Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for admech

>>53812739
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Nth for Reasonable Chaos Players.

>>53812739
>>53812723
Also,
>ifunny
>filename
>stupid irrelevant meme edition
Oh looks lads, it's June 15!

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Nobledark is superior to grimdark.

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NTH for forgeworld scans when we can't wait any longer

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>>53812723
xth for Khorne Bezerkers are good again! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn!

>>53812752
I don't get it. Is that when kids get out of school now? Doesn't it vary from place to place or something, though?

>>53812755
I actually agree.

>>53812755
Then fuck off to your containment thread

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>>53812756
>mfw renegades are in the IG book and I play both
But damn it I need to wait even longer for that book.

Why did Russ go into the eye of terror to find magnus?

It was russ being fooled by horus that drove the 1ksons out of the imperium, it was his fuck up. Not magnus's

>>53812755
I'm actually quite satisfied with the semi-asspull they did to justify all the events of Gathering Storm and other parts of the fluff on a timeline. The whole "too many competing ways of keeping time that everyone fucks up and no one knows what year it is anymore" is acceptable to me.

Tweaked 1000 point Nid list. Fexes for most of the shooting, Hive Guard for a bit of anti vehicle/monster, Hormaswarm to lock stuff up.

Patrol Detachment
Tyranid Prime (1) - 107pts
1 Tyranid Prime: Spinefists,Boneswords,Flesh hooks,Adrenal glands

Tyranid Warriors (9) - 243pts
9 Tyranid Warrior: Spinefists,Boneswords,Flesh hooks,Adrenal glands

Hormagaunts (30) - 150pts
30 Hormagaunt

Hive Guard (3) - 144pts
3 Hive Guard: Impaler cannon

Carnifexes (3) - 354pts
3 Carnifex: 2 Two deathspitter with slimer maggotss,Bone mace,Bio Plasma

>>53812801
Because both he and Magnus know that. If he kills Magnus and all of his sons then only he will know his secret shame. Who else is alive from that battle? Bjorn and maybe Valdor?

I just impulse bought a Culexus Assassin, super excited to field him in 8th.

>>53812801
He went looking for a cure for the Emperor.

>>53812782
Of course schools don't all get out at once, but as everyone's been noticing across the boards, the summerfags have been flooding in and worse than anything in recent history

I wonder if recent political shit has got people stirred up and now that 4chan isn't some whimsical blame-all hacker, we're gonna see more and more of this? There's been lots of shitposting recently, and it feels like summerfags are egging it on

>>53812824

Warning, he's only okay.

>>53812835
>believing the tree of life lie

>>53812824
Shoulda gotten all four for maximum character rape lad

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So I might actually be running this on day one to see if the hype measures up to reality. It will have lots of blank bases and all kinds of shit standing in for Conscripts but I can just barely put 300+ bodies on the field.

50 power 6 command points
Company Commander [3]
Company Commander [3]
Commissar [2]
Commissar [2]
Priest [3]
Astropath [1]
Conscripts x50 [6]
Conscripts x50 [6]
Conscripts x50 [6]
Conscripts x50 [6]
Conscripts x50 [6]
Conscripts x50 [6]

>>53812836
I never understood the summerfag meme. You do realise that kids have phones and computers and can therefore browse whilst at school or at home throughout the year. The "summer faggotry" is literally a placebo effect.

Are Honor Guard worth a damn?

>>53812880
Yey, relic blades are pretty beasty now.

>>53812878
I dunno man, traffic goes up and quality goes down, maybe it's just neets with more time at home, or ifunny/Reddit fags that get bored, but something happens during the summer. But enough of that

>chapters still 1k marines
This was a perfect opportunity to fix some of their retarded numbers.

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Reposting for ideas as to what to do with 267 monopose marines I got from a dumpster

>>53812866
I considered picking up an Eversor as well, but he was sold out, might check eBay to see if I can find the other three on the cheap

>>53812908
Terrain?

>>53812912
>not getting the callidus and the vindicare
weak/10

>>53812899
It's not like the posting quality in these threads hasn't been complete dogshit for several weeks now.

>>53812908
What dumpster?

>>53812908
sell them to me

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I need some C@C on this list, not sure if i should go with the Path finders or a ton of drones to surround my remaining models

>>53812908
Donate them to poorfags.

>>53812921
I did mention picking up the other three. I just want to prioritize getting Culexus and Eversor because I've always thought they were the coolest.

>>53812870
I don't think you have enough Commissars there, given that you really need the Conscripts to be supported to not have them crumple to morale losses.

>>53812908
Work on making an actual full Chapter of marines. Start with the... what is it, sixth company? The one of just tacticals.

>>53812908
Man I don't even know. I'd go to tow converting chaos marines but even I'd get board of all that work after two squads at tops.

Are all three per sprue the same pose or are they at least a little different?

>>53812936
>riptide
I'm surprised you can even consider a unit that terrible.

>>53812947
Just a warning: Don't glue up the head of the Culexus before painting. Makes it a huge pain in the ass to do.

>>53812936
You're only allowed to take three special weapons per PF team.

>>53812899
Agreed, back to 40k

So lads how much money have you spent on this hobby? I'm one of the many lurkers that isn't playing at the moment due to university killing my wallet/time. I played nids/eldar back in 4th but i want to get back in with Dark Eldar (always loved their models and lore)

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>>53812924
GW dumpster

The local GW is changing managers as well as getting ready for 8th, so a lot of shit got thrown away. Ill go ahead and post it all. In addition to the marines, i got about 50 books

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>>53812968
these models

2/3

>>53812961
well that messes with my points.

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>>53812980
And 2 realm of battleboards, a load of terrain, and some spray paints and hobby tools

3/3

>>53812980
I don't think I can possibly be more jealous.

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>>53812947
I could drop 10 conscripts and the Astropath for a third Commissar. Actually that would be much better, it would let me spread them out a little bit more to take more objectives. Thanks for the help!

>>53812991
>2 realm of battle boards
what the shit

>>53812980
>throwing away a knight and a DA battleforce
Im UNBELIEVABLY upset

>>53812908
>>53812913
Do a huge pile of glorious dead. Stick a banner on a 25 mm base on the top and use it as relic objective.

>>53812991
WHO THE FUCK THROWS AWAY TWO BATTLEBOARDS
ARE YOU FUCKING WITH US ANON

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>>53812755
/tg/ fears how true this is.

>>53812991
>>53812992
I stand corrected.

>>53813019
this was what i was thinking, just an Absolute Slaughter of men culminating in a throne made from there heads

>>53812980
Okay the books and mono marines I shrugged off just luck. But tossing out a landraider and a knight? How is it even possible they would toss that out?

>>53813019
Seconded

>>53813030
It comes down to corporate bullshit.

GW is trying to reset the store to give the new manager a "fresh start"

so a load of the old terrain and boards were thrown out for whatever reason. The shop looks totally bare now, its actually really sad. all the posters and store copies of books and old white dwarves are all gone

>>53813060
Does this GW happen to be in Southern California?

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>>53812965

Too much. This is the tip of the iceberg. Other things include my 2500+ point sisters army, assembled shit, various china addons to go with those HH sets, Fantasy/AoS, and WMH.

>tfw poor impulse control

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>>53812836
>I wonder if recent political shit has got people stirred up
Yes. tbqh I've never noticed the summerfag thing in like the last 5 of the 8 years I've been on here, but since the election I have noticed a hell of a lot more newfags of all kinds, redditors and Emperor only knows what else.

>>53813048
>How is it even possible they would toss that out

I guess they dont sell that specific knight box or death watch land raiders anymore. I guess its cheaper to trash it than to send it back to get reboxed

>>53813016
He's lying.

>>53813078
Fuck you, I didnt rummage around if dumpsters at 2am and almost get caught by security to get called a liar

>>53813071
>>53812991
>>53812980
>>53812968
>>53812908
I feel nothing but aching jealousy right now. Fuck you.

>>53813085
lying plebbitor

So, I have a question. How the fuck did Lorgar become a daemon prince?

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>>53813071
is an unrelated anon

>>53813074
Yeah, and I think a big problem for us is lots of these people spewong in from ifunny/r/thedonald/Reddit in general tend to migrate to /pol/, and get the 'dude emperor trump lmao' memes.

From there they hit babbies first 40k, and come here to shitpost. Sadtimes.jpg

>>53813101
Why would I lie about getting random models and broken terrain out of a dumpster?

Thoughts on my 2k list for Space Marines in 8th Edition?

++ Battalion (Space Marines) [2000 Pts] ++

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [153 Pts]: 5x Additional Marines, Flamer, Heavy Bolter, Power Sword

Tactical Squad [160 Pts]: 5x Additional Marines, Flamer, Heavy Bolter, Plasma Pistol, Power Maul

Tactical Squad [173 Pts]: 5x Additional Marines, Combi-Flamer, Lascannon, Plasma Gun

+ Elites +

Chapter Champion [86 Pts]: Boltgun, Relic Blade

Honour Guard [84 Pts]: 2x Relic Blade

Venerable Dreadnought [153 Pts]: Assault Cannon, Dreadnought CCW, Stormbolter

+ HQ +

Captain [106 Pts]: Combi-Flamer, Relic Blade

Chaplain [79 Pts]: Plasma Pistol

Techmarine [91 Pts]: Conversion Beamer, Grav-Pistol, Power Axe

+ Fast Attack +

Assault Squad [191 Pts]: Add Jump Packs, 5x Additional Marines (Jump), Eviscerator, Melta-bombs, Power Sword

Assault Squad [191 Pts]: Add Jump Packs, 5x Additional Marines (Jump), Eviscerator, Melta-bombs, Power Sword

+ Flyer +

Stormtalon Gunship [195 Pts]: Twin Assault Cannon, Twin Lascannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [108 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter, Twin Assault Cannon

Rhino [80 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter, Stormbolter

Rhino [78 Pts]: Hunter-Killer Missile, Stormbolter

Rhino [72 Pts]: Stormbolter

++ Total: [2000 Pts] ++

>>53812824
I prefer Callidus, but a Culexus is fine too.

>>53812755
The whole grim/noble dark/bright dichotomy is silly and reeks of people who have to plug everything into convenient niches.

40k is a broad enough setting to have both in spades, and is better for it.

>>53813120
Why do you think that is a situation that people should inherently believe?

>>53813105
By being the first primarch? All the gods pitched in. Same with Perturabo.

>>53813108

Yea, I paid for my shit, which is becoming a problem.

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The Astral Knights have been rebuilt fully with Primaris Space Marines.

We stand ready to purge all heretics, my Lord Guilliman.

>>53812755
>dislike ultramarine mary sues who literally have their past retconned to paint them in a fucking better light rather than accepting they are not perfect
>like guilliman

>>53813071
sir, send me your knights, i take joy in assembling shit, and looking at this makes me upset

>>53813138
I guess it's more of a question then of how to undivided princes happen when you evidently have to have a god you're devoted to in order to ascend? I mean, yeah, it seems like it has only really been established as that way recently, but is it just that the gods/daemons think you're a cool enough dude in general that they let you join into the warp as a sentient entity like them, or is it all the gods coming together and deciding "Okay, let's make this guy a daemon."

Or do you have to go through some kind of bullshit to an undivided prince? I guess all this is just a question I didn't know I had until GW started specifying shit.

Anyone know a good way to fight tesla spam? With an overlord buff a squad of ten averages 23 S5 hits at 24" each turn.
>(20 shots * ((1)4/6 +(3)1/6))= 23.333...

>>53813070
Are you down here too anon?
Have any idea of a ganestore for me to send my nephew to? I got him that marine box set for his 17th birthday, but he lives in Simi Valley. He's too young for my playgroup, know any stores that's take him?

>>53813167
you will know only a fraction of there Devotion, those hero's gave everything for the imperium, and you pale in comparison

Okay, I need some help deciding on what to get next for my Admech army. I have:

3 Onager Dunecrawlers
20 Vanguard (with 6 plasma)
10 Rangers (with 4 Transonic Arquebus)
1 Techpriest Dominus
3 Destroyers with Plasma and flamers

I was thinking I might need another HQ, but after that I have no idea. Infiltrators? An Ironstrider or a Dragoon? An Assassin? I refuse to buy electro-priests, they're so hideously ugly.

>>53813191
It's actually more as you get the 3 hits on a 5+ with the overlord buff. The best answer is just to tie them up with a transport of some kind.

>>53813195
>lives in Simi Valley
Fuuuuck I'm jealous, and not even because of the 1000-plus dollars in free shit

>>53813167
Oh god those proportions are hideous.

>>53813171

Me too. It's very unlikely that I'll be assembling and painting them. My plate is too full already. I'm probably going to try and sell them for ~$125 each, though I think my friend wants one.

>>53813185
The "have to have a god" was a retcon. Guessing they just don't do it anymore; no one is as valuable as a Primarch these days.

Like. Lorgar and Perturabo are such benefits to Chaos that even without claiming them, all benefit. Otherwise, new daemon princes lack that levep of utility and so they are elevated to further a specific gods ends.

>>53813167
Look at my tiny, tiny head.

>>53813226
>Belakor was a mistake

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Fill me in on how the knight kit works
Can have the chainsword on either arm or is it specifically built to fit the right hand like it shows on the gallant.
Basically I wanna build a warden with a chainsword, and I'm wondering if its possible without having to buy two kits

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I am getting the new 8th box to start out my army.

This is what I will have during June 17th. A 1000pts list to start off my Warham journey.

I know the list is flawed, but I want to know how and why, and what to replaced so it could be better.

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Are Big Choppa's better than Power Klaws now?

>>53813185
Few individuals old the favour of each of the gods. Perturabo and Lorgar manage to without becoming chaos spawn. Lorgar for being such a good boy and perturabo for some depraved shit with 300 Imperial fists Geneseed samples.

Abaddon was offered daemonhood of the four powers, but refused it.

>>53813226
It's not a full retcon...it's always been a thing that basically was said. Libre Chaotica places it as the gods unifying behind someone. The god, itself, carves a daemonic name on your soul. Which is, basically, what a daemon prince is.
That being said, it's plausible that any warp entity could do it, including minor gods.

>>53813265
Oh that Imperial Fist gene seed was used to make the Daemonculaba.

>>53813209
Another start collecting box probably wouldn't be a bad idea, that or Ironstriders/Dragoons

>>53813212
>20 * (3/6+(3)2/6)= S5 30 hits
>30(2/3) = 20 wounds vs T4
>20 (1/3) = ~7 Dead marines a turn

Being an 8e marinelet is suffering...

>>53813259
well for starters intercessor squads are really underwhelming.

>>53813259
Have to buy a box of scouts just to get the Detachment bonus.

A-are plasmas good at popping vehicle? Cuz the absence of las cannons and melta makes me nervous, given the grief so many players on my scene have when facing armors.

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I still had the thread up with this post >>53790657 where someone was "gifted" loads of SoB models plus some newer stuff to pay off a 200 dollar loan or some shit, and decided to try and see how much the models he got were worth if bought from GW, for fun I guess.

Couldn't find everything and some of them I had to put in groups or couldn't be bought alone so it's rough. The dominions/retributors and bits also confused me, but I think it's almost 2000 dollars.

That took much longer than I would have liked. Just finished the damage-calculations for AdMech, their cost-calcs are up next. They have so many strange conditional modifiers I had to manually enter. Not sure if I'm finishing their cost-calcs tonight.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

>>53813268
>minor gods

killed by GW unfortunately, now there's just 4 gods and some pretty powerful greater daemons or princes

>>53813185
well there's that and that a particular god claimed the primarchs. Pert might be khorne or nurgle

>>53813288
You can always stick them in cover and half that number, but yes, tesla immortals are pretty nuts when buffed.

>>53813268
>The god, itself, carves a daemonic name on your soul.
That's pretty rad. Like I guess it might sting but it's still pretty rad.

>>53813254
the sword can go on any arm, the fist however is left hand only

>>53813254
I think the guns and chainsword are interchangeable or atleast easily converted to be, the only i can be certain about is the gauntlet, since its a left hand

>>53812936

Dump the riptide for ghostkeels
Why are you sticking one of everything on your commander? Plasma rifles are kinda bad, reconsider based off their role

Drop maybe a PT team for drone squad for guns and screening or something

>>53813298

Use some apothecaries to revive your plasma boys when they blow themselves up and make sure to re-roll ones to-hit. Once you do that, plasma guns can do unbelievable damage to vehicles on supercharge.

>>53813286
Which are better these days, Ironstriders or Dragoons? I'm thinking I've painted up enough troops and Dunecrawlers for a bit.

>>53813343
This. Overcharged plasma can leave quite a dent.

>>53813343
>take nothing but ravenwing black knights and an apothecary
>???
>profit
Looks like the WAACfags have new ways to spam bikes.

>>53813352
Itronstriders got buffed but I find dragoons to still be pretty nice since they're fairly tough in melee and can move 10" or you can take them with jezzails and have 2 shot snipers that can move and shoot, though at -1 to hit when they do so.

They're both viable so it just depends if you want a weapons platform or a melee screen/mobile sniper platform.

>>53812908
>>53812968
>>53812980
in other news, someones local got robbed over the weekend

>>53813398
Dragoons also have a nice -1 to hit from enemy shooting now.

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>>53813366
>tfw dropping 10 combi-plas termies with sorcerer for +1 hit, lord for rerolling 1s and overcharging that shit

>>53813335
did they murder them THAT badly? well heres a new list, i dont know if i have that many drones

I really want to play Blood Angels but I keep being drawn back to Grey Knights because they do so much more damage in assault and having 4 shot storm bolters at 12 inches is brutal.

If you had to pick between BA and GK which would you pick and why?

Which do you think is the more viable army in 8th?

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>>53813425
i fucking forgot to choose the picture

>>53813264
Probably with Warbosses now being Str 6 so they wound MEQ on a +2. The rend isn't too great, but the definite 2 damage it does might be better than a random D3

Not to mention you hit on 2+ with the Big Choppa and +3 with the Klaw. It all depends on your preference.

>>53813430
>I really want to play Blood Angels
>playing dead faction

>>53813405
>>53813398
Fielding a Dragoon would get me an actual close combat unit. How good is it on the charge?

>>53812908
>I got from a dumpster
see any riptides while you were there?

>>53813432

Drones serve a big role in armies, from being the most post efficient unit enabling strong dakka returns, screening units, as well as saviour protocols. So handy to have a bunch.


Too early to really be able to completely tear down lists so advice will only go so far. Gotta play a bit too.
Depends on what you expect to fight a lot too

>>53813475
dont forget they have Fly and 8 inch movement

>>53813432
Commander with 3 MP + ATS will do more damage on average than 4*MP, and cheaper. You should look at the damage calculations link in the OP, it has some relevant stuff.

>>53813432
Bad, you've got decent shooting I guess but where's all the chaff and middlemen? I don't know how much they buffed fusion and missile pods, but I doubt those guys are worth taking.

Seems to me a good list is 3-4 squads of fire warriors (from what I hear Breachers are hilariously decent CQ troops, but risk dying through charge), a devilfish or two for transports, pathfinders and snipers to taste, plus whatever mecha shit you want.

Like you're covered on heavy guns but missing out on the offensive 'line' that 8th seems to be requiring

I like the idea of a guard army with all vets for infantry. I know its not as good as conscripts because you can get the same damage output with double the wounds for the same points. But could they still hold their own in a casual setting?

>>53813463
They buffed taser lances from only being S+3 on the charge to always being S+3 so they really aren't any more effective when they charge than when they are charged other than going first. They lost Dunestrider which always gave them an extra 3" on all movement but now they've got a 10" base movement and since you only only have to get within 1" to be in combat they really only lost 1" overall so they can reasonably get into combat. They've also got a 6++ now for what it's worth, along with T6 W6 they won't necessarily explode right away.

Also they've got 3 attacks base and hit on 3+, combined with the taser rule which makes their lances generate 3 hits so if you're lucky you can dump saves on whatever they're attacking. Though they're best being run with more than one in a unit, 2 or 3 isn't bad since you're dumping an assload of S8 AP0 hits on whatever they fight.

>>53813495
Arguably, you can use exclusively normal infantry squads. They are a +1 per model point increase for BS and WS4+, and that synergizes with re-roll 1s and stuff way better. Only real problem is the psychic power that lets you add +1 to saves and orders are harder to spam because of the max 10 in a squad thing.

>>53813495
Not even troops anymore.

>>53813488
>ATS will
ive experinced the opposite, having a front line leaves you opend to assault from deep strikers, ive lost games because either a assault squad or a Blob of Terminators dropped in and assaulted me

>>53813312
You are confused. "gods" are not real in 40k anon. They are just powerful warp entities.
There are two types of "Daemons" in 40k. Born, and made. Made daemons are almost all the patron Big Four ones. They are made from the essence of that "god" and given independence.

Other daemons are like Drach'nyen...born from an event. Extreme emotions, mass killings, etc can all breed a warp entity from it. Souls of the dead can combine into something bigger. Imagine being a warp being that feeds off the base emotions of almost all sentient species...thats basically what the Chaos Gods are. Just huge, almost impossibly powerful, daemons. But they are warp beings just like any other.

What you are referring to is shit like Malal, which is has always been retarded.

>>53813488

Quad fusion commander is the most effective Tau vehicle buster

>>53813529
Well I'd use vanguard detachments.

>>53813530

Sounds like EWO is worth consideration then

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This is my shitty build with what I've got. What should I get to improve?
Im thinking bikers, or possibly Khorne Berzerkers

>>53813531
they are essentially the Collective Emotional psyche of every soul bearing species in the galaxy, but i still hold on to the fact they are in need of a good old Reincarnation,

Which Knight weapons are for which purpose?

They all just look killy and silly but I'm shit enough that I can't work it out for myself

>>53813571
Check out the damage calculations link in the OP, all the knight stuff has been worked out

>>53813564
More or less. Its the same for Gork/Mork, they are literally all orkz are and believe in. The Eldar gods were basically described as just big Eldar. They were their version of the greek pantheon and fed off them.

>>53812824
>>53812866
So if you take:

Vanguard x3
Inquisitor
Assassin x6

You can field an all-assassin force? Maybe add Death Cults for...cheaper fodder?

I might consider this for fun.

i think i'm a bit tired because if i'm reading this right swooping hawks can do a lot of damage with their grenades

swooping hawks can fire a spread of grenades as they fly over enemy units in their movement phase. to do so, after the unit has moved, pick one enemy unit that they flew over. then roll 1d6 for each model in the enemy unit (up to a maximum of one dice for each model in the swooping hawks unit). each time you roll a 6 the enemy unit suffers a mortal wound. baharroth can do this 3 times on 4+

>>53813530
Sure, if you leave your line open. But any two units only need to be within 18" to prevent DS between them, so snipers and other chaffish units orbit your big gun and keep them from harm

>>53813583
Use demonhosts because they're funny.

>>53813583
Yep. That's a completely reasonable and legal list.

>>53813551
Why though? Just use Scions. They are, quite literally, vets but troops and better.

>>53813600
Or crusaders, for maximum soak.

>>53812836
You realize moot said traffic barely changed right? And this was right before he left too

>>53813590
A 1/6 chance for a mortal wound per hawk is nice but not a huge amount of damage.

>>53813611
Points wise, they are 4 over vets. Vets were really just moved to elites slot because GW thought that'd fill force org in detachments better.

>>53813561
1. dont use power points
2. round the number so 50, 100 if u are using power points

>>53813629
It's just a list of what he has

>>53813611
Vets are cheaper and have more guns. Scions are great but vets are fun too.

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>see Scion battlereports
>with 6+ Taurox Primes
[disgust]

>>53812980
>>53812968
>throwing away entire kits and AOS books
I ca believe the 7th books, but come the fuck on man

>>53812723
why the fuck does the painboy have a powerklaw

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>>53813561
I'd fight it. You really need to kit out your lord better though. Chaos lords are beatstick characters, they really shine when you give them shiny toys. Also fully kit out your chosen

If you're playing with power points, just use everything in the box to absolutely max out all your wargear.

>>53813645
The sigmar books were store copies, which they werent allowed to have I guess

>>53813652
>like 400 pts vanguard vet unit
>16power
kek

>>53813657
Wat?
>>53813644
It's a glass box, only value is it's price

>>53813578
Anon's a cool guy

>>53813624
for some reason i was reading that as every model in the enemy unit gets hit by each hawk, which would make them great for killing conscripts

>>53813645
after working in retail, i believe it.

>>53813264

It's a genuine choice; PKs still give you more flexibility since they can take on high-save stuff better than BCs can. On the other hand, BCs hit more often, are a lot cheaper and do fixed damage instead of random.

I do feel like units that are solely comprised of PKs, like MANZ, got a fair deal worse. Nobz on the other hand got a big boost, since a mix is pretty ideal; BCs supplement the more random PKs nicely by providing consistent damage, meaning that if the PKs go badly, the BCs can make up for it, but if the PKs go well, the BCs supplement that.

>>53813467
big choppa gives +2, so the warboss is swinging at S8

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Trying to justify the fluff of helbrutes in a thousand sons army to get some much needed heavy guns.

How does this sound: exalted sorcerer, seeking to punish his most hated foes/rivals etc breaks their bodies in combat and brings their dying husks before a technomancer aboard his silver tower. The exalted sorcerer metes out the most terrible and damning fate a thousand son could imagine and mutates the flesh of his enemies' bodies with baleful energies while stripping their souls and binding them to his will before ordering the technomancer to seal them within a helbrute's shell.

Just.. trying to come up with a flavorful reason for all that wacky mutation on a non-dusty combatant in this force.

>>53813661
Vanguard vets are hilarious in Power Points. They're like a tactical nuclear bomb that comes on the board and erases a unit from existence, just moments before they in turn get erased by your opponent's entire remaining army.

Eversor assassins are fucking criminal though for how good they became in 8th. I need to buy like 32 more Eversors, so I can run the meme-list of 33 Eversor assassins in a 2000 point game.

I really want to just run hyper-elite armies that smash things and do lots of damage in a short amount of time. This really seems to be the best edition ever for doing stuff like that, seeing as how much elite choices got better.

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>>53813644
>my dumb little turbo truck is going to be the fag-magnet for the first stretch of 8e

>>53813714
serves you right for liking such an ugly model

>>53813195
I dunno. I go to game ogre in oak park and the Thousand Oaks GW mostly. They opened a GW recently in... fuckin... I don't remember where, but check the GW site they list all their 1st and 3rd party stores.

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I actually feel bad for power armor armies

>>53813411
i dont wanna sound like a queer or nothing, but bye bye bye was a bretty good song

>>53813649
Because fuck you, that's why.

Seriously though, I'm an Ork player and it pisses me off that they require the Painboy to have one at a minimum. Now I have to change up my biker painboys.

>>53813430
Bumping

>>53813307
Thanks!

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>>53813714
>>mournful jeep noises

>>53813719
no bully pls

The hybrid of conventional and anti-grav vehicle is a neat idea and the retarded grimdark MRAP look is cute.

>>53813708
>>5381366
So what are some other good ways to abuse power points?
I can see command squads of all flavours being pretty bad due to how flexible their wargear is, same goes for chosen and units like noise marines.

What about on the xenos side?

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>>53812739
Hey do you know what Kataphrons are good for? They look cool, and I loved that Holy Requisitioner formation where they were described clawing open reliquaries or sawing away important bits of tech for the Dominus to steal...but I ran some numbers and the Skitarii Infiltrators and Vanguards stole their job, with Destroyers and Onagers you don't really care about their shooting, and Kastelans do a better job at tanking shots.
Can anyone tell me what good are K. Breachers?

>>53813747
because the official painboy (tm) model has a klaw, anon. Why would you do anything other than what is on the official painboy (tm) model?

Honestly I'm just shocked you can even give him a warbike.

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Concept of this list is clowns are fast.

Big unit of harlequins with Yvrain and shadowseer is the core of my army. Harlequins don't give a fuck about terrain or cover so they just charge up the middle. With the 4++ save and shadowseer's buff they are tougher than marines.

Shadowseer and Yvraine are act to speed boost my army. Turn 1 Solitaire can blitz (average 19" move) and then be word's of the phoenix for a total of 38". This can tie up a shooty unit or kill a character. Against tank spam scourge can come down and be word's of phoenix for double blaster shots.

Shadowseer can path of twilight jet bikes for a second 16" move, so they can hit infantry. Or she can path of twilight the fusion pistol starweaver so it can get within 3" of a tank (total move on turn 1 is ~32") Starweaver can charge that turn and if it dies unit inside pops out and soulbursts into combat or fires its fusion pistols (great for taking down knights and storm surges.)

Words of phoenix and twilight path can be combo'd on foot harlequins to make 3x8" moves. Good for surprise assault or late game capturing objectives.

>>53813792
Homosexual, as all eldar lists are.

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Working with what I have already (Deathwing and Scouts I haven't assembled) I'm trying to figure out a way to run the Primaris. I'm just not sure about the Scout loadout, I feel like I need someone up the board doing something, but at the same time I feel dropping a few for sniper rifles would be better. The Terminator Company Master was just to free up a few points, otherwise I'd go with the Gravis guy.

Am I on to something? Or am I doing it wrong?

>>53813774
Basically anything that has a HUGE amount of wargear options is favoured well in Power Points. Especially if it's lots of relatively fragile models with multiple-dudes being able to take specialists.

Vanguard and Sternguard veterans are both able to abuse it fairly well, since they both can take squad-wide specialists, with both melee and shooting options. Same deal with most characters, and a lot of other Elite Choices.

So here's the general method for choosing a solid Power Points army.
> Get your 2 HQ's down, preferably ones with an option on Deep Strike.
> Get your 3 troops, favouring troops with more options.
> Max out your Elite options, with a preference for ones that Deep Strike.

Naturally even this has counters. Large-model count armies can just deal with it very easily by bubble wrapping to prevent deep strikers. As well as taking advantage of Elite Armies having strong-shooting but poor volume.

>>53813787
Painboyz have always taken bikes, either when they were upgrades for nobs, or with 7th edition making them HQs. They were just expensive.

>>53813707

How about, hear me out here, it's an interred 1ks, who's body turned to dust, so the naught is basically crazy

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>>53813798
Good because they are driving into battle on pride floats.

>>53813803
>taking a generic company master in terminator armor over the fluffy company master in terminator armor
Absolutely disgusting.

>>53813849
>You will never be this talented

Thats a very nice paint job.

>>53813779
Breachers are decent anti vehicle, destroyers are for killing termies with grav.

>>53813774
>What about on the xenos side?

Commanders?

>>53813858
What?

>>53813843
Yeah I mean that's fine, my man, but helbrutes are frickin' covered in mutatey fleshy goop.

Already have one I'm gonna salvage anyways.

>>53813889
>not taking belial
>taking a generic company master in terminator armor and giving him a stupid sword and shield loadout
>random scouts that for some reason aren't snipers

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>>53813787
desu, I've always assumed his right hand was the doc's tools. It certainly doesn't look as robust as a power klaw.

It has syringes, scalpels, and a circular bonesaw.

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>>53812968
>tfw I got the PDF's for all these anyway

>>53813915
Old one had a buzzsaw, which might be why he's able to take a killsaw.

>>53812980
ALL of these units are in the 8th Edition. Why would GW throw them away?

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>>53813843
I mean, just look at this goofball. Flesh everywhere.

>>53813910
Well this is sort of the reason I'm asking if I'm doing it wrong.

>>53813939
Why you just by the dreadnought one from Forgeworld.

>>53813937
Some of them, especially the Land Raider, where probably box damage.

>>53813941
I think the reason was the packaging was updated for those products.

>>53813939
nothing really stopping tzeentch from warping the chassis. The body of the marine is a very small part of the equation.

But if you don't mind spending a whole lot extra you could probably take the chaos armour plates and transplant them onto a standard space marine dreadnought set of legs.

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Looking for feedback on my current 1k Mech Eldar/Ynnari list for 8th.

Will probably find someway to expand this into 2k eventually.

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>>53813933
Rogue Trader-era Painboy with giant dental pliers (just to get teeth for $$$) was probably better

Can see the history of Ork Mini's in a gallery here:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures_(Orks)

>>53813957
Cause those are long gone, anon.
>>53813962
True - it's kinda sounding fun to stuff a space wolf's head in one of these, though.

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>>53813939
Tracking down an Old/Forgeworld Ferrum Infernus is an option.

>>53813988
I still have a poorly painted Black Legion model of this. Metal Mini's were a bitch to put together but goddamn once you did it they stayed together forever.

>>53813732
Everyone gets guilty pleasures from back then, my dude.

Toxic is unironically my favorite Britney Spears song

Whats the consensus on Bullgryn shields? stick with the easy 2+ or take the 4++ for the likely chance they get shot at with AP-2 and higher weapons?

>>53813836
Havoks/Devastators look good too.
7 power points and you can give them 4 missile launchers/lascannons.
Krak missiles and and lascannons are so similar it makes me wonder if that extra -1ap is worth giving up frag missiles for a lascannon.

>>53813888
They dont have that many wargear options anymore, most of their stuff like bikes and shadow fields are build in to the base option.

For Adarkis:
10 trueborn, 8 power, for 4 blasters and 2 lances + dracon weapons.
5 Scourges, 6 power, for 4 heavy weapons.
Stuff like that.

How are Blood Angels doing this edition?

>>53814004
it might just be the fact that it's being compared to modern pop, or the fact that it isn't being played all fucking day anymore, but a lot of the 90's-early 00's pop ain't that horrible

having my shuffle put World Eater next to Girlfriend is a bit jarring, tho

>>53814015
4++. No question.

Ogryn are most worried about all the multi-damage weapons in this edition, where before they only cared about S10+

>>53814041
>now im faced with the scene of having to swap 6 bullgryns with slabs to brutes that were built with plastic glue........

>>53814015
2+. Against most weapons, it will be either better or the same. The 4++ will only be really useful against certain factions that can field mass -3s and -4s.

>>53812756
My Imperium books in the mail, I'll post pics when I get it, but some bong lad will probably beat me to it.

>>53812905
>giving this much of a shit about the numbers
Why do you even play this game?

>>53814029
>when you with your boys having a game and jewel comes on after dmx
i heard those niggas humming foolish games, so i dont even give a shit

>>53814050
>not just saying what the shields are before the game starts
>if pressed, say you thought the tower shields looked cooler
shit's easy bro, just keep the look consistent throughout

>>53814027
With combat changes and the ability to deepstrike without mishap, pretty good!

If I had to choose between a Primaris Ancient and a Deathwing Apothecary for a mostly Primaris list, which would be a better pick?

>>53814050
I actually disagree with him. Slabs are still giving you a 5+ save vs. lascannons. 4+ in cover. But also have superb small arms protection. Similar deal in CC, especially if your opponent prefers power axes.

>>53814075
Fluffwise: Primaris
Crunchwise: Apothecary

>>53814055
Because I like all aspects of the game, including fluff. Not just competitive play.

>>53814052
>>53814066
>>53814079
yeah ill probs stick with slabs. besides ive already just cut the grenade gauntlets off 3 second-hand bullies I bought and swapped them to mauls. 6 mixed bullies with 6 ogryns behind them is gonna be sweet.

>>53814088
Figured Apothecary was the more useful choice, and in my mind from a fluff standpoint he could be babysitting the new guys to make sure they are genetically stable or something.

can a catiphracti captain dual wield melee weapons? If yes then which of his melee attacks use which weapons?

>>53814088
Now that we're on the subject of apothecaries.
How do they "repair" or "resque the geneseed" from the primaris marines?

I mean they can't just have given every apothecary a crash course though can they? Although the 100 year gap between the appearance of primaris up until "now" would allow for that.

>>53814129
Primaris apoths
200 percent better geneseed

>>53814141
No mention of them in the books or codex though. Only regular marine ones, but GW can always just state that that is just "obvious that the primaris will have primaris apoths".

>>53814100
Another option that's solid is to go Majority slabs but include one or two dudes with brute shields so you can allocate the odd melta shot and such to them.

>>53814129
If the chapter receive the knowledge to begin including Primaris I'm sure the chapter's Apothecaries study up. If they don't, they don't.

>>53814129
>I mean they can't just have given every apothecary a crash course though can they?

That's literally what they did.

How would I run an officio assassinorium themed army? Besides an execution force they don't have bigger forces in fluff do they?

>>53814129
>new primaris marines come with a brochure
>picture of primaris marine with the line "geneseed located here"
thats all the apothacary needs to know to rip it out and put it in the fridge for the next marine

>>53814222
>have instructions for geneseed removal tatooed on their chest

>>53814220
well, the point of assassins is to quietly take out an enemy on their own, or with a very small team. fluff wise, id say inquisitor band with assassins in them. but this is 40k, where the universe is so big anything is and is not fluff, so just have fun with it

>>53814220
Nope. In fact it would be unfluffy for them to have a force bigger than an execution force because each assassin is an incredibly valuable asset and takes decades to create.

>>53814233
It takes like 30 years to train a marine last I checked and they have those in spades.

>>53814220
assassins are typically deployed with the support of a conventional force

A good example would be the eversor assassin sent (in secret) alongside a platoon of stormtroopers during the finale of the Taros campaign.

Do you guys think that them throwing out all those mono-marines is a sign of the long-term replacement of marines with chads?

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>>53814129
>"Oh don't be such a baby. Progenoids grow back!"

>>53814245
Anyone can become a Space Marine
Not everyone is a psychic blank, just incase you didn't realize.

Is there ever a reason to take warp talons over chosen or terminators with lightning claws?

>>53814020
I feel like against vehicles that extra -1 ap is nice, most will only have a 6+ and landraiders will get a 5+, unless they have cover so add one.

>>53814220
A neat idea for an army might be an Assassinorium Temple's defenses- say 2-4 of X Temple Assassin supported by some suitably grim Imperial Guard/Inquisition stand ins.

>>53812835
a cure for a bad case of being dead?

>>53814263
No shit and the sisters of silence field armies of them. 75% of assassins aren't blanks either.

>>53814264
>warp talons
jet packs for great movement?

Does Bike or Fly in new edition do anything to firing heavy weapons? Or scatterbikes will have -1 for moving?

>>53813707
>>53813843
>>53813707

I had the same problem with my forgefiend and all the other shit that's supposed to be mutated.

So I decided to make them basically reanimated undead which works out fine. As for the Hellbrute I'm just gonna use an Osirion contemptor and chaos it up a bit.

>>53814284
>sisters of silence field armies of them
Remind me, how many SoSs are there?

Also you're forgetting that each assassin has a WS and BS of 8 compared to even a chapter master's of 6 and 5. Furthermore each one moves so damn quickly that they literally have an invulnerable save just to represent their sheer speed.

And lets not forget the kind of xenotech that the Callidus and Culexus use. How common do you think those are?

>>53814245
It's more about equipment. Even chapter masters don't get access to the likes of exitus rifles or phase swords very often.

>>53814291
Nope. The only keyword with extra rules attached is fly and that is just for letting you move over terrain and models as well as still shoot after falling back. Bikes just do whatever it says on the unit's datasheet.

Shuriken Cannon bikes > Scatter bikes.

>>53814245
actually most marines enter service as a scout at the age of 16-18 and become a full tactical marines about a decade later.

>>53814285
Raptors move that fast for half the points, dual lightning claws needs a good chassis not 1A base. Besides the chosen can charge from a rhino.>>53814285

>>53814305
Unclear, they've been in seclusion for thousands of years.

>>53814319
Oh, I thought they get 10 years before scout then 20ish as a scout. Also they get recruited at like 14-18 right?

>>53812723
someone explain how the stompa isnt overpriced by about 500pts.

>>53814305
And yet a couple of big shot tau can survive an encounter with all four assassins.

Well except one.

>>53814245
Doesn't matter. Assassins just don't work that way. They're too valuable as individual operatives to be fielded en masse. There are other Imperial forces better suited to that role. Even the Execution force is only fielded against extremely high value targets.

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>>53814220
During the Horus Heresy the guy in charge of the Evesors wanted to release them all out of stasis into the Vengeful Spirit and hope one of them gets to Horus. Also you could to the fight between the Grand Master of Assassins and the IF during the Beheading

>>53814333
they get recruited around the time of puberty which is around 12-13 years old.

>>53813723
Got a picture of the Custodies terminators?

>>53814316
Assault 4 catapults dont look too shabby either

>>53814349
I feel like Horus would have trouble dealing with that many drugged up murder assassins.

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>>53814339
Culexus number one!

>>53814365
>Space Hulk: Eversor

>>53814338
40 wounds

At least I'm pretty sure that's their justification.

Haven't tried 8th yet. Do I run my nids or gsc?

>>53814434

Nids are back

>>53814382
>Eversor
make the mistake of catching them in a crossfire, so they all go off at once inside a spaceship, so even if you win, you lose

>>53812723
why does the roster creator not work for me?
Like, I cant select any army lists.

>>53814419
but thats stupid. for 950pts i can get a huge amount of shooting. probably at least 3x as much as a stompa.

i seriously doubt they even playtested it once.

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>>53814471
>if you kill the eversors, they win

>>53814480
Use a different browser, it's weird with certain ones.

>>53814481
FLG playtesters insist the Stompa is well worth it's points.

>>53814481
For 1000 points you could get 4x 30 boyz with full buffing HQs.

>>53814434
nids, it got really gud

GSC kinda lost some tricks like return to shadows and the metamorph weapons

They're both faction tyranids anyway they can be butt buddies if you want to experiment

>>53814483
doesnt work with firefox or chrome for me, do I really have to use internet exploder?

>>53814499
I've had it work on waterfox but not work on firefox or IE, only to work on chrome. So, maybe?

>>53814481
Aside from knights most of the big shit is worse for points than just taking more infantry

but remember cover is much worse this edition shooty infantry vs shooty infantry will trade hard

>>53814493

Or you could get like 5 conscript blobs with officers and commissars, and just laugh your ass off as you calmly sit on objectives and rape the stompa with your lasguns while the ork player shits himself with impotent rage

>>53814513
Just put your conscripts on movement trays and zerg rush the stompa

>>53814535

Assuming you don't want to prolong his suffering, sure.
But the conscripts do about 1/4 of the stompa's wounds at 24 inches and 1/2 at 12 inches.
Meanwhile, the stompa literally kills like 5-7 guardsmen a turn at range.
So you might as well let it come to you.

>>53812801

Magnus' autism is what led to the Wolves being sent after him in the first place.

What Angelos says regarding the Inquisition applies alot to the Space Wolves and their roll in the Imperium pre-heresy.

>It is human nature to seek culpability in a time of tragedy. It is a sign of strength to cry out against fate, rather than to bow one's head and succumb. Inevitably many will fault the hands upon the sword which felled [Prospero], the [Space Wolves]. But the [Space Wolves] merely performs the duty of its office. To further fear them is redundant; to hate them, heretical. Those more sensible will place responsibility with those who forced the hands of the [Space Wolves]. With some fortune, they may foster this hatred into purpose, and further rule their own fate by coming to the Emperor's service.

>Yet ultimately, it was I who set these events into motion, with a single blow from my [autism], [Warp-Fuckery].

- Magnus the Red

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>>53814481
I think the point of the Stompa is to be a really tough unit that can smash apart other tough things in melee, and contribute a bit of shooting when it's not busy stomping things.
It does seem overcosted even with that in mind, though.
Wait, I just noticed the Gorkanaut has more swings in melee, fucking lol. WTF is the Stompa even supposed to be for?

>>53813167
The who?

>>53814573

lol you're right!
This shit was NOT playtested.
I fucking refuse to believe otherwise.

>>53813411

>that feel when your 600 point death star deep strikes, kills a dozen conscripts and then spends the rest of the game killing 3 point models

>>53814482
Now we just need to see what their opinions on dog blowjobs are

>>53813447

You need to double out a unit's toughness to wound on a 2+ now.

So anything below S8 is wounding T4 on a 3+.

>>53814492

>FLG

I'm surprised they were able to voice that opinion with GW's dick so far down their throats.

>>53814614
Big choppas are +2 strength, granting the Warboss S8
I still think that if there's anywhere to put a PK, it's on a Warboss, though, since he can get the most effectiveness out of it with his statline.

>>53814573
>Wait, I just noticed the Gorkanaut has more swings in melee, fucking lol. WTF is the Stompa even supposed to be for?

One thing the Stompa does have going for it is higher base strength. It can wound even the toughest stuff in the game on 2's, which admittedly the Naut can do too with its Str 16. The Stompa can wound T8 on 3's with its Smash attacks, though the Naut wounds them on 4's, which is still pretty decent, and has 2 more attacks base anyway, which means it's swinging 18 times to the Stompa's 12. So that would tend to even out.

The Stompa has some better shooting too, though once the Gattler runs out it's pretty ordinary, and the Deffkannon is only worth firing at units with 10 or more models, which is something of a contradiction on a Str 10 weapon with -4 AP and D6 damage; that's the sort of thing you should be shooting at the toughest shit on the table, and they don't tend to come in units of 10+.

Actually yeah, on closer inspection, I can't see anything this thing is actually good at.

>>53812908
Gimme!

>>53814671
Plus you can get about 2 and a half Gorkanauts for the cost of one Stompa.
They either need to drop the Stompa's points considerably or make it really good at something.

>>53814567
Bullshit, Magnus was objectively right and the Emperor was a fool who kept too many secrets. I'll hate the wolves for being mad dogs all the same.

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>>53814685
NO, THIS IS WRONG! YOU CAN'T EVEN PAINT ALL THE LITTLE DETAILS THAT NOBODY WILL EVER SEE BECAUSE THEY'RE OBSCURED BY OTHER PARTS! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

>>53814685
Look at all the undercuts.

So Power Lances are gone.

got a few on my models though, just call them power swords?

in case anyone wanted to buy shit I found in a dumpster

http://www.ebay.com/usr/ordontal7692

Fun Fact of the Day:
7 Tactical Terminators have pretty much the same point cost as 50 Conscripts+Commissar and are a fairly hard counter to them.

Round #1:
7 Termies drop. Kill 224/27 = 8 Conscripts. +1 for Commissar holding up morale
41 Cs fire for 1.5 Wounds. Ignoring the commissar, let's round that up to 2 Wounds = 1 dead Termie

Round #2:
6 Termies kill 7+1 Conscripts.
33 Conscripts + Commissar shoot back and inflict 1 Wound.

Round#3:
6 Termies kill again 7+1 Conscripts
25 Conscripts + Commissar shoot back and inflict 1 Wound.

Round #4
5 Termies kill 6+1 Conscripts
18 Conscripts + Commissar inflict less than 1 Wound on average
>Guard faggot surrenders

>inb4 orders
Yeah, orders modify the outcome but then again we're evaluating here in a bubble anyway. If you add a Company Commander, i might an Assault Cannon

>tl;dr conscript meme BTFO

>>53814759
Why is Guard surrendering exactly when he has 19 models on the objective to the marines 5 at the end of turn 4?

>>53814756
>267 marines for $150

Actually a good deal even considering they're monopose.

But I don't know what I'd fucking do with 267 marines.

>>53814759
isn't conscript blob countered by ratlings+literally any anti-infantry unit?

>>53814777
No, stop repeating stupid shit that's already been addressed a hundred times in the arguments.

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i'm planning on going into my first 8th ed game of 1k points with the rough following list. guard players, please let me know how you think i'll go:
company commpander
command squad
commisar
conscripts x50
2-3 squads of infantry
1-2 russes or hellhounds
some heavy weapon teams
Aquila macro-cannon strongpoint

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>>53814220
I have 17 of them so far to eventually recreate this. Every so often I pick up a painted eversor from ebay for like $15, and since everyone paints differently, they don't all come across as ridiculously monotonous.

>>53813967
Striking Scorpions in a transport, are you retarded?

>>53812870
Is this the Creed deep strike list where you keep your entire army in reserves except for the commander?

>>53814789
You are the new Riptide spamming Taufag, congratulations.

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>>53814750
They still exist on a few models. If you want to be consistent they're functionally identical to Power Mauls. If you don't like that then just pick your favorite power weapons since your army doesn't have official access to them.

>>53814756
do the marines and dreadnoughts smell of garbage?

>>53814776
Start your chapter, of course. You'll already have over 2,5 companies and after all the painting, probably the brain damage required to keep on going.

>>53814804
the dreadnoughts were never in the garbage, they're from my EC army i was parting out

>>53813792
Twilight is 3" range. Most targets have already moved in the movement phase before you can even attempt to cast it.

Thoughts?

Spearhead (Astra Militarum) [998 Pts]
Troops [69 Pts]
Conscripts [69 Pts]
3x Additional Conscripts [9 Pts]
HQ [217 Pts]
Knight Commander Pask [217 Pts]
Lascannon [20 Pts], Punisher Gatling Cannon [20 Pts]
Heavy Support [712 Pts]
Leman Russ Battle Tanks [348 Pts]
Leman Russ BT [174 Pts]
Battle Cannon [22 Pts], Lascannon [20 Pts]
Leman Russ BT [174 Pts]
Battle Cannon [22 Pts], Lascannon [20 Pts]
Leman Russ Demolishers [192 Pts]
Leman Russ DM [192 Pts]
Demolisher Cannon [40 Pts], Lascannon [20 Pts]
Leman Russ Demolishers [172 Pts]
Leman Russ DM [172 Pts]
Executioner Plasma Cannon [20 Pts], Lascannon [20 Pts]

>>53814809
That's 3471 points worth of just bolter marines.

I play Orks, I've painted enough fucking infantry.

>>53814798
what, the conscripts or the fortress?

>>53814821
Both in combination at 1k points. That's a little ridiculous.

>>53814756
>"""""""""""""""found"""""""""""""""
Come on anon, nobody fucking believes that. The books were maybe plausible, the models absolutely aren't, not least because redshirts are fanatical hobbyists themselves and I don't know a single one who wouldn't use the land raider/knight/etc. for terrain at least.

>>53814816
>Thoughts?
Bad formatting.

>>53814787
the arguement was that snipers can't make their points back in killed commissars but ratlings are cheaper than commissars

>>53814816
The formatting, it burns.

>>53814830
You're right, i just like to pretend i found stuff in a dumpster on an anonymous woodcarving board, then go on ebay and sell it at extreme discount.

also you reminded me i forgot to list the raider, thx

>>53814834
How do you figure? Commissars are 30 points, a minimum sized unit of Ratlings is 35 points and takes two turns average to kill a commissar, and that's assuming he's obliging them by staying in line of sight.

>>53814826
i play mostly kitchen table games against WAAC players, so im using what little i've gathered to make a list that wont get tabled easily. the fortress im only really bringing because i bought it years ago and it can finally be deployed in a non-armageddon game

What upgrades are good on Chaos Daemons?

Instruments seem generally good on melee but icon seems really bad RNG. Thoughts?

Wait, if points are listed in the list (like 100 for HQ or whatever) than what does "power 5" in the circle next to unit means? I did not played sigmar so why ther are 2 points values? One for casuals and other for hardcore gamers?

1499: battalion (6cp)

warboss on warbike w/ slugga, power klaw
big mek on warbike w/ kustom force field

mek w/ slugga, choppa

19 boyz w/ shootas + 1 big shoota inc. boss nob w/ kustom shoota, big choppa
12 boyz w/ slugga, choppa inc. boss nob w/ slugga, power klaw
12 boyz w/ slugga, choppa inc. boss nob w/ slugga, power klaw
10 gretchin

7 warbikers w/ slugga choppa inc. boss nob w/ big choppa
5 warbuggies w/ rack of rokkitz

battlewagon w/ deff rolla

>speed freeks y/n?

What does /40kg/ think of army lists that are just a few points over the point limit? Would you allow it or would you say no?

>>53814931
Yeah the power is just for quick or narrative games where the balance doesn't matter as much.

>>53814937
Personally I don't give a fuck if its 5 points or so. But there are a lot of competitive screachers who would.

>>53814936

I assume the two mobs of 12 Boyz go in Trukks? Looks solid enough overall.

>>53814937
with my circle we wouldnt care, if it was like a commisar or some shit that put you over, but not if its ten points over because you dropped in like, a baneblade

>>53814937
Last edition it was fine if it was over by less than 5 points. This edition it's not fine because points costs aren't almost all multiples of 5 anymore. Don't do it.

>>53814947
It seems like most people don't care if it's less than 5-10 points. I've built a 1500pts list but it's just 3 points over and my WYSIWYG autism refuses to change any wargear to make it lower.

>>53814937
You will be called a fag and a troll for making list that is over point limit, but ppl are ok with it.

>>53814937
Depends how easy it is to get things down under the limit. If it's a case of rejigging upgrades, maybe counts-as-ing a combiweapon as a basic bolter or a power sword as a basic chainsword say, I'd probably expect them to get their list under the limit. But for some armies that's difficult, necrons for example have fewer customisation options so tend to take their points in bigger chunks, so I'd be more forgiving with them.

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>>53814950
>tfw you forget to include trukks in your kult of speed

At least I'd costed them in:
1499: battalion (6cp)

warboss on warbike w/ slugga, power klaw
big mek on warbike w/ kustom force field

mek w/ slugga, choppa

19 boyz w/ shootas + 1 big shoota inc. boss nob w/ kustom shoota, big choppa
12 boyz w/ slugga, choppa inc. boss nob w/ slugga, power klaw
12 boyz w/ slugga, choppa inc. boss nob w/ slugga, power klaw
10 gretchin

7 warbikers w/ slugga choppa inc. boss nob w/ big choppa
5 warbuggies w/ rack of rokkitz

battlewagon w/ deff rolla

trukk w/ big shoota, wreckin' ball
trukk w/ big shoota, wreckin' ball