of shit.

Remember GW looks to Facebook as a source of feedback
40k will be shaped by social media

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>>53883631
Not him but a lot of Americans find Vietnam interesting from a military and aesthetic perspective. Mass scaled air calvary was pretty cool especially considering the terrain. You didn't really have a dedicated front much of the time instead you had isolated combat zones that needed resupply and reinforcement from the air along with danger close air and artillery support.
Also the soldiers personalizing a lot of their gear with trinkets and slogans became a very iconic image of the average grunt in US culture. The colonial marines in Aliens were heavily inspired by them and it adds a lot of modelling potential.

>tfw if you redid your IG army you would go full Catachan with Elysian rules
>Creed Cadianwater Revival intensifies

>>53883631
Yes.

>>53882828
Try the supreme command detachment with commamd suits. Its very strong.

>get gift card
>everything on ebay is just as or more expensive than buying directly from gw
I just want some cheap minis, anyone know of a place that ships to leaf land?

>>53883659
I've kinda skimmed over Combi-weapons when I did other SM chapters and Orks, but I'm doing them a bit more thoroughly here in Space Wolves. I can definitely add a separate page properly comparing Combi-Weapons and their non-combi-counterparts. A major factor is the base BS of the firing unit, as the -1BS is a different % loss depending on what you started at. IE Orks going from BS5 to BS6 hurts much more than Marines going from BS3 to BS4.

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>>53883695
>>53883705

Nuh uh her name is Kylie and she's a need bat/dog/cow hybrid. Also thanks!

Any anon have a mega url that has Dark Imperium on it?

>>53883730
How can you miss the obvious that hard.

>>53883714
alright i guess you win, we should all play admech
???

>>53883642
you can highlight the rivets, either silver or the dust color youre using

So, as I plan out this Scions list, designed up like Colonial Marines from Aliens (to match my Xenomorph Nids), I feel an intense desire to take a Deathstrike.

I've been being tongue in cheek a bit. Got some drop plasma squads for the phased plasma pulse rifles," gonna run some units with missile launchers, maybe a Manticore, for "tactical smart missiles." Volley guns for smartguns, but the Deathstrike gives me a big "Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" feel even if its really not good.

>>53883735
now I don't know who to believe

any updates or rumors on when the primaris grav tanks will be released? I...I need a few.

>>53883320
Well a squad of 10 genestealers isn't too good when they get the bonus for being above 10, so change that squad up to like 12/13. You want rock cutters rather than rock saws on Acolytes.

You want a third squad of troops, so you are actually using a battalion detachment. Then for the Leman Russ, the normal battle cannon is arguably better and Heavy Flamers can help protect it from being spam charged by chaff.

Hope that helps.

Am I the only one that kinda likes the idea of having my Grey knights be smaller than the new Marines, I quite like the idea of little squads of true badass daemon killers on 25mm bases even though it's not fluff friendly at all.

>>53883712
Because I'm horrible at this still, what color should I be using to Highlight? Would a light silver/white or a lighter red be better?

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Is it just me or are others a bit surprised as well about how badly Primaris are having their asses handed to them in batreps?
The only ones that seem to be any good are the jetpack ones

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>>53883730
Still had Catachan.

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>>53883508
>orkfags are WAAC scum.
Ork players are th best players

>>53883330
Sly Marbo is that you?

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What sort of Hellforged stuff should I bring for Dark Mechanicus?

>>53883768
Not entirely, no, given looking at the recent track record of stuff in AoS, a lot of the 'new' stuff is actually pretty crap, because GW at times is erring on the side of making things priced higher and being overly cautious with newer stuff.

>>53883778

A horde of dominions with meltaguns in melta-immolators?

>>53883612
>>53883617
Where is that in the rulebooks? Can't seem to find it.

>>53883714
Nailed it.

Like, a Space Marine Captain with a powerfist is basically just a Space Marine Sergeant with a powerfist but one little bit attached on the top of his backpack and maybe they painted his helmet a different colour, while a Tech-Priest Dominus is CLEARLY a totally different model, different size, silhouette, build, armament, everything, from a Skitarii alpha. It is literally impossible to mix them up even if you've never heard of 40k before.

Space Marine "diversity" is taking a Rhino, adding different weapon options, and calling every single one of them a different unit. Razorback, Whirlwind, Predator, Hunter, Vindicator, all literally the same fucking box with a different turret.

They do that same shit with everything in the book, while AdMech says "here's an Onager Dunecrawler with 4 weapon options, oh and it's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MODEL from our other Walker with a different style and number of legs".

>>53883715

I've posted feedback there
You should too unless you want shitters to decide the codex balance

>>53883762

>Knightlets
Lmao

>>53883778
About 4000 points of conscripts

>>53883783
Take a Stormbird converted from a whale

>>53883778
>toughness 16
>70 wounds
>3+ save

We're going to need Fabius Bile.

>>53883768
Hopefully that gives hope for Chaos in the world wide campaign. BURN THEM ALL!!!!!

>>53883778
Conscripts, wych cult, acolytes, orc boys

>>53883802
Or about 120 lascannon shots.

>>53883768
>Is it just me or are others a bit surprised as well about how badly Primaris are having their asses handed to them in batreps?
After seeing their profiles and points costs? No one should be surprised about this.

They're just two tac marines stapled together to make them more vulnerable to multi-damage weapons, but they only get one gun to share between them.

>>53883768
If I had to guess their lack of options prevents them from excelling at anything and higher price prevents mass bolter fire from being as effective while their 2 wounds doesn't mean as much as one would think with all the weapons that can do d3/d6 or 2+ damage at once now. They're perfect target for overcharged plasma, too.

I feel like Inceptors might be good but I haven't seen or used them yet. T5 and assault 6 heavy bolters with less range.

>>53883783
bring some marines, they are more detailed anyway

>>53883802

>8000 points of units lost in failed morale test
Ha

>>53883778
That's one sonofabitch of a model. I wonder if my entire army could even kill it.

>>53883803
Imperial Guard will single-handedly shit down Chaos' neck in the global campaign.

Also most xenos players I talk to seem to be in agreement that all our wins will be taking points from Chaos to teach them a lesson for gloating about the whole "haha Imperium vs Chaos is the spotlight of 8th edition" faggotry.

>>53883821

You get 4k points to kill it

>>53883822

>Imperium expects xenos to throw them unconditional support
Choke on my npcs

>>53883822
It's like you don't want crawl to order 66 and start the dark mechanius faction!

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>>53883811
>robefag so btfo he starts sarcastically repeating his blatant lie

holy shit this is fucking hilarious

why dont you sperg out and tell us more about your super interesting "flesh shaping" shit that 99.9% of beep boop fags have no interest in otherwise they'd have already played DE

you niggas can't even get a different robe for all your robed faggots. your fucking HQs look like a pokemon evolving

>>53883832
My entire collection is 4650 points of Eldar. I think it could table me in about three turns.

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>>53883508
Which episode HITB are you watching, anon and why aren't you watching BOTW?

Unrelated, I've come to /tg/ to ask how this list is for a first time CSM player:

HQ
>Typhus
>Malignant Plaguecaster

ELITES
>Noxious Blightbringer
>Hellbrute with Power-Fist/Plasma Cannon

TROOPS
>20x Poxwalkers
>20x Chaos Cultists with Autoguns
>7x Plague Marines (1 Champion w/Plaguesword Power Fist, and Bolt Pistol, 1 Marine w/Plasma Gun)
>7x Plague Marines (1 Champion w/Plaguesword, Power Fist, and Bolt Pistol, 1 Marine w/Plasma Gun)

FAST ATTACK
>Foe-tid Blight Drone

1240/1250 PTs.

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>>53883822
>Bootlickers throwing their lot in with filthy Xenos

And people wonder why we turned to Chaos in the first place.

>>53883850
What do you think moron. Where are all the faggots saying primaris lieutenant with bare head was a deathwatch conversion. where are all the faggots saying you can take 5 celestines.

>>53883659
Threw together a basic Combi-Weapons page just using BS3 as a base. Unsurprisingly, the Combi-Weapons dual-shooting provides a nice buff when firing at targets that a Boltgun is effective against (light infantry+light vehicles to a lesser extent), but versus heavier targets where the Plasma/Melta is pulling the weight, the -1 BS hurts more than the bit of S4 fire helps. Combi-Flamer is great for killing mooks. Base BS3 Combi-Flamer will kill two GEQ's per turn on average.

>>53883832
Chaos prolly pays more. My filthy Xenos wanna twirl moustaches and shit.

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>>53883655
>mfw im buying just the minis for 110 from some rando on craigslist, but im really just gonna shank him and take the models
feels good

>>53883850
No one could actually be dumb enough to think they could do that anyway. Was probably just trolls.

>>53883850

They aren't really btfo, since the FAQ basically admits the rule wasn't working as intended.

>>53883730
vietnam transends the country, its any jungle with men in green camo, all muscly armed and sweaty with big guns fighting either aliens or illegal aliens
the movie avatar was space vietnam

>>53883778
570 ratlings is around 4k points and deals 63 auto-mortal wounds in a single volley, plus around 10 unsaved wounds. I have no idea how void shields work though.

>>53883842
>>53883846
Spam your own titans then
Open your wallets for forge world

>>53883873
No it doesn't, it says they're fucking retarded for not understanding the intent which is all that ever matters

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>>53883849
I decided to upload it as an image so people actually see.

>>53883841
>he doesnt know that each ranger has a unique robe and matching legs
look dumbass, the point of space marines is to be ubiquitous meatheads

>>53883878
They're a 3++ that works on mortal wounds but degrades with damage

>>53883778
Keep in mind it gets massively weaker as it loses wounds, and it's invuln drops too.

But your army will also get massively weaker every round it is exposed to that fucking monster. And it's going to go first every time.

>>53883875
Why no special weapon on the terminator squad?

>>53883886

>the intent is all that matters
kek

>>53883849
Looking solid.

Not sold on plasma cannon on hellbrute, go with lascannons IMO.

Could maybe shave some points on second squad of plague marines by dropping fist (unless you plan to get two sets from the starter box somehow).

>>53883893
>reading
Read what, exactly?

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What are some Space Marine chapters with white armour? I like the look of White Scars but I hate the bike models.

>>53883889
I ain't going to promote you to Fabricator-General with that attitude Cawl.

>>53883878
Voids can stop mortals
So 33 of your mortals would pass 11 through reducing it to a 4+ void
After which half the remaining mortals get through
Then apply the regular wounds

>>53883886
>the intent which is all that ever matters
Intent is entirely subjective and therefore completely irrelevant.

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>>53883905
Good idea. How's this?

>>53883822
>Also most xenos players I talk to seem to be in agreement that all our wins will be taking points from Chaos to teach them a lesson for gloating about the whole "haha Imperium vs Chaos is the spotlight of 8th edition" faggotry.

Why do you think Chaos players are behind the "Imperium vs. Chaos/autistic screeching Xenos" meme?

There are far more Imperium players than Chaos.

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Blood Angels list here, Feels like it's missing something.
The extra 354 points are going towards a Storm Eagle

Any tips /tg/?

>>53883902
Um
Couldnt fit it in?
Was mainly thinking of deepstriking them in to charge other TEQ's

>>53883913
You'd drop it to 34 wounds after that volley
Significantly weaker but it would have gone first
The next batch of mortals will be brutal

>>53883796
Pg 215

>>53883922
You can even sneak in a cheeky combi bolter in that fist, or replace it with a power scourge.

>>53883929
>Why do you think Chaos players are behind the "Imperium vs. Chaos/autistic screeching Xenos" meme?
Because the Imperium will always be the main character. Xenos and Chaos are competing for the main bad guy slot and Chaos won.

>>53883936
Does the Sanguinor have grenades yet?
Without them, he still seems a little difficult to justify

>>53883949
1
Rolling 6 makes no sense, it isn't a fnp roll

>>53883778
4000 points of astropaths
Thats about 266.
They cast smite on a 5+, so call it 88 successful manifestations if they are all in 18 inches.
So 88d3 mortal wounds, say 176 mortal wounds all up, would probably kill it in a turn.
Would probably get in range too since it can only target one at a time with each weapon.

>>53883936
How do you plan on dealing with armour?

>>53883888
All you need to do is replace the axe head with a scythe.

That'd look pretty sweet.

>>53883910
Luna Wolves
> Insert Cawl Troll Face

>>53883949
You roll one die for each Wound the opponent inflicts. If the result is less than the amount of damage from that Wound, it nullifies all that damage.

So he wounds you with a lascannon, then rolls a D6 for damage and gets a 3. You roll a quantum shielding dice, if you get a 1 or a 2 you take no damage, if you roll a 3 or higher you take the 3 damage he rolled.

>>53883929
Sad but true.Will you help bring justice to the corpse worshippers?

>>53883955
What? Why the fuck would he need grenades? This is 8th edition you idiot there's no more initiative.

>>53883955
Eh?

>>53883761
thanks for the advice. so its really just some rearming minis thats needed as well as getting more? but in general the army is mostly fine?

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>>53883977

>>53883953
It was never a competition.

Chaos is pure evil whereas Orks and Nids are pure instinct.

I still don't understand why they want to side with the Imperium in the campaign though.

>>53883960
All my boys are 6str on their melees with only chainswords/ccws, It's not the best but supplemented by the dread and Storm Eagle it should be enough to handle most armor.

>>53883984
Chaos is just ahead of the curb. The imperium is a bunch of schemers Anon.

>>53883953
>Xenos and Chaos are competing for the main bad guy slot

>this is what xenos players actually believe

>>53884015
I get that reference xD

>>53883508
>grindr

Any of you goys get the citadel cases? I was wondering if the skirmish/battle case is big enough for a landraider + 6 bikes + about 40 infantry