Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>53785484
First for Slaanesh!

The swarm hungers!

>>53785484
First for WAAC fags are cancer and the game would be better off without them

Second for Magnus

Oh fuck you I was going to ask for list C&C but now thanks to your shitty OP we're going to have the same argument for 400 posts. Wanker.

>>53785484
they look even worse proportioned than manlet marines

>tfw start with Thousand Sons
>tfw realize there's basically no customization in the entire army

Rubrics, Scarab Occult, Sorcerors. That's all it feels like Thousand Sons have.

Highlight from the last thread:

Somebody didnt understand that Starship Troopers was satirical

>>53785581
Tzaangors, too.

>>53785487
>>53785488
Magnus still has Janus running around with presumably uncorrupted Shard, however.
>>53785549
Anyone here had any experience playing him in 8th? How was he?
>>53785581
You have Tzaangors for troops, DPs and Sorcs for HQ and then a host of various Heavy picks.

>>53785458
Yes, they do. We don't know the true specifics, but in the process of becoming a daemon prince your soul is owed, eaten by, or otherwise partially consumed by the deity in question. Then part is, effectively, replaced with their essence. Daemon Princes do seem to remain a high level of independence.

This is why undivided daemon princes have been going away. The only remaining ones are Daemon Primarchs, and Belakor. Because...which patron god corrupted their soul? So it has to be some weird unity, where they'll fight over who owns that soul later. Not commonplace for the gods to do anything in unity.

>>53785273

For fucks sake, are you still bitching about this?

How do your lists compare to 7th now chaps? My deldar list comes to:

2025 in 7th
2000 in 8th
104 power points

Pretty balanced I'd say!

>>53785605

Oh, yeah, Tzaangors too.

Delete this thread

>>53785597
I feel like there are three camps of people that like Starship Troopers:

One group likes it just for the cheesy action and the "ham" stuff (as in going ham).

The second for how it was a satire of fascism and such.

The third missing out on the satire and liking it because of the fascism and such.

The groups that don't like it perfectly mirror the groups that do.

>>53785581
ignoring daemonic allies in cult armies is silly

Daemonettes seem pretty good at dealing with conscript spam.

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>>53785662
How about you delete yourself?

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Requesting a drawfag for a Valkyrie and Leman Russ engaged in melee. (And yes, a Valkyrie can enter Hover mode then legally charge)

>>53785621
My Grey Knights in 7th:
2000 points on the dot.
My Grey Knights in 8th:
2445 points.
>feelsbadman.jpg
...Rhino's, Dreads and Raiders are expensive now.

Say, is there any Grey Knight unit that is actually cheaper in 8th than in 7th?

Which is the most weeb faction:
Chaos with their notice me senpai ugu bullshit or tau with their mecha-rai?

What happened man, 18 Ork boyz with 2 Boss Nobs dead to 1 pathfinder squad & one fire warrior squad in ONE turn, it was bollocks before, it's bullshit now.

>>53785665
I like it because it's hilariously over the top with a flagrant disregard for human life. Which camp does that put me in?

>>53785736
>Literal space japanese who have always been protrayed with asian ass accents and samurai pants
>Marines but evil

>>53785769
I think that falls in with fascism and such

>>53785733
Voldus. Although, people say he's even shittier, I fail to see how. I thought he got an improvement.

>>53785736
>chaos marines
>weeb
the only weeb thing in chaos is archon and that's a different game.
Daddy issues doesn't make you a weeb

>>53785752
luck spikes happen

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Someone asked for this last thread

>>53785772
They're only evil because they want senpai to notice them.

Has the Meka Dread lost the ability to be an HQ?

>>53785736
>most weeb
tau or eldar, depending on what brand of weeb you're trying for

the joke is that the actual japs prefer the imperial guard and space marines for their space nazi looks

Anyone know how My Will be Done interacts with the "always miss on 1" rule? Is a BS5 (+2 hit) Necron next to an overlord going to simply autohit?

>>53785769
I'd peg it as satire and ham
>>53785793
that doesn't make a lot of sense

>>53785769
If you like it because its silly then you're probably in the first camp.

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>>53785484
>>53785540
Female Slaaneshi Marines!

Chaos Tau when?

Seriously, I want my Crisis Suits with barbed, serrated naginata.

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>>53785875
I don't think Slaneeshi followers can be described by a single gender.

>>53785890
>what is farsight enclaves

>>53785540
How are you structuring your list these days?

>>53785855
a 1 always misses.

>>53785855
Gee I dont know maybe you should just read the rules and apply basic logic

>>53785484
Who was this artist again?

We should find/make porn that resembles his precious characters and spam his twitter with them.

>>53785933
why would you do that? It seems like a lot of effort to go through for very little profit.

How would I go about getting only legs, bodies, and heads for orks? It's a shame to have all these unused arms laying around.

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>>53785945
>little profit
Lots of muscled girl porn.

>>53785949
Just buy more boyz goy.

>>53785945
Lots of rage also>>53785966

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Why ain't yer boyz <Freebooterz>?

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>>53785933
https://pantmonger.tumblr.com/tagged/Warhammer-40k

He actually didn't do a bad job with the fluff.

>>53785949
Buy a new box of boyz then use blue stuff to copy extra bodies to use the extra bits on.

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reposting for critique

>>53785985
Sounds inefficient my jude.

>>53785945
to see them scared, defenseless, beaten, and broken of course!

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60 Bloodletters
12 Bloodcrushers
4 Heralds on Chariots
Skulltaker
Bloodthirster to taste

c. 2000 pts with instruments
c. £250

Seems pretty reasonable for a full army with some good synergies.
will it get shredded by conscript blobs /tg/?

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Is there a tactics site up for 8th yet?

>>53785922
I don't want energy swords, I want to rip and tear.

>>53786008
I need to get better at using blue stuff.
So far my uruk crossbowmen resembled misshapen army men than anything.

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when emperors children gets an update what models do u think they will release, if they following same as 1ksons and dg im guess...

Noise marines obv
some type of hybrid cultists
maybe terminators?
extremely low chance but would love.. sonic dreadnought/hellbrute

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>>53785914
You would be correct.

>>53786006
This is pretty terrible.

Why is everyone starting an EC army?
Are there leaks of new models?

I'm just starting a new EC army but it seems everyone on /tg/ is too.

>>53786149
Everyone is making a guard conscript army.

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Found these today at a local sports gear shop that used to sell GW stuff in a small corner.

>>53786149
everyone on the internet claims to play the armies that no one irl plays
well, except DKoK fags

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>>53786194
inquisitor was a pretty great game, and a pretty awful game all at the same time.

Its dice wer epretty awesome though.

>>53786134
What is beautiful or perfect about skin that looks like it is melting off, spooky black orbs for eyes, and jagged-sharp teeth?

>>53786194
Why would a sports shop sell GW?

>>53786231
>slaanesh
>beautiful
Excess doesn't dictate either of these. Whilst Sigvald was one aspect of Slaanesh, there are more than one.

>>53786231
That's a vox grill. Not teeth.

And the eyes are so it can see more than even Space Marines can.

>>53786189
Or an army to beat guard conscripts. So far, I figure necron immortals, chaos daemonettes, and nid/gsc genestealers are fantastic conscript killers. Daemonettes are probably the best though, since you can deny the IG player the ability to fall back, and always strike first.

Has anyone noticed the insane amount of shit you can fit in a Guard army now?

>>53786203
I'm going to order the resin noise marine weapon bits, I hope no new models come out.

>>53786331
Yes, but it's a disadvantage for guard players because you get more command points for doing it.

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>>53786231
>being this mortal

>>53786350
>more command points
>bad
????????????

>>53786331
>Playing IG
>Not owning any russes
>I can't hold all these infantry
>8th comes out
>Russ spammers BTFO
>Infantry new meta
Feels good commisar.

>>53786006
>>53785484
What the fuck? I actually know this guy in person. Since when did he become a meme? Have some info btw.

> He uses Wood-elf heads with the ears shaved down for his models
> He runs them with Carcharadons Tactics
> Somewhere around 95% of his marines use jump packs, including the devastators and tacticals.

>>53786370
You know what you must do anon.

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>>53786366

Prepare the men.

>>53786370
>he buys from the grognard range
Eeugh.

>>53786412
>Implying Age of Sigmar has grognards

>>53786412
you kids ought to be grateful

>>53786370
>runs them with Carcharadons Tactics
>female marines who get Rage when there's blood
I see what he he did there.

>>53785484
Why do they have midget proportions? What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

>>53786430
Wait a minute, isn't that sexist?

>>53786447
Who cares?

>>53785803
He went from shit tier in 7e to best tier in 8e.

>>53786398
I'm on a new phone, so no pictures sorry. Anyway, the dude seems pretty ordinary and fun to be around. I wouldn't call him a degenerate since he's a good friend.

Also, the chapter is mostly ocean-world specialists. They use jump packs to get around, and favor Power Lances.

>>53785875
They shouldn't have skipped leg day.
>That or replace their pauldrons for better proportioned ones.

Are Primaris a good choice for a new player?

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>>53786447
>>53786430
M I C R O A G R E S S I O N

>>53786370
>around 95% of his marines use jump packs, including the devastators and tacticals

I don't like anything about this post but I have to ask for more info on this part.

>>53786115
Sonic Dreads
Noise Marines
Elite EC (so far DG and TS both got Terminators)
Duelist / Noble / partying cultists
Fulgrim

>>53786444
He probably commissioned some guy who didn't know 40k and gave him old space marine models as a reference.

>>53786425
He should buy SYLVANETH like well adjested people and not from the POS old range.

Right, I know it's well established that sergeants etc. don't cost extra points in 8th edition. I'm wondering about adding wolf guard pack leaders to space wolf squads though - as far as I can tell they only cost extra points if you put them in terminator armour, if they're in power armour they just cost the same as a blood claw/grey hunter/whatever. Is that right?

>>53785621
Illegal now. Can't run solo Obliterators or 3-man Terminators anymore.

Also, the mechstealer "Battletanx" army I had planned went from a single Cult Insurrection to requiring 26 Auxiliary detachments, and having -23 Command Points.

>Roses are red
>I love the new lore
>In the grim darkness of the far future
>There is only war

>>53786514
He models all of his dudes as using jump packs since they're ocean world specialists, and walking across an ocean floor is not exactly a productive enterprise. We just let him pay an extra 3 points per model to have everything use jump packs.

He does put them in pretty cool poses. Absolutely everything is in some kind of sprinting pose, with sand being kicked up around their feet and in clouds.

>>53786555
That doesn't rhyme.

>>53786542
>Right, I know it's well established that sergeants etc. don't cost extra points in 8th edition.

Unless you are Aspiring Sorc, in which case you cost 45 fucking points.

Good chunk of which is spent on a fucking force weapon.

>>53786571
There is no rhyme, only war.

>>53786567
That's pretty cool.

>>53786231
Xe is beautiful beyond your comprehension

Khorne can have sorcerors now.

>>53786567
>Jump packs are only worth three points

You're all fags.

>>53786614
Proof?

>>53786614
No he can't

Does anyone think that minor characters like Aun’Do and captain Solaq from the damocles crusade stuff will get rules for 8th like they had in 7th?

>>53786614
No he can't.

>>53786567
How do you get the kicked up sand/dust effect? Pics?

>>53785665

Think you're mostly on the money. I don't like the movie for all three of those reasons though.

Way too hammy.

As an argument against fascism it is pretty juvenile.

As fascist propaganda it is pretty juvenile.

>>53786547

I meant your 8th lists back priced not your 7th translated to 8th

>>53786614
No they can't.

So, could anyone explain a newb how this whole command benefits and detachments work out? I don't think I get this right.

According to the Angels of Death p92 sheet, there is the detachment for Salamanders stating that it would need at least 1 Core (1-2) and 1 (1+) auxilary choice (with an additional 0-3 command, but let's take this off for now).

Now, what counts as a "Core" choice, and what counts as an "auxilary" choice? Are the auxilaries only the ones stated on pg93 (and thus the ones from the core codex of SM)?

Also, As I think of it, would it be even possible to get the Detachment with even 1 Dread, 10 TacMarines, 1 Captain? I don't think it's possible regarding that those only make up for a Battle Demi Company (right?) which would be my (in my current PoV) be my core, correct?

This is quite complex for a newb to dive in, but hella fun when you first get your first insights on how this stuff works.

>>53786149
well why are you starting to collect them, thats probably to answer for other ppl...

>>53786614
Not today.

Now that it seems like everyone and their mother will get 'chapter tactics' does anyone think every codex will have a 'built your own tactics' chart like in 3rd-4th ed? Like you pick two bonus and two restrictions and thats your regiment/have fleet/sept/chapter tactic.

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Should I get back into 40k for 8th edition? Or should I start a crack habit?

>>53786654
Don't worry about that. It goes away Saturday.

>>53786663
I hope not, that was shit.

>>53786626
not at all. their models have already been subsumed as generic examples of their kind

>>53786067
most people arent willing to put together enough IG infantrymen to make enough conscripts, you'll be fine

>>53786654
Welp, just saw the core thingy on the right of pg92 stating the BD-C as a core choice. FML.

>>53786675
I have some peeps around who are heavily favored around 7th and have a grodge against 8th so far, so I'm diving into that (yea ik, don't judge me or them)

>>53786663
I suspect chapter tactics won't be free. Free chapter tactics made white scars king of 7th ed L

>>53786366
TFW I had 3 chimera vet squads
Well now I guess I have to transfer one of my chimeras to my inquisitor's motor-pool.

>>53786631
I posted before that I'm on a new phone, so I don't have pics anymore. The oldest pictures I have are from almost a year ago, long before he started doing the whole sand technique. I'll be sure to take a few pictures next time I see him.

While I don't know how he does the whole 'swirling clouds' of sand, but I know it's essentially just done with PVA glue and multiple layers of sand, then reinforced with thinned down PVA.

>>53786654
None of that stuff is present in 8e, bro. You've got basically one week to use a Battle Demi Company, then you'll never see them in game stores ever again.

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>>53786692
forgot my pic
I really cant do anything today.

>>53786672

40k
Crack doesn't have any value once you're done with it.

>>53785861
How has this thread featured the word "fascism" more than 0 times and not devolved into a political shitfight yet? Let me fix that
> Antifa Trump!

>>53786682
I remember solaq had a cool helmet relic and a special rule, shame as raven guard have such few characters.

>>53786714
Khorne can't have sorcerers anon, drop it.

>>53785725
You cannot assault with a valkerie.....read the rules.

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Anybody have any slaanesh lists they're working on?

>>53786714
Druuungph?!

>>53786700
I'm playing with a bunch of peeps I've met through other TT stuff, and so far they're heavily favored towards 7th instead of 8th. Don't ask me why but that's the reason I want to learn that "old stuff".

>>53786734
Hovermode, you dumb sorcerer of khorne

>>53786732
Yes he can.

>>53786663
That would be pretty fuckin' neat-o, but I doubt it.
It'll probably be something you spend command points to "unlock" for a game, if I had to guess.

>>53785725
Also you can fall back any direction.....read more rules.

>>53786011
What do you use for army building? To get picture like this

>>53786749
No he can't

>>53786743
yes

>>53786762
Yes she can.

>>53786760
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

>>53786760
MS paint.

>>53786753
But does fall back let you walk THROUGH your opponent's models? I didn't think you could as Knight sized models had a rule to let them

If the LR was in a corner and the Vendetta went in sideways. It might be able to completely block in the LR so it won't be able to fall back.

>>53786769
Can you share what is working for you?

>>53786781
>But does fall back let you walk THROUGH your opponent's models?
Its just like a normal move, but you end more than 1" from an enemy

If your model has Flying then you ignore them while moving

>>53786770
No xe can't

>>53786804
Last I checked land raiders can't fly.

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>>53786782
no, make ur own list

>>53786821
Tell that to the Blood Angels

>>53786655
I just happened to want to expand my slaanesh army.
I collect lots of daemons and I really wanted some marines, I liked slaanesh marines the most because of how funky they were but they were never popular on /tg/ until now.

>>53786821
Then he cant move through enemy models

How is this hard to understand?

>>53786819
>get sorcerer
>align to Khorne
Flhget will be pleased.

>>53786772
Ty, why is no GK to choose?

>>53786840
Are those the same idiots that actually think assault marines can take meltas?

Geez, tell those creampuffs to get with the times already!

>>53786854
>Khorne tells you no
>Khorne grabs the Index
>Khorne, FUCKING KHORNE, reads to you the section about marks of chaos
>it all still ends up with a book up your ass

>>53786863

It's still being updated. Lots of armies are still missing.

>>53786844
well chaos is one of the most popular armies to play and they are 4 main god focused legions.
they seem to be updating them all so people that collect that certain god army are getting excited. doesnt seem to crazy to me

>>53786863
He probably hasn't gotten around to adding them yet. Before today there were like half the available selections.

>>53786882
Nah, 5th edition Bangles could deep strike landraidets

>>53786781
This is basically how tarpitting works now. I watched a quick game of 8th saturday where 10 scarab occult terminators teleported on either side of a leman russ and got off high charges. This allowed the termies to pile in in a way that blocked off the russ' retreat

>>53786890
>>53786844
since 2 out of the 4 are revamped, khorne and slaanesh players are coming out their caves

>>53786887
Joke's on you, I wanted to have it rammed vioelently inside.
This pleases both Tzeentch and Slaneesh.

>>53786689
No. 7th was fucking awful, play 4th or 5th or go with 8th. Staying with 7th is retarded.

Seriously is there something wrong with the Guard? How can a plasma gun cost 7 points and a heavy bolter cost 8?

>>53786939
No he can't

>>53786115
Would be a safe bet.

>>53786945
Poor aim, in unrelated news the price for marine sized grips skyrockets.

>>53786920

Of course all 10 scarab occult terminators were killed by 200 or so conscripts after they were done with combat, right?

>>53786804
Another question...

Say a Valk enters Hover Mode, and charges a Russ. Next turn, can it turn off Hover Mode? If yes, does the mandatory Supersonic Move count as Withdrawing?

>>53786943
Yea, we're currently like 6-7 for 7th, while 2-3 pushing forward 8th in regards of better rules. Idk shit so far since I just joined with some space marines I got from one of them.

But thanks for that headsup, any good reasoing why 8th is far superior? So far I've only read WAAC-memes here and the "boo-hoo 8th is bad because REASONS" from my group.

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>'Ere We Go
Mad Dok Grotsnik uses the madboy rules, a complex series of charts full of strange behaviour
>2nd edition ork codex
He still uses the madboy rules, but they are now just one relatively simple chart mostly based on the existing psychology rules. He may not join a unit, even one of madboyz.
>3rd edition ork codex
He is now immune to psychology but must move towards the nearest enemy whenever possible, granting the same rule to any unit he is with.
>4th edition ork codex
Basically the same as 3rd edition.
>7th edition ork codex
He has the fearless and rampage rules and may not leave a unit.
>8th edition index xenos
If there are no friendly models around, he will try and charge the nearest enemy.

Is it just me, or is Mad Dok Grotsnik getting saner and more social over time? It used to be he wouldn't hang around with other orks, then he wouldn't leave them and persuaded them to act a bit mad too, now he's actually calmed down when he has some friends nearby. The rules governing his behaviour have steadily become simpler and more advantageous. By tenth edition he'll probably be a calming influence on any orks around and allow you to enter into diplomatic negotiations instead of fighting.

I can't decide which legion my Primaris chapter should be successors of. Who do you think, /tg/?

>>53786743
I hope that Putin and Trump spit roast Colbert.

>>53787003
Space Wolves

>>53787011
Space Dire Wolves? They're like Space Wolves, but Dire.

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>>53786994
Zog, you might be onto something.

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>>53785725

>>53787003
Sons of Horus

>>53786991
It is genuinely more balanced, there's no bloat to the rules, no formation bullshit, everyone who's played it, including me say it is much more fun than 7th. They brought the power level way down, removed instant death and D weapons and made it a much more infantry focused game, which is when 40k is at it's best.

You can find the rules for free, give it a go before you stick with the shit that is 7th.

>>53787003
Marines Malevolent

>>53786991
It promises to be more balancing. The major legitimate complaints I hear are about the lack of facing on vehicles and the loss of templates. Some players argue that the rules change took away some bit of streategy from the game. I think having to choose when your reserves come in combined with alternating deployment have made risk/reward a much bigger part of the game.

>>53787057

>legion

Which color for edge highlights do you like better anons?

Best way to equip Death Company?
Chainswords or power weapons?

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What is the effective range of a melta beam and how does it look like?

>>53787119
Depends on the colour.

>>53786991
My biggest gripe is its feels much more bland. Codices will (hopefully) change this.

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>>53787119

Forgot pic

>>53787146
Thin your paints.

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>>53786743

>>53786889
>>53786894
Thank you kind friends.

>>53787146
I'd say the one on the left

Can I take Emperor's Children Noise Marines as troops in a mostly chaos Daemon army?

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>>53787158
do you even know what thinned paint looks like?

>>53787146
Right

>>53787189
Yes, as long as they have the emperor's children keyword.

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Plasma Gun or Flamer as the special weapon of choice for all my basic Guard infantry?

>>53787189
No.

>>53787146
Thank your doctors

>>53787210
I've always done Flamers. They're better on basic guardsmen than on veterans and they're the only weapon for which this is true, they're really good in overwatch, and they're cheap.

>>53787202
Yes, not that.

>>53787210
Flamer

>>53787207
Sure, but is that keyword relevant at all? Because they also have the Chaos keyword, so I can just make my entire faction chaos, correct?

>>53787210
Grenade Launcher. Why would you pay for an expensive Plasma Gun in a BS4+ model with only a 5+ save?

>>53787081
Loss of fire arcs (pic related), and "defender allocates casualties" replacing "closest models first" both have potential issues as well, as well as "all models must be in cover to benefit from it." "Closest models first" gave some incentive to flank/focus attacks in firefights.

Replacing Tank Shock with vehicle melee has led to...weirdness like Valk/Russ battlebots, but it also results in pic related. "Closest legal distance" for model displacement made it a useful 'utility'/board control trick. Now, there are far less "move control" tricks in the game. Mind you, I'm not saying "bring back Lash", but between turn 1 charges, the games are devolving into "screen trading" moshpit scrums.

This weekend I witnessed a Tzeentch player just jam the board in Horrors, refuse to die (that 4++), and jam enemy Rhinos in melee while spammint Smite with Heralds to finish them off. The army pretty much played itself.

So Celestine can't jump in with Seraphim any more? Did I read this data sheet right?

>>53787242
Because I'm thinking in terms of 8e where a plasma gun is only 7points (GLs are 5)

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>>53787125
Bumping for the Emperor and Sanguinius!

>>53787266
You can also have multiple celestines in your army. Odds are things are going to change.

>>53787202


OP here

Thanks anon, got worried a bit. I'm a beginning painter and heard of stories of unthinned paints

>>53787210
No specialists for scrubs. Save them for Special Weapon party Vans

>Three Command Squads, each with four Flamers in a double Heavy Flamer Chimera

>One Officer and Two Command Squads, each with four Plasma Guns in a Transport

>>53787276
>Fighting for a couple of corpses

Ha ha ha ha

>>53786924
>AoF for more dickings

>>53785733
I feel you brother. My GK termi spam list went up by about 700 points. God damn are their special guns expensive. Still very happy overall, however.

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>Iron Warriors still dont get access to artillery
>Imperial Fists & sons now get access to ALL the artillery, including ICBMs

Iron Warriors about to get blown the fuck out in every possible way.

>>53787210
Plasma, it synergizes with autocannon. You generally don't need flamers for infantry removal because you've got massed lasgun fire.

>>53787242
Because it's all of 2pts more.

>>53787302
Iron Warriors were made for Forge World anyway.

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>>53787279
it looks decent desu, but i wouldnt ask for help on 40kg, u will only get idiots saying "thin your paints" when they have never touched a brush, i would go to /wip , could get good tips there

>>53785484
>combat lesbians

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>>53787279
Whenever you post any WIP of any kind there will be some shitposter who says to thin your paints.

You could be Duncan himself and it would still happen.

Pic related got it as the ONLY reply.

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>>53787302
>Imperial Fists

>>53787009
What is it about funny and articulate comedians that make 'pedes so uncomfortable? Is it the long, hard to understand words?

>>53787333
Pretty good.
You could still stand to thin your paints though.

>>53787333
looks good anon but you could
rotate your picture

"The weak fight back"

What did the Chaos Space Marines mean by this?

>>53787132
Look at Endless Crusade for your answers.

>>53787333
Looks pretty decent, you did well on the cloth. That said...

The metallics look chunky. Thin your paint.

>>53787378
I didn't support trump in the election, but the thing that bothers me about all the late night comics is that they all make the same jokes. Like clockwork. Same points, same jokes. It's almost enough to make you believe that they share (((writers))).

>>53787371
>t. assblasted perturabo

>>53787268
Then it depends on what you want that squad to do. Unless you're expecting close combat threats I'd take the Plasmagun for it's higher threat range. Add the reroll 1s to hit order and every shot you land will be a near guaranteed kill on infantry. Or you can use the reroll 1s to hit to safely supercharge it an achieve a similar effect.

>>53787146
Right

>>53787396
Who the fuck said that?

>>53787378
>'pedes
Centipedes?

>>53787396
That their oponents are weaklings. Not that hard to grasp.

>>53787396
They were implying that they were the strong ones and as such not accustomed to people fighting back.

>>53787432
https://youtu.be/MPMqzuvTpPI?t=173

>>53787432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMqzuvTpPI

>>53787146
I'd do right, with white at the very edge.

>>53787398
>>53787398
>>53787379

I use Vallejo, their metallics are a bit odd. They look fine in person but under the camera they get super specular and shiny.

That said this build did take a damn long time and by the end of it I was really itching to be done with it, so I might not have fully thinned in the interest of getting fewer coats.

Turns out scions are super detailed and doing scions like Kasrkin makes it even worse.

How bad does this look? This is mostly a list of me picking shit I'd like, though I feel a bit bummed I can't squeeze a lemon into there.

Company Commander with Maul and Plasma Pistol = 39pts
Company Commander with Maul and Plasma Pistol = 39pts
Tempestor Prime with Command Rod and Power Maul = 44pts
Scions with 4 Plasmaguns and Vox = 129pts
Taurox Prime with Battle Cannon and Autocannon = 118pts
Scions with 4 Vollyguns and Vox = 127pts
Taurox Prime with Gatling Cannon and Vollyguns = 96pts
Infantry Squad with Plasmagun, Mortar and Vox = 57pts X2
Infantry Squad with Plasmagun, H.Bolter and Vox = 60pts X2
Command Squad with Lascannon, Sniper and Vox = 51pts X2
Scion Command squad with 3 Vollyguns and Vox = 69pts
Taurox Prime with Gatling Cannon and Vollyguns = 96pts
Ratling Squad = 31pts X2
Rough Riders with two Flamers, Maul and Bolt Pistol = 119pts X2
Armoured Sentinels with Autocannon and Chainsaws = 171pts
Two Basilisks with H. Bolters = 216pts
Heavy Weapon Squad with three Lascannon = 72pts X2

Total 1932pts

>>53787449
>>53787451
Hivemind.

>>53787487
Jivemind

>>53787476
I use vallejo gunmetal, a bit of acrylic medium helps amazingly

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QUICK! I need the orks "did you just assume our gender" picture to troll someone.

>>53787476
>Turns out scions are super detailed
fucking this
i assembled my first taurox the other day
holy shit that interior detail

Who /nurgle/ here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCrsMdxcHVw

>>53787480
>armored sentinels
I hope you're just running those because you have them, anon. They're kinda shit this edition.

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I play age of Sigmar for a year now, never played 40k - so I'm a total noob - my question is for 8th edition army building for Chaos. Is it possible to mix chaos or do I lose some special treatments like in AoS with the grand alliances. Example: when I take Kharadron overlords only army, I can take some special abilities, but when I play them along with other order forces I lose the access to this abilities - is it the same in 40k? Do my deathguard lose some special abilities when play them with thousands sons for example?

Pic related, it's a Color test for My deathguard, what do u guys think?

Is the jury out yet? RAPTORS, or WARP TALONS? Which should I build?

>>53787523
Right now, you lose nothing, but most people suspect things will shift to be more like age of sigmar as the codexes roll out.

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>>53787523
>I play AoS
>spehss dwarvs
Leave. Now. And never come back.

>>53787523
>Never played 40k - so I'm a total noob
Well that's okay. We all had to start somewhere and so you're always welcome to grow the hobby and-
>my question is for 8th edition army building for Chaos.
Get fucked.

>>53787146

Right, Thinned down and lightened a little so you can paint thinner lines, then use something right along the edge of chitin as a highlight colour, either a really Dark or really light purple.

>>53787432
its from dawn of war the video game... chaos marines say it when they get pinned.

>>53787517
This is entirely in the planning stage currently, I've not had any chance to play 8th (hell, haven't had a chance to play much 7th in a long time) but I'm looking at it as a project for the new edition.

>>53787276
Power swords are cheap now, I'd say it's worth it to take those since ap-3 should do better than just another ap0 attack per model. May want to consider a few thunder hammers in a squad if you've got lemartes or astorath nearby. Inferno pistols are disgusting if you can spare the points for a few, don't overdo them though as each death would hurt bad.

>>53787480
you can't take a taurox prime with autocannons and hot shot volley guns , despite the fact you can model it that way
also for the price of those 3 armored sentinels with autocannons and chainsaws you could get 9 HWT with autocannons

>>53787587
>squad broken!
>boss, we'ze getting sho' up!
Fun times. Shame the series hasn't been good since Dark Crusade.

>>53787523
basically there aren't any special rules like the Overlords get. GW has said they will release new codexes, and the community is split whether they will be for existing models (like that chaos marine) or if they will only be for new models (like the Kharadron Overlord book)

Personally, I'd cut the vox and use the points to buy more commanders.

>>53787517
They're fine.
Not everything has to be brutally competitive.

>>53787596
Yeah, sentinels got survivable but the trouble thay hit them and every vehicle except the Leman Russ (because Grinding Advance) and the Hellhound (because autohit) is that he's y weapons fired on the move are at -1 to hit, even on vehicles. So unless your sentinels are taking heavy flamers they'll shoot like Orks.

Not worth the points, IMO. Especially since they're as bad as always in melee.

>>53786308
Necron immortals with an overlord nearby and some help from a stalker across the map can be 150% accurate. Necron characters offer so many buffs this edition its insane.

>>53787627
See
>>53787632

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>>53787511

So it's basically impossible to first turn charge with Slaanesh chaos demons. Great.

>>53786994
what would be crazier than a ork that uses Diplomacy.

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So guys, I was thinking about giving this to my father as a present once he finally recovers from what he's been reduced too.

What do you think? Imo this might be useful...

>>53787663

More so than others? Why?

>>53787689
It just seems screwey, that the faction that most needs first turn charges, is the farthest from it. They could have fixed the daemon summoning rules a bit better too.

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What are your thought's on Painboys or Apothecaries in general?

>>53787674
Isn't your father dead, milord? I remember you saying he was assassinated by his brother at some point.

>>53787705
They aren't on 25mm anymore and can have klaws?
What the fuck happened, last time I used them they were a nob upgrade?

I can't remember the last time I saw the old "official" 40k general picture.

Now it's just people striving to be "epically epic XD" with their "hilarious" meme pictures

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>>53787663
>he picked shitty titty daemonwhores instead of strong alpha male genestealers

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>>53787711
Yes, he is.

But I believe he somehow will eventually return, even from the dead, to guide us all once more!

>>53787378
>'pedes
go back to reddt
Also you should be happy if Drumpf and Putin spit roasted Colbert, then you would finally have that collusion evidence you have been looking for.

>>53787632
>>53787644
That's not a problem unique to sentinels, or even guard.

Heavy weapons teams get the same penalty for moving up the board while trying to shoot.

They're a cheap heavy weapon platform, just not as absurdly cheap as HWS.

To be honest, I think axing Platoons was a mistake. Maybe we'll see them come back in the next codex.

>>53787743
Such a tactical mistake that he chose the wrong melee blob.

>>53787735
Base size doesn't matter and they come with power claws. They're an Elite choice now and were an HQ last edition.

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>>53787743
Nids are all female you mong.

>>53787741
It's a new edition. I think people are trying to come up with a new general image to match.

>>53787745

That's basically his thing isn't it? He's just the same spirit that's been reincarnated a billion times then he remembered.

>>53787745
No, your FATHER. You know, the Macragge noble who raised you, not the guy you share DNA with.

>>53787785
You're getting me even more confused and scared.

>>53787302

You see, I have hope, however miss guided, that GW will use the fact that every sub faction/legion has been subdivided down and given its own section of the book to provide for situations like this.

The Iron Warriors were supposed to be the kings of artillery, they very clearly have access to massed artillery and robots in the Horus Heresy era (and game), so theres no good reason other than general lazyness that GW couldn't just port over the rules for the Basilisk/Medusa etc into the IW section of the Chaos book and include a caveat that says something like "This model may only ever have the IRON WARRIORS keyword and may only be taken if the HQ for this army is a WARSMITH".

Hell they could even give the Warsmith proper rules, just an upgrade only available to an Iron Warriors Chaos lord where he just gets a servo arm, can only pick warlord traits from the IW list, and some other generic buff like guiding artillery if he has LOS on a unit, or lets Obliterators always choose to have max strength on their weapons, or he can perform multiple vehicle heals in a turn, or ....I literally drew up about 8 other of these in detail but you get the idea.

Theres a lot to be tentatively hopeful about, because GW could very easily make this the best edition for chaos players in a very long time by making each subfaction very unique with the new formating and rules or just more of the same blandness that was everything from 4th to the launch of traitors legion rule back ~6 months ago.

>>53787399
Agreed late night comics need to take a lesson from South Park and give up. It almost makes me think that most late night comics are secretly tsundere for Trump.

>It's not like I would have liked two scoops of ice cream to Baka!

So, Shadow war general is dead? Asking here as it's tangentially related and I haven't seen a /swag/ in awhile

>>53787773
The main thing they had over HWTs last edition was mobility. Now it's dubious durability.

I'm sorry but aside from the Plasma Cannon, which I admit OP did have the foresight to pick, I really don't see it.

>>53787604
>Can't take autocannon and vollyguns on Taurox Primes.
Que?

>>53787627
>>53787632
I admit one of the reasons Sentinels are in is because of making a conversion of some kind of powerloader/ converted exosuit, but I might reconsider. If I drop voxes I could probably get two more Company Commanders in there by my reckoning, would you have them jogging alongside the infantry squads? Also is the Heavy Bolter something to consider these days or is it still too middling compared to Autocannon?

>>53787788
Genestealers and Hive Tyrants are explicitly male.

>>53787839
>late night comics are secretly tsundere for Trump.

of course they are he's a goldmine of material for them

>>53787663
with daemonettes, sure.
Same with bloodthirsters.
Don't know why thought first turn charging with foot infantry was going to be a thing.

Seekers. 14"+d6+2d6+1" averages a bit over 25", so they can get the first turn charge off with seekers. Chariots are bit harders but still possible

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>>53785610
>Anyone here had any experience playing him in 8th? How was he?

He's not as god-tier anymore, but still suitably scary if you let him get too close. I use to feel bad for taking him (love the model) but not I don't have to apologize when I put my army out.

>>53787840

SWAG is dead because it hasn't been house ruled yet

>>53787826
OH
Konor you mean.

I sadly don't believe he's coming back. Ever.
He was a truly inspiring leader and a great man of good, but also just a normal human.

>>53787860
Female.
Genestealers even have ovipositors.

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>>53787743
I concur

>>53787881
Figures
I remember there being some necromunda rules crossover in progress but I think the game could really benefit from an actual GW expansion somewhere down the line
Oh well

>>53787632
Yeah Sentinels are pretty bad. I might take some Scout Sentinels just for mobility's sake. I'm considering Missile Launchers, but they are pretty expensive. Same with Heavy Flamers. Multi-Laser probably will make a come back for me seeing as how they are only 10 points.

>>53787705
interesting, but most likely points better spent on actual redundancy.

>>53787830
I'm hoping night lords and word bearers get love with raptor troops and just something demonic related.

>>53787885
Genestealer ovipositors are wildly different to insect ovipositors, mainly in that they override DNA instead of laying eggs in something.

>>53787849
they are still more mobile.
Won't matter for things like lascannons if LoS isn't an issue. Which is still the same.

But sentinels are faster, so they will spend less time getting into range.
I'm not sure if the scout sentinels move counts for their shooting first turn.

And of course if you're using heavy flamers the -1bs doesn't matter.

So is it true that some of the Primaris chapters' geneseeds come from traitor legions?

>>53787885
>Genestealers even have ovipositors.
Then why do they become patriarchs and not matriarchs?

Checkmate.

>>53787917
A vagina is still a vagina even if it has teeth and bleeds acid that changes you from the inside out.

>>53787941
well, yeah. We've seen Primaris marines in Dark Angels colors.

Lads why is the psychic phase so boring and shit looking now? Picking powers is nice, but not when there's no real choices

>>53787941
Cawl suggested it. Rowboat vetoed it.

>Now whether Cawl LISTENED is another story.

>>53787849
It's like rough riders. You take them because you like the idea, or have cool mounted models you want to use, but because they're actually any good.

>>53787857
I'd have them jogging with the infantry. Or deepstriking if you go for the scion commander.

Autocannons are generally better on anything that can take them. HBs are okay if you're strapped for points. They do pretty well on HWS, because they're cheap as chips.

>>53787940
Are Heavy Flamers "assault" weapons? So you can still shoot after advancing?

>>53787944
They don't, those are just the terms the sexist imperium calls them.
They really are all called a variation of Mary.

>>53787951
But genestealers arent laying eggs, they are impregnating their victims with their DNA and impregnating by proxy their victim's partner.

They're a male life form.

>>53787840

Seems so
Might as well post here
How to deal with death marks intercepting in the game?

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Has anyone considered a tribal/animalistic space marine chapter?
Heavily based on totems and with Haida icons as emblems.
The result could be pretty dope.

>>53787983
They're not impregnation anything, they're merely laying their gene-eggs.
Men can take ovipositor too.

>>53787981
not heavy so no shoot after advancing.
But autohit, so -1bs doesn't matter.

>>53787743
244 points of Daemonettes inflict 12 wounds on 240 points of genestealers, which crack back for 14 wounds.

Points loss wise, the Daemonettes lose 126 points or 14 models, while the genestealers lose 144 points or 12 models.

Daemonettes can also get more buffs, at a cheaper points rate than genestealers, increasing the odds in their favor.

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>>53785484
I asked last thread but no response so hoping for better luck this time.

Would like to start a dark elder army. Would the following be viable:

units of Kabalite Warriors in Raiders
units of scourges
and some Jetfighters/Bombers

I really hope so. The only reason I never bought it before was that Deldar were so horrible in the game and its no fun losing every time.

>>53787959
Because it was a complete clusterfuck in previous editions. I much prefer it in its 8th edition form as something we can resolve quickly.

>>53787788
>>53787885
Are you retarded? Genestealers are all 'male' or as close to it as you can get for agendered bio-engineered killing machines. In fact they're so fucking hypermale they can even use the males of other species as their females. They inject their DNA into the host and the host produces offspring for them, that's what you call 'male'.

The alpha genestealer of a cult is called the "Patriarch" and referred to with terms like "Father" for a reason.

>>53787959

Because the alternative was 7th's psychic phase which was so over the top it was game breaking.

>>53787951
A vagina isn't what makes you female in a sexually dimorphic species. In most species of course, the presence of a vagina is an indicator of being female, but it's really the relationship you have with the gametes that defines it.

>>53787210
My go to squad is Heavy Bolter and Plasma Gun. 55 points and flexible. Also considering doing Grenade Launcher instead of Plasma Gun since I have those already painted.

>>53787983
what you describe is not male by any biological definition I've heard of.

It's not female either, but I know this might surprise you, biology has categories for things autoside of male and female. I'm not talking SJW stuff, I just mean they don't consider stuff like fungi or bacteria male or female.

>>53788013
>giving people aids makes you a man
And the host still needs someone else to make the babbys with.

Where are all the mech guard players? Wanted to ask what's best on a Chimera (especially if its advancing) now and how this looks for a vehicle heavy list. Debating on 2 Wyverns + 1 Hydra for infantry or 1 Wyvern + 2 Hydras for <Fly> hunting.

>1999/2000 IG Cadians - 6 CP
>Spearhead
Pask +Punisher, Lascannon, 2 Multi-meltas
Tank Commander +Punisher, Lascannon, 2 Multi-meltas
Master of Ordnance
Wyvern +Heavy Bolter
2 Hydras +Heavy Bolter
Manticore +Heavy Flamer

>Vanguard
Tank Commander +Punisher, Lascannon, 2 Multi-meltas
Company Commander
3 x Command Squad +4 Plasma Guns
Chimera +2 Heavy Flamers

>Vanguard
2 x Company Commander
3 x Command Squad +4 Plasma Guns
2 x Chimera +2 Heavy Flamers

>>53788011

100% that's a viable start to a list. You just need to select the right special weapons on different squads and models to give you good coverage.

>>53788001
Genestealers don't have eggs. They infect you with a retrovirus. The term "ovipositor" is a misnomer, it's a phallic invasive organ that gets stuffed into the hosts orifice and spews genetic material inside them. Genestealers are ultra-male.

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Is the Boss Nob a free upgrade for Boyz? I don't see Boss Nob listed under Ork Unit Values and regular Nobz are unit size 3+. My understanding is that "a Boss Nob may take the place of one (6 point) Ork Boy".

>watching VOD of frontline gaming playing Admech vs DE
>they say exploding dice (roll of 6 does more hits,etc) can't explode on a 6 if you have -1 to hit
>but they don't say plasma overheats on a 2 if you have -1 to hit.

THey both use the same terminology and you can't have it go both ways. What morons.

>>53786567
3 points? Thats it? wth.

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>>53788053
awesome! thank-you

>>53787663
I'm going to go on from here >>53787873

Why did you expect daemonettes to be the ones making the first turn charge? There is actually a pretty clear setup here.

Seekers or fiends tie up the enemy turn one. Chariots follow behind, then the daemonettes get into the mix.

Or if you do mixed armies, seekers and fiends go forward to tie things up if needed. Daemonettes rule makes them good counter chargers or even taking charges as they to attack first even if charged.

>>53787990
I've considered it but I ended up making my homebrew chapter based on English cavaliers before they fell to chaos. You should definitely try it though, it's a good idea.

>>53787971
Cool, thanks for the advice. This is a list for fun more than for being competitive, but if it keeps going tits up I'll look to making grander changes.

Genestealers don't have a true sex, because they aren't sexually dimorphic. All genestealers have the same reproductive status.

Whether a genestealer acts more in line with traditional and cultural expectations about the different sexes is a different story, but it doesn't have anything to do with the actual scientific sex of the organism.

>>53788069
Yes, squad leaders cost the same as a basic squad member, you just pay how many dudes you want in the squad and one of those is the squad leader for 'free'.

>>53788036
That's the point, all Tyranids are neither male nor female. But Genestealers are their closest approximation of male and even come to regard themselves that way upon ascending to Patriarch status and developing complex thought and human language.

>>53787982
No that's not what the Imperium calls them, that's what the Cults call them and what the Patriarch's call themselves.

>>53788011
>>53788053
you will need an HQ.
Your best option is probably an Archon as he's pretty cheep and survivable.
But you can also get silly by taking a succubus, making your vehicles all wych cult, and having her give them rerolling 1's when shoooting.

>>53788075
Just listened to Signals today and I'm pretty sure that cane up and Reese said that a moving Dev. Squad overheats on 1s and 2s.

>>53788106
Thanks. That will take some getting used to.

>>53788114
>even come to regard themselves that way upon ascending to Patriarch status and developing complex thought and human language.
I always took it as them using that more to indoctrinate and control, rather than seeing themselves that way.
They're corrupting a patriarchal religion, so it makes sense to use that language.

But I could be wrong. I just like the idea that the full genestealers are still so alien that stuff like gender is really just a foreign concept they can use on other beings, not something they apply to themselves.