Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

pls pls tell me how is mechanized orks looking this edition , i havent kept up with anything

3 truks 1 battlewagon 4 deffkoptas 20 shoota boys and 30 slugga boyz, big mek and warboss

Reposting cause i caught the tail end of the thread.

So is MSU still the way to go for tactical squads specifically blood angels?

Can we talk about Shadow War here

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Oh my god Creed had been planning for 8th all along.

>>53794283
why don't you read the rules, try playing it, and then report back.

>>53794295
>Cadian 8th
>Warhammer 8th edition
>Guardsman spam
CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

But really, that's a hell a lot of models. Its very cool to look at.

>>53794295
Needs more guardsmen.

>>53794302
what rules ? just wondering if my speed freeks are good or not

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How do I pick a faction?

>>53794329
I mean... it's photoshopped duping of a small group of models. So I guess that's impressive. Somehow.

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Do you guys make special characters for your armies?

>>53794329
bro its the same 20 models cut and pasted all over

Anyone got the art of the terminator fighting the armless space marine in the rain?

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>53794344
Just pick what fluff you like the most, duh.

>>53794346
>it's photoshopped
I couldn't tell at first but now I see it. God fucking damnit.

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>tfw I'm still torn about which army I want to work on and have actually lapsed into doing nothing because I don't know I actually want to do and its overwhelming

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I'm bored making lists, which is best?

>>53794344
Pick fluff you like, cross reference with play style, pick imperium version.

Like transhumanism? Like hard as rock units? Admech.

Like elites? Like fast and fragile? Scions.

>>53794356
>make special characters

Why when you could take OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR NAMED CHARACTER WITH BETTER RULES as opposed to being able to make your own dude. You can't even fluff it anymore because of factions and named characters only buffing their faction.

>>53794373
Are you using battlescribe to do that?

Also I'd give feedback but I'm currently making my first list.

>>53794389

>admech and scions
>not Covens and kabal

>>53794373
Hive guard spam one
;^]

>>53794373
Probably the middle one. I have yet to brainstorm a good use for Raveners and the list on the right has almost 0 anti-armor capability.

>>53794392
He is using this.
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

>>53794419
Meant to link >>53794400 for https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

I really don't know how that happened.

>>53794409
It sucks, but imperium is always going to be protected by imperial privelege.

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>>53794419
>>53794431
>No Imperial Guard

Been years since I last looked into 40k, but are Orks still a shooty army pretending to to be smashy, or can you now play them as a close combat army?

>>53794367
work on one at a time

>>53794441
>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

>no Imperials at all other than knights and marines

what kind of heresy is this

>>53794445
CC is greatly improved in 8th, probably the best it's ever been as far as I know.

Orks can go NUTS in close combat now.

>>53794441
>>53794468
It's not even remotely up to date, reading the news blurbs the maintainer seems to have had some computer troubles recently. You'll either have to make lists by hand or use the 8th ed battlesribe files.

>>53794441
>>53794468
Its work in progress and has some errors, like with Tyrant Guard and Hive Guard.

>>53794419
>middle one
Damn I was hoping you wouldn't say that one, someone else is already running mutliple units of hive tyrants and It'd feel like I'm ripping off of him
>Raveners
Same. They seem better than much of anything else for digging out those pesky sniper teams though.
>0 anti-armor
I was hoping I could get within range to put both stealer units' rending claws to use and perhaps the broodlord as well but they would be priority targets.

>>53794431
>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

Thank you so much for this link Anon, it'll be useful for making my Space Wolves list. Russ Bless

ran a parking lot list for IG no hatch to shoot out of is rough.

>>53794294
I guess, since it's a 40K-related game, but SWAG has its own general threads too.

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>>53794485
>hive tyrants
hive guard I mean.

>>53794456

That's the problem. I don't know which army I want to work on. I just sort of accumulated shit over time

>>53794503
What shit do you have? And what do you mean by work on? Modeling or lists?

>>53794482
Link to the Battlescribe files? I haven't been able to find them.

>>53794468
It's literally one dude maintaining it in his spare time, be patient.

>>53794495
Had
Not anymore

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>>53794367
Roll a dice

If I want to do a low-ish model count brawler combat army, what would the options be?

>>53794502
>>53794485
You could drop a unit of Hive Guard and some change for a Harpy. With their spore mine rule and two Stranglethorn canons they seem pretty strong.

>>53794520
You'll need to possibly put Battlescribe on the alpha channel updates under options then download https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/tree/40k8eprep
Put them in a folder or in your data folder

Just finished reading Mechanicum.

Do we know what the deal with the missing book will be, or is it a future mystery that'll never be answered because it's far more important to add more Marines v Spiky Marines lore?

>>53794587
Also note this is only on the desktop version, you can apparently get it to work with android but it's more effort than it's worth.

>>53794561
A die, dice is the plural form.
You cannot roll a singular plural because it is many. It's like saying they are a good friend.

>>53794445
Ork Boyz are now perhaps the most cost efficient melee unit, with easy access to insane force multipliers

>>53794516
Modeling.

I have a bunch of dark eldar that I bought to start up and kinda hit a period where I didn't have time to work. Then, I was basically handed 2 Calth boxes (paid ~$125 for 2) and then a BoP box for about as much, so I figured I'd start CSM/HH, which was my other contemplation anyway. Timing was right because my one store also had a. Blowout sake and I got 40% off of some termies, raptors, and an actual CSM squad I didn't really need. As I'm working on those, I stumble on another deal from a friend who's cousin was selling some unopened dark eldar, so I paid another $100 for a whole bunch of unopened shit (2 raiders, warriors, wyches, and a bunch of hellions). On top of that though, I bought a bunch of shit from china to go with the Marines like weapons and upgrades.

I like both, and that's the problem. I'm torn.

>>53794445
Orks are now arguably the best CC army in the game.

>>53794546
What happened? I could've sworn they were still around a few days ago.

>>53794586
I really really like the harpy but the degradation worries me. When it drops wounds doesn't it get useless?

>>53794585
Custodes, grey knights or some variation of a dreadnought army.

>>53794611
Sounds like an awesome fight waiting to happen, I'd start with the DE and then move onto the CSM when you need a break

>>53794585
Grey Knights with Paladins or Dark Angels Deathwing, with Deathwing Knights.

>>53794622
>>53794607
>I2

>>53794684
>I
What's this?

>>53794684
>I
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE CHARGE GOES FIRST EVERY GAME

>>53794684
>8th
>initiative

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>>53794633
When it gets to 6 (half) wounds it goes down to BS 5+, its how all Monsters and Vehicles work now. But the goal is to have other big scary things to shoot at too. Pic sort of related.

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>>53794684

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What the fuck is the purpose of intercessor marines? it seems like you would be better off with a 10man tactical squad or sternguard veterans.

>>53794714
They look fuckin' rad

>tfw want to play as a modern human army but hate the imperium
Life is pain.

>>53794714
TactiCOOL

>>53794734
Renegades that haven't fallen to Chaos yet.

Pirates.

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>>53794684

>>53794283
deffdreads are pretty good. idk about their vehicles.

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>>53794734
>tfw some autogynephile has a shit opinion

>>53794734
Here's what you do.
Play Tau and kitbash so you have gue'vessa.

>>53794714
Looking cool enough to convince Timmy he should buy the same thing twice. Also serving as expensive truescale tacticals.

>>53794696
>>53794700
>>53794706
>>53794713
>>53794749

Haha, tricked, noobz.

>>53794356
Sometimes ill house rule special characters and I'll play non competitive games with them. Absolutely. I love custom modeling them too.

>>53794734
If you want to run renegades/rebels, just buy Anvil Industries bits. You're golden.

>>53794755
>autogynephile
That word doesn't mean what you think it means, you projecting pornfag.

>>53794743
>BS2

>>53794757
Tau are too high tech though.

>>53794419
Is anyone using Lictors ? They can finally do lictor things

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>>53794802
>doesn't try to deny that he's an autogynephile

>>53794802
Play bolter bitches then.

>>53794283
Battle Wagons are better with their deff rollas, but they're only T8 if you give them a cover. Gotta choose between Open Topped shooting or having a tough wagon in combat.

Ram those trukks into combat with their boyz, Sluggas can shoot into combat in or out of it.

Deffkoptas are good for fast flanking and dropping bombs or killsaw attacks.

>>53794802
>BS 2

Renegades have Militia Training for BS 3, specifically for people who want renegade military instead of rabble.

>>53794356
damn, from the thumbnail I thought the trukk was his left arm

>Betrayal at Calth
>has MKIV marines not MKIII
>Has cataphractii

>Burning of Prospero
>has MKIII
>has Tartaros not Cataphractii

They have to make things difficult, dont they

>>53794684
Shut up you cock smoker, before I beat you to death with my balls.

>>53794734
Do what GSC does. Take Imperial Guard detachments, use different models, and call them something else.

>>53794714

Only thing I can see is that they are better as objective taker. They have better range and have two wounds unlike the normal tactical marines.

Does artillery ignore cover saves gained by being obscured?

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This is my start to an Emperors Children army and I need some help finishing it.

Any suggestions?

>>53794865
Not unless it says it does

>>53794865
Does it say so on the weapon profile? If not, no.

>>53794587
Ah I get an error when I try to import the Necon data file.

>>53794714
>What the fuck is the purpose of intercessor marines?
To be a reasonable argument against the people denying that Marinelets will slowly be phased out.

Also, they lack the special/heavy weapon operatives of 40K Tactical squads, so they're closer to the old, less tactically flexible wall 'o' boltguns 30K-era Tactical squads, just like how Cringeblasters are analogus to 30K Tactical Support squads. They don't have any additional rules for things like concentrated bolt rifle fire, so the just come out as a less flexible Tactical Squad with +1 W and A, and somewhat better bolters.

>>53794886
I'm pretty sure you don't import individual army datafiles, try just importing Warhammer40k.gst

>>53794680

Yea, I might do that then. After watching a few videos, I'm kind of regretting only having one venom despite liking the appearance of raiders more. I also want at least one Razorwing, and holy fuck ravagers. Ugh. This isn't helping.

>>53794863
Barely even that, since Objectives are determined by model number.

>>53794899
Oh shit, I'm an idiot sorry.

>>53794870
You have very little anti-armor tranny bro

>>53794841

I feel you. NL look so much better in mk4, but I fucking love tartaros armor and want to REEE shit with lightning claws.

Would 2 Immortals, an A. Immortal, and 2 death marks be a good starter team for SWA?

>>53794903
Don't worry about the list yet, first get started working on your shit

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Very quick and dirty list I can do with what I've got and a couple of boxes.
I have a feeling I'll need more anti-armour, amongst other problems.

>>53794940
This has already been disproven

>>53794968
Link?

Will Mandrakes ever be good?

>>53794917
I'm a little rusty on my EC lore. Is there a certain anti-tank unit they tend to favor more? Like are they all about predators, havocs, etc, or do they just go with whatever?

>>53794973
Rules are in the OP

>>53794968

Post your proof.

>>53794979
I don't know, sorry

>>53794989
Let me try again, page number of rule that "disproves" this?

>>53794979
Think either havocs or Predators work. Most of the time Emperor's Children are either blasting things with sonic cannons or slapping them with swords

Other than that, take a few helbrutes and make them into walking torture machines.

>>53794999
Nice digits, go read the rulebook.

>>53795012
>says bullshit
>gets called out
>uh.. it's in the rules lol, you just missed it!

>>53794968
>>53794989
>>53795012
What do you mean by "disprove"? What part of that is incorrect?

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>>53795012
I have, show me where this doesn't work. The trips compel you. Unless you're just madposting

How do you deal with hordes as Dark Eldar?

>Still no TTS game
Conscriptfags are all talk

>>53794976
They're not terrible now. 5++ save with -1 to hit could be worse, 2 S4 -1 shots is good, and they have 3 S4 attacks each in melee while keeping their hit penalty. In addition to their Deepstrike of course. All in all not terrible.

>>53795043
Warrior spam.

>>53795043
Fly around them on your zippy hover boats?

>>53795075
But what do you do when the IG has between 10 and 666 conscripts around every objective?

>>53795043

By not playing 8th

>>53795028
>>53795033
>>53795038
lol get a load of these retards sperging out

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>>53795010
How's this?

I'm thinking about modeling the heldrake to have a big speaker in his mouth so he's blasting guys with sound instead of fire.

>>53795091
>666 conscripts around every objective
"Every" seems to imply more than one
Are you playing a 4,000+pt game against a guard player who literally is bringing over a thousand models?

>>53795043
I wouldn't worry about it, hordes have already been blown the fuck out in every single batrep online so far. They're trash.

>>53795109
I'm honestly curious. Would you please tell us the error you see in that breakdown?

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>>53794356
I kitbashed and fluffed the fuck out of my archon for my dark eldar army.

She was a noble who went into hiding during Vect's insurrection, and spentseveral millenia hiding out on the street, before turning to a haemonculus for some education.

She learned how to craft poisons and her own Talos pain engines, but had to submit to body experimentations as well. The haem experimented with growth hormones to let her grow her own wings instead of the usual grafting of wings that scourges receive. The grafting failed, leaving her with tattered wings, and it took some time before she gained enough influence to slowly build a kabal of her own.

>>53795115
asking a semi-serious question with memes really.

An IG player brings 150 conscripts. Is it even possible to kill that many dudes as dark eldar?

>>53795043
10 scourges with 4 splinter cannons is 45 splinter shots. However the problem is that they wound everything, including grots and conscripts, on a 4+, which is horribly inefficient.

>>53795115
Daily reminder that you can only take 3 detachments in 2000pt matched play.

How do I Flesh Tearers with Primaris marines? Bring Flesh Tearer characters?

Literally the only reason I want them or would use them but if it's just a paint job and rule-less faction tag then I don't feel like it would be worth it.

>>53795135
Good thing you've got those heroes to provide rerolls, huh?

>>53795136
Factually incorrect. The rulebook states that as a suggestion for tournament organizers. That's a far way off from a standard rule of for all matched play.

>>53794356
I have an OOE with plastic fucking warrior rending claws on him instead of crab claws because 15 year old me didn't know how to pin metal. Maybe I'll rip them off and give him tyrant guard claws in the future.

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>>53795158
>Here is the rule
>You can change it for your own event if you want
>JUST A SUGGESTION FACTUALLY INCORRECT
filename

>>53795155

I can't even be mad because it's fluffy. Deldar don't trust anyone, especially not other deldar.

>>53794772

Top Kek as we boys say

>>53794946

Looks pree dope Lukey boy

>>53795172
Except that it's not a rule. It literally says that it's a suggestion. You can choose to use that if you want, but it's not the default assumption of the game.

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Forge world indexes are released for e-book on saturday too, right?

I have 3 heavy artillery carriages I haven't even assembled. Boy, I hope they're not shit.

>>53795172
"If you are using matched play for an organized event such as a tournament, we suggest using the table below as a helpful guideline."

>>53795206

Not the relevant ones though, they come later

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>>53795172

>>53795206
Isn't it just the Marine and Choas indices coming out? Guard is later.

>>53795202
>>53795210
>>53795215
>autistic screeching continues

>>53795130
Everything about that is pretty fucking neato anon. Nice.

>>53795227
Yes, but from you.

>>53795227
What exactly are you trying to argue?

>>53795225
Every single model that is currently for sale by GW is featured in the index books that will be officially released on the 17th and are currently linked in the OP as digital leaks

>>53795242
>>53795248
They intentionally say dumb shit and defend it to the death every few threads to bait people. Don't bother.

>>53795249

FW not GW

>>53795249
No, he meant Forge World stuff. The Earthshaker carriage is a Forge World model.

>>53795227
>Your wrong and need to resort to mems about being autistic to make yourself feel better.

Kek

>>53795249
He's talking about the Forge World indicies, not the GW ones. The Guard and Xenos are not even up for pre-order yet.

>>53795202
It's a default assumption of matched play. ITC and all related events are following that restriction. If you're trying to avoid that restriction you're probably being a cheesy asshole and your opponent's shouldn't be playing you in serious games.

>>53795206
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY DREADCLAW DOES NOW

I FEEL NAKED WITHOUT IT

In Grey Knights, why can a 5-man Purgation squad only take four special weapons? It seems weird to be running around with four cannons and one dude with a sword.

Let's get back to the topic of beating hordes with dark eldar. Do I have to use the lame eldar to do this?

What do you guys do with your boxes?

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So using some SWA scouts and the DI box set, I managed to mix together a SM army. Any advice for it?
>>53795307
I like to collect mine.

>>53795307
dispose of some, have unassembled sprues in others.

>>53795307
Keep them for hauling around models or priming in

>>53795291

Y'vahra has energized me, I wanna see how the most aesthetic suit (R'varna) holds up

>>53795301

Hordes are beaten by hordes, so fortunately no eldar needed
Just conscripts

>>53795301
Do Drew Carry have any snipers to take out Commissars? Conscript-hordes are much more manageable when you're inflicting essentially double-casualties due to morale losses. That requires you to have something to take out the Commissars, though, such as an Eldar Ranger, or a non-Smite offensive power.

>>53795334

Only on an HQ and squad leader for a melee unit with 8" guns. I wish I was kidding.

>>53795301
You should be zipping around to get their chaaracters so the horde crumbles, facing large and moostly fearless units is exactly what your opponent wants.

>>53795334
Haemonculus can get a sniper rifle, that's about it. I might ally in death jesters.

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>>53795291
MY RENEGADES ARE BEING HELD HOSTAGE IN THE IG BOOK

Actually that's probably for the best since I have a feeling they'll have something like GSC where they can certain guard shit so they don't need to stat everything twice.

>>53795307
Well used models on ebay don't generally come with nice boxes so into the trash it goes.

>>53795345
That... is not promising. I suppose the melee unit? Alternatively, you could try to rely on your speed to reach the objective first, and try to hold them outside of the objective radius?

>>53795282
This, retarded hordefags on suicide watch

>>53795321
Do you just store them away then?

>>53795324
Do the sprues match the box?

>>53795326
I guess you cut the top out for priming?

>>53795371

Nope. Haemmys and Wrack get the Hex Rifle option, which is a 36" range, Heavy 1, S4 -1 D1 sniper. It can target characters and does an extra mortal wound on a 6+ to wound.

>>53795384
You can run hordes with 3 detachments just fine, what are you talking about?

>>53795392
They sprues don't match the box, I'm not anywhere near that organized. But I play AdMech so I don't have enough different sprues for it to really be an issue.

>>53795384
Literally the only reason we were even talking about this was for the 666 conscripts joke-army, which is an absolutely awful idea. Tournament limits on detachments won't negatively impact horde armies.

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>>53795384
>>53795406
>>53795426
Yep, three battalions full of whatever hoard you want will do just fine.

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How would a fluffy World Eaters army be like?

>>53795368
I hope we keep LD D6+4 i love it when my really shit unit of 10 gets a 10 while my regular commander gets a 5.

>>53795465
40-60 berserkers on foot, or 30 in boxes, with supporting dinobots/hellbrutes/raptors/talons

>>53795475
What about a hack and slash Knight? with a waterfall of blood coming off of its sword?

>>53795475

Shout BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD as loudly and autistically as you can while moving your plastic army men across the table before literally ripping the nearest living head off its shoulders

Anti Genestealer and Anti Swarmlord tech for space marines

Melta Flamer Assault cannon Heavy Flamer Multi Melta Thunderhammers Lascannons?

>>53795465
uncooperative mob of charge charge charge

>>53795487
I'm now imagining the interior plumbing in the Knight to supply a literal waterfall of blood coming off the sword, coming from from tanks deep in the hull. That's some real dedication to gore and pneumatics.

Terror from the Deep says that a mawloc can't charge the turn that ability is used.

Onslaught specifically states that the unit it is cast on can charge this turn.

Can you charge with a mawloc if you successfully cast onslaught on it?

Just finished the damage-calcs for Grey Knights, now working on the cost-efficiency calcs for them

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

>>53795487
slashy knights are pretty mediocre desu, they cost a bomb. Maybe for 2k+ games, but dont centre a force around one

>>53795489
Yes.

The melta flamer assault cannon heavy flamer multimelta thunderhammer lascannon is a great weapon vs Tyranids.

>>53795501
Onslaught RAI is talking about the restriction on charging after advancing.

FAQ will almost certainly tell you that you can't 'slaught a mawloc and then charge with it when it arrives.

>>53795489
Flamers are good, since genestealers don't have an armor save, the low AP isn't an issue. The issue is, the genestealer player might try to charge from out of flamer range negating your overwatch. Really, what you want is any ranged weapon with a lot of shots, and low AP to no AP. I mean obviously, Ap is a plus generally, but it will usually come with a cost somewhere else in the weapon's stats, and isn't relevant against genestealers.

>>53795501
Current rules are vague on the matter, and it ought to be FAQ'd. The wording of Onslaught seems to indicate that it was intended to allow a unit to advance and shoot without penalties, and then charge despite having advanced. Allowing units that have other rules that say they can't charge to now charge is likely outside of its intended functionality.

>>53795489
Volume of fire. Shit like storm bolters, asscannons, and massed heavy bolters are good against shit with a 5++ save. Autocannons, MLs, LCs, ect are all good against multi-wound models.

>>53795524
Huh, i felt the obvious. I thought RAI was clear that they wanted you to use this on units that can't charge, like summoned spore bombs.

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>>53795465
Maybe something like this?

>>53795496
I mean, if this was *actually* how they operated, they wouldn't have survived the Heresy (or even the Great Crusade), right?

>>53795489

conscripts

>>53795539
No, the whole purpose of Onslaught is to remove all the drawbacks of Advancing. I don't think it's supposed to interact with any other special rules. It's just a free Advance without shooting penalties or the charge restriction.

>>53795550
genestealers destroy conscripts though.

>>53795559

Not by a large margin
In anycase, a conscript blob to to kill the GS or just screen them, either or

>>53795558
Do you have a citation on that? It seems like a pretty clear design decision to me: they put in units with charging restrictions, and a psychic way to lift those restrictions. how could it not be more obvious?

>>53795512
Well im chaos so what about Double Gat Knights?

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Deathskulls or Blood Axes?

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>>53795475
I don't see Raptors/Talons in a World Eaters army though, they have their own cults and apparently their own god too.

Also, which are fluffier Helbrutes or Dinobots?

>>53795577
Which ever you put more skulls on.

>>53795569
You're reaching really far. The purpose of onslaught has always been removing the penalties for Run moves. Psychic Stimulus in the 7th GSC codex which was more similar to the new updated version was "can move and fire heavy weapons or run and charge". They just worded it badly this time.

The FAQ will be out in 3 days and then we'll know if I'm right Protip: I am

>>53795575
Flahgitz.

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Hey guys, new player here. Can't get the codex for chaos demons just yet, but I want to read up on the rules for my units.

(going to start by buying THIS kit)

The "plague drone" and "nurgling " rules aren't on the games workshop page, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks! Have a nice rest of your night guys

Praise the Spiritual Liege!

>>53795599
follow the links at the top of the page new fa- ...bro

>>53794192
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>en-JP

>Japanese errata

>>53795617
I apologize, thank you for the nudge

>>53795130
>tattered wings

Bleez pls

>>53795597
>The FAQ will be out in 3 days

Day 1 FAQ
And conscript nerf

>>53795627
FYI GW does not put 40k unit rules on their store page like it does for AoS. Only thing that will be free is the 12 page basic core rules.

>>53795569
The citation would be the rules-text of Onslaught itself. The power describes how it allows advancing and firing of weapons without the drawbacks for advancing, and then says "in addition" that the unit can charge, which most likely is in reference to how normally a unit cannot normally advance and charge in the same turn, and this power allows it to do so. The wording is sadly done poorly, but this will likely be covered by the first FAQ.

>>53795132

Pretty much no, conscripts are about the worst thing you can face as DE

What is the best Ynnari faction jetbike? Shining spears, skyweavers or reaver jetbikes?

I am planning a list of harlequin based ynnari with Yvraine and a shadowseer. I want two units of jetbikes one that will be words of the pheonix and the other that will be twilight pathed. This lets them have a 32" move on turn 1. My hopes is to target a unit and the character behind it in assault. When I kill the character I can have the twilight pathed unit of bikes soulbust, allowing them to attack or shoot twice.

I also want a big unit of harlequins players on foot that I can surprise strike with, If the enemy puts a unit too close to the front lines I can twilight path and then words of the pheonix the same unit of harlequins for a total of a 24" move.

Harlequin players got a huge buff with their invul save becoming 4+ instead of 5+ and the shadowseer's buff makes it like their toughness is a lot better.

>>53795575
DEFFSKULLS IS MADE FOR LOOTING AND WINNING

>>53795651

Actually, they might now with points being a pay option.

>>53795662
On top of that, there's the convention where army-specific rules override core rules, therefore a power that says the unit can charge in context of advancing overrides the part of the core rules where you cannot advance and charge. However the restriction on a Mawloc not being able to charge is an army-specific rule, so there's no clear hierarchy of whether that takes precedence or Onslaught does. Just more evidence of how Onslaught was intended to work.

Khorne Lord of Skulls, worth the points or waste of money?

>>53795569
How about how Onslaught (and The Horror, and Catalyst, etc.) worked in previous editions?

It was always run and assault/extra move/get your runny bits in faster.

>>53795639
>cannot take orders

I'd be ok with that as long as they still get Commissarred.

>>53795679
Maybe, though if they are they haven't said anything about doing so yet. I'd assume GW is going to milk players before I assume they'll do something sensible.

>>53795701

I think they will most likely lose the <REGIMENT> keyword.

>>53795549
Well during the crusade they were like Black Templars but with better weapons. Even there they took a loot of casualties very often.

From the Horus Heresy onwards the entire legion collectively went berserk when in battle. Thankfully they have Daemon Engines and human cultists to take care of vehicle roles.

>>53795701
I'm expecting them to errata the squad size down from 20-50 to 10-30.

How are Vanguard vets looking in 8th? Been considering running a Assault marine spam list for fun.

>>53795728
Nah, it's always been 20-50 (at least after they were Conscripted instead of Penal Legion).

>>53795724
shit. That works well.

>>53795725
So, at this point, they're damn near Boyz? Need a support team to supply their tech stuff, at which point they charge forward at the fight until there's no fight or no them?

>>53795738
Expensive.

>>53795728

Too harsh.

They will probably nerf conscript slightly, but they will remain a top unit.

GW is not gonna pass on WAACfags dropping $600 each on a conscript horde.

>>53795742
>it's always been 20-50
Doesn't mean anything. They change squad sizes all the time. They just changed a number of Tyranid ones. Many models which used to be included in units are now lone characters.

>>53794714

Can't believe people are still posting these kitbashes. Natfka proved they were fakes months ago.

https://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2017/03/rumors-new-larger-marines-coming-heres.html

>>53795742
Tau are now having to deal with their Crisis Suits changing from 1-3 to 3-9. Single-suit units are completely gone. I wouldn't put changing conscript unit sizes past GW.

>>53794283
I have seen trucks survive entire games. I'm planning to get three more.

>>53795632
hadnt even considered bleez...she'd be more khornate though, no?

>>53795742
>shit. That works well.

Indeed.

Simple, takes orders out of the equation, prevents silly interactions with named characters but keeps commissars and priests useful.

>>53795689
Worth every point. They were always good, just too expensive. Now they are actually affordable (still overpriced).

>>53795547
>lascannon helbrutes
Unfluffy.

I'm making a space wolf army

So far I have a sniper squad, Wulfen squad, Iron priest and I just purchased Primaris intercessors and primaris captain.

Did I do good? I figure I need a transport and some kind of anti vehicle unit now?

>>53795751
>GW is not gonna pass on WAACfags dropping $600 each on a conscript horde.
They will if it means the tournament scene develops a terrible stigma right at the launch of their brand new edition that's trying to bring back all the people who left over the past few editions because of terrible balance.

>>53795779

Henche why slight nerf to tone them down as top dogs istead of silly op like they are now

>>53795770
Well shit how else am I gonna deal with back line vehicles?

>>53795762
Top kek

I will never understand how some people are so bad at telling the legit leaks from the fake ones.

>>53795297
You can ask the same question for Devastators, Havocs, and most heavy weapons squads actually.

what should i put on the tempestor in my scion squad?
fist, sword, or chainsword?

>>53795788

Obliterators of course.

Oh, wait...

>>53795747
They are essentially very tough, completely insane orks. Charge up the battlefield with supernatural speed along with just as insane Helbrutes, Blood Slaughterers and Maulerfiends that will take care of anything their chainaxes can't.

>>53795571
I'm considering that build if/when I finally decide to get a Knight. So much delicious dakka...

>>53795667
not sure. back in 6th it was skyweavers >= reaver > shining spears. i'm tempted to say skyweavers are the best but each is still good

I kind of hate seeing other peoples painting.
It show cases how awful mine is.

>>53795794

Chainsword and rod

Keep it cheap.

>>53795788
Charge them like the rest.

>>53795802
Sucks to suck, get gud, thin your paints, praise saint duncan

I've basically never painted a model in my life until a few weeks ago when I started my skitarii and they're coming out amazing (no pics right now sadly because all I have is my shitty laptop camera)

>>53795748
Do you know if they're worth the investment? It's no huge deal as I'm a pretty casual player, but I like to kit them all out with Thunder Hammers and Storm shields so I can see them being a risk.

>>53795805
>command rod
i mean the sergeant of a standard squad
but just go with the basic pistol and chainsword anyways

>>53795708

They're already milking playing with $25 indexed that will be in validated within 1-2 months when codexes drop

>>53795790

I will always remember when Naftka put my fake SoB formations up on their site. My proudest moment

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Rate my stug styled Leman Russ, cross posted at /wip/

>>53795836
Haha, oh you're that guy. Nice bro.

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>>53795788

Wait for the forgeworld index and assault them with your flamer fists

working on slowly building up an ork army, all i have is some nobz and boyz and a warboss. would it be better to get lootas for more firepower or tankbustas for the antiarmor?

>>53795788
Wait for the FW chaos index and use a leviathan dread or any of the other HH goodies we are getting

>>53795819
Sorry that came off as dickish bragging, I was trying to say if I can do it just from watching duncan videos, you probably can.

They're not kidding about the two thin coats. It is life changing. The first coat you do will look sorta bad because it will be sloppy and go outside the lines and be a bit splotchy because its too thin to cover up the primer neatly, and you have to realize that's how it's supposed to look and that's okay.

The first time you wait a few hours for that to dry and come back and start the second coat, and you get that first stroke of smooth, clean, vibrant color over the messy splotchy one, it's orgasmic.

So, Maulerfiends have 4 attacks, hit on a 4+, with 12 wounds and infernal regeneration. The magma cutters are D3 melta-pistols now.

Are they still worth it?

>>53795846

You know it. I wish someone would've let me use them. Just once. I had fun making those.

Got a mate who is thinking of jumping into 40k for the first time, and he's eyeing off Nids. Being that I've never played the bugs, I need some opinions. Is the Start Collecting box any good?

>>53795850
Oh fug, I forgot about those entirely. Can't wait to cram a bunch of zerkers in it and laugh in the face of ranged armies.

>>53795819
My Dangles from Dark Vemgeance aren't terrible, but my Deldar are looking grim. I can't edge highlight to save my life.

>>53795874
Nids are not a good first army. SC is fine though

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>>53795865
>when the second coat on the shoulder is just right

I was giddy. Not gonna lie

>>53795874
It's a lot better now than it was, but the best way to get started with nids is the swarm box.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Tyranid-Swarm

Be warned it's a fuckload of models for someone just starting out.

>>53795874
get the tyranid swarm box.

>>53795882
Try thinning the highlights more and using a smaller brush. That's the best advice I can give without actually seeing the models. Highlights are supposed to be subtle.

>>53795888
>>53795894
Hard to get something listed as out of stock.

Thinking of taking this list for a 8th ed opening day free play on Saturday.

What do you think?

23 Conscripts xx 69 points
Pask, Lascannon, Punisher xx 217
LR Battle Tank, Lascannon xx 174
LR Battle Tank, Lascannon xx 174
LR Demolisher, Lascannon xx 192
LR Executioner, Lascannon xx 172
998 Points
4CP

Conscripts are to make a line in front of my Pask and Battle Cannons to block charges. Mostly a fun list.

>>53795903
see if a local games workshop has it in stock.

>>53795901
I just don't have the aim for it, and was trying for a band than just kicking out the edges, as I'm an idiot.

>>53795907
Looks like it could be... okay. I don't know what else you've got in your collection but I would probably drop one of the battle cannon russes for more infantry.

>>53795776
Land Raiders are pretty cool right now. I've played a few games so far with a big pack of blood claws in a LR, it gets them safely up they field, they wreck shit, and the land raider does a lot of damage, and only has died 1 game, after 2 rounds of shooting from grav cannon devs and 10 las cannons.

>>53795910
Question OP here - we are Aussiefags, Jesus fucking Christ the price difference between the US and AUS prices on that are filthy

>>53795927

Just watch out for them exploding. That shits 1d6 mortal wounds to everything in 6"

>>53795914
Best way to paint is to stabilize your wrist on the edge of the desk or table instead of lifting your arm and trying to freehand unsupported.

>>53795922
I was going to bring a 40 cons list too, the shop is opening at 10am until 2am so I really want to get a lot of games in with different list, but I really wanted to field all (5) of my tanks.

>>53795938
I feel like 5 tanks is too many at only 1k points, in a larger game it might work better. But what do I know, 8th edition is brand new, go ahead and try out crazy shit and let us know how it does.

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>>53795930
>talking about SoB special weapons
>mention I have ~$260 worth of weapons over 23 weapons
>get asked if I am kiwi
>mfw burger bucks

>>53795931
Yeah, definitely want to save a command point re-roll for that shit.

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>>53795465

Can you start the game in a Land Raider? I would say so but I'm not sure transport rules apply to all transports or only dedicated transports.

>>53795945
>tfw sisters

1000pts - 6CP
Batallion
Canoness w/Bolt Pistol and Axe
Canoness w/Combi-flamer and bolt pistol

Sisters x5 w/Mela x2
Sisters x5 w/Mela x2
Sisters x5 w/Mela x2
Sisters x5 w/Mela x2
Sisters w/Flamer, Heavy Flamer

Immolator w/Immolation Flamer
Immolator w/Immolation Flamer
Immolator w/Immolation Flamer
Immolator w/Immolation Flamer
Immolator w/Immolation Flamer

Where Shadow War threads was gone?

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>>53795931
>mfw playing Tyranids in 8th
>mfw monstrous creatures with 10+ wounds "explode" now when they die on a 6 just like vehicles and shit mortal wounds all over whatever they were in CC with
>mfw this is fucking awesome and I never realized how much I needed this until we got it

So did I read the Canticles of the Omnissiah correctly in that I lose them completely if I run even a single allied unit that's not Admech? Even if it's an Imperial assassin in an auxilliary detachment?

Sniper scouts
Iron Priest
Wulfen
Primaris Intercessors
Primaris Intercessors
Primaris Captain

Where do I go from here guys? Should I add a tank? anti tank unit?

>>53796020
It's if you have a non-Canticles unit in the same detachment as other AdMech units. Like if you have a single assassin in the same detachment as other AdMech units then the AdMech units in that detachment don't benefit from Canticles.

>>53796020
You only lose it if you mix non-AdMech units into the same Detachment, not the same army. So you can run the Assassin in his own Aux Detachment and be fine.

>>53796017
Dead game kill by 8th

Shame too, I really like Shadow wars but everybody at my gaming store is focused on 8th

>>53795930
I can't justify paying dollarydoos in store outside maybe one purchase in 3.

Ebay I can get a SC box for 2/3rds of a bricks and mortar store, including postage.

>>53795990
Yes

>>53795983
When you understand that 20 berserker= 200 attacks

>>53795990
It's all transports.

The only difference between a Dedicated Transport now and regular ones is that DT is a new FoC slot.

>>53796018
fuck yeah acid blood for days

>>53796064
Acid Blood is actually a separate rule.

There are two MCs that have both Acid Blood AND Death Throes.

>>53796071
fuck yeaaa

>>53795839
when it's painted I will.

>>53795839
tank autism that ruined a whole night of threads/10

The normal Russ looks better.

>>53795321
First tactical cant take that rocket, heavies are only given at the 10 model mark

>>53796031
>>53796030
Ah, great, thanks. It's time to wryyyy.

Speaking of which, has anyone tried out the assassins yet? They seem pretty decent as character killers for 70-80 points.

So I hear Deathwatch still doesn't have Apothecaries. When will the pain end?

>>53796115
r u grill???

>>53796110

I used a Vindicare. He rolled a 1 on his first shot, and I forgot to shoot him in round 2.

>>53796029
You lack both tanks and anti-tanks. Which is why you should acknowledge anon's answer here >>53795927 because a (classic) Land Raider would answer both of those needs (for a price). You can also consider Las-Preds. Autocannon-Preds seem godlike on paper but more in an anti-infantry role, so you should probably add some long fangs with lascannons on top of it.
I would probably advise some metal bawkses if you didn't go for the Primaris meme.
I'm pretty sure Space Wolves don't simply call Sniper Scouts 'Sniper Scouts', it doesn't sound wolfy-wolf enough

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>>53796115
I... think you posted in the wrong thread...

>>53795766

by moving to commander spam

>>53796130
Sadly yes. I hope that they tweak prices such that it makes sense to take Crisis Suits instead of spamming Commanders in most situations. That's just weird.

>>53796111
THEY AREN'T THE LIFEWATCH

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>>53796115
>>53796127

What's a good target number for Shoota/Slugga boys?

In terms of Total count/Models per Unit
Gonna start batch painting soon so I wanna do groups schemes to tell units apart on the field.

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>>53796121
S-sorry... I'm cute, tho.
>>53796127
I think I need to sleep, my apologies for my indiscretions...

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>>53796174
No, please, continue.

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Would this actually work or would everyone hate me?

>>53794356
I made several custom sorcerers for Thousand Sons. Some represent book characters and some I have yet to name

>>53796174
if not grill fuck off to /b/ where you belong

>>53796203
How are you fitting this into 3 Detachments.

>>53796174
You faggots alwsys fishing for attention, even on mongolian origami boards. Please kill yourself before you die from AIDS, autogynephile.

>>53796139

What is wrong with more commanders than troops?

>>53795575
I used to be a Bloodaxe Fan, but then i realised that
a) doing camo on hordes is tedious as fuck
b) converting vehicles is the best part of the hobby
Been blue team ever since.

>>53796196
>avatarfag is also a gay shitposter enabler
Like pottery.

>>53796219
i mean he could just be an ordinary faggot.

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>>53796203
sweet christmas

>>53796171
30. You want to stay fearless as long as possible. All those mathhammer kids calculating a 30 boy charge are idiots. You'll usually end up with 10-20 boyz in assault if you footslog a 30 boy mob. You willlose lots of models, so you want to bring lots of models.

>>53796203
I'd be worried about possibly not having enough small-arms fire. Autocannons and flamers are nice, but I'm not sure you have enough to deal with something like a Guard list with a couple hundred men. Infantry tend to be more efficient, and running all-mechs may be problematic in that regard.

Don't mind >>53796210, but you should arrange it into detachments. At present, you'd be wanting a Vanguard and a bunch of Auxiliaries, but you could throw another couple HQs in to be able to make it a trio of Vanguards for many more CP.

>>53796210
magic

Guys, do we have a copy of the Dark Imperium ebook?

Sorry if this is a dumb question. I did look through the MEGA links.

>>53795839
Sorry to say, but that gun elevation is shit.
It'll have to be going downhill to shoot a target directly ahead of it.

>>53796237
SMASHING!

>>53796221
At-present, Commanders are superior to Crisis in almost every regard. The only thing Commanders are worse at is being multiple models. It's not a small difference either. Virtually any job you'd consider doing with a trio of suits would be better done with a pair of commanders, to the point that crisis may as well not exist. Units shouldn't have strictly superior alternatives.

>>53796210
>>53796241
2 vanguard detachments, just need a second HQ

>>53796238
I was looking at 30 too yeah, just wondering if 20 boyz in a waggon might also be something.
Or maybe hold out untill the FW book is released to see if there's some worthwhile mob transports there.

>>53796207
>have to listen to 'chadmarine' and 'marinelet' without anyone being told to fuck off to /fit/
If I have to suffer, everyone suffers!

>>53796203
I'd clang my dredd's n kanz into that.

>>53796210
Why does it need to be in three detachments? I thought that was only a suggestion for tournaments.

>>53796271
see
>>53796255

>>53796255
Yeah took away calgar and put in 2 captains and it would work out.

>>53796254

whoosh

>>53796255
You could run an Ultramarine Vanguard detachment led by the Calgarnaught, and another one led by whoever-is-that-Dread-HQ-I-don't-remember (Salamanders?)

THE PROBLEM WITH TAU

They are the only army designed for military efficiency, everyone else revolves around rule-of-cool gimmicks.

>>53795667
Spears are expensive but really nasty now. they keep their AP in combat even after they charge

>>53796266
Manlet is a sitewide meme. Take your mental illness back to /lgbt/

>>53796283
Theres a badab war dreadnought hq that uses ultramarine tactics, hes a novamarine character if im not mistaken.

>>53796292
Had its origin on /fit/.
Take your NEET-induced intolerance back to /pol/

>>53796301
shut the fuck up dummy

Finally finished cost-calcs for Grey Knights!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

Calling it quits for the night, will work on AdMech tomorrow. Is anyone getting anything useful out of this? And any requests for after AdMech?

>>53796283
I don't think that's available yet through FW, only chapter specific is Vulkan
>>53796276
Marneus kinda makes the list