Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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1st for last

What changes to your army are you upset about in this edition?

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the emperor protects

27 points

>>53725496
Everyone is going to call me a WAAC fg becuase of my orks :(

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>>53725496
We dont have legion from start

>>53725504
Don't be sad, Anon.

Remember how they mocked you. It's your time now.

Orks woz made for foightin and winnin'.

>>53725504
I've always been non-mechanized IG and I fear the same

>>53725504
Being a WAACfag is in the heart, not the army. I believe that you will shine through and show your FLGS the heart behind the Ork Horde.
But if you don't have your characters in the thick of things then I'm going to be very disappointed in you.

>>53725496
My Aspect Warrior menagerie is slightly more expensive across the board, and I had to take a second HQ now, so I ended up shelving the Shining spears.

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What 40k conversions do you wish you had the skill to make?

>>53725517
It's just a return to the pre-traitor legions book world, hopefully GW will manage to make all the legions reasonably balanced this time around. They've shown they can do some pretty decent rules when they pull their heads out of their arses.

>>53725496
Aside from my Fexes and Tyrants, all my monstrous creatures got massive point hikes (and T7/T8 a helluvalota wounds but still).

And the fact that there is now no reason to take monstrous devourers over monstrous deathspitters.

should've made the devourers 4-6 shots each or made the deathspitters 24" 2 shots.

>>53725482
What chapter is that?

>>53725530
does it count if i *do* have the skill but not the time?

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>>53725540
Its Alpha LEGION, nigga. Only loyalist dogs have chapters
>>53725535
I hope they will make codecies fo legions, like they always did for loyalists

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>tfw the conscript meme is real

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Greyfax is hot

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>>53725540
Preheresy Alpha Legion
>>53725517
It's a crime that the Best Legion doesn't get enough attention in both fluff and rules.

>>53725520
>>53725518
Hay man, no one believed me when i my Tau became WAAC. i've been here before. Keepin me fingers crossed for the day of the reckoning,
>>53725519
welp, least we can always play against each other

>>53725546
Sure, I'm just looking for cool conversions.

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>>53725496
The nerf to Skitarii guns and losing all our Feel No Pains for shitty 6++ saves, and Enginseers no longer being cheap HQs the moment we actually need them to do that job. Canticles could use a little boost, too, like making the Reroll 1s ones a straight +1 WS/BS to not overlap with all our other bubbles.

Otherwise Admech look pretty good, honestly, and I only need two more SC boxes and I'm done with them and can go mess about with Heresy Mech in preparation for IA14.

>>53725555
I mean, spare a thought for the Loyalists who don't get separate books but yeah some bigger books would be nice, really flesh out some more unique chaos units. Death Guard is going in a good direction, I hope people like Emperor's Children get a similar treatment. Or the World Eaters.

Sorry anon, I have no idea what they'd add for Alpha Legion.

>>53725519
Same here. My store is mostly pretty low-tier players, too, making it extra rough.
They called me a WAACfag for putting an infantry platoon blob behind an Aegis Defense Line.

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So Acts of Faith absolutely do not work in a mechanised list, so I'm going to use them all on my Celestine.
Can she grant her additional Act of Faith on herself?

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>>53725582
Every legion have 2-3 unique units in HH tabletop. And Alpha did. And Alpha can use units from other legions as elite choice. And all army can infiltrate and start battle with "attack from thousands directions". Thats fluffy

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>>53725574
>>53725530
more heavy weapons teams featuring the gunner in a waldo/light power suit.

>>53725595
I want to buy/field an Aegis with a quad gun. Not sure if it's worth it points-wise but I've always wanted semi-automated turrets. Feels like Dawn of War

>>53725496
Cadre Fireblade not giving warriors an extra shot at max range sucks, although with the new wound chart that might have been a little crazy. Massive point hike on Broadsides feels pretty bad. Markerlights seem like they're not gonna be as satisfying to use. Everything else seems good

>>53725564
snake, try to remember some of the basics of CQC

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>>53725562
I'd suck Rogal Dorn's dick.

>>53725635
I was talking to one of my Tau friends and he said Pathfinders were stupidly cheap now. Could you spam them for better markerlight coverage?
Or will people just stick with the 3p markerlight upgrade for the Fire Warriors squad leader?

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never 4 get /tg/

>>53725555
>>53725564
Really?, never seen pre-heresy alpha legion before, why do the hydras look like wolves?, That is offical art work right?

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>>53725689
Official from FW. Books on Mega

>>53725596
Looks like it Anon, Celestine is an Adepta Sororitas unit that is within 6'' of herself.

>>53725496
The passive 'cannot use more than half an army in reserve' fucks over my Genestealer cults, i bet GK players are upset too

Plus removing return to the shadows and nerfing the ambush table a little bit hurts from both gaming and fluff perspective. doesn't feel as fun to play anymore

>>53725496
Rock saws are useless.

>>53725657
Probably? Although I really don't like pathfinders, so I think I might just wait for the meta to shake out a little to see where I should get my ML support and how much. Honestly I'm hoping they end up just not worth taking at all

How much will people make fun of me if my army is two sets of the Primaris Marines from the starter set, painted as Ultramemes, and Big Boy Bobby G?

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>>53725715
do you care?

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>>53725504
Orks are no stronger than they were with the 4th edition codex at best. Firmly mid-tier.

Guard are the actual top-tier army now.

>>53725702
I heard that the transports were buffed, is it possible to run a less one-trick list with them?

Are Thousand Sons a good army for a beginner? They seem to fit all my criteria for an army.

>Not Imperial
>Footslogging
>Tough
>Shooting Focused
>Psykers
>Easy paint scheme

>>53725499
>9 conscripts

the math is pretty clear on this

>>53725730
Ork Blobs protected by Big Mek on Warbike with a KFF and a Painboy On Warbike seem extraordinarily strong. That many wounds in a template-less edition on a 5++, 6+++ is hard to chew through for almost all armies.

I don't know if you're giving the Boyz a fair shot.

>>53725740
>>Easy paint scheme

Wew lad.

Have anyone roster creator for 8th expect this https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator ?

>>53725758

TSons are easy to paint. Spray gold, wash fleshtone, paint in teal panels, detail in the yellow stripes and silver on the bolters.

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>>53725740
>Easy Paint Scheme

Lol no. It'll be hard to do the yellow lines, plus there's a lot of gold trim too.

>>53725740
It's pretty small and elite certainly, less to keep track of, and there's a standard big centerpiece model. Looking at their new rules they seem basically immune to small arms fire.
Psykers aren't super great this edition but Warptime seems good.
The best advice I'd give would be to look at the fluff and feel over hard rules, do you like the army? You don't want to end up spending a lot of time working on something you don't like.

>>53725768
yes
>>53718207

>>53725733
Well, all transports were 'buffed' You can also get the Primus to sort of reroll the CA the unit that escorts him. But most GSC players own one, so GW has made it so you need to purchase more stuff to keep up

The basic idea is you now need: More Primus for better rolls, a psyker for Mass Hypnosis and more things deploying on the board like sentinels and tanks. the banner guy seems shitty, abberants / metamorphs too

>>53725792
I want comfor builder and dont want to look at 4 pages for every unit, okay? Just cool battlescrolls

>>53725770
>paint in teal panels, detail in the yellow stripes

If you think that'll be easy for a beginner you're mistaken. You're also missing out ll the shading and highlighting.

Even the most basic Thousand Sons is packed with detail. Out of all current armies they are probably the most difficult to paint besides properly done Harlequins.

>>53725801
It gets easier over time. And by over time I mean that I'm pretty solid with almost all point costs for my army after one draft list, you can do it!

Unless you play something like standard Space Marines, in which case good fucking luck.

>>53725757
Pretty excited to get my foot orks some game time. Kill Kans actually look quite viable now as well.

Blitza bommers seem like an auto take and I'm currently assembling a dakkajet that's been in a box for forever because they also look incredible now too.

>>53725723
a lil bit
I'm new to the game and it just seems like a relatively cheap way to jump right in with a 2k army, but not if it means I'm going to be the guy people roll their eyes at whenever I ask for a game

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>>53725823
CSM. I want fluffy Alpha legion, so nearly no vechicle and many guys in power armor

>>53725496
Stupid fucking command squad changes. Way to invalidate 2/5s of my squad, jackass.

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>check ebay for Tau armies
>very first image contains unpainted riptide wing
I don't want to believe my favorite faction's player base is this fucked

>>53725770
>Spray gold
>Doing the gold first

No.

Never do this shit, never fall for the GW 'pls buy our gold spray!!' meme

>>53725496
No Marbo.
No Bastonne.
Some of my models are now technically illegal (Scion sergeant with bolter and plasma pistol, chainsword+powerfist sergeant).

Dire Avengers are way too expensive.
Striking Scorpions cover bonus is now offensive instead of defensive (though it could be quite powerful).

Snipers are no longer pinning.

>>53725853
I bought gold sprayed Ahriman from eBay. Whats wrong with this?

>>53725842
>so nearly no vechicle and many guys in power armor
oh so you know fuck all about the alpha legion?

>>53725757
You could do all that in the last edition, except you had 5+ FNP instead of the 6+ ignore wounds and decent cover saves almost made the KFF redundant.

Admittedly, a lot of blast weapons got nerfed, but there are still a lot of good ones; mortars are way better now and wyverns, whirlwinds and thunderfire cannons are just as good.

>>53725847
Eat shit, weeb.

>>53725844
I like that command squads have been split up, it makes the various units previously contained within them more versatile.

Plus, Honor Guard has also been affected (chapter champion was removed, as was the ability to take a standard), so now I have a unit to properly represent the Marshal's Sword Brethren.

>>53725853
Or you could just handpaint then gold, just saying.

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>>53725873
i did this list. Ahriman cause he good at casting, rhinos cause we dont get infiltrate before codex. After normal lgeion rules i think it would be any tank and infantry

>>53725847

The stereotype exists for a reason.

>>53725858
but snipers can now potentially do 2 wounds per shot, one of which is basically unavoidable if it kicks in.

and we can shoot them while moving now, and it won't really matter that much (you're always looking to rend anyway)

i'd consider that a fair trade in an edition where pinning/morale effects don't exist

>>53725902
what a shit list

>>53725886
>Plus, Honor Guard has also been affected (chapter champion was removed, as was the ability to take a standard), so now I have a unit to properly represent the Marshal's Sword Brethren.

That sounds cool, i haven't looked into Marines, but i used to have a small Templar army. i wonder if the Crusader LR is as powerful as i imagine it to be

Anyone played Templar? what's it like? what do you take?

>>53725886
I'm not a huge fan of how it affects 5 man squads because it literally makes 2 of the members useless. Since I play deathwing that's my plasma cannon termie and my lightning claws termie. On the other hand it is really useful to have a 4+ reviver running around the board and being able to mix and match individual members per list really helps with dealing with the general high points cost of my army but it does suck to have to deal with 2 useless models.

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>>53725910
I thought it will be cool. Whats about this old list?

>>53725880
But now the Painboy can't be sniped/challenged out and you don't need to hug cover and deal with the movement penalties it brings as you move across the board.
I don't know man, I am being optimistic. but even if Orks are mid tier that's miles ahead of the last era of bullshit. Reasonably I think Hordes are still going to be the meta so Orks will probably sit in the high mid tier depending on how codex creep and how liquid the whole game is.

>>53725902
What the fuck are you trying to do you flaming retard

who won yesterday's show match?

>>53725931
I dont understand you

>>53725926
>word "patrol" is badly edited in
>2 chosen members are poorly shopped out
>taking a 160pt named character when you don't even have any decent infantry
>power points
It's like looking into the face of down syndrome.

>>53725942
>word "patrol" is badly edited in
I forgot to change detachment so edited this
>2 chosen members are poorly shopped out
I dont know why chosens with fists dont have image
>power points
And forgot to switch to pints. its 750

>>53725940
>badly ordered list
>a fucking 300 point dreadnought
>absolute shite in turns of troop choices
Of course you don't you no-IQ dimwit.

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Give me your best tau memes

>>53725936
Very close win for Howling Griffons, came down to a vehicle exploding and killing a bunch of cultists around it.

>>53725957
im just newbie and dont know why this troops are bad choices

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How is this as Baby's First List?

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>>53725942

>>53725926
Okay, so Ahriman is a Thousand Sons model and I think if you want to be on theme (Alpha Legion) you'd want a more generalist CSM list for your inital list.

Perhaps consider a single generic (Chaos Lord is good) HQ choice, two or three basic infantry (Two ten man Cultists and ten basic marines maybe) and then a heavy weapons team, Havocs I think? (Lascannons and Missile Launchers are good)?

That gives you a really solid base to expand. You can grab vehicles, elites, jump pack units etc. You just really want to build a general foundation to build your army around.

>>53725968
cool

i was afraid it would be one-sided

>>53725912
Judging by how the guys at Bolter and Chainsword are giddy with excitement, Templars are a lot better in 8th than they were in 7th. Plus, all three of our named characters seem to have great synergy; when fielded together alongside large crusader squads, they should be highly effective.

For Templars, go with large, melee focused (everyone has a BP & chainsword) crusader squads with Neophytes armed with shotguns as meatshields. It's fluffy, and they perform well.

The LRC sounds like it'll be a monster this edition, I am pretty excited.

>>53725979
>Chaos Lord
>Generic
TEN THOUSAND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE

>>53725970
Because you claim you want a 1k sons list but you take something more akin to Alpha Legion with retarded fucking shit like a nurgle dreadnought and a tzeentch sorcerer stacked on top.

If you're actually interested in 1ksons look at something like >>53725972 for an example list. If you're not then don't fucking say you are and get your goals straight.

I hear so little about 'nids in these threads. They seem like they should be good this edition, yeah?

>>53725972
>1 sorc on disc
>1 sorc not on disc
This triggers my autism way more than it should.

>>53725999
Yes, top tier. Might only last till rebalancing.

>>53725841
>>53725715
I'd play smaller games with one starter set's worth and see what you're missing. Otherwise you may really wish you had a tank/aircraft/melee unit/whatever, but you've already filled out your points.

>>53726000

I know, it triggers my tism too, but there's not enough points to have both on a disc.

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>>53725966

>>53725715
I'd be happy to finally play against Ultramarines. For all the shit I give them, they have a nice color scheme on the tabletop.

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>>53725998
It was different anon. I wanted only Alpha and get Ahriman cause he has cool model and can cast more than normal sorc. And why this drednought must be a nurgle? Alpha had them in HH

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So I have decided to get back into the hobby. But I want to keep my model count down because I don't have much income.

So I have made a 50 power list (yes power, Its what the local game shops are doing for the first couple of months to get new people in).
HQ:
-Grand Master Voldus (Power 10)-190pts

Troops:
-5 Terminators-4 storm bolters, 1 Nemesis daemon hammer, 1 Incinerator and 4 other Nemesis weapons (Power 13)-255pts
-5 Terminators-4 storm bolters, 1 Nemesis daemon hammer, 1 Psycannon and 4 other Nemesis weapons (Power 13)-255pts

Elite:
-5 Custodian Guard - 5 Guardian Spears (Power 14) - 260 points

Total: 50 Power, 960 points (991 if I used the storm shield and Sentiel blades with the Icon for the Custodians)

I know that this is not a compedative list, but I find it fun and interesting.

What would you recommend as the other nemesis weapons for the Terminators, and what's better with the Custodes, 5 guardian spears or 4 Sentinel blades with 5 Storm shields and the Icon, because I really like how their spears look.

>>53725715
>>53726018

Same. They're so widely maligned I'd actually be pleasantly surprised to actually see an army of them.

>>53725972
I don't know if you need two Sorcerer's considering how much they will overlap in their roles, but I also don't think you can actually afford another infantry unit so, no matter.

Vehicles or really big models might be a problem, but you tear through armor saves so you should be able to just fling shots around until they die.

Looks pretty solid overall, not a bunch more you can do with a pure Thousand Sons list.

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>>53725814
These were first guys I ever painted, besides a regular marine that I put a base coat on just to practice how to use the brush. It took me like 2 months to paint them and the highlights are horrible.
Plus I don't know if it's my pot or not but that thousand sons blue dries instantly and is a major pain in the ass imo

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>>53725853
tfw I fell for it because I trusted duncan.

So I just played a 1000pt game tonight against Admech in 8th.

My Tyranids was:
Flyrant with Maggot Deathspitters, Lashwhip+Bonesword and Adrenal Glands
10x Gargoyles
10x Gargoyles with Adrenal Glands
3x Warriors (2 with Deathspitters and Lashwhip+Bonesword. 1 with Barbed Strangler and Lashwhip+Bonesword)
3x Hive Guard with Impaler Cannons
10x Genestealers with Scything Talons+Rending Claws
10x Genestealers with Scything Talons+Rending Claws
Broodlord
Battalion Detachment for a total of 6 Command Points

Admech had:
2x Techpriests (I assume with basic loadout, but don't recall)
3x tanktread guys with Gravcannons and Flamers
10x Vanguard or Rangers (the ones that don't have the long range sniper rifles)
5x Vanguard or Rangers (the ones with the long range sniper rifles(x2))
5x Vanguard or Rangers (the ones with the long range sniper rifles(x2))
1x The weird 2-legged walker thing in shooter variant.

He took first turn and put 4 wounds on my Tyrant, brought the Hive Guard down to 1 guy remaining, and lightly pecked at both units of Gargoyles.
My turn, Gargoyles go flying in like the batshit things they are, both units of Genestealers and Broodlord run up. Miss all my Psychic tests (5's when you need 6's). Charge Genestealers into the nearest sniper unit, overwhelmingly kill them and consolidate into the tanktread guys. Hive Tyrant charges the walker and buttfucks it, then moves closer to the other sniper unit. Gargoyles in the middle hold the ground and act as a speedbump.
Admech turn 2, he puts both Techpriests into Hive Tyrant and Genestealers. Tanktreads fall back. 10man Vanguard/Rangers charge a 5man Gargoyle unit. Tyrant saves everything, Genestealers lose 2 guys, Gargoyles lose 3 guys. Gargoyles out of Synapse lose 1 more guy in morale, but the single guy locks the unit down for charges. Both my Broodlord and other Genestealer unit charge their side's Techpriest. 40 attacks. 35 hit. fails 5 or so forced invuln saves. He scoops, and I don't blame him at all.

>>53726021
Because the Hellforged is a nurgle only unit you dumbass. Do you even fucking do research on the models you slap onto your lists like an autistic retard slapping shit into his mouth?

Furthermore fluffwise it makes absolutely 0 sense to have 1 ahriman buzzing around while everyone else around him is a fucking alpha legionnaire. I'm pretty sure there are keyword rules that say it's illegal now too but I'll have to check. Essentially, not only is it fucking dumb tactically, it makes no sense fluffwise. Take a generic sorc and buff him to shit, it'll be cheaper than ahriman and more useful than him for an Alpha Legion army.

>>53725994
Yes, but I can't tell the difference between Chaos Lord Thragzor, Skullfucker of a million dead, Reaper of the outer worlds of the Guytis Realms and Chaos Lord Bob who's just here for a good time.

>>53726028
>11 silver guys and 5 golden guys go on a gay orgy roadtrip

>>53726021
>and get Ahriman cause he can cast more than normal sorc
FTFY. We all know that's the actual reason, no need to pretend anon.

>>53725972
>>53726038

This is pretty much it. TSons, especially at 1k, are fairly mono-tactic. You march up the board ignoring small arms fire thanks to All Is Dust, and throw a metric tonne of AP-2 bolter shots.

>>53726050
>Because the Hellforged is a nurgle only unit you dumbass

where does it say that?

>>53725972
Take standard Sorc with Jumpack so they can deepstrike with terminators instead. Also, i'd probably take five man warpflamer squad in a Rhino instead of second ten man squad.

>servitors are 14p a pop
fuck this shit fuck you gw

>>53726048
Part of me feels really bad, because it was glaringly one sided after he understood how consolidation works now, and Admech doesn't seem to have something like Get Back In The Fight to allow him to fall back and shoot.

Another part of me doesn't feel bad, because the last 3 or so games against the same player in 7th were really one-sided in his favor. One game I couldn't even get out of my deployment zone without dying, and he was 6 or so points up by the end of his first turn.

>>53726050
>Because the Hellforged is a nurgle only unit you dumbass.
>the rest of that post
listen here you mouth breathing retarded mong, you dont know what you are talking about, so stop the fuck down.

That guy is clearly using arahman to represent a particularly powerful alpha legion sorcerer

>>53726007
That's a good point, but I know someone who's willing to trade me the space marine half of the starter set for the death guard half of mine, so I'm essentially getting a 2-for-1 deal. If I add a couple characters to that, probably Tigurius and Bobby, then I'll have a full sized army for under $300, and can add more shit to it later if I want.
I just don't want to be the "lol Ultramarines" guy at the LGS.
>>53726033
>>53726018
Thanks for the encouragement. All I see is people shitting on them online, so I was worried that people wouldn't want to play with me.

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>>53726050
It has <legion> so i can name it Alpha legion hellforged

>>53726048
How are you getting first turn charges off without psychic powers? How small and empty was the table?

>>53726047
What happened?

>>53726087
Spacing and screening are going to be very important for shooting armies this edition. On one hand that sucks for him, on the other it's a valuable lesson in what he's going to be dealing with in 8th.
Were you happy with your army's performance though man?

>>53726050
Cringe.

Rules question - if a unit can only see one member of an infantry squad, is that all they can kill with their shooting attacks? Or is it like AoS where excess wounds will spill over to other models that aren't visible?

>>53725715

If you like your army you should tell whoever has anything to say to shut the fuck up and play.

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Played a 2v2 game Wednesday with another Guard player and hoping today to play a pretty big one with a friend of mine who plays Carcharadons. Do you anons have any games planned? And are you ready for TWO batreps?

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>>53726048
Although I was going to do the same 2x5 Ranger snipers thing that really doesn't look like the kind of list you want for 8e. I'd keep it down to one Techpriest and no Destroyers(tanktread guys) and add a couple of Dunecrawlers or some Kastelans, I'm not surprised you beat him.

Although those were some seriously fast charges. Did you deploy right next to each other or something? Seems there was sod all shooting really.

>>53726123
Yes, wounds can be allocated to models out of range and/or LOS.

>>53726125
You've left the name on again m8.

>>53726123
how is that a real question?
You're not shooting at models, you're shooting at units
if you can see -a- model in a unit, you can see the unit, shit for brains.

>>53726119
I don't know yet. I've been too afraid to paint them, si I've been painting everything else in my army, working on my technique.

>>53726149
My day's been great anon. Thanks for asking. I hope yours was nice too.

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>>53726149
>shit for brains.

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Rate please. Should I leave the Dread and get more Infantry ?

>>53726135
guys on Chimera "Drive me closer, a want to stroke them with my REALLY big sword"

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>>53726135
no games played yet but I'm all ears

>>53726107
He moved up, and Genestealers (movement 8") can run and charge in the same turn. I rolled a 6 for the run and then a 9 for the charge. This unit starting at 12" from my table edge moved a total of 25" across the middle of the table into his stuff.

>>53726165
i love that model btw

>>53726148

shit

>10 man Rubric squad with Soulreaper cannon was 290 in 7th and is 245 in 8th
>five termies with canon and missile rack was 300 in 7th and is 266 in 8th

You can actually field entire squad of Tzaangors as a bonus, and both units are actually more effective than they were.

Not being overpriced garbage feels amazing. Now to wait for spells, relics and detachment bonuses from their own book.

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>>53726164
do flyers have limits on how many missiles they can shoot a turn anymore?

Typhus:
Lord of corruption with +1S on the melee weapon, a 2d6 S4 Ap-3 pistol, and an extra rule (Poxwalker buff), and a psyker. Otherwise identical.

Typhus is 164 points, lord of contagion is 184.

???????

>>53725794
>all transports were buffed
Except drop pods. Marine fags btfo until the end of time!

>>53726143
We did the Dawn of War deployment (12" from table edge with 24" between our zones.)

He made the mistake of moving. That's all he did wrong, I think.

>>53726120
Very much so, but I still felt a bit bad. I know I don't like the feeling of a one-sided game. It just feels like a formality to sit through most of it.

>>53726188
But anon you can only take one Typhus :^)

>>53726187
what could you possibly mean?
I think the stormraven can shoot either 2d6 frags or 2 kraks, iirc

What would a Thousand Sons dread look like? Would it have been subject to the Rubric? If so, how would I deal with the fleshy bits of the Hellbrute?

>>53726168
Well gratz man but it sounds like he played really poorly.

>He moved up
Fail. Ironstriders have 48" range. No idea what the hell he's doing. Also no screening and allowing consolidation? Mkay.

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>Playing as sisters against tau
>Kick his ass in 5
>Get told sisters are OP shit

>>53725847
Well they're technically not your favorite factions playerbase anymore are they?

The age of the grey tide is upon us.

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>>53726202
I've been out of the game for a bit but I thought there was a 2 missile limit for flyers at one point

>>53726143
To elaborate more, I tried extremely hard to only allow him 1 turn of shooting. If I hadn't made the charges and consolidations I did, I would have eaten a lot more shit.

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>>53725942

>>53726211
your list?

>>53726203
>Would it have been subject to the Rubric?
Yes.

>how would I deal with the fleshy bits of the Hellbrute?
Dont. Get a comtemptorplus FW has a nice TSon dread or two to choose from.

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>>53726211
I bet that was juicy

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>>53726211
well done anon
>tfw whenever I win people never commend my play, always just cry OP ARMY, no matter what I play both in fantasy and 40k

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>>53726048
Don't use lashwhip+Bonesword
It's poop

>>53726135
I played an 8th test game with Khârn and berserkers against a friend's Nurgle daemons and lost hard. Not having initiative makes getting the charge so important, and the 2cp ability to switch combat order was critical to my loss. Plague drones are tough in close combat, but Berserkers put out a ridiculous number of attacks.
Nurgle's Disgustingly Resiliant rule and daemonic instability are both really good. I forsee lots of Nurgle armies in my shop.

>>53726164
You don't need any troops? just fast attack for that force and it's legal?

fuck i need to relearn everything. the new forge org is messing with my head since we've been using formations for so long

>>53725972
seems pretty fluffy to me, is it for narrative play?

>>53726219
well you can take a looksie at the indexes on the OP and look at the profiles of the flyers
they work just like other guns, number of shots and everything according to their weapon profiles

Anyone got an Admech points list sheet so I can easily look up how much shit is going to cost? Flipping between these pages is just a fucking pain.

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>>53726247
formations sucked, I'm glad they are gone. I barely played any 6th or 7th edition. I'm stoked for 8th

>>53726248

Nah, just regular show-up-and-play play. Being fluffy is just a bonus.

>>53726239
Wanted to play it safe in the event the Hive Tyrant got killed in melee at least I'd be able to chance a kill back. But looking at that, yeah, Boneswords/Talons looking hot.

>>53726260
page 149

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How do peeps feel about ork buggies/trakks now? they look expensive for what I get.

Have our adepticon display board from 5 years back

>>53726212
This is some small solace. As well as the fact that my Tau lists have always been quite good at mulching infantry. 8th is looking quite promising

Generally, how are admech in 8th? I've heard they lost a bit of their flavor rules-wise, and the Skitarii troop choices were nerfed, although to what extent I am unaware.

My army is three 5 man Vanguard squads, two with Arc rifles and one with Plasma Calivers, and a squad of rangers with 2 of the large sniper rifles with monopods (I gave them those after hearing about how charactesr work in 8th, and what a sniper might be able to do). Aside from that, I had a Techpriest Dominus and a DUnecrawler armed with a neutron laser.

So, are AdMech, specifically these units, no longer very good? IF so, that's a shame because I really like the Mechanicus, and I also really liked how well their rules fit them back in 7th.

>>53726167
>>53726165
I'll try anons as soon as i can but i should be able to get it in. And still no games of 8th yet i wish i could join all of you but at my store we have to wait till the indexes and shit arrive to play it.

>>53725504
>>53725518
>>53725519
>>53725520
IT'S TIME FOR FOOT SLOGGIN, BOYZ

>>53726278
>cotton wool for when the models fall off
Damn, that's a good idea.

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>>53726290
sounds good matey

>>53726233
Canoness
Celestine
2 retributor squads
2 seraphim squads
2 exorcists
2 imagifers
2 hospitallers

Ah and 2 non sister units
Vindicare (worthless)
And an inquisitor (with dominate)

Only 2nd game of 8th but I think I had the rule right, he had longstrike who IS a character, and who may have got dominated a couple turns.

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How's this for a fluffy list to start out with?

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>>53726294
and it looks like clouds! We won the display contest that year, so that's neat

>>53726299
on foot? that's a really basic list, good for you

>>53726278
They are way too pricey. You're really not getting much shooting out of them but they can still just charge in and tie up units and stop them from shooting.

>be me

>live in Maine

>only one GW store in the entirety of Maine

>barely a store, just a fucking aisle

>in portland

>going to be moving upstate soon

>2 and a half hours away from portland

>closest place to where I am in Games Citadel

>doesn't look like it sells minis

>mfw

>>53725730

I've yet to see evidence of this other than the 600 conscript meme, played 3 games vs them and won with not particularly optimal lists

>>53726328
internet

>>53726320
that's kinda my feeling too. Ah well, kopters seem crazy expensive too but maybe more useful

>>53725779

>thinking any marines are hard to paint

Never painted a dark eldar model before obviously

Just got 2 Wave serpents and a fire prism for £55 on ebay, not thats a fucking steal. too bad the points cost for tanks has sky rocketed

>>53726304
Acceptable if you're converting the conscripts from empire flagellants or something to look like a religious rabble.

Unacceptable if you're just using cadian models for some 3 point bodies.

>>53726343

I'm aware of that. I just kinda prefer paying for the product and getting it right then and there, instead of waiting possibly up to a week for delivery.

>>53726188
>sell remaining stock of typhus
>nerf him when the codex comes out
>"new" gw

>>53726283
Admech look pretty good overall. Rangers seem to be a bit of a dud but other then that everything appears to have a use.

Onagers are godly and the army has good synergy so yeah you'll be fine.

Wht is the current status for grav tanks, like eldar ones how has jink been transferred up into 8th ed

>>53726188
Anyway I'm working on a nurgle list since I have AoS daemons.

Great Unclean One, 20 Plaguebearers with instrument and icon, 3 nurgligns, herald of nurgle, 3 plague drones with instrument, soul grinder to start the list off at 950 points, giving me 1050 points of death guard.

For the death guard component, here's what I was thinking:

Typhus (164)
7 plague marines with power axe and 2 blight launchers (180)
7 plague marines with power axe and 2 blight launchers (180)
20 poxwalkers (120)
Foetid blight drone (158)
Chaos rhino with 2 combi bolters (74)
Chaos rhino with 2 combi bolters (74)

>>53726356
Alright, thanks.

Doesn't seem like much of a change then, as Rangers were pretty meh compared to Vanguard last edition too.

Alright anons, give me some feedback to my Emperor's Children warband:

DP w/ wings, twin claws, warp bolter - 187pts
Lord w/ jump pack, twin lightning claws - 106pts

2x scourge & twin las Helbrutes - 330pts

quad-las pred - 202pts

5x 6-man noise marine squads (5x sonic blasters, 1x blastmaster) - 720pts

3x 6-man raptor squads (twin lightning claws, 2x plasma pistols) - 387pts

Comes to 1932pts, what do with the 67 points remaining?

>>53726391

Cultists for objective camping or something I dunno

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Can someone explain why guard are top tier now and how I can compete against my friend who is planning on fielding all artillery (Wyverns, Basilisks, Master of Ordances, Commisars, and Mortars) as Orks

So if I want to mix Tzeentch Daemons into TSons, does that means Rubrics stop being troops? Or do I just need to keep the Thousand Sons keyword on the rubrics to keep them as troops?

>>53725482
>>53725555
>>53725564
My favorite traitors along with TS. Too bad I'm a loyalist. Maybe I should paint some of my marines as totally not legionnaires.

>>53726351
What are you talking about! Wave serpents are cheap as anyhting and almost can't be killed.
They are insanely cheap compared to falcons, and live so much longer

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>>53726413
Only Alpha legion really loyal

>>53726408
He won't fit many tanks into his army because they're all as expensive as fuck now. Tank armies are really underwhelming because they're small as fuck and blast weapons are just random damage now. Just horde his ass.

>>53726368
Oh my god! If we could take a <Regiment> that gave all the infantry little grenade D3 24" launchers under their guns that would be so cool!

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>>53726433
Isn't the Wyvern unDer 100 pts and gets to Reroll 1s with MoO and Reroll wounds still? I fucking hated these things last edition and they don't look like they're any more balanced this edition

>>53726408
Guard Top Tier is due to their infantry. The Heavy support section was severely nerfed by the loss of blast templates.

If your friend is bringing lots of Basilisks and Wyverns and stuff, he will still be strong, but his army will be quite small and many of his damage output will be constrained by 1s and 2s on the random shots rolls.

Whats are best choices for chaos termies now?

>>53726408
Orks are top tier too. But heavy artillery lists are not playing to IG's biggest strength, the sheer number of bodies.

>>53726408
Guard are too tier if you spam conscripts, hws, and scions.

Guard artillery is actually nothing to worry about. You'll be fine.

Primaris Alpha Legion why?

>>53726494
You mean when?

>>53725504

Well, whether Ork walkers are op or not now, they're still hitting the table enmass as always.

im thinking of finally actually playing the game and not just watching other people play in awe this edition
Im thinking of playing custodes
how likely am I to kill my poor sweet innocent hands try to paint those beautiful gold banana men

>>53726363
Dark Angels get some jink rule, not sure how it works, everyone else list it. But some vehicles like the dark Eldar ones git invuln saves to make up for it.

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>>53725639

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>>53726476
>>53726485
>>53726493
Well this gives me a little hope, last edition he would lay build against me and bright Wyverns and Flamer vets in chimeras to flame my own topped embattled Boyz or destroy me in overwatch. I probably have PTSD

>>53726162
You target choose units to shoot but target model by model. If the first model kills the only visible model from the target unit the next shooting model has no targets.

Read the rules plox.

>>53726521
What happens if the shooting model had let's say 6 shots and the first shot kills the only visible model? Do you allocate the rest of the wounds to non-visible models in the unit?

>>53726507
Gold and metallics in general are easy to paint. Flat colors are what's difficult.

>>53726470
They're 93 points for an average of 7 S4 hits.

Then with reroll wounds, they're killing about 4 boys a turn. Not to shabby, but not crazy either.

>>53726531
Don't know. Rules are badly written.

>>53726521
you fire all shots in a unit at once retard

>>53726518
Buy more boyz, footslog them. Eternal WAAAGH!! achieved.

>>53726148
Shooting is done on a per-model basis. You should technically go through all the models and shoot with each after the previous is done. Therefore you won't be able to shoot to a unit with a model even if the last model coud see it and killed the last visible model in the unit

>>53726541
Oh that's not bad, I thought they were 4d6. I'm used to them killing 30 Boyz in one turn

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Will FW give us reasonably point-costed Vultures? Will this truly be the age of BRRRRRRRRT?

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Sisters leaked, prepare for the crazy, it starts here

What if i dont charge at enemy, but move in 1"?

>>53726149
Last edition you could only damage models that were in range and line of sight of your unit, it's not a stupid question :\

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>>53726568
DOUBTERS BTFO

>it's another "anon purposefully gets the rules wrong to start an argument" episode
>with a "rules are badly written" and/or "this needs a FAQ" follow-up
Welp, it was a nice thread while it lasted.

>>53726557
I think you are right but the rules are unclear an non-algorithmic. How hard is to open a FFG rulebook a copy the wording?

>>53726568
That looks too good to be a GW female model.

>>53726568
fake and gay

>>53726568
Please don't bully sisters of battle players. The three of them don't need anymore false hope.

>>53726568
Primaris Sisters?

>>53726408
fuck him up with a combo of warbuggies/deffkoptas/kommandos/snikrot

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>>53726568

>>53726557
Pretty sure you allocate all the attacks for a unit, before rolling to hit.

It'd be pretty tedious to roll each Lasgun one at a time to save on Overkill.

>>53726568
>that level of detail
Must be some kind of giant model

>>53726602
Titan-sister

>>53726595
oh sick burn

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>>53726568

>>53726568
PRIMARIS SISTERS HWEN???

BIG SISTER MM

>>53726602
might be a video game model, I'd say

>>53726368
>HEAVY LASGUN
oh my Jesus Christ. May be Lascannon?

>>53725496

Warp Spiders cannot jump, shoot, jump.

Curious, but do Imperial Knights or Wraith Knights get as many attacks as Orkanaut do now?

Also, how much regular infantry like Boyz or Guardsmen could you throw at an Orkanaut before one is brought down in melee?

>>53726599
Yes, you are at step 4 of shooting when resolving attacks. Already targeted and even those behind walls can die.

>>53726561
They are 4d6. Which averages 14 shots, 7 hits about 5 wounds and about 4 unsaved wounds against orks.

>>53726568
That's so obviously not a miniature. Details are far too thin, way to many things requiring undercuts. Far more realistic proportions than GW sculpts. It's either for a video game or someone's CGI project.

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>>53726596
>>53726621
>BIG SISTER MM

For you?

>>53726652
fucking ew

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Its stupid newbie-alpha legionnair again. This is better?

>>53726621
Sister would be MAGNA-PRIMARIS battle sister, size as Warlord titan

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>>53726352
they're just guardsmen models, painted to be generic planetary defense force.

Sisters swooping in to reinforce/save some shitty PDF guys is what I'm thinking.

that list or this one, not sure which to use.

my 2000 point list is literally these two smushed together (>>53726304)
Not sure what to do about 1500/1850/etc yet though.

>>53725730
"Gitsmakk, get the big shoota"

So just got back from my first 8th edition game. 1.5k my Thousand Sons versus my buddy's Black Templars.basic "murder everything, whoever has the most points alive at the end wins". Lost by 32 points.

I just have to say one thing. Fuck the Emperor's Champion. One-hit KO'D both my HQs, a Daemon Prince (12 wounds on the charge) and a Terminator Sorcerer (6 wounds on the charge). Actually 2 things, vanguard vets with power weapons are BRUTAL.

I'm quite pleased by my rubrics' performance though, even in CC they took out a 9-man crusader squad while being bumped into by 2 rhinos. And Maulerfiends are fun, one of them smashed a terminator squad to pulp.

I am sorely disappointed with my psychic phase though, and honestly I'm not even sure DPs are worthwhile anymore.

Well, I just fired one of my paint-test chaos cultists out of the window while cutting him off his base to use it for something else. I hope he's not going to found a 28mm cult now, I'd rather not have to make some tiny inquisitors to clean house.

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>>53726453
Elysians had rules for Aux Grenade Launchers, but I think only sergeants and Command Squads could take them, and maybe veterans.

>>53726641
yeah I don't know what the "one guy at a time" retards are even going on about, wew laddie.

>>53726669
You can use DP to make your units hit on 2s rerolling 1s.

It's pretty good.

>>53726664
Not a listbuilding problem, but I don't think the chaos terminators box comes with any lightning claws. It definitely doesn't come with five pairs. So, that might cause a little bit of an issue unless you're using that cataphractii box or something.

>>53725496
Shokk attack guns are no longer random bullshit. they're usable and reliable now. :(

>>53726677
>small soldiers: chaos edition happens
Anon what have you done

>>53725482
Why is the GoT Stark house wolf photoshopped three times onto the shield?

Mawlocs seem like good ways to assassinate commisars while doing good damage to the conscripts around them.

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>>53726694
> cataphractii box
I plan to use them
>>53726707
Its Hydra

>>53726689
Rerolling 1s is a fair point but hit on 2s? Also with wings they cost 212 points for a 6" bubble, not sure it's worth the cost.

That said, stacking HQ buffs is strong. His vanguard vets and emp's champ were buffed by a captain and chaplain.

>>53726710
tyranid sniper unit when

>>53726368
>tacticool bullpup lasguns
put a red dot or a holo on it instead of a scope and I'm in love

>>53726715
Another anon - at true, nigga-alpharius with shield is photoshop

>>53726715
no it's a wolf hydra.
MtG creature types have taught me any creatures can be combined.
Fish Crab: Move like fish, fight like crab.
Cat Snake: Long Cat get rekked.

>>53726715
why is it alpha legion and not omega
since A boy is fucking dead but omegon not necessarily

>>53726744
Omegon in new A guy

>>53726689
Also vehicles are now pretty goddamn tough. They require actual good focus now to get rid of. I can imagine a land raider to now be worth its points. It's going to be fucking invincible.

>>53726719
He can cast Precognition to add 1 to hit. Also, you don't really need the wings if you want to sit him back while buffing your gunline.

That being said, Rubrics should have fairly easy time ripping marines to shreds, even in melee with AS's force axe, so i don't know why you had problems with that list.

Playing my first 2k game today with the following:

Battalion
>5x Rangers
>5x Rangers
>5x Rangers
>3x War Walkers - 6x Missile Launchers
>Night Spinner
>Farseer Skyrunner
>Warlock

Outrider Detachment
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannon
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannon
>3x Windriders - 3x Shruiken Cannon
>Autarch Skyrunner - Laser Lance

LoW Detachment
>Wraithknight - Suncannon, Scattershield, 2x Starcannons

>>53726561
>I'm used to them killing 30 Boyz in one turn
Bullshit. That isn't physically possible. If you bunch your minis like a retard, you might be able to fit seven orks under one blast template. With four templates, that's a maximum of 28 hits. Realistically, you would be lucky to get three models with a blast. More than ten casualties from a wyvern is rather unlikely.

>>53726715
I love the fucking color of alpha legion

>>53726681
>lsgn

>>53726761
Eh. I like Predator/DP combo, giving Pred assured hits. They'll do like 10 wounds on average, and you can spend a CP to turn that 2 damage into something more respectable.

>>53725847
Tau are followers not leaders. Just look at their Ethereals. Life imitates art, the internet says theyre bad so they follow.

>>53726761

Too bad most vehicles now have extremely lack luster shooting.

Is the Swarmlord worth it if running a Horma-heavy horde list, you think?

>>53726791
Eh, the chaos raider has 4 as cannons and 2 heavy bolters. Can take a special weapon and a havok launcher fort some respectable fire power on an invincible assault boat
>T8, 2+, 16 wounds

>>53726801
Try it out.

>>53726801
more like homo heavy list.

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someone r8 my autism

I posted the sister, just something from a Korean Instagram could be whatever.
Good job fa/tg/uys not ruining the entire thread, I'm proud of yous.
Now where are my cork bases...

>>53726826

>Fun/10

>>53726050

Hellforged leviathans are not nurgle only

There is nothing keeping him from taking Ahriman in a AL list

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> Meltagun
> 17 points
> Inferno Pistol
> 20 points

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>>53725927
>Painboy can't be sniped
Snipers hit characters without needing a 6 to hit now and there is no 'look out sir' for orks. Painboys get twice the wounds, but can be hit about six times more easily.

>>53726826
Get run over by eighty boys/10

>>53726625
It's got LMG bits on it, looks more like a SAW role

>>53726855
You can shoot the pistol in CC

>>53726826
>10/10 my tall autist marines won't be able to shoot all those helbrutes

>>53726762
I gave Prescience to my Termie Sorc along with Warptime so he buffs my Scarab Occult, but I didn't manage to get it off. Gave Infernal Gaze to my DP. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend that many points on a buffer with limited magic though.

They did rip marines to shreds, don't get me wrong. The vanguard vets were far away though, they charged the SO with Chaplain and Captain, ate 3 damage and then bukkake'D me with tons of power weapon and fist attacks. Dead on the charge.

>>53726625
That image was made before volley guns were a thing. It'd just be a non-hotshot volley gun. The missing link between lasgun and multilaser.

>>53726625
>>53726866
the RPG games had lasgun variants which allowed them to fill in more the variety rifles have.
The table top is too abstracted for those variants to mean anything.

>>53726278

Is that ynnari raiding a death watch fortress?

>>53726826
You sure like missile launchers

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Should I get some chaos rhinos for my plague gaurd?

Is the new WAAC army list a tax gsc detach, a detachment of nidzilla and a detachment of conscript/commisar guard?

The IG outswarming the nids, the nids outtanking the guard.

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>>53726740
????

>>53726937
>5 years ago
>Ynnari
Anon..

>>53726955

Sorry saw the mixed deldar+craftworld (innit?) and just assumed

>>53726861
Would all those boyz really be able to handle 7d6 missile launcher frag hits rerolling 1s? Each of those Helbrutes also has 7 attacks. Abaddon would also deepstrike when zerkers are about to charge to give them rerolls.

>>53726939
They are extremely versatile.

>>53726991
For you

>>53726629

hahahahahhhahahhahahahahaahahahhahahhahahah

>>53726952
Wait!
that pic!
does that person really have no idea what a ferret is?

>>53726826
The words "missile launcher" appears exactly 7 times in this list

>>53726826
>up to 42 frag missiles a turn
the absolute madman

>>53726935
Yeah, I'm just saying, from a /k/ perspective. It's got a bibod and what looks like a beefy power pack that extends horizontally, as well as what should be a quick-change barrel (that's what that top handle thing should do but it's probably just a hip firing holder because the people who made that image are retarded)
>>53727011
They're from Richmond, VA, anon. What do you think?

>>53726826
add one missile launcher. Khorn would be smile

>>53725715
I'm getting 2x the death guards + typhus and 2 helldrake probably. Why even feel ashamed? Unless you play with a dirty unpainted army.

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>>53726043
Those look good as hell you self loathing motherfucker

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death comes for me, but at least it will be a rainbow clusterfuck.

Tell me why its shit. I am assuming a Techmarine can repair Stormraven while riding inside.

1999/2000pt

Battalion Detachment

>Mephiston
>Techmarine (Chainsword)
>5x Terminator Squad (Heavy Flamer)
>5x Tactical Squad
>5x Tactical Squad
>5x Tactical Squad
>Baal Predator (Twin Assault Cannon, 2x Heavy Bolters)
>Baal Predator (Twin Assault Cannon, 2x Heavy Bolters)
>Stormraven Gunship (Twin Assault Cannon, Twin Heavy Bolter, 2x Hurricane Bolters, 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher)

Vanguard Detachment
>Lemartes
>8x Death Company (Jump Packs, 3x plasma pistols, 3x power swords)
>8x Death Company (Jump Packs, 3x plasma pistols, 3x power swords)
>DC Dreadnought (Furioso Fists, Storm Bolter, Meltagun)

Mephiston, Techmarine, Terminator squad and DC Dreadnought in Stormraven

>>53726043
This is actually ok, the only thing that sticks out here is the cultist for fluff reasons.

>>53727063
I don't know a lot about Eldar, especially in 8th, but that list looks god damn awful

>>53726568
That is most certainly not a 28mm model. GW said they were destroying the 'white patriarchal 40k' a few weeks ago, but they're not doing it with this. It's either a 3D model mockup for actual models, or it's a sculpt for a 90mm model or something.

tl;dr FAKE AND GAY.

>>53726991
>They are extremely versatile.
has anyone don the analysis of the helbrute weapons? i imagine reapers aer good with 4 shots, but thats just a gut reaction

>>53726696
This right here, have 4 Shokk Attack Gunz that aren't really fun to use anymore

>>53726765
More than one I should have explained, usually 2. And realistically spreading out 2 inches isn't possible with the size of deployment zones

Lads have there been any leaks on what's due for release next? Is it Mortarion or the Grand Cultivator of Nurgle or whatever? There was no release this week so I guess Mortarion next, but who knows?

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>>53727095
>GW said they were destroying the 'white patriarchal 40k' a few weeks ago
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Thats not true

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>>53727114
Not him but it is unfortunately

>>53727067
>I am assuming a Techmarine can repair Stormraven while riding inside.
Afraid not, you can't do anything inside a vehicle unless the model's rules explicitly say that they can do that thing inside a vehicle. I made the same mistake with the idea of a mek riding in a battlewagon and repairing it as he goes.

>mfw I'm a good goy and bought the Limited Edition + All Books
>mfw I still haven't got them
>mfw pirates have already gotten their books and have made lists and read it all

I'm starting to question why I'm buying stuff when pirates get it 2 weeks earlier than me.

>>53727113
i think a new edition is coming out

>>53726700
To be fair, that would be fairly easy to deal with for a 40k player. I have a Knight and a reasonable Admech army to run down a bunch of cultists, I think I'll be fine if I fasttrack the Whale-Stormbird project for air power.

Also I did manage to use that greenstuff rolling pin to make some bases, they're drying now and in a few hours I'll cut them out and trim them down. Not the smoothest, but they'll do for random scrubby scoutbots.

>>53727038
>They're from Richmond, VA, anon. What do you think?
That would only be true if they were a nigger. As it stands it's just a dumb white bitch with a phone, which can be found in any fucking city sadly.

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>>53727114
See >>53727124 you dummy!

>>53727092

Why? Because I'm not being a WAACfag?

>>53727124
>reply to crazy person with genric coprate speak
>'OH NOS GUYZ THE FEMMISTIS ARE IN GEE DUBBSA AHHHHHHHHH'
You are a retard if you believe anything will change in that regard

>>53727113
I think there was nothing up for preorder this week because they're giving the new edition two weeks of preorders.

>>53725968
funny enough, in both of my games of 8th so far, vehicles exploding have been turning points in the matches. In my first match, orks vs tyranids, I had a battlewagon explode, and deal 4 damage to my opponents broodlord that was making his way through my dudes towards my Warboss. The battlewagon also took out a nearby dakkajet which ALSO exploded and dropped from the sky to crush the broodlord to death. In my second game, genestealer cults vs Space Wolves vs Inquisiton (janky sisters, gk, and deathwatch list one of my regular opponents likes to run). We only made it through two full turns (store was closing) but in this match I had a rockgrinder explode and take out the remaining two sisters locked in combat with a axe/shield dreadnought, which freed up the sisters player to fire 8 meltaguns at it. (he had used the act of faith that allows him to swing to punch the last wound off of my rockgrinder, and then bribed me with 1 command point to ask me to reroll the explode result, which resulted in my rockgrinder exploding, exactly as he had hoped.)

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>>53727138
No anon, its you who is the dummy here