/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls General

I claim this thread for the glory of Alkosh.

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>>53851917
[spoilers]Not today[/spoilers]

What happened to Leyawiin and the Khajiit resistance fighters after Oblivion? Is it still a part of Cyrodiil?

>>53852639
Unknown, though there hasn't been any mention of it changing hands.

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>>53851792
Haven't been here in a few months, did the thread stop getting posted on Fridays? Are there new rules or something?

Is Manny the most powerful (mortal) mage in Tamriel? If not, who is?

>>53853599
Depends on the weekend. If threads are started on Friday we will get two in on the weekend, the second one started some tine sunday. If it's started on saturday there will probably only be one.

This isn't a bad thing, a few weeks (months)? ago there was a lot more traffic but we seemed to be getting /tesg/ people for some reason, maybe because ESO. I have no clue.

>>53853599
The week befre last the thread went most of the week, to the point that Friday was skipped over for last weekend's thread. Probably a holdover from that.

>>53853687
Maybe The Sage?

>>53852639

id imagine that like all political movements it burned itself out, or was snuffed out by the established government that recognized the threat of a potential rebellion

>>53853687
Powerful is a pretty nebulous term. You also didn't specify a time period.

Azra Nightwielder could pull off some pretty impressive magical bullshit, and so can Fyr, but in very different ways.

>>53853687
>(mortal)
Hah

Which tes character would enjoy eurobeat

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The ACTUAL song of Pelinal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TzUNti3rY

>>53854939
Anon, we've been through this already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ZqFlw6hYg

>>53854939
>>53855227
Actually...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepI6cSZ9S4

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>>53854871

new here, i gotta ask, did any of you get into eso? how?

Rolled 2 (1d100)

yes

>>53856591
No, I am considering it though, since there's a Vvardenfell to go back to. Still I have never played any mmos except for 2007 runescape so I have no clue if it is even worth it.

Their in-game books are shit from what I have read, and there seems to be a fair amount of anachronisms and lore-butchery due to ignorance or laziness. I would need some convincing before I hopped on the eso wagon

>>53853687
Vehk, but that's mostly through cheats/console commands

>>53856591
I just can't be bothered to care about a huge MMO, especially when I don't even like the genre.

>>53856591
Eh, MMOs aren't good at keeping my attention. Plus ESO keeps switching stuff around so much I wouldn't even know how to start playing.

Heck, I don't even know if its subscription or not, and I hate spending too much money on anything.

>>53856488
>>53854871
>Cyrobeat

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>>53857692
>>53854871
https://youtu.be/ppSPsvO19dU

>there is a whole ES community in Russia you will never interact with

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>>53858444

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>>53858444
What do they talk about?

>>53858598
It it's anything like the Russian Mount and Blade community it's super weird and autistic.

>>53858444
I wonder what headcanons they have.

I remember reading something in the past about powerful mages making their own planes of oblivion. Anyone have any details or sources on that?

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So, is there any lore reason for that Dragon appearing from the false-sun in Blackreach? Or is it another case of Bethesda being Bethesda?

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Do we have any info on when did Dawnstar take place?

>>53859155
Probably the latter. It shows how old the dwemer were, their mastery over the land and creatures, even their potential understanding of the thu-um or the relation of the thu-um and tonal architecture. But uesp doesn't really list any sources so I guess it's there to be cool.

>>53851792
Does the Elder Scrolls Universe support any forms of blood magic? What kinds? If you had the chance to what would you add in the same subject?

>>53859441
Not as far I know, no. Probably for the best - TES already has necromacy as the taboo magic.

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>>53856591
Ive never played it, but Ive kept up with the lore. Its meh. The only real appeal is being able to see previously unexplored parts of Tamriel, but the game really doesn't take advantage of these locations much.

The real shame of ESO is that thanks to it we will probably never have a main series game or expansion to one that focuses on Molag Bal or Coldharbour.

>>53859441
>>53860545
Some of the rituals of the Forsworn and Hagravens in Skyrim seems somewhat blood magicy. These are never really elaborated on however, other then them being some sort of old magic.

Underking > Mannimarco

Wish I understood why they opposed each other though. Maybe because one is trying to die, the other is trying to conquer death?

>>53859059
That's kind of what mankar camoran did but I think he had help from Dagon

>>53860613
Because Underking wants to protect the Empire, and because Mannimarco is an evil elf who wants to become a God. Naturally they would be opposed.

>>53860603
It was my understanding that they were mimicking Lorkhan in some manner and the magic they were using was influenced by that.

I could be wrong, as I'm pretty sure I read that here, but at least with the briarheart have some strong symbolism leaning in that direction.

>>53858632
This guy made some drawings of the different kinds of khajiit, and I think it's pretty good
http://liveforums.ru/top/details-elisium-if.html?blockedDomain=liveforums.ru

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>>53861266
OwO what's this?

>>53861328
ffs. I always play khajiit and this doesn't reflect well on me

>>53860603
Wasn't that nigga Harkon doing some blood shield shit? Also Vampire Lord spells and powers

>>53860545
Necromancy isn't even taboo tho

At least in Skyrim

Then again I have no fucking idea how that works. The spells not the laws

>>53862350
It's taboo in morrowind and oblivion.

>>53862467
>>53862350
Its taboo with the Nords outside of the College of Winterhold as well, and the College keeps its acceptance of Necromancy quiet.

What can you tell me about Reman Cyrodiil and his exploits. He's sounds like an interesting guy.

>>53862823
The guy out-partied Sanguine, for one.

>>53862823
He wanted to put a man on the moon and his last heir was assassinated

So a Tamrielic JFK

>>53862823
During the Middle Dawn he created a Space Empire and created Pelinel
He also BTFO the Akaviri invaders so hard they swore loyalty immediately

>>53862987
>o a Tamrielic JFK
Nah, Reman was actually competent and not connected to organized crime

>>53862823
He is obsessed with fucking things he shouldn't and coming on people he shouldn't.

>>53861180
It's hard to say, since we don't know what religious practices they follow. However, we do know some ritual phrase related to creating Briarhearts:

"Heart of thorn... bones of the wild... in life, Forsworn...
...rise from death, Blood of our Blood."

Personally to me it suggests a relationship to Hircine or nature in general. Some unofficial stuff presents them as like Native Americans - I hate it since it's done so shallowly, but could mske for inspiration on actual lore.

>>53863041
Wouldn't you if your dad fucked a mound of earth?

>>53863258
We also know that Faolin the Red Eagle was the first Brairheat, and it allowed him to take the role of the Rebel in the ceremony, and that the ceremony involving ripping their hearts out has enough connection to Lorkhan than even Neloth thought it could be connected somehow

>>53863258
>Some unofficial stuff presents them as like Native Americans
They're supposed to be Picts, not Amerindians. Its supposed to contrast the British/French thematics of the Bretons and the Druids of Galen

>>53863398
The forsworn do have some Aztec undertones along with classical pict barbarian ones. Namely the shape of their weapons and how they rip out the heart of some people because of stuff related to their gods. Other then that they are pretty much just Picts though.

>>53863258
>I hate it since it's done so shallowly

Yeah the Forsworn are critically underdeveloped as a faction. Makes you wonder why they even bothered to include them, they are just Reach Bandits.

Compare them to something like the Ashlander tribes, it really shows how Bethesda has changed.

>>53863550
Just look at the Silver Hands. Literally just bandits with shinier weapons.

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>>53860613
Zurin Arctus is Arkay

>>53863574
But isn't Zurin suppose to be part of the trinity that makes up Talos. He can't be a god and one third

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>>53863550
Yeah, you only really get minor depth on them from reading a few scattered lorebooks, but otherwise there's not much on them. Which is a shame, because the Reachmen are an interesting people both culturally and geographically. They are Bretons who migrated back closer to their Nedic homeland, and mingled with both the Nords and the Orsimer. They're culture should be some sort of mixture of Traditional Nordic belief, Orsimer Malacath worship, and the Dirennei Elven Pantheon. They were the first Manmer to be encountered by the Nords, Live in what is essentially the lost fringe territory of the Rourken Dwemer, were once able to expel the Allessian Empire from the Reach, and were the major military force that Chulacain fought against before their loss against Hjalti at Hrol'Dan.

For a people that supposedly had such a presence in the lore, and would no doubt have an interesting culture, religion, and development over time, there's essentially nothing on them and in Skyrim they just amount to a disorganized force of pelt-wearing, axe-dragging daedra worshipers! And for some reason they keep attacking the local Orc Strongholds despite the fact it was supposedly the Orcs who taught them hedge-magic in the first place!

They could've been cool, instead they're just as bland and watered down as the rest of the bloody province

>>53863861
>and mingled with both the Nords
Not this shit again.

>>53864060
I find it extremely doubtful a culture of people can exist in a location without "mingling" with the more native inhabitants of said location.

>>53864161
Even when they hate each others' guts?

>>53864184
Especially if they hate each others' guts.
Take their women, rape them as much as you can, rape their men while you're at it. Hell, children I guess if you're into that. A goat is fine too.
Doubt they would use contraception.

>>53863778
By Arctus I mean his previous incarnation, Arnand the Fox. As in, he was a god before Zurin was even born.
Note, Zurin is also said to bare heavy connections to Magnus as well. When it comes to things like this you have to throw personal logic out the window and realize, that these aren't normal people we are dealing with. While Zurin is a part of Talos that doesn't mean he is literally the substance of Talos. Consider how Orkey, Arkay, and Xarxes are all the same thing.

Mind you this is all just a theory of mine, anyways.

>>53864184
>>53864161
Is there any source that says they intermixed? Is there a source that says they didn't?

>>53864375
PGE1 says that Reachmen had very little Nordic blood, at least by the time of Tiber Septim.

>>53864375
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/High_Rock
>precious little Nord blood flows in the veins of today's Reachmen.

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What are these things exactly?

>>53864675
literal frostbite

>>53864726
haha you're so fuckin funny anon
answer me bitch

>>53864777
With trips like those how could I refuse.

The answer is we we don't actually know.
Honestly, the literal personification of frostbite is actually the best answer I could come up with.

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>>53864675
Elemental spirits. Like spriggans, but of ice instead of the trees. There's not a lot of lore on elemental spirits it seems.

A better question would be, what the fuck is she?

>>53864902
Hot

Just discovered this little tidbit of lore.
A Dreugh song from the previous Kalpa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5m_XtCX3c

>>53864902
>Some say they are ghosts, waiting to be laid to rest. Others, that they are all that remains of the Snow Elves who once ruled Skyrim
>Master Sadren Sarethi posits that Wispmothers are a necrologic state, a type of lich-dom developed by a now-forgotten First Era culture. Under his theory, these are no mere ghosts - they are a cult of powerful sorceresses who achieved eternal life through undeath
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Wispmother
>For generations, the people of Morthal have told whispered tales of the Pale Lady, a ghostly woman who wanders the northern marshes, forever seeking her lost daughter. Some say she steals children who wander astray, others that her sobbing wail strikes dead all those who hear it. But behind these tales may lie a kernel of truth, for ancient records speak of 'Aumriel', a mysterious figure Ysgramor's heirs battled for decades, and finally sealed away
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lost_Legends

>>53865076
good on ya

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>>53865070
>previous Kalpa

>>53865194
This is one of my favorite memes.

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Boo

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>>53865845
pull up pussy

>>53865194
>>53865220

Can someone explain this meme to a dumb n'wah?

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>>53867387
Someone a few threads ago misspelled the word 'past' and thus created the new canon that the Dreugh are from a pasta kalpa.

What are atronachs and how are they called into the realm seen in the game? How does conjuration in general work?

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What Fargoth did after Elder Scrolls III

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>>53867858
Driving the mongrel dogs of the Empire

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>>53863861
>for some reason they keep attacking the local Orc Strongholds despite the fact it was supposedly the Orcs who taught them hedge-magic in the first place!
>They could've been cool, instead they're just as bland and watered down as the rest of the bloody province
Blame the hagravens for leading their culture astray.

>>53859325

those games arent canon most likely

>>53864675

non daedric elementals

>>53867858

fargoth is the canon nerevarine

>>53858444
>>53858623

https://youtu.be/xQMLg0VEm2c

>>53859325
The only thing you could use to date it is that going by the Cyrodiilic-sounding name of the Governor, it probably was at some time while Skyrim was part of the Empire.

Really, both Stormhold and Dawnstar (particularly the latter) are more or less forgotten games, and there's now a whole lot to them. Of all the mobile games, Shadowkey is the really neat one.

>>53851792
Tried the other thread and got no response. I've been playing Morrowind, and I've recently gotten to Bittercup.

Is it better to have 120 Endurance at Level 13 and increase health to insane levels especially late game, or increase Intelligence to 120 with Atronach sign and roll in all the magicka right now?

>>53863861
Bethesda Quality.

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>>53858444
>Tfw no qt Slav gf to discuss lore with while she kicks my ass at CSGO.
Why even live?

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>not posting based slavic cosplayers

>>53870454
Oh my goodness, its the feet and face pic all over again. Oh my goodness no. This needs to stop. THey need to stop taking his feet and his face. This is so uncomfortable because its so real. THat being said, I think its time to loose some weight, get some prosthetic feet and cosplay as almalexia.

>>53870288
Unless you've modded it, the Bittercup shouldn't be able to raise attributes past 100. That said, early Endurance is generally the best option unless you're really hurting for magicka.

>>53871219
Code patch. Thank you.

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Happy fathers day /tgesg/

>>53870758
You might need to shave your neckbeard and ball hair as well.

Does anybody here have any idea where I can find any TES themed roll20 maps?

Be it dungeons, encounters or houses.

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>>53872173
Post parents.

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>>53872616

>>53872608
Take regular ones and set it where appropriate. Worse case scenario, say "It's volcanic ashland" in a rocky region.

>>53872688

It's a bit of a different issue. I can't find anything that even resembles a Dunmer temple. Or any kind of architecture that isn't somewhat generic. That may be alright in the Imperial areas of my campaign, but the Dunmer areas are all kinda flavorless.

>>53872717
I'm not too familiar with Roll 20, but if you can you might be able to sketch it and upload it. Might take some time and effort, but most players can see past a lack of color and eraser marks. It is a game of imagination after all.

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>>53872608
Only thing I have on hand is a quick map i made based off Riften, though it's kind of bad. Still, if you're interested I might have it lying around.
Fair warning, it's more or less MS Paint levels of quality.

The closest thing I can think of outside of that is Scrollhammer stuff, but that's pretty barebones. I've been meaning to cook up a pack of icons for that, but I'm a lazy bastard.
Plus that's tokens, not maps, so it might not be what you're looking for.

If all else fails, try just flying up over some Morrowind buildings and take screenshots while looking straight down. That might work with a bit of editing.

What are you going to be using it for? Running or planning a campaign?

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>>53872811
5e TES campaign.
Everything is done.
Only some of the potential maps are missing or at least unsatisfying.
I've designed countless of maps (aka stolen and changed or just did something myself), but some of them just seem bland in comparison to others and I can't find anything online that could help me out here.

I was fairly surprised. Before my players and me wanted to run an TES campaign, we all assumed DnD maps would with TES style would be abundant.

>>53872807
I'd definitely appreciate the sketch of Riften!

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>>53873010
>5E
Not my cup of tea, but I hope you have fun.

I found that Riften map, though as you can see it's not much to brag about. I threw it together for testing Roll20, before finding out how much I disliked the UI of that place.

Give me a minute and I'll upload the map it's based off, that might be more useful to you.

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>>53873088

>>53873088
>>53873114
Thank you!

>Not my cup of tea, but I hope you have fun.

It's more of a habit with 5e for us, I guess.
However, we've also always had fun so far or we'd look into switching.

>>53869741
>Of all the mobile games, Shadowkey is the really neat one.
Agree. It really painted Western Reach as a pretty weird region, what with talking trees, flying sealife, wormmouths, shadow magic etc.

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Wew this thread is dead.

Anyway I have a lore question. Is there any merit the the theory that the Agent from Daggerfall is the Eternal Champion from Arena? Or is it just pure fan conjecture?

What was Dagoth Ur's plan in the end?
Was it to spread blight across the entirety of Morrowind and infect everyone with corpus? Or what? He seems autistic about "divinity" but his actual plans I can't deduce.

Also, where is all the lore behind ash creatures (vampires, ghouls, ascended sleepers etc)? I want to know how they work.

>>53878269
Read "Dagoth Ur's Plans" nigger.

>>53878007
I doubt it.
The eternal champion would be well recognized by then and wouldn't make a good agent

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>>53878269
This explains it all

Holy smokes this was a dead weekend

Hopefully that means there will be more to talk about next weekend

Who's the #1 dad in tamriel?

>>53881788
Tall Papa

>>53881788
divayth of course

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>>53863550
I would've been fine for it if they'd used them as an excuse for variety, but you only ever see them around Markarth, with an outpost towards Solitude. And Skyrim is a game that as a whole I feel needs more variety than it has.

>>53878007
Just fan conjecture, I think. There's no concrete evidence connecting the two aside from the Emperor referring to the Agent as 'his champion' and us having no idea what happened to the Eternal Champion.

Fun fact, your Daggerfall character gets a randomly generated backstory. Some of it can actually be a little interesting, if not good for actual lore.

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>>53878007
The Daggerfall Chronicles gives different birth dates for the Agent and Eternal Champion, the latter being five years older.
And many of the generative backgrounds >>53882570 this anon mentioned heavily imply Bethesda did not intend for the Agent to be the considered the EC (though when it comes to roleplaying, these backgrounds are really just suggestions).

While obviously Bethesda doesn't have the final say in how you decide to play your character, it is clear that, canonically, the Agent and EC aren't intended to be the same person.
This said, I think I remember hearing somewhere that Bethesda did originally plan to allow you to import your character from Arena into Daggerfall, but the function was scrapped.

Do vampires have souls in the lore?

>>53873010
What happens in 5e
How long is the 4th era in that case

Someone explain Coda to me? I understand that the world has been deteriorating since made by Lorkhan, sliding further into barbarism. And that the whole thing was an attempt for him to force mortals to make a new world based on love instead of betrayal. But what is Coda? An end-times period further past Skyrim, where Tamriel itself is breaking down?

Who is the best daedric god and why is it Hircine?

>>53884689
Because it's Clavicus Vile

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>>53884689
Peryite

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>>53884689
Sanguine. Hes Slaanesh without the masochism. Just booze, sex, and wild parties.

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Being the Daedric Prince of forbidden knowledge, how much of the TES Cosmology does Hermaueus Mora know about? Does he know about the Godhead and the Dream and things like CHIM? If he did know of it, as a Daedric prince would it be possible for him to achieve it?

>>53882570
>your Daggerfall character gets a randomly generated backstory
Yeah, I had one where apparently when my character was younger, he saved one of the emperor's sons from a cannibal

>>53882771
Yes albeit belonging to Molag Bal.

>>53884003
>But what is Coda?

Not canon.

>>53884003
It's Kirkbride fanfiction. Not necessary to understand the ES world just a fanciful extension of it. If you like it, fine. If not, whatever. I think it exemplifies all that makes MK what he is, good and bad (maybe more bad in this case).

Is it canon? Who's to say. I would guess probably not

>>53885432
I'm not too sure if he believes or acknowledges it, or knows it.
Mora is the prince that hoards secrets, he has forbidden and arcane knowledge but who knows if he actually uses it, instead of just keeping it in a pile like a small angry child.

>>53885278
Pretty sure the daedric prince of debauchery entails all forms of debauchery.

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>>53889590
>the entire realm is one big SSD with infinite memory
>heaps of rare and disgusting porn books scattered all over the place
>the owner isn't even aware of what's in it anymore, he just keeps shoveling more shit in his never ending backlog
How relatable.

>>53889942
Exactly that. People forget just how petty Hernia Mora is. It's all about secrets for the sake of having secrets. I'm pretty sure his denizens even use it as a form of currency.

>>53889942
I see it more like Mora literally being the SSD.

>>53889942
Has never been more obvious when the whole battle between the Skaal and Mora was boiled down to "how to milk a horker - without getting horny in the process. Or maybe you do, and don't tell anyone. Our little secret."

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>>53885432
Hoarding knowledge is not the same as having knowledge, and having knowledge is not the same as understanding it.
Consider the difference between owning a copy of The Phenomenology of Spirit, having read The Phenomenology of Spirit, and then actually understanding what's in The Phenomenology of Spirit. And then again, even if you reach understanding that doesn't necessarily mean you believe it.

Herma-Mora is a great example of the Princes as beings of concept.
Mora doesn't gather secrets for the sake of learning or understanding, he does it for the secrets themselves. The nature of a secret or piece of information doesn't really matter, just the possession of it.
That isn't to say Princes can't act in indirect ways, or with goals, but they don't really function like mortals when it comes to what they value and why they seek it.

Sanguine doesn't indulge in revelry for physical pleasure, he does it because revelry itself is what he desires. Hircine usually won't care who is being hunted or how it's done, just that a proper hunt is taking place.

Princes are weird, and this probably doesn't explain all they do this also has to with with how they're written, but it's important to remember that they're fundamentally amoral and immortal. Their motivations are strange.

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>>53890797
>the pc's name
Very nice touch

>>53889942
Maybe that's why he's constantly luring in those who hunger for knowledge - probably the closest he gets to getting any of it sorted.

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>>53893215
>ywn hang out with a bunch of tentacle nerds in Apocrypha and laugh at Mora's creepy doujin stash

>>53893595
You spend too much time with the seekers, you will become one of them.

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>>53894016
Awesome~

Does anyone have any good scenario ideas for an elder scrolls scenario in unofficial?

>>53895150
Just so I understand - you mean a scenario involving the Elder Scrolls in the UESRPG?

I'd say anything that requires a precise knowledge of something, particularly in an area where time or the rules of reality got messed up. Like finding out what happened to a noble family after the Warp in the West.

>>53895826
Yeah, but I'm just looking for something beginner because I've never ran it before. I might just have them do a dungeon crawl as errand boys for some telvanni.

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>>53895150
Prison break in Black Marsh.
Either play as prisoners on the run, or play as mercenaries paid to bring the escapees to justice.

During the chaos of the Arnesian War, Symmacus was killed in combat near Mournhold. But though a memorial service has held after the defeat of Jagar Tharn, his actual body was never found.
On his deathbed, a veteran has confessed to stealing the corpse and hiding it in an old crypt, with intent to blackmail the Ra'athim family for its return. But with the chaos of the war and the death of several of his accomplices, the plan never bore fruit.
Either play as adventurers hired by King Helseth to find and return his father's remains, or as opportunists taking the chance to secure the body and follow the veteran's plan to hold it for ransom.

Alinor is awash with internal strife between extremist groups like the Beautiful and the Trebbite Monks. Recently rumours of revolt have been abundant near Firsthold, troubling non-Altmer with business interests there. A Redguard merchant league hires the players to protect their interests in the city.

Conflicts between two rival Witch Covens has escalated into outright combat. Turns out a coven from the Wrothgarians has been displaced by Orcs, and in turn they're trying to oust the Skeffington Witches from their ritual grounds deep in Skeffington Woods. Employment opportunities present themselves.

Some dude wants some thing that's in some kind of dungeon. Go find it.

>>53896179
Sorry, I'm dumb, I thought you wanted a scenario with the literal Elder Scrolls. >>53897415 has some great ideas, especially the prison break one - it can help get over some of the confusion about equipment and force some creative scavenging.

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Hello /tgesg/, and welcome to my first official announcement since mantling Seht.

We know that you have been waiting patiently for the Inhabitants of Tamriel to be reworked, and in order to do so I introduced the "Scroll of X" concept (A temporary, smaller booklet-sized release format containing a chapter of the IoT and some extra goodies) in order to get content out to you, /tgesg/ legion, faster, for I love you.

And now it is with great pleasure that I can announce that the team has completed the Scroll of Beasts, containing the rules for the common, and some uncommon beasts and pests of Tamriel, along with some rules of how to reap the rewards of surviving your encounters with them! The PDF can be found in the UESRPG Link compendium in the OP.

The next scroll slotted for release is the Scroll of Undead, which will contain the rules for the undead monstrosities of Tamriel, and perhaps something not entirely unrelated to that...

>>53897800
>"Scroll of X" concept
Neat. Guess I'll have to take a look at those beasts.

Glad you guys are still with us, still delivering that sweet UESRPG stuff.

>>53897800
How does it feel to be project lead?

Also, I see you're using some art from Legends. I'm guessing all that card art is making it easier to find the right illustrations for the IoT.

>>53897800
Spicy content.

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>>53897893
Well, we couldn't leave you hanging forever, could we now?

>>53898104
Busy...
In all seriousness, it's hard work, but seeing a project on this scale coming to fruition makes me proud, for myself and the people who dedicate hours of their daily lives helping with this massive undertaking.

As for the Legends art, it certainly made it easier to find art for most things in a consistent style, which was a pain before.

>>53898247
Things are going to get more spicy in the future.

>>53898487
Good.

>On a +30 Survival test, a character can remove the spider's hide
Putting aside how fucking horrifying that sounds, I'm pretty sure spiders don't have hides.

Also, it's kind of a shame that there's stats for giants, but not mammoths.

Either way, the looting and survival crafting stuff is very cool. It would be especially useful for something like that prison break idea mentioned above.
I guarantee that every time players are allowed to skin or harvest organs from bodies, there's only a matter of time until someone asks what the rules are for flaying a sentient being. I just finished a GURPS campaign were a few characters had a bit of a thing for collecting pieces of dead people.

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>>53898904
>I'm pretty sure spiders don't have hides.

/r/ing that creepy webm of the spider freaking the shit out and crawling out of it's own body

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>>53898904
>Spider Hide
Yeah, supposed to be exoskeleton, will get that fixed in a future update.

As for skinning sentient beings, both the Lamia and Harpy are "technically" sentient, the former more so than the latter. That enough for your players?

>>53899019
It's called molting.

>>53899031
More than enough.

It's not like I'm encouraging people to go out and skin Khajiits even though that's actually a thing in the lore, it's just been on my mind lately. Such is life when you have a head hunting barbarian, a bone hoarding necromancer and a organ harvesting surgeon.

>>53899504
Didn't know that was more than a meme. Source?

>>53899563
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Confessions_Of_A_Khajiit_Fur_Trader

>>53898487
>In all seriousness, it's hard work, but seeing a project on this scale coming to fruition makes me proud, for myself and the people who dedicate hours of their daily lives helping with this massive undertaking.

Likely gives one an appreciate for Seht's talents. What's he up to these days?

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>>53899892

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>>53899892
>humans most often want the tails and ears

Ew.

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>>53901481
Why did I need this post to realize this?

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>>53901639
To be stupidly serious, there was no hints of it. We don't even have any examples of humans liking Khajiit in that way, so where would they get the idea for catgirls? I don't recall any Khajiit-skin usage in Morrowind, where you think their status as slaves would make that more common. Even in Skyrim enemies say 'you'll make a fine rug, cat!' so most people would assume they'd focus on the skin as a whole.

I'd rather think of it as a joke on the part of the lore-writers, but if you want to imagine your cute Breton witch waifu getting embarrassed about getting requested to wear cat ears, you do have a basis for it.

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>>53901941
On that note, aren't Ohmes-raht kinda canon catgirls/boys, If you'll excuse the cancer?

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Man, and I thought Arena was scary.
Nothing prepared me for the spooky ambiance in the first Daggerfall dungeon, and it definitely caught me off-guard when RRRRAAAAUUUUUUGH

>>53899019
https://m.imgur.com/t/nope/DZeH2tq

>>53883337
No, no, I meant 5e as in DnD 5e.

The campaign is set up in the Third era and focuses mainly on Sotha Sil and the Clockwork City, because until the DLC for ESO hits, it's an open playing field of Headcanon.
Not that any of my players know anything about the Clockwork City. Right now, they think they're on a normal adventure campaign and that will stay that way until the plot is revealed.
I'm hoping for a "Oh, fuck. So this NPC didn't just mean this when he said that. He also meant that!" moment.

I'd never meddle with C0da bullshit

>>53902709
Still gives me a heart attack, anon.

Wait until your next dungeon. Somehow a bunch of pixelated spiders are a lot scarier than the ones in Skyrim, and the later dungeons I've seen are huuuuuge.

>>53899938
When he's not teaching or doing prepwork for his classes, enjoying that he has something that even remotely resembles free time to pursue his other hobbies.

He's still a part of the project, and involved in various tasks from time to another, currently passing on his InDesign knowledge.

>>53902709
Daggerfall is the spookiest TES game. It really demonstrates the importance of sound in creating proper spooky scary skeletons.
VENGANCE

>>53904758
>free time to pursue his other hobbies
I'd say he's earned it.

>passing on his InDesign knowledge
That sounds nice. UESRPG has always been very nice looking.

>>53902569
>fucking cat mandrills

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Forgive me for my sins, for I wish this threat to live on to its limit if possible. If none agrees, none shall post.

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I miss better representation of Daedra worshipping cultures. Morrowind delivered on that, but it's something I generally miss in the series.

It's clear that Daedra worship is rather widespread in Tamriel. Cults and covens dot the land, and several cultures have Daedra incorporated into their pantheons. It's clear that even though the Daedra are amoral, otherworldly entities, a lot of people still find good reason to worship them.

Which makes it such a shame that the games very often, and especially in the case of the newer titles, go a long way in pushing a good/evil dichotomy between Aedra and Daedra. The games simplify everything when it comes to execution and implementation, but it sets a president that is worrying.

It's such a shame that for certain Princes, it's almost hard to pinpoint why someone would even worship them. Luckily a lot of the textual sources, and some quests, provide us with sufficient insight into some Princes, but it's a topic that would be nice to see given more depth.

Sure, there's a cult that worships Vaermina and does sleep-related stuff, but it would be nice if we were given more insight into what they really believe, and why they worship her.

>>53902709

I sampled a bunch of skeleton noises together and then set it as ringtone for my boss.

>>53910564
Anon, it may be that I don't know the lore as well as you, but as far as I can tell accepted daedra worship is the exception rather than the rule. The Dunmer have it, the Khajiit have it (alongside Aedra), and the Aylieds had it to some degree, but otherwise most cultures do not incorporate daedra into their pantheons - it's either Aedra, ancestor deities, or the Hist.

That aside, do I wish daedra worship even in lands where it's not widespread or is taboo was better handled? Yeah, I don't like the good/evil dichotomy much either - it's a good rule of thumb, but shades of grey are always nice. Skyrim didn't even have that many cults or cultists involved, so it became even more just a personal choice of the player, and usually one that was neutral or outright evil.

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>>53902709
>>53904261
>>53910581
>tfw people always go on about the skeleton roar
>not the real champion of Daggerfall's audio

I loved skyrim when I first played it, it was awesome I could kill every thing, I could do anything. fuck I even went to nearly 4 or 5 different times/demensions.
then I played oblivion
the story dragged me in and threw me around like a tennis ball it was fantastic.
then I went back further.
why is it the further back you go, the better the writing is? the stories are superior. the characters are memorable the only thing wrong is the tech. why?
it confuses me can anyone explain why this happens. it should be it improves every game, not deminishes

>>53910775
>Skyrim didn't even have that many cults or cultists involved

They probably felt like they did enough cults in Oblivion.

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>>53908487
>FUCKING cat mandrills

>>53910850
So it's safe to assume that with the train reference in the E3 conference you'll have a mod on release for that creation club?
Any details?

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>>53911116
I'm in Creation Club. Can't give details beyond that though.

>>53911172
Does that make your stuff canon? Do you know lore secrets now?

>>53910845
The short answer is that the story became less important, as Bethesda became more concerned with creating a fun sandbox than a fun RPG experience. Could argue it's not as much a change in quality as direction.

>>53910850
I get your point, especially since the Oblivion cults could get a bit generic, but hear me out: Skyrim had some admirable creativity to their daedric quests, but it also annoyed me how you could just stumble onto them by accident. You could start Dagon's quest by finding a dagger piece, Meridia's quest by finding her stone-thing, or Vile's and Bal's just by taking on a seemingly harmless quest to fetch a dog or check a house. Dawnstar you get involved just by visiting Dawnstar and talking to people.

And the most annoying part of that is that I actually really liked Namira's cult in Skyrim, since it was actually made up of people from Markarth and took advantage of the mechanics that would replace dead characters, like the merchant lady. It was a cult that actually felt like a cult, not a gaggle of people gathered around a statue. And they only did that once - only other Daedric prince I know of with a cult off the top of my head in Skyrim is Peryite, and we know how that goes. They could have done much better cults than Oblivion, but they barely took advantage of it.

>>53911395
>Meridia's quest by finding her stone-thing

A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON

>>53911382
Yeah. To both things.

>>53911395
I'd have to argue otherwise that the daedric cults in Skyrim worked pretty well. I think you're confusing cults for daedric presence, and for cults there simply weren't that many of them (justified though). One of the towns is presumably a secret daedric cult (Rorikstead I think?), but there's only three real daedric cults otherwise: Namira's cult, which was handled well, the Mythic Dawn remnant, who is a single guy that is crazy, and then Boethiah's cult, who I think were handled well enough.
We do have other worshippers here and there (Aranea at the Azura shrine, Sheogorath's quest starts because one of the Isle residents comes looking for him). What little cult presence was in I think was handled okay. I think that also shows there's not a lot of cult presence in Skyrim. Boethiah is justified as being close to the Morrowind border and that's about it.

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>>53910775
The Dunmer worship Deadra, the Khajiit have them in their pantheon, the Orsimer worship Malacath alone, the Ayleids worshipped Meridia, and the Reachmen revere them. Breton and Redguard covens, found all around the Illiac Bay, also deal with them. I'd imagine the same to be true with the many cults found across Tamriel.
Some of the first words in the 1st Ed Pocket Guide are "The 8 Invocations and 16 acceptable Blasphemes", the latter of course referring to the deviant but tolerated Daedra worshippers.
I'm not trying to say Daedra worship is the norm, but it's far from rare or unheard of.

>>53911172
>Paid Mods™, brought to you by Trainwiz and Bethesda™
Oh boy, I can't wait to buy such classics as "Horse Armour", "Realistic Horse Genitals", and "Sotha Sil's Train Adventure".

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>>53911588
>Sotha Sil's Train Adventure

Heck yeah man, 10 part main quest and you get a new town that's a giant train on wheels.
Actually
Hm...

>>53911917
If Sotha Sil is actively building his city in ESO, why are some parts of it wrecked (like those towers)?

>>53912873
It's growing.

>>53911395
>The short answer is that the story became less important, as Bethesda became more concerned with creating a fun sandbox than a fun RPG experience.

This sounds like bullshit. If they wanted a fun sandbox then why do the guilds all have narrative driven questlines? Bethesda just realizes most of the narratives in Skyrim were shit, so they are just playing it off like they were pretending to be retarded.

>>53913587
Also the way the game practically shoves you towards the main quest in skyrim. Morrowind felt more open in that regard.
In skyrim everything seems urgend, the world depends on it.
In MW the start is much more slow going, allowing to sandbox "better".
Imo.

>>53913787
>In skyrim everything seems urgend, the world depends on it
Well yeah the world's ending dude

>>53913787
You are forced into guild questlines too. You cant even walk around Riften without starting the thieves guild questline, as opposed to actually having to seek them out in Oblivion. And you have to start the College of Winterhold to progress in the main quest.

If beth was trying to make a sandbox with Skyrim, they did a fucking terrible job.

>>53912873
>>53913066
I thought it was because an accident caused it to spill out into the foundations of Divayth Fyr's tower foundation and so he and a group of meatshields(players) go in to plug the hole

>>53914132
Yeah but the rest of the actual city has that too. And for that matter it has exterior portions with metal trees and rivers and stuff, but why?

>>53914153
The Clockwork City's job and ability is that it can scan anything in the world and remake it in machine form.

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>>53856591

Yes because I've seen everything Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim has to offer, and my machine crashes Daggerfall by driving it too damn fast.

As a free to player, it's just fine. Lore inconsistencies were more or less marked out in DLC, as it feels like they got actual writers for those portions.

Likewise, I like a lot of the new characters a hell of a lot more than the ones I run into in Skyrim.

Main quest is kind of railroaded but the game has expanded so much by this point that it's not really mandatory to play endgame

>mfw I can't save my bro King Kurog from his mother

>>53914132
>accident
Right, and Divayth Fyr just fucked all those teenage Telvanni witches on accident.

>>53914298
Oh no that was on purpose. But this was an accident because this was the rest of Telvanni fucking up, and he just found out their mistake when workers he sent in to clean his new home got murdered by robot guar

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>>53913587
I can only guess, but the best answer I can think of is that Bethesda is reluctant to completely move away from RPG elements, Maybe they aren't quite sure what to do instead, maybe they feel there'd be a fan backlash. But it's pretty obvious they put less effort into the narrative elements, especially compared to Morrowind, or in the case of Fallout, to Fallout 1, 2, or even NV - but they are putting some effort into making exploration and dungeon crawling feel rewarding, and to make it feel like you always have something you could do.

>>53913787
But in Skyrim you can take on just about anything from the beginning - in Morrowind you almost have to take the time to gain experience and get involved in the world before you can do the main quest. Skyrim has a false urgency to their main quest, but they make it abundantly clear that you never have to follow it if you don't want to and can go any which way you want, and can start anything at any time, and don't even really need the proper skills or knowledge to do most things.

>>53914170
This might be an odd thing to ask out of the blue, but in my latest skyrim game the fabricant Millisecond guy appeared in the sleeping giant Inn for the beginning of wheels of lull but he's acting as if I had already gone through the mines and he's not starting the quest. How would I go about fixing this

>>53914811
As a longtime fan of the series I would have much rather Skyrim went full sandbox if that is what Bethesda was trying to do. Its bland low effort narratives killed the game for me.

>>53915121
Travel to Fort Neugrad. At the lake there, there's a light you can activate to start the quest.

Is the Altmer magicka weakness ever addressed in universe?

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>>53917328
I still wanna know where the fuck soul gems come from. Is it mined or does it all come from Oblivion?

Just another mystery that will only be solved when the writers give a damn to.

Bethesda really should consider hiring outside authors to write a few books for the franchise that expand the lore and fill the holes they can't be arsed to fill.

pic unrelated. I just think the Order Hour Armor looks real good. Like this should have been Imperial Armor instead of that stupid 4th-Era-designs-in-the-2nd-Era bullshit that it is.

>>53914028
You can just walk away from the guy. That's what I always do; just exit out of the talking menu.

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>>53851792
How curious that this thread, above all others, would be cursed with undeath

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>>53910788
>Implying these weren't the scariest fuckers around.

>>53918425
This curse has stricken us for THREADS now, Anonymous. I believe Mannimarco may yet live.

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Ok few questions I want to ask, all basically about establishing the possibility of argonian pirates.

First, argonians have no problem switching between fresh and salt water, right? So at sea and up rivers or lakes, if you want to do anything underwater it's handy to have an argonian around, right? Saves you money on underwater breathing magic. For pirates especially, if you have a few argonians you can loot a boat even after you've sunk it.

Second, I imagine bosmer and khajiit are the top two of tree climbing, but argonians would be pretty good at it as well, right? They have claws too, if not as good as khajiit do, and they could even have gripping pad hands as part of their bag of lizardlike qualities? If they have scales instead of skin they probably need something just to bump their hands up to the same gripping ability as the other races, anyway. Given that the Hist made them to be their servants, and the Hist are trees, they'd want argonians to be able to climb around on them, right? So, what I'm getting at is, on sailing ships, argonians would probably be pretty good at climbing up out of the water onto the deck and scrambling up the masts and so on. Their tails are probably long and muscular enough to even wrap around things up there and hold on better.

And finally, it'd make sense, like, economically? Culturally? I mean, there's a long history of argonian slavery. Escaped or rebellious slaves would produce a lot of potential pirates, either forming their own bands of ocean raiders or joining existing crews, as they did IRL.

Does that all check out? I was thinking of trying to run a game set down around the southeastern shores of tamriel, and a bunch of lizard pirates would be cool. Though if all that applies I'd guess the imperial navy'd recruit a lot of argonians as well? There's possibilities, anyway.

>>53919391
>A very successful enterprise of bandits and thieves had long been exploiting the swamplands of southeastern Tamriel, a convenient location to the riches of the Empire, where one could disappear without recourse. The coastline along the east of Topal Bay had become notorious for acts of piracy, and in 1E 1033, the Empress Hestra demanded the head of the most infamous of the brigadiers, "Red" Bramman.

>After many an unsuccessful battle in the Bay, the Imperial Navy discovered the pirate-king's means of escaping capture: a narrow, winding river which emptied into the Bay near Soulrest, its mouth screen by dense thickets of mangroves. The Imperial Fleet followed the course deeper into the heart of Black Marsh than any non-Argonian had ever been before. They eventually caught Bramman in his bandit kingdom not far from what is now called Blackrose, and took his head for the Empress. More importantly, they provided the first reliable accounts of the true culture of Black Marsh.

>The Argonians in the interior swamps of Black Marsh were skittish, and little wonder, as the contact they had with men from the outside was from the like of Bramman and other brigands. Imperial civilization was, to them, rape, pillage, and slavery. As the Cyrodiils pushed deeper into their land, trying to settle it along the pirate routes, they encountered stronger and more violent resistance with each incursion. Once the pirate menace was dealt with, the First Empire was generally content to leave Black Marsh to its native inhabitants.

People talk an awful lot about how Talos came to be but what about what he represents, as a Divine? Can he contact his worshippers in limited ways? What Tenants might close followers of Talos uphold?

>>53919553
He gave you a lucky coin in Morrowind.
Struck me as the kind of guy who just winged it and got lucky.

>>53919475
I kinda like how the Imperial and Argonian relations weren't just 'ooga booga taking our native land' or 'let's just massacre the savages wot wot.' It's Argonians thinking non-Argonians are shithead pirates and defending themselves, and the Imperials ended up leaving because fuck Black Marsh.

>>53919553
As far as I understand, he represents the Empire, and perhaps a general human spirit - I think he's supposed to have mantled Shezzar or something anyway.

>>53919475

That doesn't really answer the question of whether argonian pirates are a thing, except in that specific place and time period. The native argonians who are still mostly doing their own thing would have no reasons to leave their homes (attacking intruders on the water doesn't really count as piracy), and pirates generally didn't operate too close to their original homes anyway. Actual argonian pirates would probably be mostly "foreign" argonians who've adopted sailing/war methods and technology from men and mer. Black Marsh argonians wouldn't be familiar with deep water vessels. Their areas of activity would be around the border coasts and the imperial coastal settlements, such as there were.

>>53919553
"Talos says: Be strong for war. Be bold against enemies and evil, and defend the people of Tamriel."
―Ten Commands: Nine Divines

>>53919553
>>53920049
He is Shor reborn, with so many of the towers fallen his very existence is keeping reality together, hence why the Thalmor want to outlaw his worship.

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>>53919621
Speaking of Wulf, isnt there also a theory that the Prophet from Kotn is an aspect of Talos? I may be confusing him with someone else.

>>53862975
Man what

>>53921171
Read the books you fucking JEW

>>53917653
Most people attribute soul gems to Molag Bal, but that still begs the question of where the naturally occurring soul gems come from, unless they were placed there long ago.

>>53921633
Isn't there a Soul Cairn of some sort? I know that Mannimarco was involved in the creation of black soul gems (and there's that ritual in Oblivion), so they obviously existed before him, and I believe Arkay was (at least in myth) said to separate souls enough for white soul gems as a response - so they must have existed before even that, and were common enough for mages to be making widespread use of them. I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually magically created - perhaps an aspect of Mysticism?

Then again, I can't remember where I read any of that, so take it with a grain of salt.

What's the difference between white souls and black souls, anyway?

>>53921828
You only get black souls from Redguards.

>>53921828
Different bathrooms.

>>53921739
True, but the Soul Cairn (which is filled with really stupid ghosts) is a plane that hasn't existed for that long, whereas soul gems have been there for a fucklong time. Heck they might be made by Molag Bal but predate Convention.

>>53922166
You really don't like the Ideal Masters very much

>>53922216
Everything about that realm is filled with the dumbest, whiniest people. The ghosts can't be killed and they aren't really harassed by the undead, on top of the Ideal Masters generally just watch them but don't do much, and they establish they don't feel pain, hunger, or cold, and that they're able and allowed to cultivate and build things. I want there to be a town out in the Soul Cairn, or even a bigass city of souls that have just decided that with all the time and resources in the world to just go ahead and do things. Like Jiub.

>>53921828
To get you a half-serious answer at least, if not the best one - white souls are the souls of animals and other 'simpler' creatures, whereas black souls are 'larger' and usually belong to creatures and people with a complex consciousness.

>>53922333
Apparently Falmer have white souls or something, right? Even though they have societies and build tools, homes, armor, and all that. And goblins and others like that, as well. I don't really get what makes them different enough from the black soul races that merits them having white souls instead.

>>53919553
>>53919553
Talos is the 'Hero-God of Mankind,' sort of the pinnacle of Man if you will. Not only is he a figure to represent the greatest potential of a man, but also man's own connection and pathway to divinity. Historically there have been many hero cults dedicated to great men (especially amongst the Nords) but Talos is THE hero, as fullfilled as a hero can possibly be, in fact he is the patron god of questing heroes themselves, literally the hero of heroes. He has achieved anything anyone else has done, and more, hence why the Nords love him so much.
As is already implicit he is the champion of all mankind. A representation of every undertaking humanity has ever taken. In this he is a revival, of man's original protector gods (Shor, Shezarr) who died in mythic times.
Not only this but he is also often seen as the spiritual likeness of the Empire itself, it's soul. As said before Talos is the connection between man and divinity. Whereas Akatosh is the Patron god of the Empire, Talos, the Dragonborn, is the stand in between the earthly Empire and the divine Akatosh, or in other words, the covenant. Many Nords even claim that it was Talos, not Akatosh, who banished Dagon during the Oblivion Crisis.

With all this said, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that his worship is far more personal and charismatic than that of the other Eight Divines. He is most forthright recognized as a benevolent 'God of War and Governance,' ensuring the the continued stability of civil and just society within Tamriel.

>>53922682
Don't lynch me, but I honestly love how HFY a decent bit of the lore is.
https://daedrictales.bandcamp.com/track/son-of-storms

>>53922772
>how HFY a decent bit of the lore is.
Gross.

>>53922772
I hope for like-minds, but it still stings the same every time.

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I love you n'wahs.
Just as a side note.
Happy Summer.

>>53921171
Also Anon, you're not a Jew.

>>53922606
I think I read the Dwemer turning the Falmer into simpler creatures was an experiment for getting them closer to the earth bones or a sort of ascension?

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>>53922606
What makes intelligent enough creatures like dremora subject to white souldom? I don't know. Even this good screencap doesn't quite provide the answers wanted.

>>53922772
>HFY
Trash.

>>53920361
>Black Marsh argonians wouldn't be familiar with deep water vessels
They definitely are, just read The Infernal City.

>“Ix said they outpaced it for three days and it never changed course before they finally got the wind they needed to really leave it behind. It was headed straight here, he said, and will arrive sometime early tomorrow at the pace it’s coming.”
>“So what did he figure it was?”
>“A big chunk of rock, shaped like a top. They could see buildings on the rim. The ship’s wind-caller didn’t like it. Quit the minute they got into port and left town, fast, on a horse.”

>“Said he felt something out in the deep water, a movement of some kind. So, yes, he’s crazy and the An-Xileel are irritated by him, especially Archwarden Qajalil, so he was dismissed. But then there were the reports from the sea, and the Organism sent out some exploratory ships.”

>“My cousin’s ship put to sea from Anvil three weeks ago,” Mere-Glim said.

>>53925953
>>53920361
>>53919475

Wasn't there some hint at some point that there are some really crazy argonian variants the Hist had made, like their own equivalents of giants and werecrocodiles and other monster people?

I'm imagining a pirate ship with a hidden moon pool where some sea serpent argonians slip out to attack other ships from underneath.

>>53923467
Because Arkay says so?

>>53923467
I think sentience? The Falmer are capable of building tools yes, but they only ever 'just survive'. I think sentience, in the sense of Black Souls, means they don't just survive. They create. The falmer never build cities, just squat in encampments in Dwemer ruins while Black Soulgem races continue to build forts, buildings, and entire cities. They constantly add more, leaving a physical mark on Tamriel.

>>53929430
>>53923467

Well, men and mer are descended from Ehlnofey, who are in turn descended from Aedra, right? Perhaps black souls are souls that have aedric heritage, and still have some sort of dormant connection to aetherius, whereas white souls come from somewhere else, just arising naturally from the world or something? That would explain why black souls provide more power.

I think it's unclear with the Falmer whether the original snow elves' souls degenerated while they were alive, or if it was a generational thing where their children stopped being born with black souls.

>>53929807
I think that it was degeneration. The point of Nirn was to challenge and overcome the trials of mortal life and ascend to something greater. I theorize that the spark mortals possess is what drives them to go futher and in turn the actions of mortals who seek to overcome reinvigorate the spark that drives them.

When the Falmer stopped, they lost the spark as well. Echos of their sentience may still exist(taking slaves, building tools, and cultivating chitin), but it's only ever just enough to get by.

>>53929807
>who are in turn descended from Aedra

Well Ehlnofey are et'ada, not really aedra. But everything descends from the et'ada

>>53930288
The Ehlnofey are definitely Aedric. They died and became the Earthbones.
You know how mortals descended from the Ehlnofey. Well 'Aedra' literally means 'our ancestors.'

>>53930564
But plenty of et'Ada fled with Magnus. Would that make them Daedra? Does that make Magnus Daedra?

>>53930673
It makes them Magna Ge.

>>53930748
What are Manga Ge, compared to Magna Ge

>>53931095

manga ge involves more big bara chubbymuscle dudes than western ge

>>53931095
Who cares, they're both ge.

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My TES campaign just had a sudden TPKO.
RIP

>>53932930
How did you do it?

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>>53933012
I didn't, players self destructed. TPKO a few sessions before the finale, due to a misunderstanding.

>>53933043
Explain this

Also, post more TES images, please

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>>53933043
I'm going to need some details here.

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>>53933083
Those were some portraits I made for my players.

I made a storytime thread >>53932523

I didn't write down most of the details though, just wanted to get the point across.

The plot involved the Knahaten flu, in my game it was created by an Argonian necromancer, who was inspired by the Thrassian plague created by the Sloads.
The Argonian necromancer (Lukiul) grew old, his magic couldn't keep him alive for much longer. He manipulated the Hist trees to create fake egg brothers, clones of himself, with pieces of his own soul. He wanted a younger body to host his soul.
I don't know how lore friendly this is, I just thought it was cool.

Whenever a clone died, that piece of Lukiul's soul would be taken by a hist tree, and the Argonian player could lick it to gain that soul, and some of it's memories.

Eventually the party was separated, I had a session where the Argonian player voiced one of the clones to trick the party into thinking there was going to be a reunion. When the reunion actually happened, they killed each other.

>>53933317
I wouldn't say that it's that lore-friendly, but inventing new shit to make it interesting is the basis of everything DnD in my opinion.

How many sessions did you guys have?

>>53933371
Can't even remember, been going for over a year.

I'm just disappointed I couldn't get to do anything with Dwemer technology, or some of the more creative aspects of TES.

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>>53933317
>I don't know how lore friendly this is, I just thought it was cool.
Seeing how Argonian souls works it's not too much of a stretch. Works just fine if you ask me.
If anything I take objection to calling him "Lukiul".

I hope you all had fun before it all came crashing down.

>>53933496
Thanks senpai.
I forgot how I came up with it even, I searched for words in Jel and what they meant. I think Lukiul meant assimilated or something.

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>>53933557
Yeah, it means "assimilated", but going by The Infernal City it's a derogatory term used by the An-Xileel against "Imperialized" Argonians. So it's odd that someone would call themselves that.

But it doesn't really matter, no one should care about this level of linguistic autism when you can just have fun instead.

>>53933614
I wish I had a buff lore friend to help me with this stuff during the game.
I don't think I'll be GMing another TES game anytime soon though, more time to learn more myself.

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I should go get more Argonian art. I have like 10 pictures and some of them are kind of shitty.

>>53933680
A lot of us like answering questions, or point people in the right direction to learn stuff, so you just have to ask.

Oh, and good luck with whatever new campaign you intend to cook up.

Ok so Hist sap is a hallucinogen for non-argonians, and argonians have some hist sap in their bodies, so can you lick argonians to get high?

>>53934180
Only one way to find out.

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>>53934283
I volunteer.

>>53934388
Of course *you* would, you've always been a weirdo.

Why argonians have boobs

>>53934492
If you created your own humanoid slave race, would you NOT give them boobs?

>>53934578
That was removed quickly

>>53934492

My favourite theory is that they produce a limited quantity of hist sap, or a close enough substitute, to tide the infant over until they can be brought to a real hist tree.

Given the argonians' facial anatomy, their infants probably don't suckle. But the babies could press or squeeze on there to get it out and lick it up. There are similar enough arrangements in some RL animals. For convenience there would probably be some particular point where it's easy for the baby to get it without having to move their head around. May or may not resemble what we're familiar with as mammals exactly.

Then once you have basic functionality you add on the size and shape for the same reasons men and mer have them that way.

>>53934492
It's actually explained.

They have to nurture their children outside of Argonia, so they have boobs. In Black Marsh, they do not get boobs when growing up there.

It's a genetical modification by the Hist according to the lifestyle of that specific Argonian.

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>>53934492
Probably makes them look more like other races they're supposed to be associating with. Could be the Hist were still working off of a humanoid template from the last kalpa.

>>53934857

The idea that it's some Hist PR thing makes a decent enough amount of sense. Men and mer are likely to treat things that look like themselves better than something that they'll confuse for an animal, and similar sexual dimorphism would be part of that. If you assume the Hist can't make argonians just look fully like men/mer, the way argonians are depicted in most of the games fits, since pushing their faces further towards humanlike would probably put them in an uncanny valley sort of territory. It also sort of explains why all the really weird argonian variants that get hinted at in lore tidbits are only found deep inside black marsh.

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>>53935136
That's why I support the idea myself - if the Hist are basically working to get bits of information, why wouldn't they want a race that could fit in well with the outside world? The point you make about uncanny valley stuff is an interesting one - I just figured it was because they were twisting Black Marsh lizards to look more human or something.

The only problem is really that it doesn't explain why the Argonians were so isolationist for much of their history if that was the case. And it still doesn't explain why we don't see Khajiit variations, since the main Khajiit we see wasn't 'created to fit in.'

>>53935380
>why we don't see Khajiit variations
Developers cutting corners, like always.

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I have a lore question thats been bugging me. If most souls go to the dreamsleeve to be recycled, but some of them are taken by the Deadra, Shor, ect, are there new souls being created somehow to replace those that aren't recycled? Is there the potential for a future apocalyptic scenario where most of the souls in existence are in various realms and only a few are left on Mundus?

>>53935380

Well, in the khajiit case, it's possibly their own choice. I mean, if you're an intelligent housecat or huge fuckoff tiger or something, where are you going to choose to travel and live? Elsweyr, where everyone knows what you are and there's probably furniture and so on in your size, or are you going to travel elsewhere and get treated like an animal and have people make you sleep in a stable or scream at you or something? The humanoid khajiit are the ones who travel elsewhere because everywhere else is set up for humanoids and they'll be able to get clothes and interact better with everyone else. And khajiit parents outside Elsweyr probably plan when they'll conceive for the right phases of the moon, there are probably easy enough herbal/alchemical/magical birth control methods around.

Like, in Skyrim, all the khajiit aside from the player were members of merchant caravans. Why would a non-humanoid khajiit join one of those? Sounds like a hassle to me.

Don't know where those khajiit who are basically bosmer have been, though.

>>53935586

New souls have to come from somewhere anyway, or else you could never have any population growth from the original supply, and I'm pretty sure tamriel has become more populated in the various peaceful/civilized eras than it was during the crazy primordial fuckwhatever period when it was first formed.

Maybe your soul gets pulled out of aetherius when you're born, and that's why the constellations decide what intrinsic powers you get.

Speaking of, does anyone wish there was more in-universe acknowledgement of the birthsign thing? Like, people being treated differently or favored for certain jobs based on what their sign is?

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>>53935586
I don't think there's any real reason to view the cycle of souls as beholden to any mathematical rules.

While it's true that souls generally go to the Dreamsleeve to be "bleached", there's not any reason that I'm aware of that the souls that come out again are the same ones, or that the output has to be in any mathematical relationship with the input.

Basically, you're viewing this as follows:
>1000 people die. 999 souls go to the Dreamsleeve, 1 goes to some other place. 999 souls are recycled and sent back out.

But it might just as well be:
>Any given number of people die. The majority go to the Dreamsleeve, a few do not. The souls are bleached and become featureless "soulstuff". Any given amount of souls come back out.

Or that's about the gist of it, anyway. The real point is that we can't really assume any kind of persistent nature that makes the souls that go in in any way the same souls that come back out. We know that souls go in full of imprinted features, that those eventually dissolve, and that featureless souls come out. Thinking that they're the same souls is possible, but not a necessity.

Consider also that the Princes, and entities like them, are generally only concerned with a small subset of souls (cultists or people of note), within another subset (mortals from certain races). But the amount of souls that are present in "trivial" morals and animals absolutely dwarfs the rather small amount of souls the Princes give a shit about.

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>>53935438
Ah, but that could be equally true of why we see only one kind of Argonian, assuming that other kinds exist. Then our explanations are basically headcanon for explaining developer limitations, and at that point we might as well just give up because it's no longer a question of how the setting works, but how the game works, you know?

>>53935665
Not a bad explanation, but what about Khajiit that have grown settled in other communities, such as in Resadyn or Cyrodiil?

And I think there are other mostly-humanoid types of Khajiit.

>>53851792
Would someone kindly explain why Dagoth Ur's minions are all fucked up and why they eventually turn into walking bag pipes?

>>53938094
>and why they eventually turn into walking bag pipes?
You implying you wouldn't want to?

>>53938094
Well the disfigurement in general is from corprus, the face exploding is enlightenment blowing out of their head, but I'm not sure about the tentacles.

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>>53938094
>>53938291
Tonal-magic clarinets

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>>53938094
>begin as dreamer, dagoth visits you in your sleep and allows you a glimpse into his dream
>the dreams take hold of you and begins to corrupt and consume you, it draws you closer to dagoth, where you feel his presence even while awake. He beckons you to consume corprus flesh so you may join him.
>drawn closer and closer you become a complete slave to his dream, they become your reality and you live through him, your body left a husk
>further you are consumed by his dream until your mind can no longer take it and bursts from enlightenment. The flesh, imbued with the power of the Heart, takes on a mutable magickal form, unstable, though guided and bound to the will of Dagoth so as to grow along the path he desires.
>Dagoth's control becomes complete as the seeds of his vision sprout from the concavity that once was your head. You are no longer an individual but rather one of Dagoth's many reach appendages.
>the seeds continue to sprout and develop into a garden, utterly consuming the body. Dagoth's dream is all there is now, you have been reborn as its fully realized disciple, the instrument whose sole purpose is to sing it praise. There is nothing else now for you to know but the dream and its truth, it has become you.

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Gonna be running a quest about a vampire who got turned very similarly to the first vampire

That being death and rape

What would be interesting things to have in it? Might be based in 2E

Was thinking about the overall plot being to either stop a sect of vampires from eery bloodline who think bringing Molag back is a good idea. Mainly the lesser vampires of the clans, i.e vampires far from the first couple of generations and who obtained power by scrounging through the ages and were looked down on by the older and stronger vamps or something. Set sometime in the early third era or during the interregnum as to potential dates

Or should I just kill myself

>>53938094
It's a blessing.

300th for let this thread fucking die already

Also praise Azura

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>>53940394
301st for 'I want off this ride before it gets through Thursday.'

Sometimes the weekend general restriction seems too much when we spill over so regularly, but at the same time I can't really see this thread getting enough attention for a full week every week. I don't know why they've been going on so long lately. Is Sheogorath frustrating our attempts at order? Is Peryite too busy to maintain such order?

Why is there such variation with Breton names?

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I'm going to post some concept art totally not to just get us over the bump limit

>>53941576
Can't decide to go full !French or not

in the game I suppose you could say they have lots of Aldmeri-style names but also lots of Nedic or even Reachman inspired ones as well, because of the complete mix of cultures that is High Rock

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>>53941655

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>>53941666

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>>53941678

>>53941576
What do you mean? We can look at all the Breton names thanks to UESP, and as far as I can tell, they are either French or Celtic, with some names that are English - Marian, Albert, etc - and were probably used for being related to medieval romance or myth, like Maid Marian, King Arthur, or Allan-a-Dale. One of the few exceptions is the oddly-named Frikzav Brutya of Morrowind, who even has an odd accent that sets him apart.

Where are you seeing 'such variation?' There's two main groups, three at best if you really look for English names (which are mostly found Online). I find about as much variation in Imperial names, and if I was more versed in etymology could probably see such variation in Redguard and Nord names as well. And all of it fits in perfectly well with the French/Celtic theme that's been developed over the years - I mean, did you think the term 'Bretons' wasn't a nod and a wink to Brittany, which somewhat parallels High Rock's history?

>>53941728
>'Bretons' wasn't a nod and a wink to Brittany
It was a bit more than a nod and a wink. An irl Breton is someone who hails from Brittany.

But yes I agree most names are generic French/English/Norman

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>>53941822

>>53941728
While we're on the subject, am I the only one who gets bothered at Redguards having "American" names. It's like you walk into a cornerclub and stands before you is the mysterious Breton sorcerer Alphonse Maddach, the dashing Imperial rogue Vatalli Auroran, and the mighty Redguard warrior Frank.

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>>53941776
I say nod and a wink because, aside from a loosely paralleled history and naming conventions, they really aren't all that much like Bretons. You could actually argue that their history is more similar to Wales with equal validity, especially with the idea that High Rock is happiest when a Breton is on the Imperial throne.

>>53941859
Wait a second, what are you-

>Wilbur
>Garry
>Dudley
>Jeanne
>Branwen

Okay, I cannot explain this, especially since this often crosses between Oblivion and Morrowind, and then Skyrim and Online have unabashedly Arabic-sounding names more often than not. Most I can possibly guess is that Redguards and Bretons have had plenty of contact over the years, and some Redguards may have adopted Breton names that sound very modern - sort of like how Louis or Albert sounds modern.

Are there any books describing how one learns how to use magic?

>>53942207
Breathing Water, off the top of my head.

>>53942687
>>53942207
Oh, and Silence, The Four Suitors of Benitah, and The Mystery of Princess Talara, Part IV.

>>53942687
>>53942708
Thanks.

>>53933317
>>53933043
>>53932930
Nice, maybe Ill draw some of my own

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Ending! Words! ALMSIVI!

>>53944296
I actually welcome it this time.

>>53944339
Agreed. See you tomorrow! :^)

>>53944362
HEY
WAIT
I'VE GOT A NEW COMPLAINT