Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

This Thread for Perturabo!

>>53666550

I recognize a Stompa doesn't come with a base, BTW, id build my own

How many raptors is too many raptors? With my new backpacks, I have the potential for 30 raptors...

Does anyone know if Deathwatch will at least be decent in 8th? I haven't seen any info on them.

>>53666644
Too many raptors is reached the moment you kitbash your first Lias Issodon model

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>>53666606

>>53666645
Confirmed trash tier, go out and buy nids.

>>53666649

Wrong raptors. I mean chaos raptors

Remove ynnari
you're worst aledari

>>53666645
There is basically zero reason to take them. Also their base unit is worded extremely oddly and theres little reason to gimp a unit by taking normal marines and terminators in the same unit.

When the Ork tellyport blasta blasta says to "roll a D6 at the end of the phase. If the result is greater than that model's Wounds characteristic, it is slain" does that mean that I roll against their wounds profile on the dataslate or their current wounds remaining. If there is a W5 character who is down to 3 wounds, do I need to roll a 4+ to slay it or a 6+?

>>53666708
I'm pretty sure characteristic means you look at their profile, so a 6+ in that example

>>53666720
Ok, thank you.

>>53666706
Awesome, just what I wanted to hear after painstakingly kitbashing two termies to go with my Frag Cannon squad...

So a unit can disembark when the vehicle is within 1 inch of enemy models right?

Why do scouts have a higher PL than tactical marines

>>53666671
They are top tier.

>>53666668
It's still a good idea to cover your raptors in static-grass and brag about it on /tg/. Don't forget to get a leviathan from china and put yet more static grass on it for maximum shitposting purposes.

The mobile fortress rule of the battle wagon doesn't apply to the passengers, or does it?

>>53666689
your autism didn't bear a sane fruit

pauldrons and heads are supposed to have the same size

>>53666734
It's a pretty cool weapon, but the units just lack much 'specialness'. Doubt you'll do awful, but you could optimize alot more.

Ok so I'm going to use 8E as my excuse to finally break into playing 40k. I'm interested in starting with Slaanesh Chaos Marines. What all should I pick up first to start bringing the noise? My buddy is going to go with Tyranids and probably just shooting for smaller point games to learn the basics

Tau support systems look potentially devilish.

Deepstriking opponent?
EWO. If they DS within 12'' your suit can fire all guns at it immediately, normal BS, without giving up a shooting phase. They survive to charge, well time for overwatch.
If they DS over 12'' they ain't charging or firing meltas

Lotta Fly keyword going about?
VT. Straight up +1 BS no caveats or limitations.

General situation?
ATS. All the guns, now with better AP

>>53666777
Tell that to the different artists.

>>53666780
I had a squad of fiver Vets with shotguns and two Frag Cannons accompanied by two Terminators with assault cannons and auxiliary meltaguns in a Furor Kill Team for 7th, it made sense them, but I guess it won't work now

>>53666761
Yes, but none of the disembarking models can be within 1" of enemy units and all models which fail to be placed when the unit disembarks are considered slain.

>>53666789
Good for the bigger suits, but crisis are probably better off just taking 3 guns.

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Put a Death Korps Vanquisher together, super impressed by the model. Looks mean compared to my regular Russes, it'll make a nice command tank.

>>53666689
>scions head is barely at a chads stomach

>>53666637

It would look a bit awkward if you handled it the wrong way.

A Riptide is about 1/4th the size of a Stompa. You'd have to have the torso pretty much crushed into pieces or else your Stompa would look like it's tipping backwards, not stepping on it.

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Posted the beginning of this in /wip/, but what do you guys think of my weirdboy?

>>53666644
Chris Pratt seemed to have a little trouble handling 4 of them in Jurassic World, although he managed. I'd suggest sticking to three.

>>53666816

The best SS loadouts will be a hot topic I imagine.
Though with 3 slots you can deck out

>>53666867
I love it! What did you use for bits? Especially the eye thing.

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Plastic aspect warriors when?

>>53666764
Because if you buy them all sniper rifles and camo cloaks they're 18 points each to the 13 of the tacticals, and both still have some pricey options they can take on top of that

The funniest thing I find about conscript autism is that you literally cannot bring non hover fliers against them

>>53666874
For a second my brain omitted the 'a' in that sentence and tried to parse the meaning of mall goth tau.

>>53666881
Not that guy but that's the Iron sight bit from Ork boyz kit.

>>53666792
I told them

they told me you have to resize the heads

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What chaos god would Rakdos, the Defiler (or a daemon prince/chaos lord inspired thereby) serve in 40k? The Cult of Rakdos seems to mesh Slaanesh's hedonism-and-revels and Khorne's BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD together pretty seamlessly, but in 40k that's weird for some reason.

>>53666921
Ah, neat. I've always appreciated orks from afar, maybe now someone soon I'll finally take the plunge since they share a book with my tyranids.

>>53666940
Rakdos is more about putting on a show than actual killing, so Slaanesh

>>53666881
I'll try my best:

Body is a Savage Orruk
Head is the Ardboyz Boss
Skull necklace is from the Orruk Megaboss
Staff is from Savage Orruks
Skull on the staff is likely from the Orruk Brutes
Various shoulderpads probably from Ork Boyz or Nobz box
Skulls dangling off belt are from the Ardboyz box
Snakebite logo I have absolutely no idea

The eye bit is from either the Ork Boy box.

>>53666867
I often forget to appreciate the fact that orks literally just bolt metal plates into their fucking skin to wear them as armour instead of bothering with straps and shit.

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>>53666867
i feel like he needs some crazy hair to be complete

>>53666896
doubtful it will ever happen, here's a good conversion for your troubles

What's a good way to make a Chaos Lord with a jumpack? I know you can use the Warp Talons/Raptor kit but I really would like him to stand out.

>>53666989
>doubtful it will ever happen

But they HAVE to eventually... right?

>>53666967
Leather straps are a luxury the plebboys can't afford.

>>53667000
not really, aspects aren't a focal point for eldar but it'll happen before plastic sisters

>>53666990
You could give him a taller scenic base and more eye-grabbing paint scheme to draw attention.

>>53666896

Why not spend that hard earned money on one of our Repulsor (TM) Grav (TM) Primaris (TM) Tanks. Everyone should have some Primaris (TM) Marines!

>>53666774
>A Battlewagon ignores the penalty for moving and firing heavy weapons

Are the passengers a Battlewagon?

>>53667000
Next time they get a Codex update.

Wraithstuff will probably be moved to Ynnari and Asuryani will focus on Aspects.

>>53667025
I'm pretty sure open-topped vehicles specifically state in their rules that the passengers share any benefits of the thing shooting-wise

>>53666989

Fugg that's a handsome Fuegan. I've seen some decent Jain Zars made from Lelith Hesperax.

>>53667025
Duh.
But open-topped says the passengers adhere to the same modifiers as the BW. So I wasn't sure if that meant they would suffer the -1 for moving and firing heavy weapons or not.

>>53666911

The Chaos Tau are here and absolutely dreadfully dressed

>>53666990
Forgeworld stuff. There are a bunch of really distinctive heresy era jump packs.

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>>53665891
>>53665281
>>53665232
>>53665190
>>53665111
>>53665079
>>53665022
>>53664971
>>53664946
>>53664899

I got caught up reading the huge discussion last thread and so I did some math. This is (roughly) how many Conscripts it is physically (and reasonably) possible to get into range of a Knight if they just advanced towards each other. Not taking into account casualties in between, etc, you can get quite a lot in range, and they can get off quite a lot of shots.

The shooting math is easy from there.

>>53667060
>>53667039
>>53667025
>>53666774

>...any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to ist passengers.
> any restrictions that apply
> -1 to shoot heavy weapons doesn't apply to the BW
> so it doesn't apply to the passengers as well

Is what I get out of it.

>>53666774
Add it to the FAQ pile.

At this point this is going to be the biggest fucking FAQ GW has ever had to release.

Damn, all this rules arguments feels like what might go on in the Supreme Court during a very contentious case.

>>53667245
Except you don't even need a FAQ for it, it's the basic rules >>53667233

It'd be the shortest FAQ ever since you can just have it be

>Q: (insert question here)
>A: Read the rules and don't be an asshole

>>53667245
We needed a FAQ 17 days before release

Working on a 100 PL list

Captain with relic blade and master crafted boltgun, 5

Terminator librarian with force stave and combi plasma, 8

Tac squad with gravgun, grav cannon, combi-flamer 9

Tac squad with plasmagun, plasma cannon, combi-flamer 9

Intercessor squad 6

Assault squad with 2 flamers and an eviscerator + combat shield + meltabomb sergeant, 5
Razorback with assault cannons and storm bolter, 5

Vanguard with jump packs. Sgt with TH+ SS and meltabomb, 1 other with TH+SS, 1 with power axe + grav pistol, 2 others with power sword + grav pistols, 8

Contemptor dreadnought with multimelta, 8

Cataphractii with Combi bolter + sword + grenade harness sgt, 1 with combi-bolter + chainfist, 1 with heavy flamer + chainfist, 2 with double lightning claws, 13

Predator with TL lascannon, HB sponsons, storm bolter 9

Vindicator with storm bolter 8

Devastator squad, not sure what to give them yet. Maybe 4 lascannons, or 2 lascannons and 2 missiles, or something like that. 7

>>53667020
Golly, what a funny joke. Haven't seen that one since you shat all over the Age of Sigmar threads with it and nobody cared

Looking to run some damage calculations with various weapons and such, what are the best units to use as benchmarks? Right now I'm looking at:
Light Infantry: Guard
Medium Infantry: Tactical Marine
Heavy Infantry: Terminator
Light Vehicle: Land Speeder
Medium Vehicle: Rhino
Heavy Vehicle: Land Raider
Super-Heavy Vehicle: Baneblade

Does that sound about right? Are there better picks to represent these groups? Are there any large target-types I'm overlooking?

>>53667214
I am impressed by the amount of effort that went into this. I think the debate is stupid, but I applaud your contribution to the discussion.

>>53666644
I'll have 20 once my newest kit purchases arrive in the mail, and I kind of want MOAR

>>53667214
Shooting math for the lazy among you:

Standard Deployment:
813 lasgun shots
268.2 hits
44.5 wounds
14.6 unsaved wounds

Also I just noticed an error in my image, the maximum number of models if you put them essentially base to base (in orange) has a few too many, I must have misclicked a few times at the bottom right. Still, this is all within a margin of error, but for sake of my autism we'll just knock a few off the total.

Base to Base Deployment:
940 shots
310.2 hits
51.5 wounds
16.9 unsaved wounds

So 14-15 wounds a turn once you were in range if you were to literally flood the fucking battlefield with Conscripts and fire them all at one Knight.

>>53667286
I suppose a Knight instead of the Baneblade? Though for this calculation it's the difference between 2W or an invuln save.

>>53667294
More effort has been wasted on stupid shit than ever should have, so I guess why stop now.

How should I equip my tac squads?

>>53667233
On the other hand...

The -1 is still applied to the BW, it just ignores it.
Which in turn would mean the passengers do still suffer from it...

>>53666789
yeah all of them are good a multitracker and ats on a crisis commander coldstar means he'll never really need marker lights anyways. he essentially always has them.

>>53667286
Should probably throw a Walker/Heavy Walker/Super Heavy Walker in there due to their stupid high wounds but generally slightly lower toughness/save.

Might I reccomend:
Sentinel
Dreadnought
Morkanaut (or Imperial Equivalent)
Stompa (or Imperial Equivalent whenever the fuck that gets released)

>>53667331
By replacing them with Conscripts.

>>53667214
can't stop laughing.

thanks for the math guys.

>>53667214
SOVIET NATIONAL ANTHEM INTENSIFIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rAN-fIcco8

>>53666990
The plastic possessed have some winged backpacks that look super cool, use one of those.

>>53667337
Good call, will add those.

What's the most useful output of this? Average wounds per turn of shooting? Average models killed per turn/number of turns to kill a model? I figure I'll be doing fire calculations with max unit sizes.

>>53667214
/tg gets shit done

As in, this is something utter shit, but it got done anyway for the lulz

>>53667214
>with enough Conscripts you can kill a Knight in 2 turns

8th Edition confirmed for Best Edition.

>>53667331
Sorry I am of course meaning space marine tac squads

From what I've seen, Basilisks are the new IG rape machines. S:9, AP:-2, roll 2d6 and take the highest for number of shots, and D3 for wounds. You can also squadron them into threes into one slot.

A friend of mine has engineered an entire strike team of Farsight, a Riptide, and 3 Crisis suits just to take them out.

>>53667214
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>53667214
i love this board

What do you guys think is the best kit for a Deff Dread? stock big shootas seem ok for point pinching, but double scorchas might be the go to again. Double scorcha maths out to be more wounds than two more klaws right? Double mega-blasta with a mek to help repair might be stupid enough to accomplish something.

>>53667387
For alot less points you can take alot more Mortars.

>>53667336

A commander might be best off with moar gunz

>>53667418
>Double mega-blasta with a mek to help repair might be stupid enough to accomplish something.

BS2 means it overheats nearly as often as it hits.

>>53667434
That's what the mek would be for.

>>53667418
Weapons that don't hit are a waste of points.
Big Shootas are free, go for it.
Skorchas hit automatically, best choice.
Klaws hit well in combat, but no shooting, so go for it but not best choice.
Everything else is bad.
Mega Blastas overheat and kill your Dread, worst choice.

>>53667445
Better of with a Mek Gun battery doing their job properly and a Dredd doing it's job properly.

Stop muckin' about ya git.

So how do we feel about basic cultists for CSM?

>>53667466
That mek gun thing did occur to me after typing that, but I did acknowledge it was a dumb idea to begin with. Best let the Dread get stuck in a do its thing.

>>53667311
Also remember the Knight player has to be so retarded to make his Knight advance towards certain death while he should backpedal hard and use his range advantage

>>53666839
the coax stubber really adds to the model
i'm guessing it'll still get a reroll to hit with the fw index

Thinking about making a Luna Wolf primaris successor chapter. I dont know if these chills I am getting are heretical or loyalist, and I love it!

>>53667385
conscripts

How killy would 2x5 Grotzooka Kans be?

>>53667486
If you really want to use snazzy guns, stick em on the Bs 4+ platform at least.

>>53667486
a Dread with Skorchas will kill things on overwatch, kill things when it charges, and kill things in combat and maximizes the model's potential

Why do they keep using power levels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJaL-Akll1w

Do the first 2 stock Dread klaws cost 45 together or 60 together? Might be obvious but want to clarify.

>>53667506
>(((MWG)))

I think someone mathed out gun drones being the most efficient Tau unit
Really is the meta of cheap hordes
Drones are basically assault 4 18'' str 5
5+ to hit but can drop down an hq or two to buff accuracy
The roombas also have a 4+ save too

>>53667506
Because MWG is a garbage show by garbage people.

>>53667506
Because the points are fucking shit.

>>53667513
Does tg not like mwg?

What's the new IG meta now that Chimera Vets are basically useless?

>>53667509
first is 30 +15 from there

>>53666689
Standard Space Marines have been retconned to be just taller than average humans.

>>53662851
Ynnari is always the better option unless you're bringing all tanks. Aeldari is fucked in 8th ed.

>>53667489
well yeah obviously

however theoretically the conscripts can just advance every turn until the knight has nowhere to run

>>53667524
Giving my genestealer cults stuff I can't take otherwise. That's the meta.

>>53667506
Aren't power levels meant for people that are new or aren't really concerned with balance and just want to quickly throw a list together for a game?

>>53667245
>>53667267
The last FAQ was basically
>"This rule looks shitty and/or exploitable"
>"Fuck you that's what it says"

Do the Custodes that come in Burning of Prosperous have full options? Could I arm them all with Guardian Spears?

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>>53667519

Looks l like I can now make an undivided chaos deamons army with Belakor, Furies and Soilgrinders in either the spearhead or outrider detatchments.

>>53667541
yes

>>53667538
Yup. GW doesn't care about producing good rules.

>>53667517
They just treat all targets like Characters- Can only shoot the closest. Makes them good for shooting chaff, less great for target prioritization.

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I just bought this; I'm planning to get a Baal Predator next. What else should I pick up?

>>53667531
Like a baneblade

>>53666606
How are Predators this edition? Thinking of buying one on sale to mount quad lascannons on it for anti-tank fire support.

>>53667214
fucking hell thats a lot of conscripts though

>>53667521
No, they are the worst "professional" wargaming group.

Wannabe WAACfags, can't remember half the rules, can't do good battlefield shots, all the while hamming it up like a Big Bang Theory spinoff.

It's as if carnac and cheetafag did a show scripted by 1d4chan

So do you pick the deployment maps, or the roll-off winner just gets to roll for the map?

whats somewhere good to watch some battle reports?

>>53667551

Sweet. Thanks!

>>53667591
How are they WAACfags? They rarely bring WAAC lists. They used jetbikes with shuriken catapults ffs.

Anyone got the math on 8th ed Shuriken Cannon vs. Scatter Laser efficiency?

>>53667576
They look good on paper.

I just noticed that Tech-priest power axes are D2 now. Guess the cog designs really do add some functionality.
How many wounds do Commissars and Primaris lieutenants have? I feel like using my four Transuranic Arquebus Rangers to gun them down is a good bet, they'll almost certainly get one Commissar a turn if he's no invuln T3 5+ S4, but I'm m probably wrong with that. They're certainly up in the "best sniper" competition.

>>53667578
Yeah, its like 3000 points worth just doing the shooting.

>>53667591
>WAACfags

Dave literally brings the dumbest possible lists because he likes the models. Dude is borderline retarded, you can't call him a power gamer.

>>53667563
BAs start collection.

>>53667429
notice how i said coldstar. gets no more guns.

>>53667591
Some of the people they play against are kind of retarded. Last battle report I bothered to watch from them was Orks vs. AdMech and the Ork player bitched about how OP the AdMech were because their shooting was good. It wasn't even a WarConvo.

>>53667627

Commissars have 3 wounds whilst Primaris Lieutenants have 5.

>>53667506
because they're new, everyone knows what points are. people want to see what power levels looks like.

>>53667643
Do you know if I need a Sanguinary Priest?

>>53667591

What "professional" wargaming groups would you recommend?

>>53667598
Let's see...

>Table Top Tactics
are solid all-round stuff.

>The Legion Wargagming
has nice footage and nice modes but no dice rolls or other players are ever seen, t's just hims doing voice-overs, on the plus side he sounds like a very excitable sport commentator.

>Wartorn creative
have excellent production value but they literally stated when 8th leaked.

>StrikingScorpion88
I've heard well off, the few times I watched the games and armies are good, but all the relevant info is dumped as a massive fucking 10 minute powerpoint in the start of the video killing interest and momentum.

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4 imperial knights, fully kitted, is 2k pts. Is this a viable army, /tg/?

>>53667694
>not going for 3 renegades knights with Magnus

>>53666689
that's a big guy

How's Pedro Kantor looking in 8th?

>>53667703
Wait, what?

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>>53667703
>not going for 666 Conscripts

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Riddle me this guys:

how many times can we use the stratagem "Counter Attack" in one turn??

>>53667725
Holy fuck, that is AIDS.

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>>53667271
>power level
pic related

>>53667286
Do you want to count special cases? Because there are a shitload: FNP, invulnerable saves, Necron's Quantum shield my own mathammer sheet uses 48 targets, ranging from Grot to Knight

>>53667735
An
Interesting
Deployment
Scheme

>>53667732
One Stratagem pr phase IIRC

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Hi, the anon who wanted to convert the preheresy Thousand Sons into SM force with Rubrics as Damned Legionnaires from couple of threads back here.

What are your opinions on psychic powers in general and what are the big boogeymen of the meta?

I'm bit lost on what I should equip my damned legionnaires as and I want to know if I'm really hurting myself for playing as Blood angels and taking the librarian dread.

>>53667668
You do, SP is fucking great in 8e.

>>53667738
I'm going more for broad categories, at least to start, possibly adding more specifics at a later time. Right now I'm just trying to get a feel for generally how effective a particular unit/weapon is against a particular type of target. I'll likely move on to specific matchups from there.

>>53667548
You can make an undivided chaos army with any chaos model in any of the detachments.

>>53667752
Why not take Mephiston instead of the Librarian Dread?

>>53667694
You mean something like this maybe?

Knight 320
+chainsword 30
+battle cannon 100
+2x heavy stubber 2x8

Knight 320
+chainsword 30
+battle cannon 100
+2x heavy stubber 2x8

Knight 320
+gatling 95
+battle cannon 100
+2x heavy stubber 2x8

Knight 320
+gatling 95
+battle cannon 100
+2x heavy stubber 2x8

1994 pts

Not relly fully kitted though, they all miss carapce weapons and the chainsword ones would be better off with the battlecannon+gatling desu

>>53667668
Yes. They are a must for BA armies now.

>>53667271
So what's that in points, seeing as Power Levels can vary during conversion +/-30% and are entirely worthless.

>>53667725
Pretty sure you're not allowed to have negative command points.

>>53667752
Psychic powers are generally lackluster this edition, with the very notable exception in the Ynnari's ability to immediately soulburst

>>53666784
30 basic chaos marines. good base.

>>53667780
Citation?

Likely to be FAQ'd, but presently I know of no rule against such.

>>53667767
Because I don't want to take named characters for a "count as army."

>>53667780
As of present nothing in the rules says you can't.

>>53667748
>pr phase IIRC
so, reroll an advance dice
then reroll a psychic power dice
then reroll a wound roll
then reroll a charge run dice
then reroll a battleshock test for a grand total of 5 CP spent in one turn??

I am so confuse guys

>>53667524
Flamer vets in a flamer chimera can still be useful. Still, the day one IG army seems to be conscript blobs plus artillery vehicles.

>>53667790
Noise Marines are pretty damn sweet in 8e, can't go wrong with bringing the wubs

>>53667768
Ah, good point. I just wanted to see if my dream of a Gundam team would work out in 8e

>>53666896
don't plastic Dire Avengers exist?

Also

>Warp Spider not invited

>>53667781
Very much disagree. Powers like Warp Time and Da Jump are extrmely powerful. They're just supplemental to your army now. You don't build to win the game purely off the back of a bucket of warp charge dice anymore.

>>53666689
are they really confirmed to be bigger than standard SM?

>>53667833
Yes

>>53667781
>teleporting 30 boyz into charge range is lacklustre

Are heavy stubbers still the go-to pintle mounted weapon for guard now that stormbolters got buffed?

I haven't been able to check the points cost but I'm assuming that they both still cost the same.

>>53667817
Yes
and
>No Phoenix Lord, No dice

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>>53667841

>>53667841
SB cost 2 points, stubbers are 4 points. SB are just better in basically every situation unless you're trying a long range tank build

>>53667650
Then yeah, one Ranger squad with two Ignore Cover Arquebi stands a decent chance of killing one Commissar straight up, and can easily pick at bigger HQs and even vehicles. Hell, they do not totally unreasonable damage to Robute Guilliman, and it's only 214 points for four Ignore Cover Arquebi. I'll take that in exchange for somewhat shittier small arms every day, especially with 3+ armour in cover.
Admech has a good chunk of anti-horde, snipers followed by Dragoons and Vanguard are good at bullying blobs and Dragoon -1 To Hit them kinda fucks over Ork and Guard counterfire, since against Conscripts two Dragoons are 75% as durable as a Knight and three are considerably more so due to cutting damage by half, or a third against regular Guard dudes.

>>53667841
Storm bolter is 2 while heavy stubber is 4. Not only that, but it's rapid-fire instead of heavy, so is more accurate on the move.

For a more stationary or long range tank, the heavy stubber seems better. For anything more mobile or close range, storm bolter has the edge.

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>>53667856
Stormbolter is cheaper, fires more shots at 12", less at 24"
Stubber has longer range, but more expensive.

>>53667763
Fun fact, undivided CSM can hit Ld10

>>53667725
Are you not limited to 3 detatchments on 2000 pts?

>>53667891
if you're playing in a tournament or something yeah

otherwise who gives a fuck

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>>53667889
>he finks Ld10 is alot
das a good one umie

>>53667725

what a waste of money and time.

>>53667920
>not owning that many guardsmen
you are either a child or a peasant

Eldar needs the sex appeal upped. Same with SoB. For the plastics they should pre-paint the faces and give them 10/10 faces.

40k doesn't have enough cheesecake. This is a 100% honest post.

>>53667816
Are you planning on proxying with gundam?

>>53667928

or someone who likes interesting games.

>>53667955
>this game of plastic soldier men isn't interesting because they chose plastic soldier men in a way i don't like

ok

Are scatter lasers still mathematically superior to shuriken cannons?

>>53667982
Depends on target

>>53667951
Nah. I just like mechs.

>>53667597
Anyone? Does roll-off winner choose deployment map, or roll for deployment map?

>>53667934
Bait but
>be me. Into 40k for years. Loved SoB and minis like the old daemonettes.
>increasingly frustrated with the lack of decent gw female minis
>started collecting various female minis from all sorts of companies. Found KD collected a whole lot of them.
>itch eventually faded because i collected every sort of cheesecake mini available.
>no longer give a fuck even dislike some of the companies that make them(another story). Haven't given a stuff for years now
That being said wouldn't mind plastic sisters.

>>53667985
MEQ? TEQ? Light vehicles?

>>53667934
The 3e wyches were scantily clad, and this applied to both sexes. For some reason this embarrassed a lot of people, so that's why they're more covered up now. If you want sexy elves, you can just proxy with the AoS witch aelves, but it'll cost you literally double.

>>53667992
It's not even cheesecake

just good looking female faces

>>53667982
Generally worse since you'll often be -1 to hit and it lacks the rending ability. Plus it cost more.

>>53667992
I've never really got the appeal of female minis with huge fake tits and stuff like that , why were you a fan ? Honest question

>>53668011
Well thats sort of what i meant GW did horrid females faces and all for years.

>>53668020
Not if you deploy them like a pseudo-gunline.

Alright anons, here's a riddle for y'all

>Better than Knight in melee
>Deadlier than knight in range
>Tankier than a Knight
>And yet way more mobile than one
>Unlike a Knight, I can actually support my troops
>And yet I cost 100pts less than a Knight despite being capable of killing one on charge

Who am I?

>>53668022
>Huge fake tits

You better be talking in general and not shittalking about KD specifically, cause then we might have a problem.

I only have 40 Guard, should I try the Con Blob tomorrow at my LGS? Or is 50 needed?

I have 2 sets of HWs and a few Scions as well to support.

>>53668049
Magnus?

>>53668049
Conscripts.

>>53667478
Decent blob of scoring Troops, what else is there to say? They aren't Conscripts and they aren't Poxwalkers or Tzaangor either, but they'll do.

>>53668022
I like female figures its aethetically pleasing so I wanted female minis. Not all are fake tit bimbos, some of the sculptors are artistic geniuses and create sublime female forms. Particularly sculptors from Spain, france and italy.
Because they are miniatures they are really practical to have a collection instead of large scultptures.

>>53668049
See >>53668061

>>53668049
Marbo

>>53668049
Something that still dies to 320 points of Electro-priests, that's what. They're slow, but holy shit do they kill elites like nothing else and don't exactly bounce off hordes either. I guess they're what I use my 10 Hoplites for until Fires of Cyraxus.
Do we have a date on that yet?

>>53668077
>Do we have a date on that yet?
4 months after people stop asking.

>>53668077
Nope, not yet unfortunately. Before the end of the year I hope.

>>53668049
A faggot ?

Toying with the idea of beginning the new Edition with a pure Sisters of Silence Army. Now, are there any penalties when mixing Imperial troops? I was thinking about maybe giving some Marine vehicles (for example a Predator) a SoS treatment, painting it the same way as the SiSters units and maybe have a Sister look out of the hatch. Would be required to cover my weaknesses, seeing that Sisters have nothing to deal with heavy vehicles on their own. What would make for a fluffy leader choice?

>>53668049
conscripts

>>53668049
points equivalent of conscripts

>>53668049
Izza Naut' ya git.

>>53668074
Oh wow looks like Scatter Lasers are fucked. How about with the -1 hit modifier? Then with Doom for both weapons?

>>53667976

>spamming the same model
>interesting

okay

>>53668115
>cost 100pts less than a Knight
>points equivalent of conscripts

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Ultramarines are the greatest chapter ever, this is an undeniable fact.

are scions a good buy?
i had a collecting box on the way

i am a little sad that they now explicitly get dropped from the air, i used to imagine navy SEAL scions who emerge from a river covered in muck and with jet black armor

>>53668126
100 points less points equivalent of conscripts*

>>53666967
Except that's not the case at all, literally every Ork kit has suspenders and wrist straps to accommodate their armor.
It's only retarded kitbashers that glue armor pieces straight onto skin, trophies straight onto vehicles, rockets straight onto shootas ignoring magazines and ejection ports, etc.

>>53668134
It's fluff how they show up anyway. You can say they show up however you want.

>>53668134
They're your dudes, they can emerge on the board in any way you can reasonably justify.

>>53668074
Does that make shuricannons more or less equal to Deathspinners?

>>53668053
If you're fielding them as Conscripts, you'll need more than 40.

>>53668122
>>53668156
Disregard, mathed it wrong.

>>53668179
>http://www.heresy-online.net/combatcalculator/shooting.php
Yeah the site is 7th ed still isn't it?

>>53668134

Scions are one of the best fucking armies in 8th Edition. Drop anywhere on the board and murder the shit out of the opponent.

>>53668128
pffahah
nice try, Matt

>>53668188
Mainly I forgot that shuriken cannon got S6 lost ap5.. aaand it's "Bladestorm" got worse.

>>53668134
Yes. They'r great in 8th. I grabbed two SC boxes from a local store in case those are getting discontinued.

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>>53668249
And for guard

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>>53668205

Say that to my face, pleb

>>53668256
Eldar?

>>53668249
>>53668256
that is useful

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>>53667506
why the fuck is he not pickiong models up by the bases

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>53668249
So flamestorm cannon confirmed for best ranged weapon?

>>53668301
>picking up models by the base
what are you, retarded?

>>53668315
I don't think it factors in weapon ranges. Something with range 48'' is more likely to fire every single shooting phase than something with range 8''

>>53667337
>>53667286
dunno if it overlaps with walkers, but big monstery stuff like Carnifexes/Tervigons/Daemons/Knarlocs/Wraithlords/Talos

what are your guys thoughts on Poxwalkers?

they seem like objective holders on the tin but they're not gonna do shit with M 4'

>>53667494
Can they be armed with lightning claw(single) and a sword?

>follow this link
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>add a few more profiles
>???
>profit
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source is some rando on 3++, comment section of the Space Marine options' article

The rules for reserves arriving on a 3+ are for narrative play only, right?
For matched games, the only restriction is not keeping more than half your guys in reserve, but they can arrive during any round you want?

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Does it stack with other Raptors?

>>53668315
nope because cost of the weapon is not factored in, and neither is range
I'd rather get my Hurricane's 12 bolter shots

>>53668375
I believe it does! The wording of similar rules specifies "one or more units with this rule", so yes, it should stack

>>53668375
It does for sure
It refers to THIS unit, not A unit of raptor

>>53668373
It does appear to be that way, which I find at least a little puzzling.

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>>53667527

>>53668373
Correct. But after the third round any of them not on the battlefield count as destroyed. This is to prevent objective sniping.

>>53668373
>>53668393

For Matched Play you do not have to roll for reserves but any unit that is not on the table by the end of Round 3 is counted as destroyed.

How did Scions fare with the coming of 8th?
I'm split between them or GSC right now

>>53668410
Scions are excellent.

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What should I fill the last 50 points with?

>>53668375
>>53668386
>>53668389

so theoretically you could deep strike a bunch of 5 man squads of raptors around a particularly tough or particularly big unit, cause a single enemy casualty, and everyone would fall over from heart attacks?

>>53668416
tell me more anon, what makes them excellent?
are tauroxes worth taking?
what special weapon loadouts are da bes

God, making a Deathwatch kill team is pricy. Is it worthy in your opinion ? I want to add it to my army to get some vehicle/monster hunting capability.

Deathwatch Kill Team 400
Veteran x4
+ Frag cannon x2
+ Heavy thunder hammer x1
+ Storm shield x1
+ Plasma pistol x1
Sergeant x1
+ Storm Shield
+ Power fist
Terminator x1
+ Heavy flamer x17
+ Power fist w/ meltagun x1
Biker x1
+ Power axe x1
Vanguard Vet x1
+ Inferno pistol x1
+ Plasma pistol x1

And it's without counting the Watch Master for the To Hit reroll

>>53668424
more grots

>>53668440
I can't without another detachment.

Battalion is the most efficient for mass troops, but it has a tax of two HQs

>>53668428
You would have to deep strike and then make the 9" charge with multiple raptor units to stack the aura and really benefit, but yeah, it's doable.

So what stats did the big bugs wind up with?
So far I've worked out that Arquebi pop lesser characters, light (and Necron) vehicles pretty well, and Neutron Laser Onagers omnomnom everything that doesn't have Quantum Shielding or a flat 3++ or something. How'd the bugs take to them? I assume their stats don't degrade.

I haven't really found a better anti-tank weapon than the Neutron yet, other than shit like Volcano Cannon which are Superheavy weapons. Vanquisher is shit, Railgun has a little more individual punch but is only one shot, and at best can only equal Skitarii BS at 3+ reroll ones.

>>53668443
kustom force field?

>>53668428
That's more or less what I am planning on doing with my Raptor swarm

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>>53668434
>heavy flamer x17

>>53666816
I've found that the multi tracker makes crisis suits extremely independent of marker light support -- a third gun wouldn't be bad either. I would have to do the maths to figure out which is more viable

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>>53668362
Hu, link is a bit messier than I thought.
Here's an example of what you can get with almost no modification

>>53668453
I was thinking either that, or changing a few of the big meks into weirdboyz

>>53668476
can you interpret this for us

>>53667506
I watch only Matt's videos, the other guys are either retarded or boring.

>>53668459
>not taking 1000+1 power fists and being the real number 1 hero

>>53668448
Lascannons are still good and now reasonably cheap, also manticores are pretty good at wrecking vehicles, actually they are pretty good at wrecking pretty much anything

Does the BS cap at 6+?
Or is it possible to go to 7+ and thus be unable to hit a target?

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>>53667506

I have to agree with >>53667519 on some level here. Points is the real cancer of wargaming. Its more than often comprised of a of-balanced chart that everyone knows is imbalanced, but still refer to as the most important aspect of playing a "fair game".
You can bring all the cheese you want to a game, as long as you keep it below the agreed points cost, but woe and behold the player who brings a fluffy list but goes over 1-2 points! That's the cheater! That's the guy that wont hear the end of it!
Its absurd really, as everyone knows GW can't write balance for shit (at least not in earlier editions, Im still holding my breath for this one).

The beauty with the launch of AoS was that the truth was revealed. Because, no longer could the player who went full retard with OP netlists do so and win with a smirk on his face. Now all he had backing him up was his moral fiber, and no longer a points chart to point to claiming he played a fair game. No wonder AoS became a trainwreck! Because 90% of the powergamers couldn't adapt. They couldn't take the shame of actually fielding a list that would utterly curbstomp the opposition, without a points chart to blame.

So yea, as he said "Because the points are fucking shit.", Ill have to agree to this.

>>53668459
oops (that's the price btw)

>>53668505
>it's not cheating because it's fun

I hope you die miserably.

>>53667817
The warp spider has teleported behind the photographer. Duh.

>>53666637
>>My custom stompa doesn't come with a base.

No shit, sherlock.

>>53668505
worst post on /tg/

>>53667527
Space Marines have been 7ft for more than a decade

>>53668505
>have to respect simple limits
>i get yelled at because i can't respect said limits
>"everyone is a baddie, i can't have fun bohoo :,("

>>53668505
AoS was floundering before the GHB.

>>53667553
It's the same guys that have been at it for years, why would anyone expect a different result?

>>53668499
There doesn't appear to be a cap, so orkz can't shoot a ghostkeel.

>>53666734
>>53666805

Bit late but this guys full of shit.

With the new mixed kill team rules, you start with 5 vets and add any combination up to 5 of the other squad types. Any terminators mean the squads immune to morale, any vanguards mean the squad can shoot after falling back, any bikes mean you can assault after falling back and place teleport homers which if you have terminators in the squad can be emergency teleported to once per game.

and all this is on top of having a squad with free chainswords and bolters with special ammo and access to every gun under the sun and frag cannons (praise be unto them)

Deathwatch are amazingly broken bullshit right now and i love it

>>53668505
How many fucking points we talking about? My friends and I have a '10 more is okay' policy when we play because we're faggots who love outfitting our HQ's with fluffy stuff, but we dont expect others to adhere to it.

Let's get some Eldar math in here eh?

Could an army composed entirely of Ork Flyers be competitively viable?
They're my all time favorite models

>>53668641
Not really, orks are all about mobs and trukks now

>>53668641
>Vehicles
>8th edition

Le laughing git face.jpg

>>53668641
No
But I would love to see the reaction from your opponent when you set them up

> Hey, thats a pretty good paint job on that dakkajet
> Another one? Well it's a risky tactic but could work
> Holy shit!
> They just keep coming!
> He's a madman I tell you!
> I want off this ride!

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>>53668672
Well...

Does the roll-off winner get to choose the deployment map or does he just get to roll for it?

>>53668684
He then proceed to open his suitcase with a thousand brimstone horrors inside.

Do hit modifiers stack e.g. Flickerjump + Conceal?

Can a Heroic Intervention move get your character into close combat?

>>53668505
Agreed , all you need is a vague idea that forces are balanced to get going , if you get all worked up and competitive over a pick up game that's totally fine but play chess or something not 40k , it will never be balanced enough for that unless you play within a restrictive meta like tournaments .

>>53668249
A note for this, seems its based on rapid fire weapons being at half range or below (check Hurricane bolter vs assult bolter to see what i mean)

>>53668362
>>53668482
It shows a ratio of how much you paid over how many points you destroyed in a single round of shooting these weapons. The lower the better. (But that's not the only mode of this excel actually, if you just want to check the number of wounds you'll deal you can do it too). Note that the post cost of the model and the BS is factored in: a weapon being inefficient to use on a Marine doesn't mean it is inefficient to use on a tank a guardsman.
I'm not an expert so take this 'analysis' with a grain of salt, but there are a few interesting things to note in my opinion:
- frag missile is constantly equal or less efficient than the bolter for the cost of the missile launcher, while krak missile is always equal/less efficient than a lascannon. I guess missile launcher is only interesting if you don't know what you'll fight, and even then, you could have bought better guns.
- flamer is pretty impressive for the cost, the most efficient against T3 and boyz, and pretty efficient up to T7 (after that efficiency drops hard).
- heavy bolter seem okay but not great. Less efficient than flamers against most things though, but if range is a problem I guess HB is a better anti-horde. Interesting against T5 (Crisis), but worse at that job than grav, plasma or even melta.
- meltagun constantly more efficient than lascannon (barring range of course)
- multi-melta at 24"-12" range is less cost effective than lascannon against everything T3, T4 in worse save than 3+, or T8 (more efficient for the rest). And even at half-range, it is always less cost-effective than the melta. Since range is the only advantage over melta, I would say go melta or lascannon, as multi-melta is less efficient than the former at close range and worse than the latter at long range on T7 targets

>>53667801
6 total max if instead of rerolling charge you make it so you strike first in a non-charged fight

assuming 5 turns 30 CP is all you ever need, in 2k matches IG will be rocking 22 points at best

>>53668854
- grav is still very efficient against anything with a 3+ or better, it's just not a good anti-horde (and oddly, it's not great against the Trukk). Cannon being always more cost-efficient than the Gun, even in Rapid fire range.
- I forgot to tick plasmaguns in the pic but I checked and they seem to be a good all rounder again, the supercharged version being very efficient against everything higher than T4, but that's not factoring the risk of gets hot!
- again, for its cost, plascan is less constantly less efficient than plasgun.

Please correct me if you think I forgot something or said something wrong.

>>53668765
yes, only time they wont stack is if its multiples of the same rule, for example having 4 darkshrouds doesnt make you -4 to hit

Why the hell is Death from the Skies a separate ruleset? It explains what happens to fliers when they go off board.

>>53668505
> but woe and behold the player who brings a fluffy list but goes over 1-2 points! That's the cheater! That's the guy that wont hear the end of it!
false equivency, the WAAC fag who goes over by 1 point will ALSO be yelled at faggot.

>Its absurd really, as everyone knows GW can't write balance for shit
dosent mean you jsut stop trying. power is even LESS fair than points, for a varity of reasons, such as wargear variablity and lack of grnularity. there is NO reason not to jsut take the best wargear on everything if you are using power instead of point.

> Because, no longer could the player who went full retard with OP netlists do so and win with a smirk on his face.
yeah he could, he just had to run a diffrent type of net list based on wounds

the argument that less balence is somehow good for fluffy players i laughable and demonstrably untrue. Better balance and more granulrity of cost is better for all

>>53668795
it has been designed for that so yes of course

>>53668856
now, i can't find any where in the rules where it says every phase... i dunno, are you sure bud??

I fielded 2k guard (1 Brigade, 1 lord of war support) total w/ guilliman as my warlord. I had 15 cp total. I won the game (against Eldar armoured spearhead (brightlances are nasty!)) and I didn't even expend all my CP, so I hope your right m8, i hope it is 1 reroll per phase because I still cant find it in this fucking digital pirate shit book

>>53668878
Because everyone hated DftS in 7th.

>>53668882
>Better balance and more granulrity of cost is better for all
You're mostly right. Much like character building in pen and paper rpgs list building can be a real impediment to people who would otherwise enjoy the game. Power allows players like this to get a few games in without all the hassle. I've no doubt anyone playing more than 50 games in a lifetime will probably turn to point values though.

>>53668895
Page 215, the giant box that says Matched Play Mission rules, Strategic Discipline.

>>53668915
thnx m8

>>53668903
They're simple. Ignore the dogfight phase, but don't remove the off-board flyer rules.

>>53668895
Not RAW at least.

>>53668375

>Adds

Makes it sound like bolstered morale, just saying.

>>53668571
Well aint that...something.

>>53667649

Josh did bring a forgeworld knight vs orks...

>>53668856
>at best
Made a 3 Brigade army list yesterday. That's 30 cp (9+9+9+3). And that's before I discovered that Astropaths are great (and cheap) Elites slot holders at 15 points piece.

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>>53668924
>>53668895

see pic

>>53668940
yeah its possible, i was assuming that IG would take a LoW slot from supreme command detatchment for the banehammer

>>53668856
>>53668895
also, can't you also re-roll/use cp during your opponent's turn?

<opponent movement>
<opponent psychic> failed deny the witch roll
<opponent shooting> failed save/fnp
<opponent charge> failed overwatch shot
<opponent combat> stuff
<opponent morale> yup

>>53668966
yes because thats a new phase, so every turn you can spend at maximum 12 points

>>53668973
Plus any out of phase strats.

>>53668956
No, I meant Heroic Intervention. It only says the character can move 3" towards the nearest enemy, not that it can ignore the 1" away restriction.

>Kustom Force Field: If this model is equipped with a kustom force field, friendly <Ork> units that are entirely within 9" have a 5+ invulnerable save against ranged weapons.
><Ork> units
Did they mean "Ork units" or did they mean "<Clan> units"? "<Ork> units" doesn't actually mean anything.

>>53668993
That only applies in the movement phase.

>>53668993
It's a 3" movement for a character already within 3" of an enemy that must move them closer to the enemy. What do you think? Does it exist to move the character to 2" away?

>>53669010
All models in the Ork factio9n regardless of what Klan they are a part of

>>53669010
<Ork> means anything with the ork faction

>>53669019
Blame RAW, not me.

>>53669010
I hope they mean Ork Units.
It's one thing if bad moon boys don't listen to a goff boss or if a evil sunz painboy won't help out some deff skull boys, but if a KFF bubble won't shield every git inside of it, that's just silly.

i still have a single russ with me, completely vanilla battle cannon and 1 HB

is this thing worth fitting into any army? or will HWT be better?

>>53669035
RAW the 1 inch restriction only applies in the movement fase ya dingus

Can penalties add up to a 7+ to hit roll?

>>53669035
Everywhere the 1" restriction applies the rules explicitly state that they apply.

>>53669022
>>53669026
Why the brackets then? There are no brackets on Mob Rule or Waaagh! Energy, and both of those apply to all models with the Ork faction.

I know the actual answer is "because the indexes are rushed pieces of shit", I just don't want that to be the case

>>53668966
Currently yes, but the lead desinger said no on twitter, so expect an FAQ soon

>>53669080
link? that sounds pretty dumb

>>53669074
Maybe future proofing for stuff like squiggoths and other FW stuff? Also the indexes are rushed pieces of shit

>>53669080
The designer just said you can't re-roll you're opponents dice, not that you couldn't re-roll dice during their turn.

>>53669053
>Mad Dok Grotsnik can heal any ork he wants
>regular Painboys can't
THANKS GW

Besides, currently there's absolutely no reason to play as anything other than <My Speshul Snowflakes> except for Zagstruk and Snikrot, even if your models are painted as different clans

>>53669103
>>53669099
Oh yes sorry, i cant read, my mistake

>>53669063
>>53668928
surely it'll just be a 6+ then a 4+ after that

>>53669126
7+ armor is no armor, not 6+ then re-roll.

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Thoughts on this Thousand Sons list?

Plan is to deepstrike two terminators where needed.

Land raider with 5 man flamer squad and exalted sorcerer.

One squad of rubrics in a rhino and rest are with Ahriman on the board.

>>53668937
To be fair, nobody ever said the Castigator was exactly IMBA, it's got one gun on par with a Fire Raptor and a worse sword than the rest unless you do what he did and feed it packs of Boyz all game. I'd say it's the weakest Cerastus, although I still want one because my friend plays Renegades and I want to see what it would do to them.

>>53669140

take out the 5 man rubric squad and put in more tzaangors. you need bodies to hold objectives.