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don't forget

>Mk3 Knife Ears Command

http://www108.zippyshare.com/v/9gF1X7iU/file.html

>>53844568
I want Kaelyssa to suck my focus pool dry

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>>53844680
not gunning for that premium Issyria booty

>>53844568
Helping brighten my shit day here anon. Them elf curves.

Annual new faction release OP.

>>53846200
Since when?

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>>53846200
I'm excited about the possibility of Morrowan and Thamarite factions.

>>53846427
Since this.
http://privateerpress.com/press-releases/privateer-press-to-reinvent-no-quarter-as-no-quarter-prime

Relevant part: "Once the Skorne Command book releases in September, Privateer Press will no longer publish supplemental books for WARMACHINE & HORDES, with the exception of a Force book each year corresponding to the annual release of a new Faction for the games. Instead, all content committed to print for WARMACHINE & HORDES will be found within the pages of No Quarter Prime."

I've been playing Ret for a while and I'm thinking of picking up some convergence. Is CoC any good and also do you have any tips for playing it?

>>53848166
CoC is strong. Especially in theme. Destruction Initiative is up there with the best theme forces out there. Basically any caster works fine except for Aurora.

What if corrosion and fire based damage sources removed models from play just as a rule on the grounds that they wouldn't mean much of a body?

>>53846200
>>53846478
>>53846629
I wonder if they mean subfactions for everyone, they seem to be setting up conflicts in every faction, (Cygnar's new rule, Menoth civil war, Goreshade returning and Vyros, even Legion with Rhyas and her Sister splitting from the main faction)

>>53849359
>Zaadesh wanting to split Skorne back up into warring houses
God you're right D:

>>53844568
Thanks for book and boner.

>>53849359
>>53849573

I think that was evident back in MK2 that the majority of factions were having issues internally.

For Trolls, Madrak and Doomshaper were having issues with one another over how they were to achieve a place in the world for their people going foward.

For Cygnar it was the divide between the current rule and the adherents of the previous rule.

For Cryx, it was Terminus and Asphixious in conflict.

For Khador, I think they implied Empress Vanar felt threatened by Vlad's popularity in Umbrey.

For Skorne, I believe they implied Rasheth was planning to move against Makeda and has Zaadesh as someone loyal to him (nominally).

For the Circle, it was Krueger at odds with his fellow druids.

For the Protectorate, I believe Feorra was implied to be engaged in perfidy against the current Heirarch at the time.

For the Legion, it seemed that Kallus's creation had many of the Blighted Nyss questioning their role in the grand scheme of things.

>>53850085
>For the Protectorate, I believe Feorra was implied to be engaged in perfidy against the current Heirarch at the time.

Also now that Sevvy is dead it's time for Feora to make her power play.

>For the Legion, it seemed that Kallus's creation had many of the Blighted Nyss questioning their role in the grand scheme of things.

And the twins broke off from Everblight's control, too.

any copies of the new ret pdf about?

>>53849359
>Menoth civil war

Explain.

>>53850853

After Severius bit it in combat against Hexeris, I think Feora instigated conflict with his successor Kreoss, whom Severius named his successor.

>>53850743
2nd post elf scum

>>53851053
I think Severius did not name anyone as successor.
Just told Tristan to trust Kreoss and Vindictus of all people.

>>53850853
Megatron is dead so Starscream is making her play

So how does this "company of iron" stuff work?

Can I use light warjacks/ warbeasts?

>>53851926

Very well put.

>>53846200
>>53846427
>>53846629
>>53849359
This also includes such factions, like Cephalyx, and mini factions like CoC and Grymkin.

Basically business as usual

>>53852978
If you have a jack marshal or beast herder you can take lights yes

>>53846478
This, can't wait for blaize to get a couple extra dedicated troops and maybe another couple jacks to field a small spell-shielded crusading force.

>>53846478
>even the priest is wearing pauldrons

>>53850085
>>53850274
Menothbowl!
Get hype!

Also, you forgot to mention how even Rhul is having disagreements in its clan council about what to do with Khador and whether or not the Legion is even a credible threat.

>>53853367
Oh sweet, I can take Nephilim then.

>>53852978

Did the company of iron rules come out with any customisation/campaign progression stuff? Last I saw they were very set lists.

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>>53844327

Hey guys, starting my second army (going Convergence) and I need tips on what to get next for a decent 75 point list. Here's what I've got:

Iron Mother
Prime Axiom
Transfinite Emergence Projector
Cipher/Monitor/Inverter kit (not built)
Galvanizer
Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex
Reductors
Reciprocators

I'm not looking to build strictly off of what I have so I'm okay with replacing some of it, but I'd rather not start completely from scratch. Thoughts?

>>53854239
New version is coming out in October. No real details yet other than some basic army construction stuff.

20\25 point lists
Played on 30x30 table
10+ pieces of terrain
Alternating model interactions
You can customize the leader in charge of your band with cards that do different things
Uses core Warmahordes rules with some tweaks
Can't take heavies or battlegroup models (so no junior Warcasters)
Can marshal light jacks and beasts

>>53853815
Well yeah. Morrowan are fucking hardcore

>>53854316
>Can marshal light jacks and beasts
>and beasts
How does that work, there aren't beast marshals in Hordes

>>53854427
There will be in CoI. They're called beast herders I believe, wether they'll cross over into Warmahordes remains a mystery

>>53854316
Really curious to see how Khador will do in this.

>>53854604
Legion of Everblight already has Beast Mistress, which acts as a lesser warlock for beast purposes.

gimme dem sweet nephilim.

>>53854848
Man-O-War Drakhun > Lights

>>53846629
>Privateer Press will no longer publish supplemental books for WARMACHINE & HORDES, with the exception of a Force book each year corresponding to the annual release of a new Faction for the games

Does this mean no actual Theme Books in print? All of the rules are going to be digital-only or in the magazine?

Are those of us who want print rules (or don't own a smartphone) and live outside the USA just screwed? It's almost impossible to get No Quarter where I am.

>>53855729
You can aquire NQ digitally, but yes, no actual printed theme books. This is a good thing

>>53853912
>Menothbowl!
>Get hype!

I wonder who's going to throw the first punch.

>>53853912

>Rhul is having disagreements in its clan council about what to do with Khador

I thought their solution to Khador was to aid their enemies in Cygnar and the Protectorate?

Or are they having some new issues with Khador?

Either way, I know they aren't thinking about military adventurism as I doubt Rhul has the wants the pain that would ensue.

>>53856736
>implying that Rhul won't absolutely body Khador

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>>53844965
Elara's hips are both superior and canon.

Valka the Curseborn
>Northkin character solo
>Medium base
>Spd 5, Mat 8
>2x PS 12 Weapon Master
>Righteous Vengeance, Unyielding, Tough, Northkin, Countercharge, Retaliatory Strike, Relentless Charge

Few other rules, can't remember them.

>>53858402
That's... that's a lot of rules
Champion base?

>>53855776
i think you are confusing "good thing" with "bad thing"

imagine you are a new player, and want to play that cool sub faction that was released two years ago. Can you buy the book with all the fluff? NO, it was in a no quarter, and you weren't playing that month. good luck finding a back issue.

>>53857114
>when your hips are so real that their full form cannot manifest on the visual spectrum

>>53858660
or you find/buy it in digital form and you do not worry about it?

>>53858402
who else is expecting this to be a very expensive solo with nothing to aid it's defense and armor besides tough and having low armor and defense?
( and probably 5 health boxes )

>>53858730
what if you want a physical copy? I'm not playing a video game, I'm not going to drag my computer to the gaming table.

>>53858930
Printers?

>>53858660
>>53858930
Sub and new factions will have actual books, theme forces will be printed in NQ. All of that will also be in War Room. You'll have options including tracking down old issues of NQ if you really, really want a physical copy for some reason

>>53859566
>Printers
This works too

>>53858893
The Savio Acosta special.

>>53860213
Acosta is fucking bad ass anon

>>53860263
Confirmed. Thamarite army when? Or even better, United Church army.

>>53858893
8 boxes.

>>53849359

While it hasn't been announced, one of the interesting things from the Retribution command book is that the Nyss Refugees aren't resettling in their old city. They are instead wandering the wild parts of Ios, keeping to their traditions.

It sounds like they are setting up the Nyss to be a mini faction, and I hope they go full Cephalyx with them. It would be doubly hilarious if Saeryn/Rhyas make the jump to Retribution, just for the absolute mountains of salt from Legion groups.

I saw all the complaining about Goreshade4, and Goreshade4 isn't even that good.

>>53860930
>It would be doubly hilarious if Saeryn/Rhyas make the jump to Retribution, just for the absolute mountains of salt from Legion groups.

I thought about this the moment I saw how fucking saltfrenzied Cryxfags got over Ret receiving a mediocre version of one of their casters.

Speaking of which, I really hope PP does a CID for warcasters that aren't quite up to par. Just looking at 4shade is a weird experience because it seems so obvious where they've fucked up with him (i.e. his feat is hot garbage and there's literally no reason to have Backlash on his sheet. Revive is also sort of shitty in Ret).

>>53860930
>Goreshade4 isn't even that good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHxXUE1_SU

>>53861105
On spoiler day, I misread his feat as triggering at the end of enemy movement.
I was excited for a whole fifteen seconds.

>>53861106
He's not though.

If he dropped in Cryx they'd just whine about him being underpowered like they do with everything that isn't gamebreakingly OP.

>>53861128
This is what his feat should be.

Swap Backlash out for Mortality or something and bam, he's a good B tier warcaster, not overpowered but not underpowered. He can keep Revive but only if the faction is actually going to get some releases that make it useful.

>>53854316

>You can customize the leader in charge of your band with cards that do different things

That doesn't really sound like it's going to allow much customisation sadly if it's only the leader and card-based.

>>53860930
>It sounds like they are setting up the Nyss to be a mini faction

Would they be warcasters or warlocks do you think? I could see them bonding with winter beasts/elementals more easily than most warjacks.

>>53861356
I'd like to see them to swap out Backlash for something like Frost Hammer and Revive something else unless they could give him Reclaim (which would be flavorful). Basically he has one theme too many (anti-magic, ice, and calling back to Goreshade) and I think this could be trimmed down to two themes. His kit is pretty confused. Easiest fix is giving him Reclaim and swapping out Backlash for something like Frost Hammer or Icy Grip or replace Revive and Backlash with those two spells.

>>53854252
If you want to play mother you probably won't use the tep outside of adr (but it's a good thing to have two of). You should invest in assimilators, a shitload of servos, and possibly another PA.

But if you want to get the most use out of your stuff for the least $$$, buy syntherion he can fails most of your stuff.

Magnetize the heavy kit, but if your lazy inverters are used the most.

Also until new theme in August don't bother buying infantry other than servitor units.

>>53861321
The video was meant to imply that the Cryxwhining about Gore4 is simply a result of other people getting something that used to be exclusively "theirs".
It's like consolefags getting angry that some exclusive game gets ported to other consoles so more people can enjoy it.

>>53861356

Goreshade4's feat being underwhelming doesn't bother me much. Does Vyros2 have a feat really?

But if you're going to redo Goreshade4:
- Him getting Reclaim would make him having Revive make so much more goddamn sense, especially since there's not that much in Ret worth reviving. They had to invent a character unit with Grunts (even though they're named in the book) just to give him something to Revive.
- Drop Backlash for Mortality. If you're going with the whole 'life' theme, that's a fun one that would play better into hordes (fun point: makes precision strike worth more, because you can actually have a system out on beasts. Seen too many times a key beast have 3 boxes left, get healed for 1 in each, then go.)
- Drop Mage Sight for Banishing Ward. This would execute his theme of being 'anti-magic' better, and Banishing Ward isn't a bad spell if you need your jacks other places. Goreshade4 isn't a jack caster (that's Vyros' thing, really).

If you do those 3 things, I think Goreshade4's kit will at least point in the same goddamn direction, which is my pet peeve with a lot of that stuff.

Like seriously, a lot of casters in Ret are confused right now. My personal pet peeve is Kaelyssa, just because her kit could be her gun, and Phantom Hunter, and she would be about as effective as she is right now. Push her in one goddamn direction, and execute on that:

- Drop Backlash for Affliction. Backlash is never cast, just get over it PP. Give casters stuff they would actually use.
- Drop Banishing Ward for Occultation. Her feat already does this army wide, so her getting it would make more sense here.
- Drop Blur for Sure Foot. Mage Hunters are always shown as nimble in combat, so this is somewhere that could give her or a unit a defense buff, but would allow her to put on things other than just units that shoot.

I'm not saying Kaelyssa is unplayable. I'm tired of just looking at goddamn Ret casters and seeing empty space. Pick one thing and do it well!

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>tfw haven't been able to paint the last model in my battle group due to the heat
This is suffering
Post your dudes

>>53863723
Nice work though, Anon. They look great.

>>53864193
Thanks, the three battlebox lights could probably be done better, but ah well

>>53861498
It depends on how many and how powerful the cards are. But yeah, you aren't going to be able to build a custom solo from the ground up. All the models in CoI are Warmachine models

>>53865428

Yeah, my hopes was something like Mordhiem, where you get some baseline models and they develop in skill/power as it goes along.

Or even better, Infinity. Where they have rules for RPG -> TT conversion. After all, IKRPG IS entirely in-house and uses mostly the TT rules.

>>53863723
How is Madrak3 working out for you? I have to say that he is my favorite Warlock from the faction, but I unfortunately think that his Fury being tied to the Stone Aura feels really bad on the table.

>>53867184
>Transfer damage
>Bubble shrinks

>>53867184

I play Madrak 3.

Leverage Spell Piercer. Rebuke situational (Storm Cav).

His feat says take lots of infantry. Don't. Take a large battle group, leverage spell piercer and then feat some free solos in front of their shit.

>>53867184
Unfortunately I haven't gotten enough games with him to give a good opinion.
But like
>>53867972
Says, I think his feat is a list building trap.

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How is this for a Harkevich list?

Also, is the War Dog needed anymore?

>>53868763
1.) Kodiaks. Harkevich wants Kodiaks, because he can hide his entire arny behind three of them and reposition them back to safety.

1b) The Decimator is a terrible jack. It's really bad, you are always better of picking a cheaper jack into that slot instead. The only real use for Decimators are Assassination casters, like Sorscha1, Strakhov1 or OldWitch1, because they might need to bounce an enemy model out of the charge/run lane.

2.) Manhunters are bad, unless you are playing the full Yuri package or Vlad2 or something. Take the free Dog over it. Or make the Marksman free. Even the Mechanic officer will usually do more work than a single manhunter.

3.)Yes, Dog is still good. With Dog and b2b Jack, Harkevich goes to 18/18 in melee, with immunity to backstrikes and knockdown, meaning he is really hard to assassinate without Telekinesis or slams or similar things.

>>53869177

>Decimator

I was going for all ranged Warjacks. I heard that's what Harkevich does best with.

Otherwise, why take him over Karchev?

>>53869313
Broadside is what we call a "trap". Karchev excels at making his jacks hit super hard, Harkevich makes them mobile and tough to kill.

They both work better with melee, but I personally think running a Destroyer or two (or Black Ivan) is fine for both.

Are there going to be remodels of the Mangler and the Renegade any time soon?

>>53870641
No because PP wants to sell you new models and factions

>>53870641
No because PP wants to ignore that mercs still exist. That was pre-Theme Warmachine.

It could be good if they made a new Magnus theme.

>>53871953
Didnt they get collapsed into a single plastic kit? But I guess complaining is Waaay easier.

>>53872916
The mangler? Is an old mk1 Metal Heavy. It's never been plastic. The renegade is an old mk1 Metal Light, it's also never been plastic. You're thinking of the Nomad/Mule/Rover kit, from like 2010.

What if they made a version of the game like EDH where everything is FA:1?

>>53873180
Screws over factions with very limited model selection like cephalyx.

>>53873180
Skorne becomes much better.

>>53870641
Not currently. Maybe eventually but that stuff is expensive to produce and there's only one jack for each kit. If they do one it'll be after they make rules for one or two other jacks that use the same chassis

>>53871279
>>53871953
You don't have any idea how this stuff works

>>53870641
I wish there was a good reason to take a Renegade, but why have a luxury light when you can have a bargain heavy? It's so sad because I like the 'jack's character a lot.

>>53874101
Shut up Shick. Everything you say is a fucking lie

>tfw you will never have a character Talon dual-wielding shock spears with a shoulder rocket launcher

>>53874442
I remember when the Talon was literally the worst warjack in the game. Good times.

>>53874323
Your salt fuels me.

>>53874542
Pic of the card or shut the fuck up Shick

>>53863723
I've got twelve kommandos and some eliminators just staring at me on my work desk. The heat's been unreal, can't even prime 'em.

>>53874516
I suppose that must have been some time in MK1. It's been pretty ok if not niche the rest of the time. Really funny seeing Talon or Vanguard spam with Batten Down the Hatches.

>>53874951
yeah that'll be silly when the mercs "Totally not Heavy Metal I promise guys" theme comes out. I think the greatest failure of themes in mk3 is just how fucking lazy they are designwise. "Take 20 points of X get X solos for free" wow, really blowing those creative doors off, PP.

>>53874774
Of what card? We're talking about Manglers and Renegades. I think you need to take a break from interneting dude

>>53874738

>Will S.

That guy is about as much of a business failure one can be. Can't believe he hasn't been fired.

>>53875079
You quoted the wrong person. Also Will Shick is notorious for saying something about the model and being completely wrong about it. Hence when anon pretends to know something, I call him shick.

So fuck yourself, shick

>>53875219
You are losing it dude, I don't think you understand how posts and quotes work here.

Go back to this post >>53874101, read what I wrote and who I made fun of and try and to infer why.

It's not hard

>>53875219
>Also Will Shick is notorious for saying something about the model

Fuck, it's worse than that. When they were arguing Skorne was just fine (before the errata) on the forums, Will S. came in with a paragraph long argument on why certain things were fine.

Some random Skorne player responded and said well yeah...but....

Then listed like 7 rules that he was completely wrong on. It was fucking embarrassing.

Plus look how they've handled the digital IP. Bottom line, if Will S. offers to run your front office on something...run away. Fast.

>>53875320
Because you are lying about pp wanting to not sell new models and faction

>>53875364
I'm not? At all? Of course they want to sell you new models. They're a business and they exist to sell you models.

You know what else sells? Resculpts of older models. But they only produce those when it makes sense to.

Use your brain man

>>53875407
>They're a business and they exist to sell you models.
>Of course they want to sell you new models
There's a disconnection here I feel. Why would a company want to sell new models when it could push to sell more of its existing models? You save on the usually rather heavy R&D costs by doing this too. Not to mention you don't run the risk of accidentally unbalancing your game and pissing people off if you focus on your existing models.

Again I'll reiterate; you don't need to produce new models to sell models to people that they don't already own.

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So what I've learned about Ghost Fleet is that if I keep everything completely within 8" of Rasheth, I can't be debuffed, and if I can't be debuffed, his infantry can't deal with my heavies.

PP exists to make a game, the business model is just what they use to make that happen. There's a pragmatic reason for them to release in a certain pattern but if they had unlimited money they'd probably release a model for everything that exists in the IK conceptually.

>>53876730
Why not both?

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bampo

Is Ios worried at all about provoking a war with the Iron Kingdoms over the Retribution's actions?

Likewise, how is it the Skorne maintain their foot hold in Ios's mountains bordering the deserts and badlands of Immoren and the gate they took down originally?

>>53863145
>My personal pet peeve is Kaelyssa, just because her kit could be her gun, and Phantom Hunter, and she would be about as effective as she is right now.

Today I learned that Blur, Banishing Ward, and (especially) Refuge are all bad.

Holy fuck /tg/ is bad at Warmachine.

>>53879621

According to what I heard, there was going to be a novel about how Goreshade4 oversaw the effort that kicked Skorne out of Ios entirely.

As far as the Retribution and the official government of Ios, its in a weird spot right now. Retribution's biggest interaction with the Iron Kingdoms has been reclaiming Nyssor's tomb specifically, and Khador is probably too busy with other stuff to really care.

Retribution seems similar to Legion in that they haven't really had that much of an impact. the Mage Hunters roam far and wide killing magic users, but that's more secretive. The elves of Ios have officially retreated and cut diplomatic ties with all the major nations.

What's going to be interesting is if they expand the Nyss into their own sub faction, what's going to be done about Legion. Saeryn and Rhyas coming over starts the idea of what about the rest of the blighted elves?

Fuck... I just thought of something:
- The Mage Hunters generally roam far and wide. It would be damn interesting if for the Mage Hunter Theme force Eiryss3 attached to a list of merc units, and those now counted as mage hunters
- Similar idea with the Nyss theme eventually. You get to pick one blighted Nyss unit and they have been 'liberated'.

Those would be fun & fluffy ideas for themes that aren't just 'here's free shit'.

>>53858660
I thought all NQs are digitally archived in PP's site?

>>53860930
>It would be doubly hilarious if Saeryn/Rhyas make the jump to Retribution

Man, as someone who loves Saeryn and Rhyas but has always been kind of skeezed out by Everblight's mind controlled waifu harem, I'd go nuts for this if it actually happened.

Is there any reason at all to go through the effort of magnetizing the plastic Convergence colossal so I can swap between Axiom and Conflux? I know Convergence is getting models and another theme in August, but it seems like a real stretch to think either of those is going to make the Conflux suddenly playable.

>>53879924
>liberated Nyss
Just think of all those asshurt edgelords

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>>53880840
Lanyssa2 when?

>>53879850
Ignore that man. Kae-Fresh is a much improved caster over her Mk2 incarnation, even if the loss of Witch Hound is a bit of a bummer. I'll take it for her better overall kit.

>>53880840
As a mainline Legion player, I'd be fine with it. Fluffwise it would take some doing, but Saeryn giving Everblight the mental cold shoulder for two years and not dying is more impressive to me than her figuring out how to work a Myrmidon ever would be. Besides, Everblight needs something to shake him down from his high horse and he just got totally free from basically his worst enemies on the continent.

>>53881353
Now with 15% less shitposting: I do feel like Ios is in that odd state that 40k Eldar share, in that they're an ancient civilization with elite troops and high tech, but apparently doomed to setting-driven extinction. Throwing them a bone is a great way to mix things up, but at some point people might start noticing the contrast between their predicted demise and absurd success in the fluff and/or tabletop.

On the other hand, more variety for the elves is aesthetically cool and makes sense for a species closing ranks. And I personally enjoy seeing the big bad villain factions with dire "end/take over the world" plots eat shit every now and then.

>>53880587
Convergence will likely go through some CID in the near future so maybe?

>>53881986
>Convergence will likely go through some CID in the near future
Confirmed to be in August

>>53882042
Cmonnnn Orion

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Today has blessed me with slightly less hot weather and I was able to prime this big boy
Skins all done, now to do the metal, leather, and Pigmy

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>look into getting into a war game
>see that there's a decent scene for this in my area
>buy pic related
>buy the Menoth paint set that they sell
>open box
>read the little booklet
>painting guide at the end
>bunch of colors listed that didn't come in the paint pack

I feel like I've been bamboozled.

>>53882464
I guess it assumes that you use some further colors to do additional highlighting and stuff. Or it's because the stuio paint scheme has slightly shifted since the original release of the paint pack. I'd say grab some light brown ink (some sepia maybe?) and some white primer and you should be set to paint them regardlessly. You don't have to use the exact colors in a guide.

>>53882464
Just a friendly word new anon. If you've never painted miniatures before you're going to end up with a lot more paints. Like a metric fuck load if you get really into it (I've got like a 100+ on my hobby desk).

You can do a pretty basic paint scheme with the starter paint set but expect to want more in the future.

Man, Maelkos or whatever is a cool looking caster for a battlebox / fatty caster.

>>53882721
He's really good, it's a shame he doesn't see much competitive play

>>53882859
His kit's pretty inflexible beyond FIAH!

He is a good caster in his niche however. I'll never forgive what they did to Feora2 to make Feora3 or him look attractive to play though.

>>53882721
>>53882859
>notices attractive woman on the street, stares for a second, returns to chapel and flogs himself into a coma
>immolates Morrowan school teacher for being a child-protecting normie
/ourguy/

>>53881967
Well the only decline in the elves so far is the rise in soulless. Honestly the biggest detriment to Ios is the rise of the rest of iron kingdoms. If Khador Cygnar or even the Protetorate wanted to they could individually try and invade and while they would lose alot of troops the attrition rate would put victory in their favor. Honeslty if not for world bending circumstances Skorne was set to overrun all of Ios. Makes you wonder what will happen once the rest of seting figures out what the Retribution is really about.

>>53883036
Man, looking at Feora 1, 2, and 3 makes me pretty sad. I don't even play Protectorate but I feel like there's a huge missed opportunity with her various versions. Thankfully CID appears to be going along smoothly so hopefully she'll get an update

>>53883458
Khador and Cygnar both have military populations that are approximately the size of the Iosan population as a whole (nevermind the military capable).

>>53883458
No one would invade Ios for the same reason no one would invade Rhul: It would be too fucking costly.

Much better to pick on weaklings like Llael and Ord, or pass the Thornwood around for a few years. Also Protectorate explicitly does not give a shit about elves, and would probably be in favor of their anti-human magic policy until one of less tactful Retribution members (probably Rahn) heretically points out that Menite warcasters and priests still count as human arcanists even if their powers come from a god.

>>53882147
Why are Bombers so based?

>>53883670
Because they make zero sense. Seriously, there's nothing on their model to indicate they carry more than the two bombs in their hands.

AMAZING NEW SOLUTION TO SPAM

CHANGE FIELD ALLOWANCES TO EITHER CHARACTER OR INCREMENTAL GROWTH, MEANING YOU'RE EITHER ALLOWED ONE, OR EACH ONE YOU BRING COSTS MORE THAN THE LAST. JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING THAT DUDES GET ROWDIER AND MOST BOISTEROUS THE MORE OF THEM THERE ARE

>Example
Beast-09
Point Cost: 21
Spam Cost: C

Mad Dogs
Point Cost: 7
Spam Cost: +1

Iron Fang Pikemen
Point Cost: 9/15
Spam Cost: +2

>Example List
Harkevich +28
Beast-90 - 21
Mad Dog - 7
Mad Dog - 8
Mad Dog - 9
Mad Dog - 10

Iron Fang Pikemen (min) - 9
Iron Fang Pikemen (min) - 11
Iron Fang Pikemen (max) - 19

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>>53850274
>Also now that Sevvy is dead it's time for Feora to make her power play.
Holy shit, when did this happen!? Any other warcasterlocks died?
(Please be haley)

>>53885124
Terminus is still a corpse token in someone's pocket somewhere, because Stryker slapped him.

I sort of wanna try a load of Cyclops Savages with Morghoul1. At 7 points they're very disposable. Yeah they won't kill anything, but honestly they don't need to. If the first just puts a big chunk of damage in a target, the second can finish it off.

>>53885124
>Please be haley
Nah, she can't die until somebody in the warmachine universe masters the Spin and destroys her in between dimensions.

Only then will that miserable Mary sue cunt will die...

But we all know she's slated for "Ascension".

>>53885587
>Haley and Denny both ascend Twins-style
>Haley4 and Denny4 both have the same feat
>It just straight up says take an extra turn after this one
>Haley4 has Laddermore's current leadership for Storm Lances, Arcane Shield, Defender's Ward, a bunch of other stupid shit, and Great Power just to rub it in
>Denny4 has Parasite, Mortality, Crippling Grasp, Hellmouth, and Great Power too
This sounds so balanced it's unreal.

>>53884295
>disincentivizing spam
That is exactly not what PP wants.

>>53885651
Spam makes for an unhealthy game as it turns list picking into an unsatisfying coinflip half of the time. I once rolled up to my LGS for a game with Karchev. My opponent wanted to play Mordikaar but said he may as well not bother and played Rasheth instead.

>>53885683
I know. But spam is actively encouraged by PP, so I don't see why they would implement regulations against it.

>>53885707
They need to give every faction some answers to it then.

>>53881967
The doom of Ios doesn't really seem as inevitable as the doom of the Eldar.

The Iron Kingdoms isn't the same kind of setting as 40K. It's nowhere near as grimdark. Immoren is the kind of place where heroes really do turn up and make a difference, and it seems like the elves have a legit chance of saving themselves.

The problem I have Retribution's fluff is that they can either be unimportant or insanely successful. The elves can't believably fight the insane wars of attrition the other factions engage in. This is why PP is tentative of dragging Ios into open war with too many other powers - for them to keep going as a faction, they'd need to have an insane winrate in the fluff. Which is kinda canon, the elves are meant to be extremely elite and have tech the other nations don't really deal with on a regular basis, but not to the extent it would need to be.

As someone who hasn't played in about 1 1/2 - 2 years, how much have I missed. Trollblood player if it matters.
I know there was a pretty major rule change and not sure what I need to update. New Cards? New Codex? At work so I can't really check right now but some guidance would be cool.

>>53885857
>>53881967
I see the whole "Iosan Gods dying" schtick as the elves going from high elves to soulless dark elves.

Long lived, emotionless creatures that don't feel a thing when they carve you up just to look at your insides.

>>53886112
But will they become lewder?

>>53886098
Well there is a new edition. Bad news is Trollbloods are easily the weakest faction right now. Good news is that might change soon in CID.

>>53886112
It's not really the same.

Soulless elves have no ambitions or desires of their own, for one thing. They just do random shit or wait for people to tell them stuff.

Also Good News about "Company of Iron":

You can customize your leader (And possibly some of your crew as well) with the custom cards.

Examples included giving them Jack Marshall, Extra boxes, Unyielding.

Scenarios will actually be scenario based. Like "Disable the Bomb" or "Rescue the Hostage".

>>53886836
So it's basically X-wing levels of customization with the cards?

>>53886836
Fill me in I'm lost here

>>53879621
>Is Ios worried at all about provoking a war with the Iron Kingdoms over the Retribution's actions?

They should be, but they aren't. Revanchist religious triumphalism, yo.

>Likewise, how is it the Skorne maintain their foot hold in Ios's mountains bordering the deserts and badlands of Immoren and the gate they took down originally?

If I had to guess, I'd say it has to do with what happened to Skorne being they instantly lost their ability to project force. The Gate was probably a gods damned supply dump. Troops that rally around and hole up on top of a supply dump tend to do well.

Either that or they're losing, but *very slowly*. An unsupplied tenacious defense in broken terrain goes down a lot slower than an unsupplied collapsed offensive in open terrain under aggressive counterattack.

>>53887110
>>53886856


Getting information from Facebook, as well as the Primecast 45, I have gathered all information possible about Company of iron
Its a smaller scale 20 or so Point battle where nothing with a large base is allowed. PERIOD.
Stats will be almost identical to Warmachine Stats. Some changes will happen.
Its played on a rumble mat and the focus is on the skirmish between smaller scale forces (Possible to do with even as low as 4 Dudez).
Instead of activating Units, Models will activate turn by turn like solos.
Because of its Solo Nature and the fact that units can end up separated, most abilities that grant effects to models will use CMD as a passive granter of that ability instead of requiring models be in formation.
The game is about scenarios. As in actual real ones. Not "Plant your ass in the grass and wait for 5 turns to pass".
Stuff like "One side has to deliver a bomb, and the other side has to either disable the bomb or destroy the carriers".
CUSTOMIZATION! DO IT! Customization Cards will allow you to create custom Leaders. And that includes your own! An example was stuff like making them a field leader (Unyielding), Give extra boxes, Make them (And other guys) Jack Marshals! Edit: Its also possibly Custom Unit?
Instead of Jack Marshals, Hordes will Have Beastwardens. Like Jack Marshals for Beasts!
Will have a health chart thing instead of instant knockout.
Everybody gets a hand of command cards that you get. Each command card can either be used for a passive round wise ability (Like ignoring Target in melee def bonuses for guys in range) or for a quick instant boost for one model.
Command card hand sized is actually changed depending on what models you bring. Some will grant larger hand sizes the other smaller ones.
WAY more terrain. Like instead of 6-8, its 8-10 with a much larger focus on outright obstructions and HARD limiters
Mercs/ minions are a faction. No dipping into Minions/ Mercs. Congrats Mercsers.
FA 1 EVERYTHING.

>>53883698
>Implying They aren't hiding more in their potbellies.

>>53883522
>until one of less tactful Retribution members (probably Rahn) heretically points out that Menite warcasters and priests still count as human arcanists

Thanks anon, now I want to see Rahn mercilessly shitting all over Reznik when he claims not to be a "filthy arcanist."

>>53887195

Holy shit, I would be all over that.

>>53887195
This actually sounds really good.

>>53887195
I gotta say, I'm really looking forward to running a small, precise team of Mage Hunters on a mission that feels like it actually suits their fluff.

>>53883522
>>53887762
Rahn is one of the less fervent Ret warcasters, he legitimately doesn't even believe that human sorcery is hurting Scyrah and is only in it so he can show off how badass Shyeel's myrmidons are.

I could see him doing this just to be a dick though. He seems like a HUGE asshole.

Alternatively, I would fucking love a tweest where, surprise surprise, it turns out Thamar and Morrow and the Gift have almost nothing to do with the Rivening, and in actual fact Menoth attacked the weakened elvish gods, because he needed their power after having spent almost a millennia rapidly losing followers and being somehow blocked from influencing Caen by the Orgoth.

>>53888348

They also pretty specifically stated their looking for actual model conversions and modifications.

Could work pretty well with the cards offered.

For instance the Jack Marshal one Made the leader a Jack Marshal, Granted 5 Boxes (I think), repair, and 2 other people in the army either got repair as well or Jack Marshal.

So you could make a custom little Platoon that are Combo Mage Hunters and Mechanics. And run a light jack that they customized to store and carry tools.

>>53887195
t.-___-.t

sincerely, khador

>>53889346

What you mean is:

>Time to die in steam!

>>53889346
Yeah pretty Bummy as a Khador Player, but a Single Marshalled Khadoran Warjack could probably annihilate any opposing force (That doesn't have Warcaster Support).

But yes Brother: TIME TO DIE IN STEAM!

>>53887195
The age of the Repenter is upon us once again!

>>53887195
Oh fuck yes, FINALLY a reason to use Nephilim!

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>>53889346
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>>53855605

>>53890435
Oh wait
>nothing with a large base is allowed. PERIOD.
RIP Khador lol

>>53890457
Except for just about literally, everything else Khador has I suppose.

Not Widowmakers, not Rifle Core, or the mounds of anti infantry options.

>>53885769
Buy better and more spam

>>53887195
No weapon crews seems really weird, but otherwise I am all about this.

>>53887195

My only real complaint is that I can't bring Rifle Teams with an Iosan team.

>>53887195
Khador's kind of getting the short end with no large bases; no 'jacks at all, no drakhuns, no mortar or cannon teams; not sure what we'll have to deal with even lights. I guess regular man o' wars, but...

>>53887195
So, I guess Soles have been hitting Malifaux that hard huh.

>>53890931
Actually, it was more Hungerfords creation. There was a demand for smaller faster games, and a demand for customization.

There it's done.

It's planned to be indefinitely supported.

>>53890921
It's kinda by accident and also for good reason. The lack of jacks is indeed a genuine disappointment, but if people bitch about arm 20 with a Warcasters present, the salt would be enough to build a mountain to space.

We have Iron Fang Pikemen, Berserkers, CRAs, Rockets, just regular ol charges, Assasins and pretty much everything else to deal with Lights.

Khador will be fine.

>>53891071
I think a special exception for berserker chassis 'jacks might work for khador, to be honest. Not like berserkers are much better than other faction's lights.

>>53891071

>but if people bitch about arm 20 with a Warcasters present, the salt would be enough to build a mountain to space.

Hello puny man. I am a Paladin of the Order of the Wall. Please bring your non-warjack weapons to try to kill my arm 21 body before I reach you

>>53887195

I rather hope they let Attached units attach to the Leader rather than a warcaster.

Being able to bring a Guard Dog for Khadoran leaders would be very cool.

>>53890889
Right? Nothing says "tacticool unit on a covert mission" like an attached sniper team.

Reminder that Skorne is shit.

>>53891358
Awesome. Thumbs up mate.

>>53891126
Paladin order of the wall also only has 5 boxes. That's quite a bit different than 34.

>>53891358
We already know

>>53891126
>Paladin meme
except you move across the table at a snail's pace if you want to be in Brick + Mortar stance.

Then you make one swing and die.

Same problem as Paladins in standard Warmachine.

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Something tells me that I will become really fucking sad once the Khador CID rolls around...

>>53891358
Reminder that Skorne is fine and you need to git gud

You can add a Junior to any faction. They have to bring something new to it though.

What do you make?

>>53890889
Yeah.

I mean, I guess Ghost Sniper is fine for roughly the same purpose, but it's just not the same.

>>53893380
Its for Man-O-Wars. And there is quite a bit coming.

PP hates Skorne

>spent a few months before getting an errata when they were trash
>only 1 theme and its based around a tactic that is antithetical to the identity of the faction
>PP isn't CID'ing the Skorne themes and the book isn't out till September so 3 more months of waiting
>All items for command are already known except themes
>competitively Skorne is stale and focused around Mak2, Morgs2, Zaads2, Rasheth
>recent meta changes towards jack heavy and left Skorne in a poor position for piece trading
>Skorne's recent releases are mediocre
>Morgs3 is based around a Cost 3 offensive spell on a Fury 6 with no arc node
>Chiron is expensive enough that he competes with other characters/staples or multiple lights that do the same work as him if not more
>ADR traded out 2 decent if not competitive options for a lock that the meta doesn't support and a mediocre lock
>competitively skorne's top locks can't take advantage of ADR meaning they will generally be playing 12-15 pts down due to lack of themes
>Cygnar and Trolls will have 4 themes, Cryx 3, and Convergence 2 by August before Skorne even has a second
>entire faction of Grymkin and its 2 themes will be out by September

>>53893407
Mercs.

I would give them character Juniors with specific character jacks in a bundle (like Rorsh and Brine, Wrong Eye and Snapjaw, you get the idea). Something like a runaway Khador-caster in training with a beaten up Juggernaut or a Llaelese teenager who found about his warcaster spark and joined the rebellion, alongside a weaponized laborjack.

>>53893515

A copypasta kind of defeats the purpose. It's not even proper trolling.

Valka the Curseborn
>Northkin character solo
>Medium base
>Spd 5, Mat 8
>8 boxes
>2x PS 12 Weapon Master
>Righteous Vengeance, Unyielding, Tough, Northkin, Countercharge, Retaliatory Strike, Relentless Charge

Few other rules, can't remember them.

I don't know man. I suppose that MOWs of different kinds will sort out the issue for Khador. Don't think that MOWs quite compare to a jack though. Hard to say.

If they support this game properly though I think it has a lot of room to really take off. Being able to make a small custom team of any kind in Khador would be so awesome. Greylords & co like Fel Twelve on some mission to recover an artifact, some Widowmaker stealth teams or AKs out to assassinate or kidnap someone, bunch of Winter Guards trying to hold an ammo cache. Endless possibilities. Finally a chance to use some of those more obscure character solos no one bothers with, like Yuri the Axe.

>>53893466

Well, you can rules-lawyer that the "Counts as a small base" rule lets you squeak through I guess.

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I just bought my first battlegroup. While I look up tutorials on how to make my dragonspawn not look like shit, does anyone have advice for the gameplay?

>>53887195

The only thing I don't like about this is the lack of cavalry. Cavalry are some of my favorite models in the game.

>>53894279
I mean Cavalry doesn't really fit in a kill-team style game

>>53883522

How costly was the Iosan invasion for the Skorne exactly?

I noticed they trounced through Ios and likely would have dealt worse harm to the nation had their supply lines held up.

I also don't really recall it making a dent in Makeda's forces over all unless that's covered in writing somewhere.

I think the Skorne even kept that gate they took and still have a foot hold in the Iosan mountains, along with plenty of Iosan slaves.

>>53894415
They lost a moderate portion of thier population, and a significant amount of morale in the short term. The actual consequences will probably not be felt yet until the future. All that had happened now is that the Retribution is key to basically direct Iosian policy in dealing with the rest of the world. Though you never know what Skorne will make with all the knowledge and resources they captured from Ios.

>>53894543

I'm kind of wondering what the Skorne are getting out of things period other than more slaves.

It seemed like Hexeris, Zaal, and Mordikaar were busy in their studies of Immoren while Makeda was away handling the whole "Conqueror" affair.

>>53887195
So warmahorde CS:GO?

>>53894329

I don't understand why not. Obviously you wouldn't bring horses on a stealth mission, but on patrol or scouting new territory, I think they make sense.

Also, you could put soft rubber shoes on them for sneaking around. Tactical horse slippers.

>>53894620
We'll dunno how long it takes for them to learn about warjacks because they definitely captured a bunch of those. And who know what the skorne could do with soulless under their command.

>>53894880
We'll it's still a stealth mission if no is left alive to report back.

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Finished up with my Bomber

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>>53895207

>>53895207
>>53895224
Looks good anon.

>>53894907

To be fair, couldn't they just craft Constructs of stone that have the same capabilities as Warjacks do?

Like Hakaar the Destroyer, only larger.

>>53883698
Can someone clarify what the fucking Bombers actually are as a species?

I mean, the Mauler, the Blitzer and the Bomber are all Dire Trolls. But the Mauler has hair and is super strong, while the Blitzer and Bomber are just beasts with weapons strapped on top of them.

I don't get it, are Bombers just Maulers with different training or are they "bred" to throw bombs? How the fuck would that even work?

>>53895349
>couldn't they just craft Constructs of stone that have the same capabilities as Warjacks do?
>Like Hakaar the Destroyer, only larger.
The thing about the Exalted is that it requires a special stone capable of holding a soul to create them. The stones are incredibly rare, so very few people earn the right to actually have it done. They couldn't create golems even if they wanted to.

What they COULD do is research more into the shit Mordikaar was doing with souls. I mean, Void Spirits are just angry insane souls that he drew into this world and bound into service. I'm pretty sure in the fluff it says he taught some others to do it. The only issue is that the Skorne revere their ancestors, and Void Spirits are basically the souls of their ancestors being tortured and angry as fuck. They're walking heresy. Mordikaar could get away with it because his research could've been the salvation of the empire so Makeda didn't give a shit, but to start doing it casually would undermine the entire Exaltation process and thus undermine the reason why Skorne soldiers fight so tenaciously.

>>53895349
Oh man if studying iosan jacks are why skorne decide to start making construct beasts that will be such a fluff win

>>53894415
The lost a LOT of troops smashing their heads against the wall of their border fortresses before Mammoth ex Machina happened.

I don't know about how many slaves they managed to keep either. They were forced out of Ios extremely quickly, and I'm not sure PP feels it can just give away large portion of Ios' population and still have them seem viable as a faction. Annoying, we don't really know the situation with Skorne or how it all went down, due to the timeskip and how PP treats all non Cygnar/Khador/Cryx fluff as side shit that they fill in later. All we really know is the tide turn incredibly quickly after Goreshade emerged from Shyrr.

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>>53895453

I thought the Kovass were Heresy and that the Void Spirits were okay (if disturbing and unnatural in idea) because they could actually be found in the Skorne wilds (albeit not in abundance) and there is no law saying you can't summon, unleash or bend one to your will?

Also, are the cannibal Skorne found roaming the deserts technically undead and if so, is their soul still inhabiting them?

>>53895557

Even if they didn't keep their slaves, would they actually let any of them live upon retreat?

It seems like they'd be more likely to turn the Cyclopses and Basilisks loose on them first in an act of spite perhaps or use them to cover their retreat.

>>53895648
Kovaas are certainly heresy, as is Zaal2. Literal walking heresy. Zaal has commit so much heresy at this point that it's hard to see what he has left to do. If he wasn't so useful/powerful he'd have been dead a long time ago. Void Spirits may not directly be a Skorne soul but at the same time it still undermines that we should honour the dead.

And cannibal Skorne? I've never heard that before. You don't mean Nihilators do you? They're the only desert Skorne I know of.

>>53895727

Zaal putting himself in a sacral stone is not heresy. It's definitely an abuse of power but it's not heresy.

>>53895404
All of them are Dire Trolls
Bombers are particularly clever dire trolls who have been trained

>>53895755
You're supposed to earn your Exaltation, not give it to yourself just because you can and you're scared of dying. He's made a mockery of everything the Skorne army strives for. If I was in Makeda's shoes I'd consider him worthy of the death penalty, except now that he's technically Exalted you can't really just go kill him because you're supposed to honour him. She should just give him the Hexeris/Rasheth treatment and keep sending him to dangerous places in the hope that he gets killed.

>>53894099
For the battlebox? Dont be afraid of sacrificing shredders to tie up models for a turn or two.

>>53895813

Non martial Skorne have been known to become worthy of exaltation. It's rare, but it does happen. The scholar who invented the Skorne alphabet was put in a sacral stone for his contribution to Skorne culture.

Ultimately Zaal is the highest authority when it comes down to determining who is worthy of exaltation or not. No one can challenge him on these matters without heavy consequences and Makeda knows this.

So again, it's definitely an abuse of his power, but it's decidedly not heresy.

>>53895926
Morghoul would disagree I'm sure.

>>53895813

He's got decent argument in that he really did go down at the high-water mark of the Skorne invasion, taking a shivving for Xerxis. Busting heads with his old man cane, shredding souls, but for some reason not yelling at the mage hunters to get off his lawn.

>>53895955
I suppose Xerxis earning Exaltation gives more credence to Zaal earning it. I mean without Zaal, Xerxis couldn't have achieved all the shit he did. Why the fuck is Xerxis only a Tyrant anyway? Nigger should be the Lordest of Lord Tyrants.

>>53895977

it's confirmed that he was promoted to Lord Tyrant when he went epic.

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>>53895727

>And cannibal Skorne? I've never heard that before. You don't mean Nihilators do you? They're the only desert Skorne I know of.

Genzoul are said to be cannibal Skorne.

>>53896007
Oh, alright. Neat.

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>>53895727
>>53896050

>>53895948

Morghoul leaving Zaal alone means he's at least apathetic of Zaals self promotion. Everything Morghoul does is to strengthen his new house and the skorne empire.

>>53896099
>Fucking big tiddy bitches strengthens the Skorne empire

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>>53895727

>Nihilators

Apparently Nihilators and Hermits can turn into Genzoul, especially those that practice extreme ascetism or mortitheurgy, which really makes me wonder about Naaresh.

>>53896192
He's sane, he just has a deathwish.

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>>53895453
>>53895648

Someone rate my Vyros1 list

https://conflictchamber.com/#c5201b0D2w2w2w0wd_9v3y3y3ydP4khM3536

Retribution Army - 75 / 75 points

!!! Your army contains a pre-release entry.

(Vyros 1) Dawnlord Vyros [+28]
- Griffon [8]
- Griffon [8]
- Griffon [8]
- Hydra [15]
- Imperatus [22]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Houseguard Thane [4]
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4]
House Shyeel Arcanists [7]
Houseguard Halberdiers (max) [13]
- Houseguard Halberdier Officer & Standard [4]

>>53883522
A friend of mine and I had a fun buddy-cop idea for the IKRPG where he would play a traveling Scrutator and I would play a Mage Hunter. His magic is divine and he Menoth doesn't care about non-humans worshiping non-Devourer gods so we'd just roam around being murderbros before murderhoes.

>>53895684
In a perfect world they'd probably want to do that.

Might difficult when you have the actual champion of a goddess swarming you with respawning elves.

>>53897081
Fully functional out of ten
Trading the Hydra for Discordia could be nice, but I'm not sure what you'd cut.

>>53844568
>http://www108.zippyshare.com/v/9gF1X7iU/file.html
Anyway to download the Ret book without downloading an extension. Not seeing any direct download options.

>>53897598
Oh for fuck's sake. I clicked that stupid download now button five times, each time with a link directing me to download an extension popping up. I made this post and tried one more time with the download then happening.

>>53894099
Kryssa's BB is ultimately about movement control and setting the rhythm of the game on your terms, not your opponent's. The Bolt Thrower and Tactical Supremacy let you play keep away with an enemy's force and engage with your Neraph when it is optimal. Or at least that's the idea. Shredders really only work as throwaway models to tie things up or as support to try and help the Neraph chew through high armor targets. Your models are made out of tissue paper so don't let your enemy engage on their terms if at all possible. Kryssa also has a janky but not-awful 16" assassination threat range if you've saved her feat until then, which can surprise unwary opponents (in general this is not a good use of her feat but if things are going poorly it's there for you).

Kryssa in general loves her character beast Azrael and loves a pile of Neraphs more than most in my experience. Some staple beasts to purchase for the faction beyond the BB ones are a Naga Nightlurker and Seraph.

>>53894099
Additionally, utility purchases like Blighted Nyss Shepherds, the Blighted Nyss Sorceress on Hellion (if you end up liking the flying beasts and/or warlocks like Kryssa or Fyanna), and Forsaken are good initial purchases. The Black Frost Shard are probably one of our best utility units at the moment. If you plan on playing out of our themes (or theme, rather, as Oracles of Annihilation is quite good when set up correctly and the other two are pretty restrictive for marginal benefit) a unit or two of Hellmouths aren't a bad option either. They have less impact on the actual board than you might think but tilt so many people by existing that they basically function as psychological warfare units, and Legion can't do straight up fights and needs enemies to make mistakes for us to capitalize on, so they help that.

Don't expect anything in your army to survive being attacked head-on. Legion is not durable. Legion is a somewhat fiddly faction of glass cannon pieces and support that tries to leverage greater positioning ability and punish opponents for making mistakes. If that's not your preferred playstyle I would suggest looking into a different faction.

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So how would a Siege Animantarax modeled after Slave Beast Taka from the Contra series be?

>>53897919
Probably modeled after the Slave Beast Taka.

Or are you talking rule wise? Because it would suck more ass because that boss was easy mode.

>>53897950

I meant aesthetic wise as a cool conversion.

I'd hate to see the Skorne actually dredge up something like Taka from the deserts. They'd probably turn it into a giant agonizer or some other horrific weapon of war.

Also, "new faction a year" confirmed for a brand new faction a year, not a subfaction.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Will_Shick/status/875163572950544384

>>53898286
sure is circa 2005 GW in here...

>>53898286
>even the Courage of Caspia guy is in the replies all like "I'm not okay with this"
Who pitched this goal for the company, and who can we blame for not shooting it down

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So I had a thought about the Dire Troll Blitzer today. Why does it (the Dire Troll) need to be forced for boosted attack rolls? It's not the one actually doing the shooting. My only idea is that it's the warlock forcing the Dire Troll to calm down and stand still so the Pyg can actually get a clean shot.
So that actually gave me an idea for a buff. What if it got some sort of extra bonus while aiming? I'm not saying flat out boosted attack rolls while aiming, but something.

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>>53862569

Thanks anon. I went on a buying spree and got another TEP as well as 2 packs each of Accretion, Attunement, Elimination, and Reflex servitors. Eventually I'll get one more pack of each. I also got a Corollary.

>>53899540
You're taking a game abstraction too literally in this case. Your idea isn't a bad one but the rules aren't that visceral in WM/H.

>>53898286
That's not what that says at all, but nice try

I'm always confused by the almost masturbatory glee you guys take in the idea of Warmahordes failing. Do you guys actually play the game or are these threads just 100% shitposting?

DEAD GAME DEAD THREAD

But the tweet says new faction every year, with it being impossible to say if they'll be fully supported or limited release in nature.

>>53902043
Or sub factions.

Regardless, I don't see why people are freaking out. We've been getting one facton a year for a while now

>>53885354
Does anyone else hate fucking Stryker? Is no one else aloud to win in a fight against him? I hate how that ginger fuck always slaps the shit out of every warcaster he runs into. Not even a Cryx player.

>>53902598
I mean, Vilmon slapped his shit left and right up until the moment Menoth himself decided he was tired of Vilmon's shit.

>>53902598
Still better than Haley. Seriously, I know it will never happen, but folks like Kraye and Siege deserve to be Cygnar's main characters.

>>53902781
That wasn't Vilmon. That was Voyle.

>>53902823
Voyle, whoops. Just got some wires crossed.

>>53893564
>a Llaelese teenager who found about his warcaster spark and joined the rebellion

Isn't that literally Gastonne? Also when are we getting full Thorn Gunmage Warcaster Gastonne2?

Hey new guy here.

Is the lore worth reading? And if so where to I start?

>>53894543
>Though you never know what Skorne will make with all the knowledge and resources they captured from Ios.

Step 1: Augment warbeasts with myrmidon tech, Dr. Arkadius-style
Step 2: Adapt mortiheurgy to include the warcaster spark. This will probably involve teaching machines to feel pain and then torturing them profusely.
Step 3: Give venators real fucking guns, and give everybody who can afford it mekanical weapons
Step 4: Send some faggot to kill Severius (already completed, faggot in question probably got a cursory nod of approval)
Step 5: Wait for the Menothbowl to play out
Step 6: Invade the Protectorate, make sure to kill Feora and/or Kreoss
Optional Step: Drop a mammoth on the walls of Sul

Congratulations, Makeda is now the proud owner of her very own Iron Kingdom. Fuck you.

>>53903052
Each of the command books have a decent amount of lore for that specific faction. Also the history sections in the RPG books are great.
Full metal fantasy is written from the civilized perspective, and Unleashed has more tribal views.

Here's my dropbox with the RPG stuff.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ic7ql04ncu0gkd8/AAAn_bJIdgJD7Nl__r6uGEwxa?dl=0

>>53896119
Damn straight. I also like how it seems Morghoul actually got worse at fighting from versions 2 to 3 (he lost weapon master), because it signifies him becoming more of a fat cat.

>>53894921
Actually, that plays into why they did it.

They tried Longriders for instance and just found they destroyed everything. Which is a legitimate fear.

Heavy Cav would destroy most infantry and crumple light jacks, and Light Cav would be super duper speedy for the Scenarios. With Stuff like reposition 5, they would run circles over opponents because of the heavy amounts of terrain.

>>53903107
Implying the Skorne Empire isn't an "unofficial" Iron Kingdom already.

Is there an in-fluff reason why Rhulic dwarf warcasters have such low focus counts?

>>53903509
They're just really shit at magic.

>>53903522
Those particular casters, or dwarves in general.

>>53903543
Dwarves in general. Just look at them. How much magic is going to fit in such a small container? Same reason why Gobbers can't into magic at all.

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>>53903543
Dwarven society is run by feuding bureaucrats, and they're so set in their ways magic innovation doesn't happen very fast.

I'm planning to run an IKRPG game for a new group set in occupied Llael, but I'm blanking on ideas.
the party will be a mix of llaelese resistance fighters, undercover cygnaran agents, and ordic mercs. they will be working towards weakening the khadoran occupation the region.
my initial idea was to do some cloak and dagger stuff at first, but then shit hits the fan, when a magical plague is unleashed and the city is placed under quarantine by the khadoran army.

I need plot hooks and ideas on how to run this kind of thing. been a couple years when I last DMed, so I'm a bit rusty.

>>53903987
Khadoran kayazy (merchants) are demanding unfair prices and scaring away competition by bringing gangsters with them. Time to start a gang war, perhaps even with the Khadoran authorities intervening.

>>53903987
The magical plague is a bio-weapon, and the Khadorans are using quarantine camps to both test the effects of the plague, and research it's cure. As time goes on researchers begin dying to mysterious wolf attacks, and Blackclads appear offering to liberate the sick from the poor conditions the Khadorans are keeping them in. (but really they just want the plague to spread.)

>>53904028
>>53904263
>Khadoran kayazy (merchants) are demanding unfair prices and scaring away competition by bringing gangsters with them. Time to start a gang war, perhaps even with the Khadoran authorities intervening.

that's good, I like it.
>Khadorans are using quarantine camps to both test the effects of the plague, and research it's cure
>Blackclads appear offering to liberate the sick

actually, I was thinking that the plague is the result of some radical higher-up in the resistance made a pact with the blackclads, with the intention of weakening the khadoran garrisons, but it backfired horribly, and it was started to spread among the locals.
but then of course, the blame could be shifted onto the khadorans, causing anti-khadoran feelings to flare up among the population that is sort-of became accepting their new place as part of Khador.

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>>53903987
Can't offer much support (southern dogs, pshh) but I love your pitch. Please report progress Anon.

>>53904689
But where does assault kommando-chan store her eyeliner?

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>>53904694
Maybe she's born with it, maybe it's Maybelline.

>>53904694
the left pouch is for cosmetics and the right pouch is for snacks

>>53904689
thanks!

>awesome AK art
these guys will definitely see some screen time as tensions rise. assaulting resistance safe houses, and then when the plague runs rampant, burning piles of corpses on the street, and in the end becoming primary patrol units and torching anyone who is suspected to be infected.

however, I want to keep it morally ambiguous, and show that both sides has heroes and shitty people. I'm planning to have some radical resistance members firebombing a hospital that hosts sick khadoran soldiers, and hanging some local officials who are working with the khadoran administration.

the khadorans will also have their good guys, who are not affiliated with resistance elements, but are cleary working to eliminate the plague and help the population.

if anyone has ideas of these, I'd be grateful to hear them out.

>>53904774
You have an interesting thing going here.

I recommend minimizing any warcasters or the like, in fact limiting the "Larger" military aspects until things get more intense.

Some people like deep difficult moral quandries. You can play Cygnar as the morally sparkling clean toast suckers that they are, or actually, give them a choice.

Maybe Cygnar would be better off just stealing the vaccines and destroying any Khador effort to make one, so that the plague ravages Khador and weakens them.

You can really play up the Blackclads as a very mysterious force working behind the scenes. Minimize their involvement. Have them be mysterious and your not sure whos doing it. Maybe they set up patsies with Thamarite Cults taking the blame.

>>53904774
Wait I got an even better idea:

What if the ultimate target of this disease arent humans, but Dragons? The black clads are testing it against weaker flesh and the khadoran government accidentally stumbled apon it?

>>53904865
>Maybe they set up patsies with Thamarite Cults taking the blame.

that's a good idea. I totally forgot about thamarites.

>Maybe Cygnar would be better off just stealing the vaccines and destroying any Khador effort to make one, so that the plague ravages Khador and weakens them.

I love this. I'm probably placing a cygnaran CRS handler in the city. if things get grim, he might give the cygnaran PCs the order, the Resistance be damned.

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>>53904865
>recommend minimizing any warcasters or the like, in fact limiting the "Larger" military aspects until things get more intense.

If a Warcaster/Warlock shows up at all, it should be the final boss. I would like it, if the fight was unreasonably hard (how the fuck do you beat a Juggernaut and a Decimator controlled by a trained warcaster in caster armor when your party is 4 random dudes?), but if the players pay attention during the journey, they can find tools, clues and information to make it beatable.

For example, IF the final boss was a Khadoran Warcaster with two Juggernaut-chassi heavy Warjacks, I would add certain things to the script:
- a sidequest or something that gives the party access to Rust bombs.
- a clue that one of the heavies apparently got damaged during the war and mechanics are issued to fix it. Kill the mechanics = weakened jack.
- the party can find an old laborjack or something and become jack marshals for it (isn't that a normal game mechanic for IKRPG?). If the party manages to scavenge and trade for the right parts and has the right knowledge/know people with the right knowledge, they can upgrade their shitty barrel-carrier jack with actual weapons.
- etc, those were just some ideas from the top of my head.

>>53905134
(cont. - part 1)

so far I'm thinking of the following:

- one of the more radical resistance leaders makes a pact with a Circle druid to create a plague that would infect the khadoran garrison. he's going behind the backs of the other ring leaders for plausible deniability.

- the plague starts to spread among both the garrison and the local population. the plague has a couple-day incubation period before symptoms start showing, but carriers are still infectious during that time.

- players are sent to support the resistance effort in the city. they are going by rail, the train they take also transports medical supplies and materiel for the occupying army. some prominent NPCs are also present: doctors, military officers (maybe a khadoran warcaster as well), a kayazy mechant and his goons.

>>53905143
(cont - part 2)

- if the players interact with the khadorans they might gather info about the sickness. they also have the option to make a good impression and even befriend some khadorans - genuinely or otherwise.

- the train is attacked by bandits trying to loot the supply wagons. the players are forced to fight them off alongside the few khadoran soldiers. there are chances to eliminate some khadoran NPCs in the midst of the resulting chaos. the surviving NPCs will influence the events in the city and will remember the PCs and their actions.

- at the train station the train is boarded by the winter guard as a routine check, along with medical personell to assess the health of the arrivals. PCs must present their documents.
if they play it cool, they are allowed to enter the city freely. if they cause trouble or act suspiciously, they are taken into custody.
if they made a good impression with the traveling khadorans, some of them may vouch for them.

- PCs are also informed that any use of magic, arcane or otherwise is regulated in the city, and magic users must register at the guard HQ. if they have a warcaster among them, his/her presence will be immediately obvious to the khadoran warcaster traveling on the same train.

- the players must find their contact to the Resistance.

- the plague situation starts to rapidly escalate forcing the khadorans to declare lockdown. noone can leave the city.

>>53905141
yeah, there is definitely a warcaster in the city. the PCs won't necessarily fight him. if they're smart and don't directly antagonize the military, they won't have to.

some scenarios I was thinking of so far:
- the players arrive at their safe house, and there are notes from their resistance contact, a disenfranchised llaelese noble woman.
- what the players don't know that lady whatsherface has been dead for a while and a khadoran spy (prikaz operative) took her place. the notes in the safe house are from the dead woman and they have clues that the players can use to realize the switch.
- if the players don't suspect the switch, she will use them to uncover the resistance cells in the city.
- if the players confront her, she is revealed to be a greylord arcanist with considerable skill in combat magics.

>>53905271
>"if the players confront her, she is revealed to be a greylord arcanist with considerable skill in combat magics."

Now I imagine a hot blonde lady stuffing herself into a Greylord Forge Seer armor and spout metal gear rising dialogue.

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>>53905678
I am turned on in the most confusing way right now and I'm not sure if that's a bad thing.

>>53905678
>Now I imagine a hot blonde lady stuffing herself into a Greylord Forge Seer armor and spout metal gear rising dialogue.

I was thinking more along the way of her blasting the PCs with Frostbite while sitting at a table in a Café after she's revealed... but that also works