/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - Loyalist/Traitor Edition

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I need people who waifu/husbando primarchs to talk to on Discord.

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>>53702172
>and new blood was disappointed to learn $230 wasn't enough for FW.
I'm not new, Uni. I just can't remember FW prices.

Question about Dreadclaws. Do I have to glue the block for the stand to connect to claw, or is it possible to magnetize the block without it getting too wobbly? If I have to, I'll just glue it on, but it looks odd off the stand is all.

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>>53702193

>>53702272
I actually glued the block to the base and just manually put the fin on the block. The whole thing sucks and is super precarious.

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>>53702193
I'm here for you.

>>53702324
I tested that, but I think the block is a little too loose for that. I would not trust it.

That being said, I love the claw. Sure, it's a finicky thing AND a recast, but I want to get 2 more some day.

>>53702358
Esdeath you cringelord fuck off

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>>53702402
You prefer men then?

Lexicanum has been buggy all day

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB LEX ADMINS

>>53702449
I prefer people who aren't massive cringelords.

>>53702480
You'll have to leave this thread then.

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>>53702480
PLZ

>>53702551
Edgy =/= cringelord.

Konrad-senpai is BEAUTIFULLY EDGY. Konrad is beauty.

>>53702611
Night cringe Lord, with tiny batwings on his helmet

I blame John French.

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>>53702639
BEAUTY, I SAY

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>>53702480
>>53702611
The audacity of this batmarine.

As the proud owner of a bunch of claws, I'm fucking terrified they will still eat occupants in the Imperial Armor book. I did not pay you chucklefucks hundreds of dollars for something to consume hundreds of dollars in other models I bought from you.

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>>53702691
BEAUTY
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>>53702738
Stap.

>>53702723

Wrong thread, but maybe you can answer my claw question up here >>53702272

As for eating people in 40k, don't think they will mostly because demonic possession is gone. If anything, maybe it will be like daemon engines and recover 1W per turn, but I am genuinely curious as to how it will work in 8th. T8 12W flier that shits on things it flies over maybe?

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>>53702776
No

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>>53702826

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How can other legions even compete?

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>>53702826
What did I say?
>>53703017
You are like little baby.

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>>53703041
*is jesus*

So I'm converting a baneblade to be the centre piece for my militia army, and I want to make it look more like the legion superheavies, can anyone give me measurements of the side panels of a falchion/glaive

>>53703110
>THICCguinius

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>>53703041
Easily. By being the Emperor's favorite.

>>53703110
Ah come on, don't spill the Kool aid!

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>>53703457
Riiiight... Kool-Aid...

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>>53703223
Emperor loved no one bar Mankind fool.

>>53703464
>FUCKING HORUS GET OFF MY TERRA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>53703556
Notice that I never said loved, you poor, jealous fool.

If Vulkan isn't the emperor's compassion, then what does he represent ?

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>>53703041

>>53704556
The Emperor's desire to become a simple farmer after he ensures Chaos can't fuck up humanity's future like it did with the Eldar

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Why doesn't Corax get any love on /hhg/?

>>53704556
HIS IMMORTALITY
How many times do we have to go over this? FFS.

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>>53704677

>>53704717
Immortality isn't a characteristic like what the other have, it would be the same problem if you said the Lion's inherited trait was his swordmanship

>>53704798
>As with all the Primarchs, Vulkan inherited an aspect of his father. However for him this was the unique ability of being a perpetual, making him essentially immortal.

>>53704556
Vulkan is not a compassionate guy. He has fucking Manus telling him he's a brutal fuck, idk what else you need.

>>53704888
Source ?

>>53704884
Can't argue with BL I guess

>>53704677

Because its /tg/ where its cool to hate loyalists unless they're autistic castle builders and defenders.

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>>53704888
He calls him a brutal fuck because him and his Legion use fire-based weaponry at almost every given opportunity. Which is funny coming from the Gorgon, who flip flops between caring about humanity and being as cold as his namesake, who's Legion absolutely hated their humanity after his death.

By comparison, the Salamanders are known throughout the Imperium as being one of the few Legions that actually gave more than a passing glance of concern for regular humans, before and after the Heresy. In Forgotten Sons, Heka'tan goes out of his way to protect the former remembrancer stuck with them on their Stormbird when it gets shot down, and goes to find her and make sure she's ok when she doesn't come back right away during the court hearing.

IW have absolutely no grounds for calling out Salamanders on being 'humane' when they're one of the most inhuman of the Legions.

>>53705419
That's the Salamanders, not Vulkan himself. Individual personalities in a legion can vary wildly and let's be real, Ferrus would not be happy with how the Iron Hands are running his legion.

>>53705481
Regardless, Manus' criticism is of Vulkan and his Legion as a whole, since they're all pyros. And that's still kind of a moot point when you consider all of the other horrific weapons Astartes bring to bear on live humans on a regular basis. Chain-weapons are a staple of every Legion, and I'd consider them pretty damn brutal too, even without considering their biggest fans, the SW and WE.

We also don't have a whole lot on Vulkan himself in terms of how he regards regular humans. Most of his development as a character has been Istvaan V and onward, in varying states of dismemberment.

>>53703041
By defending Terra and the Emperor.

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>>53706229
Good job.

>>53706539
I'm actually really curious as to how the immediate aftermath of the siege of terra worked out

we all know how the situation in orbit was, but how were the last hours on the ground? Did the White Scars slaughter the routing traitors? How long did the Loyalist Primarchs take to arrive?

I heard there's going to be a Scouring book series, and I'm intruiged, despite the amount of Skub it will undoubtetly produce, I'm actually curious about the Primarchs post-Heresy interactions.

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>>53704677
Humblest Primarch doesn't need defending. It should also be no surprise to anyone that RG players keep to the shadows.[\spoiler]

Given how massively OP Archmagi are in the fluff, would it be possible for one to have his own comfy hobby hangar or something? Random half-assembled nonsense scattered around, storeroom off to one side filled with assorted parts giant servo-arms built in so you can actually move big stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Magos Reductor or something tinkering with random war machines in his downtime and making his own random Frankenstein artillery.

>>53706539
Better job than Ultras.

I've been thinking a bit recently, regarding the Unknown Legions, particularly with all the hoopla going on over Dark Imperium. Originally, the Unknown Legions existed to serve as a vague origin point for players to base their personal chapter of Marines on if they didn't like any of the 18 others. This allowed for creativity and open-ended-ness, which was the prevailing mindset of the time. However, these days this is not the case. The Unknown Legions are strictly off limits, not only as a origin source but for any kind of fluff material. Now, they exist only in the literal sense, beyond that they have no value and no connection.

Now, what do you think it would be like if they were revealed? Still dead, still a point in history, but no longer this impermeable 'Do Not Touch' field on the setting? What if they get utilized in 40k, born again as part of Cawl's chad-marine project? Would it really be all that bad if we knew the Unknown Legions? Their original purpose died decades ago, now they simply just 'are'.

>>53706730
I thought that was most magos worth their salt. If they can merit running a structure of their own, they'd probably have their own workshop or area for personal projects.

>>53707275
Only if they can make suitably different and cool looking miniatures for them. It's GW so the first thing they need to know with an idea like this always going to be: how is it going to sell miniatures?

>>53707275
This is something I would like to see; then again I get curious as fuck so it makes me ask what the fuck they would be like. Since all the known legions are based on historical examples of past cultures I bet that they would be some form of Aztec tie in and either Zulu/Maori perhaps?

Hopefully none of the weaboo like shit, but knowing FW... at most something Feudal Japan inspired?

>>53707275
I think it would be more of this nu-metal shit and that every fan who fetishises the II and XIth is underage or retard and only marginally better than the dense smelly muh muhs that like the yiffs.

>>53707383
nu-metal? I dont follow

So what's so special about FW resin that makes it so expensive?

>>53707651
Quality is inconsistent, material is fragile and the edges look like potato chips

>>53707651
It's handled by real women before being packaged up and sold to the nerds.

>>53707684
Kek'd

>>53702172
Conservative DUP coalition is the result lads
Pound will wobble

>>53707651
If it fucks up you get a whole new kit

>>53708207
Not unexpected, really. Still a pain in the ass since I need an assortment of Chinese recasts for my Mechanicum, and they charge in dollars, plus Malinax transfers that'll probably be about £20. Enjoy your cheaper loot the rest of you, though. Sucks May didn't make good on promising to resign in this situation, but that's expected of the bloody Tories at this point I suppose.

Aaand that's our threadly politics ration done.

>>53708207
>tfw my interest in British politics is solely due to my desire for cheaper little resin soldier men

>>53708674

I bought my first export from Britain for the first time ever because of this whole Brexit thing (I ordered a Talons of the Emperor box when it came out for under retail value) so I definitely know the feeling. Not happy to see Britain going through this, but hey I'm for anything that will make Forgeworld cheaper.

>>53704641

I kek'ed.

>>53706539

At least they showed up. Better than literally trying to Byzantineize the empire.

At least the Dangles have the goddamn common courtesy to feel bad about their failure to make it to Terra in time. Better than you motherfuckers.

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>>53704677

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>>53702172
I am in need of Iron Father pictures for science. IHfags, I need you to post them.

>>53708911
I think you mean balkanise, or cut your losses

>>53706574
Yeah, that'll be interesting to see.

The existing fluff has the Blood Angels going berzerk after Sanguinius dies. They all leave their defensive positions in a suicidal rush, and when Horus dies all the daemons disappear. That makes the BA charge less suicidal and they start pushing the traitors back. The Scars have been defending the spaceport that they had previously taken (where Mortarion fought the Khan). They're in shock at what the Blood Angels are doing, but then they join the rout. Canonically, Angron shakes his fist as he boards a transport and everyone leaves before the UM and DA fleets can trap the traitors..

>>53707275
They're not worth putting much effort into, since so few people play in an early-Great Crusade setting.

But yeah, they might as well tell us what they had in mind for the lost legions. Now that they were canonically not present during the Heresy, they don't serve the purpose of being a blank slate for you to play with.

>>53707651
Low sales volume.

Japanese plastic model kits are a lot cheaper than GW's because they sell an order of magnitude more. Short-run resin model airplane kits (for obscure subjects that haven't been covered by the mainstream guys) are pricey and low in quality, a lot like how FW kits were in the beginning. FW's now selling more kits than those guys are, so they've upped the quality significantly. Still expensive, though.

Also, resin models are fairly labor-intensive to cast.

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What is it about horus heresy that attracts such autism this thread included

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>>53711323
Tbh, it's probably a combination of the historical aspects, the sense of scale, the power-level of the setting (Big E, Primarchs, and events that carried great weight through history into 40k), the fact that the setting wasn't at 100% Grimdark yet, special weapons and armor you don't really get to use in 40k, as well as the game itself being 'relatively' balanced.

As for the autism levels of the thread, well, we ARE on /tg/. It's no /a/ or /v/, but we manage

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>>53711323
>>53712051
I'd say it's also for the possibility of using the traitor legions a marine army instead of Chaos Marines ft Cultists and chaosshit, especially loyal IW or DG instead of spiky/bloated puss guys.

>>53711323
listen to the podcasts,
all of them are a hot mess of fucking weirdos in denial.

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>>53712160
you got me

>>53711323
I've heard stories about the guy who made that army and apparently he has just about all the legions represented in such fashion.

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>>53712966

>>53712966
He posts in here occasionally. And yes, he has pretty much every army and custom made primarchs.

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What's the biggest, scariest and most badass unit in your army, anons? Deathstars, Superheavies, Titans, SHflyers, whatever.
Failing that, do you have any models that never seem to do anything less than insanely well?

>>53712160
So am I, so I like listening to them.

>>53713144
What does he say to people who point out that everything he does looks like shit?

>>53713146
I play Sons of Horus. My biggest unit is the Warhound Titan, which is just insane. The best units though are combi-plasma vets with Marksmen. 2+ to hit with Death Dealer is ridiculously good.

>>53713221
I think he can barely type english. So not sure.

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Are Destroyers viable at all? Their fluff seems fun, but on paper I'm not entirely sure how well they'd fare on the table.

>>53713374
With Bligh dead they might soon be.

>>53713259
>combi vets with Marksmen
Excuse me, my Castellax just ran away in fear and hid behind the cat, I had to go fetch them back.
Those bastards are the bane of my goddamn existence, I'm making some cyber-occularis the moment my greenstuff tools show up to deal with the two pods of them the local SoH has to blast away threats to his Levi Dread.

Still, Warhounds be scary. Has it ever hit the tabletop or been blasted off it?

gyrfalcon jetbikes have illastus bolt cannons, buy i can't find their rules. any help anons?

>>53713374
Their only problem is how much they cost, especially the first five. In a large game, a full squad can be... well, they'll still be points-inefficient, but they can work because you'll have a lot of other units that can take advantage of the -1T that rad causes.

>>53713513
It's a typo. Should be Lastrum.

>>53713146
Falchion or Russ with a bodyguard.

>>53713411
Magnus blasted it off the table last weekend. I was playing sacrificial offering and wanted to Outflank it, rolled to seize as a joke and got a 6 (of fucking course) which let him counter-deploy Magnus and a shitload of Sekhmet against me. It actually worked out in my favor because he ended up using Magnus against a fairly small portion of my army while 100 Zealot, Rending cultists took the other half of the board. Game ended 12-10 I believe.

The best it's ever done was actually in a 40k game, against AdLance. My opponent was keeping his Knights close together and my templates scattered perfectly, then I rolled three 6s and got them all at the same time.

>>53713522
So, kinda pricey like a lot of Marines in regular power armor. I'm noticing a trend here.

>>53713522
I think the other problem is the general meta with 40k right now as well. Because so much stuff is either poisoned, wounding on a flat roll, or extra high strength to begin with, dropping a unit's toughness by 1 isn't that big of a deal.

>>53713861
Their base cost of 30 points/marine for two bolt pistols, rad grenades, and counter-attack is a record high unless rad grenades are really that valuable. Even heavy support dudes cost less (27 points) but come with a heavy bolter or heavy flamer.

>>53713900
In 40k I could see that, but my experience with 30k is that are still a lot of S4 and S5 weapons (and not all of them wielded by Marksman vets). Volkite chargers or + rad is great, as an example.

>20 plastic MkIII or MKIV Marines from GW is $100
>the same plastic kit plus 20 shoulders, 10 heads, and 5 torsos is $115 from forgeworld

What did GW mean by this?

>>53713957
This is probably just differences in metas to be honest. Nobody here takes big blocks of infantry anymore except the Space Wolves player and, surprise, surprise, they're really bad.

>>53713932
Meanwhile Vets with a power weapon and a special rule cost 22 and terminators with power weapons and combi-bolters cost 30-35.
Podcast people saying "acquire PotL, disregard tacticals" are but spouting the ugly truth. And I doubt anything's going to change considering the success of BaC, both influenced by, and influencing the Legion rulebook.

>>53713146
Uhm, I've got a Termi-blob in a Storm Eagle with chainfists. Does that count?

>>53714019
Yeah, definitely don't see a lot of footsloggers except among new players who are still working on their BaC/BoP box contents. You need metal boxes to keep you safe.

>>53714037
Another factor is that prior to the Age of Darkness red books, Vets, Tacs, and Assault squads were more expensive. They got points reductions while Destroyers did not (and Breachers only got a minor price cut for <15-man squads, and above 15 they went up). FW's excuse was "we didn't have enough data" but that's because no one was taking them due to their cost.

If I could make one change to the game, it'd be to reduce the amount of AP3 blast weapons there are. The real-life role of artillery is not meant to disintegrate armored units, and it's just too powerful and free of compromise in the game.

>>53714037
It's like NL Raptors vs Assmarines. The Assmarines come out ahead by sheer points cost.

Fuck Pride of the Legion and fuck metal boxes. Footslog or bust.

>>53713783
Well, that was Magnus. He does that. Do you have any pics? Titans are always cool. Can you pound them to death with other methods, or do you basically need multiple D shots to kill one feasibly?

Personally I'm thinking that I'll never get one because I find they zoom the scale out a bit much to enjoy anything else without other Titan maniples or shit like Ordinatii, but they're certainly cool set pieces and at some point I'm totally bringing the Genetor Fleet against our local Lucian and his Warhound.

>>53713550

I've never seen Russ without the full complement of a maxed out Spartan, actually. Once with two escorting Land Raiders full of those unique SW termies, they pounded some poor Word Bearers to bits. Perhaps a little overkill, honestly, but even though I dislike the SM boxes' looks it was an impressive show of force.

>>53714118

I would say so, given not everyone likes to rock deathstars or superheavies. I would prefer to stay away from the bigger ones, but somehow my list wound up dumping 900 points into a maxed out Archmagos with Myrmidons in an almost maxed out Macrocarid scouting forward with the doom eggwhisks. I can divide that up into two or three units given how much supporting Treides does anyway, but I still didn't notice half my 4k list was two units before I saw a similar composition with assault centurions in a Raider in 40k.

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>>53714178
Honestly, power armored Marines need points re-evaluations. Most choices simply can't accomplish what they're intended to do, especially when there are better options for just a smidge more.

And really, there needs to be less AP3 Blast in the game. You can't have anything on the table outside of a metal box or Terminator armor without it getting blown to shreds by pie plates. Yeah, blast weapons are meant to be dangerous, but at this point it's just silly. This is why people play drop pods against artillery lists.

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>>53714420

>>53714178
>If I could make one change to the game, it'd be to reduce the amount of AP3 blast weapons there are
This makes a lot of sense
This also guarantees FW won't do it.
>>53714379
A lot of non-termie legion-specific units are based on the old cost of Veterans, some others on the base cost of Assault or Breacher squads.
Thus, those units are now overcosted, and in a world where everything not inside a metal box is food for artillery.

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Autocannon Predators for Iron Warriors - shrapnel heavy bolters or lascannons for the sponsons? What do people recommend, both for Armoured Breakthrough and just regular squadrons?

Pic (semi) related.

>>53714577
I do like the Lucius pattern Warhound over the Mars, even though I prefer the Mars Reaver and Warlord. Sexy, sexy upper armour.

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>>53714880
I prefer Mars Warhound and Reaver, but Lucius Warlord.

I really hope we get to see more variations in the Titan Patterns, more than just 2 in the future of Adeptus Titanicus

>>53714865
I don't play Iron Warriors specifically but I think Autocannon Turret + Lascannon sponsons are generally pretty good, no matter what version you're playing. It lets them punch above their weight against things like Terminators and vehicles.

>>53714865
On the subject of Predators, are fire-preds worth taking outside of Sallies, or are they a niche choice?

>>53714549
>Honestly, power armored Marines need points re-evaluations.
I dunno, Vets and Tacs already got cheaper, and the latter only cost 12.5 points per marine. The other marine squads could be cheaper, but not those two.

But I totally agree with less AP3 blast. It's like they're all tactical nukes at this point.

>>53714865
In armored breakthrough the lascannons make more sense because you're more likely to actually fire them.

>>53715157
I'm just reading the Titanicus book, actually. Fuck, those things are cool.

I wonder if there's a Mechanicum faction that rejects emotional suppression since the mightiest of machines do in fact possess them? Titans feel rage, happiness, sadness at comrade's deaths, wariness at new Princeps, etcetera. Have these Mech argue for emotional mastery and control over elimination, might be interesting to see a group of Malagra who are perfectly normal people to talk to, augments aside, then in combat channel a serious dose of Cold Raeg. They'd be rather disconcerting to experienced social manipulators, since they have perfect control over their reflexes and emotions despite still having them. You could butcher one's order in front of him and if he needed to be polite at that moment he'd be outwardly calm and polite, but if you gave him good enough reasons to kill you he'll be exulting about it all the while.

>listen to Primarchs: Leman Russ
wtf I like the Wolf King now

Stop Wraight, I want to hate the yiffs.

>>53715284
Super-niche choice. You basically have a unit that's extremely vulnerable to being charged having to be right next to the enemy for a few weak hits.

>>53715530
You can like the Wolves and hate what they have become. Liking anime doesn't make you a filthy weeb, being a weeb does. As long as you keep the wolf-ness to a minimum you're no worse than any other Legion

>>53715688
Minus the Ultramarines, Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, Sons of Horus, Dark Angels, Emperor's Children and the Alpha Legion.

>>53714577
its my titanfu, but sadly I'll probably never end up owning one.
>>tfw people wont understand the sadness of playing with people who aren't willing to engage in the hobby besides the bare minimum.
they complain our 2k games take too long, yet want to play with 99% infantry, barely read the rules and don't even own the books / read the fluff.

>>53715688
>As long as you keep the wolf-ness to a minimum you're no worse than any other Legion
No, even without the wolf shit they're still a bunch of drunken retards who love to boast about how deadly they are but have to get repeatedly bailed after they charge headfirst into certain defeat. By far the worst loyalists by any objective measure.

>>53715831
>2k too long
What can you even play with at that level

>>53715780
Minus every legion. Every single one has something memey and obnoxious about them. Trying to pretend otherwise is silly.

>>53715938
a consul, some vets / blobs, a single fun thing (seekers/a dread or tank) maybe some transports / apotecharies, its pretty boring and just ends up being roughly the same shit all the time, its really depressing because I'm very enthusiastic and want to expand and improve upon the hobby, but there's no point in getting stuff like super heavies or more dudes or anything if I wont have anyone to play with.

>>53715780
>Night Lords are fine

W-what?

>>53714420
Well, I don't have a Spartan, just a Phobos and a Proteus.

>>53715938
>>53715990

See I'm the opposite, I like games in the 1850-2000 point range because they force you to make hard choices about what to bring.

>>53714549
>even the dreadnought got a hood
That's cute. Really cute.
>docmarine with a chainaxe
Wut

>>53716162
>>53715947
I meant they were unironically the contenders for best Legion, on opposite sides from the Night Lords, Word Bearers, World Eaters, Space Wolves and other job Legions.

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>>53715990
That's unfortunate. I've been in a similar situation before, where if I wanted to play against fully-painted armies or BFG fleets I had to do the painting myself. I gave up and we just play board games. (They work better for our group anyway, since they're multiplayer.) Fluff's important too, especially for making 30k games fun.

If you keep trying, you might as well use the Eye of Horus podcast's Centurion rules. It's really just a set of restrictions they gave themselves because Australia has a tank-heavy meta (because GW plastics cost about as much as FW resin there... so no one's buying BaC/BoP boxes). Small games, mostly infantry.

But in 2000 points I can run a Chogorian Brotherhood army with a Praetor, 2 squads of 6 outriders, a squadron of 6 jetbikes, a vet squad, a tactical support squad, two javelins, and a small heavy support squad.

Easy enough to run an Orbital Assault or jump pack-based army too. Or terminators using PotL. Sacrificial offering works fine at 2k points. There's no need for armies to be samey.

>>53715990
I dunno man, barebones Centurion + 20 Tacticals runs some 300 points leaving PLENTY of points for literally anything else. If you grab a Primarch you can even skip the Centurion and still have easily 1k+ points left

>>53716216

>30k Dark Angels
>shoulder emblems are 40k

>>53716360
I didn't notice that. The dread caught my attention.

>>53716360
What's the difference?

>>53716471

The difference is 30k DA shoulders look fucking awesome.

>>53716210
Fuck is wrong with you, I bet you play raven guard as well

>>53716471
Sword is broken in one

>>53716748
I play God's Own Sons of Horus.

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>>53704677
I like birb-senpai.

>>53716782
That's a good look on Curze

>>53715284
They may not be competitive but goddamnit I wanted a giant flamethrower on my plastic box.

>>53716900
Would putting a giant flamethrower on a plastic boxnought suffice?

>>53702172
Units you would like to see
Legion
Brief description and name
Gear
Special rules
Cost
>iron warriors
>trench cleaner, reinforced mk4
>combi flamers, trench knife (unwieldy +1 strength), hardened armour which rerolls armour saves against AP6
>first time they charge they count as fearless until the end of next turns combat phase
>squad of 5 is about 270 points

>>53716956
I cannot into Space Kursk with a Dreadnought, anon. All treads, all the time.

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>>53716821
Why, thank you.

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Question. I got some recast Tartaros just for shits and giggles because they were on sale, but I have a question. What the shit are the things I've pointed out here? The red isn't shoulder pads because they're off on the right there, and the yellow is some weird bendy thing. I noticed it in the plastic kit, too.

>>53717025
Curze is all like "Foolish Loyalist!"

>>53716984
>Legion
White Scars
>Brief description and name
Choppy Jetbikers
>Gear
Power Lances, maaaaaaybe 1 in 3 can get a glaive.
>Special rules
Super hit-and-run where they can end their turn into base contact with and enemy and count automatically charging them in the enemy assault phase
>Cost
50 points per model ish?

>>53717025
Get your filthy traitor hands off Corax, he already loves humanity and the imperium.

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>>53717133
>Stupid sexy Corvus.

>>53717053
Look up the GW kit building instructions. They must be on their site IIRC.

>>53716984
My god that is overcosted. Slightly boosted power armour, combi flamer and slighlty boosted CQC weapons, for 54 points a model?

>>53717053
Don't remember from my own kit but I think they might be armour for the front/above of the head

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>>53707651
Not a chemist obvs but I've bought a good amount from chinamen and while the quality varies (ordered some Kakaphoni, turned out being dark grey and impossible to clean mould lines) FW pretty consistently has excellent quality.

Maybe it's just the price tag but I feel the resin is just more durable and easier to shave off flash/lines without gouging it. Resin anything is slower to paint regardless of who made it though in my experience.

>>53708674
I know this feel too well.

>>53717239
No, but they're on imgur.
https://imgur.com/a/cfBdl#CAtPHbY

>>53717053
The pre-BoP resin Tartaros kit had two-layer shoulder pads. Big (right) over small (left). In the plastic kit, the small one is built into the arm.

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>>53717053
Judging from the arms, they look like the inner-shoulder pads, kinda like how Cataphractii are two-tiered too. Dry fit them and see if that is their purpose.

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>We almost had this Fulgrim
A tragedy, really.

>>53717258
I'm an iron warrior I'm used to the pain

>>53711323

It's literally "Historical 40k Wargaming" in what actual or possible alternative world *wouldn't* HH be a nexus of autism?

I mean, I love me some Solar Aux and all, but there's no goddamn way I'm getting out a thing of paint chips to figure out exactly which light grey a Dracosan should be...*

*: I've literally done exactly that.

>>53711323
Forge World originally went after military modelers who were interested in 40k. We're a little nuts - we can tell you which colors the Wehrmacht used on their tanks in which years, which of those paints were factory- or field-applied, and what sets an M4A3E8 apart from other Sherman tanks. When we make model tanks or planes, which usually pick a specific one that there are photos of and match it exactly, serial number and all.

So when FW made a future-historical wargame... hell yeah, you bet we're going to be all over it.

>>53717529
>>53717553

Cool thanks! That's definitely what it is.

>>53717239
>>53717529
Looking at the instructions, I still have no idea what the but the yellow arrow is pointing at.

>>53711323
I guess for me the autism begins with 30k feeling fairly grounded in realism. I'm re-reading Horus Rising and it's not backflipping terminators or Astartes being a one man army Master Chief.

The black books and their retelling of events/elaborating Legion histories only forms a more cohesive identify for each Legion rather than 40k's anything goes, vibe.

>>53717053
Your pic is too low-res to identify the bendy thing.

If I remember right, the heads were on the same casting block as a single shoulder-mounted badge and a grenade harness.

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Someone convince me that Sanguinius won't look like an elderly tranny when his model comes out.

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>>53718515
Anon, even his captain captain of the guard's PICTURE looks like an eldey tranny. Like hell Sanguinius will look beautiful.

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>>53718554
FW needs to ignore that art. PLEASE

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>>53718611
Sanguinius is beauty

>>53718611
He's so cute doing a sneak!

>>53718484

Sorry. Cropping on my. Phone really cuts the resolution something crazy on bigger pics.

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>>53718515
Primarch models are either pig-disgusting or artistic display tier, nothing inbetween. Sang is gonna be a coin flip like all the others.

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>>53718993
Fuck

>>53719055
It's too small to be a helmet cowl. Maybe it's an arm cuff?

>>53719009
>Hey guys, rate my gemsona!

>>53719083
Maybe. I have no idea. It's weird.

>>53713992
You pay the UK price for plastic from FW, which is why you buy the bundles

>>53719055
Uh, that doesn't look like anything at all.

Is there anywhere to get tartaros shoulders, I want to magnetize my dudes, but the Powerfist/Claw arms are a problem because the whole arm swaps.

>>53717053
Those are the underlayer of shoulder pads, the larger ones have an indent that matches up with those dots.
that round thing the yellow arrow points to is the wrist cover for the heavy flamer arm

>>53719489
That's what it is? Shit.

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Be honest: How stupid would it be to put a +1300 point deathstar in a Storm Eagle? I just love the model, and I'm trying to work with what I already have in my collection. I also like the idea of airborn Sallies over the more sensible Spartan because I am a silly, silly man.

>>53719739
If you lurv it then do it.

>>53719739
What could possibly go wrong?

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>>53719813
>>53719857
LIVES

>>53713146
its currently being shipped, but i have an incoming mastodon to hold ya boy Orth and a gorgon+iron father fuck-you squad as well as 2 squads of vets to provide SUPRESSSSING FIIIIIIIIREEEEE
theoretically its going to be awesome
as for consistently amazing units, my librarian is apparently the greatest psyker known to man, and in 9 games, has only died once, when he punched a praetor, saboteur, and finally a land raider to death with Iron Arm+warp speed, and died to the land raider exploding

>put together my plastic tartaros
>think I put the wrong torsos to the wrong legs
>magenetize arms and shoulders
>realize I drilled too high

Fucking christ /hhg/. Its just one of those nights. I might just say fuck it, gut the magnets from the torsos, and just glue the arms on. At least I can still swap the gun, but idk what I'm going to do about the melee arm. I want maces for when I use them in 40k, but I also love lightning claws. Maybe I'll just slowly but a bunch of kits off ebay and eventually end up with more terminators than any NL should ever own.

>>53720992
Glue the arm, magnetize at the elbow? It's plastic though, you can always repair it after taking the magnets back out.

>>53721019
Yea, maybe I'll do that. I'm only working with an x-acto knife in terms of cutting, though. I really need to invest in a hobby saw.

>>53721253
I'd just use the x-acto for that kind of thing. With a saw, you lose whatever the thickness of the sawblade is and it can be noticeable.

>>53721380
You're probably right. I'll see what I can do then. It would definitely save me from having to get tons of shoulders, which are distinctly more difficult for resin ones

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someone posts with fulgrim and curzefag has a autistic fit

Which consul do you guys attach to your terminators: Medicae, Chaplain, or something else?

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Building my Pyrithite Spear Guardian Squad. Gotta clean them up and base them tonight

>>53721811
jealous of your kitbashing skills. maybe I'll do that for my next five custodes, what are the parts you used?

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Custodian Spears, MKIV Marine Combi Weapon ammo boxes, MKIV Marine Melta Guns, and Sanguinary Guard Double Headed Axes.

>>53721844
>>53721892
Woops. Sorry.

>>53714414
Artillery says hello

Why does this general get triggered by knight lists?

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Why do I torture myself like this. 20 more Custodes ready to be tidied up and painted. After these I have 80 painted Custodians.

>>53722575
Not much fun to play against, usually, because you can predict the outcome from what's in the other player's list.

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I like, or rather, fucking love Kataphrons and Onagers.
The first ones are simple enough to make, and the later were "soon rebuilt for war" from Arkhan's M.U.L.E.
Do you think there'll ever be Kataphron heavy servitors and Onager dunecrawlers in 30k? I don't particularly care about Skitarii infantry.

>>53722669
What's Forgeworld doing to fix that in 7.5?

>>53723042
Knight Heads.

Are tonks army viable in hh ? I'm a sallie player tired by the endless spam of infantry that was the 7th edition

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>>53723042
>>53723048
rip

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>>53723042
Probably nothing. Because while FW has mentioned they're going to do 'something' for 7.5, 'something' is likely minimal to no meaningful changes. Which just means more of the same BS as before. Vets, AP3 blasts, and other cheese options, while fluffy and/or thematic options are shat on left and right.

>>53723031
I'd expect them to be included in a Martian Civil War book, yeah.

>>53723042
Nothing, 7.5 is just buying time because they were counting on Alan Bligh writing 8th ed rules before cancer took him away. I'm pessimistically guessing that it won't really have any changes in it.

>>53723136
Absolutely. Armored breakthrough is good, though you do want to sprinkle some infantry in there just to avoid bad paper-scissors-rock matchups and because tanks usually don't benefit from legion rules.

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Played my Custodes against Iron Warriors last night and did decently well. Lost a decent amount of men thanks to phosphex and AP 2 spam, but totally made up for it by running a 450 point Hetaeron squad and Valdor into Perturabo and a his personal Terminators. Butchered his squad in one round and Pert was knocked down to one wound; died next phase.

Despite spacing as best as I can, a Typhon is fucking vicious. It went down after two turns of two Caladius firing into it and an Achillus Dread slapping it to pieces, but even then killed at least 600 points with his good rolling and my horrid saves.

>>53723835
Was hoping to play with the covenant of fire rite, is it any good against regular lists ? (not counting phosphex spam or custodes armies)

Warhammer 40,000, 30,000 and other Wargames discord, roughly 140 members. Git on in here!

https://discord.gg/Zeh7nhC

>>53704888
>He has fucking Manus telling him he's a brutal fuck
When?

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>>53705622
At least Salamanders don't use toxic flame shit like the Death Guard.

>>53724392
This
Everybody says Vulkan is a violent fuck, but they forget that he has to, and he go out of his way to minimise civilian casualties. He's compassionate for humanity as a whole, meaning he won't hurt humanity's future by using things like rad or phosphex weapons.
Besides, flamers and volkite are pretty much as painful as regular boter and since it's space marine sized thats an insta-kill against most targets

>>53721811
I love the big fat muzzle

>>53724436
Exactly. Every weapon Astartes bring to bear against their foes is powerful, but flat out overkill and even psychologically damaging for regular humans. Bolt weapons will blow a human torso wide open if it connects. Chain weapons send gore flying with every swing, and the roar of the blades would fuck with all but the stoutest of men. Volkite weapons are literally martian death rays that will vaporize a man on contact. Plasma weapons against men would just consume anything they hit. Rotor cannons spit out absurd amounts of shots with the intention of mowing down men en masse. A melta, like a plasma weapon, will just vaporize flesh. Hell, a Space Marine's fists would be legally defined as deadly weapons, and they can probably get pretty creative with their hand-to-hand kills if they wanted to. This doesn't even include all of the more exotic weapons that aren't fielded by the masses. And Ferrus has beef with Vulkan's preference of 'flamers'? Thats rich

>>53724757
flamers have the tendency to have quite the spread, hosing anyone in range in flames, that doesn't really fit the "protecting civillians" scheme they got going, sure a bolter or chainsword leaves gore in it's wake, but flamers set the entire town on fire.

Almost every other Energy Weapon can be considered precise next to a flamethrower.

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>>53724392
They're in different circumstances, the DG usually operate in hellholes not fit for human colonization and xenos don't have human rights.
And it's not like that stuff is indiscriminate. They are described as flooding critical tunnels with phosphex but most of the fighting they're using bolter and blade, and even their bare gauntleted hands, instead of going all meme-y with chem and rad.
I wish their melee combat aspect was more emphasized.
By the way, do we know of DG friendships with members of other legions?

>>53725334
DG are friends with the Luna Wolves

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>>53725386
How about with loyal legions? I was thinking of something like this.

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>>53725396
Calas Typhon and Luther were sort of buddies. Dark Angels count as loyalists right?

any cool Custodes tips? best plan for dealing with knights? how about IW artillery gunlines?

>>53719739
The WE player at my store does something similar with Angron and Red Butchers. Scares the hell out of me, I know that, and Vulkan is an order of magnitude more terrifying in melee to Admech.

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Yey, my greenstuff roll maker and factory-texture rolling pin are finally here.
Time to make some tiny cyber-netch occularis if I can dig up some spare infantry bases.

>>53725396
The Iron Hand's intolerance of failure led to a legion wide bromance with the perfectionist Emperor's Children. It was moderately homo.

>>53725334
Yet the dg left world unsuited for human colonisation unlike the salamanders

>>53725624
I do that, but I use a Kharybdis instead of a Storm Eagle for that sweet sweet turn 1 drop.

>>53726492
I already did an IHxEC one
>>53727245
>the dg left world unsuited for human colonisation unlike the salamanders
Hence why they fought in already-poisoned worlds, unlike the Saladmancers.
And even then, you can rad the fuck out of a whole world, but humans are stubborn enough that they will not only survive in there, but prosper and fortify.
Agrellan is a fortified hive world yet the sand is as radioactive as Baal's, and they have *Pollution* radstorms. Krieg yields more regiments than Necromunda, and it was ravaged by 500 years of atomic warfare.
Only Eldar give a fuck about a planet having grass, Anon. And Vulkan did good in burning the shit out of them.

>>53727948
>Hence why they fought in already-poisoned worlds
they didn't fight in poisoned worlds exclusively, they destroyed plenty of perfectly fine worlds.

>>53727948
Agrellan and krieg won't be used as agri-world, wich supplies the imperium and allow more hive-worlds to exist

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I made a little Cyber-Occularis. I'm really bad at greenstuff and photography.

I'm kinda mucking about with random tentacles and bitz until something decent happens, but I like his little claws.

>>53729694
CUTE.

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>>53729694
Armour is a couple of my Kataphron Breacher plates. Next one will be properly glued and assembled, this was just me messing about with ideas.

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>>53725396
Death Guard didn't really get buddy-buddy with anyone besides the Luna Wolves/SoH. As for tolerating one another, the only loyalist Legions that at least tolerated the Death Guard (according to the allies matrix) were the Blood Angels and Iron Hands. Everyone else kept their distance. A lot of primarchs also didn't like Mortarion, either for his style of combat or because he's a stinky peasant.

>>53713146
My Gal Vorbak are consistent rape machines. Biggest, baddest model I have is only a Leviathan and it never fucking does anything that isn't dying.

>>53730125
So long, and thank you for the Heresy, Mr Bligh.

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>>53730125
THANK YOU FOR THE HERESY MR BLIGH

>>53730125
ADB trying to patiently explain to people that HH going to 8th got delayed coz the guy who wrote the rules kind of you know, fucking died, was one of the cringiest things I've seen HH fans do in at least a week.

Oh and thanks, Alan.

>>53730440
When did this happen?

>>53730440
sauce?

>>53725334
>One man can murder a world given sufficient time and the fortitude to wield the blade again and again and again until death's work is done.

Well let's take contemporary Earth for example. A quick Google search reveals that around 360,000 people are born every day and 150,000 people die every day. This means that the population increases by
>210,000 every single day
>8,750 every hour
>145.8 every minute
>2.4 every second

...and that's just to stop the population from growing. I'm going to have to disagree with Mort here. Those sort of kill numbers don't seem sustainable for a man with a sword.

>>53730676
>what are refugees and psychological war

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>>53730125

THANK YOU FOR THE HERESY MR BLIGH

>>53730676
You'd have to account for all the people that won't be being born because their would-be parents got killed, as that shit would snowball, but yeah, it'd take a while

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>>53731056
Kek. Have a Marlon Bundo.

>>53730676
Yeah you can. When you consider that only a certain range band of the population is capable of breeding at any given time, you focus your efforts on them first. It'd take stupidly long amounts of time, but it'd be possible. And I'm pretty sure Morty wasn't being 100% literal there when it came to weapons usage, he just respects the practicality and power of a normal blade.

>>53730676
>>53731084

You just gotta kill all the important people first. World Leaders and the people who understand infrastructure and how to feed a population first.

The rest sorta takes care of itself.

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>>53730676
Mostly this >>53731084
Pic related is also broof that marines don't care about scale, and all you need is hatred :^)

>>53730676
I don't think he literally means to kill everyone with a knife.

>>53731084
>>53731771
That assumes the man is getting anywhere near the 210,000 total every day which is highly unlikely. Also, the breeding age population is the most physically equipped to flee and avoid him.

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>>53732660
If you can't kill 200k people daily with a giant knife, your wits, and the environment around you, don't talk to me.

>Death Guard are trained how to MacGuyver no less than 500 different situations using only their knife and their spit.

>>53713146
My greater deamon of nurgle from my DG.

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>>53713160
Forgot pic, (Wip)

>>53732877
>>Death Guard are trained how to MacGuyver no less than 500 different situations using only their knife and their spit.
Considering their spit is acid it's not that impressive.

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>>53732877
Reminds me of this bit from the old Codex Assassins.

>>53725334
Mortarion meant it metaphorically.

>>53713146
A squadron of Malcadors.

No primarch in sight for my legion so I'm upping my super heavy game.

>>53734324
Let me guess, Ironwing 1st Legion? I always kinda wanted some of those, but damn they're expensive. How do they perform, if they've had an outing yet?

>>53734187
>mining world of Nearly-There

Now I want to know what explorator got to name that place.

>>53734541
Well, there's one in the Ciaphas Cain books called Sodallagain, and I think that does say a little bit about the Explorator who named it. I would presume it's not uncommon if they're comparatively barren balls of rock, which wouldn't be unusual for a mining world.

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New Thunder Hawk from FW. Pretty close to the original, though there've been some changes to relate it closer to the Stormbird and Storm Eagle.

>>53734581
And by that I mean the Explorator is named in one of Amberly's footnotes, not that working out that naming a planet Sodallagain means you're bored is hard.

>>53734484
Yes sir that's what I run. They're pretty banging even with their LoW cost, makes up for my lack of heavy hitting units minus a couple of big dreads.

To be honest they don't really need a space marine crew or any bonus to BS, the ammount of massive pies they throw out kill stuff regardless. I can see someone spending the 15 points for a crew if they spam lascannons on them.

>>53734855
Don't particularly need more lascannon because Krios Venators already got that more than covered, so many many explosives it is. I guess they'd be pretty awesome with Interceptor, too, when the Mark 2 Sneekbots are done.

>>53730125
Thank you for the Heresy, Lord Bligh.

>>53730125
>F

>>53730440

Fuck, ADB's eulogy was hard to read. The bits about his son... I'll admit, I bawled like a ragging bitch at a Lifetime film festival. I've been right where he is, and it's a thing that gets better but you never get over. I'd love to offer him some words of encouragement, if it wasn't for the fact he's buried in 15 tons of sperg correspondence on the daily.

>>53735312
French's was better. Aaron's was a bit raw and a bit too much about how devastated he was and how he was feeling and what it was like for him for a mate to die.
French did it right and talked about how much of a dude Bligh was and how properly eulogised him. You could tell they were bros, but French didn't cry about himself, he wanted to get across how much he thought his friend was great.

Oh and the thing about ADB having to explain to autists with steadily decreasing subtlety and patience that HH not moving to 8th for a while is because the guy who literally writes the rules up and died, and them just not getting that and arguing with him about it, was on bolter and chodesword. I don't especially recommend reading it, it's pretty cringe.

ADB and Goldberg referenced it on twitter afterwards, turns out they have a secret list of people who're cunts to them on msgboards for future ignoring / muting purposes.

>>53730511
>>53730658

Bolter and Chainsword. It's spread about various threads.

>>53735482
>>53735981
I like cringe, give links please.

>>53736016
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334143-will-8th-edition-kill-small-town-horus-heresy/page-3#entry4768807

Main one I found. I think. Just look for the locked Forge World/HH threads and you won't go wrong.

>>53735482
Links? asking for a friend

>>53736241
I especially like the guys who go "I know a man died and that man was the guy in charge of the game, but I'm going to completely disregard that and complain that I'm not getting what I want anyway"
The frustration from A-DB bleeds off the screen.

>>53736378

This only encourages him to write more bullshit about the Imperium. I suspect these analpained autists kind of know this and delight in it.

>>53736378
If the average level of aspergers in the general population is 1%, the level in mini-wargaming is 30%. It's why the fanbase is reacting so repulsively awkward to things like this when normal people know when to stfu

>>53735000
You playing ultramarines? How do you plan on giving them interceptor?

>>53736551

To be fair, ADB was feeding the trolls.

>The man who wrote the rules died so we will need some time to find a suitable replacement who can write the new balanced ruleset that all of you deserve.

Thats it. End of story.

New bread: >>53736665

>>53736742
>bump limit not reached
>page 3
Are... are you trolling?

>>53736752
Look at the first reply.

>>53736561
Mechanicum Cyber-Occularis. They have a 12" bubble of -1 cover saves, grant Interceptor to friendlies within 3", provide LoS for blasts like Nuncio-voxes and if worst comes to worst are T3 1W 3+ armour Stealth models with BS2 TL laspistols and Jet Packs, so they're not completely worthless in a fight for 15ppm. Also single models and are bought as wargear so no Kill Points or Scoring/Denial, so you can use them to block movement, force Tank Shocks and generally be dicks.

Malcadors look like they'd be pretty scary with -1 to enemy cover.

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>>53735482
>turns out they have a secret list of people who're cunts to them on msgboards for future ignoring / muting purposes.

>>53736889
I know I'm on that list.

>>53736916
What for?

>>53736989
Arguing repeatedly with Loulding about the more questionable choices in Master of Mankind and Praetorian of Dorn, and then getting frustrated when I couldn't get a clear answer out of him, only obfuscation.

>>53737022
I used to just think of Goulding as a cocky shitposter, as he's quite nice in person but was always a douche online.
But after following his twitter for a year, I just think he's a an actual twat who knew not to be rude to paying customers at events. Everything he posts is passive-aggressive whinging or complaining about nerds or nerd stuff while acting smug and superior. Classic case of a self-hating nerd getting some authority.

>>53737118
Can't disagree with you there.

>>53737022
So you didn't like certain plot points. What did you want LG to do about it?

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>>53729045
>they destroyed plenty of perfectly fine worlds.
That was in the heresy, when Poison ships were unleashed on pilgrimages of pollution.
Before that, the DG were the designated rad-fighters, the ones that would make planetfall on deathworlds den to nightmarish creatures or mutated erstwhile-humans that, like the targets of the early War Hounds, deserved not the illumination of the Great Crusade, but the darkness of extinction.
In fact, since only they were expected to survive in those hellish conditions, this meant they usually had no mortal allies they could share the battlefield with, setting them further appart from the common mortals the Salamanders were usually deployed alongside with. I'm never making less of any legion, but fighting side by side with the common man on a world with a promising future for humanity was an opportunity the DG didn't have very often, instead being used to unleash the echoes of old night on hellscapes the crusade had given up on.

>>53737335
I wanted an explanation as to why they went that way. Why they'd go against old canon and what reasons lay behind it. Also when Goulding said the Emperor planned the Heresy, I said that was a retarded move that robbed the Heresy of all pathos and tragedy and asked him what the overall meaning of the Heresy was if those two were removed, and he never answered.

>>53735482
>turns out they have a secret list of people who're cunts to them on msgboards for future ignoring / muting purposes.
Explains why ADB-senpai never notices me.

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>>53737777
>Tfw ADB won't notice your quads
Could he write good stuff about the DG, without resorting to making it chaos-themed? Like Mathew Farrer here.

>>53737777
>>53737388
Checked.

Wasn't Goulding just speaking in hypotheticals about the Emperor orchestrating everything? Is it actually supported by anything in the books?

>>53737777

You keep wasting your quads, that's why.

>>53737345

The Primarch makes the Legion. Mortarion wanted it that way. In comparison, Ultramarines used to only do decapitation strikes and then Guilliman said no you're a bunch of pussies now come with me and smash face.

>>53737345
that is not entirely correct, like the War Hounds they were called for special cases that required extreme measures, but like the 12th they also were a semi independent Expedition Fleet for quite a while, and The Death Guard, just like the World Eaters destroyed more than one good world to force compliance, where other Legions did it more cleanly and effectively.

Pretending that the DG only came upon doomed Deathworlds during their crusade, is naive and plain false.

>>53723031
If FW is still buttmad about the AdMech release in 40k chances are they'll not release any rules for that stuff in HH.
Then again, maybe they've managed to calm their tits about volkite and such, so perhaps things are changing.

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VULKAN LIVES

>>53730125
THANK YOU FOR THE HERESY MR BLIGH

>>53730125
Thank you for all the Heresy Mr. Bligh, you will be missed.

>>53706539

>the terra legions fucked up so much the emperor was rekt into having 2 left arms.

>>53706539
thanks

>>53706539
>>53744913
>face a force 4 times bigger
>manage to protect humanity
Fuck all of you no show motherfuckers. Corrax was there too, but The Emperor didn't want him to sacrifice what was left of his legion in a meat grinder so he had him hit and run the traitors to slow their advance.

>>53730125
I don't care about the dice rolls, but
THANK YOU FOR THE HERESY MR. BLIGH!

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>>53730125
THANK YOU FOR THE HERESY MR BLIGH