/5eg/ Fifth Edition General:

>>53670335
Inquisitive Rogue is good, Horizon walker is good. Cavalier is hot fucking garbage and should have never touched anything beyond the ideas table.

Stop mulitclassing.

>>53670418
>Cavalier is shit
>Knights main ability specifies 5 foot range despite Lance being 10 foot

do these fuckers read the rules before making the rules

>>53670481
why

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How do you guys feel about kitchen sink settings? Something for everyone or unfocused mess?

>>53670541
My setting is intentionally both of those things.

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>>53670516
Stop. Now.

>>53670486
>>Knights main ability specifies 5 foot range despite Lance being 10 foot

??

>>53670541
I like the kitchen sink because seeing how everything meshes or tries to mesh together is fun. Its also fun for having a legitimate reason for humans to not be dominant and default. Combining planescape with eberron and FR makes for some wacky shit.

>>53670590
>If a target marked by you is within 5 feet of you on its turn and it moves at least 1 foot or makes an attack that suffers disadvantage from this feature, you can make one melee weapon attack against it using your reaction.
>5 feet
>lance gets disadvantage at 5 feet
>lance also allows use of a shield while mounted
>knight is supposed to be a tank

>>53670418
>Inquisitive Rogue
What?

Did I miss an UA?

Does the early thread poster ever sleep?

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Tonight I'll be playing a Light cleric, and I want to do it in a very Inquisition "Purge the Unclean" way. I just didn't know until right now that we'd be playing in the Forgotten Realms, and I'm not terribly familiar with the setting.

What deities would be more in line with that kind of behavior?

Battlemaster and cavalier are like if wizard got no features besides casting spells, limited spell selection, and didn't get arcane recovery until level 15.

>>53670757
https://dnd.wizards.com/sites/default/files/media/upload/articles/UA%20Gothic%20Characters.pdf

Surprisingly alright both via flavor and mechanics.

>>53670798
Whelp, my level 2 rogue isn't going thief anymore.

>>53670335
You guys really like your blacks, huh?

>>53670614
technically, since it's a reaction it happens after the trigger, which would be "move 1 feet"

so he's not in 5 feet anymore

I think, anyway. It's kinda unclear if this is what it's going for.

>>53670840
Why, though? It's not a very good subclass.

>>53670955
>Extra Sneak Attack damage
>Gaurenteed Sneak Attack Damage against a single target even with disadvantage
>You are a detective

I see no problem here.

>>53670778
Tiamat

>>53670982
Point is, you are usually better off taking a swashbuckler.

>>53670999
Why?

>>53670999
That's the min/max choice, Inquisitor has a fuckload more flavor and some moderately competing features.

>>53671034
Inquisitive, anon, it's called inquisitive. It's Eberron's version of a detective.

>>53670982
>Extra Sneak Attack damage
At level 17.
>Gaurenteed Sneak Attack Damage against a single target even with disadvantage
I had basically never had a situation where I couldn't sneak attack over 10 levels as a rogue (no, I was swash, but admittedly, I got a familiar).
>You are a detective
You can get that from a theme.

It's flavorful, but it's not really good.

>>53670999
>swashbuckler
>to replace a detective
What?

How? The fuck are you smoking? You sure you didn't mean that Oathbreaker Paladin was a better choice?

Literally nothing to do with each other.

>>53671115
>hurr combat
Why the fuck are you picking a rogue if you want the mad deeps? Easily the worst choice if you just want to do damage.
>always advantage
Playing with flanking rules like some faggot? Or did your GM never touch your familiar?

>>53671214
subtle trolling

>>53671214
to make you angry, latent frogposter

>>53670778
Kossuth, probably. Or a sect of Amaunator.

>>53671235
Ugghh that isnt a frog it's a goose

>>53671214
Didn't you do it so that you could then false flag shitposting with a donald duck meme?

how would a small group of Fire Genasi mercenaries carry out an assassination? any specific novelties to explore?

now how would they carry it out on a PC?

running a homebrew science fiction/fantasy setting and i'm going to be putting my party (cleric, barbarian, and monk, all level 5) through an abandoned energy research center. want to throw zombies at them but want to add a neat flair to them that makes them a bit more unique without basically being fallout ghouls or resident evil zombies. i was thinking using the strahd zombies as a base then giving them psychic abilities. any other ideas?

Any third part pdfs for dungeon cooking? Like, tastes of monster meats, ingredients, cooking methods, etc. Asking for a friend.

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>>53671282
I don't even play dad faggot but I notice in the catalogue every time you Marxists make a new thread there is a nigger baboon in the OP
>>53671235
Pic related

Check my homebrew magic item. I need help with the wording for the Bounding Shield property

>Mighty Shield (+2 AC)
>Thrown Range 20/60
>Deals 1d6+STR
>Bounding Shield: Upon striking a target (hit or miss), if you have the Extra Attack Feature, you may use it with this weapon to make another ranged weapon attack roll, that counts your first target as the starting point for the throwing range. Whether or not you chose to do so, the shield returns to you after an attack roll up to 80 feet in whatever direction you ended your turn in. If it reaches you, you may catch it
>You may not benefit from Shield AC bonus while the Mighty Shield is not on your imediate Person

>>53671297
i imagine since fire genasi are more arrogant and confident that subtly isn't their strong point. as part of their ambush, have them use pyrotechnics or some other fire/light related spell to blind or otherwise hinder the party while they go in for the kill. they can block pathways with fire and guide the party into another ambush if they try and flee.

also i imagine that during the whole first round, as they are burning and stabbing the party, they're having some elaborate introduction to themselves sort of ginyu force or team rocket style.

>>53671214
Someone made the exact same comment and so the OP decided to troll them with a black image from now on.

>>53671362
Yeah, this is bait.

Can you ask you next time that you post a black person as OP you at least make it somehow d&d related?

>>53671392
the best chance they are going to get is at a royal ball the players have been invited to (in honor of their service to the city).

think the flashbang search and siege strategy still flies?

>>53671398
>Implying it isn't op trying to get attention

Please that faggot has false flagged since day one for "ebin trolling XD!

>>53671392
>sort of ginyu force or team rocket style.

I didn't realize how badly I want this in a campaign untill now.

Not even remotely triggered by OP's picture but it is shitposting in its purest form considering the amount of people that get piss-blasted by a black guy and feel the need to post dozens of times over it.

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>>53671407
>>53671454
Get fucked nigger lover

What are some mechanical benefits to playing a dwarf martial over a half-orc one?

>>53671454
Actually, I am the OP. I'm not even doing it for attention - I'm not even doing it for butthurt. You'll notice that every time racists get pissy, their posts get deleted by janitors, and they get banned. This is why I'm doing it - to purge /5eg/ of scum.
I can't speak for others, though - I'm not the only one doing this.

>>53671551
You are just as bad as they are.

>>53670941
No, it happens before the move happens.

It's a reaction to the target attempting the action.

Otherwise, you'd only be able to cast counterspell AFTER the spell has already been cast.

>>53671575
How do you figure pollack?

>>53671551
>I'm actively encouraging /pol/ style posts for reasons

Yep sounds like a complete faggot who should join them

>>53671575
You are not making sense. Just as bad how? Standing up to racists and /pol/tards does not make me the same as them.

>>53671385
Make it not available for use with other weapons.

A +2 AC on top of the shield AC is insanely strong.

>>53671169
You don't need advantage to sneak attack?

Having an ally within 5 feet is enough. Or, for a swashbuckler, being the only one within 5 feet of the enemy also works.

>>53671575
Stop replying to him. He samefags in every thread pretending to be racist to try to ignite arguments. If you all started ignoring his threads and making a proper new thread and using it instead, this wouldn't be an issue.

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>>53671493
>You get (you)s from the OP post

Can a paladin using a glaive and PAM and GWM use the -5/+10 feature on the bonus attack? Also, does he get the d8 improved smite die with the bonus attack?

>>53671622
Actually, every time someone tries that, the janitors delete the duplicate thread. They are entirely on my side.

>>53671627
Not sure about the GWM on the bonus but if I remember correctly you can smite on it same with rage damage applying to it.

>>53671632
It has happened once, you dolt.

>decide to play a melee fighter
>think that i'll take more damage from the enemy but it shouldn't be too bad
>the majority of damage I take is from the party sorcerer casting aoe spells

>>53671433
depends on how evil you want them to be. i suppose if they're more ruthless and don't particularly care for collateral, i feel like it could still work and possibly actually be better for them. they're resistant to fire and they're fighting in a ballroom that's been set ablaze. not to mention it's should be easier to funnel the players into specific areas.

>>53671627
There's no reason why he wouldn't be.

The bonus action attack isn't magically a different weapon.

It's also a melee weapon attack, so you can smite with it.

Am I seriously the only one who straight up doesn't notice the OP picture is of black people?

I only ever notice because triggered autists points it out.

>>53671632
>They're enforcing the rules of no duplicate generals
>THAT MEANS THEY TOTALLY SUPPORT ME!

Holy shit you are just as delusional as /pol/

>>53671662
He's inadvertently right. Technically his threads are duplicates because they're early, but the janitor is mentally retarded and doesn't realise. Last time, instead of deleting the thread, the janitor deleted about 75% of the posts in the thread and deleted the non-bait one.

>>53671662
Why do you speak about yourself in third person? "You're just as bad!" argument doesn't work, when I know that you are literally a hitler-worshipping nazi.

>>53671493
>McDonald's app

Goodness gracious

>>53671695
I only hate black "people" because one stole my dad's job another stole the girl I liked in college and because they always chimp out when one of their thugs get shot by a policeman.

>>53671551
>I'm only pretending to be retarded>>53671611

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>>53671719
>Two McDonald apps open at the same time
You literally can't be more american than that.

>>53671650
they're trying to eliminate this Water Genasi PC. she comes from the elemental plane of water, trying to find the cause of greater chaos sending the tides of her plane crazy. she's trying to bring law and rest the chaos of her plane.

the Fire Genasi assassins (or mercenaries as their job) hail from the elemental plane of fire. they wish to fan the flames of war and chaos on the material plane to enrage the flames back on their home plane. they caught wind of the Water Genasi and what she's done so far and they wanna take her out by any means necessary.

so i suppose evil. i doubt they'd care too much for collateral but i dont think they'd ALSO want a bunch of noble houses on their asses for lighting the house ablaze and announcing themselves.

>>53671611
The +2 AC is the standard Shield bonus

>>53671727
Maybe your girl left you because you're an idiot. I literally told you how janitors ban racists in /5eg/, and you still couldn't resist your /pol/ posting.

>>53671742
>doesnt know how phones or notifications work
anon... I..

>>53671692
Yeah now that you mention it I do remember that

>>53671695
>Implying implications

Ok

>>53671719
>>53671742
Don't fucking act like you yuros don't have McDonald's in what ever inferior country you hail from

>>53671777
>I literally told you how janitors ban racists
fear mongering will get you nowhere nigger
just because 5e "allows" you to play a flaming faggot doesn't mean 5eg will.

>>53671817
I don't go to it so regularly I find it worthwhile to keep an app on my phone you behemothly fat fuck, let alone keep it twice

>>53671755
i mean the nobles would be on their asses anyways because they're crashing a party to kill, yknow, the person they're having a party celebrating anyways. either way they're going to piss them off. if you think they'd want to avoid pissing them off, have them stalk the party, perhaps have a spy or two at the ball keeping an eye on the party and coordinating with the rest of the mercenaries outside. let the party have a few insight checks possibly to see if they're suspicious or not. once the ball is over and the party leaves, they trail them just far enough and then ambush them.

>>53671214
Who cares?

More importantly, how insecure are you that you even noticed?

>>53671856
See >>53671794 dumbass. Also I only way 126 pounds. That's 57 Kilograms for you retarded yuropoor

>>53671864
This man has a point, any crashing of the party would immediately lead to trouble from the noble houses.

>>53671873
I noticed that they are obnoxiously early, monotonous and lazy, which lets face it, is just bad racial optics...

I mean, what's next, a negro with lightning powers? Woah,, don't blow my mind there

>>53671856
>install a free app on your phone once because as it turns out there is such thing as a free lunch
>get notifications every once in a while
>dont clear them
>some dipshit on the internet thinks you installed an app twice on your phone because you have two old notifications from said app
wew

>>53671898
Uff, fat and dwarvish. That's rough

>>53671900
>>53671864

fair enough, thanks for the help

>>53671136
My party has an undying warlock detective

>>53671927
126 pounds is not fat for someone that is 5"6. Are you mentally braindead?

>>53671954
So what you're saying is that you can't be obese because you're actually a malformed manlet?

>>53671927
>>53671992
>back peddling this hard
wew

>>53671214
I didn't do this OP, but I put black people in the picture purely to b8 reactions like this.

>>53672022
>Backpeddaling

Senpai, you're kinda dumb

>>53671385
So cliche it hurts. Also, as worded, you only ever get 2 attacks with it, even if your extra attack feature grants you 3 or 4 total attacks.

>>53672085
Hey, cliché helps you keep things under control

And why only 2 attacks with it? I know it has a return range limit, but the idea is that you use your movement to reach it

>This one spastic falseflagging as /pol/ so he can make more tumblr posts
State of the moderation on this board.

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>>53672050
>Senpai, you're kinda dumb
well at least I dont think you can install an app into your notification bar and two of the same type at that
ha
you know what? you are alright, for a retard.

>>53671654
You're in the silent majority.

>>53672130
I didn't say you installed it twice.
I said you "kept it twice"
As in "you need to shove your larder with americrap so hard your notifications settings are enabled to multipled pings at any one time"

>>53672170
aww its so adorable when he tries to defend himself
haha awwwwwwwww

>>53672187
Are you "only pretending to be retarded" again?
Its starting to get off putting. Maybe you should go grab a milkshake or something, maybe you just get this when you're hungry

Which by all accounts seems to be often

>>53672170
>>53672187
Could you two love birds takes this elsewhere?

Does anyone have a picture of a Female Red Tabaxi or Female Red Catfolk? I can't find anything.

>>53672120
Because the way the feature is worded right now, it is a conditional:

If you have extra attack
You may use it to make another (singular) attack with this feature.

Here's how I would word it. Make it an actual weapon with the ranged tag, so being able to hit multiple enemies is just part of the normal rules, and then give it a custom rule that defines the bounding property.

Something like this:

Bounding Shield
Range 20/60
Damage, etc, etc
Properties: Thrown, Bounding

Bounding: This weapon's range is calculated as if from the attacker, or the last target attacked this turn, and it can return to its user after being thrown. If, after the final attack with this weapon in a turn, the weapon is more than 60 feet away from its user the weapon does not return immediately. Instead, it travels to it's user at a rate of 60 feet per turn.

>>53672328
unironically, you'll find it here

>>/pfg

>>53671235
>frogposter
PEEPEE THE TOAD IS HATE CYMBOL!

>>53672372
Alright, I'll give it a go.

Fuck the underdark

>>53672444
this
ive never had the urge to include it in any sort of setting and every time I play in a campaign that we go adventuring anywhere near it, the campaign starts to absolutely blow
and yet
its like a cornerstone of modern dnd

>>53672392
like 50% of frogposting happens on pol, maybe 15 on int, 15% on r9k, and what's left just sprinkled around the rest of the internet.

>>53671542
1 more Con, poison resistance.

>>53672523
>hes never been on twitter
you know 4chan is pretty neat-o but its not the only place where people congregate

>>53671542
Like >>53672547 said but also, depending on how your DM runs it stonecunning could help you find stuff in dungeons.

>>53671760
Ah, alright.

Assumes you meant on top of the +2, considering that the base +2 is implied in the "shield" designation.

>>53671950
Sounds cool.

Warlocks make hilarious detectives. Had a not-detective GoO Tomelock who had all sorts of tricks for figuring out shit.

Of course, for Warlocks, a Seeker with that unique starlight pact bond is probably better for that, but eh. It was fun playing a CoC character.

>>53672470
My group has rotating dms. We put homebrews on hold, and have been running modules. We played CoS, which was fun. I ran SKT which I had fun with.
Then one player bought out of the abyss, and I hate it, there's no sense of adventure. It's just the DM saying your wandering through some caves until I decide you're in an important place.

Derendil is my boy though.

Do you think it would be fair to make the satire bard's tumble be a choose dash or disengage, maybe throwing in the extra jump part? As is there is no reason not to tumble every turn for 50-60ft of movement, disengage, and mad hops for hit and run tactics.

>>53672584
i'm talking about frogposting anon, it's undeniable that most of it is done on 4chan

>>53672353
Thanks. You know, this is almost perfect except for the part where I might want it to drop down and fall if the thrower hasn't gone to meet their shield somehow, but whether that bit works or not I'll have to fine tune it with play testing.

>>53672691
If you haven't read The Dresden Files yet, you should.

>>53671654
I don't even look at the OP pictures anymore, so no, you're not the only one.

>>53672793
>it's undeniable that most of it is done on 4chan
yeah
no its not
its all over twitter too and when I had a tumblr a year or two ago it was all over there too

>>53672123
>falseflagging
>my side is flawless and blameless and everything that makes us look bad must be a plot by (((them)))
You're sounding a bit like a drow there, buddy

>>53672793
Collecting rare Pepes was a huge thing on Tumblr
I still send Pepe pictures to my tumblrina sister as a joke sometimes

>>53672844
Can confirm, pepe was and still is big hit with my normie tumblr user friends, luckily they didn't drink the lefty koolaid fully

The Trove seems to be missing some UAs

>>53672820
>a year or two ago
It stopped being fashionable on tumblr because of the election and now on some circles automatically flags you as a trump supporter or at least a 4chan user. Same thing with reddit, no idea about twitter

>>53672943
The guy who regularly updated it stopped because he added tokens from Roll20 and some fags reported him for it.

Is a fighter/warlock MC a good idea for a Frontline damage dealer? I'm thinking 6 fighter for extra attack and the asi, then the rest warlock. Maybe battle master and pact of the blade. Is this a bad idea or would it be pretty decent?

>>53673054
You wouldn't download a car.

>>53673073
Just play a pally if you want to do gish stuff with an emphasis on martial to melee.

>>53673096
Depends on the car

>>53673096
Fuck off roll20 faggot.

>>53673054
That sucks, I was hoping to compile all the UAs into a single PDF because opening and looking through 20 or whatever files is a pain.

>>53673054
To be honest, warlock wouldn't add a lot to this combo. In the long run you'd add more damage by continuing with fighter than by adding warlock, and even in the short run you're reducing your hp somewhat with no particular combat benefit.
If you want to MC fighter/warlock, pick a familiar or a tome for that sweet, sweet utility.

>>53673096
Well the UA are freely available online.

>>53673096
I absolutely would! I'd do it right now!

>>53673096
You ever think 3D printing was invented just so some smartass could say "haha actually I did"?

>>53673120
If you ever do, please post it in every thread for 3 days to make sure I get my hands on it.

>>53673096
you don't know me

>>53673073
Cut back the fighter levels. Blade and a melee class are pretty much mutually exclusive unless you're going for an incredibly expensive and roundabout way of getting a magic weapon. Blade warlocks already have an invocation that gives them an extra attack

>>53673137
As a mechanic who likes restoring old cars 3D printing excites me, so long as the parts can be strong enough to be used.

>>53673097
That was my plan originally but we already have a pally
>>53673121
Utility would be nice, I was just trying to think up an EK style character with warlock stuff instead of wizard.

>>53673137
It'd certainly be more productive than all the screeching about the OP pic or Spike Growth

>>53673171
What Oath is he? That and it could be interesting to see the different approaches paladins take based on their oaths.

>>53673073

>>53673097
>>53673121
ignore these fags, the combo might not be super effective but it's actually pretty okay. you don't need that many fighter levels though since warlocks get a multiattack invocation, but if you really want that level 6 ASI, consider going eldritch knight and going 7 levels. you get more spell slots, access to shield/absorb elements, and can GFB+extra attack. if your DM is letting you multiclass with UA (dear god no) the combo gets a substantially stronger with improved pact weapon and the smite abilities warlock gets.

>>53670335
>WE WUZ KNIGHTS AND SHEEEIIIIIT
Why are we trying to outfag /pfg/?

>>53673171
Warlock/paladin has more synergy if that's what you're going for

Related, how would you stat King Arthur? All paladin, all fighter or Archfey/Hexblade Bladelock?

>>53673209
If you go fighter to 7 there is no real point in going warlock beyond that, you don't get their main gish features until level 3, 5 and 12. Extra attack invocation is wasted at that point and you are better spent just going EK up until the end for casting as a bonus.

>>53673156
So would you say only 2 fighter then? Does it cost anything to use the invocation?

>>53673256
Pally that got a +3 sword

>>53673265
No, it's just a permanent extra attack as long as you use the pact blade. It's Thirsting Blade. Another invocation a bladelock should probably take is Lifedrinker for +cha damage

>>53673073
Why not Pala/Lock? They share most of your requirements with added Charisma synergy ontop

>>53670335
"Who dares disturb the dead?"
>casts polymorph on knight who defiles his tomb
>knight "AWWWWWWSHEEEIIIIT"

>>53673231
Theres like 1 dude trying to and its fucking awful

>>53673384
Meh, not the worst I've seen in these threads

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>>53673256
Which king Arthur? The girl who cried herself to sleep in garden of avalon or the INVINCIBLE saver of the world who kill alien battleships?

>>53673428
>Post yfw you realize op is an Oath of Conquest paladin and that's why he's on this personal crusade.

>>53673073
Fighter 1 / Dragon Sorcerer.
Haste > GFB > Quicken GFB > Haste Attack

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>>53673256
>>53673449
Or are we talking the one from seven deadly sins?

Just a reminder that you need to answer to survey if you want an improvement on bladelock.

Otherwise, Eldritch Smite will get nerf due to Redditor crying.

>>53673171
Why not just play EK then? 2nd tankiest class in the game, decent DPS with sword-and-board.

>>53673203
2 paladins with different oaths in the same party, or even the same oath and different alignment, could be pretty interesting from an RP perspective.

>>53673231
>>53673428
99% of people don't even care about the OP pic. It has no relevance to the thread. You can stop choosing to care about it at any time.

Tg, I need help. I've been hyping Strahd as a smart, vindictive and especially dirty fighter.

Their first encounter is coming up, and truth is I'm not that a great combat improvisor, and need help coming up with dirty tactics,that can really maximize that unexpected Tucker's "Oh Shit" factor on what has been a really sturdy party.

I've started with giving him the Shatterspike sword, and got something planned for the Cleric, but what else is decent other than fireballing the party from the sky?

>>53673526
Chandeliers

>>53673518
I filled the word count twice, both warlock sections and the Chevalier section were blasted for how shit they are. Hexblade in Xan's book better be fucking amazing.

>>53673256
Fighter with a cool sword.

>>53673288
Why pally? I don't recall AP having any holy powers.
Remember: most knights are fighters and always have been.

>>53673522
I definitely think it would be interesting because it could cause disagreements due to the nature of their oaths. It would definitely give a easier to see idea of how the oaths affect a character.

>>53673540
You know what, the encounter isn't even going to be indoors, but I like it. Chandeleer from the sky.

What do you think about ancestral Barbarian with ritual caster for an exorcist samurai ?

I will get some utility out of combat since we don't have a wizard in our party and I can fluff familiar as another guardian spirit too.

>>53673565
Because he followed a code and he and his order was empowered through that code.

>>53673565
In this edition paladins don't get their power from gods. To me it's using magic but in a different way, instead of studying or making a pact with something you are literally imposing your will on the magic in and around you. It fits the theme of their Cha being a main stat and helps to explain their ability to cast, at least in my mind.

>>53673459
>tfw he keeps making his death saving throws
Why did 5e have to make it so hard for PCs to die

>>53673589
Sounds fucking awesome, actually.

>>53673613
>followed a code
So do the US Marines, doesn't make them paladins.
>order was empowered
In what way?

>>53673630
Sure, but Arthur didn't have any powers as far as I can tell, and neither did most other knights of the round table. By and large, they were fighters, some rangers, a couple barbarians, and maybe a paladin or two but even that's debatable.

>>53673669
Well if we're talking real world than he could easily be a fighter or a pally depending on how you view them.

>>53670335
>"When you prasin the lord so hard a Witch Kang come in and holler at you."
The fuck is actually going on in that image.

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>>53670335
is the Shepard druid any good?

>>53673663
No clue my man, best guess I got is they wanted to appeal to people who are used to videogames where it's hard to die unless you crank the difficulty up and even then if you're decent it's not a huge issue.

>>53673203
I think he's planning on going vengeance or devotion

>>53673669
Comparing the code of chivalry to the usual discipline you could expect from a soldier is missing the point. King Arthur and several of his knights can easily be said to be living ideals of chivalry, not to mention the whole "rightwise king born of all England/king once and king to be" thing,

>>53673256
How do you divide the levels for warlock/pally? Does oath and pact matter?

>>53673751
Ideals of chivalry have fuckall to do with being a paladin. Paladins are those who believe in a code so thoroughly that their faith magically empowers them. Arthur may have held on to a code, but there's little evidence it gave him any powers. He was no different from a samurai following the code of Bushido.
TL;DR: Knights aren't automatically paladins.

>>53673716
>>53673663
Dead is not fun, it's pretty bad for the whole table too. All the time, energy and effort for both DM and players is wasted when a character die.

5e emphasis on fun.

>>53673733
Well if he goes vengeance an easy "opposite" to that is devotion. Although I'm pretty partial to Ancients for the fluff and the aura against magic and could be used to show a more care free person who still is a paladin but has a different approach on how to make the world better. This is of course if you're only using stuff in the books, I don't have a huge amount of experience with UA oaths.

Everyone wants to play a vengeance pally then think it gives them free reign. It doesn't

>>53673780
Arthur was only surpassed in martial skill by other knights of the round table, like Lancelot, Galahad (who are father and son, and whose whole shtick is being perfect knights, with Lancelot's small flaw of sleeping with the Queen), Percival and Gawain. To everyone else he may as well have been invincible. He definitely wasn't just a normal person, but whether his skill was "normal" by D&D standards is more up to debate. He was probably mid-level regardless of anything else

>>53673756
Warlock multiclasses are almost always 2/3 levels because of how front loaded they are. You wouldn't need Blade so your preference of Chain or Tome

>>53673832
I can see that logic, however when done correctly a PC death can be a huge either turning point or growth point for the other PCs. Yes it sucks but it makes it a little more annoying to balance challenging fights for the party when the system is set to keep them alive as much as possible.

>>53673855
In the event that I end up playing the vengeance pally ( if he goes devotion/ancients or something) how do I play it "correctly"?

>>53673906
>Yes it sucks to die

I should have said.

>>53673902
That makes sense, I'm guessing you want to start as a pally then take your warlock levels?

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>>53670481
Stop making archetypes.

>>53673942
Yup, most likely

>>53672943
Not that big if a deal considering you can download them for free from the WotC site.
>>53673096
Fuck you, yes I would.

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Could someone please give a clarification on an issue my group and I faced last night?
In short:
>Sneaking in to thieves hideout
>My rogue turns invisible before any sort of encounter
>Sneak up behind two lookouts guarding a door
>Other group members are just waiting around the corner, out of sight
>Tell DM I slash at the one guard with my short-sword
>DM tells us to roll for initiative
>Bard in our group gets highest roll with my Rouge going 2nd

So does my surprise attack take place first and then we go into the normal initiative order or does my attack somehow not take place until after the Bard's turn?

>>53673984
Awesome, thanks amigo. Does it matter what kinda weapon I use? Should I invest in war caster?

>>53673873
Since paladins aren't better at nonmagical combat than fighters, all you're saying is that he was a mid-to-high-level fighter.
My point stands. Arthur was not a paladin.

>>53673970
Different anon, but don't archetypes actually serve to reduce the need for multiclassing?

>>53674015
Your surprise round should have occurred first

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>>53671169
>posts 2/3 good points being combat
>last point anyone can do by saying "I'm a detective!"
>>hurr combat

>>53673711
>The Lich stirs in its tombs!
>I use my disguise kit and disguise myself as one of its Drow servants!
>great roll for deception
>plus 1 that a....3. How do I look?
>well...you're black, you got that part right...

>>53674015
Bard goes before the rogue does, but with all reason, the group is 'waiting' so there's no stimulus for him to go without waiting for your attack. Knowing initiative in this context would be metagaming.
The rogue goes, and then the enemies go, but with all reason, the DM would rule the enemies to be surprised, and lose their turn.

Initiative for the purpose of sneaky ambushes is metaknowledge.

>>53670541
Kitchen sink + well defined borders between the various sections is good.

>>53674015

You should get your sneak attack round before turn order, then once you take the surprise round you go into turn order.

>>53673585
They'll never see it coming. It might just be crazy enough to work.

>>53674040
>>53674015
surprise round doesn't exist in 5e. However, the bard should be surprise too, since he didn't knew that the rogue is going to attack.

>>53673715
Yes.

>>53674020
Besides the warlock levels you'd be a pretty normal paladin, so in weapon choice etc. you can do it as you would any other melee class

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>>53673916
Actually follow the oath is the biggest thing, read it and make sure you understand what it allows and doesn't.

My major sticking point is if people use vengeance paladin and attempt to explain any action they take as within their oath.

>-Fight the Greater Evil. Faced with a choice of fighting my sworn foes or combating a lesser evil.

>-I choose the greater evil.
Pretty straight forward always hunt the greater evil, if it would endanger hunting the greater ignore the lesser.

-No Mercy for the Wicked. Ordinary foes might win my mercy, but my sworn enemies do not.
You are still bound to show Mercy if asked from lesser evils, but a sworn enemy will receive none.

-By Any Means Necessary. My qualms can’t get in the way of exterminating my foes.
Smite all the evil, pic related

-Restitution. If my foes wreak ruin on the world, it is because I failed to stop them. I must help those harmed by their misdeeds.

You're obligated to help those who have been affected by the evil you hunt.

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How terrible is this for a Bard subclass? I was thinking of putting this up to my DM for a character concept I was thinking of playing. Thoughts?

I really like the satire bard, wish it will be included in XGE, but I know it will not happen

>>53670335
>tfw wanna play 5e
>none of my friends have ever played any sort of DnD before
>I haven't either but I'm more into p&p and stuff than them
>Try to DM a session
>it's boring
>I just read from the book
>they have no imagination in their gameplay
>they die repeatedly to the very first goblins they fight in the story
>never want to play again
>now I have nobody to play D&D 5e with

what do

>>53674131
Well in this case my Rogue explained my plan before heading around the corner, does that effect anything?

>>53674292
Roll20 game with us or local adventure league.

>>53674292
Find an online group and hope you get lucky.

Gonnna make a Red Mage tonight, should I go with Valor Bard or Bladesinger?

>>53674351
Mystic.

>>53674329
>roll20 game with us
Are there any that would tolerate an absolute shitter newb who knows nothing joining up though?

So I'm playing my first game right now and I'm looking at feats. How incredible of a combination is Sentinel+Tunnel Fighter+Blade Mastery+Shield Master?

Seems like I could be a pretty effective controller, especially in combination with my Battlemaster maneuvers

>>53674320
He still don't know the precise moment that you will attack the enemy right?

So either he choose to wait until you attack (represent by ready action) or he is as surprise as the enemies.

I prefer the former though. Combat is just a shift in time scale.

>>53674226
>Rejuvenating inspiration
Pretty dope! getting a free inspiration die, when inspirations die's are already really good.
>secrets of the faithful
getting one extra spell from cleric or paladin is pretty good, You probably only want to take one or two from those classes anyways as a heal or something similar. Most bard spells handle utility and damage well enough.
>Mastery of gospel
not that great, descent at early levels but will mostly fall very short in later levels for the health parts. Usually the bardic die won't matter for giving advantage though. As the bardic die is basically like giving advantage to something. Its mostly just more of a guaranteed thing.

overall not too bad for a support-type bard imo.

>>53671617
>Or, for a swashbuckler, being the only one within 5 feet of the enemy also works.
Other way around. You're the one who can't have anyone next to you other than the target, otherwise Rakish Audacity doesn't care who is next to the enemy.

>>53674369
Just read the PHB and you will be fine in just about any group, in fact you will be better off than 75% of the players I've met.

>>53673916

I once played a vengeance pally in a one-shot break from our regular campaign, like I was a mix of All-Star/Christian Bale Batman.

Growled at everything, I AM VENGEANCE, treated every butler I met like an adopted father, played up for maximum cheese.

Don't do it in your campaign. Or do it, whatever.

>>53674351
Let's look at red mage signature ability.
- They can cast both heal and harm spell
- They can cast spell faster or even cast multiple spell at once.
- They can equip most weapon and armor

Fighter 1 / Favored Soul Sorcerer X for quicken spell and access to both cleric and sorcerer list.

>MFW WotC renamed the Undying Light "Celestial" so I can no longer shill my homebrew under that name

tekken 7 story mode keeps loading after the chapter 1 shitty narrator part. Is this a known issue? do we have a fix? pc player here.

>>53674472
Wrong thread?

>>53674472
wrong board anon?

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Would my game become horribly out of balance if a character used a wish from a Genie to ask for a second sub-class? My rogue wants to have the assassin sub-class in addition to his arcane trickster. Should I allow this or try to fuck him over in some way?

>>53674472
Stop posing in /5eg/ about this should get you some help

>>53674495
Corrupt a wish? He get assassinate feature but enemies will always win at initiative.

>>53674479
>>53674489
>>53674509
yeah I wanted to post this in the /tekgen/, sorry

>>53674495
Just replace some of his levels with wizard, you get both

So I'm a little confused with warlock and the mystic arcanum stuff.

Let's say I'm a level 20 warlock. Does this mean I can cast a mystic arcanum 4 times? One at 6th level, 7th, 8th, and 8th? Or does this mean that I only have 1 cast of my mystic arcanum period?

>>53674472
It might be launch options, I'm not sure if it's on steam but if it is use verify game cache because if you're mission a file it might just skip that.

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What does /tg/ think of a 20 STR arcane trickster? Double prof on Athletics for shove with advantage from a familiar's help action. At lvl 8, I can also add Haste in the mix, allowing me to

Main action - Shove prone
Hasted action - Attack
Bonus action - Hide.

Just throwing an idea around, pls no bully, but I would like advice on what you want from your typical Arcane Trickster cause I am planning on playing one in the future.

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>He isn't playing a mystic

>>53674457
Didnt think about that one
Which of the versions of favored soul are best?

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>>53674555
What's under that pillow, Anon?

What are you hiding?

>>53674555
>not gettin him a belt of hill giant strength so you can have regular stats elsewhere

>>53674556
Fuck off Mearls, you're a cancer.

>>53674548
It's one cast for each level of Arcanum.
Otherwise the description wouldn't specify when "all uses" recharge a second time.

>>53674603
I thought so, just making sure. Thank you, Anon.

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>>53674587
But the mystic is fun! It just needs to be playtested some more, along with the artificer.

>>53674623
Yes, it does, and you're right. My players are very excited for the mystic and it's release.

And you are a cancer doing nothing but damage to this game.

>>53674409
Thanks for the feedback. I'll get to revising the last ability later before I show it to my DM.

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>>53674572
What's it to ya?
>>53674582
So aside from the investment I put to STR, it's not completely retarded right?

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>>53674623
Ganbatte, Merals-san!

Do your best! You can do it if you try!

>>53674415
Alrighty, now how do I go about joining a group on roll20?

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>>53674634
I'm just doing what the community asks for. Why is that so bad?

>Eldritch Master
>At 20th level, you can draw on your inner reserve of mystical power while entreating your patron to regain expended spell slots. You can spend 1 minute entreating your patron for aid to regain all your expended spell slots from your Pact Magic feature. Once you regain spell slots with this feature, you must finish a long rest before you can do so again.

What would you replace this level 20 capstone with?

>>53674704
>I'm just doing what the Reddit community asks for

Ftfy

>>53674674
Rub powerful magnets all over your computer and find people to interact with in person.

Unless you live in Barrow Alaska the only reason to be on Roll20 is chronic fat greasy faggot syndrome.

What's the better MC option for paladin, 3 levels of warlock or 3 levels of sorc?

>>53674369
I actually prefer completely new players since I know that they haven't picked up any shitty habits from other games they may have played.

>>53674895
Warlock for short rest spell slots. 2 level dip for invocations, maybe 3 levels for improved familiar or book of shadows.

>>53674888
Give them unlimited spell-slots, cause who fucking cares at that level, nobody gets there. Eldritch master should come at level 10 or something instead.

I'm having trouble with a quest.
What possible motivation would an old veteran have to awaken a forgotten evil entity beneath a small town to kill everybody?
I wanted it to be something that makes him look sympathetic, even just a little, but I can't think of anything that works.
Trying to use the power of the evil entity to resurrect his loved one would be a classic one but killing a whole town to accomplish that goes a bit too far. The party's paladin would behead him faster than you can say "guilty".
If the townspeople were somehow responsible for the death of his loved one then it would make him seem a bit more sane, but I'm drawing a blank here too.
Even if I went with the "town is guilty, he's getting revenge" path then it would be far too obviously the culprit when the party begins to investigate, it'd need to be something that nobody in the town thinks that he would go that far to get revenge for.

>>53674895
Multiclassing is a sin. Repent and seek forgiveness, heathen.

Sorcerer. Warlock dips are overdone.

>>53674674
Look through the LFG section, find something that you'd want to join, post a non-shitty application, hope you get invited, for the first session show up early or at least on time.

I'm doing some race design for a homebrew setting. Anybody got the point-value guidelines?

I am totally retarded when it comes to understanding CR in 5E, is a Rakasha too much for a level 6 party of five to handle?

>>53674674
You go on www.reddit.com/r/lfg, find a group there, and then arrange to meet on roll20.

>>53674894
There isn't even a tabletop community in many countries outside of America and certain parts of europe, Roll20 is more useful than you think

>>53674964
>Trusting CR

Even the devs say they don't use CR

>>53674933
> A sin
Why?
>Sorcerer
Quickened spell and twinned spell?

>>53674932
The townsfolk are guilty and run a cult to an evil entity, absolutely corrupt, no way it'd come to light with everyone covering it up, and perform evil shit freely with travellers turned away or them simply being oblivious.
The veteran uncovers this mystery after being wronged by them, but is unable to fix it. An entity promises to fix the problem if he just lets him out of his prison. He keeps his promise.

>>53674906
Well do you feel like a game now or helping me get started or something?
>>53674973
>reddit

>>53674964
>>53675011
CR in 5e is a holdover from 3.pf. The relatively light and ad-hoc monster design constraints mean it's at best a wild guess.
We're back to the days of 2e where the DM needed to:
1. Know the game well enough to have a good feel for monster difficulty,
2. Guess what works for his party, and
3. Often adjust partway through combat when it inevitably turned out he was wrong.

>>53675057
>>reddit
Bite me

>>53674634
Damage? The mystic may have a lot of options, but it's not very damaging

>>53674964
CR is definitely the worst part of 5E, it's completely broken and is the one of the few things I think needs a complete and total overhaul.

Rakasha should be fine, they don't really do anything and you should be playing one so that it's just laughing at the party as they fail to do nothing and just fucking with them without outright killing them. That is, until they become an actual threat later in the game.

>>53674933
Also, which origin should I take?

>>53674933
Everything I've ever done, everything I ever do, every place I've ever been, everywhere I'm going to, it's a sin

>>53675057
>The only permissible online community for autistic hobbies is MY online community for autistic hobbies

>>53674663
Sauce?

>>53675108
It's not that, reddit just likes to screencap shit or talk about shit and if I'm terribad I don't want like some redditor posting stories about me if I'm awful at the game or something

>>53675137
Screencapping is definitely a 4chan thing too. There are entire threads devoted to posting screencaps.
At the end of the day, you go to each community for what it's good at and ignore what you don't like.

>>53675137
>anonymous community
>doesn't want some people laughing at him

>>53675006
>I don't have friends, family, neighbors, coworkers, or acquaintances

Fucking build one. Did you never listened to punk rock? DIY

>>53675080
CR is one of the biggest issues when it comes to summon spells. Not all CR 1/4 monsters were created equal. The UA summons are a reflection of this having exact numbers, and summon choices instead of leaving it to you.

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>>53675171

>>53675188
None that even know what D&D beyond the vaguest notions about fantasy RPGs and maybe having heard the name once or twice years ago, no. Add the rules not being published in your language in a country where even being bilingual is rare. It's just far less effort joining a group in roll20

>>53671898
Are you literally a skeleton?

>>53675274
Ignore that anon. Online is often the best solution.
>Being binlingual is rare
Mind if I ask where that is? Because in my experience most of the somewhat-developed world speaks at least some English.

>>53675342
Ass end of latin america so highly debatable if somewhat-developed applies

>>53675337
You guys know that some people are female, right? And that female people are shorter and lighter on average than male people?

>>53675386
That is fair.

How do you describe fighting an invisible creature, from the GM point of view?

>>53675439

In which situation? Being attack or trying to attack?

>>53675439
whenever their attacks miss just don't tell the party anything unless one of them is perceptive enough to notice the traces of the enemy (sound, footprints, etc).

if it hits, tell them they feel where the attack hit but don't see where it came from. pretty simple

>>53675439
>Just in time, you hear soft footsteps behind you. Ducking and raising your shield, you barely deflect a powerful blow.
>Thrusting blindly at the presumed source of the attack, you manage to land a glancing blow. Blood droplets splash on the ground, expelled from an unseen wound.
>You raise your shield once more, but you miscalculated; the next blow comes from your side, and slices your right arm from shoulder to elbow.
>Bolts of fire conjured forth by your buddy streak on your right, and explode against an unseen obstacle. Then, with a spray of blood and guts, the assassin reappears as he collapses to the ground.

>>53675652
Trying to attack one

>>53674952
Pls help
I'm putting together a sci-fi-esque system with high racial variety and want to provide customization option inside each racial group (humanoids, goblinoids, fey, etc.)

>>53675665

In that case it depends on the situation of the attacker. If the invisible foe didn't use its action to hide, the PC should know it's general direction where it last saw it. They can follow it roughly based on sounds like movement and if they choose to attack it, they are doing so at a disadvantage since they still don't know EXACTLY where the creature is.

If the creature tries to hide, if it rolls higher than your passive perception, you don't know where it is and you'd have to succeed on a perception check at a disadvantage. In other words, it'll be a lot easier for an AoE spell to hit an invisible enemy than one of your brawlers.

>>53675752
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ViqLSEN67mmd2Lo_OJ-H5YX0fccsfI97kFaqx7V1Dmw/pub

for general guidelines about how to build homebrew races. i remember seeing another system someone built similar to it but i dont remember which is better. if you're just wanting more customization options within races, maybe create a few templates that add little to the power level of the race but can be applied to just about all of them. basic stuff like damage resistances, skill bonuses, maybe very limited spell-like abilities.

>>53675866
Thanks anon
I'm purposely looking to make races varied and customizable to represent various alien species only loosely tied together by common ancestry, and to give players agency over what their weird alien is like.
Will post results later in case anybody is interested.

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>is it possible to have a CE character and not be that guy or have it be excessively edgy?

>>53675439
>From the treeline you can hear the rustling and shifting of foliage. You catch a flash of yellow eyes and fire frantically into the trees hoping to find the unseen attacker with your projectiles. Upon inspecting the carnage you only find a few drops of green blood. Your burly companion with political aspirations proclaims "If it bleeds, we can kill it."

>>53676032
No, not really. Aside from alignments being a meme, Chaotic evil is literally THE evil alignment. Neutral and Lawful are more possible, but Chaotic is like. Gnoll evil.

>>53676032
Playing one right now. He's selfish and kind of hates people and gives his loyalty to one person at a time, for whom he's willing to murder babies. Fortunately nobody in the party is asking him to do that. So he's basically just a scout who has no qualms about killing baddies.
He's not even particularly bloodthirsty, just places no value on the lives of people other than his friends, and hates to be tied down geographically.

>>53676032
You can still have friends as a chaotic evil guy, so it's possible to not be that guy. A chaotic evil guy is selfish and ruthless, but that doesn't mean he can't include immediate family and friends in his "selfish" desires, and be willing to do anything to protect his precious pawns/people.

>>53676124
But what if I call myself Chaotic Good, and explain raping and killing people as necessary evil so I can save the world?

>>53676147
>not being lawful good and trying to destroy all life to save the planet
are you even trying?

>>53676124
Why do you say alignments are a meme?

Campaign is ending in about 3 sessions, and the party just recently acquired this artifact. They don't know the crunch yet, but is it too much? They're meant to be using it against the BBEG.


Gauntlets of the Storm

*Wondrous Item, Artifact*

Requires attunement.

While wearing these gauntlets, the wielder feels the strength of a Storm Giant. The wielder's strength changes to 29.
Once per day, the wielder may throw a Lightning Strike at a target location within 100 feet. Any creature within 10 feet of the location must make a DC 17 Dexterity Saving Throw or take 12d8 Lightning damage. A successful save reduces the damage by half.

>>53676236
they're a topic brought up almost exclusively to shitpost. Like black people.

Black people are a meme in /5eg/, and I am shitposting.

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>>53676187
>not being Lawful Good, and sowing chaos and anarchy so the LAWs of NATURE can take over
It's such an easy alignment to play. How can people still mess this up?

>>53676032
it's doable but difficult, and your average DnD player lacks the grace to pull it off.

It typically falls into the chaotic stupid trap:
>Party goes to buy some armor, CE guy stabs the shopkeep. lulz i'm so evil and random lolololol

This happens because the player (and DM) forgets that his character is still a person inside the setting, and the setting will/should respond appropriately. Murdered the shopkeep? Well, now your team either has to bring you in to the authorities or risk being accomplices to the crime. Once in the hand of the authorities, you will likely be put to death swiftly. In most towns, the concept of a "fair trial" is that they hang you, and let the townsfolk spit on your corpse.

A true Chaotic Evil person will act selfishly and take pleasure in the suffering of others, sure. But they will know that, even though they want to, they can't act on every impulse without great risk to themselves, and they love themselves, they aren't going to risk their life and freedom for fleeting pleasure unless they are absolutely sure they can get away with it. Out in the wilderness? yeah expect them to do anything they think the party will let them get away with (or not find out about). But in civilization? You bet your ass they'll reel that shit in.

>>53676236
Different anon here: endless arguments over their meanings, especially from teenagers wanting to prove chaos was as legit as law (I was one of them), have diluted their integrity over the years to the point where it's almost better to just let them rest.

>>53676238
this really depends on the level of the players, and the typical CRs you plan to have them encounter.

>>53671300
bumping this question

>>53676269
>random
Any player that does stuff because "chaos is random" gets a serious talking-to.
But don't despair. I had a player new to the game on a CN character. First session was awful and I got complaints from everybody else. Sat down for a long talk with her and she's gotten better almost instantly and every session since.
Half a year later, she's greedy and impulsive (and a little cruel, actually; might be time to downgrade her to CE) but a fundamental member of the party involved in some of the best roleplaying.

>>53676285
They're a party of level 7s that are meant to be dealing with an entire cabal of Vampires across 3 sessions, which means at minimum 6 more CR13 fights.

I was thinking that the Gauntlets could be a one-time use thing but that wouldn't feel good for a player, would it?

>>53676312
They gotta be radioactive, anon.
Make players save or take the poisoned condition for as long as they're adjacent to one or something like that.

>>53676322
Good on you, anon. Typically, half the issues of a chaotic aligned player are due to DM's not reigning them back in.

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Finally figured it out, though the answer is meaningless. I feel pretty dumb for not noticing it before though. Oh well.

I'm taking my party through Rivergard Keep tonight. Any tips?

>>53676365
have the zombies emit a low (5-10ft) radius of light

>>53676259
>LAWs
The rules of nature are chaotic as fuck though. It boils down to one basic tenant, fittest survives, and 1 rule is not enough to be lawful or else Robin Hood would be LG even in his bandit days.
RULES OF NATURE

>>53676404
I try not to frown on somebody's actions without looking at their environmental enablers.
To all y'all DMs who have problems that keep coming up: you're the only common denominator in all of them.

>>53676453
>all y'all
Advice discarded.

>>53676322
So how does one play a chaotic character correctly? Specifically chaotic good?

>>53676550
>So how does one play a chaotic character correctly? Specifically chaotic good?
A chaotic good character would not let things like "Tradition" and "Authority" stop them from doing what is right. They wont seek to undermine GOOD laws/traditions but they find them to be a bit stifling or redundant.

>>53676469
>Attacking a point based on its word choice instead of its content
You sure showed me

>>53676606
That's certainly one way to do it. More generally,
>>53676550
You need to be truly altruistic and want to help people, but you also need to respect freedom and autonomy.
There are many ways to play this:
1. "I fight against evil, especially oppression."
2. "Dismantling overbearing institutions is good for people whether they realize it or not."
3. "I'll help anyone, unless they don't want me to; that's their choice."
4. "I'll help anyone, but they gotta carry their own weight; individual empowerment is more important than comfort."
Etc. etc.

>>53676606
Robin Hood during his outlaw days is CG. The Rebellion, especially Han after the destruction of the Death Star, are prime examples of CG. Typically CG is a transitory stage as a good force is more dedicated to opposing a dug in evil than establishing their own way. To play someone who would never change off that path is more practice. You don't care for law, tradition, or order. You won't go out of your way to oppose them unless they're evil but they do not factor into your thought process at all. CG is unique in that instead of the goal being chaos with the methods being good, the goal is good and the method is whatever you feel will bring the most good. You feel freedom is the path to happiness and that trying to stifle it and creativity are the path to oppression.

So I'm think about taking 3 levels of warlock with my paladin for the extra spell slots and cantrips, how does one thematically explain a paladin making a pact with something if I still want to be a good guy?

>>53676795
make a pact with something GOOD

>>53676795
If you're oath of the ancients, then archfey pact would fit just fine.

>>53676777
This type of CG is why rebels don't make good leaders once the rebellion is over. They have no respect for proper institutions because they believe they're inherently bad, and thus end up with shitty administrations.

>>53676824
>Implying archfey are good

>>53676804
>>53676824
Are there any good patrons officially?
I'm OoV

>>53676846
yes, Fey can be good, GOOs may not be good, but also sometimes share their power without them or their warlock knowing, then there is the Unearthed Arcana patrons

>>53676837
>Implying archfey can't be good.

>>53676846
Sure, but I don't know how you're going to get one to fit with your oath. I would imagine multi-classing into warlock is very much up to the DM.

>>53673449
S... source?

>>53676846
i don't think GOO is by default evil so it could work. hexblade is also neutral. if your setting has a good deity of death, undying warlock or raven queen could be a good fit. undying light has pure radiant energy as being your "patron"

>>53676837
Someone who isn't going to switch off CG once the rebellion is over is someone that would never make the attempt to run the government in the first place, he'd leave it to one of his or her NG/LG friends. If they got forced in they would go as hands-off as possible. You either change alignments due to changing situation or you find a new task for you and your talents.

>>53676890
>Sure, but I don't know how you're going to get one to fit with your oath.
>Your patron is a powerful being of the Upper Planes. You have bound yourself to an ancient empyrean, solar, ki-rin, or unicorn or to another entity that resides in the planes of everlasting bliss. Your pact with that being allows you to experience the barest touch of the holy light that illuminates the multiverse. Being connected to such power can cause
changes in your behavior and beliefs. You might find yourself driven to annihilate the undead, to defeat fiends, and to protect the innocent. At times, your heart might also be filled with a longing for the celestial realm of your patron, a desire to wander that paradise for the rest of your days. But you know that your mission is among mortals for now and that your pact binds you to bring light to the dark places of the world.

Literally the newest UA

>>53676932
Neat. Didn't know that was out.

>>53673526
>finally corner Strahd
>know we are a few levels below the intended level, GM told us.
>Try anyway
>Gets rekted hard during the fight, he keeps calling in help and using the house to his benefit
>Fuckfuckfuck
>Barbarogue challenges him to an unarmed duel as a last stand.
>Proceeds to suplex Strahd into a table
>actually does well
>Suddenly Strahd knocks him prone
>Makes a dive charge from a nearby window
>knocks him out.
>Calls in ghosts to cheer for him, as he slowly leaves the room, saluting the spectators
>We manage our death saves and survive the encounter
You better so him justice anon, my GM has easily made Strahd my favourite character so far.

I legitimately dont want to kill him anymore.

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>>53676846
They literally made the new UA for you. If by officially you mean one of 3 options in the book, then you should already have your answer about what you can and can not have.

>>53676890
Archfey aren't human enough to be "good." They have an entirely different spectrum of ideals and moral concepts that generally doesn't agree with what humans perceive as "good."
So a good warlock can deal with fey, but a paladin is more questionable, because they're supposed to follow their codes pretty damn closely, and dealing with these alien creatures can throw wrenches in that.

>>53676922
You can't really just "change alignments" like that. They're usually an inherent part of your worldview.
But I agree with your conclusion. A freedom fighter shouldn't try to transition to rulership. They should go freedom fight somewhere else, Che-Guevara-style (the ideal of Che Guevara, not the actual historical shithead).

>>53677008
>Archfey aren't human enough to be "good."
Bullshit.

>>53677008
>You can't really just "change alignments" like that. They're usually an inherent part of your worldview.
Robin Hood changed from CG to LG simply because Richard came home and knighted him. His good intentions went, over the course of a day, from opposing the law when it was cruel and unjust to supporting it when it was righteous and pure. While normally it is a major event to make the CN Han turn CG that requires them changing the way that they think and whole heaps of effort you do occasionally get the guy who was already straddling the line so well before that a small change in circumstance just makes what everybody thought previously official.
Also, whether something is 'human' enough to be the alignment we suppose them to be doesn't really matter. Cthulhu has his own way of thinking and may not even recognize us but that doesn't make him not CE from our perspective for preaching his madness.

What do you guys think of weight rules/encumbrance?

Personally, I've never liked weight as a standard of how much you can carry, I prefer either simple slots or even turning inventory management into a minigame like in RE4.

>>53677058
Not an argument.
Fiends are evil personified. Celestials are good personified. But fey come from the positive energy plane (->feywild), and have a fairly tenuous connection to the alignment system as a general rule.

>>53677114
That's not how it works. If Robin Hood was always for proper and righteous institutions, then he was never Chaotic Good to begin with. You can be Lawful Good and fight against a corrupt government (it's in the alignment description).
If he was really Chaotic Good, he's assume a very hands-off attitude once in power.

>>53676920
Hexblade is making a pact with a sentient weapon right? Are there good sentient weapons?

What are some pros and cons of drinking the ichor of maglubiyet? A flask of it being like an epic item or some shit

>>53677008
>because they're supposed to follow their codes pretty damn closely
so you swear allegiance to an Arch Fey that (appears to) falls into similar codes

>>53677114
>Robin Hood changed from CG to LG simply because Richard came home and knighted him. His good intentions went, over the course of a day, from opposing the law when it was cruel and unjust to supporting it when it was righteous and pure.
Then his code didn't change at all. CG characters DO NOT oppose GOOD laws.

>>53676920
>i don't think GOO is by default evil
Definitely not. Easily the most malleable ones, in fact. I love GOO from a GM perspective, as either the player can make a really creative cosmic horror, or I can do it if he doesn't want to.

And the shit you can do with such a patron is amazing.

Of course, you could say your patron is one of the actual evil old gods, but that's like saying a cleric is by default evil because evil gods exists.

>party is staying in a small village
>maybe 30 people tops
>investigating strange occurrences
>Suddenly screams from outside
>the two designated guards are running in sheer terror, and the village goes quiet as they flee the town.
>A mindflayer walks up to the home the characters are sleeping in.
>The mother is cradling her kid, trying to hold om to her sanity
>The mindflayer drops a small chunk of stone
>greets the Warlock in a voice that makes everybody else take a wisdom test against insanity
>leaves, not doing any harm
>The following morning, after a cold bucket of water to his face, the wizard learns that the rock is a unique type a nearby cave
>The mindflayer was sent to help us, because we had hit a dead end.

>>53677137
Their intentions are inscrutable. You could easily be a temporary force for good with the blessing of an archfey even though their long-term plan was simply a revenge plot against a rival.

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>>53677179
>Transcending history and the world, a tale of souls and swords, eternally retold

>>53677179
Out of the Abyss has a lawful good sentient weapon in it.

>>53677189
And when the archfey inevitably turns out to have some grander scheme that does not jive with your code? Because with archfey, that's always a possibility.

>>53677198
That's fair. You just gotta tread carefully, because a pact is a two-way street.