Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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This scheme, for my Sisters?

Reposting. Can i make cadian Harker and pretend that my cadians are catachan?

>>53695354
Hello there, captain underpants

>>53695346
We played together last night and he said something like "wait til the internet hears about this" so he probably is posting in that thread

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nth for you cant reroll what you didn't roll

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>>53695354
Or this one?

why would you ever not use the varied frequency?

>>53695360
>Can i make cadian Harker
Nope.
>pretend that my cadians are catachan
Yep.

Chart-Anon's Damage Calc Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

Actively working on Blood Angels, taking requests for what to do afterwards. Added an info-page to explain what this is about and more clearly present the formula I'm using.

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Grey Knight Vanguard Detachment

-Grand Master Voldus, 190

-Paladin Ancient, 142
+Nemesis Falchion, 0

-Apothecary, 92
+Nemesis Warding Stave, 0

-Paladin Squad, 275 (5 models)
+4 Nemesis Force Halberd, 0
+1 Daemon Hammer, 13

-Land Raider Crusader, 244
+Twin Assault Cannon, 35
+Hurricane Bolterx2, 8

Total, 999

How's my 9 model list, /40kg/?

>be me
>play emperor's children
>love the new noise marines, they're awesome
>go to store
>play a game against chad
>he sets up his Primaris Marines™
>wow i wish my models were as tall as his
>we begin the game
>he deep strikes his Primaris Inceptors™ into my 5 man noies marine squad, killing 2 of them on the charge with a well used Command Point™ reroll
>well that's ok I have a few more squads lef-
>his Primaris Inceptors™ rip my poor noise marine models to shreds
>his Primaris Hellblasters™ turn them into molten scrap
>finally my sonic weapons are in range
>aim and fire
>all my rolls missed
>my marines are too short to have any effect on the superior tall Primaris Marines™
>watch helplessly as that squad is ripped apart by Primaris Intercessor™ fire
>as he slowly tables me, he looks me in the eyes
>"that's what you get for playing noiselets"
>run home with my models and vow to never ever play Warhammer 40,000 again, while the rest of the store laughs at my misery

>>53695364
How many times can you reroll the stuff you did roll?

Guilliman is just the Emperor 2.0, this time with no psychic power.

>>53695369
Because single freq hits t8 on 4 and everything lower on 3, has better range, better AP and does more damage

>>53695395
Top tier anon

>>53695409
You may never reroll a reroll

>>53695409
once

>>53695409
Once. Page 178, top left corner.

>>53695401
>noiselet marines btfo

Starting 40k with 8th edition and picked up Talons of the Emperor.

What is a fluffy HQ choice for the Sisters of Silence? A non-psyker inquisitor, right?

What about the Custodes? It doesn't seem like they take orders from anyone else.

Are they really best used as allies instead of as a whole army?

>>53695401

top fucking kek
how will slaaneshcucks ever recover

>>53695401
Seems to be trying a bit too hard m8 needs to be less forced

Does the CSM Prescience work on overwatch shots?

>>53695473
Non-Psyker Inquisitors or Priests, yes. You want to add in another army just to fill in the gaps of the low-option armies; bodies to claim objectives are a priority.

>>53695437
Thanks anon your the best

Im gonna win a tournament with this list, I know it

Is deathwatch decent in this edition ? When I read it, I have the feeling that nothing has changed

>>53695401
>noiselet marines
kek

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When Zoanthropes cast Smite, is it only d3/d6 mortal wounds regardless of how many models the unit has or do they get a dice for each model?

>>53695484
I'm all for making fun of the tranny marines, but tone back on the ham fistedness.

>>53695473
Yeah, they're really short on options as-is. Until GW expand them, it may be worth seeing if your local group is okay with you using the Age Of Darkness rules for them (have a look in the OP links of /hhg/ for the rules).

>>53695395
From a fun standpoint, 10/10 would play with and against.
From an effectiveness standpoint, I'd take a cheaper HQ and include some Psybolters, like on the Apothecary or the Ancient. Ideally on both.

>>53695487
Overwatch always hits on 6 no matter what

>>53695515
"A unit of Zoanthropes can attempt..."
The unit is casting, not a model. The benefit of having multiple Zoanthropes is the Warp Blast ability.

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>>53695401
>Not doubling down on your heresy
>Not using the power of chaos to make inhuman gainz
>Not being S5 T5 I5 W2

Embrace the word m8

>>53695325
I was trying to think of comparisons of Julius Caesar to Gulliman what with the stagnation of the Imperium and the Indomitas Crusade being compared to the Gaul Campaign of Caesar however it wouldnt fit Thematically with it considering the Gaul Campaign was before it was an Empire but a Republic. I could imagine the Emperor being a Julius Caesar/ Augustus Caesar type instead what with uniting the Triumvirate (Lost worlds in the Age of Strife). And Guilleman being annoyed at the effect of the Emperor becoming a Religious cult (much the way the Roman Empire became Christian before its collapse.

>>53695473
Aw mate, you picked the literal ally force.

>>53695522
8e and HH are incompatible, m8

>>53695518
It just seems to be trying too hard, didn't feel like natural comedy my dude

>>53695515
Only D3/D6 regardlessof how many models there. But having 4 or more does add D3 on top of that.

>>53695473
>Playing the "elite guard" of the emperor
>Shorter than Nu Marines

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Do you think GW will ever fix blast weapons? It's ludicrous that big explosions are essentially out of the game now. You shouldn't have to roll for random shots and then to hit with a weapon that fires a single high explosive round, they should do random auto-hits like flamers do.

>>53695547
Guilliman is Justinian.

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>>53695558
I replied to the wrong post.

>>53695595
cry more bitch

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Deathwing Vanguard Detachment:
Belial: 150pts

Deathwing Champion: 118pts

Deathwing Terminators: 245pts
+ Chainfist: 22pts
+ Power Fist x3: 60pts
+ Power Sword: 4pts
+ Assault Cannon: 21pts
+ Storm Bolter x4: 8pts

Deathwing Terminators: 253pts
+ Lightning Claws: 13pts
+ Power Fist x3: 60pts
+ Storm Shield: 5pts
+ Thunder Hammer: 20pts
+ Storm Bolter x2: 4pts
+ Plasma Cannon: 21pts

Deathwing Knights: 225pts

Total: 991pts

My first 8th ed list, gonna give it a spin on release day. Thoughts?

>>53695595

if conscript spam goes from meme to meta
definitely

>>53695515
Can you fucking read?
>When this unit manifest the Smite psychic power, it inflicts D3 additional mortal wounds if this unit contains 4 or more models.

In other words: 1-3 'thropes: D3/D6 depending on your roll. 4+ 'thropes: D3/D6 depending on your roll + D3

>>53695595
>Laughing_ork_drinking_your_tears.jpeg

>>53695544
What's the fluff difference between those and normal Possessed?

>>53695549
Not for long :^)

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>>53695354
>>53695368
I like the first one better

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>>53695526
I took Voldus for this list because he's a strong beatstick, and is only 30 more than a regular grandmaster while being a lot stronger and a better psyker, knowing every power. The Apothecary can't take any of the special weapons, but the Ancient can.

Dunno what a psybolter is, do you mean psycannon or psilencer? I didn't take any because of point costs and also because I'm not sure if they're worth it since Relentless isn't a thing anymore, sadly.

>>53695595
An anon earlier said they're still very deadly when massed

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>>53695544

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How does this make you feel

>>53695395
Voldus > Draigo

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>>53695627
Are orks actually good now I haven't been paying attention

>>53695658
ugly cucks vs ugly cucks
who will win i wonder

>>53695612
I'd use more Lightning Claws because your dudes quickly become bogged down in enemies. Also with how small blasts work I wouldn't use the Plasma Cannon

Daemon Princes casting Prescience on nearby Predator is pretty brutal.

Prescience and reroll 1s is pretty brutal in general.

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>>53695535
>>53695561
That's fucking pitiful. No point in taking more than 3 and even that's pushing it.

>>53695632
Gal Vorbak were the first and orginal possessed.

>>53695395
If Voldus is Chief Librarian, why does his smite suck compared to a regular Grey Knight Librarian?

>>53695612
Seems like fun!

>>53695673
Well I do have a spare Lightning Claws termie from my command squad since that got fucked so I could switch the Plasma cannon guy out for him.

>>53695658
Not enough Primaris Marines.
Eldar are good only for being Chad Marine dick warmers.

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>>53695601
>>53695627
>all this asshurt over an internet opinion
I'm not against Orks/Nids m8s but you gotta admit a random number of shots that don't hit automatically in a weapon that only fires a single round makes no sense. If 8th is supossed to be more balanced then making an entire weapon type completely redundant is not a good indicator of balance.

I don't even field blast (WE player) but it just boils down to basic logic.

>>53695621
>1-3 'thropes
Can you read?

>>53695694
What do you mean? GK librarians gain the Daemon Hunter rule and the Rites of Banishment rule, so they become regular smites.

>>53695686
Which means...

>>53695632
>>53695686

It's also important to note that Gal Vorbak worked hand in hand with their Daemon and resembled a normal marine but stronger for most of the time, but in a fight they enter rip n' tear mode. Modern Possessed are similar to the Lupercaii who had less control over Daemon powers

>>53695707
Those of us who have actually played games know that the weapons you are bitching about are fine.

Cry more little bitch, or maybe go play a few games and stop posting online.

>>53695595
Blasts and templates added nothing to the game except grognard waacfags arguing about wether or not a model was under the template.

>>53695639
Yeah, Psycannon, sorry, they were called Psybolters in the German version, I get the names confused. They're great on the Ancient because he shouldn't charge but stay out of harm's way buffing the Paladins so he doesn't have to worry about the Heavy weapon thing. But if you're set on Voldus, then that list is about all you can do. You could argue that a Land Raider is a dick move in 1000 points and that for the points you could get all the guns you want and an Interceptor squad on top, but your list can totally work.

Man, hydra is insane now.

>>53695707
Before they announced Blasts, I thought Large Blasts might have gone
Roll To Hit:
>If successful say D6 Hits
>If failed say D3 Hits*

>*Only works for units with 5+ models

Something along those lines.

>>53695595
Auto-hits are a bit much, they were always a gamble to shoot before, and I'm sure GW would prefer to keep BS relevant for non-flamer weapons.

Some decent suggestions I've seen to make them less unreliably and shitty:
>scale the number of dice you roll to determine how many shots you get with the size of the squad you're targeting, this already has a precedent in the demolisher cannon
>damage from blast weapons can carry over to the rest of the squad, like mortal wounds, but retain the same number of shots they currently have
>Increase the minimum number of shots, like 1+d3 for small blasts, and 2+d6 for large blasts

>>53695424
>Guilliman is just the Emperor 2.0, this time with no psychic power.
and the magical ability to listen instead of just waiting for his turn to talk.

>>53695670
So far, yes.
They have cheap hordes and their vehicles have gotten significantly tougher.

>>53695499
Priests are Elites, but that's a neat idea. Thanks.

>>53695522
I might get into HH, but the league I'm joining is 8th only.

>>53695549
I am starting to realize that, haha. At least I have some great allies lined up for whatever army I main.

>>53695591
This bugs me. They should be huge... but, oh well.

I just had a crazy idea. I like the Black Ships in the fluff, and I thought I could run a Primaris Psyker leading some Sisters. Is that cool? Or just silly?

>>53695595
>>53695707
Honestly how I would have liked to see blasts work is
>roll to hit
>then roll for number of models hit

>>53695761
I was actually surpised how toned back the suedom was with Guilliman in Dark Imperium. That might have been because it was all transfused into Felix.

>>53695658
"Its skin is too tough! I have to attack it from the inside!"

>>53695761
>Mfw 10,000 years, the emperor has learned nothing from his mistakes and it takes Guilleman to fix all his fuck ups

The emperor the Imperium deserves desu

Tempted to start a Daemons of Nurgle army...
Would that be a bad choice?

>>53695764
Justice

>>53695597
You could actually be onto something, especially with Guillemans idea of an Imperium Secundus in the event of a death of the Emperor.

>>53695729
Gal Vorbak were bros with their Daemons who were relatively chill, Possesed are fucked in the arse by their Daemon who controls most of the marine

>>53695826
They seem pretty fun to me. Tons of wounds to go around making them hard to chew through and their special ability only compounds that.

>>53695806
Well.. technically from a 40k perspective he IS the ultimate Sur, because he alone isn't a unreasonable manchild floating on a cushion of stupidity and plot armour.

>>53695710
>no model ever dies during battle

>>53695751
That's cool, man! Really this is a silly thing I thought about and thought it was kinda funny because you can fill the compulsory elites by taking a unit of paladins, and the two optional characters.

You're probably right about the Land Raider though, just thought it'd be funny and it coincidentally boosted the list to 999 points.

I'd probably be better off swapping out the Raider for more Paladins or other units. I'm still not sure if any of the GK guns are worth it or not, though they might be and I just might be miffed at the lack of Relentless for my glorious 3W 3A termis.

>>53695818

Look traitor, your dad only gave you 18 years. The God Emperor has never given up on mankind, even after 10,000 years of constant pain and agony, and even now waits for the days when all of the loyal Primarchs return to save mankind.

>>53695826
Not really. They got a pretty good buff imo with their Feel no Pain.

With precision Deep Strike you also don't have to worry about your GUO either mishapping or waddling up the field

>>53695826
Depends. Do you like daemons of nurgle? If not, then it's probably a bad choice.

can flyers in general still stay in reserve or just if they got the rules for it (like other units)? did i missa unversal USR for flyers in the rulebook or so?

>>53695843
Sounds like the proper use of Chaos. Chaos was meant to go hand and hand with man as they are a natural symbiotic relationship

So... Apparently Redeemed Primaris Legions are part of the Ultima Founding.

Anyone going to roll up a new army of Primaris Emperor's Children or Luna Wolves? Do we know what their new names are gonna be?

Apparently Cawl even used the two lost legions (II and XI) to make at least one Ultima Founding chapter each, so... Fluff is gonna be weird in 8th, man.

>>53695401
>Chad bends his knees to look you in the eye
>"Primaris Marines™ have never heard a song in their life"

>>53695826
Only if you fight Grey Knights.

>>53695843
Modern Word Bearers Posessed have this sort of relationship as well, as seen in the WB Omnibus with Burias, that cool dude.

>>53695875
No more usr. Read datasheets for details

>>53695888
So we're going to know the names of the 2 lost legions or at the very least their geneseed characteristics?
Fucking hell Cawl...

>>53695888
I thought Guilliman specifically said no to that

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>>53695894

>>53695888
He wanted to use the gene stock but Girlyman said no.

He might say fuck you and make them in the future but at the moment they haven't been made.

>>53695852
Point taken. He could have totally over reacted and gone full militant atheist and tore the Imperium in half, (quarter?) but despite everything being fucked beyond recognition and the Imperium shitting on every Ideal of a long gone age, he decideds to do the smart thing.

>>53695888
They are not. Cawl wants to make them, Guilliman said no.

Fabulous making his own "Primaris" Chaos when?

>>53695888
I'm psyked for this.

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Selling my Dark Imperium Primaris Interceptors on sprue. 20 bucks free ship.

>>53695962
Better chance of Cawl going renegade since hes getting super pissy at Mars and already starting to ask Guilliman to do fucked up things

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>>53695923

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>>53695978
Can they kill 2 noiselet marines on a charge?

>>53695888
>Redeemed Primaris Legions are part of the Ultima Founding.
>Redeemed Thousand Sons.
>Start to suffer from the Flesh Change.
>No Magnus to slow the change.
>They either (a) all change into Spawns or (b) make a pact with Tzeentch (using Magnus as a proxy for the lulz)
>And somehow Cawl thought this was a good idea.

When did Cawl replace his coolant fluid with ethanol?

If a rail gun hits a unit of 3 vehicles with 6 wounds each and the explode rule, a single railgun could potentially over penetrate and cause two of the vehicles to explode damaging the third.

But that's on a ridiculous string of rolling 5's and 6's.

needing a 6 on the rail guns damage, a six on the first vehicles explosion chance, and then a 5 and 6 on two d3s for mortal wound damage to kill the next vehicle. and a final explosion roll of 6 and another 1-3 mortal wounds on the last vehicle.

>>53696002
>Flesh Change
>based on geneseed
Anon...that wasn't their geneseed, that was Tzeentch

>>53695364
As a WAACfag, I'm going to discredit this response by the lead developer on the issue, and instead autisticaly debate this interpretation based on RAW and hope that whatever minimum wage pleb does dictation fucks up the the FAQ and/or future rule book.
Game Over, normies

>>53695868
Psycannons pretty much are the way to go. -1 To Hit whilst moving isn't as big of a deal as it seems, specially if you keep a Grand Master nearby. Incinerator is hard to get in range, except maybe with Interceptors, and while the Psilencer is certainly no longer useless it's still mostly a funky weapon that might do something usefull if your to wound rolls are amazing, your opponent fails most of his saves and you roll high damage.

>>53695959
Well, according to Girlyman the Blood Ravens would probably be an abomination too and they still got made, so whatever. I for one would welcome an army of Thousand Sons Chad-marines to bully Space Yiffs with.

belisarius cawl is kelbor hal in disguise
screenshot this post

>>53695743
That's not what the battle reports I've been watching have shown. It'd help if you'd explain why you think they are fine, since from what I've seen they don't kill more than 2 models most of the time, and that's just the demolisher cannons.

Also you sound incredibly butthurt despite me being so nice, which is quite hilarious.

>>53695757
Well even that sounds more realistic than what we have now. You'd think in the 41st millenium a thank crew would be able to hit more than 1.75 gaunts on average.

>>53695803
That sounds more realistic, specially if it's 2d6 for large blasts and such.

I've always wanted to play noise marines and I have been thinking of coming back in for this edition. Will they actually be viable now?

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>>53696002
SCIENCE

>>53695962
Been working on it as long as Cawl has.
Longer even, he started his experiments before the last fires of the palace siege died out.

>>53696002
>Blood Ravens steal the new TS primaris marines

>>53696022
And you think Tzeentch WOULDN'T do it all over again? Especially since this time he can use Magnus as his pawn to corrupt his step-sons?

>>53696030
>dark angels chads and tson chads go to fenris to bully the wolflets
>traitorous loyalists and loyalist traitors
>what did GW mean by this

>>53695999
Only if you roll two 6's for their impact hit rule.

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>>53695401
this fucking meme

finally 41k is a big boy game for big boys

>>53695999

Yes, between the shooting, charge, and Crushing Charge they kill on average, 3 noiselets.

>>53696046
>steal
They were a gift!

>>53695670
Top-tier now my brother.

>>53696030

Thats... not even right. I mean, in-universe nobody knows the origins of the Blood Ravens. But a lot of chapters don't, either. The entire problem with the Blood Ravens was that they prized knowledge, yet the knowledge of their creation being so elusive drove them bonkers until the end of the civil war where they were able to reforge a new identity and put all of that stuff behind them.

If anything, I fully expect Gabriel Angelos to come to Guilliman's defense when chapters start questioning Big G's authority over his springtime alliance with the Ynnari.

I'm a little confused using the leaked army list scans.

Do I pay for weapons separately even when they are included in the profile of the unit?

Dire avengers are Xppm, but do I have to automatically buy avenger shuriken catapults for each one for Yppm more?

If so: why would they set this up this way?

>>53696051
Direct intervention on that scale? Without a direct connection? No.

Tzeentch was close to the thousand sons because Magnus and Co used sorcery already. Corrupting the sons, through Magnus, was only a stepping stone.

So quite possible that wouldn't happen again.

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>>53695923
Guilliman says a lot of things.

Cawls a bit heretekal, but in for a penny in for a pound and all that.

>>53695745
They did add realism, though I agree templates slowed down the game. It's not that the previous option was good, more than what replaced it isn't much better.

>>53695726
GK player here. Smite is still a big part of them because of how easily they can spam it but it's 1 wound no matter how well you roll, and 3 against daemons. Not sure how you're comparing that to d3 or d6 of a normal smite.

>>53696075
>noiselet marines BTFO
>"but muh sonic boom" they say as their stupid skrillex dubstep harmlessly flies below the superior tall Primaris Marines
How will they ever recover?

>>53696051
Well the Blood Ravens aren't transforming into Chaos Spawns left and right.

>>53696087
Well, I mean it was only implied, but I thought the implications that the Blood Ravens are Thousand Sons successors was pretty damn obvious, which would make them just as traitorous as actual Thousand Sons successor chapters

>>53696095
>Doesn't know the Flesh Change basically wiped out the Thousand Sons before they even found Magnus

>>53696091
Yes

>>53695745
This. Too much arguing with the template system.

>>53696134
>realism in 40k mechanics

>>53696100
Need more realism for your heavy weapons?

When you fire them say I UNLEASH MY (HEAVY WEAPON) AT YOUR (TARGET)

BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM AND IT'S (RESULTS) SHOTS ON TARGET AND (RESULTS) HITS AND (RESULTS) WOUNDS! GO AHEAD AND TRY TO SAVE AGAINST MY MIGHTY BARRAGE!!!!

Way better than templates

>>53696091
>Points per model (Does not include Wargear)

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I legitimately had a person call my Necrons Manlet-bots this morning. So I challenged him and he spent the first hour talking about his Primaris and how they were going to be so great and tear up everything. I thrashed him and lost a grand total of 1 model that was still dead at the end of the game. He then spent 20 minutes griping about how if he was using Primaris he would have destroyed me. It was really irritating but deep down inside I was laughing my ass off at his stupidity. Nobody talks shit about my dudes to my face and gets away with it.

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>new Ultima Founding
>Thousand Sons refounded to help wipe away their disgraced past
>Oh shit we can't name them Thousand Sons or people will get confused
>Thousand Chads are born

Truly the Emperor's Finest Stock. Sonlets beware.

>>53696091
>If so: why would they set this up this way?
Makes it much easier to balance the whole game all at once, similar to what they do with AOS

>>53695806
Guilliman has never been depicted as a Sue firsthand. It's always people kissing his ass long after he died. He gets BTFO plenty in the Horus Heresy series.

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>>53696025
I suppose you're right, then. I just wish they did 2 damage though. I'm glad Dreadnoughts are back, which is nice. I can't decide whether Halberds or Staves are better, though. AP-2 S+1 or AP-1 S+2? They both reach the breakpoint of wounding MEQ on a 3+, but the Staff is good against T5 stuff as well and helps keep you alive in melee, where the Halberd will wreck things too since enemies won't be saving as often.

>>53696108
Every unit doing 1 mortal already really adds up, if they did D3 mortal wounds each GK would be way OP.

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>>53695595
the grab flux bombard does a pretty good job at being how a large blast should operate

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I know this was probably discussed a few threads back but if you have more than one bubblechukka in a unit do you roll the characteristics per gun or for the whole unit?

>>53696168
lol manletbots

>>53696108
I meant regular as in regular for GK, sorry m8.

>>53696196
Unit
Like every other variable profile weapon.

>>53696134

Considering how records of the Thousand Sons are thoroughly suppressed and how the only inquisitors to have come in contact with the Blood Ravens either had urgent need of their immediate services with no real regard for the integrity of their chapter or inquisitors who have and would staunchly defend the fierce zeal and the passion for righteousness that makes up the chapter's character, I would say its not obvious at all.

To make it even less obvious, the traitor chapter master turned into a khorne daemon prince. So theres like absolutely no hope of anyone alive in m42 figuring out that puzzle completely - short of Abaddon and Ahriman straight up telling people the truth.

>>53696173
>Magnus tries to recruit them
>Thousand Chads turn him down because his entire chapter is filled with nerds
>They slap the book out of his hands and Magnus runs crying back to the warp

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Would this (pic related) be a decent list based on the starter box of "Start Collecting: Space Marines" (1 Captain, 10 Tacticals, 1 Ven. Dread) in fluff regards of "burn shit down" (salamanders I assumed)?

I'm not sure if I should pick Meltas for one squad (swap with the multi-melta of the dread?) at such a low point base (basically ~500) since idk if I'll face that many vehicles early on. Also since I'm only at 460, what would you add? Or would you even scrap that shit list (first list I made, so be merciful) and build something new (regarding the given models stated at top)?

Thanks in advance anons. You've been very helpful over the last few days regarding my questions.

>>53696196
Yup.

>>53696168
20 bucks on
>things that never happened

>>53696168
Why would you want to even be within 10 feet of someone who acts like that???

>>53696139
Fug, it did, didn't it? Hence evne their own name,. Well if its due to Tzeentch meddling in the geneseed early in production (IE the same as Magnus shares) then its quite possible it was removed during the making of Primaris marines. We have Wolves subchapters now...so for all we know thats possible.

However, it is plausible that it would still occur.

>>53696239
The captain in the Start Collecting box is in Terminator Armor, so he's probably a few more points than that.

>>53696180
My personal vote is for halberds. With the way new hammerhand works the strength isn't as important when it comes to the really important fights you prioritize, since nothing big will require a roll of six to wound, and MEQ will be wounded on 2s.

>>53696225
Is there a page in the rulebook for this, because stuff like lootas and burnas specifically say that you roll for the whole unit, and the bubblechukka does not.

>>53696186
No disagreement here at all. I made my GK list for 7th when they were garbage without 3 NDK (I have one), and if anything now I feel like it's going to be OP. I'm just saying that a single GK smite does not compare to a regular one, especially since they lost anything that makes them less likely to peril. I'll be saving all of my command points to escape peril rolls.

>>53696179
And then he came back in 40k and became an even bigger sue than Draigo could ever be.

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>>53695325

>>53696091
Its easier to balance. For instance, Eviscerators in Sisters cost like 18 points.

Repentia cost 17 points per model. Do you think they should cost 35 each? No. So GW made Repentia have a separate named one, that costs 0 points. This lets them balance units more independently.

Im sort of nervous for what the game will look like in a year. If you don't have the "updated" PDFs and your army is broken, or just pure shit. It'll be pretty hectic if they try to push out balance fixes to regularly.

>>53695912
there are certain USR's like every unit with the keyword fly beeing able to get out of combat and still beeing able to fire. thats why i asked.

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>>53695325
discuss

>>53696275
Oh shit, you're right. That would bump it up (assuming I take a identical setup on the terminator captain) to 485, a lot closer to 500.

Anything else worthy to add or change though? Thanks.

>>53696196
If you're doing fast dice, maybe. But the rules say "every time you fire the weapon" so, if you're firing one by one then you can elect to roll them individually.

>>53696313
You are incorrect.

NEXT

>>53696180
Following up my last statement by saying that all GK librarians should take storm shields (Thank the throne we get those now) and warding staves for that 2+ invuln in melee.

>>53696296
Not really. Doesn't he immediately get rekt by Magnus and have to be saved by Khorne?

Since Drop Pods now can't put Marines within 9" of enemy units, what is the best use for what used to be a suicide melta squad?
Last edition I had a tac squad with Meltagun, Sergeant and a Chaplain both with two Inferno Pistols all in a Drop Pod, but now those pistols aren't likely to be in range to do anything the turn the squad arrives.
Would I be better suited to swap out the Drop Pod for a Rhino and power them up the board, or can they still be of use as a deep striking unit?

>>53696280
Oh wait no.

Roll separately cause every gun and crew is it's own unit once deployed.

>>53696310
Yup. It is a shitty layout.
Hell they have tags that AFAIK don't do anything (Calvary for example)

>>53696333
Care to explain how?

>>53696313
>Hey gaiz I found a minor rule inconsistency, now please start a flamewar over it

>>53696339
Drop pods are for deep striking things that cannot normally deep strike. Rhinos are for transporting troops and soaking up a ton of enemy fire if they are dumb enough to shoot at them.

Seriously, Rhinos are tough as fuck now

>>53696313
>there are downsides to using a certain kind of unit in certain scenarios

WHAAAAAAAT

>>53696353
Care to read and understand the rules before you make gay posts?

>>53696336
No

>>53696265
It wasn't even the Geneseed. It was Tzeentch actively forcing their geneseed's flaw to manifest in dispropotionate numbers of marines. During the Battle of Prospero the Space Wolves also suffered from rediculeous numbers of marines turning into Wulfen near the Tzeentch daemons and warp rifts, just as much as the Thousand Sons were taken by the Flesh Change.

Tzeentch could have picked any legion he liked (because every marine legion has flaws in its geneseed) to fuck over. But since Thousand Sons are massive nerds and the most accomplished marine psykers ever he went for them, because Tzeentch basically is the god of nerds anyway.

>>53696276
I suppose so, it's just that the thought of having a 4++ on basic dudes in melee for free is pretty tantalizing idea, and that you can only cast each power once per turn, except smite.

>>53696332
You can roll the dice 1 at a time but all models in a unit shoot simultaneously.

Alright anons, five man Rubric Warpflamer squad versus ten man Rubric squad with Soulreaper canon. Taking in account that they cost around 185 and 250 pts each, which one is better?

>>53696329
The Start Collecting Termi Cap is monopose, so he only has a Power Sword and Storm Bolter, dunno what the Salamander's Mantle is since there's no relics in 8e yet.

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>>53696366
>Seriously, Rhinos are tough as fuck now
Not tough enough

>>53696229
This. People tend to forget that the average Imperial citizen knows next to nothing of what happened during the Heresy. The records were almost entirely expunged and the Inquisition has put people to death for stumbling onto some of it by accident. As far as 99% of the Imperium knows the Emperor only had the loyalist primarchs as his sons and the traitor primarchs don't exist. They know the Warp's not to be fucked with but that's it.

>>53696333
I'm not
>>53696355
>no argument
>>53696368
fair point

Soooo... Is this total upheaval of the galaxy a shitty deus ex machina to get out of the Tyranid trap they wrote?

>>53696336
Nope, he had help from the SoS, the Eldar, etc. The thing is that one way or another, he always suceeds at everything he does and never fails.

So less of a mary sue, more bullshit plot armor.

>>53696435
Yes you are. Deal with it little bitch

>>53696339
Stick two 5 man Devastator squad with Grav or MultiMeltas in a drop pod, drop em in and nuke shit.

>>53696339
I had luck with Sternguard dropping in and using supercharged Combi-Plasma as a suicide unit

>>53696408
Five man Warpflamer Rubrics need a Rhino or they'll never reach anything in time.

And nobody in their right mind is going to charge them from within 8''

>>53696399
Certainly not a bad pick. Honestly what tips the scale for me is that I just really like look of the halberds since it's unique to them, and really dislike the look of the warding staves. I only put them on my librarians. Staves are probably better against another elite melee army for sure since they'll likely outnumber you. I'm going for the AP since we don't auto bypass MEQ armor anymore.

>>53696424
>when someone farts in the tank

>>53696452
Explain yourself or fuck off

>>53696352
well cavalry and all that non infantry stuff is a keyword for maybe later purposes? for instance a vehicle tells you explicitly only infantry for example are allowed to enter.

also ruins and terrain affects different unit types on different ways

>>53695360
Yes. Consistent look in the army is always appreciated.

>>53696456
>Five man Warpflamer Rubrics need a Rhino or they'll never reach anything in time.
That's why they cost 70 points less.

Also

>people still falling for range in overwatch meme

kek

>>53696471
BRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP

>>53695883
Symbiosis implies they have something to offer us, something that doesnt benefit them, they dont.

Chaos is in a parasitic relationship not a symbiotic one.

>>53696422
>monopose, so he only has a Power Sword and Storm Bolter,
I assume this means you can't even play him like I intended, or just sculp him with that weapon? Sorry for that dumb questions, but I'm pretty new and don't know much about anything yet.

>Salamander's Mantle is since there's no relics in 8e yet.
Taken from a 7e supplement "Angels of Death", grants the "Eternal Warrior" special rule.

List was as of now created for 7e but with the mindset that it could go over to 8e with only a few fixes (see mantle for example)

>>53696428
Would Cawl even know the traitor legions were, well, traitors? And thus not to be used as a base for the Ultima Founding?

>>53696461
You have a good point and I do love the iconic Halberds, too. I think that the Nemesis Warding Staves look a lot better than the generic Force Staves, and giving one to a Brother-Captain or Geand Master for a 3++ sounds delicious, but I dunno, they might be better off with a Hammer or Halberd. Definitely going to give a Staff to my Apothecary since that'll improve his survivability further, and I wish I could give one to the Ancient.

When a Character gives a buff like Blood Angels Lemarte's "Fury Unbound" which affects friendly units of X faction within Y range, do they also benefit from it?

>>53696523
Good post.

It looks like the points system is useless. A lot of this stuff at first glanced looks very poorly balanced.

>>53695325
Had my first game today, decided to go for two 1k lists and try out my 17 models Ork list.
I had
>1x Badrukk with 3 ammo runts
>5x Flash Gitz
>5x Flash Gitz
>1x Mek
>1x Weirdboy
>3x Meganobz with Kombi Skorcha and Killsaw
>1x Morkanaut with all weapons and KFF

Went against
>1x Tau Commander with two meltas and a fuckton of stuff
>3x Crysis Suits with meltas and plasmas and shit
>1x Riptide with some kind of minigun and a plasm
>5x Pathfinders
>5x Pathfinders
>10x Fire Warriors embarked on that ufo tidewall thingy with a fire blade or something that buffed them inside of it.
>A fuckton of drones


Lost on turn 5 after realizing that I fucked up a few things but it's my first game with this army after all.
By not moving my flash gitz I pretty much lost an entire unit to pathfinder fire on turn one.
The Morkanaut is really fun to use and TOUGH AS SHIT. It went down on turn 4 after taking fire from pretty much every single model in the enemy army, but couldn't withstand 30 shots for turn at like 3+ with 1s rerolled wounding on 5s. And the meltas.
Which he saved before charging into the crisis suits and stomping the shit out of them. In the end he blew up pulverizing my mek, shitting 6 mortal wounds on the riptide and 2 on the commander. Meganobz finished the job on the first one and remaining Flash Gitz took down the wounded commander.

Sadly I went for the big pieces first and underestimated the fire warriors so in the end I lost everything while he still had the pathfinders and the 10 warriors.
I could have taken out the Riptide first but I failed the charge roll twice because I had to get closer to my Mek so that he could repair the Morkanaut, gonna switch to a Big Mek on Bike next time for increased mobility.
All in all fun game, gonna love my new Morka holy shit

>>53696565
Probably yes, he's close to 10k years old and even if he wasnt he's high enough to mess with the Emperor's work therefore propaganda is beneath him when he has access to the truth due to him being such a high rank.

>>53696576
If they have the keyword yes.

>>53696524
Chaos offers eternal life.

>>53696474
Read and understand the rules or fuck off

>>53696524
>Symbiosis implies they have something to offer us, something that doesnt benefit them, they dont.
i dont know there mate, both parties gain from giving their followers ''gifts''
Chaos is kind of like a tapeworm has its upsides and downs

>>53696590
Why?

What do you guys think about Tzaangors? I need a 3rd troop in my thousand sons army and a large mass of weird goat birds might do the trick. Tzaangor blades for that ap-1 or chainswords and autopistols for the ability to shoot in melee? Both melee weapons generate an extra attack.

>>53696606
Thank you!

>>53696572
Throwing one on the apothecary is a good call. Unfortunately I already modeled mine with hammers from when they were part of the paladin squad. Stave plus storm shield on my GK librarians for sure to get a 2+ invuln at least. Doesn't help with denying powers anymore which is a bummer. We lost everything that let us deny on a 4+ rerolling 1s.

>>53696576
If he is part of X faction then yes

>>53696590
I disagree. So far I've heard of basically every army beating every other army. If there were major imbalances we'd be hearing more about consistent wins for some sides and losses for others.

>>53696616
it also offers instant death
its a mixed bag

>>53696524
>eternal life
>alter ego
>shapeshifting powers
>super strenght, speed, and toughness
>healing factor
I dunno m8.

>>53696384
>Care to explain how?

>>53696384
Thats a no.

>>53696595
Glad to hear you had fun anon. Something to note, you can't attempt a repair with a mek if they moved more than 5". Doesn't mean that putting them on a bike is a bad idea, just that you need to predict where they'll need to be.

>>53696524
It offers power, which is the desire of all things at the end of the day

>>53696670

Yeah clearly nothing benefiting the host at all.

kek

>>53696670
Don't forget the daemonette waifus

>>53696626
Blades seem like the better option against most targets, since it takes advantage of their better strength and weapon skill. If you want s3 shooting, cultists are cheaper.

Take advantage of their invuln save and have them be a relatively cheap melee harrasment unit. Helps keep your Rubrics out of melee

If a character has a buff that effects multiple keywords do the recipients need one or both to benefit? For example - Chaos lord on juggernaut grants the reroll bonus to Khorne <legion> units - does that mean they need both to benefit or can a unit that has only one keyword like a bloodletter benefit?

>>53696576
Yes, units are within range of their own abilities. Keep in mind they're in range of ALL their abilities, so if a Killa Kan explodes, its squadmates take damage.

>>53696685
Oh, didn't know that. Luckily I never moved my Mek more than 5" and I mainly moved the Morkanaut towards him before charging again.
I'll remember that, thanks!

>>53695658
Looks cool because there aren't any Marines. Scions are bad ass. They hit those girls after.

>>53696620
How do the mortals gain from those gifts exactly?

A small chance at eternal servitude or more likely spawnhood?

Those gifts are only to serve the dark gods ends or at the least rewards for doing so.

Chaos is parasitic by nature.

>>53696670
>all joy and meaning sucked out of existence
>living a hollow, bitter, hatred-filled, deranged life as a pawn for a malevolent power that cares nothing for you
>when you finally die your soul is devoured and you suffer for eternity
>falling for the memes that being Chaos is a good thing ever

>>53696617
I have, that's how I know I'm right

>>53696720
They need to be both then.

>>53696720
think it has to be both

>>53696720
That means it needs both

If it was just one it would say KHORNE or <Legion>

>>53696652
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm happy, and my Ork/Deldar/DG/BA friend is ecstatic. Admech have shuffled a bit but kept their comfy power level, although I will be forever spiteful about Ranger guns and the overabundance of Reroll Ones with no stacking ability. IA14 will provide maximum beepboop, I think.

Chaos is neither good nor bad, it depends on how you use it. One can serve Khorne by only killing aliens and bad humans. And before you say corruption, it can be resisted if you are strong enough. Assuming it wasn't imperial propaganda in the first place.

>>53696733
>here, have this thing that helps you serve my needs
>Hey this thing benefits me! I'll serve your needs because you serve my needs!

That's literally symbiosis m8

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>>53696424
got somethin' for yer...

>>53696750
>>53696754
>>53696759
Alright, thanks. I figured as much but it's always better to know for sure.

So today's game on WarhammerTV with Eldar Vs AdMech, the Eldar crushed them and also crushed them in their test play games as well.

So nice to see the games designers toned down their favorite army and by toned down buffed them again. That's 8 editions in a row.

Oh to be an Eldar player.

>>53696730
Yeah look at the rule "big biker mekaniak" on the big mek on bike profile. The painboy on bike has a similar rule.

>>53696636
While I am as bummed out as you are, if we got psychic hoods or some sort of equiv on all our squads (which makes sense from a lore perspective), we'd be the no fun allowed in the psychic phase. I do think that grand masters or at least Voldus should still have some deny bonus tho

>>53696730
Only affects them on bikes, the regular mek is good to go.

>>53696313
>coming to /tg/ to discuss the nuances of the rules and figure out what you're up against at tournaments
you fucked up, anon

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Daily reminder that your 40k lore is being fucked by a starwars weeb.

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>>53696761
>And before you say corruption, it can be resisted if you are strong enough.
Can you chaos fags just admit you're playing the edgy slaves to pure evil faction and stop trying to justify them as being "akschually the antihero good guys" ?? Holy kek

>>53696553
Yeah, his model only comes with a power sword and storm bolter, rather unfortunately.

Lemme write up your list in 8e style.

•Terminator Captain with Power Sword and Storm Bolter, 128

•Tactical Squad (5 models) with Flamer, Sergeant Combi-Flamer and Chainsword, 85

•Tactical Squad (5 models) with meltagun, Sergeant Combi-flamer and Chainsword, 93

•Venerable Dreadnought with Multi-melta, Dreadnought Combat Weapon, and Heavy Flamer, 174

The only problem is that the Venerable Dreadnought sprue only has a Lascannon, Assault Cannon, and Plasma Cannon for the primary weapon, sorry anon.

>>53696772
Guess where iz gonn stikk dis stikkbomm.

>>53696733
people who fall to chaos are in it for personal gain every time, chaos gods give them what they desire in exchange for servitude.
a marine wants to be stronger so khorne gives him strength in exchange for skull coins everyone gets what they want

>>53696779
>>53696685
Out of interest, can meks and painboyz (not on bikes) do their thing if they Advance? It would lead to the comedy situation where meks on foot can do speedrepairs at more than 5" but meks on bikes can't.

>>53696802
I full acknowledge they are evil. But they are also ambitious and powerful as opposed to gimping themselves

>>53696802
Don't lump us all in with that faggot. I might play the edgelord faction but I at least own it.

>>53695325
Plastic noise marine models when?

>>53696777
Admech had probably the worst units to fight the eldar list.

>>53696797
>starwars lore is going to be fucked by a 40k nerd
Pottery.

>>53696802

But anon, deldar are the true evil for evils sake

>>53696797
>starwars weeb.
Well shit, coulda fooled me, that big lumpy forehead looks straight outta a low budget star trek episode.

>>53696787
You would think so. I'm holding out hope that the codex adds some goodies, but I'm happy already so it can only get better. Librarians have hoods but it only adds 1 to deny if the psyker being denied is within 12". Not great but it's free.

>>53696802
>playing the edgy slaves to pure evil faction
But that's what the Imperials are doing.

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What's the best loadout for Sentinels now? I've heard a few things like Scout Sentinels with Heavy Flamer and Armored with Autocannons, but I don't know anymore. Their offensive power seems a lot worse. Even though I have all mine magnetized I'm not seeing a strong option.

>>53696839
Same rule as with sisters, ever time someone asks the clock is reset and another month is added.

>>53696804
Many thanks for that! Gonna save that bit for later.

Damn shame the Dreadnought only has the mentioned sprues. I guess it would still be possible to play him like I intended given your list, but I got to think of some way to get that weapon on him right? Like, I can't really prox anything for my first few games there?

>>53696839
Whenever Fulgrim gets a daemon model and gets off his slithery ass to finish what he started with Papa Smurf most likely.

>>53696744
>making so much shit up in a single post
Mate, everything you said is just plain false, I wonder where you got that from.

>all joy and meaning sucked out of existence
Says who? Because those Nurglites and Slaneeshis seem quite happy to me. Hell, there are many fluff examples of even Khorne worshipers bragging about living the dream when refferring to endless battle.

>living a hollow, bitter, hatred-filled, deranged life as a pawn for a malevolent power that cares nothing for you
Same as above.

>when you finally die your soul is devoured and you suffer for eternity
That doesn't even make sense, how can you suffer for eternity if your soul is devoured? Never mind the fact that Bloodletters and Plaguebearers are made from human souls.

>falling for the memes that being Chaos is a good thing ever
Neither good nor bad. It depends on how you use it.

>>53696797
The two lost Primarchs:
>Robi-Nan Kedobi (loyalist)
>Dearth Verder (heretic)

>>53696623
Let me rephrase,

Problem units look like they are still shit in most cases. Anything with a template looks pretty garbage. The rules changes also looks like some units are now complete trash.

The result is I feel like the game is looking mono build for armies not like the every model gets time in the sun that was promised.

>>53696772
....clever girl

>>53696797

Daily reminder that I'm downloading all the rules and not reading any of the fluff for 8th edition.

>>53696831
Its not real gain in comparison to what they lose, so its parasitic.

If i offer you a good deal thats actually not a good deal for you in the long term and wildly in my favor at all times thats not a symbiotic relationship.

>>53696804
Termi cap, SB, PS
Tac, PG, combiplasma
Tac, Flamer, combiflamer
Dread, TL lascannon, HF

That's better.

You can even proxy a librarian with your cap.

How's this look for 1k points?

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with twin malefic talon and warp bolter 165

Helbrute with twin lascannon and power scourge 165

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and flamer 256

10 Rubric Marines with Soulreaper Cannon and flamer 256

10 Tzaangors with Tzaangor Blades and Instrument of Chaos 70
Rhino with Havoc Launcher and Combi Bolter 83

Total points for army 995

>>53696839
Probably end of the year/first months of 2018 if they're following the Tzeentch/Nurgle cycle.

>>53696859
guy from left, looks like a professional.
guy from the right, a fucking manchild nerd that is supporting the competition with "FUCKING X-WING"

>>53696777
>judging game balance of a brand new game by one battle report

Youre not really this stupid... right?

>>53696861
Same here. Honestly, just being able to deepstrike with no scatter and then charge made my day. Everything else after that is just gravy.

>>53696916
What's a bad deal to you is a good deal to others. How do you know what they lose isn't worth it in their eyes?

>>53696832
You are correct. For the non-bikers it just says >At the end of your Movement phase...

Whereas the bikers have:

>At the end of your Movement phase, if it didn't move more than 5"...

>>53696915
agreed.
the 8th edition fluff it's god awful.

>>53696853
No, they actually need to cause pain in order to stop their souls being eaten. They have more justification than Chaos Marines, despite the fact that they're still evil as all fuck.

>>53696862
Only some of them.

>>53696802
No one is denying we are edgelords, we just debate the 'slaves' part.

>>53696923
all the rubrics are carrying flamers?
Hmm looks nice, I may use something lke that but I am tempted on using Arhiman instead of a daemon prince of tzeentch.

Also I like the idea of a rubric squad with bultguns and one with flamers, to perform different roles.

Tzangors rule!

>>53696777
Let me guess having not seen it.

They used power levels and the losers list looked like absolute garbage AND they played like a moron.

>>53696938
Exactly. Overall a colossal buff to the army as a whole. New storm bolters are so damn good that it makes one question even taking special weapons.

>>53696949

Which you would know, having just said you're not reading it.

>>53696955
>Slaves to Darkness
>the Lost and the Damned

>>53696981
pretty sure he means one flamer
an all flamer squad is like 370pts

>>53696777
>Eldar player brings WAAC list-tailored snorefest against silly admech spam list
>Takes forever every turn to time out the game
>wins because they had to end early
Nothing to do with army balance senpai

>>53696777
They didn't do THAT badly, and they couldn't have been more hardcountered by that Eldar list if they tried. I suspect a more conventional Onager/Vanguard/Sniper Rangers/Cult Mech support list would do fine, but Wraith lists are begging for a list of expensive MCs to deploy right next to them like they did. No range or durability advantage was really used.

>>53696868
Armored Sents with autocannon look like the best choice still.

>>53696938
I like that too. It also gives me reason to pull my models from the front if they shoot. Risk the 9 inch charge or get some shots in.

>>53695544
Are Gal Vorbak legal in 8th ed?

>>53697002
Kek are you seriously using the way imperials call them as an argument for their actual condition?

You didn't think before making that post did you?

>>53696921
What's the reasoning behind the Combiplasma on the tacts (I assume something something range?) and the lascannon on the Dread?

Also, care to quickly note what PG and TL mean on this list? The rest I could get from the previous list.

And, last question, how a Librarians in lower point lists? I heard different stuff like they're good a higher points or tend to not be used in later builds (1k+). Not intending to buy pieces which I can't/won't use later since I now know why everybody states that 40k is not a cheap hobby.

>>53696868
Heavy Flamer + Saw is a great loadout for Scouts since you can make a pre-game move and it gets around their poor BS on the move.
For Armored, I'd say to plop them down (preferably obscured for the cover bonus) with your preference of long-ranged weapon. Lascannons might make them too attractive of a target for how tough they are, but Autocannons are kinda pricey and not that great. Your best bet might very well be Multilasers.

Question everyone. If Abaddon and Guilliman fought in the current edition who is more likely to win.

>>53696981
I could get either desu.

Ahriman on Disc is 166. A question of preference at that point really

>>53696994
I have heard enough and the gathering storm and wrath of magnus where pieces of steamy goat shit.

Not interested in this pew pew sci-fi crap.

>>53695395
>>53695612
10/10 can't have enough terminators

>>53697028
No, Horus Heresy only

>>53697058
Guilliman.

so I missed toda's stream. How did the match go? any rule clarification dropped?

So I'm just getting back into 40k after a few years break. I bought the Tau start collecting box (didn't have any minis anymore and had always been interesting in tau), however I've been thinking recently and also wanna start guard. Should i stick with tau or guard? I really like the idea of guard but also don't wanna have wasted £50

>>53696879
Yeah, only way to get one on a dread without kitbashing would be ordering the part from Forgeworld. I'd go with an Assault Cannon, myself, or Lascannon for AT.

>>53697031
>good and evil are a matter of perspective

>>53697059
different lists equals more fun! I just need to finish painting my stuff.

>>53697017
>Takes forever every turn to time out the game
That was what he was doing? I wondered why they were playing so agonizingly slowly that it makes the 12-year-olds at the store look lightning quick. Seriously, they had like 50 models tops between them, a large chunk of which weren't shooting or were tied up in CC the entire game.

Man, that's a dick move.

>>53696992
I won't lie, I have been asking myself that especially since we can charge what we did not shoot. Basically use hammers for big things, stormbolters on smaller things. Out of range? Have Gate, no problem.

>>53697102
admech were curbstomped

>Eldar are balanced guys!

>>53697103
Pick the ones you like the most mate.

Anyone enjoying 8th without looking for over powered stuff like conscripts? I've played a game with my IG every day for the last week. My favorite thing at the moment is "fix bayonets". It isn't winning me anything but I like to yell it.

>>53697119
I already have the now much less useful incinerators and still decent psycannons modeled so I'm sticking with them but the incinerators especially I feel would be better dropped for the bolters. I can't even use them after deep striking. That's a loss of 20 shots total across my units during the all important alpha strike.

>>53697103
Tau isn't bad but Guard is probably the most flexible option for sure.

A lot of unit variety and you can take any imperium units in your formation without penalty and still be battleforged.

>>53697105
Aye, thanks for that info. Maybe some of the guys who introduced me got some stuff left around or can help me there. Also thanks for helping me out with that list so far, really appreaciated.

>>53697099
How so

Guilliman has more wounds and higher toughness and Strength, but he has much few attacks then Abbadon and Abs takes less damage from his attacks.

Both Reroll to hit and though Guilliman rerolls to wound as well.

>>53697123
sounds fun, how'd it go?

>>53697075

I'm glad you're unable to form an opinion of your own, it makes you really credible. I'm sure you "heard" so many things about Wrath of Magnus and Gathering Storm.

>>53696981
I fought an Ultramarines army the other day with my thousand sons. I had one thousand sons squad with 5 flamers shoot Guilliman and dealt him 24 wounds. Grilled Primarch. He came back to life again afterwards, but it was still well worth the points.

>>53697139
Yeah I like guard more but also don't wanna have chucked the money away as they're already partially built and some are primed. Might try and sell them to someone cheap at an my LGS

>>53697021
I guess as long as they don't move it's not so bad. Sadly that's the only reason I took Sentinels last edition because they could fire full BS heavy weapons on the move. Now they're just kind of durable things.
>>53697057
Scout with Saw and Heavy Flamer is 54 points, that's a ton of points. Saw might be good if they got more than 1 Attack. They should have had 2 base at least. I guess you can give them 2 attacks if you took Straken, but still. Getting around BS5+ on the move helps. I just saw they can move 9 inches normally so 9+9 inches is pretty comfy if you're going first. If you're playing Guard though it's like you're going second.

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>>53696904
Sorry, but he's already an inquisitor since the old days.

>>53697094
Thank you.

>>53696940
Neat. I mean, it's hardly a big deal, but it's nice that painboyz can keep up with a running mob, at least.

>>53697058
Guillemen has an overwhelming advantage. More wounds, higher toughness, 3++, deals mortal wounds on a 6, and even if he is killed he comes back to life on a 4+ when the phase ends.

>>53696916
even a small chance of immortality is always worth the deal in the world of 40k, its such an awful universe to live in where no matter what your soul is eaten in the warp so a chance at salvation is worth the bet

>>53697161
Yeah I like guard, the tempestus stuff looks really cool saw, are they any good?

>>53696802
Old school chaos fags know that chaos was never meant to be the alternative they were the bad choice that effects everyone else and never meant to be one of two equal and opposite factions to the imperials. That viewpoint is head cannon that got imprinted into new school chaos fags because all the stories (like BL) that feature Chaos have them convinced they are the good guys or at least equal in evil or lesser than the imperium.

The imperiums shit was a reaction to Chaos slowly corrupting it, not an equal state.

Chaos is far worse even if you might have a one in a trillion chance to become a demon prince.

And from what the lore is telling us its not fucking paradise, its not always a reward for the deamon prince. (ask Morty for instance.)

>>53697182
What's your list? Am curious about what others play.

>There are faggots (mostly ork players) who think that a huge ordnance weapon hitting a large blob of boys should only kill one boy.
>This is the current state of 40k players.

>>53696802
>akschually the antihero good guys
Who the fuck plays Chaos to be the good guys? We're the primary antagonists of the setting. I play Chaos to be the villain to all my Space Marine playing friends.

>>53697244
You dont understand immorality if you think it cant suck worse than death anon.

>>53697169
>>53697169

> conjecture

Wrath of magnus was literally described like a hanna barbera cartoon, Arhiman got smacked like a bitch and it was deux ex machina after deux ex machinas.

Same with the gathering storm books, many forced shit going on and suddenly appearing and suddenly being fixed by a deux ex machinas.

Daemons here and daemons there basically, meanwhile the rest of the alien races are relegated to NPC's.

I am sorry but your favorite books are trash. How sad for you.

>>53697298
>Arhiman got smacked like a bitch
He made up for it some when he casually murdered an unnamed Phoenix Lord like it was nothing during Gathering Storm I guess.

>>53697150
>yelling that kind of shit when playing
Jesus anon

>>53697021
>autocannon
Why? For the same price you can get a plasma cannon?

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>>53696196

You can't have more than one bubblechucka in a unit. Check the Grot Krew rule on the Mek Gunz; once deployed, each Gun and its 5 Grot crew operate as separate units.

>>53697279
I'm an ork player and I think that artillery killing one model for every shot is dumb as shit. I really want artillery fixed, especially since 8e is going to be a hordefest.
Anyway, if you really want something to help counter hordes and boyz/conscript spam, get a bomber or something. Dealing mortal wounds depending on how many models you fly over is nice.

>>53697244
Chaos caused the Soul eating conditions in the first place, remember the eldar empire reincarnating??

>GUYS WE CAN TOTALLY SAVE YOU FROM US AND THE PROBLEMS WE DIRECTLY CAUSE.

>Well maybe if youre lucky, but probably not.

>First you have to serve us and perpetuate the problem for everyone else.

But seriously were clearly ONLY just as bad as the Imperium.

>>53697154
Yea. Thankfully I only have that problem on the interceptors and remodelling them to psycannons is not a problem. Though I am considering of just giving them falchions and sticking them near the ancient and turn them into a blender unit. Speaking of interceptors - have you tried them out yet?