Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Guard need new models.

Question about Tyranid Guards in points games.

Are they units of 1-3 in points and 3-6 in power?

first for orks are still bad

>>53873317
http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Regiments/regiments-full-squads
There you go anon.

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>>53873283
ALRIGHT YOU DEGENERATES, HERE'S THE BIG QUESTION:

plasmas or meltas?

>>53873336
kill yourself

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Oy boss! How's this looking for starting out the WHAAAAGH?

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Any of you gits played with/against Lootas and Flash Gits?

>>53873336
i dont want to play with trash though
>>53873342
both

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>rules are streamlined
>retards still cant follow basic rules

>>53873342
melta weapons are fucking unusable trash this edition, so plasmaguns all the way

>>53873283
I like to think that the space marine is the sort of asshole with a djent stick.

Now that Dark Imperium is out, how much is the Dark Vengeance box worth? My LGS has 2 copies, and they're not sure what the price should be now that its outdated.

Where is the damn Astartes Index edition

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Reposting from the last thread

Thoughts fellow fa/tg/uys?

>>53873372

Depends on the platform I think, my combi-melta Chaos Terminators have done well for me (but that's mostly because of Warptime allowing you to get within melta range.)

>>53873324
keep telling yourself that

>>53873372
this. meltas are expensive too

>>53873363
Honestly, what did you expect ?
>>53873378
Same price as before, if they decrease the price it means that they charged you too much before ( at least thats how my store sees it )

Penitent Engines are insane, but too slow IMO.

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>>53873342
It's like GW is trying to tell us something...

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>>53873348
>>53873354
>>53873382
I, too, prefer the superior GW sculpts!

Can someone tell me where in the rulebook it says that the FLYER keyword means -1 to hit rolls?
I can't seem to find the page.

dark vengeance is OOP

The Archon and his Retinue are such a cool concept. I wish they had more unique abilities though.

>>53873352
Yep and they blasted the crap out of marines and guard from inside a battlewagon.

For 636 points you can get:

>Sorcerer in jump pack
>10 terminators with combi plasmas
>sorcerer casts 'prescience' on them, using rerolls to better secure it if needed
>terminators now do 20 shots of S8, AP-3, 2 Damage shots, hitting on 2s.
>if you include a chaos lord with jump pack for as little as 93 points, you can reroll ones.

>>53873439

It's in the "Hard to Hit" rule.

>>53873440
Doesn't mean someone can't have the boxes lying around in his LGS.

>>53873439
It doesn't, but many fliers have custom rules that grant them -1 to hit rolls.

>>53873449
Which ones, boss?

>>53873440
rev up those dumpsters boyz, its time to start fallen armies

>>53873352
Freeboota WAAAGH!s are best WAAAGH!s

>>53873446
I wish Archons were more customizable in general. Have the option of a Reaver Archon, Hellion Archon, or even a Scourge Archon.

>>53873455
>It doesn't, but many fliers have custom rules that grant them -1 to hit rolls.
What page?

>>53873439
It doesn't. Only specific flyers have a special rule that imposes the -1 to hit penalty.

>>53873436
i stand by my statement, but i could have phrased it nicer

That guy also gave me an erection, thats how beautiful that model is

>>53873480
Hard to Hit is on whatever page your unit is on. It's a unit specific rule, and not all fliers have it.

>>53873408

I'm not buying it. I'm just helping them out with their warhammer stuff, and I'm concerned that it will never move with Dark Imperium out, especially since the rule book in the DV box is outdated.

>>53873480
They are on their datasheets.

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>>53873472
And we'll make sure everyone knows it!

Just bought the starter. Going to paint my primaris guys tonight and hopefully start a primaris army.

Is there any benefit to paint them as BA over Vanilla? Do they get any special rules?

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after months i couldn't choose an army so i just rolled a dice and got inquisition... any tips where to start?

>>53873481
>>53873460
Thanks for clearing that up!

>>53873431
shi_sters of b-asshole

>>53873480
airborne rule

So when are we getting non-snapfit Primaris?

>>53873515
Jokaeros.

>>53873486
But seriously, what's the matter with Victoria and Anvil? Is there any particular reason you guys don't seem to like them? They look quite nice to me, and it's not like GW will ever give you something new.
t. Marine Player

It's not even a good meme dude. It's like what a 5-year-old who just learned to cuss would say when he can't think of anything witty by a 5-year-old's standards..

For some reason, the Emprah decides that he is going to reveal himself to the world tomorrow. How does he do it, and how does the world change?

>>53873515
The bog standard acolytes are cheap as fuck for what you get, stock up on them and customize as you see fit

>>53873342
Depends on what they are taken on. Tempestor Prime with 8 Plasma Command Squad Scions easily beats meltas because of the overcharge reroll orders and deepstrike within rapid fire range.

>>53873558

Is that the Sisters shitposter? When will you learn to report and hide shitposters for shitposting?

>>53873583
Why don't you check the archive and read a hundred threads that started with that very question?

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>>53873583
He already did, but we didn't listen.

>>53873583
he has already bred thunder warriors in some underground lab and proceeds to conquer earth

>>53873583

He does so by text. Everyone texting back is really upset that such important news was delivered so rudely. He responds with the letter "k."

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What weapons should I take on my stormtalon gunship friends? I was thinking dual lascannons.

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>>53873472
>>53873508
>no freeboota clan listed in index or rulebook

dis is all part of our kunnin plan, right boss?

>>53873499
I wouldn't reduce the price at first to see whether they can still sell them for the full price, but if they cant then i would decrease the price by 20-30 percent. The armies are still valid, thats and the box is still cheaper than buying them alone.
>>53873550
I prefer GW models, they (usually) look better. The main reason why i dislike Anvil and Victoria is because i had an Anvil fanboy( he still played 40k, but whenever we talked about models he wouldn't shut up about Anvil models and how they are all so much better than GW ) in my gameclub who just ruined Anvil and Victoria for me by being an annoying ass.

I have no idea why the other people dislike them though

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r8

>>53873652
They aren't a Klan.

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I’ve noticed a rather common theme in books/short stories/novellas centered around Cato Sicarius:

Blades of Damocles:

Uses his squad as bait so he can use a borrowed jetpack to jump onto Tau Sunshark bombers and beahead their pilots with his sword

Fall of Damnos:

Uses his company as bait so he can use a borrowed jetpack to jump onto a Necron monolith and blow it up from the inside

Black Reach:

Uses his company and the Imperial Guard as bait so he can fight the Ork Warboss one on one and win

Chapter’s Due:

Uses his recon squad as bait so he can draw out the corsair queen and kill her

Knight of Talassar:

Uses his company, his Dreadnoughts an an entire regiment of Kriegers as bait for an Ork-controlled starfort so he can board it and kill the warboss

>>53873474
Gladiators and couriers typically are not also kings in their spare time.

>>53873635

>Salamander and Blood Angel tactical marines stand at attention during a joint operation mission briefing
>(circa M37, colorized)

>>53873673

Hmmm...

>>53873599
Reporting doesn't seem to be doing anything anon. He's either not getting banned, or he's ban evading.

Just picked up some Bullgryns to celebrate 8th. Already have 3 Ogryns and plan on running 4 and 4. Any advice on how to kit out the Bulls? Dont know whats a good Brute/Slab shield ratio these days.

>>53873679
What do you mean, colorized? They're black and white.

>>53873391
What kind of detachment is that? It looks like it's trying to be a Battalion, but it also lacks the needed 2 HQs.

>>53873673
Yeah, he's kind of vainglorious dick...what's your point?

>>53873554
You're an idiot.

>>53873710

The red eyes and golden hair of Sanguinius's lineage requires a little colorization, anon.

>>53873676
I'll give you that for the Scourges, but there is a good example of a straight up Succubus being an Archon. Archon Xellian of the Blades of Desire.

>>53873704
i run 3 with the big shields and two with mauls, but i should have built them the other way
I plan to field 9 of them, 4 with big shields, 5 with mauls

>>53873554
Everything is going to be snap-fit, or at the very least monopose going forward.

Just look at the shit in AoS.

>>53873740
>Marines ever being snapfit

>>53873729
>being this upset some people play an army you don't like
I'm not even a SoBstory but jesus

What are the color of Tau eyes ?

Reposting from last thread since I'm still a newb to this whole thing and could need some help regarding my stupidness.

Since 8th released I can't seem to get close enough to 500 pts with my AdMech/Skitarii basic box (since I'm missing some stuff like relics I guess?). Am I missing something, or am I just really dumb because I'm a newbie to this whole thing?

Current list:

HQ: Tech Priest Dominus
>Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe, Refractor Field
>135 point as he's basic

Troops: one 10man troop of Skitarii Vanguards
>9 standard Vanguard, 1 Alpha (10 pts each for 100 pts)
>Equipped with 3 Plasma Caliver (14 pts each, total 42)
>Alpha got the standard loadout (Radium carbine, nothing else)
>got the Omnispex (7 pts)
>Total points here 149

Heavy Support: Onager Dunecrawler
>Comes with a netron laser and 2 Heavy Stubber (45+8+8)
>Total for 151 points

>Sum of everything: 435

Should I add anything equipment-like in there (other weapons for Dominus or the Alpha maybe?) or is this 435 list ok so far? I feel like I'm missing out on stuff. Also, there aren't any formations yet like back in 7th right? What do I choose now? (I used to play with the Dominus Maniple with this list)

did some anon leak forgeworld adeptus astartes index book allready?

really want to look inside but those fuckers didnt even send my my book yet even though i preordered on the 6th...

>>53873531
>>53873554
>>53873740
> the new boxset
> snapfit

Pick one and only one.

Though yea, Jes confirmed that they would be doing this style of kit only going forwards.

>>53873740
Most characters are monopose.

Unit kits are not.

>>53873656
I don't think it moved before, which is part of a different problem that we're fixing. In either case, maybe we'll end up just knocking off $10-20 then. Thanks.

Helbrute: multimelta is good?

Twin lascannon better?

Thoughts?

Fist vs scourge?

>>53873729
you can call the sisters whatever you want, so long as you aren't spamming, or at least show some creativity.

"Space marines? more like spass mureemsmeintheass amirite?
this is you.

>>53873788
Lascannon is much better and I'd argue a must have for walking dreads.

>>53873778
honestly the new style of kit doesn't bother me save for the fact that I can't swap the pauldrons. also there are absolutely zero leftover bits.

>>53873431
youre trying too hard

>>53873790
Yeah honestly the whole "shitsters of basshole" thing was actively cringey the first time it was posted and just went downhill from there.

Imperial knight: Toughness 8

Warhound Scout Titan: Toughness 9

Reaver Titan: Toughness 10

Warlord Titan: Toughness 16

???

>>53873813
What he said

>>53873802
Is it twice as good?

27 points vs 50 points.

>>53873737
I plan to run them all with Mauls but...anon you know you can run Maul and Slabshield now, right?

>>53873758
black and soulless, just like their hearts

>>53873820
I'm not understanding your confusion

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>>53873803

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>>53873820

>>53873838
yeah,but i dont know their English names and i was/am to lazy to bother finding them out

>>53873808
Doesn't bother me either. I think it lends itself well to interesting poses.

Can see how it would be an issue for units you are using more than one of or if you just like the modeling/converting aspect of the hobby though. I may have been imaginign things but I think he may have implied we'd see things like "Intercessor Squad Advancing" and "Intercessor Squad Firing" similar to the way FW had their DKoK

>>53873864
>being this butthurt that nobody appreciates your abortion of a meme

What army do you play?

>>53873874
Sisters of Battle.

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>>53873864
>n-no it's actually you who are all wrong!
Your next line will be "lmao look at this fucking samefag subhuman".

>>53873857
What I mean is you're talking like you either HAVE to choose Maul and Brute shield or Gauntlet and Slabshield. Making sure you know 8th lets you mix and match either weapon with either shield.

>>53873790

Not even that guy(s), but the more you keep giving him attention the funnier it gets.
In any case, wit has nothing to do with memes. As seen with Fabulous Bile, put together nonsense and just keep spamming it till it takes off

>>53873843
That's the Eldar
I saw that Tau had red eyes but I've seen they are also yellow
So I repeat myself what are the colors of Tau eyes

>>53873845

It's a weird progression.

Each unit is roughly a third taller than the last, so the 6 point jump is bizzare.

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>>53873849
I was going to be a meme, once.

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2000 points lads

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Will Chenkov be in 8th ed Guard?

Is there a way to get some precision shooting on Orks? Comissar be gone.

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Claw or sword?

Top tier shitposting in the general threads:
>Cheetah anon

>the secondary memes spawned from fabius bile pasta

>bullying marinelets

>bullying riptau fags in the 8th edition salt mines

Honorable mention:
>I2
>melee race
RIP in peace

The garbage shitposting in these generals that no one finds funny or clever:
>walkers arent vehicles
>rotor cannon
>shitsters of basshole
>power level memes (I think this particular tryhard is actually serious too which is even more sad)

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>>53873899
fishes with bass pole?

>>53873351
why not 19 grots and one runtherd?

>>53873451
Awesome. How does this do against 3x30 mobs o Boyz?

>>53873962

>M5
>Melee race

I don't have the image.

>>53873878
How funny would that be if the >shitsters of basshole poster was actually a self-hating masochistic SoBstory

>>53873938
Commie spotted.

Also no.

Also fuck you and your blob spam bullshit of an army.

>>53873964

Fisters of Butthole.

>>53873915
Strength vs Toughness chart doesn't scale linearly.

Neither does mass when you increase height

>>53873938
probably not, he doesn't have a model currently

>>53873962
I loved those fabius bile memes.

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>>53873926
After edition after edition of vehicle and bikespam I am so fucking hyped for the return of Footdar.
>tfw the Falcon is still shit

>>53873962
>rotor cannon
Explain this shitposter, I usually skip on /hhg/. Last time I was there Cuckstodes anon was still running rampant

>>53873974
It's somehow not as good

>>53873951
Your precision is impression
Your Sniper is 30 Boyz

>>53873962
Cheetah Anon is bottom tier. Top Tier shitposting makes you angry, and it makes you laugh at the same time, or in some sequence. Cheetah anon was just an avatar fag with his capslock stuck.

>>53873977
He probably plays Dark Angels and gets mad that someone plays girls.

>>53873962
lmao look that this stupid rotor

>>53873915
A bit weird yeah
T16 just seems so high it is ridiculous but then again, not like anyone will use it in any games

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>>53873999
>he doesn't have a model currently

u wot m8, also nice trips

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>>53873962
there's something missing

>try to order Incubi darkness spray can from LGS
>they can't without getting a pack
>try to order from GW
>can't buy it by itself

FFFFFUUUUCCCKKKK

>>53874011
Rotor cannon shitposter wasn't a very long trend and I've only seen it come up in one or two threads since the first time, but it was basically one guy sperging out at someone who used the term "assault cannon" for a gun and saying it was a rotor cannon and then he devolved into making dumb comments at totally irrelevant posts like "you're a rotor cannon you rotor cannon" with the awkwardness of a middle schooler forcing shitty your mom jokes into the conversations of total strangers.

>>53873673
yeah hes a dick.

thats literally his character

>>53873998

Yeah but if the end point is 16 it should be more like say, 8, 10, 13, 16.

>gun race
>bs4+

>>53874011
We need a super sentai serie with all the Aspect warrior fighting Necron Overlord and Crypteks

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>>53873962
>no dangles, wutang, or raptors

>>53874049
Okay yeah I'll give the gay DA jokes a +1 but only because of the DAfag that went on an assdevastation rampage for a whole week. He pretty much secured that memes immortality.

Any idea whats going up next week?

I hope they go straight into primaris/death guard releases

Are metamorph weapons completely worthless now (with the exception of the whip)? Why would I use them over the Rending Claw?

>>53874046
That model went out of print along with the Valhallans years ago anon.

>>53874023
Cheetah anon makes half the thread laugh and the other half angry every time he shows up, that's why he's top tier. Now we know which half you are, which just makes it funnier.

The bottom tier shitposters are only funny to themselves.

Anyone got scans of the imperial armor index that released on saturday?

I need to know the points cost for deredeo dreads.

>>53874093
If by "half the thread", you mean half the posts are cheetah spam, then sure, I agree. But I suspect if post ids were a /tg/ feature, we'd find his number of fans are much exaggerated.

>>53874052
>not just buying a can of black/purple/whatever fucking color that is from Walmart for $5 or less.

Now if i'm reading things correctly via power from pain and sanic speed DE are back to being rapists - especially with ravagers and scourges being the final solution to anything tougher than a trukk.

Also: never get charged by boyz.

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>>53873740
>Everything is going to be snap-fit, or at the very least monopose going forward.

AoS units are basically the same level of posability as older kits. Here's the most recent unit sprue for example. Monsters and Characters, stuff that used to be metal or finecast do tend to be though.

>>53874078
Yeah they pretty much fucked them. Whips are cheap and the only one that synergizes with the rending claws, rip off all your crab arms and start swapping if you run metamorphs.

>>53873951
Blitza-bommas. You only need six to statistically kill a single commissar.

>>53874117
>Also: never get charged by boyz.
??

>>53874094

>Deredeo points

Standard loadout is 232 points.

Given nobody will ever not equip it with Autocannons/Missiles/Bolters that's the only figure you need.

>>53874062
no

>>53874159

Eloquently put.

>>53874146

3A a boy, plus if the mob is over 20 strong it gets another +1 and there are a few other ways to get additional attacks on them. A large squad on the charge will flatout delete most infantry.

>>53873808
Why are people so confused? Previous starter sets have also been simpler snapfit models instead of regular sets. They're meant for beginners.

They're not gonna stop releasing regular multipose kits.

>>53874062
What part of mass does not scale linearly with height did you not just understand?

Also each size class of Titan might be built with different methods, materials, and features that change the Toughness. Size isn't the only factor.

>friend challenges my Sororitas to a 1000 point game
>Use the list I've been thinking and tweaking for the last couple days
>He brings in a gimmick list that only puts 17 models on the table

He tried to deep strike blitz with terminators and a librarian, fucked up Might of Heroes, failed to get my Immolator down to 0 with the charge, and then all my girls just get out of their vans and wipe the Terminator squad and librarian, prompting a turn 1 forfeit

And now I just feel bad

>>53874177
>being this mad his shit meme doesn't make the good list that he gives me a (You)
Here, have it back, I don't need it but you clearly do.

>>53874052
If you are so against buying cheap spraypaint, just get the same color from army painter for half the price for a better paint.

>>53874200
if you wiped him that fast then you should just set up for another game

>>53874200
>1000 points
>17 models
hahahahahaha

>>53873989
Blobbing is a legitimate tactic.

>>53874191

>What part of mass does not scale linearly with height did you not just understand?

I'm more curious what part you didn't understand with suggesting +1 +1 +1 +6 qualifies as exponential.

>>53873541
So all they get is a buff? Kind of disappoint. Vanilla it is, I guess...

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>>53874223
Yeah, t-that would be a s-silly thing for someone to do, r-r-right?

But seriously, how fucked would I be if I put pic related together.

>>53874085
You mean these oop guys?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Valhallan-Squad

>>53874235
The part where it makes more sense with the To Wound chart we use than autistically trying to come up with an unnecessary formula in a game with extremely low granularity in stats.

>>53874138
Da Orky Way.

>>53874011
>Cuckstodes anon was still running rampant
I've been away awhile
>What
>who
is this the faggot who was like, banana faggots are not trash?

>>53874246
That looks boring af to play against

>>53874246

The answer is either st celestine or an excorcist - no matter what the problem is one of those two is the solution.

>>53874246
I can't even begin to describe to you how hard you would be bent over a table and fucked by any solidly constructed combined arms list

>>53874216
I had to go to work and he wanted to retool his list

He wants to make Deathwatch work but can't seem to stand up to more numerous foes consistently

>>53874153
you own the book or has someone scanned it somewhere?

>>53874255

It really doesn't, it being a relationship with the to wound chart's doubling would also not go 8-9-10-16.

>>53874246
Fairly, I can't see 11 bikes lasting long, do black knights get an invun?

>>53874263
I'm not mad I'm disappointed.

All the ways to bully SoBstories and you come up with the most retarded forced meme. You are the walking talking proof for Sturgeon's Law in the context of our genera thread shitposters.

>>53874113
>using latex based sprays from Walmart

>>53874206

Army Painter doesn't have Incubi darkness. Hell, they don't even have a. Dark navy blue

Looking at damage output per points, the dakkajet seems about on par with lobbas. Does that seem accurate to people who have played with both?

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>>53874246
Think I win.

>>53874285
he's not gonna get around that problem easily, deathwatch suffered from the same problem last edition and marines get that in general

>>53874246
You would raped and ripped apart, probably at the same time.

>>53874246
Don't listen to the trolls, this list would do average if you took advantage of your maneuvering

>>53874330
No painboy?

>>53874322
>buying latex based sprays from walmart

No, seriously. WFT are Hellions good for? Halp?

>>53874053
Doesn't even sound funny ironically. Oh well.

>>53874270
He literally would not shut up about how Custodes were mathematically better that Astartes on the table, mostly because of the Tribune shitposting that accompanied the release. And that's about it.

>>53874296
>toughness 8 is wounded on 4's by melta and 3's by lascannons
>toughness 9 is wounded on 5's by melta and 4's by lascannons
>toughness 10 is wounded on 5's by melta and lascannons
>toughness 16 is wounded on 6's by melta and 5's by lascannons

Now stop being such a faggot.

>>53874238
Chapter Tactics aren't in the Indexes. You'll have to wait for the Codexes for that. Even so, BA play pretty differently as an army than standard marines do.

>>53874330
...
is there anything that beats this?

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Well lads, the conscript meme is officially dead.

Just finished up a "game" against the unholy fucknought, the mofo literally knocked out a 40-man blob T1. Woo hoo

I love the naught and conscripts both, but it makes me sad that FW was so stupid they put a unit that overpowered out there. It can BTFO a knight, a blob, and unit of marines with no problem whatsoever

At least the meme died, that's a plus

also I beat the fat that brought it to reporting, that's funny

>>53874395
5 celestines
conscripts

>>53874395
Conscripts.

>>53874133
Fuck sake. I hope whoever does the Nid and Genestealer Cult Codices actually has some common sense and doesnt give us options which dont do anything at the end of the day

Just finished a "tourney practice" game, space marines vs conscript spam.
Conscript spam is a massive fucking joke in the face of mortis grav flux levithan, especially when you have guilliman nearby to give rerolls and protect against charges.
Also, ancient+centurions+apothecary make for a scary unit, getting to come back from the dead after you shoot when you die makes them a pest to get rid of.
Also, as if this was ever in doubt, bobby G is a beast.

But the biggest take away I got was that hordes are fucked in the face of grav flux, I'd be shocked if it doesn't appear in every marine tournament list that allows FW.

>>53873788
Lascannon better at range.

>>53874408
>>53874411
Boys, please....have a look at this:>>53874401

>>53873951
>precision shooting on Orks?

Ork precision is accuracy by volume. Send a fuckload of fire downrange and hope it what you want. (In context of tabletop that means masses of shoota boyz or lootas killing the units in front of the characters.)

>>53874426
>allowing FW shit in casual, non serious games

LAL

>>53874401
Which dready is that?

>>53874331
Any tips for him? He's resistant to supporting his deathwatch with stormtroopers cause he can't get his hands on the models affordably, and he doesn't really seem to have a purpose for his Inquisitor and acolytes. They just get outran by deathwatch unless the enemy beats him to the alpha strike before he can move. My tip was to get more of his army to hit the enemy at once, like how I coordinate my immolators.

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Sup Archons,

Is there any use for Haywire and Heat Lances on Scourges now? I have 4 of each sitting around from 7th. The Haywire ones are a random unreliable mess and the Heat Lance squad costs lmao170 pts on its own. Blasters seem like a way better option.

Wat do? I have enough weapons lying around that I could probably make a full Blaster squad if I bought another box for the bodies but fuuuuuuuuuu

>>53874419
>I'd be shocked if it doesn't appear in every imperium tournament list that allows FW.
FTFY

How long until Cawl makes primaris marines with the forbidden gene-seed?

Is it wrong if Spearhead is the only detachment you want to use?

>>53874443

I'm betting it is the Leviathan or something variant with double grav bombard

>fw units are again premium P2W units
Wow...8th edition really fixed everything.

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>>53874437
>2017
>being a poorfag

>>53874452
DARK LANCES

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>Get reading the new Tau lore in 8th ED
>The Tau having witnessed the birth of Great Rift and the ensuing anarchy, after watching the armies of unreason and disorder flood the Eastern Fringes, responded with a single sentence
>"Challenge Accepted"
>Undeterred and unafraid, the Tau sail their fleets towards a galaxy teetering on the brink of annihilation, knowing that the races of the galaxy need them more than ever.
>The Tau will bring unity and enlightenment to the unfortunate souls populating the galaxy, no matter the cost. That is their destiny, their birthright.
>All will find peace within the Greater Good, whether they wish it or not

Remind me again, teegee, how are these brave underdogs are bad guys?

>>53874468
>FW isn't banned at his store
Sucks to be you.

>>53874459
Eh, up until the release of codexes definitely. At that point it depends on how good staying within the lowest possible keyword is.

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>>53874437
>FW shit is too OP to be allowed in tournament play
>FW shit is too OP to be allowed in casual games
Will poorfags ever make their minds up

>>53874468

>why can't my conscript spam beat everything wtf pls nerf

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>>53874330

>>53874437
>bringing 150 ork boyz to a "casual, non serious" game

I hope you die.

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>>53874419
>conscripts are a joke if you bring a primarch and the tournament allows forge world

>>53874483
Riptide

>>53874371

Every number between 10 and 15 has the traits you ascribed to 10 dumbass.

Again, it's not an exponential difference of it goes one one one six.

>>53874509
Its just boys, why you have to be mad?

>>53874437
>allowing WAACfag bullshit in casual, non serious games
Are you even real.
Holy Fuck.
Fucking Delusional.

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Y'nnari fast list dunno if I should bring more heavy hitting shit for this point cost

>>53874491
The thing that makes me furious about FW is their inability to cooperate with the main design team at GW on rules and models. It's fucking infuriating to see FW stuff never be acknowledged in most GW stuff like rule books and codices.

>>53874515
>but-but riptide overpriced!!!

>>53874483
They aren't
They have a good spirit the only thing they lack are ressources
Also what is your favorite Sept ?

>>53874483

Anything new or juicy mentioned?

>>53874437
>conscript spam
>casual game
Die in a fire faggot.

>>53874452
Heat lances are really good, at the end of your movement phase they can deepstrike with 9" of a unit which just happens to be melta range of a heat lance.

Haywire does the same but is just slightly worse at it.

>>53874541
GW will never acknowledge FW in its books because they're the same company. Why can't people get over their heads and just play?

>>53874483
Didn't the fleets they sent out get BTFO, though
like the weebniggers they are

>>53874509
I'm not the anon that posted that. Bringing 150 boyz is absolute BS in a casual setting.

>>53874368
the 99 cent flat black from walmart is the best basecoat ive ever used

>>53874461
How else do we get Mortarion + primaris death guard for GW money?

>>53874553
Daly'th or Kel'shan.

Are HWSs viable now that they don't cost 45 points naked?

>>53874401
Or just kill it since guard have ridiculous anti vehicle options and be glad it traded with conscripts.

>>53874512
Bobby G only makes the dread a little bit better, the levithan dread alone does the job.
Also, what type of shit place do you play at that doesn't allow FW.

>>53874562
I thought conscript spam was weak, anon?

>>53874570
The Fourth Sphere Fleets were sucked into the Warp and will appear somewhere else later to spread the Greater Good.

>>53874557
Nothing we don't already know.

>>53874436
Yeah, it's good to see the stupid play style dead.

I brought:
>Imperial Knight Warden
>2 Lord Commissars
>priest
>2 40-man conshit blobs
>30 10-man scion squads
>2 gravaphron squads
>2 Infiltrator squads
>some ratlings
>neutron laser Onager

He brought
>Guilliman
>a squad of lascannon centurions
>the aforementioned rapenaught
>some Tacs
>2 lascannon razorbacks
>apothecary and ancient
>scouts
>Plasma bikers

It may have just been the spearhead deployment combined with the fact he took first turn, but it was a joke.

>shot off 9 HP from my knight
>killed a full blob and commissar
>destroyed a full kataphron squad


The big thing I take away (despite my knight household retainers needing a redesign) is that turn 1 is stuuuupidly powerful, especially with the closer deployment maps. Which is fun, but I got railroaded before the game even began.

Plus the reroll hit/wound thing with gilly is stupidly powerful, but I don't like army wide buffbubbles in general, so take it with a grain of salt

What kind of fun armies are you going to run? For me it's Bullgryn, rough riders, crusaders, death cults, arcos, priests, inqusitor and acolytes and maybe some ranged Support like heavy weapon squads or artillery.

How should I be using Hormagaunts now? The change to toxin sacs kind of screws them with T3 since they no longer wound everything on a 4+. I was having trouble taking down marines with them. It seems like they're outclassed by genestealers with rend and extra attacks in big units. Any suggestions?

>>53874563
Outside of 9" you numbfuck.

>>53874583
Nobody saying that doesn't work.
The levithan just BTFOs people who want to bring nothing but conscripts to a game.
Of course a competently built all-comer list can take it out, but even then it's still a bitch to kill.

But yeah, it isn't thst absurdly broken, like 7th riptides or wraithknights. Just really good anti-horde and relatively good anti-MC

Why Nids suck at 8th
> preliminarily against MEQ
> in melee, everyone can hit MCs on fixed 3+ now
> in melee, with MCs with T6, everyone can wound MCs on 5+
> Lascannon ignoring cover, dealing 1~6 wounds in one shot.
> no infiltrate, can't advnce after deep strike, -2 to charge distance when enemies are in ruin
> 8" synapse range. Can't roll for instictive behavior and must attack the nearest unit
> can't lock enemy squad with MCs in melee; fuck you Flee

>>53874443
>>53874467
With that "jacket" it can't really be anything else than Leviathan

>>53874570
The 4th sphere got BTFO by the cicatrix maledictum
>>53874592
They are dead, anon, i talked about it with a red shirt and he also told me there was a rogue trader faction in the making and Slaneeshi Eldars going out in the materium

>>53874470

I strongly considered this since it's hilarious and I always wanted to run DL Scourges, but it's less mobile than a Ravager, gets -1 to hit for moving, costs more than the Ravager, is way easier to kill, loses weapons as it takes fire, etc. I don't really see the point.

>>53874563

It says 9"+ and I'm pretty sure melta works as within 9". I'm not sure, maybe you can set up on the exact edge and shoot them. I think it's better to just deep strike behind some big rock thing and then jump over it and blast them in the face the next turn.

But yeah I see that HLs will basically kill the fucking shit out of anything they even consider looking at, it's just that they cost a billion points. I still think Scourgespam is a 10/10 strategy though, if only for the lulz it can produce with a bunch of deepstriking heavy weapons all over the map.

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>>53874068

Can a squad of Bulgryn beat down a Leviathan?
Also whats accepted as a good Brute/Slab shield ratio now? Being able to take Mauls on both is kind of blowing my mind.

>>53874635
exocrines. all you need

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>>53874113
>Walmart

Idk man. I'm not particularly thrilled about the one I got. It's not thick, but it's kind of got an odd texture and a definite shine

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Land Raiders and Dreadnoughts turn me the fuck on.

>>53874569
But they are though. They are literally the same company and the work in offices adjacent to one another. They are just different studios.

>>53874635
You're joking right?

Nids are a top-tier army, and of you actually cared for them, you'd realize everything you said was either good for them or incorrect

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>>53874483
>how are these brave underdogs are bad guys?
Subjugation through military force is seen as a negative trait by contemporary human beings.

my boy Warwick Kinrade explained it most eloquently

>>53874610
Hormagaunts aren't for killing things. They weren't in 7th and they aren't in 8th. They are cheap, fast tarpitting units.
Make use of their 6"consolidation moves in combat, it has several very good uses. Dragging new units into combat without suffering overwatch (difficult, since you have to move towards the nearest enemy model, but absolutely possible if you set yourself up right and have a large enough unit)
Also, realize that almost nothing can fall back out of combat if you surround them in Hormagaunts. You have a total 12" consolidation move per combat phase. Use that.

>>53874589

Said absolutely no one.

>>53874646
>have to be more than 9" away
>half of 18" is 9"
>have to be more than half the range of the gun

Why is this so hard to understand?

How would I go about painting my Orks as freebooters?

Striped pants might work, but idk if that's enough

>>53874672
No, but trying to kill it in close combat is a fool's errand anyway. Just shoot it, grav flux, while powerful, is only 18” range. And you'll never get into combat with it before it's done it's job, since any competent player will use screen units.

>>53874672
It blows my mind too. Slab is considered all around better. If you have Psyker buffs they can have 1+ armor or if they are in cover that happens too. At that point they are the same against - 3 ap. Brute shields are good against hard hitting targets but other than that they are worse against normal attacks.

>>53874512
>He thinks FW isn't a standard part of the game when all FW units are getting rules releases at the start of the edition
lol

>>53874675
Get the Rustoleum 2x cover matte. It's like 4 bucks a can and I've had nothing but good results with it.

Saw a Tau army get tables turn 2 by a Tyranid army at a 8th tournament yesterday.

>>53874679
I want to start collecting Black Templars now. Using just Manlet Marines.

>>53874672
Since that Dread can apparently take on Knights and wipe the floor with 40 conscripts - probably not.

>>53874722
So maybe in a squad of 4, (for a chimera) three with mauls and slabs and one with Brute Shield and Gauntlet for overwatch could work out?

>>53874675
>he bought gloss primer
Shit nigga what are you doing

>>53874679
Your dreadnoughts are going to spend all game walking to the fight that the crusaders in the landraiders already lost.

And the ironclad won't even be able to do anything during it's leisurely hike because it has no range weapons worth using.

>>53874702
The funny thing about the Tau is they'd be the villains in any other SF setting.

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>>53874553
Ke'lshan, their uniforms are rad as heck and I like the idea of a Sept that's based around fleet and boarding actions with breachers and specialized boarding suits

>>53874733
>tournaments
>on release day
Kek, is it that big a surprise? The kind of Tau player who would go to a tournament would be bringing Riptides and Suitspam, no wonder he got fucking destroyed.

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>>53874330
>>53874395
8D6 Barbed Stranglers hitting on 2s, plus some Deathspitters and a shitty Pyrovore because I ran out of points.

>>53874592
>The Fourth Sphere Fleets were sucked into the Warp and will appear somewhere else later to spread the word of Chaos.

FTFY

>>53874711

Because I don't have the index on hand and therefore had to check the exact wording with the power of google. I said "pretty sure" it was what it turned out to be anyway though.

>>53874675
You gotta get specifically matte finish spray paints. Learn the difference between matte and gloss now, it'll save your life.

>>53874702
>>53874763
Except that the imperium does much worse things even to its own people.

The imperium is no less a villain to the average reader/player and actually much more of a villain than tau is.

>>53874589
>saying that just bringing conscripts isn't the top tier list objectively unbeatable list people claim it is means it's weak

>>53874763
The Tau would be the human protagonists in any other SF setting. They check all the boxes for the usual human racial sci-fi tropes - dogged persistence, short life spans, high degree of technical innovation, flexible and pragmatic style of war, and diplomatic negotiation before open warfare.

Why is a Plasma Rifle complete shit compared to a Plasmagun?

>>53874790
>the imperium does
and? everyone's a bad guy in 40k

Even seemingly reasonable dudes like Guilliman are ultimately genocidal conquerors.

>>53874765
He didn't have any ruptures which was surprising but the only suits he did have were two broadsides.

>>53874800
They're also only 11 points now. They're a completely different gun specialized for killing T4 and T5 enemies with medium armor and nothing else.

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>>53874728
It better not be, as much as GW Jews your money FW is looking more and more like a pay to win army. If certain LoWs and a few other things get price knockarounds it'd be cool generally, but shit's kinda broke as is

But I don't really care, no one is rich enough where I am to afford lots of FW stuff. I feel bad for the competitive scene though

>>53874553
Ke'lshan and N'dras. Former because boarding parties and rad color scheme, latter because Tau need more weird secretive shit.

>>53874745
Mortis Levithan gets shit on by knights. It'll get one, maybe two turns of shooting off before the knights charges and cuts it in half.
It's 18" range makes it really good but not so absurdly broken a knight can't fell it before dying.

>>53874753
That probably works well. I'm doing all slab personally. Not sure how many squads of 4 I want, 1 or 2. I have crusaders and death cults I want to add too. Bum rush of melee units.

>>53874823
>FW is looking more and more like a pay to win army
we don't even have the rules for more than, what, four units, and even those ones we don't have their match play point values (and their power levels were all really fucking high). so... you're making this claim on the back of what evidence exactly?

>>53874800
Tau dont like giving their guys dangerous weapons so it's more low powered in exchange for being more safe.

It used to be considered better than an imperial plasma, by virtue of being safe, but 8th took gets hot off the basic plasma gun and gave it a dangerous super mode while the tau plasma got nothing.

>>53874800
because GW sucks at spotting stuff like that

>>53874810
Guilliman is probably the most level headed dude in all the Imperium. He had his own space empire before the Emperor ever found him, simply because the guy knew how to actually talk to people and how Politics work. The Ultramar sector has the highest quality of life as well. G Man only goes genocidal on his enemies.

>>53874861

Yawn

>>53874776
The concept of Chaos Firewarriors tickles my fancies in the sort of way that pleases Slaanesh

>>53874635
Yes, that's why Tyranids are utterly faceraping MEQ armies right now.

You're retarded.

Also ruins don't penalize charge distance, lascannons don't ignore cover, and the new instinctive behaviour is literally a thousand times better than any version we've ever had.

>>53874823
>pay to win
Yeah, maybe if you don't know how to play the game. Nothing FW makes is that much harder to kill than a knight or land raider, and if you aren't making a list that can take those on then you're shit at the game.
Unless it's a fluffy game, in which case who gives a shit who wins.

>>53874717
A motley and unmatching look would probably look best, but they should have a distinct symbol/tattoo

>>53874635
It's just you or whoever is running them that sucks at 8th

>>53874799
>>53874763

I like the fact the tau are the good guy faction while at the same time are a merger of typical humans in scfi as well would be the villain in said typical scifi

>>53874800

Worse in every category, no longer the tradeoff of strength for reliability

>>53874891
>lascannons don't ignore cover
>he doesn't know how AP works

>>53874855
Aye, but surely with all that in mind it should have kept the lower Strength compared to the Imperial version but had the Damage 2of the overcharged Imperial.

>>53874814 speaks truth I suppose. I'm just salty

>>53874635
>8" synapse range
Are you retarded? Most things that grant synapse do so at 12"

>>53874899
I was thinking of painting them with all sorts of clan colors, that way I don't have to commit to all red or all blue, but the mob having its own symbol is a good idea

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How would they perform now?
Also will there be some kind of special detachment for them in their codex?

>>53874913
D2 would be awesome. Right now CIB is just more useful than PR

>>53874854
>only like four units
Amigo you might wanna check out the OP....

It is true though, a lot of the relic vehicles are either 'jack of all trades' or 'master of one' in a way 8th had seemed to have toned down.

I'm excited to see what all tau, Admech and nids get though, so who the fuck cares provided I get in on it too.

>>53874928

No Enclaves rules, no crisis troops, and no Enclaves characters
Basically unusable

>>53874916
I don't have the Index and am going off the Faction Focus hype article but isn't it only the Hive Tyrants that do that?

>>53874913
Na, I think they should have just made it a budget plasma gun, it still good at melting 3+ ssaves and wounds t3 on a 2+.

With how cover works, that -3ap makes it pretty decent at melting tough to remove infantry provided you can take enough of them.

>>53874909
If they're good guys, why did Farsight break away?

>>53874679
sm armies always surprise me with low little stuff you get in 2k.

>>53874916
Only Hive Tyrants and the Swarmlord have 12" synapse.

>>53874910
>cover gives a +1
>MC not in cover gets 6+ save against lascannon
>MC in cover gets 5+ save against lascannon
>HURRRRRRRRR LASCANNON IGNORE COVER THOSE ARE TOTALLY THE SAME
You are so fucking retarded.

>>53874928
>Riptide 421p

take off some drones and grab a stomrsurge instead

>>53874584
>>53874728
My point was "it's really easy to counter this IF this is allowed AND you take a primarch"

>>53874956
>going off of biased articles instead of the index
kys

>>53874959
As a marine player, it always shocks me how much other armies can field at 2k. Like a single unit of conscripts has more models than my entire competive 2k list.
So it goes both ways I suppose.

>>53874958
Cause hes a bad guy, duh. Literally a vampire

>>53874956
Tyrants and SL have a longer range. One unit is like a synaps satellite and lets out a longer range when paired.

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>>53874972
You clearly don't get what he's going for

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>>53874810
Orks are the good guys.

>>53873351

Why 2 Runtherds? You don't need 1 per 10 grots anymore. Just one is enough to keep any sized Grot mob in line. Dropping him would get you another 9 grots, much better investment.

Kombi-Skorchas are also better than Combi-Rokkits. Oh, and give him an Attack Squig because they're free. Consider a Big Choppa on the Boyz Nob too; they're a genuine alternative and at low points values you could probably get more mileage out of a few more bodies on the field.

>>53874973
Then your point means nothing. Primarch doesn't make it that much more powerful, you can say "if it's allowed it does good" about anything, but only retards ban FW in this day and age so it being allowed is all but a given.

Points seem to be a lot less in 8th. What is the standard size game gonna be in points? 1000 still?

>>53875015
>>53874972
Although, it wouldn't surprise me for them to add a stormsurge and make it The Nine. Ten. Whatever.

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>>53875018
>Orks are the good guys.
>Kills everyone and everything
>Even other orks

>Good guys

>>53874958
I'll be the first to admit I've not read up much on Farsight apart from what's in the main Tau codecies, but isn't it because he's become released from the control of the Ethereals? He thinks the Tau Empire no longer need the "queen" caste in order to operate, and believes the Ethereals are damning the race by refusing to address Chaos/The Warp/ Just how fucking awful the galaxy is.

>>53874898
Just look at the leviathan, it takes like 20-something lascannon to statistically kill it, (or like 100 autocannons or something) AND as people have mentioned earlier it brings the wrath of the emperor down in anything in its way.

Which is fine (I for one love how cinematic 8th makes you feel as units are both tough to kill and good at killing), but the thing should cost more than 300 points. More like 400+.

>reading through the All-Guardsmen party
>snap out of any immersion I have every single time Nubby is mentioned because he's just Nobby Nobbs with a letter changed

It's not even a clever reference and he's never getting replaced.

>>53875018
that is a beauty

>>53875013
>One unit is like a synaps satellite and lets out a longer range when paired.
No one uses those.

But the guy whining about 8" synapse is a dumb bitch, it's rarely an issue in this edition when defending player allocates Wounds, pile-ins are optional, Warriors are cheap, and everything that's not a Warrior is fast. The only way you're going to lose synapse is if you're really fucking bad at the game or your opponent actually kills your synapse creatures. 8" is plenty of range.

>>53874987
>Don't use an official article, use my fandex in my head
Wew lad. At least pick on ignorant people who are incorrect

>>53875040
1000 points was never the standard anywhere.

1500 in europe and 2000 in america were and still are the standards.

>>53874861
>G Man only goes genocidal on his enemies.
well, aside from that whole ultramar gestapo thing

Can't maintain a space empire without weeding out the undesirables.

>>53875040
2k is new standard. The other standards are 500 for just starting/skirmish, 1000 for quick and small battles, 1500 for slightly faster than normal ones, 3k for big battles and greater than 3k for apocalypse, assuming the release it for 8th.

>>53875072

>2k standard in Europe
>Rulebook explicitly states 2k is the intended point level for matched play

What army should I play if I wanna blow shit up with rockets and grenades?

>>53875080
It would just be a list of strategems to spend command points on anyway.

>>53875103
Tau

>>53875072
It was 1500 in EU and 1850 in US.

Now it's 2000 everywhere, 1500 for a smaller game.

>>53875053
Orks did nothing wrong, they make war for the memes and are morally righteous and just

>>53875103
>manticore
>deathstrike
imperial guard

grenade launchers are still kind of shit tho

>>53874928
I could imagine it would happen
Alteration of the Supreme Command Detachment

>>53875072

The standard for competitive events was 1850 in the US and the UK - that will move to 2k with 8th.