Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53857568

Should have been Make Auxillia Great Again edition

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Thoughts on pic related for a 500pt Wych Cult starter?

Does anyone know if the citadel skirmish case can hold a land raider and if so how much space does it take?

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>>53857568
Posting Xenos instead of the superior human form.

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Cute wargamers and cute smiles!

Is (≧∇≦)/(≧∇≦)/

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>>53857608
Why not both?

>>53857618
Is that a man?

Still waiting for imperium index, Anon claimed he was uploading it half an hour ago

Has GW squatted anon?

Thoughts on a list of Termies and Hellbrutes? I want to use the dreads as lascannon platforms and the termies as my main force. What units (other than a sorcerer) would be worth including here?

I was thinking of doing a CSM prince and including some slaanesh demons to summon in when the termies drop. Basically get to deploy half my army on their side of the board so if they rush to hit my dreads firing line they end up in a pincer.

Should you ever take 2 units of 10 poxwalkers instead of 1 unit of 20

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>>53857638
No.

>>53857646
Ignore /pol/ posts please

>>53857568
Fuck off with these meme OPs.

Make a new thread.

>>53857650
Sounds good.

Was thinking of using hellbrutes in my Death Guard force for long range lascannon shots and to make it entirely footslogging. Using the upcoming DG terminators as well.

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>>53857568
Obligatory

>>53857646
why do you say that?

Bumping for loyalist lapdog FW index

>>53857680
Did you saw her apple? Or her hands? It is enough to at least question it.

>>53857660

Less punishing compared to units with actual shooting, that lose out a lot of overwatch in small sizes.

>>53857660
Only if you really need it to complete a particular detachment.

They are fearless so you don't suffer from having big hordes and they gain +1 WS when having more than 10, so small groups is less effective in that way.

So genestealers ruin my Ork boyz' day, good to know.

Played my friend for my first game of 8th. It was pretty even but he pulled ahead because he shredded through two whole units with his one unit of genestealers.

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>>53857568

>>53857706
anything that has to do with transgender, politics or skype you can ignore.

Maybe stupid question: how do Codex compliant chapters mark their Sargents if their chapter colour is red? Say the Blood Ravens?

>>53857720
I'd like to see what destroys stealers in combat

Daemonettes?

>>53857605
it does but it will ruin some of the foam and dont you dare have any delicate bits attached to it that go beyond its hull height.

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>>53857735

Obviously red chapters are not codex compliant.

Only blue is allowed.

Anyone got Ta'unar stats?

>>53857750

Conscripts with priest/commissar/straken

I wanna give my Third Company Imperial Fists red bolters

Is that too much red?

>>53857647
I am beginning to think the same thing. Anon was a good anon, filled with good intentions. He was squatted long before his time, his last duty left unfulfilled.

Who will raise his torch and press on, delivering fresh pdf or epub of the FW Imperium Index? We still need sweet FW goodness

>>53857596
I think it looks fine

Some anon might tell you to drop the scourges and just go for more wyches, but I think it gives the army some variety

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Guys, I want to paint some Primaris™ Space Marines™ as Iron Warriors, with this sort of dull-brass colour rather than the usualy iron/gunmetal.

Any idea what paint would be closest to it?

>>53857807
Meh, it's not too much red, but red bolter on red hands is not gonna look great.

>>53857807
Meaning red pauldron rims and a red bolter casing? Why would that be too much? Hell, even with a kneepad and a helmet stripe it should be fine.

>>53857807
Yes. Not even 2nd. Ed. Fists were that red and that was the era of primary color marines. That said, dont let it stop you if that's what you really want.

Alright, I know you're reading this. Whoever it is that keeps using the phrase "drowning in saves" on 1d4chan needs to stop. You're retarded.

You 're not "drowning a Bike Squad or TEQs in saves" with a Razorwing's Assault D6, S6, 0 AP , 2 Damage missile. The Razorwing costs 175 points.

Drowning something in saves refers to something like the theoretical conscript blob: 150 points plus buffing units to shoot something 200 times in a turn. That's drowning them in saves. Shooting something 6 times a turn is not drowning anything.

Whoever is doing this, please go remove any edits or contributions you made to 1d4chan.

>>53857735
Blue helmets.

>>53857835
GW or vallejo?

>>53857735
Pick an alternative color.

>>53857665
would bang
adeptas soritas/10

>>53857835
Probably warplock bronze.

>>53857608
That hair is not combat appropriate.

>>53857752
I'm okay with foam warp as I will be making the raider a permanent addition to my list, how many infantry do you think will fit in the case with it? Any chance of some pictures?

>>53857828
>pdf
Can't wait for a kind Anon to upload the Indices. The leaks were nice but are blurry AF.

>>53857835

Look at paint guides for minotaurs

IE: http://www.tartanpaint.info/2012/07/20/minotaurs-space-marine-painting-guide/

If my Rhino is locked in combat can I disembark with the units inside?


Can I charge directly from inside?

>>53857863
GW probably.

>>53857907
Thanks, I'll give that a look.

>>53857960
agreed...however i wont be picky. i will gladly take an epub over not having one at all....but pdf is indeed superior

>>53857735
>Codex compliant

Gods, it feels good to not be a loyalist.

>>53857618
what a qt

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Does anyone else just kinda feel.... just sort of blandly disinterested after playing 8E?

Like, it's weird because SO many of the changes are changes I like, but at the same time I feel like all my armies have been made less interesting. And I don't mean 'less competitive', I mean less interesting (especially anything that was evasive or psychic).

That combined with all the weird gimmicky shit you can do (like using rhinos to tarpit units in melee) is just kinda not making it feel like 40k. I mean, an improved system is great, but like what's the point of playing 40k over an actually balanced wargame if the units don't feel like they should in the fluff?

I don't really know how to accurately describe how I feel about 8E currently, but after playing a few games I feel even less motivated to finish painting my CSM and honestly kinda regret even preordering their index. I definitely wouldn't have bought Magnus if I had known how bland he'd become.

>>53857995
You can do things as described in the book. It's 8 pages, you really have no excuse for not knowing.

>>53857618
what episode was this from?

>>53858019
i think the bland feeling is just from the simplified index rules, hopefully the codex's are as fun as before, this is coming from a very very new ad mech player

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>>53858007
>it feels good to not be a loyalist.

What epub reader to use? Sumatra doesn't work.

So I really hope they dont have Mortarion holing his scythe backwards like some of the non-gw versions. the blade on a scythe should point forward...not backwards

>>53858019
The game is complete shit that is 2 pages away from being great (proper LOS andterrain rules mostly)

>>53858067
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/readium/fepbnnnkkadjhjahcafoaglimekefifl?hl=it

>>53858019
Take a break and wait for your army to get a proper codex. The indexes are all on the bland side, but the rules are much improved.

>>53858069
A scythe is a dumb weapon either way.

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>>53857618

>>53858067
I use calibre, dunno weather it's the best one or not, but it works.

>>53858071

I wonder why then did not keep cover giving -hit like in SWAG

>>53858019
Just wait for your codex then.

>>53857688
How considerate of her.

>>53858092
regardless, it is the weapon that Mortarion uses. The least they can do is have a fucking daemon prince primarch hold the damn thing correctly

>>53858019

The changes to Orks leave me kind of discouraged and wondering if I should pick a different army or wait till 9th rolls around.

Ork shooting is worse than before now and they took away some of the more interesting aspects of their units like the Meka Dread and removes some units outright like the Looted Wagon and Mek Boy Junka in the case of Forgeworld.

Things seem kind of lack luster in my opinion.

Still, they are releasing codices to maybe those will bring the flavor back.

>>53858069

Who cares, I'm converting it to a warscythe regardless.

>>53858019
I actually feel like the model are more fluffy than 6th/7th.
Necron fuckin ressurects again, nids are again close combat gods, Tau are playable and not simply a fucking cheese factory, almost every model is viable and lists are a lot more flexible.

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So, is there any chance of this bad boy getting rules for 40k at some point?

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Reminder to join the totalitarian state that actually cares about whether you live or die.

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>>53858019
8th ed is the dawn of war 3 of 40k

its no longer a game simulating combat in the 41st millenium, the game is completely separate from the fluff now

>>53858138
yeah that would look pretty badass

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>>53858019
On the bright side everyone is feeling like SoB now.

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>>53858129
This was the teaser, infer from it what you will.

But all models in these set ups face towards either the foreground left corner or right corner.

>>53858159
But I can't fap to that.

>>53858140

Meh, some stuff is, some is not

Tank guards is shit atm, with hellhounds and artillery being the exception.

The russes are just tanky distraction that don't to any serious damage.

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>>53857618

>>53858159
That's a shit paintjob on the face. Those lips are hideous.

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What are you starting for 8th?

>>53858159
AAHHHH WHAT THE FUCK

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>>53858189
Fine, here.

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TAISETSU NA MONO
PROTECT MY BAWLS
BOKU GA WARUI
SO LET'S FIGHTING

LET'S FIGHTING LOOOOOVE

>>53858214

Not sure yet.

Probably warmahordes.

>>53858159
Whether you live or die is irrelevant as long as the Greater Good is served.

>>53858140
>Necrons ressurect again

I know, right? Bout damn time.

>>53858214
Digimon figures of the womons.

>>53858092
F that noise. one of my favorite HH scenes is when Mortarion launches his scythe into a fucking jump jet and starts pulling it in by the chain

>>53857720
He rolled really well or you didn't have the right buffs in place, then. Under ideal conditions (which aren't that difficult to pull off) Boyz should beat out Genestealers for cost. Maybe you spent too many points on flashy stuff and not enough on Boyz?

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>>53858159

>>53858248

And the resurrection conga line is back!

resurrect warriors toward the ark for another go even if the unit was not within 3"

Although, i miss the oldschool monoliths teleporting my stuff around the battlefield.

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>>53858235
>how T'au are you
ウイアブー!集めて!

>>53858236
>pdf
Enjoy warmahordes Mk 3 which is shit.

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What is the point of terrain now?
Feels like I'm playing warmachine with those cardboard cut terrains.

>>53858134
Orks are significantly better than they have been in ages you retard.

Also 9th is never happening, this is the last edition of 40k.

>>53858152
Probably not since it's Perty's bodyguard. Just use it as a count-as dreadnought.

>>53858159
KYS

>>53858276
I'd tap that over a Tau any day.

>>53858159
>"hey imperial! I suck yo dick five dolla"

>>53858296
>Also 9th is never happening, this is the last edition of 40k

Someone said that of every single edition.

>>53858296
Didn't they say the same thing with 3rd.

>>53858291
>What is the point of terrain now?
bonuses to saving throws, limiting the mobility of vehicles/bikes

basically the same it's always been

>>53858159
Tfw this is golden demon winner stuff

>>53858291
>1945Germany.jpg

>>53858264
The Boyz have to charge, if 20 genestealers get off the charge twice and survive overwatch there's no way in hell the boyz survive, they counter each other perfectly.

>>53858296

Their shooting is worse than before, some of their units are worse than before and they got rid of a lot of their more interesting units abilities on the Forgeworld end of things.

They may be better, but not in any way that boosts my interest in the faction like it did in previous editions.

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>>53858285
>tfw can read that
shit...........

>>53858193
Im waiting for actual codices, but so far is a lot better than the terrible wreck of a game that was 6th/7th.

At least 8th is fucking playable, and allows for a lot more players to actually have fun.

In 6th/7th you couldn't even have fun unless you spent hours hoping both armies were perfectly equal. balance was so bad "for fun" games were terrible eexperience resulting in steamrolling without any chance to reply.

>>53858291
this fucking pic
saved
+10 internets for you

>>53858331
yes lol

they also said AoS was the end of releases for fantasy

>>53858333
No verticality thou.

Also why the hell does a fence that covers 50% of my tank gives me a +1 to cover while another tank that blocks 90% of my model doesn't give shit.

>>53858134
Other than the looted wagon, you're so wrong that it physically hurts.

>>53858291
What do you mean what is the point of it? It's more important than ever. Even space marines benefit from cover now, it actually blocks the movement of non-infantry so you can't drive vehicles through walls, guys in rooftops and upper levels can't be assaulted by non-flying bikes or MCs, razorwire slows charges, battlescapes have minefields again, leadership buffs from imperial statuary are more important. Terrain is great this edition.

What is the most fun army, and why is it ynnari?

>>53858388
Take your dubs and gtfo, aeldari scum.
don't have the eldar index. how are they in this ed.?

>>53858246
Wasting lives needlessly only sets back the greater good.

>>53858309
I guess it is the same size as the Contemptor and it would give me more options for weapons. Thanks.

>>53858344
>some of their units are worse than before
This is true of literally every army. It's a new game and you have to relearn how everything works. Some units you think are bad actually aren't, you're just using them for the wrong role.

Anyone else feeling that stormshields for SM are a little... too fucking cheap?
I mean seriously, 3+ inv for five (5) fucking points?
Could have go 15 at least instead of droping the price 5 times

Which designer looked at a model that does exactly nothing but grant a dreadnought deep strike and said "Yes, this is a 120 point unit."?

>>53858359

I've seen the forgeworld index xeno's contents page. It does not include the Mekboy Junka.

The Index entry for the Meka Dread also got rid of it's ability to repair units and it's save in melee is now worse given it degrades.

And with the removal of Blasts, tell me how Ork shooting is any better given their Ballistic Skill is functionally the same for a lot of units?

>>53858406
They've got the most broken mechanic, with the ability to take half turns during your opponent's turn basically. The overpowered stuff about eldar was nerfed, but they got plenty of stuff to compensate for it.

>>53858415
AP system is so much different than last edition it's no longer a big deal.

>>53858415

That's the problem with wargear having an unified cost.

3++ for 5pt on a 20pt model is fine
3++ for 5pt on a 50 point model is way to cheap

>>53858367
Explain this >>53858357
It looks silly.

>>53858411

>Some units you think are bad actually aren't, you're just using them for the wrong role.

I suppose that is a valid point.

>>53856659
I ordered when the preoders went up, when the fuck do I get any more info?

>>53858344
Because everything got homogenized for balance purposes. Part of the reason 7th was so fucked was because of all kinds of bizarre rules interactions combined with bandaids and quick fixes that weren't well thought out or applied equally across all armies. Plus you had really swingy bullshit that relied too heavily on 6's.

8th, everything is much closer to the same baseline, which makes actually balancing the game possible.

I expect new and unique rules to get put into the game in the future, which hopefully won't fuck balance, since it should be easier to play test things going forward.

>>53858422
I don't know, which designer looked at a model that has no other job but to give Tyranids Deep Strike and said "yes this needs a mandatory 40 points of guns with its Ballistic Skill of 5 so they have to pay 140 minimum"

>>53858457
Remember though, this is "the most playtested edition", and conscripts made it through in their current state.

>>53858441
Wargear doesn't have unified costs.

>>53858457
Well 8th feels more bland than 3rd edition with just the rulebook.

Hope codex remove the lame feeling it has right now.

https://17890-presscdn-0-51-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Warhammer_40000_Designers_Commentary-ENG.pdf


so first FAQ really. mostly common sense stuff like no "wu tang clan" shenanigans.


reseves having to be "deployed" is interesting, guess it stops reserve heavy armies always going first.

>>53858472

Well, it is really a surprise that playtesters could not be arsed to move around 400 models in a game.

>>53858437
Dumbest post in this thread. 3++ is a bigger deal now than ever.

>>53858484

Yes, but I think what we have so far with the rules and Indexes are just the quick start, ease into the game play while the codices will be where the game shines.

I hope.

>>53858357
the fence doesn't give you +1, unless your tank is also in terrain that gives +1 cover. Vehicles and monsters need 50% obscurred AND be in area terrain to get the bonus

>>53858484
3rd edition rulebook was fucking great.

>shitting on the battle bible

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Any news on FW index leaks?
I'm eager to put my traitor guardsmen on the table and I don't want to have to resort to loyalist rules if the FW are gonna be different.

>>53858472
The truth is that this really is the most playtested edition ever, though. The fact that broken shit still made it through in some cases just goes to show how badly the old editions were playtested.

Overall, relative to every other 40k release, they did a great job here. It's day 1 of 8th I wouldn't expect everything to be perfect. We're getting a Chapter Approved update at Christmas time and it will be a yearly thing after that, and continue to improve the game. If there's silly shit that you think can be fixed with simple and easy rules changes (not adding in whole new complex systems that double the length of the core rules), suggest that stuff on the community site when the feedback comments and live FAQ is implemented later this summer, get people to vote on it, and the game will be improved.

>>53858499
The entire index feels like they only tested Marines, Eldar and Tau.

Nothing there feels really broken or easy to abuse.
Fucking SoB can do abusive shit everyone can but those three.

>>53858526
What broken things can the Sisters do (besides field multiple Celestines)

>>53858526

The most hilarious thing is they forgot the unique line for celestine.

You can technically field an army composed only of self-resurrecting celestines.

>>53858324
And that's not true

>>53858515
FW will not leak indexes, they do not have any stores apart from warhammer world.

So theres no shop workers to betray them.

>>53858484
>Well 8th feels more bland than 3rd edition with just the rulebook.
Disagree, there are a lot more unique special rules in the 8th indexes than there were in the 3rd BBB.

>>53858496
>reseves having to be "deployed" is interesting
This isn't new info, everyone paying attention already knew this.

>>53858508
Same with 3rd it was a stop gap, but it is way better than the one we have in 8th.

I have to go out of my way to break the 3rd rulebook, here people broke it within seconds.

>>53858513
Never did, 3rd is best edition. Which is kind of sad considering it rather bad.

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>>53858228
She's a cute!

>>53858545
But there's a relatively good chance some anon out there will?

>>53858512
So if I put my tank within a terrain that has enough stuff to obscure 50% of my tank I get a cover
But if 99% of my tank is out of sight due to models being in their way they get nothing?

>>53858536
Beside the Celestine, you can do some nasty things with AoF that include Seraphims and Dominions.

>>53858551
>8th is more bland than 3rd
>8th has a lot more unique interactions than 3rd so is easier to break
Pick only one.

>>53858291
Fully LOS blocking terrain is really important. You still use true LOS for targeting purposes.

>>53858545
>betray
I feel this is an unfair characterisation.
"Promote to a wider audience ahead of time" would be more fair

>>53858545
Are you dumb? FW Chaos is already on Mega.

>>53858484
You realize aaa game companies spend tens of millions of dollars developing and playtesting games which still launch with bugs in them? And they have access to terabytes worth of data, black box testing and debug programs.

If conscripts are the worst thing to make it past playtesting, GW did a fine job.

Do character auras ever apply to themselves? Or is it a case of if it doesn't say explicitly that it does then the aura does not effect theselve anemic just other units.

>>53858612
It's the opposite: Character auras always apply to themselves if they fit the requirements, unless the aura says otherwise.

>>53858612
It's right in the core rules.

>>53858608
Meant for
>>53858472

>>53858608
Orks 5++ and 6+ FnP like rule is there too.

Along with never ending tzeench crap.

>>53858457
>relied too heavily on 6's.
Thing is, there's still a fuckton of things that proc on 6s. Taser, Rad-Poisoning, Electroleech, the various forms of Hammer of Wrath and Explode, and I haven't even left the Admech book yet.

>>53858546

It's just the only abilities going seem to be Reroll 1 To Hit/Wound, reroll all To Hit/Wound or get a +/-1 to Hit/Wound or a stat. Admech especially suffered there, they had loads of cool stuff like cutting cover, gaining power as combat wore on, staged Canticles and turn-by-turn melee-range choices that have all been slashed or removed completely.
Sure there are more rules for shit, but most of them are exactly the same. Take Deep Strike, for instance, that's now a catch-all for alternative deployment aside from the occasional take on Scout. There's no longer any risks to it, counterdeployment is a matter of arranging in a neatish grid and that's it, you'll never again land that sweet drop into the bare minimum of space to unload Melta and force the enemy to scatter onto his own tanks trying to dig you out. It all seems you could write an algorithm to play the game for you, really, just point homogenous guns at (optimal target stat or closest to it) and move away or towards units based on melee capability.

>>53858536
Act multiple times mainly. Only Khorne berserkers, Ynnari, and Flesh Tearers can also do that.

Does anyone have the FW indexes ? I want to know what they did with the sicaran.

>>53858620
Can't expect people to read all 8 pages.

>>53858603

That is not leaked, chaos and astartes are already out

RAW Valkyrie can take any amount of HK Missiles it wants.

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>>53858542
>retards will buy multiple Celestines because "unique" keyword is missing
>retards will be whining about how they paid GW but their army is now invalid, once this gets FAQ'd
The first rule of WH should be "Common Fucking Sense"

>>53857908
>says the heretic about 1 second before a plasma blast takes his head off

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For the release of 8th today my flgs had a cosplayer space marine come in, which was pretty cool. There was a big mega battle too which ended after about an hour and a half but was fun.
Watch Kharn rip through five custodes in one assault phase, my coldstar shot a chaplain to pieces and everyone had a good time.

>>53858648

What if they make Living Saints a regular unit?

>>53858648
Maybe if GW actually did their job like professionals we wouldnt have this problems.

They fail at copy pasting for fuck sake.

>>53858647

>Play 2k points
>Take 1 valk and only HKMs
>Fire everything turn 1
>???
>Profit!

>>53858056
someone photoshop a hose into that brother marines hand

>>53858629
But none of those things simply remove models like destroyer or stomp, or have some retarded powerful effect. The most you get is a mortal wound or extra regular wounds, which, in an addition where most big things have 5-12 wounds isn't a big deal.

>>53858631
Don't forget IG! Orders enable multiple acts.

8th edition is shit. Tau still wipe entire armies in one turn because the sheer number of dice they throw.

>>53858581
>T16 W70

holy shit, i guess i should have expect something nuts for warlords.

Anyone have the data sheets for the storm eagle?

>>53858647
What? HK missilies arent even listed on the Valkyrie's datasheet.

>>53858629
>It's just the only abilities going seem to be Reroll 1 To Hit/Wound, reroll all To Hit/Wound or get a +/-1 to Hit/Wound or a stat
How is that different than before? Furious Charge was +1 Strength on the charge, Rage was +1 extra attack on the charge, Preferred Enemy was re-roll hit and wounds of 1 - almost every buff fit into that category.

We still have flavorful shit all over the place, you're just trying to intentionally ignore those rules and focus on the generic ones.

Also Deep Strike is a thousand times more fun and tactical and deep now, before it was literally garbage RNG that was almost never worth using unless you had special rules like Drop Pods that overrode the normal DS rules.

>>53858671
Fair point, D weapons and Stomp were bullshit. I remember proposing that Stomp 6 be replaced with a hit at AP2 and S=Starting number of wounds/hp for the model. over 10 became D. It wound up instagibbing a lot less Primarchs.

>>53858631
Ooh, and GSC ambushes let you shoot twice, or deploy and then move.

>>53858603
You realise forgeworld list the release date for indexes right?

Chaos and Imperium were released today.

There won't be astra militarum or xenos archives until the 23rd.

>>53858633
The first mega link under "rules and such" in OP's post has the Chaos FW book.

>>53858664
It's not GWs problem that you're either retarded or knowingly abusing a minor misprint fully aware that it will soon be corrected in the first errata.

>>53858676
Get good faggot.

>t. melee race player

>>53858422
what are you talking about? Drop pods don't carry dreads anymore.

Are Sisters of Battle part of a larger faction or are they not in 8E?

>>53858685
Hellstrike missiles.

If we compared it to the wording of every other vehicle it. It can lend it self for multiple missiles if you have the points.

>most playtested edition
If this is playtested I want the old untested edition.

>>53858676
Wtf are you talking about? They throw the exact same number of dice, except they don't wound on 2s and you get your armor save.

>>53858731
He's talking about the Forge World Lucius dread pod, get with the program.

>>53858733
>retardation the post.

>>53858711
Is not the only strange wording, just look at the Valks it is different. Either they fail at basic copy paste or it is intentional.

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Couple of pic related + Abaddon + hundreds of cultists = hilariously broken

Can you even imagine hundreds of immune to morale 5++ cultists rerolling misses? And you thought conscripts were too much.

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>>53858676
Good thing we got lots of boyz!

>>53858733
They're under the same thing they were under in 7th, stop being retarded.

>>53858733
Subdivision of Adeptus Ministorum.

>>53858603
Are you dumb? In general?

>>53858676
shocking

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>>53858751
Wrong pic. Here it is.

>>53858690
Yeah, some stuff is great, I'm almost exactly neutral on the Ed change aside from being happy it got rid of some of the worst cheese. I like what it did to my Admech aside from a couple retarded stat decisions like Galvanics getting shitty rending instead of their rightful -1AP.

I'm not sure how Deep Strike became more tactical, it's just the same thing with the risk/reward entirely removed.

Sure, there was a lot of the same in the previous editions, I may be over-exaggerating there because I get irritated when somebody names one of their unique rules and then explains that it is identical to a previous USR. Domini do the same thing as Captains which do the same thing as half the other generic HQ choices, stuff like that, and they missed out the one system that was pretty much unarguably a good example of simplifying things. What's a good thing about removing USRs?

>>53858324
It took until 8th to kill Fantasy with its horde focus.
Maybe 40k 8th will also die to its horde focus.

>>53858781
>oreo dreadnought

Whats with the names? Are they intentionally making silly names?

>>53858764
I still spend money on a game that has been utter shit for almost 10 years. What was your question?

Which Chaos God would you worship?

>>53858802
Tzeentch

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>>53858790
Well movement tray will return.

>>53858019
The "flattening" of 8th kind of makes a lot of units all feel the same. 4 S3 shots is mathematically superior to a S11 shot in every and all circumstances. Guardsmen actually getting their T-shirt saves is nice for Guard, but really makes them feel that much closer to marines: it's 2 guardsmen to a marine rather than 3.

The flashy abilities of 7th meant that everything was an unbalanced clusterfuck but the toned-down abilities of 8th are, well, toned down.

>>53858751
Where are they getting 5++?

Also Cultists are 5ppm and don't get orders. This in combination with the weaker save makes them way worse than conscripts.

>>53858489
So you can give it two soul burners and cause around 6 mortal wounds on average to any squad within 24"?
But that does mean giving up the melee.
The flamer is so nice, and so is the butcher cannon so maybe take a claw and the cannon...

>only 8 power
what the fuck.

>>53858781
Am I missing something?
Its not equipped with a hellfire veil by default and the wargear section doesn't mention it.

>>53858792

It's from the days of Rogue Trader I believe.

>>53858808
What's the upside? Won't you become a worthless Chaos Spawn?

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>>53858790
And now the wall is down, the Marxists frown
There’s foreign shops all over town
When in Red Square, well don’t despair
There’s Levi’s and McDonald’s there
The US gave us crystal meth
And Yeltsin drank himself to death
But now that Putin’s put the boot in,
Who’ll get in our way?

So we reject free enterprise
And once again the left will rise.
Prepare the flags to be unfurled
For we’re seceding from the world:
We shall regain the Georgian soil
We shall obtain the Arctic oil
We shall arrange the blocks and toil
Forever and a day.

>>53858828
Game over.

>>53858802
Slaanesh

>>53858836
What's the upside? You'll just get tortured to death by some chad or Daemon.

>>53858285
i still don't get the meme of Gundam weeb=Tau

>>53858816
See >>53858781 Cultists will have much easier time hitting anything.

>>53858819
It is just a special rule on it, not a wargear.

>>53857750

Any volume of attacks unit that strikes first will at least cripple a genestealer unit.

But no, in general they're pretty much the ultimate CC unit in the game.

>>53858802
Nurgle

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>>53858835
Hip hip hurrah for the USSR!

>>53858852
Are you fucking serious?

>>53858859
What's the upside? Won't you just become a diseased, bloated Zombie piece of shit?

>>53858855
Ah yeah I see it now.

That might be kind of disgusting, actually.

>>53858815
Some like it, some don't.

I personally like knowing my opponent doesn't have access to some game breaking horseshit rule that should have never existed and was written by the codexes fanboy.

>>53858802
The Emperor of Mankind.

>>53858879
>implying

>>53858849
I die

>>53858824
I'm already a champion

>>53858890
No you're not.

>>53858658
NEWYORK
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>>53858734
Nah, the weapon entry on the datasheet is already plural. Is like "adamantium tracks" on the Baneblade or frag grenades or krak grenades.

Anyone else think grot tanks with grotzookas are going to be amazing?

>>53858449
i ordered when preorders went up, and i just got the email telling me he shipped it on friday. so if you havent gotten a email aside from your order confirmation, yours might not be sent yet. just email the dude, hes pretty chill and always has responded to me pretty quick

>>53858917
Wonder if you can actually buy multiple of those too.

I just find odd everything is clear cut while other things are not.

>>53858932
GW can't into basic industry standards regarding shipping.
I'm not surprise if they fuck up.

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>>53858560

>>53858861
No, because Tau aside being the "mecha race" are the less Gundam-like shit in the entire world
.

My poor LGS manager got shorted by GW shipments today. He says he spoke to the rep in the morning and the first words were "now don't panic, but..." and he was like oh good, what a shitshow today will be.

Now out of the people who pre-ordered their starter sets and indexes, more than half of them have to wait til next friday.

The fuck is the business side of GW even doing?

>>53857618
>mitch isnt gay
Dear God
>he has a girlfriend
No...

Anyone know a way to convert the epub rulebook to PDF? epub is slow and doesn't let me zoom in.

I also want to make a version without all the useless fluff

>>53858977
>being this much in denial

>>53858751

>Hellforged Leviathan may replace ONE Siege Claw and Meltagun with ONE of the following
>ONE Siege claw with ONE of the following

Welp, I guess my Double Grav 'nought won't be see service in the 41st millennia after all

>>53858925
For once, the answer to "DAE [whatever stupid shit]" may actually be "no".

>>53858679
>>53858547


I'm sure people are wondering..

its 1890 conscripts.

about 6800 points needed.

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>>53858802
there are no such thing as chaos 'gods', they are merely demons trying to corrupt you. the only god you will worship is his holiness, the emperor of mankind. thank him, because of him you shall recieve a swift death.

>>53858985
>girlfriend
I got bad news for you. Or maybe good new?

>>53858985
A girl(male)friend. That still makes him pretty gay.

Shoutouts to the douchebags who didnt invite anyone other than their gay little clique to the midnight release party at our LGS
Fuck you faggots

>>53859000

Oh boo fucking hoo you get a version with more attacks and it can heal itself by killing and you're upset you can't run mortis?

>>53859006
What is "DAE" ?

>>53859024
Did/Does anyone else.

>>53859014
>>53859012

Only one way to find out ;^}

>>53859024
Direccion de Asuntos Estudiantiles

>>53859024
Urban dictionary is your friend

>>53858983
i think they actually were overwhelmed with orders. my local non-gw said he ordered more 8th stuff then he sold 40k all last year. that or people are just super fucking hyped for 8th

>>53858985
https://youtu.be/QPeNOEdVmbc?t=31

>>53859034
Meh, if it is cute and has at least one usable hole is good enough.

>>53858983
Seems like GW underestimated demand.

They weren't the only ones. I thought barely anybody would get the new starter set at the FLGS, just like with the Dark Vengeance one.
But then I saw the Dark Imperium box set get sold out within minute's after the midnight release.

So it could very well be GW just can't keep up with the sales with how their regular logistic system.

>>53858997
i use calibre for all my converting ebook needs. i just looked and it can change to pdf

did someone post the adeptus astartes forgeworld book from forgeworld allready? hope i didnt miss that, saw the kind anon who got us the chaos space one.

>>53859024
Did anybody ejaculate

commonly heard after penis inspection day

>>53859055
When I open it in Calibre all the text/font sizes are fucked.

>>53859039
I get that the hype was huge, but they were taking orders 2 weeks in advance, you'd think they would have managed to meet all the pre-order demand or at least most of it.

It's not like they completely ran out of stock and have to make another production run because it's only taking them another week to ship the rest.

It's not a big deal to me, I'm a patient man, but I feel bad for my LGS manager who's a chill guy but has to deal with some autists not getting their midnight release boxes.

>>53858019
I feel the same way. Hopefully codices will fix it, but fuck knows when we'll get those. We'll probably be waiting a while, unless you're playing Sigmarines or Death Guard.

>>53858998
>memes

>>53859054
Well if they did basic marketing research they would know that.

Here have more marines.

>>53859024
Dab All Evening.

>>53859068
Thanks man, at least one guy in this thread could give me a straight answer amongst all the stupid troll replies.

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>>53859101

>>53859071
i dont use calibre to read, i convert it with calibre, then use adobe reader for reading pdf's. i just converted the big rulebook that some anon posted earlier from epub to pdf using calibre and it looks fine in adobe

>>53859100
You should know by now that The Most Important Rule for GW is the following :

Thou shall NOT do 'market research'

>>53859051
This guy knows the truth

>>53859095
>asian-inspired race with jetpack mecha technology literally known for being infested by weebs who proxy their gunpla models as riptides
>i-it's just a meme!

>>53859126
They do now, though.

The guy who said "we don't do market research" got fired or quit after Rountree took over.

New GW™ is an actual thing despite also being a meme.

>>53859132
have you seen an aged tranny? you dont because they either off themselves when they fall apart or go back to being full on men. is that something you want to get emotionally attached to?
i dont have anything against them, i dont give a shit either way, but facts are facts, so buyer beware

>>53859132
Well I'm just a lonely man that pays college girls for a portion of their dignity.

I get something and they get part of their education paid. Everyone wins

>>53859133
oh so it is fault of theshitty westerns like always

What is the most fun faction, and why is it Sisters of Battle?

>>53859148
>hire market researcher
>find out marines are like 50% of their 40k revenue
>make new space marine marines
i agree with you anon, they obviously are doing something right, as in making what most people who play want. while i still sit here, waiting for plastic steel legion or gw death korp models

>>53859148
GW is like war. It never changes.

>>53858235
Kek'd, capped and saved

>>53859159
Yup. White people ruin everything they touch.

>>53859170
Everything is better when there are boobs involved.

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>>53859170
Heavy bolter Retributors

>>53859153
A lot of the trans women I know in their 40s look good for their age, it's a combination of keeping in shape and estrogen levels not falling I think

I mean face it broseph no one looks like they're 20 forever (unless you're Asian maybe)

>>53859159
Well, yes. But that still makes it a true stereotype.

>>53859185
Don't trigger the resident /pol/fags or we might as well make the new thread and move right now.

>>53859148
>never update an army for over 20 years
>release a model for that army with a style of the old good days
>surprise about the demand

To quote them:
>Beyond our wildest expectations.

I really doubt they have done any research. They never sit down and question why something is selling.

>>53857780
Not till the 23rd.

>>53858489
What the fuck a daemon engine that hits on 3's??

HOW MANY PTS IS THIS

I need to field him again

>>53858855
>if equipped with a Hellfire Veil
It's wargear and he doesn't have it by RAW. It's obviously intended to be an alternative to the missile launcher, same as the 30k version can take either Aiolos Launcher or Atomantic Pavise, but as is it's not strictly speaking a thing.

>>53859170
>>53859190
If only they still sold those delicious $14 a pop Heavy Bolter girls.

>>53858067
Readium and Azardi for PC, Kobo for Android

>>53857568
>8th Edition FAQ:
>Wu Tang Klan dead
>"Hurr Durr unit abilities don't take modifiers into account" retards BTFO
>no you can't re-roll opponent's dice
>no you can't target characters if they aren't the closest unit
>
Damn, it's almost as if reading comprehension and common sense were useful traits to have in wargaming.

Now if they could just nuke this re-roll-before-modifiers crap and possibly the transport speeding up your deployment, that would be nice.

>>53859217
You realize that it takes a long time from the point where GW starts working on something to the point where we see the finished product, right? Like a year or more?

The Veridyan model would have been started before New GW management even took over. It's only right around now we're going to start to see the results of things started by new GW, rather than finished and pushed out the pipeline by them after being started by the old management.

>>53859236
They sell single heavy bolter sisters here still, unlucks senpai

>>53858547
Late to the party
What is this "Macro" weapon type?

>>53859159
Yup. Even the japanese hate weaboos with a burning fiery passion.

>>53859236
Plastic sisters hype?

>>53859195
Jesus fuck which hole did you crawl out of where you can say "a lot of the trans woman I know in their 40s"

>>53859249
>1997
Is enough time to come with something by now.

>>53859248
>Now if they could just nuke this re-roll-before-modifiers crap
If they do it in the opposite order it also causes weird problems. They went with the lesser evil solution I think.

>>53859023

A little, I like shooting things

>>53859248
>not understanding most of the people were merely commenting on RAW, and wanted things FAQ'd

Shit comprehension you have there. Also, transports speeding up deployment is great. Go fuck yourself.

>>53859266
>SoBfag misunderstanding the point because they're determined to stay buttdamaged about their unsupported fringe snowflake army
Holy shit just off yourself.

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Can anyone suggest some good hfy stuff in the warhammer universe?

I'd like to read about an eldar being impressed with the resilience of a guardsmen or the strength of a space marine.

Yes I know most eldar have their heads too far up their asses to admit we can be cool some times.

>>53859277
Then play loyalists, Chaos are more melee oriented.

>>53859007

Which is another way to say he dies to equal points of conscripts in 2 turns.

>>53859285
GW shill.
With how successful third parties have been with the SoB market, only retards would not try to make some bucks with it by now.

Now I'll continue painting my forever updated Ultramarines

What the fuck. Why do space furries get more unit options than most Factions?

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>>53858802
>worshipping dem puny Chaos Gods instead of Gork n' Mork

>>53859233
>>53858855

I looked it up and hellfire veil is indeed a wargear that costs 35 points.

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>Battle Cannon is the best long-range gun now
>sponson bolters are notbad.jpg
>lascannons are still the go-to long range AT

Is it me or was the Leman Russ redone specifically to make the classic fluff configuration commonly used again? Because if I run a Battle Tank and not a Demolisher that's what I'm going with now.

Sure it's not GREAT at deleting things, but it can hurt anything now and it's quite hard to get off the board. Not bad for fire support.

>>53859303
Is it even possible to get that many conscripts in lasgun range from deployment?

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>>53859293
Read this shit and weep

>tfw there will never be any Lamentor Primaris

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>>53859170
>What is the most fun faction
>Not saying it's Orks

>>53859345
Well most deployments are 24" apart so if you move them a bit further you could get a lot of shots turn 1.

>>53859322
Because it's in their nature to have their own weird devient wolfy shit. They're the least codex of the major mraine chapters.

>>53859339
Arm it with whatever cannon and 3 heavy flamers. Fuck that fluffy shooting stuff. Just rush in and set things on fire.

>>53859322

Cause instead of giving HQ units options, they had to list a separate entry for each

>Battle leader
>Battle leader on bike
>Battle leader with termi
>Battle leader on wolf

Also they have a fuckton of unique characters.

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>>53859293
Captain Titus kinda, One man ork genocide, hangs out with his guard buddies while they're on their recaf breaks, punches sorcerer lords in the face. Just an all round good dude, it's a bit shit that with Sicarius moving on from the 2nd company they didn't make Titus the captain for real.

>>53859339
That's how I've been running it. Yeah, you can specialise with a different cannon or sponsons, but cheap and versatile is how I like them.

Although is anyone else annoyed that they made the Nova cannon d6 shots and d3 damage instead of 2d6 shots and 1 damage?

>>53859369

At that point you might run hellhounds.

>>53859293
Read tau stuff. They bring out the best even from humanity.

>>53859280
There was nothing RAW about +1 to wound not buffing snipers, mortars sniping characters or re-rolling dice you didn't roll in the first place. Also, WU Tang Klan was full-on rule lawyering, nothing about "wanting things to be FAQ'd".

And I dislike transport deployment rules because it's inconsistent. Other deployment options (combat squad, reserves) get a special mention that forbids them from getting you first turn, but transport don't. You basically get the choice of first turn for free by playing mechanised infantry, even if you have a bajillion actual units.

>>53859236
I need to track down one more. I only have eleven.

>>53859363
>yfw SoB out Ork the Orks
Are other factions even trying?!

>>53859369
For close quarters, sure. I'd do that with a Punisher. Fuck yo blobs.

But for LONG range, where the Battle Cannon is in its element...why not?

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Post the most 40k model your faction has!

>>53859023
The loyalist one is straight up better. It can have all ranged weapons AND it has a better invuln save at all times. Being able to heal a wound is nothing when you'll be taking more wounds from shooting.

The Chaos one is straight up worse.

>hurr chaos is more for melee

Except no, not every chaos legion is.

>>53859384
>an army of infantry in fast moving transports will frequently get the drop on their footslogging opponents due to being able to pick and choose when and where they engage.

I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.

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>>53859293
>humans are this desperate for validation

>>53859351
w-what happens to the lamentors after? Why can't they get chad marines?

>>53859416
More like said army of infantry in fast moving transport get the drop on task force that can litterally teleport in their face.

>>53859384
Wu Tang Clan?

>>53859423
knowing the lamenters their hellblasters would overcharge and detonate their armoury.

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Finally tallied up all my SM models and figured out how to "fit" them into a battle-forged army for 8th edition

how do y'all think apocalypse games are gonna be in 8th?

also what do you guys think of my fluffy army?

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>>53859400
Best chaplain model there ever was and ever will be.

Best of all I managed to get hold of one that is just how I like my music : heavy, and metal.

>>53859381
Hellhounds aren't as tough and don't put out anywhere NEAR as much firepower.

>inferno cannon/chem cannon + flamer: 2d6 shots
>T7 11W
115 points

>Punisher + 3 flamers: 20+3d6 shots
>T8 12W
197 points. Pricier but you get more than double the power for your points, if not more than double the toughness.

>>53859383
Hey, it's been 100 years right? There HAVE to be some human psykers on those Tau worlds at this point.

Is there a Tau Inquisition kidnapping human children who show strange gifts and trying to figure out what the fuck is going on?

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Draw pardner!

>>53858162

When did the tabletop ever simulate combat in the 41st millennium

>>53859429
Really? They can shoot at them even when they're in reserves? Because unless they can do that, then you still get the drop and first shots off by teleporting. It's just the boots on the ground who don't.

Oh wait, you're one of those null deployment faggots, aren't you?

>>53859451
They pretty sure have somewhat psychic auxilaries to screen those out. No one knows what happens to them in those education camps but I've heard from my water caste friend that they are moved to some special position off-world.