Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

1st for Guardians of the Covenant

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best commisar model or best commisar model?

>>53886350
great pic, nice edition

How many Plasma Calivers does the Skitarii Ranger set come with?

>>53886350

So, where the fuck are the FW astartes leaks?

Is there anything worth a damn that Eldar Rangers can kill? No hordes yet in my local meta.

Dominions or Seraphim?

>>53886382

Pretty proud of it

>>53886387
Did you try the archive?

-1 BS makes gets hot to work on 1s AND 2s

Lovely edition this, so fluffy

Ive heard Tau were going to be shit but they seem pretty good

Really good, in fact

I think they might be top tier

Any leaks of FW Xenos yet?

>>53886401
FW Chaos index, no imperium one

>>53886383
1.

>>53886422
Hm. Would it be a good idea to put 2 plasma calivers into a single Vanguard unit or is that way too costly?

>>53886412
FW stuff won't leak until release date, which is in a week.

>>53886406
Pretty sure that's not what the FAQ said

>>53886418
i got it this morning, so itds there, you just have to git gud

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how do YOU feel about chad marines? vote below

http://www.strawpoll.me/13229754

>>53886407
Everyone is top tier. T'au just don't have undercosted big guns anymore, and getting BS4 is harder for them, but that's it.

So if the last thread taught us anything it's that all trannies should be beaten to death with no less than thirty shoes.

How do we feel about plasma acolytes?
Quarry combined with cheap 3w acolytes seems bullshit.

>>53886407
Naw man. Swarms are the hot shit right now. Guardsmen, Orks, and Tyranids are your leaders now.

>>53886441
Just another flavor of shit marine. 40k would be better off without them.

I guess they're a slightly worse tasting flavor of shit compared to marinlets.

>>53886442
everyone but gws new poster boys who get rekt every game of dark imperium lel. why did they do that to themselves?

>>53886432
If you roll a 1 or something that counts as a 1 after all re-rolls and modifiers, you get hot.

>>53886428
Anyone?

>>53886441
They seem cool. I like that crawl is going to make new alpha legion prime marines

Will there be Chad grey knights?

Does the Astopaths +1 save power affect invulns too? I like the silly idea of a mixed group of 1+/3++ Bulgryns

>>53886485
What is the exact wording on the power?

Who /boyz/ here?

I have 2 egg cartons full waiting at home for me to prime them

>>53886481
Not for the foreseeable future.

>>53886392

Characters. Y'know, what you'd immediately assume snipers would be good at.

>>53886441
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13229754
Like we did not had enough fucking marines.

>>53886477
Plascals got a fair bit cheaper and now without the risk of slagging yourself every time you fire it I say go for it if you've got the points spare.

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>>53886387
https://mega.nz/#!sHB3hICa!84Tk2HnwPNVXKCcLV0I1SJbihVVJ3xJSW5dIbCMlV2s
Someone put this in the mega already, or put this link in the OP as I have posted it 4 times already

>>53886492
Sadly do not have my index but it's the Telepathica power list.

>>53886436
>he got it this morning
>doesn't post a link

>>53886485
It affects armor or invulnerability saves, but not anything else.

Didn't they say one Primarch will be redeemed and one fall?

I predict Fulfrim will be released from possession when Slaanesh is killed by Ynnead, redeeming the Emporers Children.

I then predict that the Dark Angels fall.

I've been trying to keep up to date with rumours and dates etc but not seen this yet; Any word on when primaris marines will be getting individual unit releases?

>>53886524
Slaanesh isn't dying. Instead we're going to get a faction of elves that have given themselves over to chaos and become useful servants in the hope of bribing their way out of damnation.

Is there an epub of the imperium forces FW index available to download?

>>53886524
>Didn't they say one Primarch will be redeemed and one fall?

If by "they" you mean "some shitposter" then yes.

>>53886516
Its int the trove. In fact its the only FW book in there.

>>53886498
They take off 1 wounds per round on average. That's good? For 100pts?

>>53886540
>>53886513

>>53886527
Nobody knows.
Though I think they'll have Death Guard first, and even then only after about a months ggrace period for Dark Imperium to sell.

>>53886547
>One shall stand, one shall fall
said Optimus Prime.

>>53886524
didn't fulgrum already get un fucked back during the heresy? he trapped the demon in a mirror?

>>53886520
Could you clarify for me? Are you saying that YES the Slabshields would be 1+ and the Brute Shields 3+ in the targeted unit or just one of my choice?

Maximum unit size is gone and models in a unit get stronger based on if there's 20+ models in the unit (+1 to hit or +1 attack, that sort of thing).
What army is now top tier?

>>53886516
I mean i dowloaded it from tg this morning numb nuts

>>53886584
Guard.

>>53886600
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIAMAqGNIY

Guard was always top tier

Has the vindicator laser destroyer completely replaced the normal vindicator?

>tfw Orks are good
Time to sell all those space yiff, crimson fists, and Skitarii models I've been hoarding

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Guys, I'm new and need help for a small list: I have dark vengeance CSM army as base. What would you sugest to build for 500 point build? Especially with the 20 cultist. If meat shield, what could they cover for?

>>53886574
You add 1 to all saving throw rolls. IIRC though, a roll of 1 is always a failure, but it would allow you to ignore some AP.

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>>53886381
honestly all the commissary models look pretty great, my favorite remains the one mid execution with his hand behind his back holding the swagger stick.

It's just such a great pose. Plus I like his more down to earth look compared to some if the more blinged out models that are clearly meant to be lord commissars.

So, wait, deep striking and infiltrating faggots can now charge turn one?

>>53886673
Yep.

>>53886673
Yes, though they need to roll a 9 so on average they'll eat overwatch for nothing.

>>53886678
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53886648
if you can get the crimson slaughter expansion if not, you can never go wrong with a chaos terminator lords cadre

>>53886673
Yes. But that is not even close to be as devastating as before.
No bonus attacks on the charge, no double weapons extra attack, no deathstars, a fairly long charge and if you survive (most often than not) you can then just fall back and shoot them in the face.

>>53886684
You still get Overwatch and Walk away gunfag.

>>53886684
Are you trying to make people on 4chan cringe? Because you're succeeding. What's the problem?

>>53886683
>slightly higher than normal
Bleh.

>>53886697
You can't fire if you fall back.

>>53886655
So yes it'll boost BOTH shield types at the same time. That was my confusion. Thanks

Is there an epub of the rulebook that isn't the file from the OP available to download? The one in the OP does not work for me.

Who makes the best blood pact conversions, and what would be some fun list ideas for them could win some friendly games?

>>53886710
With other units of course. Unless you have FLY.

>>53886457
>Swarms are the hot shit right now.
T'au have Kroot. A 20 xeno strong horde of snipers. It is just that almost no T'au have them in their army yet.

>>53886359
Brethren!

>>53886710
So don't hide people in the back more than 9" from terrain or the edge of the map. It means they're more likely than not going to fail, get shot at in overwatch, then get shot again in the shooting phase as people move away and they have to move up and try again. Positioning matters.

>>53886702
I was actually thinking about my shining spears who are shit unless they charge themselves.
>>53886703
Good. Good.

>>53886457
Tau have a lot of good anti-swarm tools.

Their basic infantry have pulse rifles with S5 and 3 shots each in 15" rapid fire range with a Fireblade nearby (18" if you have a pulse accelerator drone)

Stormsurges with rerollable overwatch, and interceptor, provides a huge zone where you just can't deep strike + charge.

Smart positioning lets you fire overwatch with your whole army when you get charged.

Sunshark bombers doing ~5 mortal wounds reliably every turn to a squad with 10 or more models.

Free fall back from combat with most units

Grav inhibitor drones reducing enemy charges, stacked with the right scenery can be devastating to enemy charge rolls. Trying to make a 8" charge to avoid flamer overwatch is tough enough, but when there's a grav drone and they are in woods you have -3 to -4 on your charge roll. Very unlikely you will make it into melee.

Markerlights let them focus fire like no other army. Get in the right position and use Kauyon to give your entire army rerollable hits, stack those markerlights easily, and unleash destroyer/seeker missiles and a volley of fire.

I think once people get used to the new tau we might see them in the top tier along with those armies you mentioned.

>>53886716

Yeah that one is missing some data, it's a damaged file.

>>53886717
Oh also, I want an excuse to buy a thunderbolt, can they take those?

>>53886441

Unless you have an issue with their poses/current lack of variety, there is no reason to dislike the models. Their size and proportions are flatly superior.

>>53886648
Only DV, huh? Well, I suppose you could scrap WYSIWYG and just say your 5 Chosen have combi-plasmas. That's 155 pts for 10 plasma and 10 bolted rapid fire shots. Keep them near the lord for his reroll aura. The rest of the DV Chaos force is crap.

>>53886746
Pulse rifles are shit, ap 0.

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>>53886746

this post made me moist

this is the edition I get into T'au

>>53886467
So people who have them buy some tanks so they can win..

>>53886789
>moist
>when tau got cucked
Weebs everyone.

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>>53886746

>Kauyon

>Cow yawn

>>53886474

so he was correct. shooting models with a -1bs to hit them makes you get hot on 1 and 2s.
Even if this is in the faq people will never never understand it and there will be so much nerdrage

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>>53886664
I don't know any bad commissar model. Even pic related looks great if you can accentuate the fact he's an old, thin commissar.

>>53886762
I agree fully, outstanding taste sir. Though at least half of the last general would disagree from what i was reading

>>53886749
Darn, is there another floating about or do we play the waiting game?

>>53886773
So? You're shooting at hordes of enemies with terrible saves, you don't need AP

Mass volume of AP0 shots is much better than a handful of AP2 shots when dealing with blobs of save 5+/6+ models

>>53886802

>not considered WAAC anymore
>cucked

now who is the powergaming sperg? how is that greytide of conscripts coming?

I can't find the allies chart, can Eldar and Tau ally? Since they are both xenos, are they "unassigned"?

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>>53886398
I've been going with Seraphim. Flankers don't actually flank now so it doesn't feel as useful, it lacks the "Surprise fucker!" part now. Dominions have higher range on their guns and vanguard, but still feel like they require a transport and the more range is meaningless in the face of Seraphim having double/quadruple their movement as fly.

So, Seraphim:
>Don't need a vehicle to do their job
>Have the same number of melta shots (unless you combi-melta on dom superior)
>Have more bolt shots
>AoF double move means more to them
>Fly so can move over terrain/models, can fall back and fire
>Combination of the last two makes it easier to get within that melta double die damage range
>High move+fly also lets you position perfectly to assassinate characters (which melta is amazing for, due to their incredible profile that doesn't get any worse as a pistol)
>3+ WS instead of 4+
>Can fire every weapon they have in melee combat
>Their faith invuln is rerollable
>Can deep strike, if you feel like it
>Don't lose special weapons or sergeant until 3rd and 4th unsaved wound, a 2 sister squad is still just as good at busting tanks/assassination
>Synergy with Celestine from her bonus AoF, +1 to their rerollable invuln, and being a character (can soak anti tank shots for her and put them on meh bolt sisters)
>Special weapons are cheaper, so overall unit is cheaper
>Are uniquely cool as fuck and distinctly SoB

Dominions:
>More range
>Can be in a transport
>Vanguard
>Can take combi weapons
>Better flamers and can take storm bolters
>Superior can take any power weapon, not just power sword
>Not weak to anti-air weapons

Wonder if I missed anything.

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Played firstish game of 8th Saturday with some top tier strategy what about you anons? And show me army and games pics if you got them
I'm waiting to batrep my actual first game but this was just a 500pt quick one

>>53886789
The best part is that everyone thinks Tau are shit and you wont be called a WAAC powergamer for playing them

>>53886513


is the Guard one out?

>>53886573
he got freed by angron or one of his brothers

>>53886847
You can only mix if they share a faction, there's no allies chart.

>>53886842
You're at best shooting 12 times per unit that hits on 4's and wounds on 3's, if the horde got to within triple tap range then you're well and truly fucked.

>>53886847
They don't have matching keywords so no

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>>53886773
>>53886842
Pretty sure nobody has a rending value on their most basic infantry weapon, and yet the tau faggots already have their tits in a twist because pulse rifles are AP0.

>>53886876
Crons do.

>>53886789
check your local listings for ragequitting faggots

>>53886849
Please don't tell me your entire army is just that one blob.

>>53886845
It's okay little boy, you whined to GW loudly enough that you didn't have a job and thus couldn't afford 3 riptides so they went and punished those mean people shooting your space marines.

A mars army and an ecclesiarcy army are isolated on the other side of the rift from Terra. They hate each other. But, orcs land on the planet they're on in large numbers.

Over the next hundred years, their planet is besieged. Can love bloom between a Sisters of Battle minor order and a branch of the Mechanicus cult?

Basically, would it be fluffy to run a cult mechanicus/sisters army that doesn't hate each other?

>>53886858
Guard one not out till friday, same with xenos

>>53886847
There is no ally chart. Everybody in your army must share a keyword.

>>53886893

too lazy to find a reaction image about projecting, so have this half assed response instead

>>53886896

lame

>>53886848
Good points, but one thing that isn't obvious from your post is that Vanguard can boost transports. So if the Dominions are in a Repressor, the repressor gets to move its full movement and advance before the battle event starts.

Which can be good.

>>53886849
If that's from your 500 pt game, then you are a pathetic creature.

>>53886768
Dang, I hoped the 8th could make it more playable. I droped the 7th edition when I understand the box I paid for was useless.
>>53886695
I dont even have 10 csm to put in the Land raider, but I will take a look at the termi.

>>53886849
>took conshits to a real table
>got tabled by two groups of space marines and two rhinos
lol inb4 you claim you won

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>>53886727
>Kroot
>Snipers

lol

>>53886876
Necrons do, but theyre only S4 with a 12" rapid fire range

>>53886942
>still this salty about IG being good, he's willing to resort to self induced delusion

Why isn't Nurgle the strongest Chaos God? Surely spawning one infection on a hive city and you've pretty much won. What's the imperium do then?

>>53886927
>listening to retards assuming they are right and quitting a game
lol gg dumbass you played yourself

>>53886876
They were ap 5.
Same as bolters.

I played a 8th game against Necrons and this guy had a blob of 20 warrions. My blob of 30(24 made it to combat) bloodletters they could not chew through them. That new reanimation protocol just made it borderline impossible.

>>53886926
>>53886890
Ehhh I did it for the memes and I found out a few things.
Conscript spam is boring to run
It's boring to play against
You can out attrition your opponent but you won't actually kill anything.
We did an all superheavies match as well that day which was really fun though.

>>53886883

yeah but those guys have literally finished science, they deserve to have an AP value

deathwatch have AP on their most basic weapons too I suppose but the deathwatch are the fucking deathwatch so there is nothing basic about them

>>53886956
8th edition is the most balanced edition of 40k ever written, of course IG are good. Conshits aren't good, but IG are great.

>>53886925
Melta Dominion in Repressors are back.
90 points for a basic repressor without the guns.

Give it double heavy flamer so you can burn things and run over stuff with it, while your girls melt shits from inside

>>53886906
>too lazy
How did you even get out bed to shit, let alone eat or operate a computer.
>this is the mind of the "fluff" fag

>>53886975
It's fw though. How do I convince people to play against FW?

>>53886970
Reanimation protocol always worked like that dummy.

>bloodletters
>attacking a robot that cannot bleed
Gee it's almost as if you made a tactical error.

>>53886584

>250 strong conscript unit
>Eat 500 over-watch shots

>>53886958
Quarantine, burn the bodies

Imperium has survived for this long because it is not afraid to resort to whatever tactics necessary. They dont care about burning a city to save the planet.

>>53886974
Bait.

Anons, could someone list the ways to give spesh marines +1 to hit in shooting if any?

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>>53886925
Yeah I should have made that clear. Having dominions makes your immolators better at both of their functions, being a transport and wrecking shit up close.

Also never realized Vanguard allowed an advance, but it totally does. Huh. You can be in the enemy's deployment zone turn 1 with just one minimum advance roll, and you get two.

Repressors are also something I didn't take into account there just because I haven't gotten to play with them yet, but I should have mentioned they seem amazing with Dominions of possibly all three flavors.

>>53886970

next time bring 30 daemonettes, they should have more luck

>>53886958
The others have similar corruptive abilities.

>>53886973
Pulse Rifles are S5, that's better than every other basic gun in the game

>>53886986
If you still actually have people complaining about forgeworld, find a different opponent, or a different shop.
The forgeworld meme has been going for 10 years, it needs to die.

>>53887011
Feel free to try your hardest to come even remotely close to proving me wrong, it'd be funny to watch you fail.

>>53886927
If you really want to make an effective 500 pt CSM force, you may want to consider spending the $40 on a box of Khorne berzerkers. Give them chainaxes and you suddenly have 40 S6/-1/1 attacks, immediately followed by 40 more if they survive the enemy's trade. If you go the plasma spam Chosen route and take a Khorne lord, that's 500 points right there.

>>53886986
Tell them not to be poor? Also the bloody thing is out of production. You either have to own a couple from before, recast, proxy or make your own.

Beside it is GW model and if they are afraid of SoB then you can bully them till they neck themself

>>53887027
>horde focus
It's dead jim.

>>53887010
You werent funny yesterday, and this is just cringy

>>53887010
>triggered

>>53887032
Nobody is afraid of Shitsters of Basshole, anon. Afraid of sharing a bathroom with anyone who plays them yeah, but not of the terrible army itself.

>>53886817
>Mfw since GW refuses to ever update Cadian models, they at least make new models for anything Astra Militarium related look same design style and proportions wise

That's nice at least

So are there actual pdfs of the core rules and indices out yet or is it just the old leaks still?

>>53887025
>>53887032
>>53887016
Okay, definitely running repressors then. I think I'll just run Seraphim and Dominions in an outrider detachment. Sisters fast attack is so good right now.

>>53886986
Show them the hundreds of pages of shit every other faction gets and then the entire one transport SoB gets. The role they already had something great in, too.

Not that I'm complaining. But, I'm sure they can find at least one unit they might want to use in their army.

>>53886958
Because that title belongs to Khorne. You see, he's the war god, and in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.

>>53886986
>>53887032
Wait, do people really have a problem with playing against FW units?

>>53887056
>replying to yourself
Nice.

>>53886972
I would have done the same, but with Orks.

>>53887051
>wanting half a squad for the same price as a full squad

>>53886991
Bloodletters have AP-3 and hit on 2s when they have over 20 in a squad. Plus with their khorne daemon stuff the are strength 5 and plus 1 attack on the charge. I figured I'd be able to lay down the dicks. But being able to roll to bring people back until you wipe out the unit tarpitted my dudes. It was a fun game though. Helbrute put in good work, chaos lord on Juggernaut is fun. Should have brought transports for my bezerkers though.

>>53887047
>gi... girl are gross
>why no one loves me?!
>forcing memes
>forcing bad memes

At least use "Sisters of Cattle" is this 2007 when shit jokes where remotely funny?

>>53887010
>being this triggered

Go back to your safespace of /h/, you clown

>>53887091
>desperate damage control by the degen obsessed with trans marines

>>53887084
You have to surround them and then they can't res.

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So, I am planning to make a Terrax regiment, any good tips on greatcoat bodies and peaked caps? Selling internal organs for metal Mordian heads and Krieg bodies is really not an option.

Maybe I just start with giving the stormies peaked caps to represent Militarum Excubitus

Report and hide the "shitsers of basshole" spammer.

Notice how he's also incorporated the word tranny to further b8 shitposting, because he realizes nobody is laughing at his terrible joke.

>>53886970
Do you had an Herald nearby?
All lesser daemon blobs should have one.

Also, try Daemonettes like >>53887017 said. Bloodletters are more a shock troop than anything. Daemonettes are far better for prolonged combats.

Can Sorcerers still summon Daemons?

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185 points. Is the regular Vindicator BTFO forever?

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>>53887024

necron gauss rifles are S4 AP-1 24 inches rapid fire

Deathwatch bolters can either wound everything on a 2+ at 24", ignore cover and hit on two's at 24", have S4 AP-1 at 30" or S4 AP-2 At 18" (I know I'm stretching the definition of basic to breaking point with the deathwatch but it is what they come with base)

grey knight basic infantry has 24" S4 AP0 Rapid fire 2 which is really fucking good (again, stretching basic to breaking point)

and the primarines have S4 AP-1 at 30"

the tau don't have the undisputed best basic infantry weapon in the game, point for point the crons do

the tau are only better because of higher strength, and the deathwatch do that better by wounding everything on two's, but the deathwatch are expensive as fuck so that doesn't really matter I guess.

>>53887127
>being this triggered
Autogynephilia is a serious and insidious mental illness. Seek help before you go full Rany Stair.

>>53887127
Dude, just ignore him (her) and he'll (she'll) go away. It worked for that Kanye the giant shitposter.

>>53886683
>they need to roll a 9 so on average
An 8 actually.

You need to charge within 1 inch of an enemy unit.

So you deploy 9 inches away, roll an 8 or more, and now you're within 1 inch.

>>53887144
good ridance.

>>53887141
Yes, any Chaos Character can. See pg 30 in the leak PDF, or pg 68 in the physical book.

>>53886960
Maybe. I played some game but I guess the starter box didnt succed to hook me up for further investment in the game. Now that the edition hype gave it a new breath I will consider investing more if I find a way with my old models.

>>53887068
People are still having flashback to some 3rd edition broken stuff.

Let that sink 3rd edition

>>53887131
They had skulltaker backing them up. But the terrain made him unable to charge with his posse until the next turn.

>>53887148
No, you still need to roll a 9.

You have to deploy Greater than 9 inches away, not 9 inches away.

If you charge 8 inches, from a distance of greater than 9 inches away, you'll still be greater than 1 inch away, which results in a failed charge.

>>53887145
I wouldnt consider Deathwatch or Grey Knight guns as "basic" guns. Everything in those armies is basically an elite unit - that's the whole point of those units.

Necrons and Primarines are S4. 4 is less than 5. We are just talking about strength here

>>53886485
Its +1 to saving throw so I think it does do invulns.

>>53887155
You'll be fine, 8th edition is awesome. Any army can win against any army now. That isn't saying that any player can beat any other player of course, but your units are just fine. Make an army out of what you've got and play some of the new missions using the power level system. It's great for new players or people without a huge number of models.

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[BITTERNESS INTENSIFIES]

If people want to play forgeworld they should fuck off to Horus Heresy.

>>53887131
I'll definitely bring daemonettes next time and run a chaos keyword list.

>>53887182
b-b-but repressors are a nice thing. Can't I have a few nice things?

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>>53887145

also, My deathwatch killteam is going to be becoming a fullblown army now, holy shit did the deathwatch get tacticool

or well, not really. its more that the deathwatch stayed exactly the same while everyone else lost options, which I'm kinda sad about but at least I got to keep specialist ammunition

>>53887148
Whats it like to fail first grade math

>>53887068
>>53887164
leviathan dread is downright broken with 2 grav fluxes.

They put 6D3 shots of S9 AP -5 D2 into a 10 man unit.

>>53887016
>You can be in the enemy's deployment zone turn 1 with just one minimum advance roll, and you get two.

I forgot deployment zones are some times shorter than 24" apart now. So that's them at their worst. They can move from 26" to 36" on the first turn, and some deployment distances are 18" now.

>>53887029
Sound nice. Is a rinho mandatory, even for small game?

UK anons: too hot to paint? I think so.

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>>53887181
Have strenght, Iron Warrior

How does this look as a start to my Blood Ravens army? I'm trying to focus more on the Blood Ravens themselves rather than competitiveness, as I dig them quite a bit.

Patrol Detachment

Captain in Terminator Armour (1) - 144pts
1 Captain in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter,Thunder hammer

Librarian (1) - 107pts
1 Librarian: Force stave,Bolt pistol

Tactical Squad (10) - 175pts
1 Sergeant: Combi-flamer,Bolt pistol
1 Space Marine: Bolt pistol,Flamer
1 Space Marine: Bolt pistol,Missile launcher
7 Space Marine: Bolt pistol,Boltgun

Tactical Squad (10) - 193pts
1 Sergeant: Combi-melta,Bolt pistol
1 Space Marine: Bolt pistol,Meltagun
1 Space Marine: Bolt pistol,Multi-melta
7 Space Marine: Bolt pistol,Boltgun

Scout Squad (5) - 75pts
1 Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol,Sniper rifle
4 Scout: Bolt pistol,Sniper rifle

Venerable Dreadnought (1) - 197pts
1 Venerable Dreadnought: Dreadnought close combat weapon with heavy flamer,Twin lascannon

Drop pod (1) - 108pts
1 Drop pod: Deathwind launcher

Captain is meant to be current Angelos, I have plans to convert my own model for him using Tartaros termie armor and a heavy thunder hammer. Including Librarian cause the powers are actually quite useful and can make any single model dangerous. It also fits with the theme that BR are quite psyker friendly and he's meant to represent Orion. Flamer tac squad is there to clear large squads of infantry and combat harder-to-hit targets. Melta tac squad will be using the Drop Pod for some Steel Rain action to blow up high priority targets. Scouts are great for picking characters off, and the Dreadnought represents Thule as the captain in a dreadnought he should be.

>>53887179
are we having this shitty meme here too? I always saw the same on AoS general and then 2 posts later someone saying x faction is shit because it lacks a good buff dispenser and stuff.

>>53887192
>Not taking a Terminator in your strike team so you can assign all the anti-infantry shots to him and all the anti-terminator shots to regular marines

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>>53887194

you're all retarded

leviathan dreads can't take two grav flux bombards, they can only replace one of their hands with a ranged weapon, it says it on their sheet, the unit may replace ONE fist with a weapon from the following list

>>53886927
the crimson slaughter pack comes with 5 terms to put in the raider but yeah you might just want to get the cadre and turn the lord into a sorcerer

>>53887221
>7thfag streaming tears
lol you got what you deserve you piece of shit

Do you consolidate during the combat, or can you move your unit closer after you win?

>>53887217
You still wearing your chastity belt Lorgar?

>>53887235
read the rules dumbass

read the fucking rules

>>53887235
You consolidate after your unit fights, and then move onto the next unit fighting in the fight phase..

>>53887238
Not since we fucked over both Emperor and Horus.

>>53887234
Eh, I really like them. What's the problem?

>>53887207
I would say no. At 500 points, it's difficult to even meet battleforged requirements.

>>53887211
Confirm

>>53887235
You pile in 3", then consolidate 3" at the end of combat

Maybe this is the edition blood ravens finally get official rules.

>>53887251
nothing he's just a troll

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>>53887217
Real talk tho, how do I go about making a decent looking iron warriors army? I want something focused heavily on artillery and mechanized stuff.

>>53887231

Sadly the imperial version loses some melee ability to gain the ability to take two ranged weapons, even though the Leviathan frame is clearly designed to barrel through things full force.

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>>53887231
Wrong.

>>53886573
>>53886868
Both flagrantly wrong. Fulgrim is a fabulous four-day snake demon and quite content to remain so

>>53887194
Anon what the fuck you are talking about? It can only have one

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>>53887250

>>53887251
something something reddit something something i'm a hipster they're too mainstream since they appeared in a popular video game something something normies get out reeeeeee something something.

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>>53887231

speaking of retarded, someone forgot he has two files with that name

>>53887173
That's unfortunate.

Anyway, you can have a Daemon Prince giving them reroll 1 to hit.
Bloodletters already get +1 to hit for being 20+ models, making Skulltaker redundant (GW game design for ya).

If you don't plan to have mono-Khorne, consider running some Fiends of Slaanesh too. They make enemies unable to fall back and hurt enemy psykers ability to cast, making your dispelling easier.

People keep saying that Thousand Sons got better, but what exactly does a decent Thousand Sons list look like? Scarab Occult/Rubric Marines still have the issue that they do the same thing, and all the actual Thousand Sons units are still extremely expensive and narrow in ability (shredding medium-heavy infantry).

>>53887263
Take a bunch of basilisks/other guard arty.

Along with a core of marines.

>>53887275
Four-armed* fucking phone

>>53886894
No.

They'll work with eachother, but the Tech-priests will make sure the Ecclisiarchy dies or is at least screwed over in the end.

>>53887280
That's the chaos one right? Yeah, it can only do one. But supposedly the space marine one can take 2.

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>>53887270

N-NANI?

what the hell where forgeworld thinking giving that shit to anyone.

>>53887207
not necessarily but the more zerkers that make it across the field the better and they buffed rhinos a good bit so its not a bad idea

>>53887263
Funnily enough, both IW and WB got to be fluffier and still usefull with boost to the Dark Apostle and Warpsmith.

Do check the Hellforged stuff in FW Index Chaos. From heresy era shit to the daemonengines, you will ejaculate all over Medrengard. When the IG Index with chaos renegades drops, you will probably be able to field the shitton of Basilisks, Medusas, Deathstrikes and other tended by your slaves.

>>53887280
Oh I was wrong.
But anyway who cares about NPC factions.

Only non NPC armies have access to transports that allow shooting from inside.

>>53887286
Near as tough as plague marines is a bonus

How many attacks does a Daemon Prince with a pair of Talons get?

How many attacks does a Hellbrute with a pair of Power Scourges get?

>>53887275
no, during the hersey fulgrims sould was trapped in a painting, and a demon was running around in his body, then later one of his traitor brother primarchs exorcised the demon so fulgrim could reenter his body. he still a baddy mcbadderson.

>>53887320
You can't pair scourges.

With a naked Scourge, 7 and with fist/hammer it's 8.

>>53886573
Yes, it literally happens off-screen. The Emperor's Children have an intervention since they think he's still possessed, and Fulgrim is like "lol, no I'm not possessed anymore, I'm just an evil, degenerate faggot now." It's probably one of the most retarded plot twists/developments the HH series has thrown at us, and the HH series has had a lot of retarded plot points.

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>>53887288
>>53887263
Renegades and Heretics soon.

>>53887220
Beware finding yourself in a footrace you won't win.
Mobility is still a powerful tool, on top of being fluffy, and something like a r-back would allow you to combat squad the first tac squad for greater purpose.

>>53887305
Oh god anon, please, are you being truthful? Hnnnn a fluffy artillery army of iron forged bombs and missles...WE WILL DISMANTLE THE IMPERIUM BRICK BY BRICK AND REBUILD IT AS AN IRON AND COLD EMPIRE OF ONLY STRENGTH

>>53887270
mind posting the full sheet?

>>53887337
Dont forget the idiotic scene where they rape him anon

>>53887345
Of course I am. Now, would you like to hear the Word of Lorgar?

>>53886847
Only in open or Narrative games

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>my unit of primaris get charged by orks
>Choose to fall back
>Move my unit 40 inches to the opposite side of the board , adhering to the fall back rule of keeping 1" away from enemy models.
>muh Best edition, muh tactics, muh assault , muh simplified rules

>>53887312
At the cost of all of our psykers getting nerfed hard. All is Dust seems kinda underwhelming in practice, too. The plethora of -1 or less AP weapons and multi-damage weapons has left me with a 3+ or worse most of the time anyways, so it's not much of an improvement.

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>>53887360
............
I'm listening

>>53887345
I am looking forward to Girlymans face, when he learns, he has a fucking SECOND Empire of Iron to dismantle

>>53887366
>he doesn't know what page that rule is on.

Go ahead and look at the page again. If you know how to read it will become obvious how far you can move.

>>53887360
Ahh, the Lectitio Divinitatus.

Great read, Lorgar.

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>>53887335
>Cant pair scourges

Why not? Judging from the wording here, I am specifically limited to replacing one for a missile launcher, but the limitation isn't there for the scourges. If I have a pair of fists, why can't I replace them both with a pair of scourges?

>>53887310
Like orks?

>>53887286
Well Tzaangors offer TSons a Tzeentch themed horde melee unit, so that's kind of neat. I didn't think they looked good in 7th but here they seem easily worth 7 points to pack two attacks or 2 and a pistol shot at S4T4 5++. Exalted Sorcerors on foot are basically a chaos lord stat block but with a force weapon and with a 3++ save rerolling on 1s. I personally think an Exalted Sorceror slogging with Tzaangors could give you some pretty good anti-horde melee whilst the sorceror helps break any vehicles or characters that try to stop them.

I can see Exalted+Tzaangors in the front, rubrics following behind (or scarab occults i guess if you like those) and then either Magnus or some vehicles to bring anti-vehicle power.

>>53887366
What units can move 40" without an Advance, besides planes?

>>53887380
OK, that is unexpected, I never got this far when proselytising. Let me check the manual.

But baby steps, first, do use as many daemon engines as you can. Yes that would do. Also summon daemons and start actively worshipping the Primordial Annihilator, it is a fucking disgrace to have an agnostic daemon primarch.

>>53887225

>Not taking 3 so you can max out the heavy weapons

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>>53887395
Oh boy my turn to post it!

Filename related!

>>53887366
Even though they don't state it you should assume any time they say "move" they are referring to what is directly left of that section.

Otherwise everyone can move through terrain and models during charge, pile in, and consolidate.

>>53886958
Old fluff said when he created a new disease and it spread he would temporarily become more powerful than the rest combined. When it slowed down/was cured he would return to a more normal level.

>>53887388
Iron Cage 2:Cawlectric Boogaloo

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>>53887286

the way that AP works now means your guns are just as good at shooting lightly armoured guys in cover as they are at shooting heavily armoured guys in the open. which is actually a huge upgrade.

the scarab occult are amoung the games more durable TEQ's with the all is dust rule and two wounds a piece is a godsend.

changes to the wound mechanics means that your bolters wound the largest of tyranid beasts and dreadnought equivilents on a 5+ instead of the six you used to get, and the soulreaver cannon can even plink the occasional wound off of a knight.

you've got mortal wounds flowing out of your ass.

magnus is still a monster.

you've got great synergy with exalted sorcerers now.

your birdmen are good now because this edition favours hordes and one of the best counters to a hoard is with one of your own.

basically its less that the thousand sons were buffed and more like all the old bullshit combos that they had to put up with were nerfed and the game was changed up to favour them more.

also points cost reductions.

>>53887391
As someone already mentioned Robots face, imagine how he looked liked after 10,000 when he found out people still took that shit seriously. Best practical joke ever.

>>53886569
We transformers now?

Tartaros terminators vs Regular vs Cataphractii?

>>53886958
Slaanesh can unleash a new designer drug, fashion trend or tasty new food and achieve the same effect. Khorne just needs to start a new conflict to do it.
Tzeentch i guess has a more complicated path to power but considering he nearly got his ass handed to him by a Lord of Change he is probably in raw power the weakest god, instead relying on unorthodox tactics to give himself the advantage.

>>53887444
>replying to assblasted fateweaver players
why

>>53886958
dosent he have that goddess chained up there, who is sneaking cures/immunites to realspace? i dont think nurgle wants to wipe out everything, then he wouldnt be able to disease anymore peoples up

>>53887403
>3++ save rerolling on 1s
He has a 5++.

I want to play Thousand Sons, not 40k Beastmen. Even if I do play 40k Beastmen, why would I take Rubricae of any flavor? Point for point, Tzaangor are great at carving up medium-heavy infantry, and you'd be much better served bringing mobility and anti-tank.

all this talk of Perturabo makes you wanna run Iron Warriors but then you remember how boring Chaos armour is, and how ugly obliterators are

>>53887376

If the weapon is -1 you are still getting a 3+ instead of a 4+

Lets say i wanted to use agrax earthshade to make some copper look old and dirty, but was also considering nikilakh oxide to give it the vertigris effect. Which order do i apply them in?

>>53887469
> not reading the fucking FW Index Chaos
Warsmyth please

>>53887469
>obliterators have randomised weapon stats
>can't choose what gun to create

>>53887342
Ah, great advice! It's been so long since I played I forgot about combat squads.

>>53887148
Well you tried, not very hard but I guess it counts as trying.

>>53887404
Coldstar.
Then again, Coldstar is a sonic oc at this point.

>>53887469
That's my problem, I'm trying to figure out how to build nonstupid looking iron warriors. I'm thinking maybe using MK3 marines and adding some battle damage and chains and the occasional chaos star? They don't really make sense when having spikes and stuff all over them, they are too agnostic for that

>>53887483
I ain't a millionaire, nigger

>>53887055
Hey anon, I've been working on converting them. They're all in EPUB3 which has been a pain in the ass to convert over. I should have them all done and uploaded today

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Playing against Grey Knights today with my Cadian's. Hows the list look? Seems pretty self-explanatory but I've never used Ratlings or Mortar HWT before.

>>53887500
yeah, just buy a prospero or calth box and you're good

>>53887488
I know.

>>53887502
Then I hope you didnt melted those Defilers last edition. And know how to convert a Warpsmith to keep Land Raiders alive forever.

>>53887444

I think marines benefit a lot more than scarabs from all is dust.

You don't want to wast 2+ wounds shots on 1W models, but using them on 2W termis is perfect.

>>53887515
>>53887500
Ah, by armour I meant their vehicles. Looks ass and only like 5 options to pick from

>>53887468

take a unit of scarab occult

stick them in cover

give them a soulreaver

you now get a 3+ armour save against plasma

>>53887499
Coldstar has to advance to go 40", basic move is only 20". Cant advance if you fall back.

>>53887515
But then the problem comes with putting them next to the other Chaos units and they are horribly out of place. Like the chaos termies and helbrute. Also the daemonengines. All of em spikes and chaosy

>>53887500
Honestly, at this point in time it doesn't really matter if you're a cult legion or not, you're going to have warped and mutated armor after 10,000 years in and out of the Warp. Iron Warriors canonically do remove bodily mutations and replace them with cybernetics, which is why I rather liked their old upgrade set that looked like it belonged to CSM but was also sort of 'Cleaner' than regular CSM armor was.

Ion rifles or rail rifles?
Also, does the unit get markerlight bonuses even if they were the ones that fired the mls that turn?

>>53887417
>i have no argument
>better shit post!

I am seriously asking why I can't run two scourges. I can take a pair of fists. I can exchange fist for Scourge. Honestly, I don't even think 2 scourges are the way to go because you lose out on potential crazed shooting. I think going with fist+scourge is better that way.

However, I want to know why you say they can't take two scourges because I want to know this edition. Just saying I'm misinterpreting rules without telling me how isn't helping anything.

>>53887395
You can't replace things twice.

>>53887267
So what's the problem again?

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>>53887569

>>53887569
More to the point, why the fuck would you? You don't get any benefit for having two scourges?

>>53887557
THATS the word I was looking for, cleaner, I like that aesthetic about them, they are evil but also efficient and clean by keeping designs simple and non busy. It seems hard to build them given all the chaos stuff has non even armor trims and and random designs rather than cold and hard edges and soulless clean evil looking stuff. That's why I never thought the spikes and stuff worked for their look

>>53887561
1) rail rifles are too costly, in my view - I'd use them inside a tidewall, as pathfinders are still frail
2) yes

>>53887521
And I thank you for knowing friend!

>>53887499

I find it kinda depressing that they brought out new crisis suits and new commanders at the same time, but only made the commander a Coldstar. Waste of a good concept.

>>53887594

+6 attacks?

>>53887561
>Also, does the unit get markerlight bonuses even if they were the ones that fired the mls that turn?
No

When you shoot with a unit you can roll the dice one at a time but you declare all your targets before you roll any dice and all shots happen at the same time.

A good tactic is to use a Fireblade as your first markerlight since he has BS2+, then shoot with your Pathfinders to let you reroll 1s

>>53887444
>the way that AP works now means your guns are just as good at shooting lightly armoured guys in cover as they are at shooting heavily armoured guys in the open. which is actually a huge upgrade.
In theory it's a great upgrade, but, in practice, you're still losing if you're wasting Inferno Bolters on cheap chaff units.
>the scarab occult are amoung the games more durable TEQ's with the all is dust rule and two wounds a piece is a godsend.
Too bad there are so many multi-wound weapons out there, especially amongst the traditional "anti-terminator" weapons.. Plasma shreds them even harder now.
>soulreaver cannon can even plink the occasional wound off of a knight.
A marginal increase in effectiveness at a task that it's not even remotely suited for.
>you've got mortal wounds flowing out of your ass.
You're paying out the ass for HQ sorcerers to do that, since our squad psykers are bitch-tier.
>you've got great synergy with exalted sorcerers now.
Confirmed for retard that can't into math. Rerolling 1's for 5++ saves is a shitty upgrade. Thousand Sons do better if they take Rubric Marines as Wu Tang Clan Legion so that they can get access to the Chaos Lord reroll to hit aura. That's right. You're better off taking your Thousand Sons as non-Thousand Sons.
>your birdmen are good now because this edition favours hordes and one of the best counters to a hoard is with one of your own.
GW cock-sucking apologist detected. If I didn't want to play Thousand Sons, I wouldn't play Thousand Sons.
>basically its less that the thousand sons were buffed and more like all the old bullshit combos that they had to put up with were nerfed and the game was changed up to favour them more.
Be real, shillnigga. Most of the changes benefit other armies far more than they benefit Thousand Sons.
>also points cost reductions.
We've pretty much stayed where we were relative to everybody else.

>>53887573

Does it say that somewhere? If so, cool. End of argument. Where is it? Tbays the shit I want to know. If not, then I still don't see why not.

>>53887594

You'd get 11 attacks, that's why. You have 4 base, each Scourge gives +3 attacks with it, and then +1 for having 2 CC weapons as a brute.

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Ok so I feel the call of the warp and I need to build a second unit of Terminators. What loadout would you guys suggest?
My first unit was build with 5 combi-plasma, 2 maul, 2 fist, 1 axe. Should i go for a second combi-plasma unit, so that in the end I can field two 3 axe, 1 maul, 1 fist units?

>>53887602
>2) yes
wrong

>>53887514
Looks very similar to what I plan on running for 8th. Let us know how it goes. What I would do is use the ratings and sentinels as bait on the frontline and see if your opponent will take the cheap distractions. Use that to get you an extra turn to shoot before you get shredded in melee

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>>53887514
>Company commander - 3PL - 34pt
>Tempestus - 3PL 123pt

Oh, god PL are really meme tier

>>53887538
>take a unit of super-heavy infantry
>hug cover so that you don't get absolutely BTFO by the bog-standard anti-heavy infantry weapon
Sasuga, anon. Truly, 8E has fixed the Scarab Occult.

Christ, at least in 7E you could run a max'ed War Cabal to have competitive rubricae units. Now all the rubricae units are dog shit and the apologists just tell you to play birdmen instead.

>>53887493
>can't prove me wrong
Well you tried, A for effort.

>>53887211
Even too hot to build models :(

>>53887145
Pulse rifles may be S5, but Splinter Rifles wound everything fleshy on a 4+.

>>53887468
Shit does he? Should have looked at my physical book not the leak pdf, that page is a little blurry. Still i guess you are right, but Scarab Occults can bring Hellfyre Missile Racks to help themselves be a bit more versatile than rubrics. If I'm honest its pretty clear that rubrics and scarab occults are just meant to be there as your very difficult to remove units, whilst tzaangors do more damage rubrics do their kills at range and are quite survivable.

Personally i think rubrics or scarabs up front with daemon engines following could work. Its a real shame the exalted sorceror reroll 1s doesn't apply to TSons daemon engines. Maybe rather than pure TSons you could mix in Tzeentch Daemons? I like Burning Chariots.

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Which ediption should I play with my Kroot army in?

Domore imoertantlyes CondeleeZa rice is smafeu?

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>tfw starting a new job next week and can finally afford more metal minis
>tfw less Sisters to the smelter

>>53887718
Is it above 30c?

>>53887734

35C in my office atm

>>53887664
I'm not an expert on terminators in 8th so i can't help much, but i like a power fist or chain fist on the unit champion and everyone in these threads recommends combi-melta. Personally i think Combi-Plasma could be nice but i would highly reccomend casting prescience or having a Lord/Daemon Prince stand near your terminators so they can fire those plasmas at supercharge safely.

>>53887733
SoB never want to the smelter.
GW is either pulling a Nintendo with their over sized stock or they are making new models.

It seems like the last option is true, the metal does not look like 2007 (2005 was the last metal production? Can't remember)

Which is even more strange. GW is still producing metal models, just for SoB. They are going out of their way to make them

>>53887716
Literally in the rulebook. More than 9"

>>53887718
Asian anon here, there're no such thing as too hot to build.
>>53887752
No air conditioner in office? Holy ball. Altho I used to work in similar place, not an office.

>>53887706
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to defend GW's decision I just happen to really like Tzaangors and they sucked in 7th.

>>53887676
Yeah I plan on deploying as spread out as possible to deny the deep striking.
>>53887688
Platoon Commanders just seem worth the slot unless you got 20pts left over.

>>53887469
>>53887483
The FW butthurt is funny cause for some of us Chaos boys its literally the only way to have a non-retarded looking army.

Anyone who expects me to field old manlets and ugly mutated turds just cause they are GW standard can fuck off.

Either half my army is nice looking FW conversions or i dont play.

>>53887752
Humidity?
Because 35c is still not hot enough to dick over glue

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Also played a 4 player FFA with superheavies only. Turns out the Shadowsword is really good. The Stompa took off 4W from it with it's shooting but immediately afterwards in my shooting phase I managed to take 30 off of it. Can dump more images if anyone is interested.

>>53887723
>meant to be there as your very difficult to remove units
But, they aren't that difficult to remove. They're just as vulnerable to traditional anti-heavy infantry weapons as they used to be. Frankly, I think a base 4++ would be more useful than All is Dust most of the time, and the old access to universal 3++ absolutely BTFO's the current set-up.
>just play Tzeentch Daemons instead
Wow, what a change from 7E. Truly, Thousand Sons have been blessed beyond measure.

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>>53886350
So... is having a librarian eating a portion of a battle-brother's brain and thus acquiring a mind link too much heresy?

If not, how many times can I do it before it's heresy?

>>53887769
9.0000000001 inches is more than 9 inches.

>>53886494
We getting any new models this edition?

>finally i can bring my entire old-ass execution force from before execution forces were a thing
>without it being absolutely shit except the Culexus
So, i have Coteaz and a dozen or so kasrkin, as well as all the older assassin models. I used to run them as a daemonhunters force with some Grey Knights, but i gave a friend the terminators and just have one of the metal strike squads with the thicc halberds left. How crap a 1k list is-

>Coteaz
>two acolyte squads with hotshot lasguns and a meltagun each
>Culexus, Eversor, Callidus, Vindicare

>grey knight brotherhood champion
>strike squad in a razorback

I feel between Hammerhand and force weapons, the GK can damage most everything, so i'm aiming to run them at the biggest, toughest unit the enemy has. I main orks and basically dont want to subject most people to 120 boyz every game unless they're an asshole

>>53887827
Yes. That means the charge roll has to be a 9.

>>53887827
infinitely more

>>53887812
>the super heavy dedicated to destroying other super heavies is really good at destroying super heavies.
>The super heavy that's really good at fighting basic units is really bad at fighting super heavies.

Gee color me surprised. Bringing a shadowsword to a superheavy only battle is the definition of list tailoring.

>>53887783
>I'm sorry, I'm not trying to defend GW's decision
>he says after trying to defend GW's decision

>>53887828
I hope so senpai, although the regular boyz box is okay for me if they don't. I have about a 50/50 split between AOBR boyz and the kitboyz

>>53887846
In Anon's defense, the Shadowsword used to be pretty shitty, even at hunting other SH.

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>>53887356

"It's got to go ALL the way up his butthole, brother Morty. It wouldn't work on us! We're mortal! We've got small, insignificant buttholes. But his butthole was crafted by the Emperor, Morty. It's a god's butthole!"

>>53887815
I'm arguing for combining them, not replacing them. Tzeentch Daemons have the blue scribes and the irritating blue horrors on the chariots, so they can make it really easy for your sorcerors to deny enemy smites and obviously mortal wounds fuck over rubrics. Its not giant synergy.
>>53887863
Helping you make the best of a bad situation isn't defending fucking shit. Do you blame charity for subsidizing hurricanes?

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>>53887651

good to see you completely ignore the fact that a squad of nine thousand sons with a soul reaver and a aspiring sorcerer will deal four wounds off of a carnifex or a dreadnought in a single round of shooting from 18" away

your fucking inferno combi bolters shoot 4 rend -2 shots each at 12" a squad of five with a soul reaver and a missile launcher will kill a carnifex in a single round of shooting from twelve inches and they have a model that lets them move 10" and still assault 2d6 to finish it off with their powerswords and the sorcerers D3 damage force weapon

>our psykers are bitch tier

a mortal wound is a mortal wound.

>plasma shreds them even harder now

they can overcharge their plasma, deal with your 5++, then lose between one and two of their own guys when the weapons overheat, or they can not overcharge their weapons and bounce off two wounds and a 3+

if the only viable way to kill them with plasma involves blowing up your own marines in the process to do it then plasma did not get better against them.

>pretty much stayed the same compared to everyone else for points

tau crisis suits now cost more unarmed than they did last edition with double plasma

the iontide now costs 318 points and its gun went from a pie plate to heavy D6 on a 4+

the only multi wound weapons I've found in this game with any profileration are melee weapons, missiles melta and lascannons, and if your enemy is shooting your infantry with las-cannons then you should have brought a fucking landraider. or some kind of transport/firemagnet

also, traitors discount warptime lets them get a 4" charge from deepstrike with their scarab occult.

alternatively you could stop bitching and sell your army on ebay so I could strip the doubtlessly pisspoor job you've made of them and use them myself as more than just an autistic display piece you grade A shitter

...Is adding one grey knight Doomglaive dreadnought to an otherwise all-normal chapter dreads army and painting it in keeping with the rest of the chapter just so I can have it cast Gate of Infinity and teleport up the enemy's ass WAAC?

I want this NPC factions to stop talking.

Does you faction have access to transport that allow shooting from inside?
If no, then you are an NPC faction and need to stop talking

>>53887569
Seems like you can from what you posted. There's supposed to be an "the other weapon can be replaced by" if each hand has a different pool, from what I have seen.

>>53887897

>nine thousand sons

Ah yes, the Warband of Exalted Sorcerer Vegeton.

>>53887906
I think if your entire army is dreadnoughts it doesn't sound WAAC it sounds like you are just kinda having some trouble building a fluffy army.

>>53887906

How many fucking people are running all dreadnought armies.

Where are you people coming from?

More importantly, do you have the good taste to shun the Redemptor from your lists?

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>>53887906
yes


now a better question

WILL RED SCORPIONS GET CHAPTER TACTICS THAT LET ME FIELD MY FOUR FUCKING APOTHECARIES?!?

I have a fucking apothecary vanguard detachment now to shoehorn them all in my army

I kind of like it tbqh

>>53887846
>>53887884
Dude the Stompa would have killed me if he succeeded his charge because he got first turn and started right next to me.

>>53887954
Nobody.

>>53887955

Just fucking run an all-apothecary army for maximum red scorpion.

>>53887955
Why not just take a supreme command detachment with 5 apothecaries and take some regular HQs in your other detachment.

Is there a pdf or an ebook of FW: FORCES OF ASTRA MILITARUM? Not adeptus astartes. I want to see death korps of krieg.

>>53888018

>Can't run an army with a medic warlord

Why live?

>>53887641
>>53887652
That isn't how combining weapons works though? Any more than having multiple chainswords would?

I am struggling to find the proper niche for Raptors in my army - they aren't quite good enough in CC (either from number of attacks or melee weapon availability) to treat them like a proper assault unit, so i am instead leaning towards a more MSU build, and simply using them as deep-striking plasma guns and backline harassment. What do anons think of them?

>>53887974
>I tailored hard as fuck then almost lost anyway
Wow nice going retard

>>53888034

Jesus, how many days do we need to spend telling you morons that there's a week delay for guard and xenos?

You'll get your all-death rider busty abhuman centaur army when you get it, geeze.