/40kg/ 40k General

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First for I don't even know if this is a good list.

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This abortion of an army is no longer valid.

>>53869863
Why not?

>>53869863
What the fuck even is that?

>>53869872
Read the rules about battle forged armies.

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>>53869838
It is I, Cato Sicarius!

I, Cato Sicarius, demand suggestions for themes for my Ultramarines list. I, Cato Sicarius, demands that they be fluffy.

>>53869863
Too bad Eldar are still strong as hell

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Anything wrong with this list or will this be a good enough foundation for my army?

>>53869889
>smurfs in 2017

Hmm is Plasma a deathguard approved weapon?

Feels like its not their style.

Does anyone have a PDF version of the rulebook they could share? Calibre shits itself when I try to convert it and it becomes mangled up in other converters.

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>>53869872
You can't have more than one faction in your army.

All 5 indices(indexes?) epub up.

https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw

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Talking about gimmicky lists.

>>53869889

Tyrannic War Veterans, my man.

>>53869881
Eldar bike spam with Tau riptides, basically a good stuff army from 7E.

>>53869889
Shit on the table and call it a win. As fluffy for UltraSmurfs as it can be.

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2000 points of Oldcrons
HQ
Overlord
Staff of Light, Resurrection Orb
154 pts

Troops
Warriors x20
240 pts

Warriors x20
240 pts

Warriors x20
240 pts

Fast Attack
Destroyers x4, x1 Heavy Destroyer
247 pts

Destroyers x4, x1 Heavy Destroyer
247 pts

Heavy Support
Monolith
400 pts

Transcendent C'Tan
232 pts

Total: 2000 pts

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Been playing this list for a few weeks and I still feel like Im missing something

Chapter Tactics are going to make or break my army

Vulkan in the Redeemer with Librarian and Vets

>>53869914
So explain how you can have Space Marines and Astra Militarum?

FW Imperial Index when?

>>53869935
because they are both imperium

>>53869935
<IMPERIUM>

Same faction

>>53869935
Imperium Keyword?

>>53869889
A long lost Company, like the 9th Legion.

>>53869928
Why transcendant c'tan when the others are almost strictly better?

Also how are you dealing with melee rushes? Your list is decent against shooting but melee would pick you apart.

Needs Crypteks and/or Ghost Arks for reanimation boosting as well, this is the character buff edition.

>>53869917
THats not all 5, learn to count

>>53869863

>"I'M A SCAT MAN!"

>>53869964
He's still uploading. Don't be a dick, say thank you.

>>53869951
>>53869950
>>53869948
So you'll just get retarded armies fielding the best of the 'Imperium'.

Nice going GW.

>>53869963
It's Oldcrons. I.e. only original Necron Codex units only I think.

>>53869981
>Nice going GW.
word we love this direction

>>53869981

Do you hang out in any other 40kg? If so you'd know that as time goes on and they release books you'll be rewarded for playing more narrow armies just like in AoS.

>>53869987
Then at the very least the transcendant c'tan should be Nightbringer.

Why would you ever take Cataphractii over Tartaros or Indominus?

>7e psychic phase: communism
>8e psychic phase: capitalism
Prove me wrong

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Anyone got the rules from the FW imperial index, in particular the loyalist contemptor rules?

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reposting to new thread from >>53869670

In the next to games the marine factions and the necrons were unimportant to this report. This is due to the fact that in both cases these forces fought effectively a separate battle from the guard and plaguemarines which in both games consistently plowed right into each other without any contact with the other forces on the battlefield. The two games the important units were 3 to 6 bullgryns a 20 man conscript blob with commissar/priest support vs 20 poxwalkers/plaguebringer/Lord of Contagion and then Tiphus/poxwalkers in the 25 power game. In each game the Poxwalkers and conscripts were first to engage with each other, after which the bullgryns counter-charged the plaguebringer/Lord of Contagion/Tiphus in an attempt to save the consripts from the poxwalkers. Both game ended with the same result. The poxwalkers destroyed the consripts in combat. Not due really to their stats but due to the rule that allows poxwalkers to regain a model for any model killed in combat. Effectively they converted the conscripts into more poxwalkers. Meanwhile the bullgryn outright killed a plaguebringer/Lord of Contagion per turn while losing only 1 of 6 models and they killed Tiphus in 2 turns while losing 2 of 3 models.

My conclusion is that poxwalkers and Bullgryn are very good(disgustingly good) at their jobs while conscripts and plague marine HQs are good but not suited for the combat that they engaged in. That and it is worth noting that infantry squads and heavy weapons squads which weren't mentioned in the report all folded in combat to anything and everything that managed to charge their emplaced positions.

Also to >>53869830
>What was your Bullgryns' loadout?
Slabshield and Bullgryn power maul which is a +2 save and S7 AP-1 D2 with 32 attacks on a charge hitting on a +3 wounding on a +2 or +3 for 6 bullgryn supported by a priest.

>>53869981
Only the meme armies got dick over, Necrons, tau and ork. Everyone else can still mix and match.

The Orks not having friends to ally up is sad thou.

Are coldstars good? 20"-40" movement per turn is ridiculously nice but are the guns you're locked into even worth it? do they mesh well with the guns?

7 decides if my next army is Mechanicus or Scions

>>53869981

Yeah, nice going GW. Way to let us use fun and fluffy armies.

>>53869917
Thanks a ton, anon!

>>53869963
Plus taking a cryptek would give him another HQ, taking him to a batallion.

Which Ctan is best?

>>53870029
Mechanicum. Their models will be available one day....

>>53870029
Admech

They a cool!

>>53870029

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>>53869988
>>53870002
>>53870019
>>53870033
How much is GW paying you to shill?

I wanna get into it.

>>53870013
>7e few interesting psychic armies
>8e everyone gets three powers
Seems like eighth is communism.

>>53870029

OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS OPERATORS

>>53870029
I friend of mine plays both at the same time.

>>53870029
Ad Mech

>>53869981
Have you seen the rules? The "best of imperium" lists will just be all guard. Maybe a predator, but probably not even that.

>>53870029
Both

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i don't really know if the primaris dudes are relevant here, but they're cool so I wanted to include them

also, thoughts on pred autocannon vs twin lascannon?

>>53870056

>liking things is shilling

Leave.

>>53870067
Tis been decided then.

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>>53870056
I play SoB how the fuck I can shill for GW? I can't even buy the models for my army from GW

Will people notice if I use a illegal copy of the Indexes or not?

>>53870057
Just wait for the codex to give you a full psychic list you chink.

>>53870057
>7e: everyone shares warp charges and only the biggest shot uses them
>8e: each individual is free to roll for their own powers which they all gain individually through their own choice rather than randomly imposed on them by the warp

>>53870082
rip searchlights, dozer blades, hk missiles etc.

>>53869963

You can use destroyers with T5 3W 3+ each to screen warriors from melee

Being flyers, they can then fall back and shoot, leaving the charging unit in rapid fire range of your warriors.

How can I make primaris interesting?

anyone else remember the legendary missing armoury page?

:^)

>>53870087
>w8 4 8
>w8 4 codexes

After finding some old models and buying a few, I have about 30 necron warriors. Is that enough for a big unkillable robo horde, or should I get 10 more for two squads of 20?

>>53870111
wait for gw to add more depth first

>>53870133
We always knew we'd have to wait for codexes. This is not news.

>>53869904
>no deathwing
>no ravenwing
>land raider crusader
why?

>>53870075
liking objectively shit things is shilling.

>>53870144
>10 more for two squads of 20?
that, warriors in blobs are great. Add in your bits for better reanimation and some heavier guns and you're good to go

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>>53870016

I have a question related to my Bullgryns' +2 save and to a burnajet.

In my two most recent games the other players and I had a odd save question. When a burnajet is -1 to be hit by ground targets. A Aegis defence quadgun has a +1 to hit <fly> units.

The quadgun is +5 to hit ground targets. Now against the jet is it a +4 or +5 to hit? (so +5-1+1 or +5+1)

Equally a Bullgryn with slabshield has a +2 save, the highest you can get, but a Primaris Psyker can give it a +1 save. If a model with AP-1 hits the bullgryn I assume the +1 save from the Psyker negates the AP leaving the Bullgryn with a +2 still, do you think this is right?

>>53869862
I replied to you in previous thread.

>>53869904
May as well play vanilla marines/10

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i fucking love that photo

>>53870174
>why doesnt everyone hate what i hate REEEEEEEEEEEE
loving every laugh. Neck yourself

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>>53869981
yeah something like this

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What could this mean?

>>53870085
>Will people notice
Yes

>>53870177
All modifiers are cumulative, so if its BS is 5+, it has a +1 and a -1. 5+1-1=5+ to hit

With your shields, a save of 1 always fails, so your 2+ ignores the first ap-1 to remain a 2+

>>53869838
We get it Mortarion, you vape. You really didn't need to glue 10 of these fucking things to your respirator just to get your point across.

>>53870200
that looks like a pretty shit army.

>>53870203
DARK ELDAR SQUATTED

I can't wait until Primaris get a melee specialist unit. I'm painting mine as BA successors, so I wanna try Death Company Primaris.

>>53870203
>ipad
>no funny tabs open about hats
Mediocre

>>53870203
Fuck off already.

>>53869935
Same Faction: Imperium

>>53870203
DELDAR SQUATTED BTFO

>>53870039
Deceiver is best because it lets you scout itself+d3 units, which is amazing abd abusable.

Nightbringer is the pain model, specializes in killing none-vehicle characters.

Trannys suck now. I miss 6E apocalypse transcendant.

>>53870174

Not everyone has to share your shit tastes.

>>53870217
All the primaris had their geneseed flaws fixed, even the puppies and vampires

Anyone have a guess at how far away the non-Dark Imperium plastic Plague Marines are?

>>53870214
500 pts left for wargear options. almost everything is blank due to me not being familiar with marine options.

>>53870174
Objective quality does not exist; people like things that are different than the things you like

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>>53870203
Gee I wonder.

>>53870243
I was under the impression Space Wolves couldnt take primaris?

>>53870203
That it sold out in the UK? Why do you feel the need to post this in every thread?

>>53870243

Rule of Cool, my man. Death Company Primaris are cool, so they stand.

>>53870257
They can't, they're still doing their wulfy wulf wulf thing as far as we know, but there are primaris made with leman russes gene-jizz. They just lack all the non-cosmetic gene mutations, so no wulfening out. Thanks, Cawl!

>>53870243
"fixed"

We know Cawl has some ORder 66 shit in there somewhere.

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>>53870074
Just gunna throw a couple of ideas out.
Replace Termy Captain with Lemartes and combine the Death Company into one Squad. This gives you a higher chance of getting Death Company into combat turn one, since you can reroll the charge, then even one a command point if one your dice ends up being a six and you fail the reroll.

I'm not sure how good good two flame Baal Predators will be 2bh, I can imagine you getting clogged up when trying to advance, so perhaps go one flamer baal and one dakkabaal to experiment.

I think that the Captain and the Primaris squads have a place, since they can guard / protect the Predators, the Captains aura would help them out a lot.

>>53870235
>scout with deciever
>60 warriors within rapidfire range turn 1

>>53870257
It's on their list of available units

>>53870257
The Dark Imperium assembly and painting instructions specifically shows a Space Wolf Intercessor and the transfer sheet comes with transfers for them.

>>53870257
Of course they can. The SW transfers are even in the Dark Imperium box. And I doubt they're for the Death Guard...

>>53870244
Not sure. The ones in the plague marine rules were a kitbash of Forge World and CSM kits.

>>53870243

Well, that's what's suspected, since they haven't manifested any yet, but it's possible that they're going to end up succumbing to them in new and exciting ways, as has been implied in the fluff about Primaris.

Of course, if my theory is right and more Primarchs start coming back, then it's likely they'll start mutating or otherwise changing on exposure to their Primarch.

>>53870257

Space Wolves had a whole successor made of Primaris, though they lacked the additional Canis Helix. Also their successor is kind of bummed because they are unable to return to Fenris, and it's dubious as to whether they are even considered true sons of Russ anyway.

But fuck that, now you can have a Primaris Space Wolves army sans yiffening, stealing only the occasional wolf tail and talisman for dressing up your Primaris and painting them in their traditional colors and patterns.

>>53870257
The better question is why can't grey knights take them? Is it because there gene-seed is so whacky?

>>53870280
Painting them, sure. They arent getting official rules though
>>53870285
shhhhhh, let the corpse-worshippers enjoy their temporary reprieve
>>53870283
welp, maybe they can take chads, i'm just going off the Dark Imperium novel, who had an obnoxious as ever woof, but he was just a hairy marine instead of a degenerating werewolf

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This is happening locally.

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Stahp making fun of me

>>53870330
Where's the info on this successor chapter? Did they already put out some fluff for it?

>>53869921
So this is how the Imperium does harlequins

>>53870337
Not sure why everyone is making that joke when Buzz Lightyear's proportions matches the old marines more accurately than the new Primaris models.

>>53870337

I wish I had saved that original picture. Only thing that marine needs is one of Bombshell Miniature's bubble helmets to seal the deal.

>>53870332

That's why I said I hope they get melee specialists soon. So I can just proxy them as Death Company.

Any ideas for a decent 50pt SM list?

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Daily reminder that all the Tau WAAC fags are now playing Orks.

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Been playing with the attached list - seems to be doing pretty well right now. Out of the 10 or so 8th games I've played with it its 6-2 which I'm pretty pleased with.

>>53870349

Only a painted model of it and their name, Wolfspear.

>>53870107
That is an interesting tactic, I like it.

I take Triarch Stalkers for my big guns though, they are the patrician's choice as they vastly improve my troops' shooting.

Did someone end up counting all the instances of Wolf in the Space Wolves codex?

>>53870370
I cannot wait for the first waac faggot to do a trailing line like that and meet a beserker charge with shit hanging like that.

>>53870373
I'm surprised how popular crystal targetting matrices are. Most eldar lists seem to take them. Is it just because they're cheap?

>>53870349

I think they're mentioned in the Dark Imperium book, where fucking everything else is.

The gist I got from the lore I could steal from others who had read it is that they consider themselves true Sons of Russ, but won't be going home to Fenris and will instead be settling on a new icy planet of their own, apart from their progenitors. I'm not sure what the Space Wolves think of Primaris at the moment, though it's probably suspicion.

Otherwise, they're called Wolfspear and are Primaris in Space Wolf colors and that's really it.

>>53870291
interesting idea with lemartes anon, thanks

i think i'll keep the double flamebaal though because they can be used as ad-hoc anti-air

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>>53870370
>salty taufags trying to shame ork players

It must've been sad, having to sell your unpainted army on ebay.

>>53870404
Who cares? You allocate deaths. Plus you'll only be in range of a few models.

So what happened to the dragon under Mars? did it get retconned?

I haven't being paying attention for a few years.

>>53870368
SM are shit now. Bolters are fucking terrible and devastators are too expensive.

>>53870411

Cheap and nice to keep my Shruiken Cannons doing something on the first turn when I'm advancing. I could save points on some vehicle upgrades but I like the flexibility of either advancing quickly and getting -1 to be shot at and still having a fully functional shruiken cannon or moving at a more normal pace and having a solid fire power base.

>>53870373
Looks pretty good actually, needs more Hemlock though if you are looking to pad your winrate. Autohit is definitely an error.

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>>53870339
Hey look, the iron warriors are building a new fortress

>>53870426

No idea. Horus Heresy books have some stuff, as do the AdMech books, but otherwise it's still kind of a mysterious non-entity.

>>53870368
Yes, play normal points.

>>53870404
Trailing models means less swings. It means they consolodate out of range soon enough as well. So you are going to get fucked and not have hq support because your leader is at the back of the table.

>>53870428
>Bolters are fucking terrible
>in hordehammer edition

>>53870428
>the entire SM armoury is bolter tac marines and dev squads

>>53870447

I was originally playing with 2 and with a Warlock instead of Yvraine but the trade off is worth it for me. A Razorwing is a nice middle ground that brings up some nice punch with a smidge of AP as well.

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My Dream has come true! I don't care if its good or bad but I now have an army made up only of my Favorite model!

As an added bonus its just under 100 power level so that's good for when i run into those people.

>>53870426
Its biggest shard, World Engine had set course on Mars.

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>>53870469
Well sounds like you know what you are doing anyway.

>>53870111
Give them bolo ties and make them a primaris chapter from Space texas

Besides waiting for Mortiarion and the DG terminators are there any units that I should add to the death guard that came in dark imperium right now? Are defilers and helbrutes any good?

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>>53870462
>not exclusively using Bolter Marines/HBolter Devastators
Do you even Imperial Fisting brah?

>>53870504

To get the 2nd I just don't know what I'd give up. I'd need to clear 41 points and I don't know where I'm willing to give it up.

>>53870522
Defilers? Not really.

Helbrutes? I'd say yes.

>>53870522
Defilers arent great because they cost a bomb for not much more than a hellbrute, hellbrutes are good though

So are Railsides even more useless now than they were before? It seems Ion Cannons are just better at everything

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>>53870578
Railheads* hurdur

Which faction has the best looking vehicles and why is it Dark Eldar?

How many plasma gun suicides have you had so far, /tg/?

>>53870602
I take your DEldar, and raise you a Custodian

>>53870578
No. They don't need ATS to carry their ass, leaving you with a support slot for something else. HRR has longer range which is ok on a M5'' unit with heavy weapons. Also I think they HRR edged over HYMP against land raiders and similar targets. HRR can deal mortal wounds, something you can't really plan around but can definetily be a game changer. Yeah and HRR is now cheaper than 2xHYMP so there's that too.

>>53869838
So what's the best mining weapon to take for Acolytes in GSC? The cutter and drill both look good and it's hard to pick. Same with Goliath Rockgrinder weapons.

>>53870578
>>53870676
Fuck, got caught up with broadsides. Railgun on HH is still cheaper and is still better on heavier targets (land raiders, monoliths etc.) Also longstrike gets mortal wounds on 5+ against vehicles and monsters.

>>53870619
>yfw with the new modifiers rules you die when overcharging a plasma gun vs a ghostkeel on a 1 2 or 3.

>>53870525
>no hbolter primaris marines
FUCK

>>53870716
Inceptors though

>>53870578
>>53870601
The chart guy ran some numbers on them. I think in general the Ion cannon is more versatile, but against most targets the Fault in is actually still quite effective, and it excels against heavier vehicles and lighter hordes thanks to submunitions.

I actually feel the Ion cannon isn't really worth the points.

>>53870701
Cutter, it's cheaper.

And clearance incinerator for the Rockgrinder. You're a transport with a drill on the front, you want to advance as much as possible.

>>53870637

I raise SoB

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>>53870716
That's what you get for messing with the Emperors work, son.

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>>53870716
They have 2 Hand Heavy Bolters

Which is fucking retarded, I hate Primaris, RRREEEEE

>>53870098
>7th: a whole bunch of unique and interesting powers available.
>8th: Deficit. Store shelves are empty. You can choose one of the three powers or a universally available one.

Let's not go into the political analogies. I'm still angry about Plague Shitmarines getting their own list of powers and Thousand Sons getting fuckall. Psyker Legion didn't get their own powers. The fuck is that?

>>53870763
>>53870738
Keep forgetting about that. Really excited to see the chapter tactics applied to them.

>>53870447

How do you figure its an error - they're heavy d-scythes which used to be blast weapons.

>>53870190
I call it Karamazov and his bitches.

>>53870740
>>53870706
Thank you both. Good luck in your 8th games! For the Greater Good!

>>53870787
Just be patient. We'll get our interesting psychic powers back one day.

>>53870750
>literally just rhinos with bits stuck on

>>53870763
What is it with GW and their need to highlight absolutely everything everywhere, no matter how miniscule?

>>53870763
> Hand Heavy Bolters

That's so fucking retarded.

>>53870056
oh no, someone disagrees with me, he must be payd by someone to do that

grow up faggot

suggestions for conscript models to go alongside my steel legion?

>>53870750
>rhinos and razorbacks
>and a rhino with a pipe organ, i guess
SoB schemes are nice, true, but the models are ass

>>53870828
t. john blanche

>>53870834

The Exorcist is a thing of baroque, gothic beauty.

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>>53870832
Just buy a 100 of these

>>53870174
then your mother must be shilling because you are objectively shit

>>53870337
Is that a chastity belt?

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>>53870797
>Not sure if stupid or troll

Because it almost certainly is. Most d3 shot weapons for other factions used to be blasts as well, like the plasma cannon. You roll to hit with others.

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>>53870014

Note that the flexible build contemptor for loyalists has a 2+ save, 2 extra wounds, a move stat that never degrades and is venerable.

Note also that that means it's more costly than the simple fist+Kheres or Melta one, or the chaos one that has all the equipment but doesn't have all the extra buffs.

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>>53870853
Holy shit talk about REKT

>>53870836
I mean, what's the point of painting highlights if everything is a highlight? Accentuate the sharpest edges, where light can catch, and not everything.

>>53870890
it's not supposed to be realistic painting

>>53870851
only after 20 and cadians a shit

>>53870832
Duncan rhodes uses converted chaos cultists as conscripts. he just replaces the cultist heads with normal human heads.

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>Swarms of necron warriors backed by monoliths

>Swarms of deathwing with knights and belial

>Nidzilla

>FW custodes in the hope that all their cool shit eventually gets 40k rules

WHAT ARMY DO I START

>>53870852
Your flight commander would probably be better off with an ATS than a shield generator. Your plasma crisis don't need target locks. The Marksman feels super fucking random, and actually so do the stealth suits.

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>>53870883
>twin-linked weapons are now Twin weapons
>they now have double the amount of shots
>auto dreads now dish out 8 shots each

Good Lord I was not expecting this.

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>>53870883

Also there's a Mortis variant, it doesn't have the +2 wounds 2+ save and venerable either.

>>53870919
all of them

or let someone else decide, i would take Necrons if i were you, i think about starting an Necron army, too

>>53870919
I can tell you like sucking dick based on your writing style, so go with tau.

>>53870901
Yeah I know, but it's still a bit much, if you see them so up-close and big on a screen. Might look better in natural light, but just doing edge highlights everywhere is a bit too much for my taste.

>>53870919
necrons

easiest to change direction when you get bored of your current army

>>53870928

Take that one Mortis, you don't need a never-degrading move if you don't have a power fist, and with long range don't need as much protection from dying either.

Go Nids, the more they sell the better

>>53870973
>>53870919
Meant for

>>53870386
>>53870417
Well, interesting to know at least. I'm really tempted to start them up. I like the idea of a Space wolf force without all the furry shit

>>53870917
that's not a bad idea, may give that a go

>>53870039
All of them at once. Thinking of fielding 3 myself.

What's the best way to contact forge world for a rules question? Email?

>>53870832
>ARmageddon
>conscripts

Penal legions and mutant-lookingpeople from the wastes? Maybe use like...zombies or something like that. Crypt Ghouls?

>>53870970
Nice damage control. All the riptidefags from my store have already moved over to guard.

>>53870792

I'm beginning to suspect that Space Marines might not get such huge bonuses with Chapter Tactics after all, and that it might just be wargear and Hero abilities queued to their faction Keywords.

Would certainly tone down the power level discrepancy that Chapters had in 6e/7e, and make them more subtle so that your favorite Chapter can still work any way it needs to rather than being shoehorned into a single playstyle in service of its free bonuses.

>>53871002
Using those for my cultists, can confirm that is looks good mixed in with other models.

>>53870919
>Deathwing
>swarm

A single conscript squad has more bodies than most Deathwing armies.

Wait, so wheres the Contemptor missile launcher?

>>53871021
How bad were the power level differences? New to the hobby.

>>53870832

3rd party permissible?

>>53871021
>I'm beginning to suspect that Space Marines might not get such huge bonuses with Chapter Tactics after all, and that it might just be wargear and Hero abilities queued to their faction Keywords.

I am wondering that. As right now basically every single faction has a Chapter equivalent keyword and I don't quite see GW filling all of them out.

Is there any new fluff on how Guilliman and the Dark Angels see each other? Credible rumors about Lion waking up?

Trying to decide what to kit out my Raptor with - plasma pistols seem pretty legit now, but is it worthwhile to loose the extra attack from the chainsword and just take the full plasma gun? Or, how are meltas looking?

>>53871008
FOR FUCKS SAAAAAKE.

My first amy when i was like 7 was Guard. I've got loads of guard. When I was about 13 Tau came out & I collected them alongside guard. I've got shit loads of other armies but those two are the ones I play. Last edition forced me to put away the Tau because of the WAAC cunts I don't want that to happen with the Guard this time around. I love them too much.

Is there a scan of the Death Guard booklet from the Dark Imperium box out there?

>>53871052
yeah anything goes just looking for ideas

>>53871002
yeh my have a look at those models and see if anything strikes me

>>53870988

Shit, EVERYONE does. Ever since the dog-headed half-Cestus Assault Ram and the wolf sled pulled by space wolves, people have been kind of dying to go for a more Norse themed chapter sans huge emphasis on wolves. Like, Norse peoples had other animals and entities they decorated shit with, like horses and deer and bears and shit. /tg/'s own Star Krakens were a response to this.

Primaris are a huge opportunity to just tone things down a little. Maybe indulge yourself by including Fenrisian wolves that stand alongside the Primaris to make a fluffy and intimidating image, but drop the furry yffing and copious wolf decorations and talismans for a simple paintscheme and the occasional trinket.

>>53870331
You can't grow super-psykers in a vat

>>53871073
You shouldn't request such things on a blueboard anon !

I bought the box set, doing Primaris Imperial Fists

Is it worth buying a couple of extra squads off of ebay now that they're cheap (like a tenner) even if they might be shite or get better boxes with better options?

>>53870919
Custodes is clearly the coollest, but relying on FW rules writers to actually do anything is a terrible idea so 'Nids is the obvious choice

>>53871049
Extremely bad. Top 4 around 2015-2016 when i quit was Tau, SM, Necrons and Eldar. Everyone else was generally shit

Anyone else had to have some form of list tailoring and having the top 4 de-power their lists to even have a chance.

>>53871008
Why exactly is the Imperial guard strong now ?
It looks better than in 7e, but i fail to see why the IG is the new Tau empire....

I am honestly curious since i play guard

>>53871127
IG are the new bottom of the top 4 in the game? How is that relevant

>>53871127
Cheap infantry with tones of special weapons and immunity to morale.

Are Tyrant guard in units of 1-3 or 1-6?

Power rating says up to 6, page 138 of Xenos says 1-3.

>>53871125
Should've been more clear, I meant between the Chapters.

>>53871119
>Is it worth
No
>Get better boxes
Yes, or wait until more primaris sets release.

>>53871102
Yeah. I may give them their own animal to be themed around, maybe bears or something so I can explain the use pelts, but I'd rather it be a subtle aspect of their chapter. More like how Raven Guard are tricky and have the occasional beak or wings, rather than turning into giant crows, riding giant crows, and deploying in bird shaped vehicles with bird shaped weapons.

what was the main differences between 5th and 6th edition?

Also between 6th and 7th?

Curious to what other editions have done and why.

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>>53870853

top kek

>>53871021
I fear you may be right, but I sure hope not. Chapter tactics added a ton of flavour, just like formations. Sure, GW had trouble balancing them, but unless you made every unit wound and save on 4s, while moving 4" and costing the exact same amount of points, GW would find a way to fuck up the balance.

>>53871049

Absolutely useless (most Forgeworld and half the Codex Chapter Tactics) to so good you'd be an idiot not to use it (Imperial Fists). Generally, they just kind of blew things out of proportion, and they'd be better by being more subtle or simply keyworded so their own stuff works with their own units.

>>53871057

Codex by Codex, probably. Release half a dozen examples for most armies and a few for Marines and you have some fluffy and slightly mechanical differences between armies. A few choice differences between Skitarii Forgeworlds and maybe a couple wargear options, or a few neat distinctions between Hive Fleets and Ork Clans and you have happy hobbyists who have mechanical choice at their disposal, like 3.5e Guard and CSM players.

Anyone know where to find good Resin or plastic sister models? I know there are no real ones, but someone must have made somethinng

>>53871038

>Where's the contemptor missile launcher

That's exactly why I want to contact them, to see if it was an oversight.

Something like

"Hello, I just purchased the ebook versions of the forge world Astartes and Chaos indexes, and noticed that the contemptor dreadnought variants (Relic, Mortis and Hellforged) all lack the ability to take a cyclone missile launcher for which a part exists and is currently for sale. As I have already modeled some Contemptors with this upgrade, I am wondering if this was an intentional omission or an oversight?

Thank you for any advice you can give on this matter,

Name."

I'm thinking as email, unless there's a better way to contact them.

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>>53870919
Nids because the hive mind wills it of that massive variety. Get sick of nidzilla? Swarm. Get sick of swarming? Mix it up with lictors, raveners and trygons. Lots of cool units and a metric fuck ton of different tactics because of your huge variety.

>>53871096
It won't. We're diverse enough that if conscripts do prove to be highly overpowered, just don't field them and go tanks.

>>53871177
6th introduced flyers. And when Tau got a huge power boost.
Formations were added in 7th I believe as well, which broke the entire fucking game. But other than that there was not much changed from 6th to 7th

>>53870829
Shut up, it's amazing.

>>53871195
Cant the hellforged take a greater havoc launcher?

>>53870919
Don't do custodes

>>53871191

>Codex by Codex, probably. Release half a dozen examples for most armies and a few for Marines and you have some fluffy and slightly mechanical differences between armies. A few choice differences between Skitarii Forgeworlds and maybe a couple wargear options, or a few neat distinctions between Hive Fleets and Ork Clans and you have happy hobbyists who have mechanical choice at their disposal, like 3.5e Guard and CSM players.

Yeah, I'd really like to see them do it for all factions. It's something I've been jealous of Marines over for the longest time, the ability to pick a subfaction and have it change how you play a bit.

>>53871205
Doesn't matter what you actually field, if you have an infestation of WAACfags, then everyone just comes to hate your army entirely, without reason

>>53871230

No, that's a Deredeo.

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Snikrot a best!

>>53871021
I feel like to do it right, they would have to make such bonuses cost points. Like going iron hands to give everyone a 6+ FnP and regen for vehicles would be an extra 2 points per model along with 10 points for any given tank, for example.

>>53871213
The introduction of the Psychic Phase was probably the biggest change from 6th to 7th.

6th was also when Eldar got a new codex that made them OP once more, after they were 'only' middle tier during the end of 5th and early 6th.

>>53871142
well, now that you mentioned it i see why that may be pretty strong

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>>53871193
The ones I hear about the most are:
>grishnak - pic related, basically copies of sister models, some anon bought some and was happy with the quality
>raging heroes - don't like them myself, but some proxy them as sisters
>dreamforge eisenkern with a headswap (but apologies, can't remember where the anons doing this got the female heads for them)

>>53871176

Just take a look at Norse mythology and borrow a few aesthetics and ideas from it, plus the general Space Wolf designs.

I mean, everyone doesn't need to wear bear or wolf pelts at the same time, so one Captain might wear a couple of crow skulls on his shoulders to symbolize Odin's birb friends, while another might paint an antler design on his armor's kneecap, and another might have a bear claw painted inconspicuously in the corner of his shoulderpad.

Depends on whether or not you want them all to make one big unified statement, or a bunch of smaller, more personalized-to-the-model statements that add up to a grander image.

>>53871245
He better cost 50 points or he's fucknig shit.

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>>53871272
>>53871193
And the eisenkern conversion.

How do make tac marines useful? Bolters put out a shit amount of dice and can't kill anything.

>>53871272
Statuesque miniatures

There is a less bulky female models from Dream Forge but 40k guns look stupidly big

>>53871291
>triggered

>>53871272
Wait I just realized that miniatures don't slot in like that.

I last played in 4th edition.

When was that introduced?

do we have any rules for tyranid dimachaeron, saw malanthrope somewhere but forgot to save it.

>>53871236

Ork Clans have had, for the longest time in fluff, some of the largest distinctions between each other that it's just a huge injustice that they don't see any of it on the table.

>>53871178
ISSOU

>>53871297
The bolter dudes are suppose to be meatshields for the tac marine with the special/heavy weapon and the sergant.

>>53871001
shut up fag.

>>53871288
He's 69 points, anon.

>>53871358
>gi... girls are gross!

>>53871375
They really are.

>>53871335
Shut up. We need more rules for space marines. Like codex for each company for all the relevant chapters.

>>53870056
>Thinking this is how you get into shilling

Fucking amfags crack me up. They don't recruit directly from 4chan anymore.

Then again, if this is how you'd go about it you might be better off applying to McDonalds.

>>53871245
>6 Wounds

What the fuck happened? Why do characters have so many wounds now? Last time I checked Calgar had like 4.

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Why are cultists 5pts when guardsmen are only 4?

Why can I stick 20 heavy weapon teams in a stormlord and have them all fire out?

Why does a shadowsword have the potential to cause 70 wounds at str 16 ap -5?

Why did they get rid of the vendetta?

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For the guy who won't stop constantly asking for Vaylund Cal.

>>53871390
>wanting rules for different paint schemes

>>53871274
Hmm, that's a good thought. I may want to look over that for more inspiration.

I planned to run The Tainted with Death Guard rules since they are a splitoff, like the various "Vectorums" in the painting thing for Death Guard. But now Forge World has released two models with "The Tainted" as a seperate fucking thing, and one of those models has "The Tainted" AND fucking Death Guard. Plus DEATH GUARD CANT TAKE FUCKING BLIGHT DRONES OR PLAGUE HULKS UNLESS THEY BELONG TO ANOTHER LEGION.
Forge World really should get its shit together on this, maybe make a seperate "Tainted Army List" with the various models from DG available as Tainted and something to let DG take Blight Drones and shit.

>>53871435
Rules for non-NPC armies you mean.

>>53871421

Because weapons now have damage values. Getting hit with a plasma gun takes off 2 wounds per hit. while a meltagun will strip off 2k1d6 wounds.

>>53871428
>Why did they get rid of the vendetta?
what i didn't realize this

lmao gw

>>53871432
May I ask for Moloc and Tyberos?

>>53871390
Are you fucking retarded? Stick all the marines into one codex. Put Wolves in a special yiffer codex. Include chapter tactics. You're done.

>>53869889
ebic haha

>>53871150
What game mode you playing?

>>53871335
Goffs - Boyz get +1 to-hit in the Fight phase in a turn in which they charged

Deathskulls - Lootas +1 to-hit during Sooting

Bad Moons - re-roll rolls in teh shooting phase: failed Gets Hot rolls, dice when determining random S/AP/etc. of a gun.

Evil Suns - Anything w keyword <Vehicle> or <Bike> has an extra 3" of movement

Blood Axes - ..? No penalty for Looted Vehicles because tey're used to them?

>>53871449
>lel npc meme guys

>>53871428
Do they sell a vendetta?

>>53871468
Fuck off. You xenos got 2 indecies wile marines only got 1. That's enough stuff for you for couple of years.

>>53871482

Blood Axes would do nicely with a variant of the Genestealer Cults special rule.

Konscription: For each full unit of orks, you can take a non-character unit of Imperial Guard that count as part of the same army.

>>53871466
Seconding this, best Chapter Master and Lord Spehss Shark need to be revealed.

>>53871428
Cultists can stand alongside CSM. (then again, using the Imperium keyword, so can guard)

Stormlords have windows

Volcano Cannons fluffwise are known to one-shot titans.

This I don't know. It would have been so easy to just: The Multilaser can be replaced with a LAscannon.
The 2 Multiple Rocket Pods can be replaced by 2 Twin Lascannons.

>>53871496
>most samey army got an index to themselves
>8 radically different factions with entirely different playstyles had to share 2 indexes

The amount of delusion from you spoiled marinefags is getting to meme levels.

>>53871432
Any chance you'd upload the full epub?

Where are the FW epubs?

>>53871482
>Bad Moonz
>Wargear upgrades cost less than 1 point, to a minimum of 1 pt

>>53871432
Hey, do you have Silas Alberec?

>>53871547
In the archives, go look for them.

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>>53871521

Here is Tyberos

>>53871428
That is weird. Is there a difference ib abilities?

GS Cultists also cost 5 points, but they have 8 leadership, reroll 1s to hit in close combat, and have Cult Ambush deployment.

>>53871496
Fuck off and die.

Marines have been the focus for decades and get an entire index to themselves dedicated to your 192 units.

Meanwhile tyranids haven't had a decent codex since 4th

>>53871551

Playing with points costs is likely a very bad idea for balance.

>>53871504
I forgot they do Kommandos as well. Maybe instead of that, they steal the GSC schtick of Cult Assault? Popping up from nowhere, etc?

then of course, they each get at least one special unit (like the marine chapters).

Goff Nob mob (tougher? allowsnobs in mobs of 20+?)

Deathskull Loota - upgraded version of existing lootas?

Bad Moon...mek something? Like a mek council?

Evil Suns - squadroned special warbuggy/trak type thing?

Blood Axe - special mob that starts with bolt pistols/chainswords and can upgrade/exchange w other imperial weapons?

Feral - something something weirdboys

>>53871568
Dumb question, is there going to be a Primaris version of named characters like him?

>>53871428
>Why are cultists 5pts when guardsmen are only 4?
I notice it too. Makes no sense, Guardsmen are superior, including support from the rest of the army. Yet they cost less.

>>53871581
Sure is a lot of troll-feeding going on here, it wasn't even particularly clever trolling

>>53871596
Doubt it.

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>>53871496
A marine player whining about other races getting absolutely anything.

What a time to be alive

>>53871591
>savage orks
Boyz with a 5+ invuln, duh.

>>53871551
>>53871588

maybe they just get a special Wargear section. Bad Moon KFF, Bad Moon blasta, etc. Either cheaper or better/different than the standard Orky versions.

>>53871547
Only the Chaos one has leaked so far. I'm assuming you're talking about 8th.

>>53871591
A snakebites special unit would be the perfect opportunity to reintroduce boarboyz.

>>53871617
Presumably because Chaos marks are free and once Codex-es drop they're actually going to do something

>>53871633
Shit, forgot about those. Yeah, we need more Cavalry in 40k.

Mecha-boar for teh Warboss/nobs

Who chooses which order wounds are saved when a weapon causes different types of wounds, e.g. a sniper rifle that causes both mortal wounds and regular wounds?

>>53871596

It's possible. But unlikely, at least for the foreseeable future.

>>53871626
Get to reroll natural 1's of variable stats (shots/strenght/ap/damage)

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Anyone got the new rules for the minotaurs characters?
Anyone got scans of the FW imperial index yet?

>>53871428
>Why are cultists 5pts when guardsmen are only 4?
Why are Kroot Hounds 4ppm when Hormagaunts are 5ppm, when Kroot Hounds are better in every way? The rules writers still play favorites, that's why.

>>53871654
mortal wounds don't get a save, not even invuln

>>53871457
Indeed, it seems that now that the valk model is old now and they dont need to have that OP variant to force us to buy it.

>>53871492
Do they sell forgeworld rulebooks for 8e yet?

>>53871524
Yeah cultists are just inferior overall. Theyre really bad, you shouldnt take them. Thats the reality of it, which breaks my heart because I prefer to run mortals to space marines like everyone else.

I just wont run them anymore and take shadowswords instead.
Or a stormlord with 20 heavy weapons inside.
I cant pick.

>>53869863
was that a real army in seventh?

>>53871669
>>53871466
>>53871521
Didnt see this anon already asked. So I guess, thirded?

Why are tau HQ so fucking cheap? 2 points for a fireblade that depending on his positioning can give his army about 4 free points per unit affected? I thought GW were done with giving shit free rules?

>>53871673
It's called internal balance.

>>53871692
Were you living under a rock in 7th or are you just joining us for 8th?

>>53871619
>>53871658
Wanted to keep my whole army Primaris. Not having Belial will certainly fuck up my plans for a Deathwing army.

>>53871581
40k is told from the perspective of space marines. All fluff addresses the player as if they were a space marine captain, because that is the effective role most players will take on the battlefield commanding their first army.

Warhammer 40k is about space marines, all the other factions exist to give them things to fight besides just eachother.

Ancients: Yay or nay?

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>Need to paint a shit ton of Orks
>All this talk of feral boyz has me wanting to start my "Weirdboy Feral Kult"
>Boarboyz, AoS Boyz/Nobz, Meganob Black Orks, Orkanaut Spider
>Some of the boyz will have Chaos corruption

Stop Speaking Immedietly

>>53871588
Points are superior for balancing than power levels by a longshot.

>>53871673
Hormas have amazing support from other units in the army while kroot hounds are garbage that can't kill anything nor slow anything down. Also infantry >>>>> beast in this edition.

>>53871637
But right now they do literally nothing.

>>53870446
Shuriken Cannons are assault, it's only needed for the other options.

>>53871428
>Why did they get rid of the vendetta?

Because given the way things work now, it would end up being like six lascannon shots.

>>53871673
Kroot Hounds are a fast melee unit in a shooty army.

Hormagaunts are a fast melee unit in an army with a lot of melee monsters.

Hormies hav ebetter synergy with their army than KH.

>>53871710
>Tau
>balance
lmao

>>53871716
>this is what marine players actually believe

>>53871654
There's actually a cool new wound allocation process called reading the fucking rules.

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>Chapter Master of the Lamenters
>Doesn't get the Chapter Master rule

When will our suffering end?

>>53871673
Oh my, how unsettling, that's definetly gettig added to the question list.

What's a good source for combi-plasmaguns? I feel the need to be a filthy prick and load out my Chaos termies with them

>>53869964
I see 5 there, you ungrateful shit lord

>>53871780
I play guard.

>>53871673

Kroot hounds have minimal synergy
Have you bothered reading any indices?

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>builder in the OP doesn't have AdMech/CultMech yet
Suffering to the finest

>>53871828
Anon, it's obvious that Lord of Ruin replaces it.

>>53871858
>be admech player
>can't use pdf/excell/pen&paper
>can't do basic math
>needs a picture book list builder
Fucking pottery.

>>53871683
Then take the pseudo-rending on shuriken weapons as a better example.
A unit of guardians get 1 "rending" and 1 normal wound when shooting a unit of terminators with one TH+SS terminator with 1 wound remaining and one LC terminator with 2 wounds remaining.
If the terminator player gets to choose order, he wants to save the "rending" first to get to use his 3++, but if the guardian player gets to choose order, he wants the normal wound to be saved first in hopes of killing off the TH+SS and getting -3 AP against a model with a worse invuln.

>>53871730
That doesn't answer my question of who chooses the order, because it assumes that you're firing with one weapon at a time but doesn't take weapons with variable stats into account.

Is anyone else's ePub readers showing the font all jacked up in the GW files?

>>53870098
>7e: everyone generates warp charges and all of it goes to the most powerful psyker
Smells like capitalism to me.

WFT are Hellions good for?