/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - Everyone's a Snowflake Edition

First for being an autistic doesn't excuse dickery (here's to you, Lion).

>>53678687
I am the only HH player in my lgs, and 8º edition is killing me. I´m gonna have to sit my AL for probably more than a year. This is a sad time, guys.

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STOP BULLYING SPACE WOLVES.

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First for stupid first posts.

Also who here uses attack bikes?

>>53678778
Do they work at all using SM or CSM rules + the FW index? They're marines, after all.

>>53678778
Bring Bligh back from the dead and he'll write you 8th ed. rules. We'll all be grateful, too.

>>53678781
NEVER
>>53678793
For my codex marines I tend to go for Land Speeders or a regular bike squad and while I've considered it for a 30k army between outriders, jetbikes and speeders its a bit of a hurdle for them to overcome the appeal.

>>53678793
I like the idea of them, but especially for me (EC) my Fast Attack slots are pretty much full at all times, and support bikes just don't have the power to merit swapping things out for them.

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>>53678895
>Bringing Bligh back from the dead
If only. But he wasn't killed by a daemon's poisoned blade :I
>>53678777
Checked
>>53678996
What do you usually bring as Fast attack?

>>53678935
I'm considering them because I'm running a Chogorian Brotherhood army so outriders and fast attack jetbikes are troops - I'll have enough fast attack slots and need to fill them up to get heavy support slots. I'll take javelins too, but not with multimeltas because they seem best at long range. The attack bikes will get the multimeltas. They're only 3+ to save, but 2W.

It costs a lot of money to make them look like outrider bikes and give them new crew members, so... might need chinaman's help with these guys.

>>53679036
>What do you usually bring as Fast attack?
Sky Hunter jetbikes are great for anti-infantry shooting. Outriders kitted for assault are okay, but they only really shine if multi-bombing is allowed. Javelins and normal Land Speeders are great because they're stupidly cheap.

I don't know why Tarantulas exist...

>>53679036
Storm Eagle, Lightning Primaris, and a squad of Outriders. I'm also trying to get the bits to make a nice squad of Landspeeders, or find a chinese Javelin or three

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>>53679061
Silly anon you don't "run" Chogorian Brotherhood.
You turboboost them :^)

>>53679061
As far as the army composition goes it looks like a golden opportunity, but model wise you don't need to be as exacting as you seem to be thinking even if you do take steps to make it era-appropriate (i.e. helmet and torso swaps).
>>53679099
>I don't know why Tarantulas exist
For the Iron Warriors and Death Guard to have something to use their FA slots for.

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Jesus Christ did Typhus lay a smacked down on Morty.

And I thought Abaddon hated Horus. This takes the cake. Why does Typhon/Typhus hates his gene-father so much?

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>>53679187
>ut model wise you don't need to be as exacting as you seem to be thinking
I'm trying to get a lot of Mk II in this army. If people aren't picky though, I'll mix in some occasional Mk III plastic because it's cheaper, and keep the Mk IV arms since there's only one source of Mk II biker arms (40k DA Command set) and they might all be holding swords rather than handlebars. I like Kromlech's Mk II-ish biker legs.

I just want 30k to go 8th now.
This whole 7.5 thing has killed HH for me. I've only ever played the one 30k game (though it was against a (cunt with a) full tank army but still...) and have only used my 30k force for fighting all else.
I don't even a good reaction image for saying >tfw my whole army is obsoleted before 8th starts.

>>53679374
>why does a character in a BL book hate his dad so much?
Are you really asking?

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Posting BEST Primarchs.

>>53679479
Primarchs are not for sexual.

>>53679374

Don't talk to me or my grandfather's son ever again.

>>53679507
What the hell is Sanquinius or Fulgrim for then?

>>53679374
Because Morty got to be a Daemon Prince for basically nothing and despite 10k years of devoted service Typhus is still a mortal pleb?

>>53679544

Sacrificing.

>>53679544
One is a fag, the other is for murdering heretics and xenos in all their forms, from phantom titans to non-compliant babies.

>>53679544
1. Killing the entire WE legion single handedly.
2. Saving us from the faggotry that is the Adeptus Restartes for 10k years.

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>>53679507
Objectively False.

>>53679587
Is there a better OTP than Curgrim?
rhetorical question, the answer is obviously no

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>>53679676
R63 MagRuss.

>>53679407
Alan Bligh was planning on moving HH to 8th ed. as quickly as possible. Then he died. (I assume you've heard.)

I don't know when he was diagnosed, but if it was months ago then it would've been a significant disruption to the relatively small 30k team. It might even explain why Inferno was delayed and still a little sloppy. One of the UK-based 30k podcasts got the impression from Tony Cottrell that the 7th ed. rulebook would be close to a direct copy, far from the 7.5 book we're all hoping for - it's a stopgap measure, a desperate act to buy time.

Be patient.

>>53679832
RIP Punished Bligh

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Dantilux is good too.

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>>53679832
>Then he died.

Fucking WHAT?!
*reads ADB's post*
Jesus, I was totally looking to weep over little plastic mans today.
F

>>53679544
>>53679560
>>53679567
>>53679573

>Fulgrim prides himself on being the ultimate duelist
>can't even duel a titan

>>53680015
>WS 8

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So, once we know how big this thing is, I was planning on converting one to use as a LR Proteus. Now, depending on how big it is, does anyone think the turret could make a for a good Predator turret (without all the missiles and an autocannon barrel of course)?

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>>53679374
Because he seems to still not realize the herald of Nurgle is Typhon, not himself. For all chaos-cuckoldry, Calas is right: Mortarion is not a champion, but a trophy.
I like Ku'Gath. He's basically the equivalent of an Archmagos Genetor or Illuminor Szeras, always travelling, looking for the perfect disease.
>Mortarion the Traveler
>Typhus the Traveler
>Ku'Gath the Traveler
I like this "Pilgrim of Ruin" theme

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>>53680104
NEEDS MORE DAKKA

>>53680352
New tau unit?

>>53679930
We're discussing fictional couples not canon ones.

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>>53680373
Thatd' be Numarines plasma weapons, Cawl-pattern :^)

>>53680352
Is it sad I like it? If it's gonna be oversized and ridiculous might as well go all the way

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Any good novels about the Iron Hands that I should read?

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>>53679676
Like when Curze tells Fulgrim his secret and then he gossips it around and tells Dorn of all people, so he confronts Curze with all the subtlety of a wall and gets shanked?
Is that your OTP?
>>53679930
Dantioch&Polux, Kalkator&Magneric. Best OTPs.
Do we know of other IW&IF pairings?

>>53680408
Besides the two little nozzles at the bottom I don't see any resemblance. The Imperium had that slitted muzzle first.

>>53680104
Depends on how strict your GW is.They might not allow you to field a lego kit.

>>53680466
Damnation of Pythos is great for understanding the mindset of the Xth post-Isstvan but it's a filler side plot. The novel adds literally nothing to the grander Horus Heresy story.

If you want to see Ferrus the only place is Fulgrim.

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>>53680481
>Besides the resemblance I don't see any resemblance
Yes, that is a sentence, anon. You know, there's nothing wrong in studying the enemy's work and using it against them. Just don't try and fool me saying you suddenly found a STC of it.

So how out-of-scale are the chads versus the HH boxed sets?

I wouldn't ever really start a 40k Marine army but I'd do a 30k if it wasn't, you know, weedy.

The real problem is that 40k non-chad marines look so damned stupid next to Cadians (let's leave the problematic nature of the Cadian sculpts to the side since they are the primary-existing example of non-augmented humans on the Warhammer field-of-play).

>>53680476
Entire LegionXEntire Legion

>>53680466
Meduson has a scene where an Iron Father actually handles the spiritual guidance side of his job with his captain, which I found pretty cool given that not that many people seem to remember that the role of Iron Father is meant to combine the roles of chaplain and techmarine as opposed to just being a super-techmarine.

>>53680705
Pff of course not. Iron Father means "FnP + Battlesmith + servoarm" upgrade for the Praetor :^)

>>53680622
They're considerably taller and more accurately proportioned to 'real life'. They make normal marines look stupid.

>>53680820

The chads or the MkII/MkIII from the Horus Heresy boxes are considerably taller and more accurately proportioned?

>>53680874
GW HH are exactly the same proportions as normie 40k Marines. FW are ever so slightly taller, and a bit slimmer.

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>>53678781
Spehss yiff are for bully

>>53680874
The Chadmarines.
'Normal' marines ie GW plastics and FW resin look squat and weird when placed next to them. The plastics come off the worst as FW tend to have ever so slightly better proportions. But then still look dumb.

New Plaguemarines are taller than normal marines and quite bulky. They are shorter than Chads and honestly look okay.
I haven't seen the newish TS sets next to the Chads or Plagues yet, but they are slightly taller and better proportioned than normal marines to begin with. They will probably look not so bad.

But your traditional plastics look dumpy and dumb. I don't think mixed forces will look good at all.
Which is after all the point. Better replace all your toys kids, gib monies pls.

>>53680874
MkIII marines are still the best looking models IMO. Theres enough comparison photos out if yuo want to see for yourself.

Whats interesting is how large the latest Rubric marines are. I dont remember their being much fuss about that yet they're quite a bit larger then their old models. Funny how much more people care when its turned into a meme.

>>53680948
>FW tend to have ever so slightly better proportions
FW marines also have completely fucked proportions just in the opposite way. They're all 90 pound twiglets.

The terrible Astartes sculpts are why I went mechanicum despite loving Iron Warriors.

>>53680948
>>53680896

Yeah, that's what I assumed you meant.

But, hope being the first step on the road to despair, I had to ask to make sure.

Looks like it's 5+/4+-saves only for me, then.

>>53681028
People commented on the Rubrics being taller than normal marines, but it was largely accepted as Rubrics tend to have straight leg sculpts, plus their crests. Plus, the sorcerers are all either floating or standing on something that raises them.

In hindsight we can see now that this was some cleverish future-proofing.

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>>53681100
I must have missed it then but yeah
>In hindsight we can see now that this was some cleverish future-proofing.
This.

>>53681179
>Don't talk to me or my Thousand Sons ever again.

>>53681179
>5' 11" vs. 6' 0"

>>53680535

God, I wish someone had told me going in that Pythos has fuck-all to do with the main meta-plot. I did a marathon catch-up run from (IIRC) somewhere around Unremembered Empire to Master of Mankind; I would've loved to put Damnation on the back burner for a later read.

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>>53679982
John French's blog entry is a good read, in addition to ADB's:
http://www.john-french.com/2017/05/alan-bligh-remembered.html

>>53680104
That's a good thought. I think it's hideous, but I get that a lot of people don't like the Soviet-style Deimos dome. Size looks about right - not that I can really tell how the Repulsor is scaled.

>>53680466
There are Iron Hands in the Seventh Serpent - not the main stars, but featuring heavily.

>>53680408
>>53680481
Eldar starcannons have similar ammo thingies. I fully approve of making weapons with similar roles in different armies look similar for gaming purposes - I don't know a damned thing about Tau technology but it's nice to be able to assume that it's a plasma-like weapon.

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>>53680622
>let's leave the problematic nature of the Cadian sculpts to the side since they are the primary-existing example of non-augmented humans on the Warhammer field-of-play
In 30k it's probably the Sisters of Silence models since everyone who bought BoP has a squad. Can't find a pic of a SoS next to a marine, but this kinda shows the scale creep that's happening...

>>53679479
I wish we had a better drawfag to do pictures of them all.

Okay, there's at least one neat thing about the Repulsor in the Dark Millennium novel - you get the sense that its grav technology isn't as clean and elegant as Eldar or M31 Custodes grav tanks. Or Land Speeders. Those skim, or flit, or gently glide on a cloud of gravitons. The Repulsor transfers its weight pretty directly to whatever's below, crushing everything in its path. It's still advanced, but it's a little crude. That makes me feel better - M31 is still resin master race.

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>>53679507
Primarchs are ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY for sexual.

>>53681405
To be fair, the SoS look incredibly proportioned and not squat. I'm happy with some of the fluid design changes we're getting.

>>53681549
>grav technology isn't as clean and elegant as Eldar or M31 Custodes grav tanks. Or Land Speeders. Those skim, or flit, or gently glide on a cloud of gravitons. The Repulsor transfers its weight pretty directly to whatever's below, crushing everything in its path.
Blocky and mean. I like your description a lot, anon.

I've created a new mega library that will be updated regularly

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please post in next thread

>>53681649
It says it's unavailable.

>>53681549
Does it crush anybody?

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>>53681559

Did I guess right?

>>53681664
https://mega.nz/#F!gaBiVTKI!HTOuNx5zzNxHqT-ny-AU3A

what about now

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>>53681709
Mostly, yeah.

>>53681532
How's this?

>>53681735
Works now.

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>>53681308
As long as the Repulsor is actually LR sized I'll be picking one up for conversion work. I'm planning on using a pair of spare Razorback TL-Lascannons for the side sponsons to use the hull as a Proteus (I'm gonna see if I can remove the hull-mounted gun, or put a TL-Heavy Bolter in there). So at the end of the day I'll have the turret as a spare regardless. If it fits, I've got an option for Preds. If it doesn't, I'm sure I can find somewhere else to stick it.

>pic related, probs gonna stick the sponsons where the UM insignia is

>>53681735
If you want it in the next thread, tag it to the damn OP. Bread bakers aren't going to re-sift through the entire thread to find every potential new item.
>>53678687

Hey, question about the plastic Tartaros. Am I supposed to glue the shoulder flap to the body?

Everyone jokes about the NL symbol being batwings, but isn't it actually some scary monster from Nostromo? What was their symbol before Emps found Curze? Like, what did the Terran NL have?

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>>53682065
Are you talking about the pad or the shoulder of the arm? Because I glued the pads to the shoulder of the arm after I glued the arm to the body

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>>53682149
Nope. It's a fucking terran bat. Probably as extinct as the actual wolves.

Does anyone have a list/namegen for Custodes? What culture do they take names from?

x-posting this in the 40kgen thread.

>>53681833
Chubby/10

>>53682242
When you get to 150+ names, you end up taking stuff from everywhere. It's like those new pokemons.

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>>53682243
>he doesn't appreciate THICCmarchs

So, since apparently marines can be upgraded to primaris marines AND a ton of the first batch of them are Heresy vets...... Who is GW gonna bring back into 40k?

I have a few ideas.

Maximum trolling by GW tier: Loken, Tarvitz, SIgismund (somehow escapes Abaddon and makes it to Terra, maybe as one of their dreads with a fuckhuge sword). Sharrowkyn(who of course now has a vendetta against Lucius)

Wouldn't bother me tier: guys like Raldoron or Corswain.

Who else?

>>53681679
Yeah, an Iron Warrior that tries to slip underneath to plant a meltabomb. Gets squished.

>>53682338
There's a difference between thicc and fat. And they are very much on the fat side.

>>53682344

>Terra

Whoops. Meant Mars.

>>53682344
>marines can be upgraded to primaris marines
Where does it say that?

>>53682397
Apparently some of the designers said it during a Q&A livestream but I've never seen any confirmation.

>>53682344
>So, since apparently marines can be upgraded to primaris marines AND a ton of the first batch of them are Heresy vets......
what the fuck are you talking about? What Heresy vets? I thought there weren't any left that haven't been DREADED.

>>53682174

My arms are magnetized, but the pads are also just weird. They look like the could just get glued to the body. If they actually get glued on the shoulder joint, then I'm going to need a lot more shoulders.

>>53682367
Really? Only ones I intended to draw as not-thicc-fat were Pert and Lorgar, and I think I meant for Lorgar to be more of a shortstack?

>>53682451
>>53682427
>>53682397

I thought all this was confirmed in the Dark Imperium novel

>>53682344
>So, since apparently marines can be upgraded to primaris marines AND a ton of the first batch of them are Heresy vets...... Who is GW gonna bring back into 40k
In the novel, the first batch aren't really Heresy vets. Cawl was experimenting with geneseed during the Heresy or at least within 100 years of it, so the first primaris marines were children back then. They fell into his hands somehow, and for unstated reasons he put them in stasis for 10,000 years until he finally perfected the process. Guilliman keeps one around because he remembers the Imperium as it was in M31 (from his life before turning 13 and getting inducted/abducted). Okay, also because Guilliman thinks he'll make a good Ultramarine soldier/statesman.

>>53682475
There's plenty of chub on a lot of them. They remind me of the feminists on campus.

>>53682480
I haven't read it but I've been in spoiler threads and they never mention Heresy-era marines. How would that even make sense?

I finally got a flight stand for my recast Dreadclaw. Is it possible to not glue the connector nub to the claw, or will it end up being too loose to hold it?

>>53682511
>>53682517

Ah, I stand corrected. Too bad though, the utter rage from bringing Loken into 40k as a Primaris marine would have been amazing.

>>53682557
>bringing Loken into 40k
WHY CAN'T THAT FUCKER JUST DIE?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvTb1B253fQ

>>53682576
Because they need him around to say
>I was there the day that Horus killed the Emperor
at the finale.

>>53682517
>>53682557
Even more WTF is that fact that Cawl explicitly stated that he had successfully created Primaris Marines from the two missing legions.

>>53682916
Based Cawl not giving a fuck.

>>53682916
That's fucking dumb.

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>>53682916
WHAT.

WHAT THE FUCK

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT GW

JUST

WHY

>>53682557
>>53682576
Didn't Abnett say a while ago that Loken will die on the Vengeful Spirit during the battle of Terra? Recall a 2010 or so interview about this

>>53682916
Cawl is a heretek,
do not believe his lies.jpg

>>53682916
Was it that he had, or that he could?

>>53683073
He implanted EVERY legion, all the traitors as well as the two missing ones. So far it was implied that it was only a test batch.

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>>53683115
>nightlord primaris
>thousand sons primaris
>word bearer primaris
Not gonna lie, im tempted to read gathering storm and this so as to understand what the fuck is going on in 40k proper despite not paying attention for like three years

>>53683013
>>53683030
Different anon here. To be clear, he didn't say that they were the basis of the project, but rather that he could make primaris marines using any of the 20 legions' geneseed. He doesn't want to be limited to the 9 loyalist ones, but Guilliman won't let him try the others.

>>53683229
>but Guilliman won't let him try the others
It's implied that Cawl had already disobeyed that command or is planning to. Roboute is contemplating how he might have to remove him in the future.

>>53683284
That could redeem the whole story arc.

>>53682916
He tested it asshole. Guilliman forbid him from actually going forward with them.

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>>53680627
>Entire LegionXEntire Legion
>There were about 90k+ IFs and 180k IWs
>Each IF can be shipped with up to two IWs
I like those numbers :^)

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Soon

>>53678333
>I do wonder how the White Scars are called in Chogorian
Brotherhood of the Storm actually explains it all quite well, without making it silly, or anything.

"White Scars" is a reference to their facial scars, which they rub a herbal paste into, causing the scar to appear white. They usually refer to themselves by that name, and the only real flowery title they have is "the urdu of Jaghatai" (ie: His horde/army), which is rarely used.

Their Chapter symbol, the lightning strike on gold, is also the hereditary symbol of the Khans of Chogoris. It holds a double significance as the Talskar tribe, the tribe of Jaghatai, would ritually scar their faces with a lightning bolt shaped scar under one eye when they came to manhood, marking them as one of the tribe.

>>53684381
>The White Scars who have white scars
I see Jaghatai appreciated the Ferrus style of naming things.

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>>53684496
>I see Jaghatai appreciated the Ferrus style of naming things.
You got it wrong anon: his is actually the result of a lack of care about those things.
Remember he didn't pick the name "Ferrus Manus" for himself: Medusans did after first looking at him; before meeting them he had wandered about in the north pole, bereft of people, living of the land and grappling monsters.
He did not have a use for a name.
Then he meets his legion and the Stormwalkers decide to honour the reunion by taking on their name. The Iron Hands. Some even changed their own names to celebrate their reunion with their newfound homeworld, like Shadrak Meduson, previously named Shadrak Smyth.
Ferrus probably saw all that and went:
>Eh, if that's what you want. I've got better things to do, like terminator armour, than to worry about names.
The only epithet he did care about, the only name that mattered, was the one given to him by his beloved brother. The one that represented the closeness enjoyed by few others. The one that did get to know him...and whose betrayal hurt the most.
If Ferrus called himself anything, he was
The Gorgon.

>>53684496
Most of them are

>Dark Angels
>Angels of Death (nickname for space marines)
that at least originally in dark armor

>Emperor's Children
>Children genetically infused with loose descendants of the emperor's own genes

>Space Wolves
>Wolf-people in space

>White Scars
>see above

>Iron Warriors
>Warriors in Iron

>Night Lords
>Lords in the night

>Imperial Fists
>Okay you got me

>Blood Angels
>Angels of Death (nickname for Space Marines) who got a blood fetish

>Iron Hands
>see above

>World Eaters
>Eaters of worlds

>Ultramarines
>The best marines

>Death Guard
>Guards of the death lord

>Thousand Sons
>There were (at least originally) 1,000 of them

>Sons of Horus
>are sons of horus

>Word Bearers
>Bear words

>Raven Guard
>Guards of the Raven

>Alpha Legion
>Are clearly the real first legion

>>53685054
>that pic
I wish we had Primarchs who were actually honest friends during the Heresy. The loyalists can barely tolerate each other and the traitors are too busy backstabbing.

>>53685148
Yeah all the Legion names mean something but some are more on the nose than others.

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>>53685200
I wish there was more of Mortarion and Curze, or Perturabo and Magnus. The later don't even interact with each other during the Heresy, and the first guys I can't even believe they were friends.
As in, not only can't I believe Curze would call anyone a friend, but I also doubt Mortarion would have friends either. His friendship with Horus? That's because Horus has all the charisma in that relationship.

>>53685294
Horus played nice with everyone, but it eventually turned out he didn't like any of them in particular either.

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>>53685054
>MFW I finally realise that Ferrus was Enkidu and Fulgrims is Gilgamesh
How didn't I realised before? Gilgamesh is now a forever young serpent for fucks sake.

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>>53685401
I thought Enkidu was killed by AIDS after being with that hooker, so GIlgamesh looked for the secret of eternal life.
I mean sure, they were best friends, and that's actually a major plot point, but that's where the similarities end.

>>53685054
Holy shit I can't believe to be made to feel for ol iron hand of all people. All this time I've only joked about him and his viking haircut

>>53685381
In a cruel twist of fate it turned out Sanguinius was the only one he really ever cared about

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>>53685645
>Holy shit I can't believe to be made to feel for ol iron hand of all people.
That was my intention. Of course people have their opinion about primarchs, they have their favourites, detest others and, perhaps worst of all, ignore some. I am of the belief every primarch, both with their virtues but much more with their defects, is valuable as a concept.
I guess I got to feel for Mortarion because no one else seemed to feel for him.
Sometimes I forget the Heresy is a tragedy first, sci fi with cool minis later.

Who would win in a Marty Sue showdown /hhg/?

Garviel "I survived orbital bombardment" Loken?
Nykona "*teleports behind you*" Sharrowkyn?
or Aeonid "Yeah, it was only a matter of time before we'd be killing other spess mehreens" Thiel?

>>53685805
Heh, trick question: none of them can be killed.

>>53685805
Wasn't Aeonid dead by Imperium Secundus?

Some Alpha Legion wore his armor

>>53686306
>Wasn't Aeonid dead by Imperium Secundus?
No, the new Age of Guilliman novel confirmed he survived.

>>53683188
I've lived in 30k for so long I'm afraid to venture back into the far future :c

>>53684381
I though their sigil was supposed to represent a mountain plateau?

>>53685148
Alpha is meant to be supreme B)

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>>53686320
>the new Age of Guilliman novel

>>53685735
>I am of the belief every primarch, both with their virtues but much more with their defects, is valuable as a concept.


Agreed, despite all the shit talking there's something cool and interesting about each Primarch. Even Guilliman.

>>53686647
I began to like Bob after reading the new Imperium Thirdus novel.

> Like father, like son

>>53685148
Kinda cheating by ignoring Luna Wolves, which was the actual name before they named them after a dude. That was a good name.

>>53686703
>maybe big E really is a god. Maybe he's become one. Maybe he always was one.
Cant wait for interactions between him and morty

>>53686729
TyXXXX: You suck and I'm not gonna help you wipe your own ass

CalXXX: There's no way my dad is like that

Why do they have sons issue

>>53686784
what interaction did callyboy have with Robby?

>>53686806
He's disappointed about Bob using their sacred relic - Bob's 10,000 years old chair - so casually, and Bob being different from what he imagined him to be.

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>>53682174
>those proportions

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>>53686703
>> Like father, like son
>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.
>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes".
>He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now).
The gestation capsule doesn't fall too far away from the Throne

>>53686838
How did you draw that, Paint crayon tool? Don't misunderstand me, I'm genuinely interested.

>>53686878
If that's true my opinion on nü-40k went up a tad

>>53686878
>not Punished Bob

>>53686825
Manny is just mad he doesn't get to sit on it himself anymore.

Calgar's being 'offended' by Bob using the chair.

>>53686895
Photoshop.

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>‘Please, sir. They’ll kill us all,’ he said. His voice cracked.
>‘Yes. I expect they will.’ Oquin smiled sadly. ‘A harsh reaction when refusal is given, but far from abnormal in a compliance action. That’s what this is. A compliance for the Warmaster’s new Imperium.’ Oquin deliberately turned his back on Spall. ‘But as I learned when I took part in the slaughter of the Bathranin, Spall, some things are worth more than life. Perhaps worth more than the life of an entire world. ‘Now, I am going to walk out of that door and give them my answer. Feel free to shoot me in the back. I am confident you won’t. Not if you remember even dimly what we were fighting for.’ Oquin strode down the gallery, his bearing proud. Spall made a strangled noise in his throat. He kept his gun trained on the governor the whole way. The weapon wavered, his aim blurred by tears. He couldn’t do it.

>Mayder Oquin disappeared through the doors. Spall was still staring dumbly at his weapon when the din of boltgun fire echoed up the palace halls.

>Sixty-Three Fourteen had replied.

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>>53682916
SAY MY NAME

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>>53686923
Really, people give too much chaff at the Emperor being like He is. But it's simply that He's not a god, as He has always claimed. He's powerful and knowledgeable, both to an unparalelled degree...but he's not all-knowing nor all-powerful, and he still has human limitations.
His actions were forced by his environment like all living beings are, and he had to take decisions he didn't want to take, but that felt necessary at the time.
Considering his end-game was to become innecessary, it can be assumed he probably never wanted to be a father, but realized he still needed those terrible children. The ones who could save humanity...but also destroy it.
>Emperor...you will destroy the horrors of Old Night...and you will create a new Age of Darkness in it's place...
>...your children, the Primarch Project...
>Emperor, your son will let the galaxy burn...your son...will save the galaxy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXkgn3QUA2w

>>53681028
>I dont remember their being much fuss about that
because we'd already been through it with the deathwatch release four months prior

Straighter legs, bit of extra height in the waist joint, slightly larger torso.. not hugely different from the normal marines, but noticeable.

>>53686838
I actually noticed that while I was assembling and thought that I set the magnets too high. Nope. Turns out Tartaros users don't actually have necks.

In generalist list, how many transports will I need? It's for my shopping plan.

More detail the better... like, how many of which one kind of thing. Oh, and the list will be vets-as-troop, at least for now.

Which book is it from that Lion hiding the Wulfen's existence?

>>53688481
Really how are we supposed to know?

Ideally things need transports but if you want to play a certain way or have other options then transports might not be required.

Make a list and decide if the job of that units means that they need a transport and what type.

>>53687146
underrated posting of a story excerpt.

>>53680104
The doors look like LR ones, so I would say it is somewhat larger than a regular Land Raider.
I will use three for my Custodes, albeit with Razorback turrets replacing the regular one. The Coronus, as nice as it may be, is not enough of a flying shoebox for my tastes, so this bastard is perfect for my tastes. It gives me a reason to transition my custodes from purely infantry/walker to a more mechanized force.
Shame it won't be able to use it's side doors, but you can't have everything, I suppose.

>>53688828
I didn't understand what it was about, nor who Oquin or Spall are, nor where 60-3-14 is.

>>53685805
I understand the rest but what did Thiel do to earn Mary Sue status?

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What can I expect from this

>>53689455
Colo-rectal cancer

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>>53689435
Back when supersticion was banned and there was brotherhood among the legions, he was the guy who would recognize daemons on sight and would write thesis on hot Astartes x Astartes action. He usually had the correct answer to the situation, where even Gage didn't.
Some say he's a Sue. I don't, but I say he's the crazy conspiration guy at the very least. That is funny to me, so I like him. Much more than Garviel "Rasputin" Loken.

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>>53689455
>What can I expect from this
It's not what you can expect from it. It's what the Emperor can expect from you.
It's a castle defense/siege game some people play when shitting. Because they shit for like a full hour

>>53683346
10/10 would fap again

>>53689475

Neat !

>>53689577
Don't forget that Thiel is also the reason Ultramarine sergeants have red helmets, and that he eventually had a chapter formed out of the Red Marked solely to fight Alpha Legionnaires and Word Bearers.

>>53689592
Tarvitz, may he forever be remembered
Still hoping he escaped through an underground port or whateer

>>53689645
>Still hoping he escaped through an underground port
No fuck off. We don't always have to see a death for it to be true. This shouldn't be a goddamn Disney movie.
It's a war. People die.

>>53689641
I thought they had red helmets because that used to be a symbol of punishment/disgrace/censure borrowed from the Night Lords (hands of sinner's red) and altered (helmets of retard's red)?

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>>53689723
>It's a war. People die.
Unless you're this fucker.

>>53689726
It's an outgrowth of that. Other commanders in Ultramar were still using the red as censure marks, but the local commanders kept getting killed because they assumed Ultramarines warplate = friendly, and Thiel's group decided to make it their own because they needed an instant recognition thing.

>>53689735
You know it's just slaanesh playing with Nurgle (as a death guard he should have fallen to nurgle) and the emperor (as he seemed so loyal but also fell), he will become spawn at the siege I guarantee it

>>53689742
>tfw reading know no fear
>so many ultra marines did the remaining ones are covered in their brothers blood
>approaching word bearers mistake this for actual word bearers
>the heavy rain washes the blood off and they're shot, the blood mixing in with the mud of the landslide
>there are thousands of ultramarinea buried on calth with the faces of surprise

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>>53689735
I agree with Fergus Reid; people die in war, fuck plot armour for the largest recorded war in the Imperium's history. Both sides would throw their best at each other in a suicide grinder just to gain an advantage.

Tarvitz died a man's man, in a glorious last stand on the ash choked wastes of Istvaan 3. Fuck Im a LW/SoH anon and I think Loken should have died on that rock like a baus

Such is the colossal scale and cost of war; the actual tally of what it consumes

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Why is that Titan so pure, how could you kill so many innocent brothers yet be as pure the day you were sworn into the Emperor's service

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>>53689879
Going WE because there aren't any IWs and WEs are our natural allies

>>53685805
Cawl would beat them all, no question.

>>53689897
Show what other Legions look like?

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>>53689946
This is when you remain loyal to the Emperor.

>>53689766
>Loken
>DG

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>>53678781
Never!

>>53690002
That is a LOT more coherent than I expected Angron to be.

>>53689946
DG get +5% health
SoH get +10% energy
EC get +5% speed
although I did skim through so might mis remember
>>53690011
>uses Garro artwork
>wasn't talking about Gardo

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>>53690045

>>53690036
This was Angronius speaking not Angron
screencap this post for when ADB reveals Angron has split personality syndrome and is metaphorically sharded unlike Magnus

>>53690036
It's a translation from REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53690045
Looks man, looks. Show us the pictures, their equivalents of >>53689897

>>53690055
>Angronius, loyalist shard of angron returns to the imperium as head of the greyshield primarines

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>>53690052
Sorry I thought you were talking about how Garro is a Mary Sue and will never die
>>53690069
I didn't screenshot them, you can't change your legion once you picked as well, look up on the wiki if you wish

>>53690055
Don't forget that Abaddon will calm daemon prince Angron down to reason, even more so than Kharn, and then make him his bitch.

>>53690097
I'm still pissed they went for grayshield
If you're going to call them that at least have them as marines directly under Cawl's command not Guilliman's to set up that civil war

>>53690125
They were disbanded into chapters.

>>53690109

>implying he won't """"tame"""" Angron by getting the Red Angel to insert his knotted noose of judgement
Who was it that came up with 'pear of torment' again and why

>>53690135
I know they were, and some even went back to their former chapters, but I said I'M pissed they didn't do it in a certain way

>>53690125
>I'm still pissed they went for grayshield
The term "Blackshield" was already used, what did you want them to be named?

>>53690140
>Take the knot, Angron!

>>53690171
Something unique but not COPYRIGHT TM like deathrattle and oigors, I know its reactionary but it just feels wrong

>>53681709
First is Dorn.
Angron is Russ (barbarians can't into underwear)
Perturabo is Angron (butchers nails and scars from slavery)
Gulliman is Perturabo (bald with yellow and black striped shorts)
Last is Gulliman.

>>53690125
>that at least have them as marines directly under Cawl's command
>implying they haven't been genetically psycho-conditioned to that effect
>implying Cawl won't activate Order 66 and have the Primaris slaughter their manlet brothers to seize control

>>53690280
>Cawl was actually Malal all along

Loken surviving throughout whole heresy was sealed literally by the first line of the whole bloody series.

>>53690799
Wasn't that just the false emperor that killed Sejanus tho

Did Ferrus Manus solve the riddle of steel?

>>53690911
I hope he didn't lose his head over it.

>>53690799
In the HH books the one who says she was there when the funeral bell toll for the Emperor is actually Amendera Kerell, ex-SoS, now Inquisitor, while Morturg narrates the actual battles, as it's taken from his testimony.

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Will FW ever dare to make an Imperator Titan?

I am really excited for the FW Emperor titan variation kits for Adeptus Titanicus.

>>53691435
I am certain they will and there will be more than two people to purchase it and pay for painting.

>>53683346
FILTH!

>>53691435
>Imperator Titan
>three foot tall
>so expensive it's literally cheaper to hire a midget and have him stand on the table as "counts as"
Give me ten of them!

>>53691816
No shit? They're siege Legions.

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let's be honest, for all the skub the Ruinstorm added, this team was actually quite enjoyable.

>>53692729
Why does Sanguinius always have old man syndrome in Secundus art? Did he really age that much dealing with the Lion's and Guilliman's duplicative asses?

>>53686497
>I though their sigil was supposed to represent a mountain plateau?
It might be that too/instead, but I'm getting the "symbol of the khans" part from the vision quest that Targutai Yesegui goes on before he meets Jaghatai.

>>53685645
>>53685735
>liking all the Primarchs for different reasons, despite their flaws
+1
Except Lorgar, he can fuck himself with giant spiky mace.

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What is your biggest blunder on the tabletop?

>>53690964
>In the HH books the one who says she was there when the funeral bell toll for the Emperor is actually Amendera Kerell
Is there any more on her, in the novels or elsewhere? I wouldn't mind having some background on our narrator. Especially since I like the way those bits are written.

>tfw one of those people who downloads and reads all the FW books, ignoring the mechanics completely
Except for my Talons.

>>53692864
I've deleted most of a CSM blob squad a few times with a squadron of Leman Russes, and everytime I use a superexpensive beatstick character they job it to random dudes

>>53692925
>I've deleted most of a CSM blob squad a few times with a squadron of Leman Russes,
That doesn't too bad.
>and everytime I use a superexpensive beatstick character they job it to random dudes
The dice gods hate you.

>>53692729
Are Jag and Lion the only Primarchs to be canonically depicted with facial hair? (Lion on the new book cover)

>>53692966
Not ever Sergeants, anon. Not even Sergeants. Just a handful of rank-and-file peons ripping Kharn and CM with the Burning Blade and so on apart. It's why I keep characters cheap, now, or at least death star them up.

>>53693032
You're not a very good heretic are you?

>>53690171
whiteshield is also used :^) for cadian conscripts.

>>53689455
It barely qualifies as a game.

>>53693041
How dare you! I follow the proud traditions of the World Eaters, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers and the Black Legion!

>>53693105
Does any of them involve losing?

>>53692874
kendell is in the short story about the silent sisterhood where the cute novice hitting on garro dies

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I could read half a dozen novels with Angron and Lorgar working and not working together.

>>53693116
All of them, duh.

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>>53693149
Good to know.

>>53693161
No kidding. Power creep is real hombre; just last night I tried to take on one of the new Primaris forces with some friends and a melta bomb. I got crushed into the sand for my trouble.

>>53693207
How long did you last?

>>53692761
I think you mean duplicitous anon.

>>53693243
Fuck phone posting.

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Does anyone remember what weapons Knights Errant Sevarian used? I don't remember and want to do a conversion. Time to read Vengeful Spirit again I guess...

>>53686838
>despicable me 30k

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>>53693146
>tfw argel tal died and will never come back nor his daemon

>>53693657
Good. Everytime a Word Bearer dies the galaxy gets better.

>>53693486
>implying we didn't already know the night lords are a jobber legion

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>>53693675

>>53693675
He was too pure for this world

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>>53693715
>Word Bear
>pure

>>53693715
Gal Vorbak are the exact opposite of pure.

>>53693744
Or are they the purest of all?

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>>53693808

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>>53693808
YES

>>53691949
I want them to first release an Imperator Titan gaming board, Winter Assault style.

>>53693744
They are blessed with the true incarnation of the primordial truth, how can they not be pure

>>53691816
Until the bitter end ;^)

>>53693982
>Chaos
>Truth

Pick one

>>53693087
unskilled faggot detected

>>53694088
The 'game' consists of clicking, being told you're allowed to click again in 1-24 hours, and repeat ad nauseum. Every once in a while you get to play a pvp minigame with less tactical depth than Duck Hunt. Whee.

>>53692729
You forgot Curze, he was the match to light the barrel of dynamite.

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>>53693988

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>>53694720
Post other primarch cum faces

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>>53694778

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>>53694720
It's low quality like his sons

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Am I the only one who thinks Bligh did one hell of a job with 30k Wolves?
>undergo regular mind-purges due to the nature of the enemies they fight and replace their true memories, even personalities with wolf-memes
>eventually (post-heresy) the memes take over the spirit of the chapter
>yiff wolfy wolf
The 30k background was the missing piece of the puzzle.

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>>53694778

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>>53694720

When they kill Loken and why he even survived Istvaan?

>>53685805
Where is Garro?

>>53695246
>>53682785

so how are the 30k cult going to defend FW when they retcon the final battle and Sanguinius doesn't die?
Or, when GW retcon it for 40k and therfore its now official canon ?

>>53695412
(You)
They're going to retcon the fight but Sanguinius will still die. They're just going to have Horus legitimately winning the duel before Ollanius shanks him with his athame.

>>53695501
i think you missed the memo, sanguinius is coming back in 40k

>>53695412
The retcon won't be that drastic. They'll just get rid of the Emperor holding back because he still loved Horus until a terminator/custodes/soldier got himself disintegrated. That never made much sense.

Or... Sanguinius accepts Horus's offer to switch sides and the Emperor kills him. Or the change doesn't involve Sanguinius at all - he dies as usual, then Horus mortally wounds the Emperor, and Oll Pearson kills Horus with the athame.

>>53695514
Even if that completely unsupported assertion were true he could still be dead. The Eldar deathlady healed Guilliman and un-Rubriced some Thousand Sons so she can probably stuff Sang's soul back in.

Horus will die, the emperor will get shanked

>>53695412
>implying Cawl hasn't mixed Mephiston, Dante and Corbulo's blood together to summon Sanguinius's spirit and then he sacrifices his knowledge to Tzeentch to bring back the Angel in the moment of the Ending
https://youtu.be/iiDqtDUxahc

>>53695246
He died on the vengeful spirit when they launched a SUPRISE ATTACK on Horus
>>53695501
Anathme
no wonder he took it in Know no fear

>>53695765
I hope he get rekt like a little bitch.

>>53695854
He was vented into space but got better.

>>53694915
I just wish their rules and units were better. Having to load up on generic HQs to build larger armies sucks.

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>>53695501
>They're just going to have Horus legitimately winning the duel before Ollanius shanks him with his athame.
why did they let this series stray so far from the light

How does the Volkite Carronade perform on the tabletop? Seems scary on paper, but I have a feeling it won't hit much when you fire straight through the enemy line, and a Glaive's not THAT fast. It's like the Ordinatus Ulator, but less all-consuming.

>>53696541
it depends on your meta, it'll make blobs and infantry based armies cry (like WE) but its not that great against vehicles for a super heavy. its excellent when you can flank it with Ironhands or whatever, properly supported and firing down the length of the enemy line it will violate any front. firing into a line from head on wont let it make its points back unless someone is walking up terminators.

I use it because the glaive is fucking cool.

>>53686306
I mean, the folks that the Alpha Legion impersonate don't necessarily need to kill the dude they're impersonating, especially during the chaos of the heresy

but otherwise, I guess my boy Meduson is dead too :'(

>>53698540
Has literally anyone ever been surprised by The Seventh Serpent's tweest?

>>53698540
>but otherwise, I guess my boy Meduson is dead too :'(
He isn't known to have been a 2nd founding chapter master or anything? But I wouldn't assume anything until there's a body.

>>53696541
It's great against Rhinos (likely to penetrate, so it gets to do a bunch of decent hits against the infantry inside). Against heavier transports its strength might not be high enough, but it does get haywire. A large part of using it right is just forcing things to disperse.

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>>53698740
>First appearance by "Meduson" is him wielding that fucking Alpharius ghost spear shit

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>>53689645
>‘Did we hurt them, captain? asked Solathen. >‘Did this mean anything?’
>Tarvitz thought for a moment before replying.
>'Yes,’ he said, ‘we hurt them here. They’ll remember this.

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>>53698784
>He isn't known to have been a 2nd founding chapter master or anything? But I wouldn't assume anything until there's a body.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Barrabas Dantioch the Big Guy? I thought not. It’s not a story the Ultramarines would tell you. It’s an Imperius Secundus legend. Barrabas Dantioch was a Warsmith of the Fourth, so bitterfull and so wise he could use the iron to influence the battlefield to create killing fields… He had such a knowledge of the siegecraft that he could even keep the keeps he cared about from falling. The IVth side of the geneseed is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be AUTISM. He became so embittered… the only thing he was afraid of was getting shipped with an IF husbando, which eventually, of course, he was. Unfortunately, he realized overloading the Pharos was the only choice, then its explosion killed him in his keep. IWronic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

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>>53698963
Make them bleed for every inch, brother.

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>>53699369
>Make them bleed for every inch, brother.
You got it

>>53683284
>Guilliman changes his mind and decides to go with it, since everything is so fucked that nothing makes sense anymore.

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>>53699369
loyalist scum

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>>53699656
traitorous filth

>>53699656
>004.M31
>not being loyalist
ISHYGDDT

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>>53699681
>>53699706
how was istavan?

>>53699681
>traitor woof
How fluffy do you want to be

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>>53699946
I now barely remember the time when the WS, the legion that was on Terra, were the bad guys. Slaaneshi IIRC. Eisenstein, I think?

>>53700029
You're thinking of the Dornian Heresy, a fan creation that switches all the legions' alignments.

>>53699946
All Legions had traitors just as all Legions had Loyalists (WB ones just got purged before the Heresy but, conceivably, some loyalists might have been stranded in a remote place for 40+ years and survived the purge).

Can people stop being triggered over traitorous Loyalists now?

>>53700112
>All Legions had traitors
Show me any examples of traitor Ultramarines. you can't because they don't exist

>>53700237
imperium secundus

>>53700286
Well memed :^)

>>53699738
Lucius is honestly such a loser. In every bit of fiction I read with him in it I always find myself cringing at fucking pathetic he is. The fact that he still lives is hilarious.

So I really want a superheavy for my Imperial Fists that isn't a Typhon; what would you guys recommend?

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>>53700237
Formerly the Sons of Guilliman, Adheron's Reavers participated in the Siege of Vraks.
But there will be no traitors-from-loyalist-legions in 30k.

>>53700528
>But there will be no traitors-from-loyalist-legions in 30k.
There are reports of traitor Raven Guard, Space Wolves, Iron Hands, and others in the black books. Just no Ultramarines because we're too good for that.

>>53700457
Warhound Titan.

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>>53700457
But what do you want from a superheavy anyway?

>>53700744
Death, the intimidation factor, and fun weapons.

>>53700420
esp as his whole shctick is being killed repeatedly in duels. And that guy was a legion champion?

>>53700457
The Falchion is arguably the best - situational, but in games big enough to warrant it, you're likely to face something it's good against.

Three Malcadors are great in game terms...

>>53700528
>>53700237
>>53700112
so if there are traitor marines from loyalist legions
does that mean there are loyalist marines from traitor chapters? like loyalist emperors children or loyalist world eaters?

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>>53700852
I really love this old theory I read a few years back; basically the more Lucius gave into Slaanesh the worse of a duelist he became. He became so arrogant that his skills diminished and he became grossly complacent with how good he already was. In an act of humor that amuses Slaanesh to no end, he's constantly brought back as a pleasant joke that will occasionally get things done. Lucius may think he's perfect, but to a god he's nothing more than a bug who's arrogance is absolutely hysterical.

>>53700972
Of course. How fucking new are you?

>>53701006
very.
can i see them?

>>53700972
Not anymore; they would have been murdered upon current Imperial contact. The best you'll get are mercenaries and probably some Alpha Legion who play their own game of loyalties.

>>53701020
>tfw no loyalist world eaters
:(

>>53701013
>can i see them
Loyalists from traitor legions either
>keep the traitor colours
>change to pre-Primarch colours
>erase their heraldry and go blackshield
so there's not much to see. What legion specifically are you interested in?

>>53700994
Sounds legit. That's basically the reason Tzeentch keeps Ahriman around.

>>53701054
emperors children. i like their design

>>53701051
>>53701013
Do yourself a huge favor and read the first batch of the Horus Heresy novels. Loyalist Sons of Horus, Death Guard, and Emperors Children were the most prolific with World Eaters tossed into the mix.

You have loyalists in every legion, most being murdered/betrayed. There are notable Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, etc amongst these that survived.

>>53701051
>who is Endryd Haar
>who is Macer Varren

>>53699738
How was getting your nose broken?

>>53701063
Ahriman is an arrogant little weirdo with more power than he knows what to do with and is basically walking a predetermined path he thinks is his own. It's been hinted at a few times that Tzeentch is pleasantly surprised by him a few times, but considers the little man nothing more than a fun story to watch.

If anything, Kharn and Typhus are amazing champions that make both Lucius and Ahriman look like egocentric morons; Typhus being on the verge of that and Kharn just killing as to ease the sake of his existence.

>>53701066
The vast majority of EC loyalists died on Isstvan III (though really, they were marines who the traitors thought would choose the loyalist side - they weren't necessarily asked). If there were survivors ("several", perhaps), it's unlikely that the Imperials that picked them up would allow them to form a unit and get back into combat.

However, it's possible that some companies or squads were too distant to make it to Isstvan III, or they were believed lost in transit due to warp storms... plenty of reasons why they would have missed it. You could also have some participate on the traitor side, then change their mind before, during, or after Isstvan V. Especially after the Word Bearers start doing some creepy shit with the bodies of the loyalists.

The later they leave the main fleet, the less likely they'd be to communicate with loyalist forces because they'd have to assume that they wouldn't be treated terribly well.

>>53701150
I really liked that when Tzeentch decided to kill Ahriman he was going to do it in one of the most convoluted ways possible...before changing his mind.
French gets a lot of shit for some of his HH work, but he nailed the whole TS bullshit. Way better than McNeil.

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>>53701066
Resident Loyalist EC player here. You can do Loyalist/Traitor of any Legions, except Word Bearers (Lorgar made a point to purge them decades earlier or convert them before the Heresy began). As another anon mentioned, you can style them after their Unification Wars color scheme, their canon scheme, or a personal Blackshield scheme. EC stayed the same throughout, but I decided to use white elements since that was a popular rank/merit marker before their unification with Fulgrim.